assassination

[ebon notch]

the number can be as big as you want

[gusty mirage]

Fair enough

[ebon notch]

internet so bad i cant load raidbots

hate this

[limber lion]

I can't believe I'm so dry week after week

even though I still need like 4 items

Getting Tarragrue wrists and neck every week

[normal mist]

The haste mastery one? (Neck)

[inland hull]

Hell, I've moved on to M+. All guilds on my connected realms stopped raiding, and this late in the tier, pugging mythic progress sounds terrible

But I've managed a 2360 M+ score, so I consider it a win

[limber lion]

yup

Good stuff!

[spice spire]

Grats king!

And same here Cev. Out of all mythic vaults I’ve done (lower guild just killing first 5, eventually) I’ve gotten the grue neck every single week

[gusty mirage]

Just get the dagger out of the vault

Idk what the issue is

[spice spire]

Gotta kill sylv first

Not built diff enough, sorry

[alpine latch]

Damn man, so you didn't even get a good parse?

RIP

[brazen zodiac]

XD

theyre ok

well my heroic ones are p good, mythic theyre pretty good too up until painsmith f

[alpine latch]

I meant in your sleep, silly

If you were tossing and turning you didn't get a good sleep parse

[brazen zodiac]

fuck u got me there

def a fat gray on that one

[marble hemlock]

wrong channel you suck at sin

[rare token]

how is the covenants looking for 9.2?

[bleak sky]

info in pins

[echo geyser]

true but cruel

[marble hemlock]

dw i love you

even if you dont play assa

[bleak sky]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[thin ingot]

Guys if i wanted to prep my alt for a potential main switch for 9.2 my prio should be getting all conduicts to 252 right?

or im stoopid?

[balmy condor]

I mean gear > convenants > conduits

But yeah

[spice spire]

^

[thin ingot]

im stoopid then

cause ive been spamming those rifts non stop

anyone remembers the addon name that reds out groups that declined you before?

[balmy condor]

I mean that's still good

[crystal vault]

got the nitro fuel chees fixed ?

[limber lion]

yes.

[bleak sky]

damn for a hot minute I thought I was banned from here

but it's just discord things

[brazen zodiac]

u too huh lmfao

[glass tulip]

I have aquired the Shadowblade title

raven mount today hopefully

reliving the fantasy rogue glory days

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[normal mist]

It seems we arent all banned afterall

we were just in stealth for a while

[brazen zodiac]

sittin in MA

[alpine latch]

Their API shit the bed

[sturdy stirrup]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[viscid spear]

Jeez, finally got back in

[alpine latch]

Ewww

Someone stole my name

And made a mage

[viscid spear]

why tho

[alpine latch]

IDK

I had the only two characters with that name in WoW

And now there's a Mage on Shattered Hand with it

[viscid spear]

There's only 3 other Ashkittens, but 2 are 15 and the last is 5, so I'm the OG

[inland hull]

All my toons have "Grim" in their name, which might as well be "Emo Edgelord Mc-Tries-too-hard"

But I've committed

[viscid spear]

Mine are all just -kitten

Alliance realm, for example

[echo geyser]

oreokitten is my fave

[viscid spear]

First seven are just my cats' names, in addition to Ash & Elena on my Horde server

[oak sky]

you have 7 cats

[viscid spear]

Dear child, no

I have 10

[oak sky]

nice

extreme but nice

[bleak sky]

[viscid spear]

Oreo, Jinx, Crow, Hazel, Ginger, Ash, Elena, Dean, Sam, Luna

Also Raven, but she passed away two years ago

[oak sky]

Sadge

[viscid spear]

Is Kindred Spirits the Kyrian ability and Affinity is NF?

[oak sky]

no

spirits is the base ability

affinity is the legendary that gives you free stats

[viscid spear]

I had KS on me from the Druid tank I was running ToP with

Don't think he was using that leggo tho

[bleak sky]

then it's kinda almost useless

[viscid spear]

Looking at Details I see he had the KA buff, but I don't see it on anyone else

[echo geyser]

its just a sac if guardian druid

i dont even think it gives him any of ur dmg

[oak sky]

if he had KA buff you shouldve too tho

[viscid spear]

I saw the Spirits buff on me, so maybe

[oak sky]

idk why a bear would be running kyrian without the leggo

[echo geyser]

yeah u wouldnt

[viscid spear]

Does it just not show on mine for some reason?

[echo geyser]

oh it is showing for u

[solid mica]

Can you still pull in m+ with nitrofuel?

[echo geyser]

it wasnt for me

4th buff on right side

[viscid spear]

Left is me, right is the bear

[echo geyser]

oh

[viscid spear]

I'm going through the other 3 party member's Details too, no sign of KA

[echo geyser]

i dont think it shows in details

u just have to look at ur buffs or use WA to track it

[viscid spear]

Guess Details only shows your own buffs

[bleak sky]

upload the log if you can

[viscid spear]

Don't know how

[bleak sky]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/start

[viscid spear]

Install client?

[bleak sky]

yes

[oak sky]

were you even the one that was linked?

[viscid spear]

?

[echo geyser]

im pretty sure it doesnt show anyways in details

[hollow river]

the KA damage from melee does show in details

it did when we were testing on PTR at least i don't usually get it on live

[echo geyser]

yeah dmg portion but not the KA buff thingy

but thats only from non guardians i guess

[hollow river]

oh, is it

i got it from a boomie on ptr so maybe that's why

[viscid spear]

I just saw the buff on me at one point

So got me thinking if it was it, idk

[echo geyser]

hm i thought rdruid also gets dmg but seems not

[viscid spear]

Was in a PF group, we go to skip to Glob and healer realizes he put a +21 in instead of the +16

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

nice chill 21 pf

[bleak sky]

ez run

ez scam on the portal

[viscid spear]

We run out, one of the dps says he doesn't trust us and leaves
I say "Got 5 minutes for Shroud anway"
You been removed from the group

[bleak sky]

wut

shroud resets when you put the key in silly

[viscid spear]

They even said it would reset when we started the key, yeah

[bleak sky]

[viscid spear]

No idea what happened, thought I was kicked because I went in while he was trying to reset, but I was zoning out and saw I got kicked

There was only the three of us

So not like we didn't already have to wait to fill group

[echo geyser]

quakewar

[gusty mirage]

'scuse me sir check DMs when you get a chance

[oak sky]

Sadge

[viscid spear]

Find a NW group, start to fly there, tank says he's gotta leave, then everyone else leaves one by one

[echo geyser]

will do

[timid cloud]

Ramfam, all alts are nearing 252+ ilevel now all I need is deeper mythic.

