assassination

[oak sky]

i mean how annoying they are

nf has so much travel around the map and stupid quests in far away zones

[viscid spear]

She's just Durotan's mate and pooped out a green turd, I don't like her being a Rogue representative

[oak sky]

is draka a rogue?

[dawn ivy]

i think shes a warrior?

huh

[slow marsh]

but draka is thralls mom reeee

[dawn ivy]

shes just casually multi classing

[slow marsh]

multiclass

what is this 2e dnd

[kindred rapids]

swashbuckler

[oak sky]

thrall enh shaman

oh wait

[slow marsh]

awk

[oak sky]

he has to be a warrior or hunter because hes so damn stupid with the bridges

[viscid spear]

Warrior in life, somehow a Rogue in death
Despite having no skills

[slow marsh]

it's cuz she's house of eyes

it was in the story line

for necro

she was crying about it

why do i know lore i literally never pay attention to lore stuff

[viscid spear]

Yeah the story makes it seem like she already was a skilled Rogue prior to death, like her skills in life would be most beneficial to the House of Eyes, despite never showing the capabilities in life.

[oak sky]

i only know lore as it relates to what i play through

[slow marsh]

yeah na the story plays out that she wants to be a warrior and take things head on but she has to chill out because of all the betrayal stuff so that's how she gets rogue skills

[viscid spear]

There's no way she's a more capable leader of the "army" section of Shadowlands than freaking Mograine

[slow marsh]

i agree tho they kinda did mograine dirty

[viscid spear]

The section of the Necro questline where he discovers the reasons he was sent to Maldraxxus were great

[slow marsh]

he was the best part of the storyline tru

[viscid spear]

I just don't understand why they overlook him and have him play backup to Draka

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

cuz they aren't very good with building on their pre-existing characters in creative ways

[oak sky]

[viscid spear]

I'm on that slow grind too

[oak sky]

im bouta do korthia for the first time in months to get the jailer weekly done

[viscid spear]

That wouldn't be so bad if there were more groups doing Mor'geth

[glass tulip]

Gotta get it done on reset day

[viscid spear]

I did, still nothing

It's like almost everyone knocks it out 10 minutes after servers go up

[glass tulip]

Rip

I farmed all that junk over the last couple months so I am currently a raid logging andy

Literally no shadowlands content left to farm

[oak sky]

idk i did morgeth yesterday no trouble

[viscid spear]

I don't think I'll be Outlaw at all so I'm not worrying about Kyrian

Maybe once I get NF to 80 I'll just knock out the reset day stuff for Kyrian just in case, idk

[subtle kiln]

just wait until kyrian gets buffed after heroic week.

[slow marsh]

it already got buffed

[subtle kiln]

there’s nothing to do in game. legit no reason not to have all 4 prepped

[bleak sky]

yeah but they're gonna buff pelagos even more

[charred wraith]

yeah lets buff the beast of a Mikanikos which he is now

i want decanter to not have a cap on cdr

[oak sky]

kleia is our best rn but she becomes worse when crit loses value so like

doesnt matter

[charred wraith]

was referencing to a general state

[desert wagon]

so do you want to set up rupture before or after slice and dice?

[pure moth]

after

[balmy condor]

Slice and dice most important button you will ever press

[bleak sky]

so should I spam slice and dice for big gains yes

[balmy condor]

Of course

New apl: oops all slices

[bleak sky]

play deeper strats for 6 combo point slices

or kyrian for animacharged slice

[hollow river]

no raid tonight=boredom

[normal mist]

Go to sleep then

Your body will thank you tomorrow!

[lyric crater]

that doesnt work on snd unless they fix it

[toxic quail]

yeah we full cleared on Tuesday so ive been bored these last 2 days.

[hollow river]

yeah we full cleared in 2 days for the first time

i wanna say fate took us longer than sylv lmao

[toxic quail]

KT is our weakness. usually takes 2-9 wipes

all depends

[hollow river]

we wipe to like every boss painsmith and up

besides guardian

painsmith been going surprisingly well though

after that first week of reclear

[toxic quail]

shit you watch me sometimes, you hear me bitch about my raiders padding and tunneling and causing wipes haha

[hollow river]

yeah lol

i got the upstairs treatment for a few wipes on kt

no i blow CD's on main phase but have to go downstairs for intermissions anyway

[toxic quail]

idk what upstaires looks like man, since this raid came out ive always gone down on every single toon i raid on

[hollow river]

ouch

upstairs is more fun and pad dam

😈

i think after this week we're done doing bs strat on the eye

so that's sick

we've been holding CDs on pull for adds

[toxic quail]

i actually popped off this week on KT with our new strat

i did 11.6k running NF Korayn

so ill take it

[hollow river]

jesus lol

i was on track for a 12k kill

til they put me back downstairs

[toxic quail]

i honestly dont even know how i did that much dmg considering the adds died so quickly

[hollow river]

hmm idk

[thorn fjord]

shout out to @strange python for being a stand up dude

dude got H EoN in a pug with me and messaged me an hour later to give it to me.... what a fucking hero

[spice spire]

king shit

[nocturne geode]

yall think we will still use dusk in dungeons or the pants still?

[gusty mirage]

ye dusk will likely still be the play

it's just a good chunk of prio dam

[nocturne geode]

ight just wondered if maybe the pants could play into the 2/4set

[gusty mirage]

if I had to guesstimate, zold will still be a good dungeon leggo

[oak sky]

zoldyck is more aoe but its unlikely to be worth with how much prio/boss damage dusk will give us

[gusty mirage]

but the cdr on vendetta would probably outweigh it

[nocturne geode]

yea just curious haha thanks

[oak sky]

dslice puts a good amount of weight on st so it makes sense since dusk is waaaay better in st than zold

[marble hemlock]

Also depends a bit on what role Assa will fill

It might very well be the new go-to st/prio damage spec, and then Dusk is obviously the better play. I dont think Zoldyck is gonna be worth it unless Necro somehow becomes the spec to play

[wanton path]

have to do some PTR testing on the next round is obedience still bugged? If so what set up would ppl suggest?

NF?

[balmy condor]

TO dusk

obed is fixed

did they announce more testing?

[oak sky]

i think they announced all the raid testing a bit ago

[wanton path]

TO?

[balmy condor]

fae lego

[wanton path]

kk

[versed mica]

so is NF even more the go to now?

