assassination

[hollow river]

To tune every leggo in the game

[clever kindle]

they use rogues existence as a measure for tuning

unless it gets excessive

[hollow river]

So there’s no broken shit

[viscid spear]

They do tune rogues
Tune us out

[hollow river]

It’s going to take a lot of time and work.

[gusty mirage]

They will, will they ALL get tuned appropriately? Probably not

[hollow river]

And patch drops in 1-2 months

[marble hemlock]

But after Legion and BfA and SL until now, I have zero faith in them doing what they say/need to do to make the whole system work, instead of half-assing it after the first half of the equation was done carefully and with a lot of thought put into it

[clever kindle]

I'd be curious to see the cumulative total of changes over the last 3 expacs because I would bet Rogue is the one that has shifted the least

[gusty mirage]

But if someone’s suddenly blasting 30% higher than other classes because of a leggo combo

It’ll get nerfed

[marble hemlock]

That's not a bad thing @clever kindle

Rogue changing very little, especially Assa Rogue, is a good thing.

[clever kindle]

Im not saying it is just that we tend to be a weather bell so to speak and tend to be tuned around

[marble hemlock]

It means the core class functions well without relying on rental power to be viable, and that the amount of tuning needed to make it a valid choice for any type of content is very small

[viscid spear]

Auto-refreshing SnD

[hollow river]

For sure. But I think our legendaries need small buffs to bring them in line with other classes. Don’t know if I see that happening

[alpine latch]

No you don't. It only requires KSM

2500 is KSM in 9.2

[gusty mirage]

It says keystone hero

[hollow river]

Even just fixing obedience to 1% vers would help bring us in line

[gusty mirage]

Not ksm

[alpine latch]

Oh shit

[marble hemlock]

How can you make a statement like that, when half the other classes don't even have accurate PTR sims yet though?

[clever kindle]

Thats only really the case because sins core class functions are juiced the fuck up with an aura buff

[viscid spear]

Oh really? I went in and it said Keystone Hero

[alpine latch]

I thought it just required KSM

fuck

[hollow river]

Me?

[viscid spear]

ikr?

[marble hemlock]

Ye

[hollow river]

By testing the classes

And watching others test

In real time

[marble hemlock]

Testing what? You can't even use double legendaries yet

[hollow river]

?????? Bro

What

[gusty mirage]

They hotfixed it yesterday seli

[hollow river]

Yes you can

[gusty mirage]

Dw

[viscid spear]

No 278 Lashing for me for a while

[subtle kiln]

legendaries got tuned for rogues within the scope of where they wanted the powers, other specs didn’t adhere as closely

[marble hemlock]

So you tested all the classes in a single day, and can therefore reliably claim that Rogue needs buffs compared to other classes. Gotcha.

[gusty mirage]

They also turned obedience into the pally necro leggo

But people still freaking out

[hollow river]

[marble hemlock]

And testing stuff on dummies is obviously equivalent to proper sims as well

[subtle kiln]

@marble hemlock you progged all as assa in 9.0? I don’t recall.

[marble hemlock]

Nah

[hollow river]

I’ve tested rogue, warlock, mage and hunter. And have watched plenty of testing live.

[gusty mirage]

So as of right now if you did PTR double leggo testing with obedience. You didn’t actually test double leggo

Because obedience didn’t exist on ptr

[subtle kiln]

gottem

[marble hemlock]

I played it-that-shall-not-be-named and played Assa on Deny only

[hollow river]

Mine worked fine

[gusty mirage]

No it didn’t lol

[hollow river]

Yes, it did

[clever kindle]

Im not talking legendaries specifically just an overall sense that they don't shift the needle too often on Rogue

[subtle kiln]

rogues stay within the needle while others did not

[gusty mirage]

No. No it didn’t

[clever kindle]

You can take that as, the dev hits their mark and doesn't need to make adjustments, some people see it as the Rogue devs not listening

[hollow river]

Yeah my tooltip was fine too

[marble hemlock]

See, and this is why I think you're just talking out of your ass, no offense. You can't even use the leggo since the spell IDs got swapped and it's now a paladin legendary.