[echo geyser]

[timid cloud]

Taking all my alts to main raid. Time to loot daggers on 2nd Rogue.

[echo geyser]

i wish i had a dagger with leech/avoidance for 9.2

no more raids on rogue tho

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

@echo geyser its mage alt szn fr

[echo geyser]

1 week in

currently getting boosted in a hc run

[viscid spear]

I was in a H SoD on my Mage, everyone decided to just stop after wipes on Nine

[oak sky]

my mage is lvl 56 i think

on the rise

the alt next tier for sure

[hollow river]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[viscid spear]

Frost Mage is pretty fun, a change from Sin Rogue for sure

[echo geyser]

did u try fire

[timid cloud]

I’m more of an arcane enjoyer.

[oak sky]

fire and frost are both nice and easy and chill

arcane has a lot of waiting but also gets to press arcane orb

[viscid spear]

I prefer Frost

[arctic walrus]

U ready for velsp?

[echo geyser]

sp

[oak sky]

sp

[arctic walrus]

Can’t ask for pi so I have to resort to other means

[spice spire]

You’re almost as geared as my rogue

[echo geyser]

what about quakewar

[spice spire]

quakewar only 232

[thorny pond]

Quake survival?

[spice spire]

nah, not even I'

m that down bad

[thorny pond]

Ice is crying in a bathroom somewhere

[spice spire]

ice has a vision

i don't

[oak sky]

@echo geyser

[thorny pond]

Vision of a Demon Hunter

[gusty mirage]

gets one external filled run and becomes addicted to the wow heroin

smh

[thorny pond]

Copium

[arctic walrus]

At least I ain’t a fairy bruh

💀 💀

Gonna show that to the judge and I’m walkin out

[oak sky]

ong

its a ranged tier

[gusty mirage]

with a take like that I'm sure skip and guy will enjoy you frolicking in #outlaw

[brazen zodiac]

hey agreon i hope ur day rocked

[oak sky]

it didn't!

[brazen zodiac]

:o

:c

well i hope ur sleep kicks ass

!

[oak sky]

sleep is a long way off

maybe it will tho

[brazen zodiac]

what time is it for u

i just took a fat nap now ima go watch my guild die to rive

[oak sky]

almost 5 pm

and my sleep schedule is fucked

could be 12h before i get to bed

idk

[brazen zodiac]

f

well uh

i wish u the best of luck !

[nimble tartan]

love a multiclasser

come to my guild

[gusty mirage]

you can't afford my boy

sorry omar

[nimble tartan]

he wants me i can have him

[slow marsh]

I mean you're not wrong to all the above

[arctic walrus]

Just cuz I got a hoe on my dick don’t mean I wanna fuck her

[nimble tartan]

i could have u bro

[arctic walrus]

But yeah I wanna fuck u

[nimble tartan]

gonna slut u out

[arctic walrus]

So this metaphor doesn’t apply

[brazen zodiac]

im interested hello!

[balmy condor]

[arctic walrus]

Don’t recruit rogues omr 💀💀

[brazen zodiac]

be quiet whisypr

[arctic walrus]

I know thinfs

[brazen zodiac]

ur interested too

[arctic walrus]

Of the future

[balmy condor]

Down horrendous

[brazen zodiac]

how was ur day

i made spicy ramen with steak u wanna bite

[balmy condor]

Just got to work otherwise fine

[brazen zodiac]

f

hope its a smooth work shift

[balmy condor]

Should be

[glad siren]

could i bother everyone for a quick sylv shard question... other then frost should i be using BEK or should i be swapping that out for something else? (damage wise )

[brazen zodiac]

idk im usin the zed one rn but

[balmy condor]

I recommend bek personally cause it at least does a little bit of p1 and p2 damage

But zed is fine

Does some extra p3 damage

Honestly they’re both so low impact

[brazen zodiac]

beks the one that epeople tell u to take off right

[balmy condor]

It really shouldn’t matter

[balmy condor]

Yeh

The uber min-max is wearing bek then swapping to zed in the p2 intermission

[brazen zodiac]

i like bek for the adds but if im feelin zed its a zed night

thats

based?

i didnt know u could switch em mid fight

[nimble tartan]

dam fr bro

[balmy condor]

Yeh kinda cringe

[nimble tartan]

alright lemme break the news to my trial

[balmy condor]

Not skip?

[brazen zodiac]

i thought the bek was useless tho cuz of sylvs health?

[balmy condor]

Not skip is going to be devastated bro

[balmy condor]

Last 5% technically

[slow marsh]

Who is not skip

[brazen zodiac]

ahhh okay

[balmy condor]

Idk some new guy

[brazen zodiac]

thx sir

[balmy condor]

New identity

[slow marsh]

O

[balmy condor]

His previous transgressions have caused him to run from his pain and troubled past

Searching for meaning

[slow marsh]

Been there done that

[balmy condor]

And jumping platforms for arrows

[brazen zodiac]

and sometimes

jumping off platforms for cope

[oak sky]

what about my past transgressions

[slow marsh]

You mean your current transgressions cough KA

[oak sky]

no idea what ur talking about

[slow marsh]

O

[balmy condor]

You just like getting stepped on that’s fine

I respect the kinks man

[oak sky]

I shouldve told them I was friends with one of the guys that writes the APL

that wouldve been cool

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

Yikes

[balmy condor]

Yeah without asking me

[slow marsh]

Who does that

Fuckin cringe

[balmy condor]

That way I could be surprised

[oak sky]

yeah i wouldnt do that

come on

[brazen zodiac]

hey i saw someone say the KA bug was patched? that true?

