assassination

[nocturne geode]

i ran m+ leggo in kt once

on accident

xD

[spice spire]

I’ve a really bad habit of forgetting legendaries

I ran no legendary on a few fights aka obedience as Necrolord

We int slightly

[gusty mirage]

Smh, I’ve totally never accidentally ran dashing in top before

Nope not me

[spice spire]

At least it’s a legendary

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-interview-close-call-barely-yeah-gif-5236051

[spice spire]

Literally obedience Necro is nothing

Envenom damage

[gusty mirage]

You missed my double rogue shenanigans last night

[spice spire]

Matters a lot in xav wing promise

[nocturne geode]

were they l33t?

[spice spire]

Double rogue actually kinda chill for most keys

Or you mean pvp?

Because that’s just rude

[gusty mirage]

The guy purposefully let casts go off and closked them so I’d die

[nocturne geode]

[gusty mirage]

So he could beat me by 800 dps as necro sin

[alpine latch]

When I went from Obe to Dashing I think I only gained like 47 DPS

[nocturne geode]

i bet the look on your face was priceless

[gusty mirage]

Well then I found out who this individual is

And it made so much more sense

[gusty mirage]

Obedience is a 120dps loss for me

https://tenor.com/view/gato-limpiando-limpiando-una-ventana-limpieza-gato-limpia-vidrios-gif-14526462

[alpine latch]

Yeah, you're built different

[spice spire]

Necro sin superiority :>

[alpine latch]

I'm 246 item level with like 3 252 items

You're almost fully BiS

[gusty mirage]

It was a winky face

;>

[spice spire]

Oh my apologies

[alpine latch]

IDK how I feel about the new rotation in 9.2

I'm considering being a Switcher

Don't hate me guys

[gusty mirage]

I messaged my friend that invited me to that key and I told her the next time she decides to bring me in with her m+ mushbrain friends count me out

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay friend, play what you enjoy

It is a game after all and you should be having fun

Unless it’s kyrian sin, don’t do that

[alpine latch]

lol

Supposedly the Sub set is fun

And going to be strong

[nocturne geode]

yea dont be like me going against the meta

[alpine latch]

so I might check that out next tier

[nocturne geode]

🙂

spoke nf into existance while i was playing it now i gotta play kyrian

[gusty mirage]

First part of this sentence is okay… the 2nd part though?

[nocturne geode]

hahaha 😄

may or may not be trolling

[slow marsh]

Maybe if we had any interaction with CP spent then I'd explore it more but alas

A 7cp rupture is the same as a 4/5p

[hollow river]

more envenoms

[tight ginkgo]

Night Fae is 80 baby

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-costanza-george-down-gif-8379643

[gusty mirage]

Comp stomp or torgies?

[tight ginkgo]

A bit of both

[gusty mirage]

I stopped at 75

I just couldn’t do it anymore lmao

[slow marsh]

i should do some comp stomps during some league games this weekend or soemthing

[hollow escarp]

afk leechers

[tight ginkgo]

Farming vault for trinket as much as I did trained me for this

[gusty mirage]

It’s literally impossible to lose

[hollow escarp]

but you could win in 2 min, not 10

[gusty mirage]

True, brothers in suffering

This weekend I finish my grind

Then I might as well finish necro and kyrian while I’m at it

Necro’s at 74 or 75 kyrians at 79

[tight ginkgo]

Everything is now at 80 for me

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Why do you hate yourself, muse?

[gusty mirage]

Nonsense, you’re a gigachad gamer

[gusty mirage]

The only person who ran vault more than I did

[tight ginkgo]

My therapist asks me that, too.

[gusty mirage]

The hustle never stops

[tight ginkgo]

[gusty mirage]

We use the rng sadness to cope with rl sadness

[tight ginkgo]

If I have to feel that kind of painge i wanna do it to myself

[spice spire]

Bro? You good?

Bordering NSFW talk

[tight ginkgo]

[ruby scroll]

what do you guys think is the go to covernent for next patch raiding? 🙂

[gusty mirage]

Fae

[ruby scroll]

realy cool with doomblade i guess?

[gusty mirage]

Duskwalkers when you get the 4pc

[ruby scroll]

oh nice to know thank you 🙂

[gusty mirage]

[dim tide]

so basically - switch to NF with 2p(doomblade) and then with 4p switch doom to duskwalkers?

[subtle kiln]

i have all 4 done on warrior and rogue.

[tight ginkgo]

that's pain

[gusty mirage]

You can safely stay venthyr until you get the 4pc and unlock double legendary if you want

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

there's sims in the pins that show every step in power for each covenant

[gusty mirage]

Early in the tier looking like venthyr

[hollow river]

fae (atm) doesn't seem to pull ahead until 4p and double leggo

iirc

[gusty mirage]

U rite

[hollow river]

what leggo are the venth sims using

before 4p

does it say

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr’s using obedience for single leggo

And dashing/obe for 2pc double leggo

[hollow river]

ahh

[ruby scroll]

thanks guys u helped me a lot 😄

[spice spire]

Mister scath, are you okay

[brazen zodiac]

morning cuties (:

[spice spire]

Like mentally; you good?

GM vita

[brazen zodiac]

i had a dream a world first guild asked me to trial but told me it was professional so no cursing

then i said that's fucking rad then they said nvm

based

Whats poppin quakeroats

[spice spire]

Work

Our system has been fucked all week due to updates

[brazen zodiac]

that's not fuckin rad

the system we use has been down for like 2 weeks

which is super cringe our identity relies on that lmfao

[dense bramble]

why are we going to craft leggos in trinkets?

instead of armor pieces

[brazen zodiac]

we're not lol i think the sims are just like that rn because they can't sim the actual leggos on slots

like i think there's an issue with the unity leggo in sims

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr just added the legendary effects to the trinkets because it’s easier to compare/read

[dense bramble]

oh that makes me feel dumb

thank you

[brazen zodiac]

oh my God it's oxi

so cool

[gusty mirage]

Must be looking in the mirror because I wake up every day and pray I can be half as cool as you are on your worst days

[subtle kiln]

the longer you stay here the dumber you get. just the effect this place has.

