at least if I didnt actually change anything u can tell me why 
#assassination
gusty mirage
Don’t do that to yourself, use raidbots
frosty cedar
yea I didnt know how to make it finish envenom on 3 using raidbots
gusty mirage
Unless you’re updating a local simc install every day it’s rough
sour helm
whats gonna be the best rogue spec next patch?
sour helm
LOL
sour helm
thank you
vestal wren
subtlety needs 4p, so thats the big "if" for the spec
carmine dawn
slow marsh
I can't click that what does it say
subtle tundra
he played mfd
gusty mirage
subtle tundra
i think
spice spire
He was zooming then
subtle tundra
yea
spice spire
gusty mirage
Prolly just for the ST dam tbh
vestal wren
spice spire
Man missed outlaw so much, he did a DIY 90 APM run
gusty mirage
Yeah but then you smell cuz black powder is just you farting
subtle tundra
the time you gain on 3rd boss alone is immense from sub 😦
gusty mirage
Maybe he thought the cleave makes up for it? Idk
I feel like mfd could be stonks on 3rd boss tbh
Emphasis on could I guess lmao
subtle tundra
well its his only big key on assa so probably just memeing around, a 28 pf isnt anything to stress over for his team
slow marsh
maybe he thought that sin would get better usage out of red slime haste stuff
still weird tho
or it's a KA thing?
gusty mirage
Well onezy is full timing ww now ye?
Probably explains him not going necro
But still 
subtle tundra
he finished with 13.4k dps kinda big
hollow river
KA is better on sub
How is KA better on sub
slow marsh
in aoe
subtle tundra
in m+
hollow river
subtle tundra
funnel
hollow river
subtle tundra
he actually was playing deeper stratagem, not mfd
which, not gonna lie im 99% sure is better than vigor even if i've never played it
but i've also never played venthyr sin in big pf with KA while also having bis gear so i cant compare to him
also, he can do even more dps since he is not playing very well
hollow river
Who?
subtle tundra
jpc
hollow river
subtle tundra
he lets garrote fall off often for no reason
slow marsh
ye i mean it's his 3rd best spec so
hollow river
That must mean garrote does bad damage right? 
subtle tundra
not flaming or anything, he did really good dmg
slow marsh
na i get what you mean tho
subtle tundra
just wanna point that it can be even better
slow marsh
He's not a sin gamer
subtle tundra
he doesnt know the way
hollow river
He progged the entire raid as sin didn’t he
subtle tundra
well that was many months ago
hollow river
Ye ye
subtle tundra
and m+ is way different
slow marsh
Also progging raid doesn't mean too much imo. Lots of people progged sod as sub but aren't the greatest at it still
hollow river
He plays sin on farm every once n a while I think
slow marsh
he plays sin when he gets externals i think
hollow river
Also true bldes
About the sub thing
I wish I could have 1 reclear where like I can just go ham for the parse
subtle tundra
i miss the times where i could clear the raid in 2-3 months and then still parse 99s almost every boss
now im almost bis and my parses say im bad 😦
hollow river
subtle tundra
no way im washed up
hollow river
I’m like 5 259s from bis
spice spire
now im almost bis and my parses say im bad 😦
That’s because you are, sorry king. Externals = skill, if you got no external bitches, you’re done
hollow river
spice spire
subtle tundra
That’s because you are, sorry king. Externals = skill, if you got no external bi...
what if i am the external?
spice spire
what if i am the external?
subtle tundra
what i end up doing on some bosses is talk to a healer and tell him to spot heal me while i tank mechanics
grizzled jay
spice spire
“Wts healing parses”
grizzled jay
hi @vestal wren missed you
gusty mirage
now im almost bis and my parses say im bad 😦
I’ve seen your parses they’re not bad 
vestal wren
hi <@!194804407706189824> missed you
back to wow/rogue?
solid venture
Wtb all externals in game so I can improve my 98.1 avg 
gusty mirage
Wtb all externals in game so I can improve my 98.1 avg <:KEKW:687227645301227540...
How can a cat play wow without thumbs?
spice spire
He plays assassination
solid venture
The cat is programmed to do a perfect rotation 24/7 
vestal wren
*butt
exotic hare
people playin sin in high keys?
vestal wren
people playin sin in high keys?
yes, but only few do
carmine dawn
Like I could see sin on tyr TOP
grizzled jay
back to wow/rogue?
Maybe. We'll see.
carmine dawn
Seli prob plays sin
drifting cloud
he doesnt 😛
spice spire
Even seli has fallen
vestal wren
seli switched to sub because he knows those are the cool kids 
jokes aside, sub just works rly well with current dungeon design
drifting cloud
he plays both but he has moer rio on sub
vestal wren
did you paly sl at all tmb, will be a tough one to prepare for 9.2 if so
carmine dawn
Pre🍐
grizzled jay
did you paly sl at all tmb, will be a tough one to prepare for 9.2 if so
I did like 3 months of 9.0
tiny root
Hey all! Picking up rogue this tier and had a quick question. I was on raider.io and will and saw some of the highest timed keys rogues were using the mutilate leggo + Heimir. Is that being used because of tyrannical bosses or something else?
hollow river
Hey all! Picking up rogue this tier and had a quick question. I was on raider.io...
That’s their armory
tiny root
Just curious! Wanted to understand the reasoning
vestal wren
your biggest issues will probably be the sylvanas daggers if you want to start at a higher world rank, if you play more casual its not that big
hollow river
Can’t use raiderio for gear and talents or conduits etc
tiny root
Oh gotcha
hollow river
Whatever they logged off with is what shows up
tiny root
Ahhhh okay, thanks!
spice spire
And if they’re necrolord, it’s a slim difference in that vs dashing
grizzled jay
Necro Dashing let's go
hollow river
I think they were asking about m+ idk 
If necro Zoldycks is usually the go to leggo for m+
If Venthyr you can just use obedience for raid/m+
tiny root
Yah, I was looking at the m+ rankings. I like to see what peeps are using to check my gear
hollow river
Dashing atm is good with frost shards for raid
tiny root
When I saw the necro + muyi combo I was like "did I fuck ip"
hollow river
Yeah raiderio is just really unreliable for this I’m afraid 
tiny root
Lmao thanks!
tiny root
Thanks!