[sly yoke]

Yea blizzard do a little trolling

[viscid spear]

[marble hemlock]

Yours didn't just magically not swap while everybody elses did

[subtle kiln]

when you work to the assigned parameters and don’t deal with other specs how are you not listening?

[marble hemlock]

I'm happy to be proven wrong by you logging in and screencapping your Obedience, though

[hollow river]

Okay buddy

[subtle kiln]

overall balance is another issue, but as far as those assigned to rogue they did what they were supposed to do

[gusty mirage]

They literally messed up the spell id mapping with the build

[hollow river]

The fact that you guys think you’re always right no matter what is astounding, but I get it

[subtle kiln]

they’re on a private friends and family ptr

[gusty mirage]

????? Bro the spell id was incorrectly mapped on the game files level

[marble hemlock]

It has nothing to do with whether we think we are right. It's about us simply being right, because you cannot just magically use a different spell ID for a legendary in a game you do not have access to the code to

[subtle kiln]

literally just log on and look at it

[hollow river]

Not at home

[marble hemlock]

It's already confirmed by an actual dev to be a bug, that is hopefully getting fixed before tonights testing

[sly yoke]

Guys do we have any sub sims with double legos?

[bleak sky]

btw if 20s this season were easier than 9.0, I guess it's gonna be even easier on 9.2

[hollow river]

I had vers % and CDR

[subtle kiln]

obedience and sub fixes before testing

[hollow river]

Idk what to tell ya

[marble hemlock]

So unless you're saying that somehow the dev working on the fix knows less about what is and isnt working and what is and isnt bugged with the current PTR build, you're simply saying stuff that isn't true, and if you don't like being called out on that, then thats your problem, not ours.

[pale knot]

wait the set bouns is 40% increased dmg now ?

[marble hemlock]

Guess everybody else downloaded a different PTR build than you then

[pale knot]

i thought it was crit ?

[hollow river]

Ok man

Whatever

You’re right

Happy?

[bleak sky]

changed a long time ago from crit to inc damage Kess

[marble hemlock]

Not really, no

[subtle kiln]

seli is never happy

[pale knot]

really

[hollow river]

Good

I’m glad

[sly yoke]

It was 100% crit> 100% dam and now 40% dam

[marble hemlock]

I'd prefer not needing conversations like these about people not spreading doom and gloom based on feelings and inaccurate information

[hollow river]

Smh

[pale knot]

alright arlight ty for infop

[subtle kiln]

every time someone spreads doom and gloom nova goes on a hunger strike and we don’t need that

[marble hemlock]

I kinda do, she's getting fat

[subtle kiln]

take her for walks

[marble hemlock]

[subtle kiln]

rent a border collie to chase her around. works here. lol

[viscid spear]

When are they going to give Engineers the ability to Lust?

[echo geyser]

[clever kindle]

probably never since that's traditionally been a leatherworking thing

[inland hull]

Oh I'm sure there are lustful engineers already

[subtle kiln]

when it backfires 80% of the time to increase your gcd x2

[marble hemlock]

We already have leatherworking for BL

[clever kindle]

yeah engineer has b rez

[marble hemlock]

Engi should provide a less powerful version of shroud

[viscid spear]

Imagine explaining to someone why the brez backfired and killed you, lol

[marble hemlock]

And it already has CR

[clever kindle]

I mean b rez is pretty damn powerful

on top of shields and freedom of movement stuff like the reuseable glider

[subtle kiln]

I cut the wrong wire apparently

[marble hemlock]

Alchemists should be able to provide weapon oils that give a less powerful version of the magic/phys damage debuffs of dh/monk, inscription needs to get int/ap/stamina scrolls back etc.

[copper sundial]

Is it one +20 for keystone hero?