[balmy condor]

yes

NF is better

[echo geyser]

[hollow river]

[echo geyser]

what about m+ any thoughts about that yet? @balmy condor

as sin

nf any good?

or is it only ST juice

[balmy condor]

probably not fae

[echo geyser]

id still pref soulshape in raid over door

[hollow river]

What has the world come to

[echo geyser]

there was the dealer boss u said door was better

rest should be soulshape hopefully

[balmy condor]

xymox

but you'll gate I assume

[echo geyser]

true

[gloomy knoll]

wonder what's bis sin for cleave

since deathspike is so wonky

[wanton path]

still NIYA I assume for NF?

[echo geyser]

nah prob dreamweaver

for st

[slow marsh]

DW / korayn for cleave

[echo geyser]

are potency conduits strong on sin?

[slow marsh]

ehhhh

[echo geyser]

i assume u will always use the cov one

[slow marsh]

yeah

[cursive skiff]

Guild swapping horde. Any suggestion for races? Or just Yolo?

[echo geyser]

• wps + random maybe lps?

[slow marsh]

cov wps and lethal poisons

lethal poisons is a bit stronger right now because we use dashing but it's still solid for aoe

so you could run korayn triple pot

though first strike will still be really good since we aren't mega stacking crit / using MA

[echo geyser]

i wonder if its hard to make use of the haste circle as melee in new raid

idek duration of it

it prob is diff depending on class

[slow marsh]

Just gonna have to peep the sims to see the split in ST prio between dream weaver and korayn probs. But i'm thinking we use korayn for a lot of the fights based on what i've seen on ptr

[echo geyser]

the dreamweaver one

[slow marsh]

yeah the flowers

can be pretty annoying for us

not like DH where they appear wherever you end up after hunt

[bleak sky]

whatever looks pretty to you

[slow marsh]

but dreamweaver also gets the flat 3% damage buff and triple pot and seed for what that's worth for prog

[echo geyser]

i mean isnt dreamweaver simming highest on ST

now and 9.2

[slow marsh]

ye for sure

[echo geyser]

im rly not a fan of the niya trap or w/e

maybe its not that bad on bosses idk

i member playing it on sire

was miserable

[slow marsh]

but most of these fights have cleave

[echo geyser]

i see

[slow marsh]

as in all of them

except skolex

[echo geyser]

i wonder if outlaw gonna be juice

[bleak sky]

niya burrs just feels bad

[slow marsh]

Niya won't be a pick for anything i think. I played around with it for a couple pulls during pantheon since you can kick boss

[wanton path]

whats the best ST set up for now on PTR talents wise

[slow marsh]

and it just doesn't do any damage

Dream weaver triple pot, EP / Subt / Deeper

[wanton path]

ooo subt does that work with the NF cov ability

[slow marsh]

no

[echo geyser]

korayn for cleave beats dreamweaver without first strike or are the fights good for it?

[wanton path]

oh

[slow marsh]

it works with 2p and 4p though

I think korayn without first strike is still juiced for most of the fights but I haven't seen sims yet comparing them with new apl

[echo geyser]

theres some 75 and 25% dmg amps or w/e i think on koryan

[slow marsh]

There's a lot of "this add needs to die now" type of stuff

yeah the first one is like 10% dam when they're above 75% and then another 5% when they drop to 25? i think something like that

[echo geyser]

tbh it sounds like all 3 specs might see play, just depends on tuning i suppose

[slow marsh]

yeah i agree

I'm interested to see what they end up doing with sub though

[echo geyser]

maybe some funnel maybe some cleave

[slow marsh]

It just seems like it might be overtaken by sin for being the prio spec

It still funnels way better though and it can juice hard if you are lucky on the slots

[wanton path]

stats with NF build? PTR gear is just a fuckton of vers

[slow marsh]

haste crit

gem enchant haste is fine

[wanton path]

hve like 300 crit with this gear tho

[slow marsh]

it's fine

[nocturne geode]

ct in m+ still or pb? i tried out both in a couple keys and CT/VEN made my head hurt lol

[slow marsh]

always CT in m+

[nocturne geode]

were gonna be bust super dotting xD CT falls off so quick fuuuukkk

[slow marsh]

ye it gets pretty hectic at 3 targets with tier running

[nocturne geode]

yea what i started getting about 2 rupts out after /garrotes/ct into ven for some juice

then basically hetically tried to keep dotts rolling around

😄 so much stuff to do

[slow marsh]

I mean if vend is up then keeping bleeds on your vend target would be the most important thing and then just whatever you can bleed after that without dropping slice

[nocturne geode]

also i feel like imma have to make a weakaura for my dots when vend ends to remind me to let them tick out

[slow marsh]

not sure if there will be a new bleed # where it's not super worth to keep applying vs focusing prio target

[nocturne geode]

def lost some damage after vend out of habbit refreshing

gonna be a hard habbit to break rip pandemic

[slow marsh]

I'm sure you'll get used to it

just remember vendetta pandemic for gar = 2s and rup = 3s

pretty easy numbers to remember imo

[nocturne geode]

is it okay to refresh after vendetta ends?

or do we want those dots to fall

and be replaced

[slow marsh]

Refresh as close to them ending as you can without letting them fall i think

[nocturne geode]

ight maybe i was doing alright then

[fiery fable]

does Fan of Knives give cp per target hit or nah only shuriken storm?

[slow marsh]

per target crit

[nocturne geode]

^

[fiery fable]

ah cool thx

[nocturne geode]

yeah sometime it give you that 1-2 cp sadge hits

[lament aurora]

NF sin feels very fun to play in higher keys on PTR would recommend

[echo geyser]

what soulbind ?

[lament aurora]

Did them all as korayn today

[echo geyser]

2nd lego zoldycks i suppose?

or u go dusk

[lament aurora]

I tried zold one dungeon but decided to stay with dusk. Vendetta up every pack is just too good

[wanton path]

first time using new stuff on PTR, so you use shiv to proc 2p during vendetta w empowered bleeds and u get like one envenom before u have to refresh bleeds again?

[lavish adder]

Is Zoldyck Insignia the best M+ leggo?

[bleak sky]

That depends a lot

[lavish adder]

Okay. I ask because of legendary base item pricing. Lol. I want to make something for M+. I already have a 262 Cloak for a single target leggo. So looking for something for M+

[subtle kiln]

just change the border colors

[echo geyser]

u talkin about current m+ or what

[lavish adder]

Yeah

[echo geyser]

ppl kinda only play obedience as venthyr it seems

if u aint venthyr i guess zoldycks is the way

[exotic gyro]

So for ptr testing whats the stat prio for sin with tier set and dusk? is it haste mastery? and is CT gonna be used ST again like nyalotha?