[slow marsh]

Sac bug

[arctic walrus]

It’s the damage redirect bug 🤓☝️

[oak sky]

either way i know what i would do next time this happens

[slow marsh]

One day I'll be good enough

[oak sky]

which means its never gonna happen again

[brazen zodiac]

do u usually save cds for the 1st and 2nd burn in p2

i noticed my cds arent up for 2nd burn when i use it on the first so

[drifting cloud]

they come back after veil

[balmy condor]

From my understanding you get half a vend in the second burn

Yeah

After the veil

[brazen zodiac]

ahh okay

[drifting cloud]

its more than half

just not full

[limber lion]

Yeh

[brazen zodiac]

i figured that was the case just felt a little silly

so u wanna smash it after the veil?

rad

[limber lion]

It gets a bit scuffed sometimes if you get to vendetta late in to the first burn

[brazen zodiac]

sup cev whats poppin

[balmy condor]

I’m more of a glass half more than full empty kinda guy myself

[brazen zodiac]

yeahhh

[limber lion]

like if you're on the platform that's second to getting to sylv

[brazen zodiac]

im just been kinda puttin a gar and rupture on goliath and smackin the other dude but i noticed the goliath just kinda takes forever to die before first burn

ive*

[oak sky]

this really sucks

[brazen zodiac]

which is keepin us from meeting at the same time

[limber lion]

Being the first ones on the first burn is the important bit

being a bit late on the second one doesn't matter too much

you get to vendetta after the veil anyways

[brazen zodiac]

tbh i kinda just press it before that then sprint last second

ig it doesnt really matter or maybe it does xd

[ebon notch]

bruh

we lusted 3rd platform today

but i didnt realise until we got there

i had literally nothing up

wanted to cry

[strange python]

we just saw p3 today for the first time

felt good

after a month of progress 😭

[ebon notch]

you feel good

😉

[gusty mirage]

you got this

[strange python]

i was instructed to save cds for the second split tho idk if it's the right thing. probably is

vendetta comes back i think right after we phase onto the platforms so its cool

[ebon notch]

i vendetta the goliath

then the second burn

but use flag on 2nd split

[brazen zodiac]

hm

maybe ill do that actually

u put rupture and gar on the other guy then?

before u blow vendetta on goliath

[subtle kiln]

let the aoe specs handle the cds there and blow up sylvanas

[ebon notch]

no

i just send it

walk in with tricks

fok

mut, garrote, vendetta + flag, rupture, shiv, vanish etc.

[brazen zodiac]

based

just tried it

was able to get to the first burn at the same time lmfao

[viscid spear]

My Ocular Gland is giving me Haste, should I be trying to get my Crit up?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[viscid spear]

It must take the actual value instead of percentage then

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[oak sky]

percent wouldnt make much sense

[gusty mirage]

most of those trinkets/abilities do

[oak sky]

mastery and stuff are way too different

[gusty mirage]

yeah mastery rating to % is dif for every spec

[viscid spear]

I really need to up my Crit then

[balmy condor]

20.59 mastery per 1% of Assassination mastery

[brazen zodiac]

🗒️

[viscid spear]

678 Crit to 780 Haste when I subtract what Ocular gives me 😛

[balmy condor]

670 crit

[brazen zodiac]

oh my

[viscid spear]

I replaced Decanter with Ocular

[brazen zodiac]

i think u may need a tad bit more crit

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[brazen zodiac]

i am no whisypr tho so

[balmy condor]

Like

400 more crit

[brazen zodiac]

crit check

[balmy condor]

Okay well that’s a little extreme

But yeh

670

[brazen zodiac]

LMFAO

really?

[balmy condor]

Is like pre-nathria

[brazen zodiac]

nothin else has simmed higher

[viscid spear]

Okay, I tricked it lol

[balmy condor]

I think my t27 profiles are around 1100

[brazen zodiac]

huh

is it cool if i link u a sim in a bit

maybe im simmin wrong lul

[viscid spear]

Equipped Decanter to get Crit above Haste and put Ocular back on

[brazen zodiac]

ocular based

[balmy condor]

I just checked

[viscid spear]

I even had Crit food and Crit tea

[balmy condor]

The 184 pre nathria profile

Had 630

I was off by 40

@brazen zodiac yeah t27 has 930 crit 770 haste

[zenith coral]

wich legendarie/covenant is rogue assassination using in m+ rn?

[limber lion]

Venthyr with Obedience or Zoldyck.

Obedience is a safe pick for all content.

[zenith coral]

with theotar?

[brazen zodiac]

ya i think

theo pretty based

[limber lion]

Yes, Theotar

[zenith coral]

subtetly is boring af

i cant

[viscid spear]

I just need the ring & chest from Sylvie then

Would def help my damage if I actually had the Crit to run Dashing

[oak sky]

i forgor to pot on the nine

and i didnt even do well

[drifting cloud]

[oak sky]

i also missed a cast of countermeasures

because my macro didnt work

[brazen zodiac]

[viscid spear]

[hollow river]

I usually spam my macro buttons and glance at my WA because of this

[oak sky]

my tracker was gone

[spice spire]

I was about to say

this happens to me in mythics all the fucking time

thank god for the tracker

[oak sky]

bruh i keep getting blueballed for pi on guardian

[spark scaffold]

First boss on mists is pretty pog with nadjia if you phase during buff

[junior rampart]

As far as I have seen, Nadja procs always at wrong time. Lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Part of the reason why people don’t really run nadjia anymore

[oak sky]

I have now done an amount of damage on guardian

no more log shaming

[balmy condor]

We’ll find something else

If anything we’ll just shake your wcl early inferior talent selections

Call it gaslighting

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

Blindsided by that one huh

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

Lot of vigor from that statement

[oak sky]

indeed

[past belfry]

Is sin looking any better for keys in 9.2?