Oh yah, it says only 10 dudes used doomblade on this
Sweet! Thanks guys
I'm still working on getting good aoe damage in keys, which is what prompted my search haha
Mained fury for most of the patch and it's a bit different haha
hollow river
Yeah sin is a very busy spec in m+
As long as you try to follow the guides advice for rotation and priorities etc with practice it’ll come
tiny root
Thanks! Appreciate it
Did have a question for the aoe rotation - if there's 5+ adds do we just want to spam crimson tempest or just use it to reset the bleed
tiny root
Ah okay - I was kind of thinking about it as an aoe finisher
But it's really like an aoe bleed
hollow river
Mhmm
hollow river
Yeah
tiny root
Cool - thanks. So different from warrior but I'm enjoying it!!
hollow river
CT has some upfront damage iirc, but never really worth spamming
gusty mirage
yes, but only few do
Pretty sure even the confused one who shall not be named switched sub
brave gazelle
Correct me if Im wrong but my m+ rotation for 5 plus targets has been
Atleast 3-4 ruptures or garrottes on targets
Use crimson to refresh bleed only
Use envenom in-between refreshing dots/to reapply snd
hexed frost
Doomblade goes better with 3 potency marileth or 2 potency+gemstone heirmir?
gusty mirage
Correct me if Im wrong but my m+ rotation for 5 plus targets has been
Atleast 3...
Looks good, but put up ruptures on everything
In between maintaining CT and envenom for snd
devout remnant
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deft vault
have they announced any new consumable like pots/flask/healthpot
spice spire
No
echo geyser
ppl said hp pot
deft vault
so should be fine to buy like 200k worth of consumable rn for next tier then?
echo geyser
only heard it in discord, not read myself
echo geyser
if u have a juiced up mission table u kinda get enough
if u do missions daily twice
esp if multichars
fleet anchor
Pretty sure even the confused one who shall not be named switched sub
Man, what is next? People going crazy like me and acknowledging that Rogue is composed of 3 different specs that everyone should be able to use when in a situation that plays to their strengths?!
I may be going too far right now though. Sorry. 😄
vestal wren
It gets announced “new pot”
there are new health pots 😛
gusty mirage
Man, what is next? People going crazy like me and acknowledging that Rogue is co...
That person is known as the confused one because they were linked the preliminary 9.2 ptr sims and the response was “idk what I’m looking at”
fleet anchor
Haha
echo geyser
there are new health pots 😛
hopefully they wont be super expensive but i bet it will at start
echo geyser
fleet anchor
They also fan of knives in ST
Don’t look at my Guardian logs
nocturne geode
ram going ham today
gusty mirage
Don’t look at my Guardian logs
I only log check people I don’t respect, you’re safe Mr. Kojiyama
fleet anchor
lol
fleet anchor
I will say that I do have a nasty habit of just using FoK/Storm when out of range doing some mechanic and about to energy cap
Becuase I cba to remember where my PK bind is
gusty mirage
oxi is too cute to log check you just accept what he says
Don’t look at my sylv parses
They’re hideous
I go gabagool brain in p3 apparently
I should just switch to DH
fleet anchor
I’ve never actually simmed what the dps difference is for using FoK instead of PK for like 2 globals on a fight but I suspect I wouldn’t be too sad. lol
nocturne geode
i lose a bit in p2 and cant recover but im used to it holding cds for the big dude
arctic walrus
Don’t look at my Guardian logs
Look at mine instead
gusty mirage
I got an anejo breeze with your name on it if you don’t murder me today @arctic walrus
fleet anchor
Nowadays I’ll admit I don’t look at parses much at all. Between externals and the dagger bug it seems fairly pointless. 😛
gusty mirage
But I got my own
Damn, murder away then
gusty mirage
Nowadays I’ll admit I don’t look at parses much at all. Between externals and th...
Beating sim dps and getting an 89 parse is great
deft vault
dreamweaver triple potency for nf 9.2 right?
gusty mirage
Looking that way ye
fleet anchor
Beating sim dps and getting an 89 parse is great
I sure do love seeing these random wowhead posts on like every article 😄
We love externals so much
gusty mirage
I adore them
Got a 98 on a scuffed remnant pull where I’m pretty sure I messed up the entire opener thanks to KA
Earned that 98 baby
Wasn’t totally the fact that I got juiced for the majority of the fight
fleet anchor
lol
I haven't had a single external cast on me for two tiers, I've accepted my fate
If I get WFT on half the fights I'm lucky 😄
gusty mirage
If it makes you feel better, no amount of showering makes you feel clean after
polar cape
I haven't had a single external cast on me for two tiers, I've accepted my fate
Feel that
My priest PIed tank to spite dps
fleet anchor
in CN I was still able to put up a decent all-star since Assassination wasn't really a PRIME external target at the time
gusty mirage
My priest PIed tank to spite dps
I love your priest
fleet anchor
So it wasn't quite as degen as right now
Was happy with my R72 or whatever as an unbuffed Necro in CN
This tier though, it feels like a lost cause
gusty mirage
It is
Cev linked me non-external nine logs
I’d have the 7th highest parse for the nine if it wasn’t for externals
fleet anchor
lol
gusty mirage
fleet anchor
And what, that's page 2 or 3? 😛
timid cloud
Lemme see dat.
gusty mirage
And what, that's page 2 or 3? 😛
I think I’m hanging onto page 1 barely 
timid cloud
I got like an R45 all natty on that fight.
timid cloud
polar cape
Best one is people putting wlc screen of all class percentile and sayinh rogue opeee all tree spex top 5
fleet anchor
The unfortunate thing is the logs that are actually good.. like the great pull 98s or sometimes 99s rarely
Would have really been the type of logs in the past that were like "this was really R1 potential type of pull"
gusty mirage
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slow marsh
I mean tbh all the external stuff makes me not even care. That on top of private logs 
timid cloud
Yeah.