[hollow river]

no and no

its pretty much haste>crit>mas>vers

or crit>haste idr

[wanton path]

kinda cringe all the PTR gear is full vers

[hollow river]

you don't have to use it lol

[wanton path]

its like 272 ilvl tho

[exotic gyro]

you get scaled in the raid

[wanton path]

oh shit right

so just use my live stuff then pog

[exotic gyro]

so then what talents are we running on ptr?

is it subterfuge now

[wanton path]

2-2-2-2-2-1

[wooden dawn]

Ya think heavy crit/mast stack for m+ since there's gonna be so many haste buffs all around?

Next tier

[hollow river]

sin already crit/mast stacks for m+ now

[bleak sky]

I wouldn't say STACK mastery for M+ now but yeah is good stat

[hollow river]

i mean you can barely stack it rn because of raid gear

but yes for m+ crit/mas are the better stats

last tier too

some vers is good especially for a little DR for high keys

[bleak sky]

vers tea

[hollow river]

but you can play sin in m+ with 0 haste

[hollow river]

🤮

[bleak sky]

I don't mind when it procs in keys

boss mechanics scary in tyr

[rocky escarp]

Thoughts on crafting Dashing Scoundrel now, or better to stick with Obedience and craft dusk for 9.2?

[bleak sky]

if you have spare gold and want the extra damage, sure, craft it

it's good damage

[tribal marlin]

hello

[bleak sky]

[normal mist]

Any tips for a assa rogue + prot pala duo who want to clear 20's?
Im a 15 andy, did all 15s for the mount but my friend wants to do 20s for portals and i sometimes feel underwhelmed on the 17/18s we've been doin.
Im running crit/mast gear, good ilevel, default talents...
Is there anywhere i can see tips and tricks for specific dungeons?

Im doing around 9k overall with zoldyck

[echo geyser]

u could try obedience if ur venthyr should be more bursty

17-18s kinda low for zoldycks esp on tyrannical i feel like mobs just dont live long in the bonus dmg or?

on fort i guess its aight

[spice spire]

Mister ramfam is right.
If you are venthyr, obedience is a really really good legendary to have for these. Also I feel in a lot of dungeons (especially if you’re pugging DPS) it’s about flexibility. I did some io keys for the first time in months last night, did some of my worst overalls in both dungeons, but had the smoothest runs, for two reasons.
A. I got carried and am trash, but the more important, B. I did damage where it was necessary. In HoA, it was less important that I keep every mob bled, and more important that I made sure the shard dropped quickly and I did kicks and CC on mobs that needed it. Made it a much smoother run.

[normal mist]

I'm playing necro, i thought it was really good for m+, is venthyr the go to this week where bosses have to die faster then?
I do have the obedience cloak

[spice spire]

It’s both tbh.
For tyran week, and on runs where prio is essential, I really really like venthyr

For generic do damage or I need this buff in top or pf Necro is very good as well

I also went venthyr so frost mage could go nf- because that was his preference

[normal mist]

Hmm. I see. I guess it's worth the shot today then. Failed my 18 yesterday, tried inviting people with good rio and good ilevel but i failed to realize i didn't even have a bress, also their overall was really low (elemental sham and ww)

What am I looking for this week dps wise?

[spice spire]

No real damage number, you were saying you were doing 9k, I timed a 21 SD and a 20 Hoa, doing about 8.8k on both (which is pretty low)
It’s kind of a team game sometimes 😛

[bleak sky]

leveling engi is pretty chill and cheap

[bleak sky]

that depends a lot honestly

focus on timing keys > focus on dps

[echo geyser]

yeah tbh u cannot play keys without engi cr

thats a huge gain worth investing in

if u ask for tips with ur prot pally friend

[bleak sky]

Venthyr feels like the go to every week tbh

unless, like quake said, you need the necro buff for a dungeon

[normal mist]

When i say the other dps overall was low I'm talking like 6k, pretty much as low as the tank, (tank doing good dmg).
My tank friend is indeed eng... I'll talk to him today about the bresses.
My obedience rn is 235, is it worth to 264?

[spice spire]

I think so

[bleak sky]

it won't make that much of a difference in damage, but it's a nice upgrade

[normal mist]

I'm not a m+ expert whatsoever, so I'm not even using pots because i honestly have no idea where they should be used. (Still using oils, flask, food, rune). I also have no idea where to vendetta, been using them on the mini bosses/ bosses or big adds that need to die fast

[bleak sky]

I kinda pot on cd

"kinda"

[normal mist]

But I'm pretty sure I'm losing vendetta casts overall

[oak sky]

just use vendetta as much as you can while having it for important packs/bosses/minibosses

[bleak sky]

^

The more you play the better you'll get at estimating how long you've got til an important pack

[junior pulsar]

Anyone here plays on the ptr?

[bleak sky]

from the people in here right now? idk, quake might have played

[tough canyon]

Try to usw Vendetta in tormentor, packs with a prio target and try to keep it for up to about 30 sec for Bosses

[junior pulsar]

I just cant get into the PTR under my game modes above my play bar in blizzard app I cant see the option to log/download PTR

[balmy condor]

Did you opt in your account

[spice spire]

Yeah you have to opt in, that’s via your battle net, iirc

Like on the website, don’t think you can do it from launcher

[normal mist]

Thanks everyone for the amazing feedback

[junior pulsar]

Did that before i wrote here yes

[balmy condor]

Then it should be there

[spice spire]

Did you close and reopen your launcher

I’m grasping at random straws here, now.

[normal mist]

I was writing that

[warm drift]

Showing Bfa. Don't know if that's right

[junior pulsar]

Have tried restarting and logging out on the app aswell yeah

Ah I see yeah. its shows BFA somehow. Thats weird

How the hell do I change that...

[echo geyser]

Maybe u dont actually have ptr for SL

Or is it public with no invites?

Might need to opt in again or w/e

[junior pulsar]

it works now brothers

Weird as hell

[warm drift]

What did you do?

[junior pulsar]

Nothing really. on The website is i tried applying again. But now I had 2x BFA ptr accounts. Went have to the app, and it still didnt work. A few mins later i tried checking in the app again, and there it was

So have 0 clue why it started working 😄

back*

[warm drift]

Weird. Then happy testing

[junior pulsar]

Thanks man!

[junior pulsar]

Have a mate that just started wow. Do he has to complete whole storyline all 4 factions to use threads of fate on his alt?

[bleak sky]

no

[spice spire]

Did they change that? It used to be, you just had to play through the story once

[junior pulsar]

How much do he need to complete? he is still in bastion at lvl 56. So doesnt have progress in the other places

[spice spire]

Then you could threads

[bleak sky]

you had to do all 4 cov questlines?

like all 8 or 9 chapters?

[spice spire]

Like being a part of the covenant?