[balmy condor]

As good as right now

[past belfry]

Oof

[surreal prism]

So it's....

ass?

[past belfry]

Ahaaa ahaaa

[fathom flax]

So perfect for your low effort gamer weekly 15

[balmy condor]

I mean sin is fine for like mid 20’s

[fathom flax]

I enjoy it

[spice spire]

I feinted surprise by this

[foggy thicket]

Guys, for assa, a 252 dagger with crit in main hand is better than a syl dagger 246?

I'm with low crit (about 40%)

[drifting cloud]

yes

[fathom flax]

{sim/yo/self}

[misty holly]

Playing on alliance, even doing +15s is considered high effort.

[bleak sky]

Sin is decent in keys stop buying into sub propaganda

[balmy condor]

Cope

[bleak sky]

No u

What you gonna do now huh

[glass tulip]

we all know that underneath whispyr's orange and green roles

he's really a blue guy

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’m always feeling a little blue

[arctic walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/holding-fart-hold-explosion-red-face-gif-9542860

Whispyr? Blue?

[misty holly]

Whispyr

[gusty mirage]

stay mad

[fleet anchor]

Not Survival, don’t even bother queueing for keys

[bleak sky]

io check glad check not lawyer check

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[gusty mirage]

still 2594, still 1860, and still a lawyer

[fleet anchor]

I think I prefer Assassination if I’m honest. Sub in keys is boring.

[bleak sky]

god dammit you got me

[gusty mirage]

ngl when I get fae to 80

I'll have run out of things to do

[bleak sky]

I'm kinda scared of how sin is gonna be in keys next patch

[gusty mirage]

nothing's actually pulling me to want to log in

[fleet anchor]

But Sub is kinda nice when I just wanna chat on Discord while pressing 2 buttons over and over

[gusty mirage]

sin keys or sub keys I'm still kind of

[bleak sky]

time to go outlaw

[gusty mirage]

time to unsub*

[oak sky]

same

i even got KA logs

[bleak sky]

fair enough

[fleet anchor]

Although at the moment I’m kinda in no keys mode because why bother. So I’m probably not one to talk.

[bleak sky]

9.2 is right around the corner anyway

[fleet anchor]

I actually haven’t run a key in like 3 months lol

[bleak sky]

you cleared sod right?

[fleet anchor]

Yeah quite some time ago

[oak sky]

i might play the push week i kinda gave up on the title tho

[bleak sky]

no reason to log in at all

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I mean if my guild said we wanted to take a break until patch

I wouldn’t put up a fight

😛

[oak sky]

i have a mage i'm gonna level and maybe do some low raids idk

[bleak sky]

you guys doing sales at least?

[fleet anchor]

But raid is only one night a week so not the worst in the world

Not really much reason to do much else though

9.2 needs to come lol

[bleak sky]

yeah asap

gearing alts is a shit show because shards so it's hard to justify

main chars are already geared balls to the walls so no point in playing them

it's really just 9.2 waiting room

[fleet anchor]

Yeah shards with no catch up was an odd decision/oversight for 9.1.5

Feels funny to be sitting on like 350 on my Rogue with nothing to do with them

[bleak sky]

[fleet anchor]

Can’t even get sockets or anything it’s kinda funny. They should have added some BoA transfer item for them or something

[bleak sky]

it's sad out there for alts

or returning players

[dire jackal]

i just returned and people are gatekeeping hard

[fallow otter]

this is kinda fun

[fleet anchor]

I almost thought about making an alt but just decided not to. Just messing around with my Rogue and waiting for patch

[dire jackal]

wanna do hc sod? yeah bring aotc achievement, wanna do normal sod? yeah bring aotc achievement

[bleak sky]

If you can sneak your alt into your main run it's not THAT bad

[dire jackal]

i rerolled sahaman to get into guilds for my rogue 5head

[fleet anchor]

We’ve had alts joining raid

[dire jackal]

everyone loves shamans

[fleet anchor]

It’s not too bad if it’s just for fun but they are hilariously behind

[bleak sky]

r3 shards vs r5 shards

[fleet anchor]

What’s like 12% damage?

Nbd

[bleak sky]

just a crutch tbh

[fleet anchor]

I guess I need to spend a couple days getting NF from 40 to 80 though

[glass tulip]

comp stomp week

[fathom flax]

JPC is just a psyop

[fleet anchor]

I’ve been lulled into inactivity by the Kyrian brainwashing

[fathom flax]

Hired by the Russian trolls to discourage sin play

[fleet anchor]

Those muted colors keep me from moving out of my order hall

[bleak sky]

I got a whole 2 renown from running HC as Kyrian sub

[fleet anchor]

Haha

Big gamer alert!

[oak sky]

in like 4 days only from dailies and weeklies i got 73 renown on fae

[fleet anchor]

Yeah it’s pretty fast atm

[bleak sky]

not bad tbh

better than running torghys all day

[oak sky]

havent touched it since yesterday tho

cba to torgy

[fleet anchor]

I got Kyrian up on the patch launch from 1 kinda ridiculously fast

Only have half to go on NF since I played it at launch so not too concerned

I’m happy to go NF. NF zone is chill.

Plus get to collect Soulshapes!!

[bleak sky]

penguin soulshape is gonna be bis

[gusty mirage]

🐧

[bleak sky]

longboi soulshape as well

[gusty mirage]

I got kyrian to 78 like 3 weeks ago and I cba to finish it, but I did get a renown on painsmith today lol

[fleet anchor]

Haha

[gusty mirage]

necro's like 72, fae's 72 now, kyr is 79

[fleet anchor]

I mean the last few don’t matter anyway

[marble hemlock]

yeah

empowered conduits are pretty whatever

[gusty mirage]

good to stop after like what? 74ish?