fleet anchor
yeah it's a shame, since I do love parsing for the challenge
slow marsh
same
fleet anchor
But stuck in the stand-off between WCL and Blizzard.. just gotta do your best to pump 😛
timid cloud
There’s no real fun in it though if I’m not getting externals.
slow marsh
I enjoy having some kind of marker as to how well i'm doing
gusty mirage
Yeah it kinda just killed farming raid
timid cloud
Yeah. Shit is just giga skewed.
fleet anchor
Be top damage on the kill and get a blue parse. It's the way of things these days. 🤣
polar cape
Poison bomb broke me parse dopamine cant reach me no more
slow marsh
yessir
fleet anchor
It also has had some funny effects of compressing certain DPS ranges in a non-normal distribution due to the skew
timid cloud
fleet anchor
The difference between like 200 DPS now is sometimes a ridiculous amount of percentiles
even if that's effectively just minor RNG
slow marsh
At the end of the day tho
I'm more happy about flexing performance on prog stuff over farm anyways
So i'm happy for 9.2 to get rid of shards and get back to prog
fleet anchor
I mean yeah it's really not a major factor from a Mythic raider perspective, it just takes the fun out of farm for me
gusty mirage
Until your prog parses in 9.2 go down to your loot luck on tier pieces
slow marsh
It does take the fun out of it for sure
gusty mirage
fleet anchor
Especially since I've gotten like 1 item upgrade in 3 months
slow marsh
Well yeah there's always loot rng and tier will be big
fleet anchor
So it's certainly not gear making farm fun 😄
nocturne geode
externals for logs is doggo change my mind
timid cloud
Wouldn’t want to.
timid cloud
True!
fleet anchor
We're gonna finish out the tier with less than half of the eligible Agi specs getting a Guardian trinket 🤣
Good times
Personal loot is awesome
timid cloud
Anyone else max out R5 unholy then the Discord flops back & forth between what is good?
gusty mirage
We're gonna finish out the tier with less than half of the eligible Agi specs ge...
We have the same issue with veinrippers
timid cloud
Lol good times.
gusty mirage
Guild’s seen 2 drop and one of them dropped for me during trial
I gave it to the enhancement shaman
nocturne geode
im convinced its either a bugged drop or they purposely made it harder to drop
fleet anchor
One I got and greeded for myself to dick around with Outlaw since there's only like a few weeks left in the tier 😛
nocturne geode
which is giga fukd up
slow marsh
We haven't gotten veinrippers in like 3 weeks so we've started skipping it
gusty mirage
Me and the other rogue are running outlaw spec to try to get our DH and enh a 2nd
fleet anchor
If it had been earlier I would have given it away
nocturne geode
atleast you can target CM
fleet anchor
It’s fine, you’ll be using Countermeasure here soon anyways.
It's the principle!
gusty mirage
I hope to god the raid trinkets are good
timid cloud
Hey, at least it’s not the KT Trinket though.
fleet anchor
And the lack of any real rewards from raid because the loot gets all giga fucked lol
spice spire
I hope to god the raid trinkets are good
Same
gusty mirage
I can’t run vault 60 times again
slow marsh
They seem pretty good
gusty mirage
My mental health can’t handle it
timid cloud
I mean out of raid, let’s be real. There’s Only 2 good trinkets.
slow marsh
The jailer one looks nutty
fleet anchor
We've also only seen 1 KT leather pants drop in raid despite having 10-12 leather specs in KT comp every week
🤔
timid cloud
Titanic & Salvaged.
nocturne geode
gib reroll tokens back
fleet anchor
And we're still on 0 raid drops of Sylv dagger. Both of mine are from GV.
nocturne geode
like i said i havent even seen a heroic one great vault or kill either
slow marsh
I like GV over rerolls but GV should give some kind of bad luck protection after a certain amount of time imo
nocturne geode
been weeks
i think ive only ever had sylv loot from vault 1 time
always the first half
fleet anchor
Combined across the entire tier we've seen: 3 Fusion Amplifiers, 3 Veinrippers, 0 Daggers, 1 KT pants... and we run like 8-12 people eligible for all of those on comp every week, other than the Sylv dagger which we have 2 Rogues
Which is just all very frustrating to see
But it's ok, we've got 59 Guardian cloaks and 89 Sylv rings. 😄
slow marsh
Yeah I just got my first dagger across any difficulty a couple weeks ago. I thought it was just a joke when I used to say i'd get mythic EoN before heroic but here we are
fleet anchor
Get to see the Guardian caster weapon get sharded every other week because it's dropped so many times
slow marsh
Should be able to combine three loots to get one random loots
fleet anchor
Removal of bonus rolls was just really not very smart imo
It was one of the few things keeping personal loot from feeling absolutely awful
drifting cloud
But it's ok, we've got 59 Guardian cloaks and 89 Sylv rings. 😄
89? did you just type that randomly or you keeping track 😛
slow marsh
yeah
fleet anchor
89? did you just type that randomly or you keeping track 😛
I may be slightly embellishing that number for impact. 🤣
But it's been enough that we have been DEing them for a very long time haha
nocturne geode
It was one of the few things keeping personal loot from feeling absolutely awful
i would have agreed with the bonus roll removal if they would have left the amount of loot in raid alone
drifting cloud
had a feeling
fleet anchor
I mean, statistically since it's on everyone's loot table
20%+ of all Sylv loot should be rings 😛
nocturne geode
im telling you bro they have the drop rates lowered
drifting cloud
1.5 ring average per kill or something
nocturne geode
no way thats not true at this point
fleet anchor
1.5 ring average per kill or something
Yeah that sounds about right
clever kindle
Im pretty sure there are times in the past Ive gone entire tiers without upgrades in certain slots regardless of personal loot or not, at least that doesnt happen anymore with the box
that was the worst shit
pre m+ days
fleet anchor
I mean depends on your GV. Mine is fucked and makes me conjure up conspiracy theories.