No, you just had to play through the leveling bit

Once

[bleak sky]

Oh if that then yeah they need to do that

reading hard

here a guide
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/threads-of-fate-shadowlands-adventure-mode-leveling

[spice spire]

Then you could go to Oribos and talk to the arbiter to swap to threads on an alt

Also I may be misunderstanding as well, dw mr. minalba

[glass tulip]

The Aiding insert zone quests are not required, they just give extra xp drops

Just gotta hit 60 once leveling in Shadowlands

Then threads of fate is available on any alt

[junior pulsar]

Do raidfinder give as much reknown as clearing normal?

[arctic hare]

Well, i did 8.2k dps on heroic painsmith

And uh, not sure

[glass tulip]

pog, no idea what the drop rate is on renown from raid bosses though

wait whose character is fotmrogue again?

[spice spire]

Daps

[glass tulip]

Ah, yes

Just saw him in a yt video lol

[clever kindle]

renown drop from bosses is pretty high

raid bosses

[limber lion]

Can you link the video? :D

[glass tulip]

It was not a real video so I will not

Because whispyr will make fun

And call me cring

[subtle kiln]

won’t he still do that?

[clever kindle]

[glass tulip]

probably

[subtle kiln]

i’m just verifying that one video would not be the cringe tipping point.

once you go there it’s hard to get out

[glass tulip]

I haven't done anything deservedly to be cringe, sigh

Watch a wow clips video once and all of the sudden you're a casual

[spice spire]

True

Unfortunate, too.

[subtle kiln]

watch infexious videos. it’s where whispyr gets all his TC ideas.

[spice spire]

Oh no

[glass tulip]

I just listen to iceblades ramble and get my bad ideas from him

[spice spire]

Madlad RP enjoyer icebladesx, it’s a bold move to take your ideas from a survival hunter main

I think outlandish ideas are a good thing though. Even if you miss 99% of the time, thinking outside the box can lead to innovation.

Iirc he was an early frost set enjoyer

[glass tulip]

All new Rogues that come here instantly get this

[spice spire]

Whíspyr is a sub OTP though

[verbal mantle]

who is top left?

[vestal wren]

he just hasn't found his inner piece yet and converted to night fae

[spice spire]

So it has begun

Good, I’m glad there’s variance among covenants.

[glass tulip]

Necro is BiS right? I've been running sbs leggo in raid, I have all grey parses and I can't figure out why

[spice spire]

Necro isn’t the reason you’re going gray, king.
But I digress, don’t run Necro

[normal mist]

You gotta press sbs more often

[verbal mantle]

have your logs analysed by someone competent

[spice spire]

He’s memeing

[verbal mantle]

[glass tulip]

Appreciate you tho dadsen

My guy is looking out

[spice spire]

Dadsen stays undefeated

[verbal mantle]

thats what we do here

well "we"

competent ppl

[alpine latch]

I feel attacked

[glass tulip]

I will def be needing to learn how to review NF logs

All of the cooldown syncing and new patterns hurt my brain just thinking about it

[subtle kiln]

welcome back snapshotting

[spice spire]

I mean it’s pretty simple on the shiv side anyway.
Sepsis used on CD.

But you’re only going to be looking at that stuff and specific patterns on farm. Initial kills will more than likely be vendetta on CD stuff, unless they’re truly built diffly.

[feral kiln]

So 9.2 snapping is the go to again ?

[spice spire]

Well, it’s baked into the 4p

[gusty mirage]

I have some qualms about Cev being “everything nice”

[spice spire]

You think that’d be you, oxi?

[subtle kiln]

don’t make me hit you with a tuba

[feral kiln]

Aint Cev from Finland ? he's lunatic for sure then

[gusty mirage]

Nah that’d be your mom cause she’s nice to me every day

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-schreier-oompa-music-tuba-koaa-loop-gif-23103470

[glass tulip]

I realized after I meant to make you sugar and ice spice

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay I’ll accept spicy

[spice spire]

Thank god, she’s needed some love in her life. I’ll send you an 8283 for that, king

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/tada-tired-bored-duh-idc-gif-9406799

[glass tulip]

Raisedeyebrowbutfortnitetherock

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[glass tulip]

I'm a pleb not in the server

[viscid spear]

We're all plebs in life, brother

[spice spire]

Ash is wise beyond their years

[glass tulip]

Ash is a cat

Infinite wisdom resides in their tiny cat mind

[gusty mirage]

Yo it’s Friday don’t do this to me

[feral kiln]

that aint a bad drawing to be honest

[spice spire]

That is a pretty good

[viscid spear]

I'm pretty awful, did it rq bc I'm at work

[gusty mirage]

Better than my drawing skills

[alpine latch]

One of the lowest effort memes across the board

There's been some solid ones, that one isn't it

[spice spire]

I thought it was funny ngl

[tawny barn]

I hope they rework necro leggo

[viscid spear]

The "Muradin as Clippy" ones are great

[brazen zodiac]

I thought that was pretty funny tbh

[alpine latch]

Well we are built different

lol

[feral kiln]

so with this all new tier set and so ..are we going to look for somewhat even distribution of stats ?

now wer are slaves to crit because of frost set

[alpine latch]

Probably?

[subtle kiln]

you’ll look for whatever gear top gear suggests. more than likely haste/crit when we can.

[clever kindle]

Just keep the rings youll get from the new zone, swap when needed until you have your stats where you need them

[alpine latch]

On your guys higher mists, how much of the trash is done in the maze vs past the 2nd boss?

It's better to over-pull the maze and skip the trash between boss 2 and 3, right?

[spice spire]

Yes

[alpine latch]

So after the 2nd boss, kill Soggy, skip as much as possible with shroud into the boss?

Do you normally pull anything after the 2nd boss? Or do you try to cap percentage and just do two bosses in a row?

[gusty mirage]

higher mists you usually skip soggy

[inland hull]

We've never had full count after 2nd boss. We shoot for 60% coming out of maze, do enough trash after 2nd to allow for cooldowns to come back, then skip to third boss

[gusty mirage]

sap bug on the left on the 3 pack, and do 2 double pulls

and then one last pack and ideally you'd be done with trash

so you skip the 3 pack and soggy usually

[alpine latch]

You're the man oxi, thanks

[gusty mirage]

fuck mists

tho

that dungeon is actually awful

[spice spire]

Timer really fucking tight

[patent swallow]

hey guys I wanna try assa on ptr tonight, with night fae what soulbind and leg should I run ?

