assassination

[clever kindle]

discussing followed up by my question

[boreal zenith]

I see

[balmy condor]

either way

point is

mut env mut

and env mut env

are margin of error

literally equal

[clever kindle]

walking aura buffs

big skill

[balmy condor]

you get more cp from mut env mut, you get more damage from env mut env

it averages out to be whatever

[boreal zenith]

But wouldn't a single mutilation equal 2-3 CP?

if crit 3 CP?

[balmy condor]

mut is 2 hits

and each hit can crit

for a total of 4 max

[boreal zenith]

So basically 4+ cp I want to dump on envenom if I have everything up?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[boreal zenith]

I see

[inland hull]

Or 5 with deeper stratagem

Just max -1

[boreal zenith]

I do have deeper stratagem, is it better to not take that?

[balmy condor]

not without the 4 piece next patch

we run ep/mfd currently

[boreal zenith]

Ohhh is that why you were talking about 4 cp envenom?

because of EP?

[balmy condor]

no it's 4 cp because you have a max of 5

and mut gives 2 baseline

so you don't want to generate on max-1

[boreal zenith]

I see

[clever kindle]

imagine wasting 3 combo points

[balmy condor]

the shittiest things you can do on sin are 1. not maintaining bleeds/snd and 2. overcapping a ton of cp/energy

sin is already low on the resource gen to begin with, you cap out on it you're just shooting yourself in the foot for fun

[subtle kiln]

wrong. not putting poisons on is far worse.

[viscid spear]

No having daggers equipped?

[drifting cloud]

not according to some tcers

[inland hull]

So I started the NF renown grind last night; does sepsis ever start to feel fun or will this strictly be a 9.2 meters advantage?

[subtle kiln]

fun is subjective

so maybe?

[inland hull]

Does it feel fun to you?

[subtle kiln]

assa rogue in general does not feel fun. lol

[inland hull]

Lol

[subtle kiln]

just a better alternative to yahtzee pirate

[spice spire]

Sepsis does a big boom.
That’s all you’ll ever see.
The ability itself is meh.
But it will do decent damage, people just spoiled by winds of winter rn

Though, before we didn’t use the stealth ability at all

Now we’ll use ambush

[subtle kiln]

@inland hull what is it that you are looking for that is leaving it feeling empty or lacking?

[spice spire]

So that’ll be strictly upgrade

[inland hull]

Strictly a feelcraft thing, flag gives me sense that damage is coming, sbs is satisfying to throw. Sepsis just feels like another plate to spin

[drifting cloud]

wtf I need an extra bind to play nf? im outta here

[stone sedge]

What cov is least binds

[subtle kiln]

you’re not exactly wrong. its changing up the game play a bit and basically gives you more venedettas.

[inland hull]

I do like that

[subtle kiln]

you can hop on the ptr and mess with with, but end of the day it’s assa

[gusty mirage]

They’ll all use the same amount of buttons

[inland hull]

Definitely not giving up on 200 dps to keep hitting flag

[drifting cloud]

wtf green name lying

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

you just said I need to press ambush like 3 times a fight in 9.2, thats an extra bind!

[stone sedge]

Can I just macro flag to a trinket and forget about it

[gusty mirage]

Just use your current mfd bind 5head

[drifting cloud]

thats how I usually do

but I havent specced bs in a few months

[gusty mirage]

Ye that’s what I use when I switch BS/DS for guardian

[inland hull]

We thinking about ditching mfd for 9.2?

[gusty mirage]

Unless you’re venthyr

Cursed with mfd

So we wave bye bye

[inland hull]

Well now I'm definitely swapping nf

[stone sedge]

Wait

If I go NF I can get rid of mfd?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[stone sedge]

That's pog

Holy shit

[uneven hamlet]

Mfd was fun at the start cause changed the rotation, but ep/vig was soooooo confy to play

[stone sedge]

Trade mfd button for sepsis weak aura

Yet another nf character tho ugh

[gusty mirage]

I don’t understand why people think vigor feels good, is one extra global before pooling that big of a deal?

[inland hull]

Swap the flag keybind for sepsis, door for soulshape, and mfd for... pug goggles?

[gusty mirage]

For ambush/pug goggles

Macro them together for full effect

[drifting cloud]

im scared to ask what are pug goggles

[spice spire]

Oh THE FEELCRAFT BUDDY

[gusty mirage]

Anniversary toy

Turns everyone into a corgi

[drifting cloud]

oh that one

[spice spire]

I feel that regen in my soul pal

[gusty mirage]

Very very useful in spires

[gusty mirage]

Tfw you’re so dead on the inside you need a talent to feel alive

[spice spire]

Mood

[oak sky]

we don't even play vigor with nf

[inland hull]

So it's back to bs/ds?

[spice spire]

Ep/DS

[drifting cloud]

@oak sky where ranks I thought you had a ka clear

[oak sky]

I didnt get full clear

i was out on some bosses and our bear wanted to play dh

for a few

[drifting cloud]

damn druids

[spice spire]

Fellas really do be log watching tho

[oak sky]

so i got sylv eye the nine which got scuffed painsmith and guardian

[clever kindle]

had to prog on painsmith twice after losing a third of our guild

[oak sky]

painsmith was really sad because we wiped on a pull i was gonna do around 10.5

[clever kindle]

We made some good prog on Sylv on tuesday tho

p3 70~% or so which has been our lowest thus far

we just started getting into p3 like last week maybe

[surreal prism]

p3 is def the most fun phase imo

[gusty mirage]

Fellas ain’t getting ethical 99s

SMH

[clever kindle]

yes I like seeing myself 30% higher on boss damage then the rest of my raid

this is true

[spice spire]

True

[clever kindle]

still wont get a PI somehow

[oak sky]

its true

[spice spire]

Imagine having a nine 98 when oxii-illidan rocking the 99

[oak sky]

my only ethical 99 is remnant

lol

[gusty mirage]