nocturne geode
heres this weps thats the best in the game with the lowest drop chance and ohh yeah were rudicing lot and taking bonus rolls away
good luck
and heres your vault lottery to make you feel better but its rigged too
clever kindle
ill just take my normal daggers
fleet anchor
I've been tracking mine this tier and the number of bracers I've seen in raid GV slots defies any sort of mathematical odds. Either that or I've wasted my lottery luck on bracers instead of Powerball millions. 🤣
drifting cloud
the 9 ring is my best friend from vault
2nd highest might actually be sylvn chest
nocturne geode
ive seen the lego hunter bow more than a non leggo item
gusty mirage
Mine is tarra neck and boots from the nine
It’s usually the third box that gets me loot I want
But now I get nothing from raid
nocturne geode
gusty mirage
Only upgrade left is a 252 phial
fleet anchor
There's only 2 bracers in the entire loot table and I've gotten one of them in 8 out of 10 weeks. Most of those with only 2 GV rolls. So it's like 8 out of 22 or something.
gusty mirage
Let’s be real if you unlocked that third box it would’ve been the haste mastery ring
nocturne geode
its rigged bro tinfoil hat time join the club we have jackets
gusty mirage
You can safely say 8 out of 30
fleet anchor
I mean I'm usually on the "random is random"
But then again, I was also targeted by every tendie on N'zoth because of my GUID
So my faith in Blizzard RNG is shattered 🤣
nocturne geode
😄
drifting cloud
35 items, small sample size, human brain remembering patterns where they dont exist
stuff goes wild
fleet anchor
35 items, small sample size, human brain remembering patterns where they dont ex...
It is true, although realistically the mathematical odds on this are pretty slim. It's a successful 6% roll in 8 out of like 22 GV rolls. That's some luck.
drifting cloud
well keep in mind you didnt have a decent chunk of the loot table unlocked in those vault
fleet anchor
This is just the last 22
drifting cloud
or maybe you had 1-2 hc slots at the start of tier
drifting cloud
oh rolls, not 22 full vaults
fleet anchor
22 slots total, since most of my weeks were only like 8 kills
I'm going to keep track of everything next tier 😛
nocturne geode
do it give us the facts
so we can disturb the forums to get bonus rolls back
smile
fleet anchor
Bonus rolls were definitely something that just felt way better
Since it let you target specific bosses for high priority items
I mean obviously I'd bonus roll Guardian every week
drifting cloud
until you had 8+ rolls without an item
then youd roll on random bosses to try to get the number up
nocturne geode
till you have 22 slots and no dagger
drifting cloud
and youd just get an item and reset it
fleet anchor
Took me a while to get Carapace daggers even bonus rolling every week
Without them I would have just never gotten it ever 😛
drifting cloud
we had a buyer for cara daggers for quite a few kills
always 2 rogues, dagger never dropped
polar cape
The clapper drop rate was some next level shit sometime
nocturne geode
i feel that
dawn ivy
Took me a while to get Carapace daggers even bonus rolling every week
you would dare to remind me bonus rolls arent a thing anymore?
dawn ivy
its not the numbers or even statistics
the feeling of using one
and getting it
insta nut
drifting cloud
start of tier vault just gives you so much more loot for your raid
but yeah coining stuff was alright
when was the mythic box from table removed
in legion?
that was what 1 extra item every 2 weeks but alot of stuff wasnt inside
dawn ivy
i dont even remember it in legion
fleet anchor
start of tier vault just gives you so much more loot for your raid
I mean GV is just another chance at raid personal loot. It has all the same problems.
drifting cloud
wasnt it still there in antorus
fleet anchor
Bonus Rolls solve a problem GV and raid loot does not solve, which is targeting
nocturne geode
^
dawn ivy
true maybe thats what the great vault is missing
maybe give us bonus rolls we can use on a certain boss so when reset occurs you guarnetee an item off that boss
but thatd be pretty op, i kid
drifting cloud
well I just dont think they were that much insane impact
maybe back when we had 3 per week
dawn ivy
nah they werent
but the targetting issue it solved is a really good point
even if you didnt get the item, it felt good to be able to essentially kill a prio boss twice
drifting cloud
yeah I guess the odds of getting an item from the roll were around the same as looting an item
fleet anchor
I mean bonus rolls effectively doubled (or actually slightly more than doubled, last I checked about bonus roll success%) your chance of getting a specific item per week
I'd say that's significant
dawn ivy
would it really be that problematic if they gave ONE bonus roll a week
drifting cloud
is that more than having a 1/35 chance 3 times over in vault tho
dawn ivy
i think that wouldnt cause too much of an issue, gives you ONE boss a week to target
fleet anchor
Like realistically if we had bonus rolls probably every one of our agi specs would have a Guardian trinket by now
dawn ivy
maybe its a thing you unlock after you kill final boss
drifting cloud
I think overall the bigger problem is just rogues being the only class that can loot daggers
dawn ivy
^^^^^
clever kindle
yes
fleet anchor
GV would maybe be fine if it had some sort of tracking mechanism built in that lessened or prevented getting copious amounts of duplicate items
clever kindle
Since it cant even be traded to us so its double shit
same with DH and glaives to be fair
nocturne geode
yea but they have other weps to use
nocturne geode
^
drifting cloud
but yeah koji you not getting guardian trinkets is just wild low % chance
clever kindle
Trying to think of what weapons even exist in this raid ive been playing sin so long
lmao
nocturne geode
were just daggers unless you play outlaw
clever kindle
veinripper is real
drifting cloud
becase we did the same with tank/healer trinkets and think we managed to get all/most that were needed
nocturne geode
so our wep chances are trash
drifting cloud
and that dps trinket should in theory be atleast 2x as easier to do
fleet anchor
I mean as much as I enjoy the fact that I've gotten 8-10 bracers from GV this tier or 6 Daschla's Defiant Treads, there are a great many items that have never shown up in my GV and getting the same trash every week kinda feels bad. I mean, when I have 3 items I still need from raid but I've gotten the currency from the GV in over 2/3rds of my weeks, I'm not sure how effective it's really been. Bonus rolls likely would have performed better for me in terms of filling those slots.
