assassination

[misty holly]

We didn't try her first couple weeks.

But that points to what I was complaining about. For anyone with any ability to do +15's heroic becomes outgeared quickly

So you move to mythic for any challenge at all, and it's a brick wall

[tight ginkgo]

A brick wall is a pretty big misrepresentation of it, imo

[arctic walrus]

Has nobody managed to clear mythic?

[tight ginkgo]

https://progstats.io/tier/28-sanctum-of-domination

I mean you said it yourself – you went and did mythic before killing heroic sylv.

[misty holly]

Maybe Im just annoyed because of how things have been going with raiding this tier with so many people leaving the game.

Soulrender was over 100 pulls. It sucked but felt acceptable.

And now progging painsmith with 18 people because literally no one else wants to raid mythic apparently

[tight ginkgo]

Yeah, that's frustrating. Most people want to just trade up to a higher progressed guild I think given that painsmith is a stumbling block.

[misty holly]

It's even worse than that.... this is the most progressed guild on server

and they've been trying to recruit for months

But anyways sorry to bother Sin chat, it seemed slow in here hope you forgive me!

[arctic walrus]

Yeah because just like you don’t want to, nobody ride will want to transfer to a realms where the highest prog is painsmith it ain’t a game issue it’s a where you’re at issue

[slim sable]

i kinda miss 10 man now in legion and bfa it was fine but SL is a mess

[quaint carbon]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[cobalt hemlock]

does comp stomp still give you renown ?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[hardy wind]

it's an addon. elvui has an option to show buffs/debuffs in bar form like that. the left one is their personal buffs and the right one is their target's debuffs for tracking dots and stuff

[runic lynx]

whats it the name of that addon?

[hardy wind]

elvui

[runic lynx]

oh ok

[blissful raven]

helloo

guys what do mor dps on raid rogue or dh????

[upbeat needle]

Rogue does more boss damage

If you wanna pad and shit DH is the way to go

[blissful raven]

y look for do dmg to boss

that is the way catch rogue

[upbeat needle]

that's the whole reason you bring a rogue

high boss damage and an immune

if you want overall DPS play boomy or WW

[blissful raven]

y want single target

[sonic schooner]

Rogue and SP are boss shredder

DH is kinda in a weird position. Some of them can destroy a boss for some reason

[carmine dawn]

Because nothing matters but killing the boss

[normal mist]

A question about the PTR tier set: Does the piece change when we switch spec (as in the 2/4set become outlaw if we switch to outlaw) or we will have to get 15 dif items to form the 3 sets?

[limber lion]

It will change accordingly, yes.

You need to get the tier token 4 times in total to get the effect for all 3 specs, so it should be pretty easy to get!

[wooden quail]

So what Spec do you guys think is looking like the go to for rogues in mplus. Ty:). I’m stuck and can’t decide. Ty

In 9.2 of course

[gusty mirage]

Sub will still shine in m+

[whole mason]

So in Whispyr's list, Dslice Sin's number is almost the same as the ST?

[brazen zodiac]

This isn't league of legends

[toxic zenith]

i only have one posion how do i get both

[brazen zodiac]

oh you're so fucking adorable

u can just click the non lethal poison and it'll apply

so where u apply the lethal you also apply the non lethal

lmfoa i went half of 9.0 with 1 poison on cuz i didn't know u could have 2. based

[brazen zodiac]

numbing and cripple are the non lethal poisons btw

[limber lion]

welp

[vestal wren]

thats normal, the fight type has short downtimes and single target/adds
This means the damage often ends up lower than e.g. a 5 target sim

[brazen zodiac]

kelp

[fringe kraken]

will the archivists codex be relevant in 9.2?

[peak badger]

no

[ripe shale]

do i alwas line up fusion trinket with ven and my racial ?

[spice spire]

bi

no, apologies

vendetta does not effect the trinket, you should send it on cd so you don't miss a cast

[toxic zenith]

LOL

[tulip kernel]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[toxic zenith]

i have instant poision on that is all how do i get others

[bleak sky]

click poison

use other poison

[toxic zenith]

i dont have any other to click lmao

[bleak sky]

share a screenshot

[toxic zenith]

only one other poision

[bleak sky]

[uneven hamlet]

Are you 60? I feel that it should be asked

[toxic zenith]

no lol

[bleak sky]

[uneven hamlet]

Lmao

[bleak sky]

you get other poisons as you level

[toxic zenith]

o ok lol

[uneven hamlet]

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

@balmy condor how high are the chances that we gonna play nf next tier?

[bleak sky]

yes

[balmy condor]

Snoop dogg on a Saturday

[nocturne geode]

why specifically on a saturday

🙂

[shell kraken]

Pandemic question: Say that I have a 5cp rupture = 24sec. I refresh it with 5cp and 7 sec left --> New rupture with 31 sec, will the "pandemic" be at 9,3 sec then? (31*0,3=9,3)

[vestal wren]

the pandemic time depends on the cp value of the spell casted

so if you cast a 5 cp rupture, you get max 30% of the duration of a 5 cp rupture on top

so max 7.2 sec from a running rupture

[shell kraken]

Thx!

[vestal wren]

i hope that explains it, if you still got questions pls ask

[timid cloud]

A lot of Rupture weak auras have pandemic timers on them, it’ll give you an idea of what they all are.

[vestal wren]

i don't think using a dynamic pandemic timer is good for a weakaura

so i assume most will just use pandemic for the most common finisher

e.g. i use the glow feature on my rupture weakaura for subtlety on the 5 cp threshold as it covers both 5 and 6 cp finisher.

[real pewter]

I'm so confused as to why blindside sims higher than elaborate planning

when EP seems objectively better

[subtle kiln]

because sims are only as good as the what you’re are actually simulating. very rarely are you standing still for 5 minutes

you used them as a resource to help make decisions.