Woulda had an ethical 99 or 98 on guardian if we didn’t almost wipe

[clever kindle]

these were my only decent fights this tier

[spice spire]

That’s more than me agreonr-Tichondrius

[clever kindle]

everything past that we didnt kill enough for me to practice

and of course these are now like 2 month old parses

[spice spire]

I was going to say

[gusty mirage]

It was me and the DH left, and I tanked it for the last 3% health. Was doing 13.2k before I died

[spice spire]

Those are 9.1 parses

[clever kindle]

the second painsmith prog hurt

[spice spire]

All the same

[drifting cloud]

ethical 99s as assa are basically impossible outside of like 3 bosses

[gusty mirage]

[clever kindle]

we basically just killed the bosses past that once and are on sylv now

[spice spire]

You’ve probably not seen those in literal months

[gusty mirage]

Which 3

[clever kindle]

[spice spire]

The first 3 that count for asp

[drifting cloud]

the ones at the start because they have so much more parses

[clever kindle]

eye is fun tho

[spice spire]

Remnant starting to be sus on it tho

[oak sky]

you can do it on like eye the nine remnant

[gusty mirage]

Idk I got ethical oranges on Fate and Guardian

[oak sky]

and sylv

as well

[gusty mirage]

Can’t do more than 8k on sylv tho forever blue

[oak sky]

unfortunate

but sylv ethical is very doable

[drifting cloud]

orange on guardian? isnt that like more than 12.5

[clever kindle]

I go to sleep at the end of p1

[drifting cloud]

or was it a while ago

[clever kindle]

so my parse will probably be shit on sylv

maybe not

our locks and hunters cant find their passive button so I have to not bleed sylvanas

[oak sky]

I had a 98 on sylv it before I got my simp log but there was one guy higher than me that did 10k

[clever kindle]

or her hp might tick over before the last veil

[drifting cloud]

what a gamer, my best non ka is 12.4

[spice spire]

Dude was gaming

[gusty mirage]

Was doing 13.2 before I died

[oak sky]

all my logs before I had a KA pull were really scuffed on guardian

[drifting cloud]

oh wait I got an orange one from december

that counts right

[gusty mirage]

Sure does

[drifting cloud]

wait nvm thats with KA

[fleet anchor]

Parsing on Sylv is super odd. So many factors based on strat and assignment

[drifting cloud]

[clever kindle]

what year is it

[fleet anchor]

Speed strat is probably worse for parsing too since no pad at the end of P1

[drifting cloud]

nah

[oak sky]

idk

boss dam is like better

[gusty mirage]

I feel like holding wrecks my dps

[bleak sky]

speed strats feels good to do dam

[drifting cloud]

you dont lose casts in first 2p because of speed strat

[bleak sky]

and honestly if we had to hold p1 damage i'd rather commit die irl

[fleet anchor]

I mean that depends on if you had to hold or if you were one of the dudes that just ignored stop dps to parse and let everyone else stop 😛

[limber lion]

definitely

[clever kindle]

demon spin on sylvanas

why her hp go down

[spice spire]

Commie

[limber lion]

feels great holding vendetta for 2 minutes :DD

[drifting cloud]

cev the problem is what you do isnt speed strat

[bleak sky]

you saw nothing and can't prove it quake

[drifting cloud]

its SANIC

[limber lion]

[slow marsh]

Our RL tells everyone to gtfo off boss and then says rogues back on but I only get like 10s before it phases

[drifting cloud]

literally nobody else in this discord does it im pretty sure

lmao

[fleet anchor]

Best way to parse is ignore your raid leader on the old strat and make some other person do no dps all phase for your sins

[limber lion]

just did 11k p3 again

[clever kindle]

if shes 85.4 when she hits the ground from veil im using vendetta I dont care

[limber lion]

scuffed my entire lust cds though

easy 11.5k if I did it right

oh wel

[bleak sky]

we're fast on sylv but not Colour fast

[drifting cloud]

I got stupid double jump last week

[limber lion]

not getting mechanics

[drifting cloud]

literally the worst one to get loses me a cast of flag

[spice spire]

Colour fast is

[limber lion]

but to be fair we don't do speed strats now

[fleet anchor]

But honestly speed strat is so much better I don’t even care about parsing

[limber lion]

just a chill reclear

[fleet anchor]

Sylv the old way is soooo awful

[slow marsh]

my platform spot is opposite of where tanks have her for arrows so i have to go back and forth for screams / veil 😢

[bleak sky]

get me in and out of the raid asap please thank you

[limber lion]

I mean, we don't stop dps on anything, but we don't go degen levels of speed

[fleet anchor]

By speed strat I mean just skipping the final chains and adds

[alpine latch]

Y'all are speed running Mythic and I'm over here considering buying CE just for a shot at the dagger 😦

[fleet anchor]

Which I assume you always do

[drifting cloud]

spreading for screams as assa?

[bleak sky]

not worth it don't do it

[spice spire]

Different games Palmer

[limber lion]

don't worry, we have 3 rogues in the guild doing it every week

who are all willing to trade it to me

still haven't seen it

[spice spire]

Cev cleared raid six months ago?

[limber lion]

[drifting cloud]

ive gotten dagger 4 times from vault

[alpine latch]

My guild, at best, might get 5/10M this tier.

[slow marsh]

that painsmith wall tho

[alpine latch]

Assuming we have another month and a half of raid

[limber lion]

yeh 6 months ago

[drifting cloud]

yeah but cev didnt raid for months hes got like 10 sylvn kills :p

I got like 18 or some shit

[fleet anchor]

Buying a 4% chance at a dagger. Should just buy some NFTs instead as a better investment. 😄

[limber lion]

not true, I only took a 2 month break

I have easily over 20 Sylv kills in total

[spice spire]

Yeah, but he’s the pedigree to immediately get back into a good guild that speed rams raids

[alpine latch]

I'd really be buying it for the mount. It looks sick

[fleet anchor]

Same

[alpine latch]

But a shot at the dagger would be nice

[drifting cloud]

cev you have 9 kills on armory

[fleet anchor]

No daggers ever drop

[drifting cloud]

10 if you just finished raid and havent logged out yet I guess

[fleet anchor]

Other Rogue also no daggers

[bleak sky]

if you want the mount just wait a bit

[alpine latch]

I got 1 dagger from raid and 1 dagger (on another server) from Vault. I was raiding on 2 servers for months and only got those 2

[fleet anchor]

I mean I have 2 GV daggers

[bleak sky]

it's gonna be there all of the next tier

[fleet anchor]

But drops

Nah

[limber lion]

oh yeah I guess that's true, I've only killed Sylv 10 times on my rogue

[bleak sky]

and price is LIKELY gonna drop a bit

[limber lion]

but around 20 in total on all 4 characters

[drifting cloud]

method splits?