[brazen zodiac]

hey feel smart cuz u realized it

listen here soldier ur so cool u break the cool scale meters by a mile

sooo cool

u can't beat that cool dude

[gusty mirage]

Nah don’t let it, it’s a bit advanced to be able to sim it like that so if you didn’t know it was possible it’d be confusing

[gusty mirage]

But you can, because you do it every day

[brazen zodiac]

u makin my goblin rogue blush u gotta stop

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

bouta parse pink with all that positivity

im lookin at a nice 95+ parse on m sylv when she dies pog

should be any day now zzzzz it's gonna be either me or her lmfao

[gusty mirage]

• a dagger + the mount

[brazen zodiac]

pffftttt plz id expect her to come out irl and step on me tit before she gives me a dagger

[gusty mirage]

Your rogue after the kill:

[hollow river]

we killed her for the 3rd time last night

we got like 5 rings

[brazen zodiac]

trust me the dagger gonna drop for the other rogue

[hollow river]

and i didn't get one

[brazen zodiac]

who's doing 5k dps overall

[gusty mirage]

I got my first piece of loot after 7 kills

[brazen zodiac]

vs me

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Aren’t you 6 ilvl trinket off of bis?

[gusty mirage]

It was the belt I already had

[hollow river]

i got chest from vault this week

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

i got mount on my first kill

[brazen zodiac]

?

yo

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

yall bugging me next wtf

trickz u gotta get me in tell them im an anime girl irl

that's worked for like 3 guilds already

[hollow river]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

I can’t get the mount from the vault @spice spire

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

True

[brazen zodiac]

based anime girl

look i even have a based anime pfp

[hollow river]

you can have mine just bless my vault again this week king

[spice spire]

Hunter getting the bow vs oxi getting the mount

[hollow river]

our ret pally is quitting

[brazen zodiac]

ive never seen that bow drop once lol

[gusty mirage]

All the homies getting daggies

[hollow river]

i'll ask

[spice spire]

You’re getting a sylv piece in vault this week

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

vita

[brazen zodiac]

omg

tell em

anime bitch

u know my discord

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[gusty mirage]

Notrickz is a homie you better not let him down

[hollow river]

you're in our discord server

[brazen zodiac]

oh right xd

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

maybe they'll let our other rogue reroll

he wants to play sp or boomie next tier

[alpine latch]

nice

We're trying to move melee to ranged

Especially the underperforming melee

[hollow river]

well

[brazen zodiac]

next raid tier kinda based for melee idk

[hollow river]

if they're underperforming on melee

they'll likely underperform on ranged

[alpine latch]

Oh they will

[hollow river]

we're trying not to have that many rerolls

[alpine latch]

But they'll be on add duty

[hollow river]

because good players will play worse if they reroll

[brazen zodiac]

maybe

[hollow river]

while they get used to the new class at least

[alpine latch]

My guild's goal is 6/12M next tier

[subtle kiln]

some do better, they actually see what’s going on. others not so much.

[brazen zodiac]

it's pretty easy to learn how to play another class imo

[alpine latch]

Yeah, ranged tends to be a bit easier. Just follow the crowd and you win

[brazen zodiac]

unless discords aren't as well put together as the ravenhold one

[gusty mirage]

That’s a good goal

[hollow river]

some people just don't know how to deal with mechanics as ranged

[gusty mirage]

You’ll get it

[hollow river]

some fights have a completely different set of mechanics for ranged

[brazen zodiac]

ppfft with them good looks u def 10/10 next tier

[gusty mirage]

That’s why baby Jesus invented cheat death

[hollow river]

some stuff is harder to dodge while a lot is easier

[alpine latch]

Yeah, hopefully. With me being RL it's the first time we've ever even killed Mythic bosses. I have zero faith in our current RL but I need them to shit the bed to take it over

[gusty mirage]

Oh you said ranged

[brazen zodiac]

take over palmer

absolute government take over

storm their discord and demand ur position

[spice spire]

I’m not a good raid lead.
I just wanna blast

[gusty mirage]

I’ll 21st man for you

[subtle kiln]

and then realize how shit it is to RL from melee and reroll BM hunter

[gusty mirage]

Just buy me hichew

[brazen zodiac]

it's already hard pressing buttons imagine having to tell people to watch their feet

and press buttons at the same time oh ma god

[alpine latch]

In Nyalotha I was the #1 damage and RL. I went Warlock in CN because we didn't have one and RL'd and was top 3 (and I was a shit-tier warlock)

[gusty mirage]

Oh yeah if someone’s struggling just have them reroll BM hunter

[spice spire]

Im worried about some toxi nonsense

[alpine latch]

Now I'm #1 DPS and do like 1/3 of the in-fight call outs anyway

[gusty mirage]

It’s actually very difficult to be bad at BM

[alpine latch]

Naw, just sit at focus cap the entire fight

EZ

[gusty mirage]

Your pets still do 60% of your damage

[spice spire]

I can do call outs - but like every call out

[gusty mirage]

[wary ice]

sucha vibe

[gusty mirage]

Wdym I’m a god damn professional

[spice spire]

🧢

[copper sundial]

My bm hunter got the bow last night, time to change mains.

[spice spire]

Lest we speak to your mortal enemy

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[gusty mirage]

Call a dude an asshole in an email ONCE and tell them to stop swinging their dick and suddenly you’re unprofessional

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

LOL

it's really unprofessional to ask people to stop swinging their dick you have no idea what they're going through

maybe it helps them focus on their work god

[gusty mirage]

Okay on second thought maybe you’re right @spice spire

[spice spire]

You’ve seen the logs

You think you’d not flame?

[brazen zodiac]

what logs

are they based

[gusty mirage]

I’d never flame people when RLing

[spice spire]

No

I don’t either - seems counterproductive

[brazen zodiac]

if the RL ripping on you it's gg

[brazen zodiac]

for sure

[slow marsh]

my RL rips people all the time

[brazen zodiac]

it's one thing to yk make changes and give constructive cristism but

[gusty mirage]

Mine does too, it’s hilarious

[slow marsh]

it's a team builder

[brazen zodiac]

ive seen some wild shit be tossed around

[spice spire]

That’s pretty bad raid leading tbh - creates unnecessary anxiety.