[real pewter]

kk

[true lark]

are most here staying assination for 9.2? or is there a thought it wont be good

[uneven hamlet]

we just don't know rn

we have to wait the 9.2 balance

[limber lion]

Yes.

Assa is good.

[gusty mirage]

is there a thought that sin won't be good?

[subtle kiln]

yes

[gusty mirage]

or are we basing this off of max's nonsense tier list

[subtle kiln]

the 3 weeks for 2x lego

[bleak sky]

get with the times old man

not 100% = not good

[gusty mirage]

oh

well then we should all reroll enhance shaman

[bleak sky]

yes

[gusty mirage]

cuz rogue is definitely worse than enhance rn

unlucky

[bleak sky]

I'm already 90% hot hands uptime everytime built different

[gusty mirage]

these are definitely words

[bleak sky]

[subtle kiln]

@gusty mirage is rogue ever good?

[gusty mirage]

rogue is the best class ever

totally unbiased opinion here

[bleak sky]

[glass tulip]

If we are basing what we are playing purely off of what James said

[gusty mirage]

I hear that sub set is fun AND powerful

nevermind that it still needs bug fixes and will get the numbers tuned before it goes live

[glass tulip]

Outlaw set turbo ass was funny though

[timid cloud]

Rogues are giga chads that wake up at 5am to go to the gym & blast EDM/Techno

[glass tulip]

[strange python]

[subtle kiln]

he does enjoy his reactivity gameplay.

[dawn ivy]

enjoy that reactivity when it gets fucking slaughtered on tuesday

[subtle kiln]

it’s ok. the 45 apm spec will possibly be relevant 3-6 weeks into prog then good for another 7 months

sub is already used to the 4 tiers of shit, with one good one. rinse and repeat

[dawn ivy]

i honestly have no idea what im playing this tier

[strange python]

Rogue will be fine dw

[subtle kiln]

kinda same boat. nothing on rogue has me excited

[dawn ivy]

outlaw is getting buffs apparently/sub is getting gutted but we dont know how bad, and sin is kinda ???

im gonna be a sad rogue if outlaw gets dark horse treatment and just bangs

[subtle kiln]

usually at this point there’s a slight spark of something that says hey that looks like fun

backstabbing in shadowdance not exactly my idea of a good time

[dawn ivy]

yeah sin is weird for me because you need to get double leggo and 4 set just to feel the real NF build

pretty sure we play venthyr all the way up to that point

[subtle kiln]

and even the full build on ptr doesn’t exactly have a lot of excitement to it

still to me same old assa with a slight twist. would have liked a little more change but it’s just what it is

[dawn ivy]

the 2pc nerf kinda put sin in the middle of the pack too

[subtle kiln]

would love to see deathspike changed but i think it’s a love or hate affair with sbs

[arctic walrus]

can u even play anything else parsley

i swear to god if you say dh

[subtle kiln]

fury right now is most enjoyable game loop for me, but idk always feel like I should be on rogue

[dawn ivy]

i have fury warrior for splits that im enjoying, i played ww to some success in CN

arms was a total disaster if im being honest

i cant play that fuckin spec

[arctic walrus]

not even all that adderal can make you endure waiting 1.5s for a swing timer?

[dawn ivy]

oh and also i made a dh to 240 but had to drop it for the warrior

[subtle kiln]

arms and being in range for swings was hard to get used to for generating rage

[dawn ivy]

maybe thats the issue i was having, but all i know was i was having many issues LOL

[subtle kiln]

I didn’t realize how I may have moved away at times and oof

MS asap, hit 3 abilities. don’t cap OP

[dawn ivy]

i think the playstyle and mentality arms has is just not my playstyle

[subtle kiln]

i don’t know if I want to turbo fury apm the entire tier lol

[dawn ivy]

spriest was really fun at start of expac, dont think i had enough playtime to have mastered it on multi target

[subtle kiln]

I would probably be slightly more excited for assa if we had 2L for heroic

a 14% dps loss going into a tier and doomblade doesn’t get me going

[grave trail]

the thought process is Sub is superior therefor Assa useless

[oak sky]

People making decisions before the patch is final

And then theres heroic week tuning

[bleak sky]

I'm rerolling shadow priest and survival hunter powerful/fun

[gusty mirage]

rogue sucks forever

delete the class

[subtle kiln]

I mean there are plenty of people on this server that will only play x spec no matter what it is and says it’s the best thing ever.

[arctic walrus]

U PARSE YET

[oak sky]

Damn im popular today

[gusty mirage]

today?

I have a poster of you in my room

that says "REAL ROGUES FEINT ON CD"

[vestal wren]

i don't think there is anything inherently wrong with that, let people do what they enjoy

[oak sky]

Ok whens my redemption arc

[gusty mirage]

except outlaw rogue

we don't like them

[vestal wren]

if you are not in a super competitive guild, play whatever you like

[oak sky]

Wheres the script writer

[spice spire]

Whatcha need homie?

[oak sky]

A redemption arc

[spice spire]

Oh, 10.0, sorry king

[oak sky]

No good guild until 10.0 🚬

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

no 2 day guilds have returned my app on dh agreon I feel you

[subtle kiln]

not saying there is. some folks have their mind made up without even looking at how other specs or classes play and that’s perfectly fine.

[arctic walrus]

okay so just ignore me then

washed up loser knew u were no good

[oak sky]

Oh

[spice spire]

Damn Vel a needy mfer fr

[oak sky]

Parse on what

[arctic walrus]

nah man idc anymore

go talk to ur other hoes

[oak sky]

Noo

Theyre nothing to me

Its only you

Ong

@arctic walrus

[arctic walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-message-gif-22842219

[oak sky]

Hannah my queen 😍

[ebon notch]

who is that lmao

[solemn plaza]

[oak sky]

She never even gave college a chance 😔

[ebon notch]

explain you zoomer

[oak sky]

Shes an egirl

Remember dekais outlaw rogue supremacy gif

[ebon notch]

THATS HER?