clever kindle
outlaw main for life im just too lazy to keep swapping conduits when I want to change right now so I just stay in sin until we kill sylv
I got bracers 7 weeks in a row during legion 
cerulean junco
Even ram just got 259 legs just like a week or 2 ago lmao
clever kindle
maybe my read on the language used was wrong however it seems like they are going to be making some loot changes right?
nocturne geode
yea plus if you playing sub and you dont have daggers next tier at you hurting yourself right?
clever kindle
With the interview Ion had
clever kindle
I mean its not like there isnt other daggers EON isnt that big of a deal
nocturne geode
not very many guilds
clever kindle
your dps isnt going to drop off a cliff(as sin) without EON
Sub that may very well be true I dont know enough to comment
nocturne geode
i mean that true but playing nf will make the dagger a lil cooler in the oh
w the TO leggo right?
bc we get lil windows of shadowblades
clever kindle
Im not sure, does sin have a chance to get AR or Shadowblades? I think you do so it could be one or the other
clever kindle
I thought it was one or the other not both, and for 8s
nocturne geode
both
im going senile fuck
nocturne geode
so while it might no hurt alot
in the end
it will hurt a bit early
atleast thats my thought on it
but for sub i think itll def feel awk
clever kindle
hopefully they give the loot another pass
nocturne geode
yea or something
vestal wren
Bonus Rolls solve a problem GV and raid loot does not solve, which is targeting
i am all for bringing bonus rolls back
nocturne geode
you can target loot everywhere in some form except raid
limber lion
I mean as much as I enjoy the fact that I've gotten 8-10 bracers from GV this ti...
I have gotten the same Tarragrue wrists and neck from the vault 5 weeks in a row now.
Both items, every week, for 5 weeks straight
Something's up with the vault and I'm not sure what
nocturne geode
^
limber lion
You often see the same items over and over
nocturne geode
i think its bugged or been bugged
limber lion
Raz had 4 daggers b2b
nocturne geode
that my thought from earlier @limber lion
limber lion
Whispyr had his 3rd dagger b2b2b last week
I'm here grinding mastery necks and the same wrists I've used for 6 months now
spice spire
Tertiaries 
nocturne geode
im p sure 90% of my vaults is from the first 4 bosses
alpine latch
For Mythic, I can only get Vault items from bosses I've killed, is that correct?
vestal wren
you need to kill the boss once to unlock it in the vault
alpine latch
okay, so I can only get items from the first 4 then. Not awful...
vestal wren
if you killed the boss before its on the loot table even if you did not kill it that week
subtle kiln
I'm here grinding mastery necks and the same wrists I've used for 6 months now
maybe buy a boost?
vestal wren
e.g. if you killed sylvanas mythic once and only kill the first 3 every week after you can still get the dagger in the chest
alpine latch
I couldn't remember if they changed that or not. I remember people being salty back in Nathria that people made characters and only killed Sludgefist/SLG/Sire with them on Mythic to have a higher chance of getting those items
vestal wren
people did spread a lot of wrong information about how it works
limber lion
maybe buy a boost?
wut
subtle kiln
get all the gear you need from my gearing guild. 😂
limber lion
I've done 9+ bosses for a long time. Already done 5 clears with Colour, haven't seen a single dagger yet, even with 3 rogues in every time.
subtle kiln
you’re just going to have cursed yourself by saying you’d take the 252 phial over the daggie
limber lion
Got my first upgrade in 5 months last week when I got the KT shoulders traded to me
subtle kiln
the banshee queen doesn’t appreciate that.
subtle kiln
that cost extra
fleet anchor
I've done 9+ bosses for a long time. Already done 5 clears with Colour, haven't ...
Just go with Whispyr, I hear he's on his 8th dagger or something
limber lion
I thought you quit
Just came back recently, had to stop hardcore raiding though. Chilling with the boys, raiding once a week on farm. feels good
limber lion
Just go with Whispyr, I hear he's on his 8th dagger or something
yuk
upbeat needle
Just came back recently, had to stop hardcore raiding though. Chilling with the ...
Welcome back fam. What's your plans for 9.2?
The chill raiding is a much better environment than being in prog for sure.
limber lion
Welcome back fam. What's your plans for 9.2?
Raiding with the Colour boys. Don't need to maintain any alts, which is a huge blessing.
Having to maintain 2 rogues and 2 different alts on top was a bit of a pain
Not for me
Takes a strong will to do that
And a lot of time
I ain't got either
subtle kiln
have you tried getting the dagger on the second rogue?
upbeat needle
Not really a fan of maintaining alts at all if rogue is in a good spot.
Too much work
Can understand though since you were in Method, at that level everyone pretty much needs to.
limber lion
Yeah, it's pretty much a requirement. Props to anyone who can pull it off, it's not easy
clever kindle
some players do some dont, some one trick certain classes, Liquid has people like that too
its good to have reserves of people who are really good at a specific class for when they need it
limber lion
That's not really the case
You don't play alts because you need to have classes that are good and viable
grizzled jay
Thd only plays Warlock but still maintains like 6 alts
limber lion
You need alts because you need to funnel gear
It's not about playing multiple specs or classes
drifting cloud
yeah but lock is a hero class hes pretty safe with his spot
clever kindle
That's just exactly what Max said, and of course you need to funnel gear but not every player is Sang
limber lion
It's about having multiple characters so you can trade loot and do several runs
clever kindle
Oh yeah I get what you mean on that level
limber lion
You cannot name a single player
drifting cloud
and liquid has 30 raiders its not like theyre doing this with 23 people
limber lion
that only has one character
I can 100% assure you that
It's simply not allowed or a thing in higher guilds
It does not work
fleet anchor
People who have an opportunity to do the WF thing is always a unique experience, but it's a pretty huge shift in time investment and mentality.