[gusty mirage]

for raid? dreamweaver triple potency

[spice spire]

And depending on your maze it’s fucked

[gusty mirage]

LP, WPS, and Septic Shock

[spice spire]

And leg is duskwalkers

[patent swallow]

ty

[alpine latch]

So far we've only timed 1 20

And it was DoS this week

We've failed a few 20s, so we're trying to learn what we did wrong and go from there

[gusty mirage]

before you know it, 20s will be considered baby keys

and you'll wonder why you struggled with it for so long

[alpine latch]

Oh, I know why I struggle. I'm really bad

[gusty mirage]

naw

[spice spire]

It’s true. It turns our coordination and some aoe is really all you need to time keys. And relevant ST

[alpine latch]

I eat all the things

Our comp right now is Sin rogue, BM hunter, Enh shaman

[spice spire]

Like I said, I did some of my worst damage last night and got about 20 score. Because I was doing my rogue

Oh

That’s a comp

[gusty mirage]

you'll pick it up with more time spent in keys

[alpine latch]

Ironically, the highest Enh shaman uses this comp

[spice spire]

But for soa, mists, top and stuff you’ll frag

[gusty mirage]

what tank

[spice spire]

I’m sure the 4 enhance shamans that run keys have taken notes

[gusty mirage]

prot war?

[spice spire]

I am memeing btw

Hance shamans are to be protected at all costs

No exceptions

[gusty mirage]

hence shamans

[spice spire]

Is that a possible toxi moment inc?

[alpine latch]

Guardian Druid + Resto Shammy

Our Enh is gearing up a monk, but he won't be ready for a bit because he still needs stuff on his shaman for raid

[gusty mirage]

dam stonks if it were a prot war/brew

[alpine latch]

lol

Our tank is pretty solid

[gusty mirage]

not even saying your tank is bad

but battleshout or mystic would be a huge damage gain for that comp

[alpine latch]

The rshammy is my best friend and she hates healing most tanks but really likes our Druid because he is a beast

And yeah, BS/Mystic would be legit af

[viscid spear]

I fear the idea of 20s

[alpine latch]

I did up until a month or two myself

We started smashing 16s and 2-chesting them, so then we ran 17s and 18s. Then we started timing those

I've always had a tank/healer that I run with though, once we found two people we enjoyed running with it made it a lot easier to start timing higher keys

[viscid spear]

I can understand what oxi means though
The highest I've done was a +17 on PF, we didn't time it but I think we just missed it

[gusty mirage]

yeah you get just naturally get better/more comfortable with CD timing

and you'll start blasting 17s

and be like ???? why did this used to be so hard

[spice spire]

Then you don’t run a serious key for months, and forget it all.

[gusty mirage]

you forget to press shiv on CD?

weird

[spice spire]

Nah vendetta

Even more weird

[gusty mirage]

have you tried playing ww monk?

just roll your face onthe keyboard to 2500 io

[spice spire]

[alpine latch]

This is what we did on our DoS run. We ran a 17 to get our timings down, then ran a +20 and had all of our potions and everything mapped out

All of the hard pulls we used 2 pots on, for the less-bad pulls we had 1 battle pot on, and then all pots for bosses

We had failed a +20 DoS 2 weeks ago also. We got into Hakkar's wing with like 11:30 left and we killed him about 20m over.

We learned that we had to save Hero until about 40-45%

We used that knowledge and the potion timing we figured out to just smash it

[viscid spear]

Had a group like that in my Alliance guild, they all got KSM while telling me they would help me. I was at ~1300 io by the time they all got KSM and decided to take a break until 9.2

So now they don't have my Rogue to hard carry along with a Warrior in raid anymore.

[alpine latch]

Ayy, that's the spirit

I hard carry my guild in raid

[viscid spear]

I do have a VElf and Dwarf Rogue both at 50 on that server, do maybe I'll level one of those

Idk which would be better tho

[cloud bramble]

I manged to time my first 20. sd wasn't that bad. then got into a 20 halls group and ended up getting told to kms. it's a mixed bag I guess.

[viscid spear]

You got into a 20 without having KSM?

[spice spire]

Flip the two letters, ash

SD timer makes it pretty forgiving

Tyrannical boss 2 and 3 are hell on earth tho

[viscid spear]

Ooooh

I only ever have trouble on the 2nd boss in Halls, not lately though, but before I'd be in groups that struggle to kill adds in a stack in time for the slam

[cerulean nest]

on P1 sylv, do you guys use second vendetta + flag immediately on CD even though its like <10 before a veil, or hold until that's done?

[cloud bramble]

yeah the 2nd boss on halls was where it went down hill

[spice spire]

Mythic or heroic?

[cerulean nest]

mythic

[spice spire]

Gut says yes, but let me check something rq

[cerulean nest]

I've been holding because I dont get full use since it goes from veil straight into jumping around for chains, which means i end up using everything closer to 2:30

[gusty mirage]

pro tip, if your tank tanks echelon near the gate

the adds don't aggro to him

and just afk where they spawn

so for the last couple of waves its a good idea to move him there

[spice spire]

It also depends on if you’re holding damage from the looks of it

If not it looks like a send

Thoughts @gusty mirage ?

[cerulean nest]

we're still progging but from the looks of things, we will likely have to slow slightly near 84

[drifting cloud]

doesnt matter, it doesnt affect your future casts

[gusty mirage]

hold until its done but tbh nowadays we push it so fast

I just send

[drifting cloud]

just depends how much you have to hold as a raid

[gusty mirage]

cause it doesn't matter

I usually end up flagging arrows during intermission too for shiggles

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s what I thought because it’ll always be up when you need it p2, yeah?

[cerulean nest]

yeah i mean my group isnt big BIS reclearers yet lol

[gusty mirage]

yeah you cd both burns

they'll 100% be up for burn

[spice spire]

I just looked at yours, cev’s, ryler’s, and vel’s logs for it

[cerulean nest]

okay cool, i'll just keep holding then

[gusty mirage]

when I first started progging sylv I was getting full value after veil

[spice spire]

And it looked like if you held dam, you didn’t, or if you pushed or had a better timing, you full sent

[gusty mirage]

but tbh p1 damage is kinda whatever

esp as your guild gets more and more comfortable with it

[cerulean nest]

yeah I'm not even worried about optimizing p1 necessarily. just wanted to make sure that sending/holding wasnt going to screw up p2 timings. but it sounds like it isnt, so im all gucci

[gusty mirage]

you'll start falling asleep during the 9 rives

[spice spire]

Parsing through the logic was a bit

[gusty mirage]

yeah you're good on holding until after veil @cerulean nest

it'll be up for burn

[cerulean nest]

ty ty

[spice spire]

Insert whispyr clip

[gusty mirage]

given the 383 or whatever wipes I have

and 7? kills now

I've seen like 3500 rives

and I'm over it

[drifting cloud]

I bet you have plenty of wipes before rive dont sell yourself short

[gusty mirage]

true

3200 rives

had a couple pulls where I was the only one to survive to intermission

so I sat there with 20 chains on me

[spice spire]

?