[oak sky]

Think so

[ebon notch]

@kind talon

[oak sky]

Well known egirl

[gusty mirage]

can we keep the zoomer humor/discussions to outlaw and off-topic? thanks

(:

[loud mason]

been outlaw/sub for sanctum, going to farm gear for assi now. venthyr nadja still bis for raids ?

[gusty mirage]

no

theo w/ crit tea

triple potency

[loud mason]

got an link for the numbers on theo vs nadja ?

[bleak sky]

you can just sim it

takes 1 min

[copper hazel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

[oak sky]

if you have sub setup on theotar or something nadjia is still fine

[full tendon]

Is the difference between the 3 big when it comes to M+, for sin?

[bleak sky]

what is the big 3

[full tendon]

Nadjia, Theo, Draven

[bleak sky]

yes play theo

[safe wigeon]

Is it worth to get a 2-3 combo point envenom in the last 1 second of shiv?

[bleak sky]

no just play normal

[safe wigeon]

Or just forget it and muti again

Ok I'm always so conflicted in that situation

What about during flag?

Worth to inch a few extra stacks out?

[oak sky]

during flag a 3cp envenom only is a very tiny gain

[limber lion]

Only with Obedience ^

It's generally not worth it

[safe wigeon]

Ok I'm not using that

[limber lion]

Just build and finish as you would normally.

[oak sky]

ye

[safe wigeon]

It just feels more fun to get those 0.1 second envenoms in

But we are not here for fun

[rare scaffold]

how do you open in pvp as a sin rogue ?

[arctic walrus]

you open the #pvp channel of this discord and start from there

[thorny pond]

What is “pvp”?

[loud mason]

Hows assi in 25+ keys? current patch

[limber lion]

Not the best

[drifting cloud]

like B+ tier or something

[loud mason]

zoldyck leggo, elaborate + ma + crimson ?

[drifting cloud]

subterfuge

[loud mason]

aight thanks

[bleak sky]

obedience

most likely a better pick

[loud mason]

i honestly just am terrible at utilizing flag stacks

so think zoldyck should be fine on forti

[bleak sky]

wdym

[loud mason]

gettin them flag stacks to max

i usally hang around at 20 -26

[echo geyser]

just always do max cp > flag

[ebon notch]

in m+ its relatively easy to max out flag stacks

with the bleeds rolling you get tonnes of energy

[echo geyser]

on st yeah u wont get that high but its w/e

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser assa in pf with red puddle and lust

[echo geyser]

[slow marsh]

you do sub damage or what

[echo geyser]

[bleak sky]

that much haste is just

[loud mason]

we have an aoe cheat sheet somewhere btw ?
like rupture 1-4 garrote 1-4 etc

[ebon notch]

finish the boss with 20k dps easy

put sub in the dumpster

[bleak sky]

rupture all

garrote what you can

keep ct, garrotes ruptures up

[oak sky]

in prio 5 total bleeds

[ebon notch]

[bleak sky]

envenom to refresh snd / prio

[oak sky]

🤔

[echo geyser]

do u already have 2 necro?

[loud mason]

opening with ct or rupture?

[ebon notch]

wdym

[loud mason]

on aoe packs

[echo geyser]

in grp

[bleak sky]

you open with garrotes

[ebon notch]

[ebon notch]

i was memeing

havent played assa in keys for months

[loud mason]

ofc garrote but finisher opener 😛

[ebon notch]

next time we get 25 pf i try

[bleak sky]

what I do is
(assuming you have snd up)
garret 1, 2, 3, 4 -> flag something -> ct -> fok -> spread ruptures

[ebon notch]

ye do this

dont care about snd until your bleeds are rolling

[loud mason]

Aight thanks for assist

[bleak sky]

you usually have it up for all dungeon anyway in most dungeons

[echo geyser]

garret is the most important

crucial step

[bleak sky]

garret huge

[ebon notch]

50 FUCKIN KAY D00D

[loud mason]

assi works fine for 20-25 keys right?

[bleak sky]

yeah

[oak sky]

yep

[echo geyser]

yep

just juice up

[loud mason]

been outlaw/sub so long, miss assi. so im testing it out again

[bleak sky]

are you running 25s right now?

[ebon notch]

anything works in 25s

[bleak sky]

dang daps

[ebon notch]

itll just be harder to get into pugs at that level playing assa or outlaw over sub

[bleak sky]

dropping the truth bombs

[ebon notch]

im trying to motivate him

[loud mason]

im mostly raider, but done a few 20-21s. then i stoped m+ for like 4 months lol

so now im gona get back at it to push some rio

[oak sky]

not different from a lot of us

lol

[ebon notch]

literally where i was like 1.5 months ago

[knotty spear]

Is the frost set worth running if i dont have dashing scoundrel? finally got the shoulders to drop

[loud mason]

how many targets swap muti for fan ?

[knotty spear]

sitting around 32% crit

[oak sky]

4

[oak sky]

sim it

[loud mason]

aight, think i got all the info i need now, thanks folks

[oak sky]

but a high rank frost set almost always beats unholy

[ebon notch]

agreon on fire

[oak sky]

you shouldve seen

when i said something earlier

i got 4 @s

[ebon notch]

lmao what

what did you say

[bleak sky]

@oak sky @oak sky @oak sky

[ebon notch]

thats only 3

[oak sky]

thats 3 brother

[ebon notch]

[bleak sky]

I'm just one person man

can't beat the record like that

would be illegal

[proper tapir]

Should I resub wow mid February and grind out NF renown to 80 so I'm ready for 4-set/double leggo?

[ebon notch]

dont know if we can legally encourage anyone to resub

but if you want to play then i would level nightfae and venthyr renown

[bleak sky]

god damn daps

man on fire

[ebon notch]

as theyre both going to be good at different stages of the tier

[loud mason]

titanic over fusion amp in m+ i guess?, since they sim really close and its easier to upptime the titanic

[proper tapir]

I see. Thank you.