[clever kindle]

I miss being able to glide in raids blizz im sorry we glided for thunderfury to ash golm please bring it back

[viscid spear]

I can't help but laugh when it happens

[bleak sky]

the wording is a bit shaky

could be a new achievement for all +20s done

[copper sundial]

Ah

[bleak sky]

or could be a single +20 timed

[marble hemlock]

I mean, you just didnt use the defibrillator correctly and shocked yourself instead

[subtle kiln]

smooth brain rogue

[viscid spear]

It just said one Hero

[clever kindle]

pffft all these fancy new rez's

back in my day

we used to vanish then gnomish army knife someone

[viscid spear]

So just one timed +20

[marble hemlock]

Thats why the odds of a mis-cast on the CR and invis belt are higher if you have a lower engi skill

[clever kindle]

hoping you stayed out of combat

[bleak sky]

but doing a single 20 is SO much easier than clearing the whole raid / getting gladiator

[viscid spear]

Though how that equates to Mythic Raid and Glad idk

[bleak sky]

it doesn't really make sense

[copper sundial]

Yeah its nuch easier

Much even

[clever kindle]

one twenty takes me under an hour

progging mythic raid and getting to glad are in the range of weeks

or months

[marble hemlock]

GL doing that at the start of a new tier

[subtle kiln]

will depend on tuning at start

[clever kindle]

people will be banging out 15s day one of the next patch

[marble hemlock]

Shittons of people will struggle with that, actually.

[subtle kiln]

right now, grated PtR and lulz, 15s looked to be causing some issues.

[hollow river]

Even if I’m wrong, obedience doesn’t add the 20-30%+ more I saw other double legendary combos doing.

[marble hemlock]

No one argued that.

[clever kindle]

Just a short ladder up, and yes sorry to clarify im mostly talking about people on the mythic end of things

[marble hemlock]

I just said that it's difficult to judge the viability of classes right now based on a single day of double-legendary testing, with our strongest combination not even working, and loads of bugs and issues floating around and some sets not having received final tuning yet.

[bleak sky]

ksm week 2 is a given, can prob time 20s week 2/3 as well

[subtle kiln]

i haven’t looked at other classes. are they just simming legos? or legos + interaction with tier?

[marble hemlock]

Half of them aren't simming anything

[subtle kiln]

smart

[marble hemlock]

WL will have working and accurate 9.2 sims when Hall of Fame for Sepulcher is finished

[hollow river]

Yeah, I get that. All I’m saying is legendaries will also need tuning. Literally the only thing I said that sparked the entire debate.

[clever kindle]

hard to sim without trinket values and the rest of the tuning on tier sets

[bleak sky]

WL = ?

[clever kindle]

etc

[subtle kiln]

sooner if you subscribe to onlyfans

[marble hemlock]

Nah, WL simming is abysmal

[subtle kiln]

it’s all paywalled

[marble hemlock]

We do APL improvement for .2% dps increase, they fix their APL and its >10%

[subtle kiln]

they have plenty of people working on it just not anything open

[alpine elm]

Yo! Im progressing sylvanas and recently swapped to assassination to do some more boss dmg, which I did, just not as much as I excpected. Is ther any willing person that could go through some of my logs from last night and tell me whats off? I saw some obvious stuff myself but I just dont know where and what to change rly.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JpAdqtfy4DCFrvan#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=18

[viscid spear]

I'm on the Mage Discord and I don't see hardly any 9.2 discussion

[bleak sky]

p3 damage looks good

[subtle kiln]

try simming theo with mfd

[alpine elm]

Did but nadija stills sims higher for me

[marble hemlock]

You said quite a bit more than just "legendaries need some tuning".

[bleak sky]

idk man your damage looks pretty good to me

[hollow river]

They’re trying to keep all their insane broken builds secret

[clever kindle]

Your damage on sylvanas is almost completely out of your hands

assuming you are doing your rotation right and being in the right spot

Most of your cooldowns are scripted and assigned

[viscid spear]

[copper sundial]

Plz no arrow rngesus

[viscid spear]

But I'm trying to be a leet mayge

[clever kindle]

yes also arrow

[alpine elm]

Thanks mate

[clever kindle]

and chains

etc

[subtle kiln]

the spy vs spy conspiracy theories are strong this morning.

[marble hemlock]

Yes and no, the problem with WLs in particular is that even when things are "publicly known" to be a thing, there's no sims and the mods and CF-equivalents on the WL discord will point to the badly optimized sims and tell you that the thing from 3months ago is still the best build

[hollow river]

“I’m not nervous I just think the way things look right now is bad lol. Not even including tier set tuning in my thought process.”

[subtle kiln]

WL and Hunters always seems to be up to shenanigans. almost as bad as WW scaling.