[limber lion]

But I've also been sat out on Sylv multiple times in Method

[drifting cloud]

wait you killed her on 4 different chars? 🙈

[limber lion]

and only got 6 bosses for vault

[alpine latch]

Will it? I thought it dropped to a 1% drop chance once the tier was over.

[subtle tundra]

you also get chance at getting it every week from 3 bosses

[lyric crater]

sly dagger drop 4 time for me of coruse the under gear pos rogue get it

[fleet anchor]

Haha

[bleak sky]

sylv mount should be just like jaina mount, no?

where it'll be 100% drop until expansion ends

[spice spire]

Probably

[alpine latch]

I thought they kept Jaina 100% drop rate (even adding a 2nd drop) because of COVID and people being bored as fuck

[limber lion]

idk man

[fleet anchor]

But yeah I suppose buying CE for the mount and GV opportunity wouldn’t be awful

[limber lion]

i'm washed anyways

[fleet anchor]

Way more likely to get from GV than the actual boss

[alpine latch]

Last I checked it was only like 4.5m even on Alliance

Which isn't bad

[spice spire]

True, only 11.5 p3. Old Cev would have done 14k :/

[fleet anchor]

The argument “tokens aren’t as exciting as drops” is clearly from the pov of specs that actually get to see weapons drop

And not specs that have like 4% chance per kill of getting something

[alpine latch]

lol

[limber lion]

ngl, I had an insane remnant pull

where everything went perfectly

but

[bleak sky]

4.5M with a mount? cheap

[alpine latch]

We haven't seen the new dagger they are adding, have we?

[limber lion]

my winds didn't crit well enough

only got 33% crit on winds

[spice spire]

Washed

Unfortunate

[limber lion]

it's such a joke

hate it

[slow marsh]

dang didn't manipulate your rng enough

def washed

[alpine latch]

Perk of being NA Alliance man, not many of us who can afford it, lol.

[bleak sky]

yeah winds rng is a bitch and I hate it

[spice spire]

Yeah can’t wait for next tier

[fleet anchor]

I’m actually surprised they didn’t hotfix winds being able to Crit in the first week. lol

[copper sundial]

15.3% crit rating on the eye yesterday. Feels good

Winds that is

[clever kindle]

oops my winds didnt crit guess I do 6k less dps

[spice spire]

When I play like shit and get the best parse yet because my winds doubled the normal crit % I get from winds

Feels real rewarding

[clever kindle]

outskilled by crit

[fleet anchor]

Crit double dipping

There’s no way they budgeted it with it being able to Crit

[clever kindle]

tuesday night I scuffed everything possible on my opener, parried multiple times

[fleet anchor]

Guarantee it

[clever kindle]

still my highest burst of the night by that point

somehow

[drifting cloud]

well yeah they just saw early tier data that nobody used it and buffed it

how many specs other than havoc and outlaw even use it?

[fleet anchor]

None because the Crit cap is too low

[spice spire]

MW

[clever kindle]

yeah it needs the low end crits happening frequently

[drifting cloud]

oh is that all of them or what? outside of healers yeah

[fleet anchor]

And the buff didn’t actually change that at all

[clever kindle]

only other one that would have made sense is warrior maybe

[drifting cloud]

didnt even know that ...

[bleak sky]

holy pally if they wanna be extra cheeky and disgusting

[clever kindle]

fury that is

[fleet anchor]

Because the buffed the coefficient

[clever kindle]

or enh

[spice spire]

99% sure that’s it Dps wise

[limber lion]

wait is socket 5k rep?

[fleet anchor]

Which means the cap and coefficient ratio stayed the same

[spice spire]

Yeah

[fleet anchor]

So if it was bad for a spec before the patch

[drifting cloud]

buy with cinders

[limber lion]

rip

[fleet anchor]

It was still bad after

[limber lion]

actual giga brain

[fleet anchor]

They hotfixed it without actually fixing the problem with it. 🤣

Not sure they truly understood the issue

Buffing the cap would have made a lot more sense than buffing the coefficient

[limber lion]

oh I thought the soul cinder thing is a one-time only purchase

idk why

that's insane

free sockets for days I guess

pog

[drifting cloud]

I always forget its there aswell

[fleet anchor]

Cinders are the best way to get sockets atm for Rogues for sure

[spice spire]

If you have been grinding renown

Yeah it is

[drifting cloud]

I did korthia for sockets like twice already back then

[fleet anchor]

Just speed clear upper reaches

In like 3 minutes

[drifting cloud]

even tho I had cinders ...

[limber lion]

just wanted to slap a socket on this Sylv belt that I got

which is not an upgrade anyways

[oak sky]

Ive had sockets for months at this point and I never bought one with cinders

[limber lion]

but wanted to still socket it

[oak sky]

sylv belt is a small upgrade with crit tea

actualy

lly

[fleet anchor]

Just stealth 9s or something it’s super fast lol

[oak sky]

oh wait you dont have everything

i lied

[limber lion]

maybe for an ultra bis profile like yours

smh

........