We were really cheering for Shakib was he went from our guild to Limit and I'm glad it still seems to be working out for him. But it's tough for sure.
limber lion
It's sandbagging your entire guild and progression
oak sky
Its not like you need full korthia on 4 guys though
clever kindle
Dont know what you want me to tell you other then Max said they do have players like that, and they do get brought in on progression if they're needed
Let me see if I can find the people I was talking about
echo geyser
no split characters?
clever kindle
I should say main one character
limber lion
Probably misunderstood then
echo geyser
must get lucky with weekly box and shit then
clever kindle
would not do prog on another class etc
echo geyser
well 1 tricking class
echo geyser
and having 3 rogues
limber lion
and everyone has multiple of the same class
echo geyser
or w/e class
echo geyser
what is that
drifting cloud
whichever char gets rng loot in hc week is your main
vestal wren
you basically have multiple chars of your main class to switch to the most lucky one
iirc limit max did say they use between 5-8 chars
but a minimum requirement of something like 3?
fleet anchor
I mean considering various people already made multiples for Covenants back in CN and stuff it seems not too big of a deal to use them that way now that Covenants are a non-factor.
drifting cloud
but again this doesnt really apply as much as you think it does, liquid has 30 raiders, that means 10 of them are always benched
even when they swap setups, theyre not swapping anywhere near 10 people
so some people are just benched whole tier
or then it goes the other way around when someone who was benched most of the tier is now a really good spec on last boss
so on 2nd week they try to funnel him during reclear
echo geyser
how are shards set power compared to tier atm 
nocturne geode
idk how comparable that is considering dom acquisition was trash
echo geyser
i guess theres not any real ramping at least
when u get either 2p or 4p u just set for life
clever kindle
alright turns out just searching a list of the players in the guild was not the play ill see if I can find the vod later when im off work
subtle kiln
how are shards set power compared to tier atm <:monkahmm:585734084571955211>
we can ask perfecto after RWF is over
echo geyser
💀
subtle kiln
solid mica
does dashing scoundrel crit chance only work on your target or just apply it to all your bleeds?
limber lion
does dashing scoundrel crit chance only work on your target or just apply it to ...
All your bleeds?
But yes, during the Envenom buff, all of your poisons will crit more often.
and refund energy
leaden burrow
I'm prepping for 9.2 i've seen on wowhead there is a article for double leggo's, is this accurate and if so what slots should i fill them in on? 😄
drifting cloud
we dont know slots
leaden burrow
Sheeeeeeeeeeesh
drifting cloud
well there isnt alot of options but minmaxers will probably recraft more than 1
drifting cloud
but yeah the article is correct
solid mica
All your *bleeds*?
yeah just meant like in an aoe situation will they all benefit from crit
or just the target you envenom
sudden hound
envenom is a buff on your character not a debuff on the mob
limber lion
yeah just meant like in an aoe situation will they all benefit from crit
It does not affect your bleeds...
It affects your poisons...
solid mica
yeah, but I mean will it effect the poisons in aoe or just on the target
limber lion
And that has been answered twice already
solid mica
ah okay, thanks
strange python
a version of wordle in my language had SEPSIS as the word for today (its called SEPSA) .. the first ever word i didn't manage to guess correctly since it went online 37 days ago
NF is everywhere...
empty crescent
Does sub just sim higher than assassination? My sub sims for 11.9k and sin is 11.2k and im not really sure what is wrong
glass tulip
yes, it normally does
empty crescent
I was just assumign its cause of theotar, but im unsure if thats a 700 dps difference
glass tulip
your assass talents are very strange though
empty crescent
EP + vigor with dashing, no?
oak sky
And you have a crit vers 2nd ring for some reason
empty crescent
And you have a crit vers 2nd ring for some reason
no other rings
oak sky
Not sure if you have a crit haste or even a haste crit one
O
Bloodoath or arachnid cipher will be better if you can find one before 9.2
Probably don't care enough though yeah?
empty crescent
yeah not really, just wanted to try sin
using MA gave me 100 dps
so its 11.3k now, seems better, but still a lot lower than sub
glass tulip
also since you have double sylv daggers it will inflate your sub sim much more than assass
empty crescent
also since you have double sylv daggers it will inflate your sub sim much more t...
why does it do that?
oak sky
Deeper daggers and better combo point generation and if you play kyrian its stronger as well
empty crescent
ahh i see
well alright I appreciate the info guys and i cant believe i glossed over subterfuge with MA 
not even sure why i had that talent in
strange python
stupid question - but, what do you guys use for poisons? crip and instant?
oak sky
deadly and numbing in raid deadly and crip in m+ usually
not even bs/ds
bs/ds is another 100
and if you sim only crit tea it goes up more
glass tulip
bs/ds is another 100
I will try it again when I go home, but I simmed two days ago and BSDS was actually lower for me
glass tulip
Yeah idk I was confused too
oak sky
2nd dagger+ kt neck
oak sky
yeah those too
glass tulip
Those are the only three items that I'm missing
oak sky
and tarragrue bracers sim highest but i doubt its significant compared to the m+ ones
glass tulip
I have the terrorists in my bags but I like the speed on the ones that I have
oak sky
yeah i would say thats worth
oak sky
yea there it is
dawn ivy
safe frigate
I heard a rumor that rogue players were the cutest people irl. Is this true?
dawn ivy
nah we're extremely cringe
safe frigate
Oh no...
marble hemlock
@gusty mirage is super cute
safe frigate
But that can't be true. I have peeped Whispyr's stream and he is the cutest.
safe frigate
<@192059095279337473> is super cute
That is awesome to hear another cutie amongst the rogues! Perhaps the rumor is true.
marble hemlock
Whispyr is indeed very cute
sonic briar
fax
safe frigate
I am sure the rest of you are also huge cuties! If it true for 2 it must be true for all.
c:
slow marsh
📠
rancid spade
anyone has a weak aura for winds of winter?
oak sky
dont really need one but i bet theres one on wago
viscid spear
<@192059095279337473> is super cute
oxi is not indictive of the common Rogue though
bleak sky
all my io as sin
join key
"CAN YOU NECRO OUTLAW"
oak sky
say yes
viscid spear
Can =/= Will
I mean, I COULD play Necro.
I also COULD slam my face into a wall.