[patent swallow]

sorry guys im confused still, on the ptr again: what is the timing to use sepsis in the rota with the fae build ?

[limber lion]

On cooldown

Syncing every other with Vend

Always with Shiv

[patent swallow]

ok

[viscid spear]

Why have I never heard if this?

[gusty mirage]

Secret sauce

[alpine latch]

wut

[gusty mirage]

[alpine latch]

What gate, exactly?

Like you pull him at 12 ocloak, the stairs are at 6

[gusty mirage]

Ye as long as no one proximity aggros them or attacks them they just chill there

Stairs gate

[alpine latch]

Ohhhh

Shit

[quartz shadow]

you just cloak chains tho

[gusty mirage]

He has to be tanked right up to the gate

[bleak sky]

oxi bringing the tech

clutch tech

[viscid spear]

I'll recommend the strat and the tank will mess it up and then they get mad at me

[alpine latch]

Anyone doing m+ on PTR? I'm curious how we stack up with a lot of the changes

[balmy condor]

I mean we aren’t survival hunters

But it’s aight

Half the sets haven’t gotten tuned yet

[alpine latch]

I'm listening to my BM hunter in keys go on and on about Survival

[balmy condor]

Yeh

It’s doing almost twice the damage of every other spec right now

[alpine latch]

Poor guy is going to be crushed when it gets hit hard

[balmy condor]

Saw a screenshot of a survival hunter finishing at 43k at the end of a dos or something

[bleak sky]

it's bugged it's gonna get fixed

[balmy condor]

And the rest of the group was at 17

[bleak sky]

they wouldn't let this go live, right?

[alpine latch]

I mean there was that MDI pull where they 3-sharded it and the Warlock was doing like 40k at the end of the dungeon

Not that it's the same thing, but that's also insane

I think it was JPCs team that did it maybe?

Rogue/Destro/FMage

[loud light]

generally speaking it's probably okay if one spec does particularly great damage in the case of rounding up 50% of a dungeon's count in one pull and then is substantially worse the rest of the run

ptr survival being dumb is definitely a different story

[radiant osprey]

is there a link to bis? cant find it

[balmy condor]

Bis isn’t a thing

Just sim yourself

[bleak sky]

yeah it's called looking at @oak sky 's profile

[radiant osprey]

ok lol

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

💀

[slow marsh]

except he's missing sylv belt i thought

[oak sky]

Sylv belt is like incredibly minor

[slow marsh]

bis is bis

😛

[bleak sky]

is it an actual minor upgrade?

or just margin of error

[oak sky]

Yeah

[bleak sky]

damn

[slow marsh]

it might be sidegrade

[oak sky]

Its like 10 dps or so

[slow marsh]

the signet ring probs made it slightly better

it being the soulrender belt

man is juiced though grats

[quasi ledge]

I'm completely "BiS" and Sylv belt has always simmed lower than Soulrender, within margin, but still lower

[spice spire]

Holy shit agreonr-tichondrius you’re fucking juiced kid

[oak sky]

I did a lot of sims for this

[spice spire]

That’s like textbook fucking sauce

[oak sky]

Sylv belt is better if you sim theotsr with crit tea

[balmy condor]

People arguing over bis

[oak sky]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

When there’s like 25 profiles within margin

[oak sky]

But again its 10 dps who cares

[spice spire]

10 dps is margin, yeah?

[quasi ledge]

Definitely arguing, yeah :p

[spice spire]

Or maybe 3 over

You look at this dudes gear, and you know he natty rolls crit every time

[slow marsh]

totally arguing

[oak sky]

[slow marsh]

[edgy notch]

Wich nightfae soulbind ist the best for assa ?

[slow marsh]

dreamweaver

[spice spire]

Dreamweaver raid, korayn m+ more than likely

[balmy condor]

Having a friendly chat

Sorry my words aren’t the goodest

[edgy notch]

Do we play septic shock on nf ?

[balmy condor]

Yeah with triple potency

It’s #3

[bleak sky]

wps, lethal poisons, cov conduit

[edgy notch]

ok so septic, well place, and lethal poison/ maim mangle

[balmy condor]

maim is dogshit

but yeah

[edgy notch]

ok thx

[balmy condor]

rest is okay

[slow marsh]

maim is only ok with doomblade so rip maim

was maybe played for like 2 weeks when people were still using unholy gems

and probably still didn't get played cuz who sims maim

[spice spire]

Yeah who still runs Doomblade

[slow marsh]

QUAKE

[balmy condor]

yeh you gotta really go into into maim to make it work

[slow marsh]

don't tell me you run DB

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

I do

[slow marsh]

ytho

[balmy condor]

cause he's casual scum

[oak sky]

Doesnt seli also

[slow marsh]

dashing is still better for necro right

[spice spire]

Faulty was the tipping point of dashing being a HUGE +53

Barely

[bleak sky]

isn't that in tyra keys maybe?

[spice spire]

And you have to be hella geared

[spice spire]

Nah he ran it on sylv

[oak sky]

Think i saw some raid parses

[slow marsh]

i mean i guess i could see if you ran necro UH DB

what's the point of full swapping

but still

[bleak sky]

53 dps for FREE (50-100k gold depending on realm, taxes may apply)

[spice spire]

I run frost

[spice spire]

65ish iirc

I’m just now not poor

[brazen zodiac]

hi quake :)

[spice spire]

Howdy vita

Hope you’re having a swell day ma’am

[brazen zodiac]

i am sir thakn u very much u as well

just got on ptr the new place looks rad

i dig that kinda nature vibe bullshit

[slow marsh]

I need a new gpu I guess. I launch streamlabs to stream ptr and my pc crash =\

[brazen zodiac]

:(

[slow marsh]

ikr

Figured my rx 580 would be enough but I guess not unless I am missing something

[bleak sky]

I stream on an rx 590

It's not the best thing in the world but it does the job

and they're similar enough that it shouldn't matter?

[slow marsh]

ye i'm sure something is messed up on my setup cuz it should be fine

[spice spire]

Pretty sure I also have a 580

[clever kindle]

It depends on the % when she comes out of the third veil, if shes like 86% feel free to juice but if she's at 85 theres no point really dots will get her close to transition while you clean up adds

let your locks and hunters and mages forget to put their pets on passive

normally we hard stop at 84.8%

gives enough room for dots and pets without missing immune after she jumps for the final veil

[spice spire]

Check your CPU usage, actually.
Wow is very CPU intensive and a few extra things can push it over the edge

With wow, Spotify, and slobs, I’m usually pushing 80ish%

[slow marsh]

I just upgraded my cpu i dont think that's it

With disc wow and spotify open i'm barely at 30%

[pseudo hamlet]

Is there some kind of "history" of people who joined the discord voice-chat? 🤔

[spice spire]

I hate that I have to ask this, but SSD, yeah?