[fleet anchor]

Need that title!

[gusty mirage]

true and the mounts

[oak sky]

79 is last enhanced conduit

[flint pond]

KA isn't as effective in m+ right? because no frost set?

[gusty mirage]

if you're venthyr, it's still really good

because crit's good for sin

[marble hemlock]

Its still good for you, but its usually better on someone else, since Assa doesn't have that great a CD to stack it with regularly

[gusty mirage]

but yeah like seli said

its better for others

#lifeofarogue

[marble hemlock]

You typically give it to monk for AoE, and rogue (sub) for singletarget.

[surreal prism]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[tulip kernel]

should i be Mutilating or Env at 4 cp

[bleak sky]

env if not running deeper stratagems

[gusty mirage]

you should be envenoming

[bleak sky]

finish at max-1

[tulip kernel]

wow i been mutilating this whole time i suck

smh

[gusty mirage]

nah you don't suck, it happens

[tulip kernel]

call the rogue police on me

thanks yall

[bleak sky]

[brazen zodiac]

ur learning

pog

[flint pond]

obedience good in m+? don't have the stuff to make zoldyk :(

[brazen zodiac]

yes sir

[flint pond]

cool, ty!

[steel ridge]

Benevolent Faerie: Increases the cooldown recovery rate of your target's major ability by 100%. Follows your does this work for duskwalker in particular?

or does it just shave a flat 20 seconds of vendetta?

[oak sky]

yo im rank 3 healing all stars now lol

I bet if I got a fatescribe rekill i could be rank 1

[bleak sky]

dang about to get hired by Liquid then

[balmy condor]

Duskwalkers is it’s own thing

[oak sky]

everyone loves healing logs

[bleak sky]

I cant log heal

my healers are sniping my crimson vial 😠

[oak sky]

fr

my pallys get better damage parses than everyone in the entire raid

[steel ridge]

whats the best raid target for those faeries?

[balmy condor]

Probably fire mage

[steel ridge]

[oak sky]

its always fire mage

[timid cloud]

I’m coming for you.

Rank 9 right now.

I just checked...

I’m #50 in the world for DPS healing...

I am so fucking greedy.

[steel ridge]

my healing logs were better before i changed guild

[oak canopy]

for sin should i just macro salvaged fusion with flag?

[hollow river]

you can yeah as long as you're not using obedience

[limber lion]

It's not ideal, but good enough I guess

[hollow river]

i just have never run into a time where i would not be pressing them both together. if i'm going to have time to utilize my entire flag then i'll have time to utilize my entire trinket

i'm also a little lazy but i was always pressing them together anyway

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber lion]

The thing is

If you were to "utilize the trinket to it's full potential", then you'd press it after flag

Because it's a hasted trinket

You do more damage with it with the haste you get from Flag

Macroing them together is a direct dps loss overall

You should press SFA 5s in to your flag to get the full 20s value in the biggest haste portion of flag.

[hollow river]

except the entire flag buff is inside the trinket

i mean yeah ig

but show me how much dps % that's worth

because i highly doubt it's > than say, missing a cast obv, but i doubt it's even 0.5%

[steel ridge]

does it scale with haste and/or attackspeed?

[jaunty kayak]

more haste = more attacks = more trinket procs xd

[limber lion]

Yes, but it starts from 0%. You're already at like 15% at 5s

But like I said, you don't have to do that

But it is not optimal, whatsoever

[alpine latch]

I have always macro'd my trinkets. While it's not optimal, it's better than missing casts

[limber lion]

You seem to have misunderstood the "missing casts" thing

[alpine latch]

Naw, there was entire fights where I'd use my trinket like 1 time, or none

[limber lion]

Delaying a trinket for 4s in the opener and then using it on cooldown everytime

will not end up with you losing a cast of the trinket

it's not an instant effect like Dreadfire Vessel was

You said the same thing that NoTrickz was saying as well, but it's not the brightest take, when the only time you'd delay it is 4 seconds in the opener

you don't do it every single time

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I get that. I'm just saying that historically, my trinket usage was abysmal so I tend to stick to passive trinkets or I just macro is because otherwise I wind up not using it at all

[limber lion]

But yeah, if you have problem remembering to press it, it's fine to just macro it together

Yeah no worries, hah!

[subtle kiln]

time to look at the apl for that trinket @limber lion, pretty sure it’s using it on pull and on cd

not saying it’s wrong to hold it 4 seconds, just not what’s in the apl currently.

[limber lion]

That's correct

Whispyr found gains for it previously, but because it's such a small change to a trinket that we won't be using in 9.2, it's kinda whatever at this point

[subtle kiln]

my trusting of the sims is ruined forever.

watch we still end up using the 252 because NF things

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

252 iqd or what

[limber lion]

I'm super confident that we won't be using any old 9.1 gear in 9.2

[slow marsh]

Ofc

[vestal wren]

depends on what happens to daggers

[normal mist]

How much % dmg during a whole fight like, lets say guardian, are the daggers doing as a sub @vestal wren ?

[limber lion]

again, I'm super confident they introduce a better weapon or they disable the effect.

[normal mist]

Sylvanas ones ofc

[limber lion]

Scarizard designed them and he's aware of what the daggers can do

And he designs the new items in the raid

[vestal wren]

ye ofc

[vestal wren]

its more of a issue for sub/outlaw. Sin does not benefit as much from the daggers

[normal mist]

I know, i edited :p

[vestal wren]

a sylavans dagger atm still beats a mythic dagger in offhand

also i am unsure if its a issue

because the slot by itself is rather boring/weak

[subtle kiln]

the daggers are also supposed to be special from a RP element

so you can play that on both sides.