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Man out here flaunting

[oak sky]

i dont have sylv belt yet

[limber lion]

"oh sorry forgot you didn't have everything"

[oak sky]

so technically not ultra bis yet

[limber lion]

okay dude

[drifting cloud]

oh yeah I never simmed the belt with forced tea

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

yeah

belt is 10 dps with forced crit tea

[drifting cloud]

who am I kidding I havent really simmed anything outside of tw since november

[spice spire]

HUGE GAINS

But a gain

[drifting cloud]

mine even has leech from vault

[spice spire]

Nonetheless

[limber lion]

Good

[fleet anchor]

People who sim are bad people.

[oak sky]

Ive only simmed KA stuff recently

[drifting cloud]

I found out kt pants were better when you have kt neck like last week

[spice spire]

Hol up

[oak sky]

and recently is yesterday

[drifting cloud]

passed on them like 4 times

[fleet anchor]

We’ve gotten almost no KT pants

[dawn ivy]

this sounds like a weird flex, but i didnt know that was a thing either, ive just had them both for a long time

[fleet anchor]

We have like 8 leather folks in raid

[vestal wren]

[oak sky]

I think only me and our monk have kt pants

not sure about others

[dawn ivy]

i guess it makes sense

[fleet anchor]

Only like 1 drop of pants

To go with our 3 Guardian trinkets since the start of the tier

[drifting cloud]

I have 18 kt kills ive gotten loot from him once

[fleet anchor]

Smh my head

[drifting cloud]

and it was like 2 or 3 kills ago

[oak sky]

ive gotten loot from kt a few times

[drifting cloud]

never gotten neck/legs/trinket in vault

[oak sky]

i got the trinket and the pants

[fleet anchor]

We gotta get like idk

[oak sky]

other 2 were traded

[fleet anchor]

56 Guardian cloaks though

[limber lion]

I still need shoulders, dagger and phial

but I guess you can cross out phial

not much a m+ chad

[drifting cloud]

I want a leech/avoidance dagger

[oak sky]

its so late its not even worth doing phial

[drifting cloud]

for next tier

[spice spire]

Just run 10 dungeons a week and still never get it

[oak sky]

unless ur vel

[limber lion]

I had 4 fusion amps in my inventory, just deleted em all

useless trinket

[drifting cloud]

never lucky, always only 259 daggers 🙈

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

wdym

double on use guardian meta

[fleet anchor]

It’s was too late to get a Phial like 5 months ago

[limber lion]

Nah

I'm good

[oak sky]

i dont have fusion amp

so i couldnt do it anyway

[limber lion]

I ain't about that double trinket life

for mere 9 dps

[drifting cloud]

I know I dont do that much m+ but its still funny Ive never seen a dagger from m+ vault section

like .. this xpac not this tier

[spice spire]

[fleet anchor]

Diluted loot table

[spice spire]

I didn’t see any in all of 9.0

[limber lion]

I've seen multiple daggers, but I've yet to see a phial

[fleet anchor]

There’s only like what 5 daggers?

[spice spire]

Literally can’t escape them in 9.1

[drifting cloud]

4 I think

[fleet anchor]

Out of 94 items

[spice spire]

Get at least 1 weekly

[oak sky]

i saw 2 phials this tier

none in 9.0

but i was late tier ksm

[spice spire]

[fleet anchor]

Same chance as getting a Sylv dagger

About 4% per roll

💤

[drifting cloud]

slightly higher I guess :p

but barely

[spice spire]

But Koji, here’s the play.
Kill the first 3 and Sylvanas only

[drifting cloud]

raid loot table is like 35ish? items maybe

[limber lion]

how does it feel living my dream?

[fleet anchor]

Getting daggers man

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

first one was leech

[spice spire]

For that vault check

[oak sky]

denied the 2nd one

[drifting cloud]

meanwhile im a master of getting 9 ring or fate bracers

or sly chest, gotten that atleast 5 times aswell

[fleet anchor]

Don’t talk to me about bracers

[spice spire]

I’ve legitimately gotten grue neck in every vault but one

[bleak sky]

phial + kt neck waiting room

[fleet anchor]

I’ve gotten bracers in 7 of my last 20 GV slots for raid

[spice spire]

[drifting cloud]

yeah I dont keep track, would probably be funny to do

just to give the info when people complain about other items

[fleet anchor]

Oh and 6 Dashalas boots

[drifting cloud]

but since these are useless you just shrug it off even tho its the same thing

[fleet anchor]

Same shit every week

Boots and bracers

Every week

Over and over

[bleak sky]

like I wouldn't mind getting repeat gear on vault if it had tertiaries

[clever kindle]

in legion I got bracers 7 weeks in a row

[bleak sky]

but never seen anything with tertiaries from vault either

[fleet anchor]

I swear GV is seeded on character GUID or something 🤣

[drifting cloud]

yeah thats the only hearth pumper, that 0.5s mouseover on an item you want tertiaries on

[fleet anchor]

I got so many boots I have them in both Speed and Avoidance

Truly blessed

[arctic walrus]

At leastyou kill fate

[fleet anchor]

Yeah this is the 500 IQ play

[oak sky]

this is ruining my chances of rank 1 healing all stars

and higher regular all stars ig

[clever kindle]

I have a speed, avoidance, and indestructable 252 chest

[spice spire]

Smaller vault loot table

[clever kindle]

1 of each

[spice spire]

Just so you can still get shit you don’t want from non-Sylv weekly

[drifting cloud]

yeah but its the same thing really

because you only get 1 spot

[oak sky]

if I had a real fatescribe log I could make it

[drifting cloud]

so instead of 3 chance at 1/35 you got 1 chance at 1/11 or whatever

[oak sky]

I know i could

[drifting cloud]

give or take

[bleak sky]

the thing I'm afraid the most is dropping a sylv dagger with avoid/leech and having to trade it

[spice spire]

Yea, you could target like the 3 lowest yielding bosses

[bleak sky]

that'd be

[spice spire]

Or 2, and Sylv

But you’re right, it’s essentially the same shit

[drifting cloud]

problem is you still need gear from the rest of the raid

[spice spire]

Future problems.