[spice spire]

If you’re an admin in a server, there is iirc

[exotic gyro]

so subter strategum for ptr is the build with ven tier set?

[slow marsh]

nvme yea

[spice spire]

Yeah a 580 should be way more than enough tbh

[slow marsh]

yeah i think i need to clean reinstall my drivers

[thorny pond]

Gofundme for a new AMD

[spice spire]

Yeah my comp is pretty shit

It’s like 6 years old at this point?

Maybe 4, idk time man

[brazen zodiac]

but do u play on a laptop

XD

[thorny pond]

Also Ice, a windows build was screwing with my entire rig anytime I hit a threshold, wasn’t drivers. I did a clean rebuild on a new drive, still happened to get spikes. I reverted to 20H2 and was fine

[gusty mirage]

I got somethin for you to slobs on

[thorny pond]

All the new “plz use w11” shit was annoying too

Oxi, can I drool on your parses

[slow marsh]

20h2?

[spice spire]

Couldn’t find it before, third times the charm ig king

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it was busy with MamaQuake

My b

[thorny pond]

They started naming their builds by year and half

[spice spire]

8283 on ur way king

[thorny pond]

So 20H2 is 2020 2nd half

21H1 is 2021 First half, etc

[slow marsh]

ah so try rolling back my windows ?

seems weird

[thorny pond]

If you go to your settings and look for “about this pc” it should be hiding there. Probably also a 5 digit code like 19043 or something, as well, just a more specific build. But I had a guildie with same bad issues, rolled it back and was fine

I have no idea. I just do IT support in spare time now, but sometimes odd things get pushed and your hardware doesn’t agree

[slow marsh]

ye i'm on 21h1 rn

[cerulean nest]

might have a simp lined up for 9.2 lets goooo

NF boys or die

[balmy condor]

@spice spire there's no audit log for people just joining on their own. The audit log tracks actions against the server/users, like forcibly disconnecting someone, updating roles for someone, deleting someone elses message

like for example if you came into the #welcome channel, and react to the messages, moroes gives you a role, so that's tracked

but if you were able to give yourself a role

then that wouldn't be tracked

similarly if I were to delete a message from someone else, that would be tracked

but if I delete my own message, that would not be tracked

[gusty mirage]

Is this going to be on the exam?

[balmy condor]

(we do track self-deleted messages through moroes, but there's nothing baseline in discord that does that)

[spice spire]

Ahhhh interesting

[balmy condor]

he deleted those himself

so

moroes reports it to a channel

[gusty mirage]

Now you are

[bleak sky]

thanks oxi I needed a laugh

[balmy condor]

that channel is visible to blades and shadows

oxi for example can't see that mod log from moroes

[spice spire]

And yeah, I wasn’t sure, I should have checked servers I have those Privileges on

[pseudo hamlet]

Damn, thanks you @balmy condor . Didn't expect to get an answer so well detailed!

[spice spire]

You can also see invites n shit

Which is neat

Now I know who to flame

[gusty mirage]

You flame me anyway

[oak sky]

log dn

[balmy condor]

most of the discord audit log is trash in here, so we have to get moroes to log things like deleted messages and bans and mutes and stuff

cause it looks like this

[pseudo hamlet]

Didn't get answer from the wow-general and off-topic... always knew my assa brothers would be more eager to help!

[balmy condor]

basically at any given point

[gusty mirage]

Maybe you should be green, considering how green with envy you are @spice spire

[balmy condor]

a good 90% of the audit log is just moroes updating roles

[spice spire]

I don’t think that works here king

Plus I’m colorblind

So now you’re just being prejudiced

Smh dude, not even PC.

[timid cloud]

I love looking at join / leave / message logs...I am HACKERMAN

https://tenor.com/view/typing-cat-busy-laptop-kitten-gif-16606971

[marble hemlock]

There's also better discord which tracks all of that without needing a bot. Highly useful and recommended.

[marble hemlock]

Interesting you weren't calling out his green parses instead.

[vestal wren]

better discord is iirc still against tos?

[spice spire]

I don’t have greens, unless I die

[brazen zodiac]

yeah it is zzz

[marble hemlock]

Yeah well, never heard of anyone getting slapped for it

Seeing deleted messages is just nice.

Same as in twitch chat

[vestal wren]

i know a lot of 3rd party libs did get slammed on hard for discord

but there is a eu law that might make this exclusivity illigal

*plan on a law

[brazen zodiac]

i did f

only cuz i was a mod for like a 15k discord server

so probs why zzz

[gusty mirage]

He gets KA I can’t murder him like that

[oak sky]

[bleak sky]

agi tea

[brazen zodiac]

🤮

[arctic walrus]

You guys would be famed slayers of the jailer already if you played nadjia. I don’t have mind cuz I can’t test

[gusty mirage]

Test deez

[arctic walrus]

I don’t see that on wowhead where in the order is it

[slow marsh]

i didn't know you could get nadjia as night fae that's pretty cool

[marble hemlock]

im playing nadjia

[arctic walrus]

🤝

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/IE7VW/dec47a8a92.jpg

[arctic walrus]

Well there’s 2 mistakes in that statement

[limber lion]

Dagger bug abuser

[slow marsh]

plz teach me your ways then

[marble hemlock]

i didnt do it in p3

only p1

[versed mica]

what dagger bug?

[oak sky]

hm bug abuser

interesting

[marble hemlock]

still did 10.8k in p3

[arctic walrus]

I’d never abuse a bug

So low tier

[oak sky]

imagine abusing bugs and still being 2 ranks under me

:/

[hollow river]

doomblade?

[marble hemlock]

im lazy okay

dont judge me

[hollow river]

[marble hemlock]

i also got arrows

[hollow river]

didn't you do torghast like every week forever

[oak sky]

I think i got arrows too

at least 1

[limber lion]

Well, your P3 started 7:15 and the debuff reset itself at 11:18

Still had it for most of p3

But still pretty funny seeing a good ol' redboy up there with the greenies

[marble hemlock]

ye

was surprised

by how much it pumped

and i mean

daggers are not that big anyway for assa

[limber lion]

I mean the bug is around 600-700 dps for Assa

[bleak sky]

600 dps is kinda huge

[limber lion]

But yeh I mean it still has a good portion of rng tied to it

Could be way more or way less

[potent forge]

stupid question, but what stats will assass want once frost gems are gone? still crit/haste?