There’s a difference between someone messing up and saying - yo, you messed up here, gotta do better. Compared to just lighting them up

[brazen zodiac]

epic team building activity

[slow marsh]

Then all of a sudden people aren't in the discord any more and everyone's like lmao that guy sucked

[hollow river]

some people don't like being flamed, even if it's joking

[brazen zodiac]

it does kinda make it hard to focus ig

for some people at least

[slow marsh]

But na there's a difference between outright flaming people and ripping them when they do stupid shit

[brazen zodiac]

meh

[slow marsh]

Like when you do stupid shit you deserve to be called out for it

[spice spire]

Yeah, I meme hard on people and like when they say some dumb shit (unrelated) but try to do better

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but I wouldn't say you'd want em to feel bad for it

[spice spire]

You shouldn’t be lit up for it. Imo.

[slow marsh]

maybe not in wr 2k guilds cuz like who cares at that point but then again that's why it's wr 2k so

[spice spire]

But, if it’s continuous, that’s a bench

[gusty mirage]

YIKES

[brazen zodiac]

oxi

[gusty mirage]

Elitistbladesx

[brazen zodiac]

ham or steak for breakfast

[slow marsh]

[gusty mirage]

I don’t eat swine, so I’d default for steak

[brazen zodiac]

LOL

[slow marsh]

bro how is that elitist though, people don't get better unless you raise the bar to some degree

[brazen zodiac]

fried ham is just Canadian bacon

it's tasty

some salt, pepper, throw that shit in with ur cooking eggs

HEALTHY nutritious breakfast

[spice spire]

There’s a difference in raising the bar and ridiculing.

If I have issues with someone’s performance I’ll dm them either during raid break, or after.

[slow marsh]

There are a lot of bad players that could be decent players if they weren't just allowed to be bad all the time ya know what I mean

[brazen zodiac]

True

sometimes people do just need to be told to play better tbh

[slow marsh]

Ye and you can do that without flaming

[brazen zodiac]

it's easy just say play better

[spice spire]

But even I come across as… cross, sometimes, I guess Is a good way of putting it. Because I do generally come across as jovial

[brazen zodiac]

u ain't always on ur a game

[spice spire]

But can be serious

[slow marsh]

like i'm not saying you call people an effing idiot in the middle of raid that's toxic

[hollow river]

yes but a lot of that comes to how much time and effort those people want to put into getting better themselves.

i mean yeah they need to know if it's necessary, but many people just don't care

[brazen zodiac]

idk if ur srs on progging through mythic early im sure u gotta be up front about performance

just can't be that based about it

[hollow river]

ye for sure

[spice spire]

Yeah

I’m in a pretty casual guild.
That went through major roster issues.
We now have like 28 raiders.
So next tier gonna be rough when I get to say “yo, you’re not in”

[brazen zodiac]

happens

im sure guilds sit people out if their class doesn't perform well on the fight

id never play a class where it isn't meta in every fight idk

seems sooo lame

[gusty mirage]

Why you gotta call me out like this

Wtf man

[spice spire]

You’re not still playing Necro tho

[gusty mirage]

Whatever I already cheated on y’all

I played kyrian sub for painsmith and fatescribe

See ya losers

[brazen zodiac]

the other rogue in my guild is kyrian sub

but only doing 6k overall :(

[hollow river]

ouch

on every fight?

or just like painsmith and sylv

[brazen zodiac]

well he switched for sylv to try it out but

probs just comes down to him not knowing how to play the spec tbh

[hollow river]

yeah he's probably just scuffing his CDs or something

[subtle kiln]

odd time to switch specs. but yeah that fight is just maximizing cd timings and can be punishing for anyone not doing so

[brazen zodiac]

he's always been sub just tried kyrian cuz i told him kyrian sub is based

i thought he'd do more deeps but ig not

[subtle kiln]

venthy sub is good for that fight. especially if he’s used it it.

[brazen zodiac]

im sure

the kyrian signature ability seems junky

[subtle kiln]

way to set them up to fail and shit talk them in discord. lol

[pure moth]

Lol

[brazen zodiac]

uh what

these are his words not mine yo

relax urself ty

[subtle kiln]

you’re calling out his dps and giving him bad advice

[brazen zodiac]

telling him to go kyrian rogue is bad advice?

[gusty mirage]

Kyr phial is nice

[subtle kiln]

if you’re progging on sylv yes

you play what you know

[brazen zodiac]

pretty sure it's good to learn whats best for the spec but yk

[gusty mirage]

Yeah switching spec/cov on prog is yikers

[subtle kiln]

and not fuck up timings for everyone else

[brazen zodiac]

and besides i didn't hold a gun to his head and make him switch so

[gusty mirage]

Also tbf it’s also on that dude for switching lmao

[brazen zodiac]

he been wanting to do it for a hot minute

but by all means go ape shit without any information or context

[subtle kiln]

you haven’t seen ape shit if that bothers you. lol

[brazen zodiac]

i mean ur just acting like an animal rn is all. not rly bothering me

anyways

[brazen zodiac]

going nerco now thx for the advice king

[tight ginkgo]

kyrian sub is pretty chill compared to venth but

[brazen zodiac]

yeah? idk the rotation at all lmfao

idefk what the kyrian ability does something something combo points cool moves something something

[hollow river]

i switched to sub mid sylv prog but i switched back pretty quickly

just didn't like the timings always making you hold shit

[brazen zodiac]

i wanted to learn sub but every time i check out the channel and the faq it seems super overwhelming

[tight ginkgo]

just read the method guide honestly. It is 11 out of 10.

[hollow river]

it's actually pretty easy in practice

[brazen zodiac]

oh yeah?

[hollow river]

just have to get used to your dance charges etc

[tight ginkgo]

And ah... to be able to talk about sylv prog in past tense. Must be nice

[spice spire]

Yeah, but vouch on push’s guide

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

xddd

[brazen zodiac]

Whats the diff? u mean the trinket right?

[hollow river]

naw the 2nd cov ability

[brazen zodiac]

oh?

[hollow river]

like door of shadows and NF's blink

kyrian gets 3 charges of a healing pot

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but is it as based as those two

[hollow river]

it gets rid of a lot of debuffs

yeah it's pretty dope

it gets rid of chain stacks on M sylv

[tight ginkgo]

on sylv is a "get out of jail free" card for the arrow debuff stacks

[hollow river]

ye

[brazen zodiac]

oh isn't that cool for the puddles on sylv

[hollow river]

not sure

[tight ginkgo]

i usually just use it on phase one and that's your one use you get. Not really much need on p3 in my experience

[brazen zodiac]

ah

[fiery fable]

is venth still the go-to cov as of rn?