[gusty mirage]

Good morning fellow stabby bleedy friends

[bleak sky]

gm

[strange python]

gm

[normal mist]

Good evening

[slow marsh]

GM I'm tired

[normal mist]

Worked dueing the night?

[spice spire]

GM sinful gamers. I hope you all have a great day, and give whispyr a rest on the requests

[bleak sky]

No no it's whispyr pinging time

[slow marsh]

Na I just couldn't sleep and had to wake up early for gym. Still not used to it

[normal mist]

Luckely for me i have no idea what it feels like not to sleep during the night. Its not that i sleep like 8hours a day, its usually just 5 or 6 but once I get to the bed, i just zzzZzZZ

[alpine latch]

Is there a tea-sim somewhere that I can grab the code from?

I know I've done it before but I don't remember the string

[echo geyser]

yeah in sub faq

[slow marsh]

It's in #subtlety-faq

i'm slow

[echo geyser]

well u made it clickable so u save palmer time

thats a cf move tbh

[slow marsh]

chill

[echo geyser]

+1 rep @slow marsh

[slow marsh]

[alpine latch]

lol

I knew it was somewhere

Thanks guys

[spice spire]

Shadowlands.party_favor_type= (insert stat there)

@alpine latch

[alpine latch]

That's too complicated

Do it for me

[echo geyser]

ill do a guess

crit > haste > vers

[spice spire]

Pretty solid guess

[echo geyser]

agi?

agi last

[spice spire]

Crit > haste >>vers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agi

[echo geyser]

quake is a raidbot

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I mostly want to check when I should run Dauntless Duelist if my tea choice blows

Especially for m+, when is it better to run a key as Nadjia and not Theotar

I'm trying to optimize for m+ more as we continue pushing higher and higher (for us, it's low keys for you guys)

[spice spire]

Pretty sure it’s literally everything except agi for running theo in m+

[alpine latch]

I've been practicing Sub in the clanhall a bit. Probably going to farm some 15s with my buddy's alt and get a feel for it and see if I enjoy it or not

I genuinely enjoy m+ as Sin

[gusty mirage]

If you get agi or vers you could get away with nadjia

For raid at least

For m+ you’ll always take Theo

[spice spire]

Even with agi tea? I’ve been going nadjia then 😛

It’s the only time I’d go nadjia

[gusty mirage]

Even with agi tea

Dauntless kinda sucks in m+

[spice spire]

lil bit, yeah

[gusty mirage]

Poison/bleed ticks can pick your new dauntless target

And that’s kind of cringe

[copper sundial]

[gusty mirage]

Just accept our blue pixie dust filled future

[copper sundial]

I just got 80

I guess its kyrian time?

[grand ridge]

I keep telling myself to make x legendary for the next patch

Level x covenant for the next patch

[gusty mirage]

We’re at that point in the patch where we struggling to create our own content

[grand ridge]

I'm just too lazy

I'm going to stay venthyr until the patch and hard switch to the right one

After everyone has figured out the right one

[gusty mirage]

It’s figured out

It’ll be fae

[copper sundial]

Gotta be night fae i already picked put my soulshape

[gusty mirage]

Venthyr until tier pieces are acquired, then fae

[spice spire]

Unless some omega 5Head optimization comes through

It’s 100% fae

[gusty mirage]

Perfect time to farm more soul shapes

I want the alpaca one

[copper sundial]

The snake is cool, looks funny spamming jump

[spice spire]

Corgi critter shape is bis tho

[gusty mirage]

Not being able to use critter shapes all the time is grief

[spice spire]

100%

[copper sundial]

Im guessing it has something to do with pvp?

[subtle kettle]

Why’s nf pulling ahead of venth? Flag just not scale well with the sin set bonus?

[echo geyser]

soulshape > door of shadows

[strange python]

sepsis is a poison and sin set amplifies poisons basically

[subtle kettle]

Calling incoming damage healer mechanics > moving

Ohhh it scales with the shiv. That makes sense

[slow marsh]

2p + 9.1.5 septic shock buff makes sepsis do real damage, venthyr cds aren't lined up cleanly so it feels real janky,

[spice spire]

Janky is ur middle name mr. iceblades

[slow marsh]

well closer to my last name but yeah close enough I suppose

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Got it on my druid, where do you even get it from xd

[slow marsh]

i think it's a world boss drop

[limber lion]

Pog

[junior rampart]

Have it on mage. Alpaca soulshape jumping best.

[alpine latch]

Oh I thought you meant the alpaca mount

I got all of those

Freaking love those things. They are derpy and so happy with their mountspecial

[clever kindle]

my favorite mounts are the 6 month ones for free with my sub so I can collect the tears of users who whisper me about them

No other mount comes with free human suffering and rage

[gusty mirage]

people actually whisper you about them?

wtf

[normal mist]

Its actually a thing yeah

[gusty mirage]

lmao what

[normal mist]

As much as i love asmongold, he started it

[gusty mirage]

people get mad at the dumbest shit

holy

[normal mist]

With the /spit on ppl with store mounts

I get the idea "the best unique mounts are stuck behind a paywall and there is a new one every 6 months but meanwhile the game hasn't received anything new for 'decades' so we are pissed off"

[nocturne geode]

i dont think ive ever gotten a whisper from a 6 month mount

those people are cringe

for whispering you

[normal mist]

Ikr!

[clever kindle]

I normally just spend my time thereafter taking apart their achievements and logs if im bored

The issue is potently ironic being that half of those people snap reacted and went and played Final Fantasy which is loaded with paid cosmetics, literally flushing your own argument

[slow marsh]

yeah paying for cosmetics is whatevers who cares

I think the driving force is that people are upset at the wow token itself and if they think for some reason that if there weren't store mounts then there'd be no wow token

[hollow dirge]

Fuck store mounts. Nobody cares. But wow token is another story.