[static pier]

dumb question: what kind of overall should i be expecting at ~245 for a dos? so i can know how bad i am

[slow marsh]

haste/crit probably

[bleak sky]

that's very hard to estimate

[marble hemlock]

i mean yeha, daggers were like 6% for me

[bleak sky]

there's no magic numbers for dungeons

[marble hemlock]

so even without bug, woudlve been >10k

[limber lion]

Yeh, I did around 70k with BB and you did around 250k

ngl

I hate how much rng stuff we have currently

winds

banshee's blight

not only are you fighting against external-chumps, you also have to get really lucky to crit on the right winds hits and to get lucky with bb

[static pier]

this was the overall, just trying to figure out if i did fine or if i'm still bad

~4min remaining, +15 key

[marble hemlock]

ye

i had

100% winds crit in p1

[limber lion]

wtf

that

is something

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/IE83O/4ceebc70a7.png

get rolled chump

[limber lion]

that's so nutty

god damn

[marble hemlock]

the power of nadjia

[limber lion]

Yeh, I'm an avid Nadja enjoyer in Sylv

Theotar

[bleak sky]

100% crit

what the

[versed mica]

what is the dagger bug\

[limber lion]

tc-research has a long discussion about it, go check it out

[versed mica]

ty

[midnight atlas]

@limber lion I saw your comment on Afenar's WA. Can you tell me how to import this improved flag into the WA pack? https://wago.io/hh1IqG_Y1 if i just import it it's detached from the rest of the wa.

[limber lion]

You just import it and then drag it inside of the pack and that should be it.

Just put it in the group, copy the location from the previous Flag weak aura then delete the old weak aura.

[midnight atlas]

Perfect. It works now

Thanks a lot :d

[potent forge]

with the tier, say you have like 3 seconds left on garrote/rupture and like 2 seconds on vendetta, do you refresh both or once vendetta runs out will the duration go back to the non hasted version

[slow marsh]

You refresh to snapshot the 4p effect

[dense herald]

Playing around on PTR do the 1 minute vends and the tier set bonuses feel reasonably smooth to play with?

[slow marsh]

Yeah

Some timing stuff is a bit scuffed but overall it feels good for me at least

[dense herald]

Is flag and vend just paired together as it stands as venth?

[bleak sky]

oh wait is this ptr?

I think sims are just full sending on cd?

[subtle kiln]

sip the tea

[dense herald]

Yeah I’m referring to ptr

[oak sky]

venthyr is full send maybe hold shiv for vendetta 12s

nf is sync every other sepsis with vendetta and always sync sepsis with shiv

[dense herald]

That sounds a bit nicer as fae

[balmy condor]

So much apl stuff to test

[slow marsh]

Whispyr rn

[normal mist]

1st 20 done

PF

Aaaaand got traded a pox

[desert wagon]

this is probably a dumb question but bleeds can crit right?

[oak sky]

yes

[desert wagon]

so if you have master assassin buff does it snapshot into garrote and rupture?

[oak sky]

snapshot no

[desert wagon]

so what does and doesnt snapshot?

[oak sky]

snapshotting only exists with exsang and nightstalker

[brazen zodiac]

the only dumb question is one not asked

:)

[oak sky]

everything else doesnt snapshot

[desert wagon]

so what about refreshing garrote and rupture before vedetta ends does it maintain damage buff?

[oak sky]

no

[bleak sky]

gz

[desert wagon]

so spend my whole time envenom then refresh garrote and rupture after?

[marble hemlock]

snapshotting, for the most part, doesnt exist anymore. the only exceptions to that, are talents that are designed to increase the damage of a specific ability, i.e. nightstalker/subterfuge, but those benefits will also disappear if you recast the ability without the modifier.
the only other exception (for rogue anyway) is that using exsanguinate snapshots the haste value when you cast it, to calculate the duration/tickrate of the bleeds. crit/mastery/vers are all still affecting your damage dynamically

[desert wagon]

i swear it almost feels like it played in cata

[balmy condor]

that's cause the spec hasn't changed since cata

[oak sky]

you never want garrote or rupture to drop off, but if you can refresh them after but still have it be up the whole time thats fine

[balmy condor]

blizzard refuses to do anything to sin for some reason

[brazen zodiac]

cuz itd be a sin

sorry hi whisypr how are u

:D

[balmy condor]

we just get aura buffs after aura buffs

[balmy condor]

doing good thank you dear

[desert wagon]

yea ill usually have an ok amount of time left like enough to refresh i was just putting them in on vendetta cause i thought it might maintain damage buff

[brazen zodiac]

i rly dig the new korthia place the whole desert things a vibe

rad stuff

[desert wagon]

is the belt leggo in 9.2 the cov one like we have now or a new one?

[oak sky]

its called unity

gives you leggo from whatever covenant you currently are

new thing

[desert wagon]

so not the current cov legos then?

[thorny pond]

Negative

[desert wagon]

fudge idk what lego to craft then

[oak sky]

dashing is best rn but no matter what you make its probably not applicable for next tier

[bleak sky]

Doesn't matter, gonna have to restart anyway

[sudden hound]

just craft everything. soul ash/cinders are free. grind your renown

[bleak sky]

Recraft**

[desert wagon]

so is venthyr lego a no go?

[bleak sky]

What are you trying to play right now?

[desert wagon]

my guild wants me to be assassination for raid

[oak sky]

venthyr leggo is good for m+ and 2nd best for raid so its a fine choice

[bleak sky]

For raids craft dashing, for m+ craft obedience, if you don't have currency for both just craft obedience

[bleak sky]

Why can't you just play sub

[desert wagon]

idk thats what i have played in pvp the past 4 years lol

[balmy condor]

sounds like you should play sub then if you're more comfortable with that

why are they insisting on sin?

[desert wagon]

they want me to be assassination ventyr my main is sub night fea for pvp i didnt want to mess with that so i lvled new they said they would carry it lol

[oak sky]

wait you made a 2nd rogue?

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

Sin and sub are so close to each other that you'd probably be more successful playing sub in raids as well

[balmy condor]

this story is getting more and more wild by the minute

[desert wagon]

i actually have 3 i have now 2 on horde and 1 allt

[brazen zodiac]

i rememebr doing tht cus i didnt know u could change specs lmfaooo

[desert wagon]

ally**

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

i dont see any reason to make a fresh rogue for raid tho

you can just level the covenant on the same character

[brazen zodiac]

im simply too based

[oak sky]

and you would have pvp gear ready to be doing ok damage in raid

[balmy condor]

baked*

close though

[brazen zodiac]

that too

[desert wagon]

is vesr crit gear good for assassination?

[oak sky]

fine until your raid funnels you gear