I do like Necro Shadow tho
viscid spear
"No, I'm Kyrian"
you have been removed from the group
hollow river
the rings are unique equip i think
oak sky
not double ring anyway
hollow river
and we won't run dusk until we have our 4p bonus from the new raid
fathom flax
See I said this last night and got shut down by the homies
Saying double ring lego would be bis
But idk
Talking about like, tier goals not early stuff
hollow river
don't think we'll even be able to do that
but a main slot > ring slot
more ilvl = more agi etc
oak sky
our unity leggo will probably go into the worst tier slot
like the one with the worst stats
fathom flax
our unity leggo will *probably* go into the worst tier slot
I said this
tier hands with mastery Vers hehe
(That’s not real)
spice spire
I mean, I COULD play Necro.
I also COULD slam my face into a wall.
This is going on your quarterly review 
glass tulip
at the risk of sounding like a noob there is no BiS gear for m+, right?
just kinda rip it?
glass tulip
I dont have the motivation to sim dslice rn
so I was gonna piggyback off of my friends
bleak sky
my gear is correct on rio if you wanna peep
oak sky
yeah you can adjust your gear for more aoe or st or survivability after the dslice sim
glass tulip
damn
ritual commander's ring is literally the only ring I dont have
everything else is maxed
glass tulip
slow marsh
I'm sure you'll be fine
glass tulip
my tank wiped us on muehzala for the time again
he stepped out of melee and boss 1 shot all of us
marble hemlock
oxi is not indictive of the common Rogue though
True but he is what every budding rogue should aspire to be like
toxic quail
we just sent a 25 ToP and barely got it with 20 seconds
i hit 2700 so im happy with the keys for the week
oak sky
i shouldve done keys this week
fallow otter
wheat whale
Is there any reason why we take Subterfuge in those 9.2 sims? The Sepsis Stealth Usage thingy doesnt seem to work with the improved garrote from subterfuge
whole mason
tier set
mint seal
hey there, what is the general consent here about assa in 9.2 for m+ and raid? i guess its still in the same position as right now, but does it flow and feel good?
hexed frost
hey there, what is the general consent here about assa in 9.2 for m+ and raid? i...
M+ feels good. Vendetta for each pack with duskwalker so no longer holding CDs. Shiv AoE debuff is cool.
wheat whale
Can anyone explain me how the legendary stuff works for 9.2? is there anything I can prepare?
So Toxic Onslaught (for Fae) goes on Belt? I guess there is nothing I can prepare now.
But 2nd Legendary would be Duskwalkers Patch. That goes on Ring or Chest as of right now. So should I already prepare a 262 Duskwalker Ring?
warm drift
hello people, doomblade MA vanish logic is the same as always right?
oak sky
Can anyone explain me how the legendary stuff works for 9.2? is there anything I...
yeah right now its probably best to wait
mint seal
M+ feels good. Vendetta for each pack with duskwalker so no longer holding CDs. ...
so duskwalker + obedience is going the be play?
oak sky
thats what its looking like
bleak sky
man being able to flex nf/venth/necro in keys is gonna be nice
oak sky
nf
oak sky
hexed frost
so duskwalker + obedience is going the be play?
Duskwalker with toxic onslaught. Embrace the night fae supremacy
oak sky
he means for keys
or that was the context no?
theres some chance of necro if some bugfixes happen anyway
mint seal
yea, i am somewhat m+ focused, 15s-20s
bleak sky
even if necro is ahead I feel like venth is gonna be the play anyway
jade minnow
Can anyone explain me how the legendary stuff works for 9.2? is there anything I...
I have crafted ring since it is the best option, i dont wanna run around with tierset gloves with haste/mastery
oak sky
it could happen
mint seal
would necro be played with Zoldyck?
bleak sky
no
oak sky
"duskwalkers is inescapable everywhere"
mint seal
i see, so the 4pc is "that" strong
oak sky
it also plays into the 4 piece since we get so much energy during vendetta that we spend more as well
drifting cosmos
is snipping still a thing with 4p?
bleak sky
what is snipping
oak sky
the snapshot at the end is still there if thats what you meant
oak sky
still could get taken out
winter gale
Is obedience good to craft for these last few weeks of SoD? I am returning player and guild will hlp me gear up a bit before 9.2.
Ill get frost set r5 in a week so dunno is dashing scoundrel worth it or I can go Obedience as it looks good as a combo in 9.2
oak sky
probably your best craft rn since its gonna be our go to until we get 4 set
winter gale
Yes
oak sky
obedience
winter gale
It goes to back piece?
jade minnow
Just craft dusk on ring
oak sky
Ill get frost set r5 in a week so dunno is dashing scoundrel worth it or I can g...
the legendary won't help you once you have the 4set and/or double leggos
because the double leggos you need the new unity pattern
bleak sky
Just craft dusk on ring
and then they int by playing dusk until 4p?
oak sky
if you don't have much gold then craft a low rank obedience
if you have gold just make obedience at big boy ilvl
jade minnow
and then they int by playing dusk until 4p?
The dps loss gain is not that huge, id go for dusk...
Its overall better if u have to do some mechanic and cant use 30 stacks of obedience
oak sky
dusk is pretty dogwater right now
its like in the realm of 3-4% is it not?
its like a good 3% worse than obedience until you actually get your 4 piece
bleak sky
yeah no reason to play dusk until then
jade minnow
U are talking about top parses, he is returning player who might aswell get used to dusk already since its 3% deficit
lethal jacinth
i think the only time you'd play dusk right now is pvp
oak sky
its up to him if he wants to be useless for 2 months
and thats fine if you don't have gold or some circumstances or whatever
or really don't care
winter gale
I have 249ilvl doomblade on my cloak, that's currently the best one I have. With few more others 235ilvl. What I craft now will have some impact during 1st weeks of next patch and that is important for me, I am willing to spend g for that.
timid cloud
Not even that, Doomblade is still better for PVP.
timid cloud
Doomblade is safe, just kinda sucks real bad for M+
Dusk is just hard grief in all content.
wind hull
what about the Maw Rattle?
timid cloud
If you’re going to do anything like keys or even doing any mythic it might just be the move to go Obedience though if you’re going to stick to Venthyr.