[spice spire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

Yeah, until you get double legendary & the 4pc venthyr is the play

[brazen zodiac]

staby staby

[hexed frost]

Assuming energy isn't the issue, is it worth rupturing adds that will live 5-6 seconds max? Can i just envenom them instead?

[gusty mirage]

you could snipe them with a low cp rupture for the giga energy refill but that's like min-maxing to the umpteenth degree

realistically, you're probably better off just envenoming assuming energy isn't an issue (which in aoe it never is if you have bleeds up on everything)

[hexed frost]

Take the small ghosts in ToP on a tyrannical for eg. Once i put my subterfuged garrotes, CT and first few ruptures, the other DDs had already brought down adds to 10-15% HP, so i felt it would be better just envenoming them because at that point i'm with full energy usually

[hexed frost]

Yeah i got that part. But there are few places with very low HP adds which literally insta die so i was wondering

[gusty mirage]

yeah you're probably just better off envenoming at that point

more snd time + envenom uptime, poison stonks

[bleak sun]

Ye for snd +build CP for the two guys just after

[glass tulip]

finally got it done

class mount getter

[cerulean nest]

any tips for p2 sylv? I assume just dot both up and dump into prio on add platforms. fan if I'm around orbs etc. anything else?

[viscid spear]

What made them decide to have the class mounts be so varied? Like Rogues have their base mount but can buy 3 different variants, and classes like Mage/DK have one mount that changes based on spec.

[glass tulip]

not sure, at least the spec mounts for rogue are free now

instead of having to fully upgrade your artifact weapon

[whole mason]

The only thing I remembered for P2 Sylv is to dodge wave

[cerulean nest]

lmao thanks

[whole mason]

and use your potion with your 1st V

[balmy condor]

I’m glad you noticed that jab

[whole mason]

So Fae is now the most promising one?

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Yes

[whole mason]

Well, now i need to learn something new maybe

[whole mason]

Thank you! You're wonderful!

[strange python]

😳

[whole mason]

BTW, not sure if i can ask about this here, but is it confirmed that sin is like 1k below sub on current PTR on ST?

[slow marsh]

tuning isn't done

[whole mason]

i know that tuning isn't done

[slow marsh]

so what's the point

[spice spire]

You can check sims for current numbers - I wouldn’t be invested in anything until there’s a release candidate though.

Lot of changes can happen

[slow marsh]

chances are sub gets nerfed if anything so even if the answer is yes it doesnt' really matter

[whole mason]

it's just different people evaluate situations differently as i'm just asking...

[slow marsh]

Well then yes sub is about 1.5k over sin for current sims which are still a work in progress and apl changes still pending

[balmy condor]

Sub is much stronger currently

We’re still waiting to see the nerfs that are coming

[whole mason]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

Question of when, not if

[spice spire]

Yeah, I’d check sims for current numbers.

Just saying it’s not currently worth evaluating as it’s not finalized. And until then it’s hard to get a picture for the reality of 9.2. Numbers are nice to see trends, but I wouldn’t take them as gospel until it’s a release candidate.

[slow marsh]

Ye and I'm wondering how they'll go about it too

[whole mason]

The thing is that in whole 9.x some specs are not so much nerfed considering their OP status until quite a delayed 9.x5 version. Certainly devs have already said something about nerfing sub in the post thread. Knowing how much behind helps me understand the situation. That's merely my concerns. I'm not going to shit anything anywhere about current numbers.

[spice spire]

Oh gotcha - makes more sense then.
I know vhispyr keeps the list up for sin pretty well.
I’m pretty sure fuu has it kept up as well.
Unless another optimization or buff/nerf happens, these are the numbers we’re presented with

[whole mason]

Yes, thanks to fuu. the only thing is fuu's list is a bit difficult to find 0.0

[spice spire]

I hadn’t looked

You’re right

Vhispyr making sure it’s pinned is a blessing

[whole mason]

bookmark his google sheet solves many problems:Prayge:

[kindred rapids]

Doesn't seem like tier set nerfs alone will be enough to bring sin and sub inline

Their set is about 23% currently, would have to go to like 10%

[frosty cedar]

sub set is bonker wonker

[hollow river]

and it likely will

the devs seem to want all the set bonuses in that range

[kindred rapids]

Thought they were targeting more like 15%

[hollow river]

no

they're targeting the 10% range

[kindred rapids]

Will be interesting to see how they nerf sub tier that much

4pc shadow strikes do 30% dmg or something

[slow marsh]

There's a reason why it's been a bit quiet I thinks

[strange python]

sub set gonna get bonked for sure

[brazen zodiac]

[whole mason]

for some reason, the current sub sets are difficult to nerf imo

[slow marsh]

Indeed it is. That's why i'm interested to see how it'll end up being

[gusty mirage]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[rotund oak]

anyone from U.S on PTR atm?How much ping u got

[brazen zodiac]

it was fine for me when i was on about a half hour ago

around 60ish

[rotund oak]

cheers thx

[brazen zodiac]

any time pal

[jaunty kayak]

if i want to craft duskwalker on ring, but to use it now in pvp , and then in pve in 9.2 (yes, im one of those) , is it worth crafting a 262 with haste(crit?)/vers to have for pvp now + 9.2 or craft separate rings for pve/pvp ?

[bleak sky]

you're gonna have to recraft anyway so idk

[jaunty kayak]

isnt dusk gonna stay as a ring anyway? or are there speculations of it also changing?

[spice spire]

Ilvl will probably go up

So you’d have to redraft anyway, yeah?

[bleak sky]

I meant upgrade but yeah

idk I wouldn't bother crafting anything right now

[tight ginkgo]

i have one of every legendary with every stat combination crafted rn. Gotta catch em all, y'know?

That was definitely a lie but lol imagine

[viscid spear]

I'm sure there's plenty of people that crafted every leggo with every stat combo on every possible slot

[tight ginkgo]

Phew sounds expensive

[viscid spear]

But still possible

[desert wagon]

So had a super geared rogue tell me that as Necro you open with bone spike instead of garrote or ambush on single target, is that true or he trolling me? Lol

[viscid spear]

Necro
ST

[desert wagon]

He said bone spike, snd, garrote, mutilate, vendetta, shiv and go from there with mutilate envenom

ST?

[viscid spear]

Single Target, why is he Necro?