[oak sky]

I got 0 pieces of loot this week

[drifting cloud]

8 bosses?

[spice spire]

Oh shit new ranks dropped @oak sky ?

[oak sky]

i think i got 7 or 8 idk

[spice spire]

Jumping 4 spots I see

[drifting cloud]

has anyone ever killed 10 with 0 items on MYTHIC

im pretty sure its not possible

[oak sky]

doubt it

[drifting cloud]

think it can happen on hc with bigger raid sizes

[oak sky]

you get more items at bigger raid sizes tho

1 per 5

[drifting cloud]

yeah but you usually dont have 25 or 30 people

its always some random number

like 22 or 27

[oak sky]

ye true

[viscid spear]

People always post "Failure damage" at the end and I'm usually at the bottom

[bleak sky]

failure damage = healing parse

ez

[inland hull]

If I don't proc cheat, then I wasted a talent

[agile osprey]

facts

i always make sure to get spiked at least once on painsmith

[drifting cloud]

holy shit sylvn 1shot

not sure if 1st time or not

[fleet anchor]

Can’t get a healing rank if you don’t proc cheat

If you’re not gonna die you may as well run Leeching

@oak sky knows

[oak sky]

lmao

[split veldt]

guys, i havnt played since the end of nathria, is there any major changes to Sin i should be aware of?

look at my ancient gear https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/buttnoises?zone=26&new=true

[signal pier]

imo you made a smart decision skipping this tier

[split veldt]

9.2 looking pretty thicc

so thinking about doing all the catch up stuff now

[signal pier]

I guess things you should do now, farm codex research for conduits, get all covs to renown 80

[split veldt]

all of them?

[fleet anchor]

Not really any major changes other than the upcoming set bonus

[dawn ivy]

if you plan to play all content, and specs

then yeah all 4

[signal pier]

If you plan to play only assa, I guess venthyr and nf looks promising?

[dawn ivy]

yeah

[split veldt]

guess it would be fun to see all the cov stories anyway

[dawn ivy]

if you plan to do m+ necro might also be good

[signal pier]

some of the campaigns are nice, but i didn't enjoy farming renown and conduits, its so repetitive

[split veldt]

word

[signal pier]

you can give up farming conduits if you don't want to do any first weeks hardcore content you can just get the new rep and get the item for conduits 265

[split veldt]

aite

[signal pier]

also, if you get one cov to 80, there's a vendor that sells an item near flight master in oribos to get your cov to level 40

[split veldt]

oh nice

[signal pier]

and also if you got one cov to 80, you can freely switch between them without needing to "prove your loyalty" to the new covenant each time

it's pretty ironic how blizzard is glad to get our "positive feedback" when they fix the problems they created, i guess next tier is gonna feel more comfortable and alt friendly i'm actually excited

[split veldt]

dashing scoundrel is bis now?

[signal pier]

that's beyond me, i actually dont know

[split veldt]

im looking at logs and everyone using it

[bleak sky]

yes it's the best one

[signal pier]

makes sense then

[split veldt]

am i still stacking haste/crit?

[balmy condor]

yuh

[split veldt]

hopefully dashing scoundrel goes on feet, since i guess i made a pair already

[balmy condor]

it goes on cloak

but we're not using it next patch anyways so no loss

[split veldt]

oh lol

what we using?

[balmy condor]

duskwalkers

you'll have to recraft shit anyway

[split veldt]

word

[viscid spear]

I mean if you have the funds and resources to craft it now you could just to get a feel for it but yeah, it's not worth it right now

[limber lion]

well, the "feel for it" won't be there without the tier set

just slamming a vendetta on more often won't change your rotation much :p

but yeh, go for it if you wanna play around with it!

it'll just be giga different in 9.2 with the tier set, so don't expect the same results

[viscid spear]

Bro, I'm still forcing myself to be Fae, lol

[limber lion]

Good

[viscid spear]

[strange python]

Weirdge seeing the sin set rated below sub by max/after talking to jpc

[oak sky]

lmao

[loud light]

well, he also said it was underpowered now that it's not 100% so

grain of salt, you know?

[slow marsh]

classic tier list content

[bleak sky]

tier list

[oak sky]

its not underpowered the class as a whole is

its in their target damage range

[viscid spear]

According to the latest Mythic SoD rankings all three Rogue specs are in the top 5

Why would something on the internet be a lie?

[frosty cedar]

it's tier list of the class tier sets for 9.2

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

time to log off, you've done your part, king.

[gusty mirage]

72 renown

Almost donezo

[bleak sky]

72 good enough call it a patch

[gusty mirage]

Nah I gotta finish off the other 3

[bleak sky]

see ya in 9.2

[glass tulip]

I moved on to legion campaigns and achievements

SL has nothing on Rogue fantasy questing

[oak sky]

you gotta hit 79 on fae

for dreamweaver empowered conduits

[gusty mirage]

Weird way to say 80

[oak sky]

im gonna get 80

im leveling mage rn

[gusty mirage]

I mean if you get 79 you might as well get 80

[oak sky]

maybe ill go do my callings

ye true

[bleak sky]

disgustingn

[gusty mirage]

Wtf is one more torghast run ya know?