[spice spire]

Nah, it’s also the achievement purists who hate that you can pay to bloat your mount count

[slow marsh]

oh

that's even worse

[bleak sky]

My achievement points oh no

[spice spire]

There’s column a and column b here.
People are cring

[normal mist]

As someone who played ff for like 4 months last year, i gotta admit that our paid transmog/mounts are worse than their f2p gear, transmog wise

[hollow dirge]

I think everything in ff14 looks worse than wow as I really dislike the anime graphics. That’s how it is with visuals, all in the eye of the beholder

[bleak sky]

Wow just needs a catgirl race and it's the supreme mmo forever

[normal mist]

Yes i know, they just put a lot of work for their gear not to be so simetric (idk if this is the right word) as we have in wow. Especially dresses xD

[normal mist]

Yes please.

[balmy condor]

Bruh I’m literally right fucking here man wtf

[normal mist]

Not you tho

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

A sexier one

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

Someone posted a pic of zizaran on offtopic

[fleet anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-dance-world-of-warcraft-dance-cute-moves-gif-16194982

[bleak sky]

And I thought "damn that's whispyr in 10 years"

[normal mist]

Almost there.

[bleak sky]

Why you gotta do him like that

[normal mist]

We gotta be real here fam

Either he steps up

[balmy condor]

I’ve gotten zizaran and 2019 markiplier more often than I can count

[bleak sky]

Markiplier? Tf

[normal mist]

Or he wont make it to the sexy cat tier list

Mark goat

[balmy condor]

Yeh insert any generic white-ish guy with colored hair

WOW YOU LOOK JUST LIKE HIM

[normal mist]

Jackspecticeye?

[bleak sky]

hey I had the decency to think 10 years into the future

[balmy condor]

With unus anus I got Ethan legitimately once a week almost

Was terrible

[normal mist]

I havent seen any vid from that yt channel. Found it days before being deleted

[slow marsh]

My biggest gripe about ff was the combat system. It's just clunky compared to WoW. Everything else is cool though. It does seem like WoW is starting to up the transmog game a bit, that's a huge part of FF

[strange python]

I don’t like the graphic style and combat

[normal mist]

i complained about the combat for days until i reached lvl 50+ where we get a bunch of ogcds and it really smooths out

aka every 2.5 sec we can press 2 abilities in between

gcd 2.5 = we can fit 2 ogcd inside those 2.5

but YES it isnt as SMOOTH as WoW.

[slow marsh]

ye i got to that point on nin but like it just plays like a console mmo

with the 123

[clever kindle]

yes but hows the alt tab

[strange python]

Go to the waking sands 😴

[clever kindle]

the year is 2022 and no game has managed to copy the smoothness of WoWs alt tab

[normal mist]

waking sands is literally the start of the "vanilla FF14"

[normal mist]

i can confirm this.

[strange python]

yeah you probably go there back and forth like 50 times

[normal mist]

i havent played endwalker, but i did end shadowbringers

[clever kindle]

I played FF14 years ago it's just the jrpg quest structure doesnt really keep me coming back, kinda felt similar to monster hunter I guess

[normal mist]

... minimun!

[strange python]

I was losing it 😂

[clever kindle]

played SWTOR when it was relevent

that was probably the closest any mmo has flown to the sun in terms of competing with WoW

for a year or so

Slow decline because they didn't know how to handle an MMO and content releases

[normal mist]

But the social aspect of FF14 is light years ahead of WoW, and that really hyped me up, plus the EPIC boss musics / background musics.

[clever kindle]

I wish WoW would have yoinked the Jobs system but thats my biggest takeaway from ff14

community here is different, I think if you tried to or added a lot of those social features you'd just get a lot of angry posts talking about wasted development, people aren't interested in the MMO portion of the game so much these days

[bleak sky]

good pve > good rp stuff

[normal mist]

But i also believe thats blizzard's fault. because FF has dungeon queues and they still are super polite, friendly and helpful

[bleak sky]

is there a M+ like thing in FF14 or nah

[normal mist]

I feel like im the dude that defends ff14 to the bone and i dont want to pass that vibe, its just that i played it recently so im just giving my opinion.

[normal mist]

No

their endgame is savage raids / extreme trials

[clever kindle]

I don't see how the community at large is Blizzard's fault other then WoW having been their place to congregate. Ultimately I think people go into the games with different mindsets

There was always a disparity between the image the company wanted to display and who its players really are

I think it was Legion where Sodapoppin didn't even get a beta invite lol. Stuff like that to me is hilarious

You're willing to spend time and resources on a 200 viewer stream but not engage with the core of your community

[normal mist]

We cant even compare wow and FF14. They are legit dif games, where WoW its a rush to max level and start the grind whereas ff is a story telling game with an mmo complement

FF you have to do all its MSQ (main story quest, aka doing all the story from the "vanilla ff" thru the most recent expansion) and in wow you just skip most of it

[clever kindle]

final fantasy story never makes any sense tho

[normal mist]

?

[clever kindle]

(jk, halfway)

[normal mist]

I cried more times i care to admit honestly xD

[solid venture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cKNX52cLhuCE7g2fKTWVbp anyone else sims telling them to go double sinful revelation?

[clever kindle]

The totality of Final Fantasy lore is a clusterfuck, but they have some advantages on telling stories in the short scale

[normal mist]

the story telling is excelent imho

[clever kindle]

WoW cant just delete the world and say boom shit happened

go agane

(again)

[normal mist]

yeah yeah 100% agreed

but they did that during "vanilla"

[clever kindle]

Legion was probably the model I wish they would have kept for storytelling

felt the most immersive

[loud light]

this is mostly expected. the enchant variations are within margin of error (literally 2 dps out of 12k), and only applicable if you're hitting 1 target

[solid venture]

ah ok guess i'll stick to good old theotar then

[slow marsh]

if you play obedience i think nadjia will sim higher including crit tea

[pseudo hamlet]

wait... what? You have probably BIS gear and I didn't even progressed past the Nine and the difference is "only" ~550dps. That's crazy 😮
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6VK5UVtJX24xGHFM2QDwkg

[slow marsh]

He doesn't have wft on

[pseudo hamlet]

Hmmm 🤔 checking it out anyway

[clever kindle]

which is like a 3% gain I think

[slow marsh]

it's roughly 500 dps xD

a bit more cuz dashing but ye wft is kinda big

[spice spire]

I was about to say bis is over 12k iirc

But yeah wft

[balmy condor]

BiS on me kid

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah, it's 600dps actually! Crazy!