[bleak sky]

sbs, snd, muti, garrote, rupture, vendetta, shiv, vanish

[viscid spear]

Are we talking raid boss or 1v1 training dummy?

[desert wagon]

Raid boss

[balmy condor]

Minal’s got it

[viscid spear]

I suppose I'd wonder why he would be Necro in ST, but yeah Minal's got the opener

[desert wagon]

Idk I went Necro cause I was not enjoying flaggilation gameplay

[viscid spear]

Well how do you feel about Sepsis?

[desert wagon]

It's ok my other rogue that's sub is night fea

[viscid spear]

Might want to get Fae up on your Sin

[balmy condor]

Your… other rogue

[desert wagon]

Idk I have noticed my sustain as Necro is higher then my sustain as ven but my burst is weaker for sure

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

I have 3 total
Only play the one

[balmy condor]

But why

[desert wagon]

I have 4 rogues at 60 but my assassination rogue is pve only

[balmy condor]

Wtf

[sonic schooner]

I'm sure it was for 90

9.0

I have 3 rogues, main, alt for low pvp, and one just to wander around doing nothing

[desert wagon]

Idk I have seen a very noticable increase in damage done and dps in raid since going Necro

[sonic schooner]

[balmy condor]

I mean I can kind of understand 9.0

Because like

Muh covenants

[bleak sky]

logs would help maybe

[viscid spear]

Getting back to the discussion, Fae is looking real good for Sin in 9.2 so I'd recommend leveling that up now while we're in the content lull

[balmy condor]

But I can’t imagine leveling more rogues

[bleak sky]

leveling

insta 60 babyyyyyyyy

[desert wagon]

What's the 9.2 change that makes night fea strong?

[limber lion]

all of them

[bleak sky]

(tier set good)

[sonic schooner]

Ceverion gameplay making 9.2 rogues looking good

🙄

[viscid spear]

I'd use one on one of my other Rogues but idk if I'd have it ready for my Alli guild in time for Sepulcher

[desert wagon]

Everything I have been reading online is ven will be best but all covs will be fairly close in power

[limber lion]

"Everything"

as in

[spice spire]

Playing correctly makes rogue look good indeed

[limber lion]

where?

because that's not true and not what anyone in here is saying

[bleak sky]

noxxic guides be wild

[balmy condor]

Wowmeta.com/oppoggerscrazy

[desert wagon]

Wow-head, icy viens, forums

[spice spire]

How did that not hit filter

[limber lion]

Wowhead?

[viscid spear]

We're part of that "everything" but we also do research extensively

[spice spire]

Considering wowhead writer is right here

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

I’m orange, filters are above me

[spice spire]

Unsure about that

[sonic schooner]

Outlaw loaded dice 4set fae is bis

[balmy condor]

Below?

[bleak sky]

wowhead guide is useless quake haven't you heard?

[balmy condor]

I’m above?

[bleak sky]

discord is better

[spice spire]

Below yeah ;P

[sonic schooner]

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Just outting myself as a bottom

[limber lion]

to fuu's filter as well

[spice spire]

Papi I’m a top and I’m ready

[brazen zodiac]

sup cev

[limber lion]

[viscid spear]

Whispyr your guide is apparently outdated, fix this immediately

[brazen zodiac]

quakeroats

[subtle tundra]

maaaan i want to push m+ but exams starting this weeeeeeeeek:((((

[brazen zodiac]

priorities varas

......

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

u know what u need to do

[viscid spear]

This anonymous rogue cites your guide as reference, for shame

[bleak sky]

yknow Varas you can retake classes at any time

[subtle tundra]

seeing people in high keys makes me very sad

[bleak sky]

but you gotta wait a whole cyccle for good push week

so

the choice is pretty clear

[scenic osprey]

no whispyr is the goddess u dont talk like that

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but u could be that person in high keys

and not be sad

so go gogogo

[balmy condor]

It’s okay, double lego article soon

And I shit on deathspike

[viscid spear]

[bleak sky]

[brazen zodiac]

[balmy condor]

True!

[viscid spear]

🌆

[spice spire]

Bro?

[balmy condor]

You want a sneak peak?

[brazen zodiac]

deathshite

amiright

[spice spire]

I don’t

But I do

[nocturne geode]

[viscid spear]

The Arbiter is disappointed

[balmy condor]

Wrong its

But ya know

[spice spire]

Bro

[scenic osprey]

ooops

wrong icon

[spice spire]

Why you gotta murder my homie heirmir like that

[slow marsh]

marileth *

[viscid spear]

Everyone just go Frost Mage

[bleak sky]

no

we melee

[slow marsh]

🥲

[viscid spear]

This is the way

[balmy condor]

Just deathspike

:)

[spice spire]

[small nymph]

How'd you guys level renown fast xd?

[limber lion]

Torghast

[bleak sky]

layer 9 torghast

[vestal wren]

pvp vs. ai, torghast

[limber lion]

Also just playing the game with the covenant on

[small nymph]

Torghast 😢

[bleak sky]

m+? play fae
boosting raid? play fae
main raid? play fae

[small nymph]

Fair enough

[desert wagon]

so 9.2 all covs are wrong night fea is the way

?

[bleak sky]

not wrong, but fae is ahead

[desert wagon]

im assuming a lot has to do with the double lego? i figured ven would push ahead tbh but i dont even know what the sepsis lego does haha

[limber lion]

Double lego and tier set.

[bleak sky]

tier set stronk

[desert wagon]

ill have to find the tier set then i have not really looked much into 9.2 since i just got back a few weeks ago been focused on current stuff

ah so is the 4 set in combo with the sepsis lego that makes it good? was just looking at the bonuses and stuff

[copper sundial]

2 set mostly

[frosty cedar]

how is night fae in 2 + target compared to vent

I cant imagine it being better

[desert wagon]

how does the 25% crit chance to bleeds help sepsis thats says its poisen?

[frosty cedar]

set was changed since then

its now 40% bleed and poison dmg in shiv

[desert wagon]

oh where can i find updated info?

oh shit

i feel like that would still be solid for necro but i see why its so big for sepsis

[gusty mirage]

because it also cranks sepsis

and deathspike is useless in single target

thus necro is not as good

[copper sundial]

Miserable existence lol

[spice spire]

This is literally what Val says to take me out of the mood

[tulip kernel]

is it ok to use shiv at max cp?