It’s the all-purpose everything. The Franks Hot Sauce of legendaries if you would.
“I put that shit on everything.”
But if you’re just casual andying it right now & not doing any of the content, then just keep what you have on & don’t care until the patch actually drops. Whenever that will be.
winter gale
I will go for 6/10m reclears from tommorow up until patch comes out so I guess I will craft Obedience as I will play as Venthyr for some time.
Ty all for help
neon belfry
I am a fairly new ass. Rogue and am using dashing scoundrel Lego. So far it feels ok.
strange python
In the end they didn’t nerf the 4 piece from sub kekw
proper summit
In the end they didn’t nerf the 4 piece from sub kekw
What?
timid cloud
They did nerf it, just didn't GUT it.
verbal flower
anyone get a chance to test nightfae dustwalkers sin ?
lethal jacinth
Dusk is just hard grief in all content.
i found that dusk in 2v2 specifically works really well, my healer is a night fae Disc with the NF leggo though, so if i can have good uptime i can get vendetta down to a 35 second cd sometimes
sonic briar
damn
then you have what arms gets (warbreaker) but they dont need a NF priest or dustwalkers
lethal jacinth
xD yeah haha
spice spire
then you have what arms gets (warbreaker) but they dont need a NF priest or dust...
And I love warrior CDs, but they’re more CD centric than sin rogues.
It feels weird like popping CDs in m+ and it doing stuff
small nymph
Been switching back and forth on Sin Rogue and Frost Mage, I must admit I like Frost more in dungeons.. The 30-40k AoE dps is just a lot more fun than dotting up 20 different targets or prioritizing that one big mob
spice spire
viscid spear
Vulpera Furry Fury 
hollow river
And don’t you ever hate on quakewar, she’s a good bean <:madge:76329477740376883...
Are you maining warr next patch? I’m teetering on doing the same
hollow river
Fury looking kinda fun
spice spire
all rogues being soft forced to have a main
i'm liking arms
I like mediocre specs ig
hollow river
My homie told me necro banner is the play for fury
Arms is a lot more chill
I’d play wherever Is tuned better for the raid if I played warr
spice spire
yeah necro is pretty good next patch, which is great - but also rallying is super busted
thin trout
why are we losing so muhc power going into 9.2 😢
cerulean junco
Fury is goated right now
hollow river
why are we losing so muhc power going into 9.2 😢
Yeah I feel the same way, but they have to get rid of shards or else we’d end up using them for the rest of the expac
brazen zodiac
good morning
brazen zodiac
hru
alpine latch
Man, it was nice having a single legendary I could use for all content. I'm going to miss that about 9.1
viscid spear
I’m arms though <:MonkeyPeepoThinking:711055834049675326>
No, that's what I am, lol. Vulpera Fury Warrior
Obleron Winds, Ten of Towers, Elethium Weights, Potent Acid Gland
Only 18.4k 
Which was 2nd place on that fight, behind a DH
viscid spear
Was doing great on Eye until someone stood right on melee with chain
viscid spear
Wait, it was a Demo Lock
I might be racist to the color purple
Or is it colorist
glass tulip
pain
limber lion
Tarragrue 
gusty mirage
pain
I don't think I know one person who hasn't gotten those bracers in their vault every fuckin week
glass tulip
Tarragrue <:pog:597809115338768415>
fatescribe 
limber lion
It's a pog week whenever it's not tarra wrists
glass tulip
I had the same thing as cev, tarra neck for 4 weeks
gusty mirage
stop it
gusty mirage
It's a pog week whenever it's not tarra wrists
yeah until its tarra neck and painsmith gloves
glass tulip
if I take tokens now can I sandbag them til 9.2 and just get free cosmic flux day 1?
limber lion
No
glass tulip
rip
limber lion
🙏
glass tulip
hollow river
Wait, it was a Demo Lock <:peepostudy:585733927562641408>
The wretched PI consumer is the only one who ever beats me on the Eye
viscid spear
This was Tarra though, and Tarra dps doesn't matter
viscid spear
Man, a SPriest beat me on Remnant 
glass tulip
cerulean nest
nice
vestal wren
it was a nerf in st and a buff for aoe kinda
still overall a nerf
but as cev mentioned, the bugfixes did give some of the loss back
viscid spear
Sin still in?
vestal wren
sin with 4p looks strong
viscid spear
Stronk stonks
cerulean nest
so whats the general strat people plan to take regarding leggos etc.? venthyr/theo with dusk+obe until 4p, and then nfae?
brazen zodiac
I’m good, at work <:besad:507266809431326729> u?
smoking and thinking about my death on path
hope ur work day goes swell
hollow river
so whats the general strat people plan to take regarding leggos etc.? venthyr/th...
A lot of people will likely have 4p before double leggo
We run Obedience until we get 4p, then we go NF/Dusk. Add in TO leggo once you get 2nd leggo etc
Dusk isn’t good until you have the 4p
viscid spear
Won't matter until we can craft the double leggo
So just keep Obed cloak until you get the 4pc, then follow what Trickz said
grizzled jay
Boneybois tho
hollow river
leaving obedience on cloak? or does it matter
That’s what I’m doing I think. Then replacing with Dusk and TO once I have 4p etc etc.
If I play my rogue next tier
hollow dirge
If I play my rogue next tier
Traitor
hollow river
Melee slots in my raid are starting to be filled quickly with classes that have better utility unfortunately
grizzled jay
No more Boners
Never leaving my bois. Never.
hollow river
Best hope for rogue atm is if Fury stays better than Arms and Enhance gets fixed to not be busted
hollow dirge
We’ll be fine. You worry too much
glass tulip
get out of here with that 
slow marsh
Just go outlaw so you can realize you're still a rogue and have no utility
glass tulip
I dont want to cap my aoe, sorry
viscid spear
Clear up through Guardian, leader forgot to do the skip dialogue after Tarra