I just stopped giving a shit. much easier. control what you can control and play your best.

[marble hemlock]

I'm done with this conversation, oxi and I both made it clear that we would prefer not needing to tell people to keep it in their pants and not claim that rogue is gonna be bad, when there's really no basis for a claim like that (yet). We're all happy to proclaim the end of the world with you, together, if there's actual reason to do so. Right now there isn't. Certainly not based on testing of broken and bugged things.

[clever kindle]

we're at probably the closest dps point in the history of WoW I think we'll be OK even if there are some outliers

[alpine elm]

Thing is like I most of the time compare myself to the other rogue in the guild and he somehow always beats me in p1 but idk how. I imo have litte better gear than him but he somehow does more with frost/and gets out more muti/envenoms

[subtle kiln]

p1 doesn’t matter

[copper sundial]

My BM hunter is ready fear not

[bleak sky]

p1 truly doesn't matter

p3 damage = big damage

[alpine elm]

It does for epen kekw

[bleak sky]

and you're doing just fine there

[alpine elm]

Ye i guess

[subtle kiln]

look at your p2 burns and p3

[clever kindle]

Correct P1 doesnt matter, but it could be your stat balance, RNG with chains and arrows, maybe your opener is slightly off?

hard for me to dive in because im at work to check

[bleak sky]

stat balance = whatever raidbots says

[subtle kiln]

mfd will pop p1 more if you can use it on chains.

[clever kindle]

and sentinels

even if its one at range thats about to die get a free reset

yoink free 5 cp

[subtle kiln]

yup

[alpine elm]

Well swapped to assassin like 2 days ago so I guess there is room to grow.

[hollow river]

I’m not even saying rogue is going to be bad. I’m saying a lot of legendaries need tuning. Basically to the effect of not wanting rogue to be badly tuned.

[alpine elm]

I just hate how it feels to play 15% haste + mfd, since that is what simc says

[hollow river]

I swear some people are delusional about shit idk

[alpine elm]

But cant understand how that will be better for st

[marble hemlock]

Wow, discord blocked my average mfd enjoyer vs vigor enthusiast meme 😦

[subtle kiln]

wait i need this

slide into my dms

[spice spire]

Get bent ig

[marble hemlock]

I mean, its a shitty one but still

[indigo mulch]

Vigor best wife

Ez

[marble hemlock]

People who enjoy MfD are probably into feet as well

[indigo mulch]

Roflmao

[nocturne geode]

has there been any talk on dusk for chest possibility for main stat? we just gonna go with ring?

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

It'll depend on the stats on the set pieces, among a bunch of other things

[spice spire]

Probably not since that’s a tier piece place

[indigo mulch]

Lets not kinkshame the poor feetworahippers

Poor guys just want to see some feet.

[marble hemlock]

So its too early to tell which slots the legendaries should go on

[alpine elm]

Ppl who like feet is neurologically explainable atleast

[subtle kiln]

I grabbed a ring cheap. can always resell it.

I like my secondaries and rings always seem to fuck me harder than daggers.

[marble hemlock]

Lets not discuss something as deplorable as foot fetishes in the assa channel. You'll find more supporters of that in sub or outlaw anyway, but its more of an offtopic thing.

[nocturne geode]

^

[indigo mulch]

I giggled

[marble hemlock]

If we had a League channel I'd send you there

[indigo mulch]

Lots of angry people there for sure.

[marble hemlock]

Or is that armpits now? I dont remember. Anyway, back to Assa.

Regarding the legendary pieces, theres a whole lot of decisiosn that go into what slots to craft legendaries on, often it's about opportunity cost and what other pieces are available for the same slot. Since we'll be running 4 set pieces that means it is likely we'll craft the legendary on whatever slot has the worst secondaries on the set piece.

I think we're still aiming for crit/haste next tier, at least at the moment, so pray for a vers mastery set chest or smth so you can safely craft dusk on chest with actual good stats.