[bleak sky]

yet another rogue turning to mage

[gusty mirage]

Frost mage is fun af

[oak sky]

im not turning to mage

its just an alt

[gusty mirage]

If I didn’t hate ranged I’d consider switching mains

[bleak sky]

switch survival then oxi

[brave gazelle]

Not turning yet* 👀

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather play outlaw

Which is saying a lot

[bleak sky]

but outlaw is stay capped omegalul

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but at least I won’t be a stinky hunter

[subtle kiln]

until 9.2 hits

[oak sky]

rogue is perma fun why would i roll to a class where I find the gameplay fantasy less fun

[nimble tartan]

frost is W ranged

[bleak sky]

all rangeds are L

except spriest

[gusty mirage]

This man found rogue fun in SL

Sheesh

[nimble tartan]

sub was hella fun bro

[oak sky]

im rogue forever until HoF

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/dominifox-sheesh-gif-22919198

[oak sky]

and even then ill reroll melee before anything else

[gusty mirage]

Actually ran kyr sub on pain and fatescribe and had a lot of fun tbh

[bleak sky]

speaking of HoF no guilds want to take my DH

[oak sky]

mage just looked fun as an alt

[bleak sky]

unless they're some weirdge stuff rank omegalulthousand

[gusty mirage]

Venthyr sub is boring af

[bleak sky]

sub do be fun

[subtle kiln]

real talk. rogue is boring

[gusty mirage]

True

[oak sky]

why are you here

[bleak sky]

I've no idea how to pad on that because I'm prio slut but

sub is fun fun fun

[nimble tartan]

ww is more fun thats true i enjoyed learnin that

[gusty mirage]

20% of your damage is melee auto attacks, very active gameplay

[oak sky]

bro what

where your damage comes from isnt what makes your class fun

its what ur pressing

[subtle kiln]

i have hope. and enjoy disappointment

[gusty mirage]

What the fuck are you pressing for auto attacks and poison procs

[oak sky]

CF is a rogue hater reported

[bleak sky]

dance strike strike evis strike strike evis

kyrian sub really does feel good, you're always doing something

[subtle kiln]

he’s one of 3 CFs playing rogue actively. good luck with that hot take

[gusty mirage]

Sorry I pre-feinted this

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

Get me banned @oak sky set me free

[oak sky]

back to nf

[gusty mirage]

I better get those crimson vial buffs we were promised at blizzcon in 9.2 or I’m suing blizzard

[subtle kiln]

i finally had more than 15 minutes of free time to mess on the ptr. sub too hard to gauge since it’s broken. assa just feels like, idk super slow even though i think the apm increased by 2. lol

[gusty mirage]

False advertisement

[oak sky]

assa is slow

[gusty mirage]

Yeah sin tier feels weird

[subtle kiln]

even slower

[gusty mirage]

Feels like an 1990s American sedan starting in the winter

[oak sky]

oxi want to do torgy together after i do my callings

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/907157036037455944.webp?size=56&quality=lossless

[gusty mirage]

Bro I’m laying in bed staring at my wall

[bleak sky]

living the life

[gusty mirage]

I went from 42 renown to 72 in 4 days

[oak sky]

yep

same

[gusty mirage]

My watch is over

[oak sky]

except 73

[gusty mirage]

I’ll just afk comp stomps this weekend or something idk

[subtle kiln]

i did 40-80 on fae and necro in 2 sittings. upper reaches is glorious.

[oak sky]

i just wanted an excuse to paste blushy

i havent done a single torghast for all my renown

[gusty mirage]

Why post blushy when you can post:

[oak sky]

i did fae campaign callings and weeklies

[bleak sky]

[subtle kiln]

fuck fae campaign

[bleak sky]

oh wrong one

but still applies

[oak sky]

i had to do it for soulbinds

[subtle kiln]

shit is freaking long

[gusty mirage]

I found the campaign significantly less miserable than torghast spam

[subtle kiln]

i did fae twice already. no way doing a third.

[gusty mirage]

But then I have to go to bfa and I just stopped

Yeah I only did it once

On my mage

And that was in 9.0

[oak sky]

all the fae movement and shit is the worst

[bleak sky]

torghast easily worst shit they've done in SL

[subtle kiln]

beta torghast was excellent

[gusty mirage]

Conduit energy would love a word with you

[bleak sky]

i mean content wise

conduit energy was 100% dog yeah

[gusty mirage]

That is content

[bleak sky]

wait 4 days to play another spec

[gusty mirage]

Running out meant you couldn’t do content

[nimble tartan]

im survival main

[gusty mirage]

Maybe you can get skip off his outlaw otp kick

[subtle kiln]

oxi assa felt so slow after running sub test i had to double check that i had poisons on.

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

dashing is too good

feed me energy

[gusty mirage]

Then you press vendetta and start zooming

Then vendetta rolls around and it’s like you woke up hung over

[subtle kiln]

nah. then i went to test fury

[gusty mirage]

Fury warrior is going to be really really good

Kinda wild

[subtle kiln]

fury will have one major issue, in keys at least, threat.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah esp if bear stays the meta

[subtle kiln]

kyrian is actually insane with double lego

[gusty mirage]

Bear just has a rough time keeping aggro without tricks/md

[subtle kiln]

arms honestly felt like the best pacing wise. but that’s just personal preference.

[gusty mirage]

I never really cared for arms ever tbh

[subtle kiln]

i need to test assa first next time

[gusty mirage]

My first “oxi” was a young orc warrior dying to boars in durotar because warriors had a bug with their auto attacks always missing lmao

[subtle kiln]

maybe just turn off energy bar.

can’t see visually how slow it is

lol

[gusty mirage]

Oh yeah trying to manage energy is going to be a nightmare

Go from snails pace to Ferrari regen throughout a boss fight

[subtle kiln]

bipolar spec

[gusty mirage]

But let’s be happy about 9.2, it means we’re almost free from SL lmao

[subtle kiln]

outlaw better disappear with 10.0. I blame dice rolls for everything.

wtb combat

[gusty mirage]

Combat daggers making a comeback

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sleep-its-been84years-titanic-gif-13077787

[viscid spear]

[brave gazelle]

Ima say it
Fae furry kinda underrated

[pearl ingot]

The glorious spec we all want back!