[limber lion]

The on-demand damage from fusion amp is very much desirable

[ebon notch]

i personally run gland on fort weeks

and fusion amp on tyrannical

[oak sky]

aoe vs st

[limber lion]

Sometimes it's a really good tool for dumping on prio targets

[ebon notch]

when the bosses on higher keys can take like 5 mins fusion amps value is just huge

and as cev just said, prio damage is always nice

[fathom flax]

Just run double passive and save yourself a key bind

[ebon notch]

but if its not inspiring or bolstering then your funnel is not as valuable

[limber lion]

Imagine not having 2 trinket keybinds always

[ebon notch]

not saying you never funnel, just saying it happens less often

[limber lion]

Still need trinket binds for raiding

[sonic schooner]

Just dont use activable trinkets

[echo geyser]

we need some double on use juice

[fathom flax]

Eye and phial pewpew

[bleak sky]

I really like running phial + amp/faulty/eye

[full tendon]

Gland and phial ftw

[fathom flax]

Can’t wait to farm a new phial in 9.2 🙂

[bleak sky]

amp/faulty for more prio, eye if I don't wanna bother with anything

[echo geyser]

wasnt font + coral bis in bfa?

[limber lion]

for raiding, yes

[full tendon]

Who doesn't love a 50+ farm for one item

[sonic schooner]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/772180753458135071/797439570236669972/1.gif

Plaguefall home

[fathom flax]

Coral was sim bait

Prove me wrong

[limber lion]

lul

[echo geyser]

coral inkpod was my fave combo but idk if it was good on sin then

[drifting cloud]

nah inkpod wasnt good on assa

[limber lion]

twas decent, not the best

plenty better options

[echo geyser]

crazy pop on ashvane

[drifting cloud]

or well inkpod was probably something like totem is now

[fathom flax]

Raden hastey boy

[drifting cloud]

decent just never bis

[ebon notch]

Maybe double on use one for each vendetta with duskwalkers

[oak sky]

why would that matter

to sync trinkets with vendetta

[ebon notch]

When one is on cd use a different one

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

Oxi gets it

[gusty mirage]

I don’t get anything

I’m actually stupid, don’t tell anyone though

I’ve been running a ruse

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

You get this dick

[gusty mirage]

promise?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

ayo this you?

[balmy condor]

Asking gf

[echo geyser]

"is actually the subbest sub that ever subbed"

[bleak sky]

fitting for a sub OTP

[ebon notch]

"Acts like a delinquent"

"wants to cry sometimes but physically can't"

Ah it's perfect

[sonic schooner]

[exotic hatch]

Only smart people realize this

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

She agreed

Baka

[bleak sky]

[whole mason]

Thanks

[thorny pond]

Red head now?

[balmy condor]

[thorny pond]

Is it like those pencils they gave us during drug awareness week in school, where the color changes if you rub it?

[spice spire]

W-where are you rubbing him mister beach

[thorny pond]

Head pats

[spice spire]

Okay good mister beach

[glass tulip]

[brazen zodiac]

sup quake, mav

[strange python]

necro rogue 24 pf

do i go zoldyck

[bleak sky]

good stuff

[strange python]

or bloodstained

[bleak sky]

what

no

just go zoldycks, no point in going doomblade if it's not tyr

[strange python]

aight cheers

[glass tulip]

yo

[bleak sky]

waddup

[glass tulip]

was replying to vital from like an hour ago kekw

[oak sky]

@balmy condor

@vestal wren

[bleak sky]

free nitro????

[solid venture]

[vestal wren]

he is gone 🙂

[balmy condor]

I was finishing up work

[bleak sky]

is bedge time, is not work time

[gusty mirage]

funny, you think whispyr sleeps

[glass tulip]

the bowling pins call

[bleak sky]

isn't it bedge for you as well lawyerman?

[gusty mirage]

can't comp stomp if I'm sleeping ya feels

[bleak sky]

heck comp stomp

[gusty mirage]

need honor cap for when I hit duelist so I can upgrade my shit

[bleak sky]

oh that
I thought it was renown

[gusty mirage]

nah everything's at 80 except kyrian, kyrian's at 79

[hollow river]

Is comp stomp more guaranteed renown than ghast?

[gusty mirage]

no

[bleak sky]

all luck

gotta be a good player to get renown 100% of the time

[gusty mirage]

torghast, callings, and the weeklies were the most consistent

[vestal wren]

you can't let kyrian on 79 -.-

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

sure I can

[vestal wren]

i bet you will just to trigger peoples ocd

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

mine is at 78

[vestal wren]

[drifting cloud]

so is nf

[oak sky]

if you do enough raid fights or m+ its eventually gonna be 80

[drifting cloud]

comp stomp just isnt dropping ive done like 200!

[cunning needle]

how bad is blood set compared to frostset for ass?

[drifting cloud]

bad

[cunning needle]

[drifting cloud]

r4 frost > anything else

[cunning needle]

kk thanks

[solid venture]

yea idk about comp stomp, done 10 and only got renown once better off farming l9 torgy

[bronze pike]

Ya

The Comp stomp thing becomes kinda unreliable after a certain point

[glass tulip]

I only stopped getting it at like 75+, 60 to 75 was almost every match

[dark token]

whats even the point of renown 80 lol

past renown 57 you get like 50 dps from 3 empowered connies

i wouldnt grind it past getting all the traits unlocked which is like 55-57

[oak sky]

because fuck it

[ornate dawn]

Anyone got any tips p1 Syl Mythic, just to optimise your uptime really

[whole mason]

for p1 actually it depends on your raid dps. assuming your raid need to stop dps quite early for the 84.0% mark, you should flag on cd and V after for some remaining dps space or even play it on CD. If, however, your raid need ST dps, you pair them after the 3rd chains.

use your mfd on chains and adds

[quasi ledge]

Door of Shadows out of veil, Shadowstep back in
Make sure you also have a MfD mouse over for chains/adds. 2nd one after the opener is up just after first arrows/adds spawn, so you can get multiple resets there. Then use it on boss, and it'll be up for next chains/adds, again can get a lot of resets

Although my raid has a habit of killing the one I MfD last every time :p

[whole mason]

if everything plays accordingly, you will not need to DoS out of veils.