[slow marsh]

[bleak sky]

yes

[tulip kernel]

ty

[oak sky]

tier tokens confirmed

[vestal wren]

exciting change for sure

[oak sky]

2 months on tier crafting tho

[surreal prism]

Yeah but it's backcharged

So you'll be able to create more pieces on your alt when it unlocks it

[oak sky]

ohhhh

[slow marsh]

The biggest take-away from this isn't even the tokens themselves though imo, it's the fact that they are yet again changing a shitty thing based on feedback

[oak sky]

its gonna be nice for alts

[slow marsh]

Good sign for sure

[oak sky]

ig it could get you higher ilvl pieces on main

if youre still stuck with heroic ilvl stuff

[slow marsh]

It'd only be like what mythic week 5 right

[surreal prism]

Yeah

[slow marsh]

So seems like ultra bad luck protection / crafting higher ilvl yeah

[oak sky]

i remember people saying the latest that it would be decent is a month into mythic

so i guess its not too bad

[nimble tartan]

there is a cap to the charges though right

or did they remove cap

[oak sky]

its probably 1 per week or something like that

[nimble tartan]

i thought there was a cap to total charges

[oak sky]

doubt

[nimble tartan]

neato

[oak sky]

the charges accumulate over time

and if you make an alt you just have all the charges insta

or so it appears

[surreal prism]

Yeah it doesn't sound like there is a cap, or if there is it's like 4, in which case it doesn't matter

[tulip kernel]

so dusk will replace scoundrel with 4 set next patch?

[slow marsh]

yes

[tulip kernel]

nice\

assuming itll go on ring slot?

[oak sky]

most likely

but not 100%

[slow marsh]

They did last second leggo slot changes last tier so can't say yes 100%

[tulip kernel]

is there a spot to read about opener for assass? im not seein anything in pins

[bleak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[bleak sky]

there ya go

[tulip kernel]

oh tyvm

[nocturne geode]

tokens back

[slow marsh]

old news bud

I do wonder how they'll split the classes though

[opaque mauve]

Same as always I guess

Rogue mage death knight , and Druid was it before ?

We were always on the 4 class token

[glass tulip]

I don't think it's split

The way I read it makes it seem like it will be "tier piece - head"

[slow marsh]

Na no way they do that right?

[surreal prism]

We can hope and pray

[glass tulip]

we’ve decided to have bosses drop Set slot tokens in Eternity’s End

We don’t want it to be more difficult for any particular player in any particular situation to get Set pieces from boss drops (and trades), especially as you go later into the patch

[strange python]

Aka: possibly learned a lesson from edge of night?

[dawn ivy]

LOL. no

[strange python]

:(

[potent dagger]

Does the venthyr pull ahead from NF on ST with master assasin instead of subt ?

[bleak sky]

no

master assassin isn't even in the conversation

necro seems to be the only one that might actually play master assassin and that's on M+ only

[viscid spear]

So is like previous tokens where each one is a group of classes?

[viscid spear]

Or this, idk if I like this

[subtle kiln]

we don’t know and won’t know until more info is provided from bliz or data mining.

[nocturne geode]

https://twitter.com/CaynaWoW/status/1487204046448599040

Cayna (@CaynaWoW)

@wakevajzet This is more for RWF don't worry

You can trade them. Just not funnel trade them.

If you have a tier helm you can trade a tier helm token

But if you don't have a tier helm, You can't

Twitter · Jan 28, 2022, 11:20 PM

[potent dagger]

Was asking since on the sims Whispyr stated that switching from MA to subt cost arround 150 dps to ventyr ^^

And since Haste scale so much with the tier set , Nadija give quite a bunch of it

[bleak sky]

did you read that correctly

the line saying

"base is with the same talents as the OPTIMIZED 4 piece sims"

[potent dagger]

Haven't seen the word base :p

Thanks for correcting my mistake ^^

[tulip kernel]

will we still be using scoundrel before 4 piece?

err double leggo

[potent dagger]

No , it seem to go Duskwalker

[bleak sky]

whispyrs sims have info on 2p no double leggo, 4p no double leggo, 2p double leggo and 4p double leggo, no tier double/single leggo

[balmy condor]

They’re being put to good use

[bleak sky]

nice effort loser

(i'll be using those thanks whisp)

[oak sky]

isnt it venthyr dashing/obe at start into nf dashing 2p then dusk at 4p

[bleak sky]

2p single leggo is still venthyr

[oak sky]

really?

[oak sky]

so it is

i can read

[bleak sky]

not an outlaw main

[oak sky]

oh

4p with dusk lets you sync sepsis with vendetta

more consistently

[bleak sky]

4p single leggo imma be playing necro watch me

[oak sky]

might be the play ngl

[desert wagon]

i personally like the way the necro ability plays im prob gonna stay necro no matter what just cause its more fun to play imo

[bleak sky]

if that justifies using a 0dps leggo for single target go for it

[spice spire]

Mr. minalba

it's not a 0 dps leggo

it's like a

10 dps leggo

2 extra spikes

[echo geyser]

what if we play emeni to buff the raid with deathspike 2 more LBE's

support rogue?

[spice spire]

Whispyr loves simming lbe

you should ask him about it

(don't this is very much a troll)

[echo geyser]

save that one for later

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

kevin for personal dam

[spice spire]

i'll just send you another cat picture when i take one for forgiveness mister ram fam

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

kevin is actually the play afaik

by like 10 dps

koji found a small gain

but a gain nonetheless

[echo geyser]

yeah figures with 2 extra spike more kevin

[brazen zodiac]

me too plz?

[fleet anchor]

Just wait until they rework Deathspike

Gonna be Kevins everywhere

[bleak sky]

[fleet anchor]

Make every cleave of Deathspike spawn a new Kevin

[bleak sky]

every kevin applies exsang to deathspike

[fleet anchor]

Although more seriously

It would be FANTASTIC if Kevin's damage actually worked correctly for AP-based melee

[viscid spear]

Just dual-wield Kevin

[fleet anchor]

Instead of only being useful for casters or melee with spell power coefficients

Kevin would win easily if it actually worked correctly for Rogues like it does for casters or like WW

[bleak sky]

Hopefully they'll fix it

[fleet anchor]

Kinda doubt it, that issue has been reported for a super long time 😦

[bleak sky]

gotta be hopeful

[nocturne geode]

[drowsy imp]

Can someone explain to me the whole pooling and usage of flagellation and vendetta?