[bronze pike]

pirate 4th spec then

[nocturne geode]

honestly hit me in the feel w mention of combat daggers haha

i miss thee

[glass tulip]

I'm too new to know what a combat rogue is and I don't ever want to find out

fkin boomers

[sonic schooner]

Mut rogue, combat daggers

Boomers but good tastes

[gusty mirage]

think outlaw

except no stupid pirate theme

and you can use daggers and they're effective

[arctic walrus]

👀

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[arctic walrus]

how i sim this effect

[balmy condor]

2:30cd

[arctic walrus]

since when do u care when u get free crit

[slow marsh]

In my opinion combat (i played BC + Wrath + Cat so don't flame me about MoP combat) played similarly to assassination in that it was mostly a dot/uptime spec. You keep up slice and rupture, and evis when you can. There was some variation but the gist of it was like playing sin with swords

[balmy condor]

never use that talent

ever

even bringing it up by name is heresy

[devout remnant]

mb

already deleted

just got curious because of logs

[fleet anchor]

Combat daggers goes way back. It’s really just a backstab spec with adrenaline rush. Sub didn’t really exist in the same way since it was a PvP tree for a long time.

[devout remnant]

i'm struggling on spiked balls

[oak sky]

that guy gets so many externals he cant mess up his logs

doesnt matter what talents he takes he beats almost anyone

[devout remnant]

it's no for logging i asked

just trying to prog

i know is impossible for me to get even close

[balmy condor]

yeh for prog just tell your ranged dps to get it together

that's best ball dps

hit it with an mfd env

outside of that, not much to do

[oak sky]

HB isnt even good for logs

[slow marsh]

ye the other night i was even looking at old school assassination tree and it's so different now than it used to be

[drifting cloud]

if you get a good log with hb its good for logs, CANT ARGUE WITH FACTS

[slow marsh]

Sire padding anyone?

[fathom flax]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/frostmourne/orrockk#boss=2422

@balmy condor how do I make the grey go away

[surreal prism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HHzN_MPtM

[fathom flax]

PEBKAC

[sonic schooner]

Just went back to fae, i forgot how bad sepsis feel to press

[timid cloud]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[dense bramble]

how does sbs interact with exsanguinate?

also, will exsanguinate be a thing with the new 4pc?

[bleak sky]

No exsang

With new tier

Idk about about sbs interaction

[balmy condor]

sbs gets buffed with the 2 set

but has no interaction with either 4 set, nor exsang

the last time it had exsang interaction, it crashed entire PTR servers

1 turnip in oribos took down every oribos shard for hours

[sonic schooner]

Sbs and bugs are a fatality

Are we currently using ambush on the sepsis proc for real? Quick sims says so

[bleak sky]

we do press ambush now ye

[sonic schooner]

Intresting

[dense bramble]

i thought it would deal damage faster within vendetta duration

[sonic schooner]

Gotta bind ambush again

[dense bramble]

i tought i read that somewhere

[balmy condor]

technology ain't there I guess

[bleak sky]

bind ambush on live also

[balmy condor]

it was one of the things that they wanted to do

but it never happened

[bleak sky]

already pressing ambush when playing dungeons

[balmy condor]

probably because of how it's coded

[sonic schooner]

Everytime they try to touch sbs it creates a new issue

[balmy condor]

yeh

thats kinda what happens when you make one ability with literally every possible attribute

[drifting cloud]

blizzard nerfs rogues cant even crash the server anymore smh

[sonic schooner]

Remember theses times when sbs just disappeared for some reason on bosses

[balmy condor]

sbs is a:
ranged ability
with charges
instant damage
infinite dot
grants cp
also more cp with more dots
also is a bleed that works with mastery
also a cooldown

like

[sonic schooner]

For absolutely no reason

[balmy condor]

they took every possible thing sbs could be

and just threw it at a wall

[sonic schooner]

Can't wait for sbs to also heal the most wounded allied

Aka me

[dense bramble]

doesnt seem much different drom moonfire feral druid

only infinite duration and cooldown

oh and mastery scaling

[main warren]

reprimand seems like it would be much more likely to break than sbs

[balmy condor]

Reprimand is just a 7cp finisher tho

[main warren]

ya but it can animacharge at dif cp values

just seems like more opportunity for something on the back end to break when something isn't always the same, even if it is in principle

like maybe, hypothetically, it works at 4cp and 2cp but not 3

for whatever reason

[bleak sky]

you change cp from x to 7

doesn't seem too fucky to me tbh

[main warren]

less the interaction on it's face

and more how often it could vary

[oak sky]

doesnt all of this depend on how they code shit

the one that seems the simplest could actually be the most problematic

[main warren]

true

[potent dagger]

But that bleed can't crit 😢

And it don't make coffee , SHAME !

[balmy condor]

what?

of course it can crit

[potent dagger]

The initial damage yeah , but the bleed seems not

[balmy condor]

[potent dagger]

from my parses i've never seen a crit on it ^^

[balmy condor]

it definitely does

can you link a log where it doesn't crit?

[potent dagger]

another bug on live ? XD

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vNbAtY4a72kGqj1Q#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=191&translate=true

[potent dagger]

i'm at work right now so i can't ^^

[balmy condor]

I just pulled up a necro log

and it's critting just fine

[potent dagger]

will try again when i'm home to see if it's just me that's bugging XD

[balmy condor]

I would assume so

[fathom flax]

How far behind on st is ct compared to pb

It just shreds with frost set

But less envs

And no positional

[bleak sky]

You can just sim it and see

[fathom flax]

Yeah, I can

It was more of a feelcraft thing

The philosophy behind ass

[oak sky]

its like 200-300 dps or something

casting ct instead of envenom with dashing would kinda suck

then pb is passive which is good, and afaik can also feed into the frost set

[hollow dirge]

Pb should just like ct, be on use. Getting procs while boss is moving is annoying, especially because, even if the boss is still, the dmg it does is low, so I see no reason why they keep it so punishing, by keeping it on proc.