[ebon notch]

dont door of shadows out ever

the veil should be baited in such a way that it is moved away from you

you should only ever have to door of shadows in

[ornate dawn]

We have ranged baiting veil so I dont usually have to get out

[ebon notch]

basically @ornate dawn scripting your movement abilities to line up with the boss is how you maximise uptime

[quasi ledge]

Depends on the tactics you use in P1, our ranged don't bait veil

[ebon notch]

but it also depends on how your guild does certain strats

like the adds

[whole mason]

yes, door of shadows in after the 2nd chains, if you usually shadowstep boss after her jumps

[ebon notch]

if they tank the adds near you then you can easily get a ton of mfd resets in your flag and itll help boost your damage a significant amount

[ornate dawn]

And yeah I usually step to boss after her jumps and door back in, I think our adds are not that close half the time so I guess thats something to optimise

[whole mason]

generally i dont think there is up time problems unless you're targeted for arrow

[ebon notch]

for me the first few are step > gate > step > sprint?

something like that

step after first set of jumps

gate in after veil

step after the jumps

run to the arrows to set up bleeds during the veil

[whole mason]

step gate step door and then just run no sprint after 3rd chains, she often jump near chains

[ebon notch]

i usually step to her before the chains so i can refresh dots while she is in her veil animation

[ornate dawn]

Ok cool cool sounds like I'm doing most of that already, bleeds up on chains I can probably do better on

[ebon notch]

then you can door in after the veil ends

getting a juicy poison bomb proc on the arrows feels hella good

[ornate dawn]

true that

[ebon notch]

but if you want to optimise further just go through a replay of yourself or smth

will help you with timings

[whole mason]

as far as im concerned, the whole Sylv fight is 100% scripted for Sin rogues' abilities...

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage tell me you havent felt the poison bombgasm

especially during intermission on that huge clump in the middle

[gusty mirage]

Oh sweet child

Poison bomb sucks

Sorry to break it to you

[quasi ledge]

That juicy poison bomb that does no damage?

[ebon notch]

lots of numbers

no damage

big pog

still better than CT

[gusty mirage]

Story of rogue’s life in SL

[whole mason]

depends on your raid man, Vend boomkin vaporise the huge clump in the middle

[ornate dawn]

We got triple boomie double mage

I might as well afk

on add dmg

[whole mason]

for intermission, i always stand opposite to the group, linked to the middle, and then jump to a remote cluster.

[quasi ledge]

Our ranged focus side clumps (or were originally :p), melee go middle and then far after baiting side chains onto themselves

[ebon notch]

dont do that

get linked to one on the outside

sprint to the middle and get some damage off

when you notice it melting step to the opposite cluster on the edge

[whole mason]

there is no dmg for getting in the middle

[ebon notch]

you can easily get there first because you only have to stand half way

[whole mason]

you didnt get it. the middle ones vanishes so fast you cannot get dmg there

[ebon notch]

in my experience they stay up for around 10 seconds or so

even with boomies

[whole mason]

a well prep'd boomie sets up like 34 stacks and fury them out.

[ebon notch]

fair enough

[brazen zodiac]

no. say it isn't so!

[short token]

do i go triple potency with theotar?

lashing, well placed steel and lethal poisons?

[gusty mirage]

Yup

You nailed it

[short token]

ty!

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

oxi rocks!

[wild stag]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[midnight vapor]

Whats a good overall legendary to craft going into 9.2

getting my rogue back up as an alt

[slow marsh]

Prolly like tiny toxic blade

We're gonna have to recraft in 9.2 anyways so it doesn't really matter. Imo craft whatever you need to get geared up for it right now

[hexed frost]

Toxic Onslaught only correct answer sir

[midnight vapor]

Will probably craft echo of eonar ty so much for help

[thin ingot]

guys im being pressured to pick a main for 9.2 and ive mained rogue for several expansions and was looking to get back into it

but as much as i enjoy pushing CE i do enjoy M+ a bit more

how is sin aoe looking with the tier set and double leggo? any better?

[bleak sky]

sin is fine on live and will be fine on 9.2

[nocturne geode]

itll be alright but sub/outlaw's still better

[thin ingot]

theyre not pulling crazy numbers on the ptr? like every other class that could aoe went through the roof

[bleak sky]

disregard ptr numbers

[nocturne geode]

^

[hollow river]

i have a feeling sin is gonna be just as good as outlaw even in m+ next season

[nocturne geode]

could happen

[viscid spear]

Sin is In

[cerulean nest]

if things remain how they are, do you see more people transitioning to sin from sub, or will sub still see the most play?

[balmy condor]

If things remain how they are now you would never play sin

[cerulean nest]

?

[balmy condor]

?

[limber lion]

?

[brazen zodiac]

fucking based

sup whisp

oh shit

?

[balmy condor]

Not much

[brazen zodiac]

hows the day rollin

[balmy condor]

Waiting for gf to get off the phone so we can get burgers

I’m hungry

And she’s just chatting up a storm

[brazen zodiac]

women stuff amiright

[vestal wren]

tuning isn't finalized, and sub is rly strong with the tier set atm

[balmy condor]

Hate women yep

[brazen zodiac]

god women

we just suck

[nova flax]

W men

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/woman-women-am-i-right-woman-am-i-right-gif-23666905

[brazen zodiac]

waiting for my bf to finish classes so i can make us some spicy chicken quesadillas

u want one bro

[balmy condor]

A bf? Yeah I’ll take one

[brazen zodiac]

u cant have mine his hair is too precious to let go

but i will see what magic i can do

[balmy condor]

@lucid birch

[brazen zodiac]

let it be done

[lucid birch]

[thorny pond]

This tinder for rogues?