I was looking at some parses and noticed that some ppl were holding flag to use with vendetta?

[balmy condor]

Flag on high cp into a finish

Sync flag and vend if you won’t miss a cast

Otherwise cooldowns on cooldown

[drowsy imp]

Wont miss a cast of flag? so if vendetta is up in 30 seconds, do i flag anyway?

[balmy condor]

If you hold flag, you delay all flags after that by the amount you held for

So instead of 0,1:30,3,4:30

Syncing would mean 0,2:00,4:00

So a 5 minute fight, you would lose a cast

On 4:30 you wouldn’t miss a cast, so you can sync

[drowsy imp]

ahh gotcha

that's why some of these top parses are syncing it-- shorter fights

what about pooling and shiv? right now im trying to get 4 CP and about 130-140 energy before hitting shiv then mutilate

[sour wraith]

don't hold shiv for specific energy thresholds, just use it when it comes off cd

if you want to pool, pool in the few seconds before it comes off cd

(assuming you don't need to refresh bleeds)

[drowsy imp]

thanks!

[upbeat tinsel]

What ilvl is the sim character from the Whispyr tier/lego interaction spreadsheet? Is that like with mythic gear from the next raid?

[oak sky]

its basically using current gear with effects slapped on it

[crystal lark]

does anyone have sims for sylv dagger vs 252 / 265 in both MH / OH on hand? 🙂

[bleak sky]

you can sim those yourself

change ilvl of a dagger in the simc string and there you go

[strange python]

if agi tea nadja?

[fathom flax]

I think it’s 259 edge of night offhand all tier

[bleak sky]

yes

[balmy condor]

Not for sin

That’s a sub thing

[fathom flax]

More of a switch tbh

[brazen zodiac]

whats poppin whisp

[whole bluff]

Whispyr is a savage lately, takes no shit from people with stupid questions

or that "Edward is it true you are an idiot" xd

[brazen zodiac]

whisps based

[balmy condor]

just lately?

[gray fjord]

[spice spire]

You take shit tho

[brazen zodiac]

he also takes shits

big ones too

sup quakeroats

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

[balmy condor]

whatchu looking at pirate hat looking headass

you lost?

[gray fjord]

At least I'm not an Asshead. Ooo, got 'em.

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[fleet anchor]

Zera is red he has no spec right?

[gray fjord]

At this point in the 9.2 PTR, nope.

[spice spire]

This is ass nation, mister red rogue

[brazen zodiac]

only the finest ass can be found here

[gray fjord]

🇺🇸

[whole bluff]

Pirates got that booty too 😉

[normal mist]

Bounty aswell!

[cerulean nest]

what other classes do you guys find fun, as rogue mains. im bored and wanna try something new

[brazen zodiac]

hunter sounds based

specifically survival

[oak sky]

mage

and mont

monk

[whole mason]

wait, so sylv dagger not for sin? I heard it was kinda op bis even for next patch.

[cerulean nest]

it does

[whole mason]

Feral

[cerulean nest]

thats what I previously mained

enjoyed it a lot but looking for something other than CPs/energy for a change

[brazen zodiac]

ah

[balmy condor]

it's good because it's 259, but a 246 sylv dagger from heroic loses to a 252 in mainhand

which means a 265 mainhand will beat a 259 sylv dagger mainhand too

and the 259 in offhand will get replaced slightly more

but like

it doesn't hold a candle to the 280's in raid

[kindred rapids]

252 even beats 246 in oh for me

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's not great for sin

[whole mason]

Many thanks. 👍

Any news on the new dagger? Maybe Devs are making an interesting weapon so that it is going to buff sin and outlaw a bit while gives a good reason for incoming nerf on sub.

[balmy condor]

it's a regular dagger

not a cantrip like EoN

[whole mason]

Oh. So much for that thought then.

[bleak sky]

bdk/fdk, spriest, havoc/veng dh, resto sham

[normal mist]

I wasnt first

[bleak sky]

I got 2 sub parses on my front page

I feel disgusting

[vestal wren]

its more a thing for sub/outlaw

[drifting cloud]

well not really

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mxiWYuDLA3AUeZetpVCwH4

sure tier set, other covenant, double lego might make it closer or even bring it around

but its still pretty good OH for sin

[vestal wren]

there will be a 285 dagger, that ends up ahead of eon in offhand

[drifting cloud]

yeah ok you will get that 3 months into farm

[vestal wren]

i agree that it still means that the power of the EoN effect stays for majority of the tier

and it creates a power imbalances between players with the dagger and players without it

it also boosts the basline damage of the spec that will be relevant for early progression

but just to put it in contrast, subtlety sitll has eon as a 2% damage win in offhand vs. a 285 dagger

[drifting cloud]

285 still doesnt beat it btw, god damn OH dps is so worthless

[vestal wren]

offhand in general is very weak impact wise

thats because the dps of offhand gets a penalty

effects like the dagger one don't get that

[bleak sky]

is there a reason for offhand to be so penalized

[vestal wren]

thats why its very hard to get rid of such strong special effects

[bleak sky]

like was something in the past super op?

[vestal wren]

the reason is likely to mitigate damage diffrences between 1h and 2 weapon classes

[drifting cloud]

wonder if its the same for fury with jaithys

its prolly gotta be

[vestal wren]

a 2 weapon class will have a insane dissadvantage if both weapons had high impact before getting both upgraded

what often would make 1h classes just strict out better choices

[bleak sky]

oh yeah

that's so obvious I feel dumb

[vestal wren]

the easy solution to the effect shananigan is just to apply a penalty to the offhand effect too

but that would also mean that the slot becomes less exciting

less from a objective but more on a subjective point of view

devs did put special effects on weapons to make them stand out, to be something unique compared to regular ones

so there is a argument to be made to keep those effects relevant

but its a tough topic, because if you compare normal weapons of a equal itemlevel to sylvanas dagger...

you realize how powerful the item is, and how it directly impacts balancing decisions