[spice spire]

Omw my way papi

[pseudo hamlet]

Still kinda higher smaller margin than I did expect!

[bleak sky]

so can anyone call him a sub otp?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[bleak sky]

asking for a friend, wondering if the threat applies

[spice spire]

It’s only about 5 ilvl.
Having the faulty is the big bit

[bleak sky]

600 dps is still a lot of friggin damage

[pseudo hamlet]

Of course! But compared to the nearly bis gear(?) to mine is like... totally different!

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah I was lucky I got it like 2 days before the end of TW

[solid venture]

yeah no windstick in my raid

[gusty mirage]

12.2 but who’s counting

[spice spire]

Strong flex

[gusty mirage]

I’m not 12.2

Missing a 252 phial

[balmy condor]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[scenic kelp]

are there some infos about leather rnd drops from sepulcher? 😄

[solid venture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fJAKv3VPSZVJLDEcThnALb yeh... wtb friendly windfury boi for my guild so i can improve my all stars rank

[kindred rapids]

Why does fatescribe give all star points

[fleet anchor]

Fatescribe is better for parsing fair than Soulrender

[boreal zenith]

Hi, very extremely new to Rogue but do you want to use Garrote out of stealth for damage?

So basically uptime ~95%?

[balmy condor]

only if you're using subterfuge

but your uptime should be above 95%

[strange python]

One question, how should I use MFD on the opening?

[spice spire]

APL has it during your vanish window.
…. Vanish, mut env mfd env

It’s there to make our flag window as large as possible

[strange python]

Oh and SnD?

[clever kindle]

that seems weird

normally you would double mut env to capitalize on the 4s MA buff

[boreal zenith]

So then question

[clever kindle]

then mfd env

[kindred rapids]

possibly, I don't really enjoy parsing on soulrender either

[balmy condor]

incorrect

[boreal zenith]

is this a correct way to open? weird that you can mutilate then ambush

[kindred rapids]

but fatescribe just depends on not getting rune assignments

[balmy condor]

you want to vanish mut env mfd env

[spice spire]

Normal opener

[clever kindle]

You're wasting a crit window then are you not

[balmy condor]

you're using it on envenom

[balmy condor]

yeah I think that's an artifact of 9.1/9.2 apl transitions, you should mut snd mut from stealth right now, and ambush from stealth next patch

[strange python]

Oh, so just normal opener but mfd to extend flag buff/dmg

Kk

[boreal zenith]

How so? Do you not open with ambush?

And sorry if I'm asking a lot, am very new

[balmy condor]

you play MA currently

and with MA, mutilate is better

[boreal zenith]

So in stealth, I mutilate > ambush?

[balmy condor]

currently, yes

you mut snd mut

[boreal zenith]

Interesting...

[clever kindle]

So you crit an envenom but miss out on a potential 100 points of energy for further cp spending doesnt that lower the amount of stacks you finish with

[balmy condor]

[clever kindle]

sorry 50 pts not 100

[slow marsh]

[balmy condor]

mut env mut and env mut env are already within margin of error

it already doesn't matter

this has been simmed countless times

I promise you

its good

idk what the "potential 50 points of energy" thing is

but uhhh

[boreal zenith]

So basically, I want to make sure I have all poison up

[clever kindle]

yeah either way, probably just mess up my rhythm more

2 extra combo points from a crit

but

[boreal zenith]

Poison and bleeds

[clever kindle]

is 50 energy

[drifting cloud]

it literally doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

you can't equate that

50 energy is not 2 cp

[clever kindle]

thats what it is because thats what it costs to cast mutilate

so

[balmy condor]

mutilate does nothing except cp

yep

good math

👍

[spice spire]

It is within margin - I have asked several rogues about it.
You can absolutely do either, it does not matter.
I just give the APL answer to be safe in advice giving

[clever kindle]

Right because clearly I was doing intense math on this and aiming for accuracy 🤓 excuse me Ill show my work next time when discussing something

[drifting cloud]

I do it different every time to screw up with the apl

[spice spire]

And I know whispyr explores literally everything

[clever kindle]

Im clearly too stupid and dont realize mutilate does damage

silly me

[spice spire]

I mean I’ve been watching 9.2, literally everything.
Stuff that shouldn’t be good, in case it is

[slow marsh]

everything ?

[balmy condor]

you should be aiming for accuracy if you're going to argue an APL difference that's within margin of error

[slow marsh]

[spice spire]

[drifting cloud]

well youre doing potato napkin math and you think you know more than a robot soo yeah

[clever kindle]

I was never arguing an APL difference

but go off

I asked a question

[boreal zenith]

Wait then a question

Do you vanish for mutilate?

[balmy condor]

you stated that normally you would do the opposite of what the sim does

[boreal zenith]

Or sorry MA?

[balmy condor]

there's no question

[clever kindle]

Yes, that was the question

[slow marsh]

Ye shiv vanish mutilate

[balmy condor]

there's literally no question in that entire statement

[boreal zenith]

Wait why shiv? I thought shiv was like a soothe

[subtle kiln]

.!mute role outlaw

[boreal zenith]

Or am I thinking Outlaw

[slow marsh]

it's a nature damage amp for sin

[spice spire]

Outlaw, it buffs poison damage for sin

[inland hull]

Slam shiv on cd

[spice spire]

Including envenom