[bleak sky]

yes 19 F NA hbu

[jade minnow]

Pls let ass be good id rather play outlaw than sub pray to our pokemon

[nocturne geode]

🤔

[thorny pond]

13 F(BI) South Dakota

[bleak sky]

[lucid birch]

I wouldn’t say tinder

This is pretty gay

[normal mist]

So how can we do this, we need to create an acc or something?

[lucid birch]

For?

[normal mist]

Ravenholdt tinder ofc

[bleak sky]

yeah it should be grindr, that's the sigma straight male one

[normal mist]

Im free when my wife isnt home

hmu

[lucid birch]

Oh lmao thought it was a ptr question or something I’m baited

[normal mist]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

This is why I told you to date me instead

Food is a priority not a choice

[normal mist]

LOL

[lucid birch]

Whispyr and I have been dating for awhile

But we might go open

If anyone is interested

[balmy condor]

My gf is interested

[lucid birch]

[brazen zodiac]

21 F NA Sin u roll both specs ?? 😻

[bleak sky]

maybe

[brazen zodiac]

🤤

[hollow river]

both specs lmao

[fallen fable]

Is there a way to avoid Barbed arrow stacks on sylvanas mythic p1?

Or is it just random

Is actually avoiding Withering fire ability

[surreal prism]

Yup

[bleak sky]

just random

[fallen fable]

ah ok, thx

[lucid birch]

Circles add a stack but she auto targets several people and that is unavoidable

[umbral tulip]

Can u get 80 renown without doing weeklies? I got hard stuck at 78 for Kyrian and necro even though I did quite a few clears as kyr

So I figured it might be smth to do with that

[surreal prism]

Last 2 have to be from the weeklies

[oak sky]

Nah they dont anymore

[umbral tulip]

U sure? The drop rate must be awful then

[oak sky]

I just finished nf to 80 yesterday

[umbral tulip]

And u never did weeklies?

[oak sky]

I did the weeklies earlier in the week and my last 2 were calling and torghast

[limber lion]

Unlucky

[surreal prism]

Oh

I finished renown like a month ago so I haven't had to worry about it since then

[safe wigeon]

If you have the weekly quest at 79 you can't get renown in any other way but the quest

So either abandon it or finish it

[glass tulip]

an impostor

kekwait

[brazen zodiac]

sup mav

[glass tulip]

yo

[gusty mirage]

May I suggest upgrading to kekwat

[glass tulip]

I will take your suggestion and hold on to it with some consideration, although I am a kekwait enjoyer

[gusty mirage]

kekwait is great

so many great keks out there

[glass tulip]

sadkek is a classic

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

kekEX

huge

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage may I introduce you to a rare kek

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-waiting-still-waiting-gif-13052487

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

[arctic walrus]

i love this wtf

[viscid spear]

Safety first

[lucid birch]

my rares

[dark arrow]

anyone know whats the best youtube video guide for mythic plus as assassination? I know its the worst spec for it but I personally don't like sub and don't have the weapons or stat balance to be effective at outlaw currently. Plus I have run Sin since BC so hard for me to stop playing it since I love it so much lol. Until now i've only really raided with my rogue but recently been running mythic plus on my DH and having a blast. Would like to start doing more of that on my rogue as well. I do ok enough damage but I feel I can still do better if I optimize my rotations. Did a 15 NW and did 7.2k overall at ilvl 244.

[balmy condor]

video guides are already kinda sketch because they get outdated so fast

but m+ guides are even more rare

afraid you're out of luck

[dark arrow]

alrighty then, guess its just trial and error.

play lots and figure out what works the hard way haha

[balmy condor]

yeh, or if you have questions feel free to ask here

the homies who do high sin keys that I know of are mostly @bleak sky and maybe @subtle tundra?

idk who else is still playing sin

most of the m+ sin holdouts have swapped sub these days

not a lot left

[dark arrow]

in the NW run I did earlier I basically just tried to keep rupture and garrote on 2-3 targets and mostly relied on Crimson Tempest for trash. Boss fights are a no brainer. its mostly just trying to figure out how to best handle the trash.

[oak sky]

ive done sin in up to 22s

im not as good as varas but i mostly know whats up

[balmy condor]

yeah a lot of people in the low 20's with sin

[dark arrow]

too often I end up just focusing one target in trash pull that need interrupt priority and then using Crimson Tempest a lot to do damage to the rest lol

[balmy condor]

lots of smart people here too

CT is a weird ability tbh

cause you have the urge to use it as an aoe finisher like powder

but it's still a dot

so you have to hold the urge and let the dot tick

[dark arrow]

yeah I try to use it as a dot

[oak sky]

is there any specific info you're looking for

[bleak sky]

WORKING ON A FIRE M+ GUIDE DW

jk

[oak sky]

POGSLIDE

[balmy condor]

SAME

but like

actually lowkey

cause wowhead

[oak sky]

just farmed like 18k soul ash

[bleak sky]

will be on my onlypatreons

[balmy condor]

I still have to rewrite fucking everything

[oak sky]

renown gains are dropping

[balmy condor]

im so depressed man

[bleak sky]

but I think Ryfie has a good m+ guide for sin Decius

[balmy condor]

that's a little outdated as well

he wrote that one like start of 9.0

so it's mostly accurate

but before the whole "rogue = prio" craze happend

[oak sky]

do you need help with any guide stuff?