[bleak sky]

yeah not having sylv daggers is gonna be rough

for the rogues rerolling for 9.2

or even the unlucky rogues

[vestal wren]

e.g. to exaggerate a bit on it

sylvanas dagger vs. eye dagger in mythic quality for subtlety was around a 1100 dps gain

having that more/less as baseline can make a big diffrence

esp. in 9.2 when our baseline becomes a lot lower due to the complete loss of domination

impact is lower on assassination as compared to sub or even outlaw as it does not utilize the damage effect as well

btw. just to also emphasize this, getting the dagger is also not trivial. A lot of rogues will tell you how many attempts they did need to even get a heroic version

this is why the daggers are a big topic for people

[bleak sky]

yeah it's not super fun having so much power in an item

when you do have the item, sure, it's amazing

but it feels horrible otherwise

[vestal wren]

I think there is a big difference between ppl who have the item and those who either gamble on it

from a progression perspective, having your BIS weapons or close to bis day 1 without needing to worry about weapons at all for the rest of the xpac does seem appealing

as this is basically what somone with double mythic sylvanas has on subtlety

[oak sky]

but it sounds terrible from a gear progression standpoint

not using the new weapons

it being strong until you get the new best dagger is kind of cool

but not replacing it at all a whole tier is weird af

[vestal wren]

yes, my point is to view it from different perspectives

as with most decisions in the game, there are always positives and negatives

[bleak sky]

oh for sure not having to worry about weapons is amazing

[spice spire]

You all act like people weren’t farming 213 bells this tier as bis

[bleak sky]

yeah but once cov swapping bell farming was a thing it was a done deal right

[vestal wren]

was there a 213 belt that was bis?

[spice spire]

The bell trinket, no belt that I’m aware of was bis

I’m also an airhead.
But I’m pretty sure boomkins loved bell

[slow marsh]

they do / did

i believe with the switch to venth and 3min cds iqd is more popular now

[bleak sky]

boomies / disc priests

[lucid birch]

[balmy condor]

Bell trinket mastery Assassination gears turning stone legion omega aoe damage huge burst crazy damage my brain truly unlocked third eye

[spice spire]

Oshosi? When did you become a blade homie?

Proud of you, grustled haste mastery to the top

[bleak sky]

am i talking out of my ass snow

I know you're our resident priest

[lucid birch]

No I am a slave to the bell

[spice spire]

Resident PI bot*

Enabling degenerate whispyr gameplay

[bleak sky]

are you ready to play The Nine trinket next patch snow

[spice spire]

[lucid birch]

I have it yes

But without double leggos or tier sets (let’s face it healer pieces go to dps if tradeable) I’ll be kyrian for awhile so

[spice spire]

Based take

Healers aren’t people, they’re support bots.
No gear for healers or tanks

[bleak sky]

only give them gear if they're legitimately dying / not able to heal

[slow marsh]

I mean the name of the game is damage so

[spice spire]

Just play better

Easier to survive if you just do better

[slow marsh]

If gear will make tanks/heals do more damage than giving it to dps then give it

[spice spire]

Dps never make mistakes, perfect players, never chimp out

[slow marsh]

Even the most zooted healer cannot save dps from falling off sylv bridges

[balmy condor]

Just uu’nat That bitch

[lucid birch]

(Life grip)

But who saves me?

[balmy condor]

2 tank, 3 heals, a dh, and 14 warlocks

The best raid setup

[lucid birch]

Cursed fight tbh

[balmy condor]

[surreal prism]

lol

I mean it's pretty close to the new mists meta

[bleak sky]

Yeah I saw you on psycho's stream

"oh thats whispur's tank"

[surreal prism]

It was a lot of fun

lol

[balmy condor]

@abstract leaf’s wet dream

[vestal wren]

i remember 4x ww in legion

[surreal prism]

We also discovered a new mists maze pull

[toxic zenith]

can u get more then one kind of posion on instand posion

[balmy condor]

What

You get 1 lethal and 1 non lethal

[bleak sky]

share with the class

[surreal prism]

If you have aggro on a pack and then someone goes through the wrong maze after they die it will snap you to the front of the maze and the pack you were fighting will walk to you and pull the whole maze

[bleak sky]

oh yeah

It's fun to do that with an earth ele up

[surreal prism]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FunnyFlirtyKeyboardANELE-X5PMMP2n8mppwvVY

[strange python]

Wtf is this lol 😂 uunat first kill?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[balmy condor]

Uunat was a fun boss

That both had a crazy hps check

And a crazy dps check

Warlocks could do a lot of self healing

And brought execute damage

The shamans in pieces’s kill were brought because they could ankh

And by “fun boss” I mean 700+ pulls of “wtf it’s just a crazy numbers check”

[misty holly]

I don't really like the trend of bosses taking so many pulls these days.

[drifting cloud]

iirc ankh was to suicide with the weapons

[misty holly]

100 is about the point where I start thinking I want to be doing something else rather than playing this game

[balmy condor]

Problem is 100 pulls on a regular length fight takes a 2 day guild maybe 2 weeks

If every boss was 100, sure

But there’s like 3 bosses over 100 usually

Tier even for 2 day guilds would be over in like 2 months

The content would be gone instantly

See for example emerald nightmare

Cenarius was like a 90 pull boss and that was the hardest in there

And that raid is the poster child for undertuned, dead content that got blasted instantly

[misty holly]

I think that's kind of okay, though. But I understand a lot of people these days just play for the difficulty I guess.

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean you might think it’s okay but blizzard doesn’t cause they can’t afford to lose half their playerbase a month or 2 into an 8 month patch

[misty holly]

They have kind of painted themself into a situation where heroic raiding is useless now.

So people have to move to mythic to get an upgrade

and for me, I think mythic is just a bit harder than I like

but like, I can clear +20 dungeons so what point is doing heroic

[balmy condor]

Eon, tier, shards, transmog, fun, better gear than 246 valor or vault rng

Idk

[tight ginkgo]

Mythic raid is pretty fun.

[jade minnow]

Its fun (not) when u need eon for next patch and its almost mandatory

[misty holly]

It is fun, as long as stuff dies within 100 pulls =p

[drifting cloud]

my friend stuff hasnt died in 100 pulls since vanilla

the game you want doesnt exist for way over a decade

so mythic raiding is probably not for you

[misty holly]

The thing is, heroic raids we blow through in a couple pulls

maybe a dozen for final boss

Like where is the difficulty between 1 and 200 lol

[drifting cloud]

you definetly didnt kill sylvannas in a dozen pulls

[misty holly]

I think we actually did, but that was due to moving to Mythic for a couple weeks before even attemping her.