[limber lion]

Honestly I don't see why you would care either way

It's such a boring ability that does so little damage

I honestly haven't looked at PB in 3 years or cared whether the boss moves or not

It was annoyinh in Legion, I'll give you that, but that's just because it was our highest damage dealing ability :p

Don't worry

[blissful raven]

what convenant is best fro raid???

for

[warm drift]

Venthyr

[blissful raven]

and best legendary

for raid

[warm drift]

Dashing with frostgems

But i suggest to just sim topgear

[hollow dirge]

My care about it was created in legion and I guess it’s related to it , it got stuck in my head.
Even now, I find myself positioning and targeting stuff to hopefully hit that bomb on multiple adds.
But that’s not the only reason, I care about having the last talent row stuck with an ability that’s completely random and does shit dmg+ adds nothing to the gameplay.
Worst thing is, in the same row we have our only aoe finisher, even though baseline, there are not many weaker aoe specs.
It’s a shit tier and considering how much bleed/poison related we are, that talent tier could’ve been fun. But it just isnt. Shame

[drifting cloud]

the whole talent row is dogshit and has been for a while

but only time I notice pb is when it procs on a moving target

[hollow dirge]

Yeh, it’s a similar feeling here too😂

Like fucking tornado corruption crap in bfa. Turn slightly to the left of the mobs, you see that thing roaming the wasteland, hitting nothing

[steel ridge]

a monkey could design a better talent row...

and that kinda goes for every rogue spec

[bleak sky]

[grand ridge]

At least pb is way less annoying now

[blissful raven]

stats priority for raid???

[arctic walrus]

Wanna read a guide bro? This isn’t magic Google

[bleak sky]

I'm going kyrian tiny toxic blade is it good

[dense bramble]

it wasnt able to crit before but i think it changed in 9.1.5. I remember it NOT being able to crit and i remember reading a patch notes saying now it can crit

[dense bramble]

i believe in 9.2 with dusk being our leggo instead of dashing, 2pc boosting CT through shiv (would boost pb too if you get luck to proc it in the window LOL) and even 4pc boosting ct inside vendetta, it can be even better

but there are super big chance i'm super big wrong

[oak sky]

right now its not

in sims

[dense bramble]

you simming 9.2

?

[bleak sky]

Yes sims are out

[oak sky]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eK3JWjgQbWBgWuL7VAiVDF

[bleak sky]

Check pins

Or that

[dense bramble]

this sim doesnt have any tier piece

and its all SoC

[oak sky]

the effect is coded in

whispyr did it

and it doesnt really show pb vs ct but hes checked it out and pb seems to be better with all the info we currently have

[dense bramble]

i see

[balmy condor]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6VjWWLxgX8u5T7W6q8RLRZ

here's a sim comparing some of the more common talents

[dense bramble]

ty for that

[arctic walrus]

Np

[limber lion]

Yw

[marble hemlock]

common talents > doesnt sim vigor

smh

[limber lion]

dead talent

what can I say

[vestal wren]

is MP a common talent?

[nocturne geode]

[limber lion]

No, but it sims as well or better than Blindside sometimes

Vigor is always bad

[marble hemlock]

vigor is comfy

[nocturne geode]

[marble hemlock]

also no venom rush sim

[nocturne geode]

nf meta in 9.2 now i have to play kyrian 🤔

[slow marsh]

Rip venom rush

[limber lion]

To be honest, there wasn't much thought when Whispyr made the sim

He just went "fuck Vigor"

[marble hemlock]

discrimination

[slow marsh]

It's because he tested vend cdr on ptr and only got 2 seconds or something dumb extra with vigor

[marble hemlock]

excluding minorities from the sim smh

[slow marsh]

And you still hard global cap in vend so no real point to vigor

[upbeat needle]

Crit Haste

[versed mica]

whispyr confirmed nonexclusive

inclusive* FUCKING PHONE LOL

noninclusive jfc

[spice spire]

Non exclusive, huh?

[upbeat needle]

@blissful raven Crit > Haste > Vers > Mast. No stats or bad though. Ideally sim yourself and target your upgrades. But you'll want high Crit for Dashing and Frost set.

[versed mica]

joke ruined

[marble hemlock]

but you go out of vend with more energy, cause you have a higher max

[slow marsh]

True

Sim it up

[spice spire]

That extra mut every minute too

[marble hemlock]

thats like

2 extra muts

[slow marsh]

Huge stonks

[marble hemlock]

instead of 1

so vigor is twice as good as expected

[spice spire]

BIG DAM

[slow marsh]

Even bigger ! Massive stonks

[nocturne geode]

YUGE

[spice spire]

Seli getting a little too based rn

[slow marsh]

200% increase to vigor value

Big number

You guys are distracting me from my workout with this trolling. You know I can't resist it

[nocturne geode]

thats it you talked me into it im kyrian now

:)

[spice spire]

Bro it’s 8 am, how you just now working out

[nocturne geode]

maybe hes not an early riser

[slow marsh]

It's 720 for me I got here at 630

Mountain time baby

[spice spire]

Still too late

[nocturne geode]

iceblades 5 reps for me please

[spice spire]

Work at 7

Just workout at 4:30 every am

[slow marsh]

Work at whenever I want

[spice spire]

F.

[alpine latch]

Or be fat and don't work out.

Being fat is kinda awesome sometimes but not really all the time

[spice spire]

I mean I still am fat

Just wanna be less so

[subtle kiln]

RIP dashing.

[alpine latch]

Yeah, my goal is 125lbs this year.

[slow marsh]

I decided to play city league basketball again this year so I need to work my covid 40 off so I'm not dying on the court like I have been the last 2 weeks

[grand ridge]

I gained some weight from covid too :(

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

He wouldn’t know, dw

He’s been playing doomblade this entire tier

[subtle kiln]

sbs makes up for the sit on your hands doing nothing

[spice spire]

Exactly

And that +54 damage from dashing

Pretty giga

Oh seli in venthyr

Nvm LMAO

[gusty mirage]

Is it only 54 damage

[spice spire]

for Necro yeah.

[gusty mirage]

Dude’s a vigor/doomblade venthyr enjoyer

Smh my head

[spice spire]

I did vigor venthyr because I was the wrong covenant

[gusty mirage]

Old people amirite

[spice spire]

But even I went obedience like a good boy

[gusty mirage]

You also almost ran obedience as necro once

[spice spire]

Almost?

[gusty mirage]

Good thing I was creepin

You did it again?

[spice spire]

I’ve definitely done it