[bleak sky]

and honestly decius sin doesn't "work" on 15s most of the time

you dont have enough time

[oak sky]

even just looking them over or whatever

[bleak sky]

ya I'd love to help as well

[balmy condor]

I got helpers but I'll make sure to ask if I need anything

[bleak sky]

you got seli I'm sure

[balmy condor]

icyveins guide writer seli aiding the wowhead enemy

[oak sky]

i think i give up torghast for the day

[balmy condor]

unacceptable

sworn enemies

[winter grove]

I got to 2560 as sin in keys but I think I have hit the ceiling lol

[balmy condor]

top end sin rogues are like 2800+ I think no?

[winter grove]

Alot better than me I'm sure

[oak sky]

yeah varas is almost 3k

[balmy condor]

honestly m+ is a lot more just time invested and playing with other high end people tbh

[surreal prism]

Zero hit 3k

[oak sky]

lets say 2900

[balmy condor]

who?

[surreal prism]

Zerocool

EU rogue

[balmy condor]

nah like who do you think you are bringing up that dent brain

[oak sky]

[surreal prism]

idk I just went to raider.io and copypastad the first name on the list

[oak sky]

he plays sub now anyway

[balmy condor]

zerocool, playing fae before it was cool

and by cool I mean good

[oak sky]

he is 3k on sin tho

varas is 2900

and me? I havent done a key in weeks

[balmy condor]

zerocool deadass just games all fucking day as sin, and then doesn't get invited back to keys

[oak sky]

raidlog

[balmy condor]

[surreal prism]

lol

[oak sky]

i got bored of people telling me i blast in keys

:/

[balmy condor]

I checked in on his stream one time

and he was live for 8 hours

nothing but keys

standing in front of last boss mists on a +27 or a +28

8k overall

[oak sky]

aint no way

how do you do 8k with bis gear in a 28

[balmy condor]

if m+ pumping were a sport, zerocool would compete in the special olympics homie

fae sucks hard

[bleak sky]

so much this

[balmy condor]

and this dude sips feelcraft koolaid so fucking hard

[whole mason]

Hi Whispyr, blz said they want to change the situation of Sin "not for m+", and how is it going in PTR?

[bleak sky]

you gotta put in a lot of hours to get to the end of M+

[balmy condor]

literally all he drinks

[balmy condor]

I mean sin still sucks in m+ compared to the other specs

but it's fine

does a lot of single target damage

[dark arrow]

i'm 2119 score atm as sin. I grinded hard at season start but haven't done it in forever on my rogue

[oak sky]

why play m+ when i can mindlessly grind up my renown or play an alt

[balmy condor]

dusk + obed = 1 min cooldown burst every pack

pretty decent

you're not going to compete on big aoe pulls

but you do single target and you do cleave

and that's gotta make you happy

[whole mason]

dusk+obed? no necro?

or necro is still bugged?

[balmy condor]

necro still bugged

if you wait a couple days there's an article coming out on wowhead about double legos

:)

[bleak sky]

something something worthless leggo

[balmy condor]

I believe the words I use are "miserable and useless existence"

[dark arrow]

haven't looked at 9.2 yet does Sin seem to be more viable with the legendary and tier set or we still hot garbage (well for mythic plus we are semi ok for raids lol)

[bleak sky]

sin is not hot garbage for 9.1.5 though?

I don't get it

[brazen zodiac]

:)

[bleak sky]

sin is not enhance shaman / feral druid

or idk udk

[dark arrow]

I mean comparing with the other rogue spec

[bleak sky]

they're all fine

sub is just the best out of the 3

one being better doesn't mean the other 2 are hot garbage omegashit

[drifting cosmos]

Yea sin is pretty consistent and big st

Overall not that bad just can't compete with meta specs on big pulls

[whole mason]

Thanks. I dont know if it is just me or the fact that a spec looks so well balanced making things boring...

[hexed frost]

Bro Assa is M+ viable i swear trust me we can out-DPS prot pala

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

it's fine just do more dam

[hexed frost]

You just have to hold vendetta for 5 mins it's not that hard i swear

[bleak sky]

you gotta use vendetta on bosses only

so you get like 4 uses in 40 min cmon bruh you know that

[balmy condor]

next patch duskwalker

what holding

[hexed frost]

Yeah 45 sec vendetta?

[balmy condor]

well

maybe not that low

[hexed frost]

tormentors too

[balmy condor]

but def a minute

[cobalt pelican]

1. me (50k)
2. fistingcuffer (5k)
3. combuest (1k)

[balmy condor]

poggers

big pumps bro

[brazen zodiac]

:)

[whole mason]

theoretical limit for V is 45sec...

wait, we pairing V for sepsis when using NF?

[arctic walrus]

@oak sky

[oak sky]

the champ back at it

[lucid birch]

Love theoretical limits

[balmy condor]

wait until you hear about light bro

shit is wild

[lucid birch]

[hexed frost]

@balmy condor yes ,right?

[ebon notch]

You send sepsis on cd

You send vendetta on cd

They will line up on pull and at 3 mins

[whole mason]

i was talking about 9.2 tho

[slow marsh]

yep

[surreal prism]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1267189571?t=01h46m27s

[ebon notch]

So was I

How exactly would it line up at 3 mins if vendetta is a 2 min cd?

[dawn ivy]

dusk

its a 1 minute cooldown now

[ebon notch]

Yes exactly...

[dawn ivy]

....

so

0

1

2

3

[ebon notch]

We're saying the same thing bro

Read up for context

[dawn ivy]

okayokay

you had it as a question so i was confused

[ebon notch]

I should've said "how else"

[dawn ivy]

nah im adhd i coulda read

trying to panic pick league lobby

[whole mason]

yes, you're right. i think i wasn't thinking

[median silo]

Any 1 have a fix for the tara weak aura? it isn't showing anything

[balmy condor]

what tara weak aura

[median silo]

Shows the groups anima powers

[balmy condor]

I didn't even know that was a thing

[surreal prism]

Open the wa, go to info, copy the link and see if there is an update

[wind hull]

how's assassin nowadays>

[bleak sky]

good

[wind hull]

ok

obedience a good leggo?