[grand ridge]

I think someone mentioned haste mastery

[marble hemlock]

I might misremember smth, but Whispyr was talking about crit/haste not that long ago

[drifting cloud]

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/ICoJo/fa4370bef1.png

Emphasis on "more sims coming"

Will also depend on the itemization of the raid pieces, SoD for example had a lot of crit gear

[viscid spear]

Overtimed a NW+16 by 4 minutes, got 68 points and the Flayedwing Toxin

1966 now

[spice spire]

Horde was the move

[viscid spear]

Sure as hell was

The aoe dispel on Torrent is nice

Was able to knock off the healing hots off Mists trash

[bleak sky]

time a halls and gg?

[viscid spear]

I believe so

Only lookign for Halls right now

Lot nicer people

@bleak sky

[bleak sky]

[viscid spear]

34 off of KSM, I'ma do mah bestest

[spice spire]

I believe

[gilded belfry]

just complete a few 16s and you're there

[hoary remnant]

If your EU ill can help you.

[viscid spear]

+2'd a Halls 15 with Minal, got 11 points

[plush isle]

saw a clip pre nerf t set with Gingi as Surv and JPC at the target dummy and JPC got outdamaged by 3k singeltarget, lets see what Aura Buff we get next patch 😉

[viscid spear]

Looks like I'll have to wait until next week and do a Tyr run of NW or SoA

[bleak sky]

if you time your other 15s/16s you can get it

[viscid spear]

Hmm

Maybe a DoS, my best there is 15 & 14, both overtimed, Fort & Tyr respectively

[bleak sky]

time a PF,ToP and DoS and you should get it

15s

[viscid spear]

Then you have Spires and NW, which are 13 & 12 on Tyr

A timed 15 would be worth more than an overtimed 17?

[bleak sky]

probably, not sure

[hollow river]

I don’t think so

I can’t remember for sure though

Can check my RIO maybe

[viscid spear]

Like that shaman said, I don't understand the score system

[hollow river]

A timed 15 is roughly 127 points total

Depending on if you 1, 2 or 3 chest

An untimed 16 is roughly 124 points total

[viscid spear]

I have a Tyr PF+15 timed in 30min

The Fort +17 was 42:46

[hollow river]

So an untimed 17 should be just over a timed 15 but barely

The score system is like

If you have a timed +10 that’s worth 100 points total

A timed +15 of that dungeon will give you 27 more points

(Example)

[viscid spear]

We 2-chested that Halls+15, when my best was an OT +14, and got 11 points

[hollow river]

Yeah

That’s how it works

[bleak sky]

it also depends on how much you OT'd by

[viscid spear]

Might've just missed timing it I suppose

[inland hull]

The direction they're going with the new tier set has me so hyped to try it in M+

[hollow river]

Cleaving during your vendetta is kinda wonky feeling

2 targets is much more difficult

[bleak sky]

ruptures

[inland hull]

Optimizing will take a good bit of work, but the idea that I'll have a legit aoe burst cd is nice

[hollow river]

After the nerf it was kinda underwhelming

On 4 targets

[inland hull]

Well that's sad to hear, but I've got nothing there now, so anything should help

[hollow river]

Garrotes go brrr

I mean it’s still more aoe than we had before

[inland hull]

I'm curious on where it'll end up for ST. As in, how much it'll replace the loss of dom shards

[hollow river]

I think it replaces them well enough

And with double legendaries it more than replace them

[limber lion]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[dawn ivy]

was there a consensus on using a 2-3 point finisher during flag near the very end? im on ptr and it feels more beneficial to do that now than before

or rather it seems that situation occurs consistently

[limber lion]

Prior to 9.2, we always want to build to max-1, even during Flag.

Not sure how it would work out with Duskies

and the 4p

But we'll need to try some stuff out

[slow marsh]

If you're playing obed yes it's a slight gain to finish on 3 if flag is expiring for the cdr

[dawn ivy]

granted this is without lust so im sure it will be easier to yoink an extra global in there to get higher stacks

currently im not getting much more stacks than 9.1.5, maybe 2-3 more on average but feels similaer

[slow marsh]

I was having the same issues yesterday, flag stacks kinda suffer because no MA

[limber lion]

That's fine.