[bleak sky]

for m+ yes, for raid it's not the best but 2nd best

[wind hull]

nice thank you

friendly community, not like those bastards in fel hammer

[oak sky]

LOL

he really said it

[wind hull]

im a DH main, fuck fel hammer man hate that discord

[glass tulip]

tough times out there

we're here to help :)

[bronze pike]

Lol, ya happy to help :)

[bleak sky]

fel hammer truly a cursed discord

[wind hull]

yeah, got bored of DH thinking of rerolling to rogue

outlaw pretty cool pulling a gun from nowhere

sub literally 1button spec

im kinda liking assassin more

[bleak sky]

it's a chill spec

takes some effort in m+ but chilling in raids

[wind hull]

constantly refreshing dots on multiple targets is kinda hard xD

[bleak sky]

not hard necessarily, it's just some effort

[wind hull]

how you manage the energy regen?

is it a bit lower than other two specs?

[echo geyser]

u have infinite energy if u have enough dots rolling

on sin that is

~5?

[oak sky]

yuh

its 5

[wind hull]

well, then i missed something

[echo geyser]

thinking about sin, it always seems so lucrative to play in m+ but at the same time not

[oak sky]

if only it did damage

[echo geyser]

garret garret garret garret CT fok fok rupture fok rupture

[oak sky]

tbh the prio could be really good next tier

[echo geyser]

fok envenom

[oak sky]

might be a competitor

[echo geyser]

if only it was doing 40k after 3 garrets tho

[oak sky]

😔

i miss musclebrah

[wind hull]

do you dot on 5+ targets?

[echo geyser]

hes mage main

i followed his path

[oak sky]

you always dot as many targets as possible for aoe

but for prio st damage you just maintain 5

[wind hull]

ah

[junior rampart]

Buff ruptures please.

[oak sky]

theres a lot of things they could do to give us better aoe in the future tbh

a cd that does something in aoe, ct baseline, just numbers tuning like you mentioned

talent changes

[junior rampart]

Sometimes I find it all funny, spend the whole time spreading bleeds and poisons on mobs and CT etc and still you are in 3rd or 4th place in dps list in m+.

[wind hull]

meanwhile a monk and sub spamming 1 button and doing gigadps

[junior rampart]

But can't beat a monk or fmage

A 220 fmage can outdps 250ilvl assa in aoe. It's funny.

[empty hinge]

I don’t think ppl get a rogue in m+ for big dam tbh

[bleak sky]

yeah it's just prio + good utility

[junior rampart]

I understand your point of view but it feels nice to see some good dmg.

[bleak sky]

you do good damage

good boss damage / good cleave

[junior rampart]

Yea I agree

[bleak sky]

doing aoe is not why you're there

[junior rampart]

Yes, not aoe

[wind hull]

overall a fun spec to play

[junior rampart]

Definitely it's a fun spec. I will not play another spec. Always a sinner.

[wind hull]

not gonna lie i hate sin rogues while leveling in wotlk

surprise mf and a undead rogue pops out of nowhere

[solid mica]

played duskwalker in a ToP, was real hot

[oak sky]

on ptr?

[solid mica]

na just retail

[oak sky]

interesting

[solid mica]

have vendetta for like every pack

only gettin better

[hexed frost]

Not surprising. Doomblade and Duskwalker are really good for PF and ToP

[oak sky]

people have been trying shit for a while but tbh I think obedience is just better

for now

[solid mica]

the cdr from obedience on ST is awful imo

[bleak sky]

getting to 19 stacks

[solid mica]

srsly

[oak sky]

minalba is next week good for keys

[bleak sky]

HELL YE BROTHER

WE CLIMB

[oak sky]

is it a good tyran push

[bleak sky]

WE RISE

THE BEST TYR PUSH

[oak sky]

oh shit

maybe i play the game

[bleak sky]

I'll try to get 2750 and delete the rogue

[solid mica]

why 2750

[bleak sky]

pretty number and idk if getting to 2800 is doable

too much io in a week

[jade minnow]

Copycat

[oak sky]

@bleak sky wait do you raid on dh and rogue in 2 separate guilds

or ru maining dh

[bleak sky]

I wanna raid in 2 places

[oak sky]

huh

[bleak sky]

I don't like having my characters so far apart in gear/prog idk

having the "prog: 5/10M
main: 10/10M"
or something like that on raiderio tooltip makes me sadge

[oak sky]

damn

[glass tulip]

10/10H
main: 10/10M

wear it proud

[oak sky]

my alt got 10/10H the day it hit 60

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

[glass tulip]

I didnt have an alt before lol

[bleak sky]

guildies?

[oak sky]

yeah they were doing a rat run

[bleak sky]

having guildies help out with alt gearing is so good ngl

[glass tulip]

I got a warlock level 1 to 237 ilvl in 3 days

[oak sky]

so i finished off leveling and joined the raid

[glass tulip]

2 mil gold down the drain

[bleak sky]

"wanna bring a 189 character to a 15?" YEP

[oak sky]

lol a 189

[bleak sky]

it's so nice fr fr fr fr

[oak sky]

try 155

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

and i still died later than most people on sylv

[bleak sky]

cmon agreon you didnt even try gearing it

[oak sky]

well yeah

i hit 60 like 5min after the raid was supposed to start

[bleak sky]

jesus

that's a RAT rat

[oak sky]

i almost got the kt staff

[jade minnow]

Why gearing lock, dude

[oak sky]

rolled a 95 then the mf took it for tmog

[bleak sky]

get rolled

[glass tulip]

main alt for 9.2

[hexed frost]

I wear to god i'm gonna lose my head if one more guild officer asks me to play sub

[oak sky]

mage up in here

[glass tulip]

I want to have 2 raid ready toons

[oak sky]

lol fuck being raid ready

im just tryna game

actually i sort of want to bring in mage in guild runs