[dawn ivy]

yeah it sucks losing ma while gaining this much energy

kind of an equal trade in regards to flag stacks

[slow marsh]

Yeah

Also some of that haste is getting wasted inside of vend anyways because of overcap so it works out weirdly

[dawn ivy]

ive started weaving in belf racial in the opener because you just have no energy on pull with mfd

garrote-mutilate-SnD and im empty already lmfao

[slow marsh]

Yeah that's when I usually torrent anyways

[dawn ivy]

even added ~10% haste from gems and itemization to get some form of energy back

[atomic saddle]

Any rogues streaming PTR today?

[limber lion]

I've been using torrent in the opener since 9.0

Would highly recommend it

No reason not to slap it there

[vast forum]

assa energy in such a bad state, torrent is used in the opener kekw

[dawn ivy]

yeah, ill normally drop it within vendetta once i run dry, but now its in the first few globals lmfao

[slow marsh]

Try gar snd mut torrent Mut flag

[dawn ivy]

see i was thinking that gar slice would be totally doable as youre still going to reup the SnD before it drops

[vast forum]

not worth using gar in MA window

or is it nowadays? 😄

[dawn ivy]

not using ma

[gusty mirage]

We’re talking about ptr

[vast forum]

oh

my bad

[dawn ivy]

not in 9.2

[slow marsh]

It's doable with mfd envenom

[vast forum]

i'll go retreat back into my comfy sub channel

[gusty mirage]

[dawn ivy]

god yoppa cant you tell im talking about 9.2 even though im in the wrong channel

[gusty mirage]

Threads aren’t channels, so you’re not in the “wrong” channel

[slow marsh]

I'm debating on if I should wander off into necroland for today's testing

[dawn ivy]

no shot

flag going to be useful for the add phases

[gusty mirage]

Do it, tell fleshcraft that I miss it

[slow marsh]

Well yeah not because it'll be better than venth, because I want to see how bad it is even on a fight where it should in theory be good

[dawn ivy]

i think vigilant gaurdian might be a necro fight

lots of adds spawning and dying but living long enough to deal dot damage

as meme as it is to theorize the first fucking boss

[slow marsh]

The pantheon too maybe

[dawn ivy]

oh 100%

pantheon im genuinely prepping

all 4 coucil members of that fight at important and need to drop at the same % last i checked

and theres never less than two targets

[slow marsh]

But that's my point I want to know if it's even viable on fights where it should be decent or if it'll just be full send venth for everything

[dawn ivy]

(?)

i think venthyr will be fullsend on basically every fight

honestly now that i rmemeber the necro leggo, its probably not good on guardian

LOL

i always forget we have to lug that fucking legendary around

[slow marsh]

It'd be good for padding on the first part lol

[dawn ivy]

lmao

[slow marsh]

Then the execute phase comes and you're just sadge

[dawn ivy]

theres actually a decent number of fights this tier that have a sudden second add

which i think heavily favors assa

[slow marsh]

nobody will believe me but my unbias opinion is that sin will be the prevailing spec if it's going to get played at high levels

[dawn ivy]

dreadlords/halondrus/dausegne are specifically only ever 1-2 target fights, and then theres fights where there are adds but theres a huge prio target like anduin

if tuning is halfway decent and sub 4pc doesnt get reworked, then yeah sin will almost surely be the forerunner rn

[slow marsh]

yeah there's so much cleave and with 4p it multiplies our cleave strength even more

[dawn ivy]

subs RNG is through the roof and idk how viable that is for real prog

[subtle kiln]

after the 3 Fury Warriors and 1 Havoc and 1 Enhance fill the melee group?

[shy dust]

Why would you wft a havoc

[dawn ivy]

havoc isnt going the windfury build

theyre eyebeam gamers

[subtle kiln]

why would you take more than 5 melee 🙂

[slow marsh]

ehhhhh

[bleak sky]

I'm going fb/db, eybeam build sucks to play

[slow marsh]

Ye I think fb / db is better

[subtle kiln]

idk fury being glory simps. guess you toss a DK in there for amz

[bleak sky]

dk is bdk

[slow marsh]

UH might get to go with their massive buffs

[bleak sky]

unless the conduit buffs for grippy hands make dk viables

[subtle kiln]

i’m curious what the buffs do to UH

[dawn ivy]

its good for them but pretty sure theyre not in "the" tier

for melee that is

[slow marsh]

ye

[dawn ivy]

havoc/fury/rogue/enhance look the best rn

enhance is going to get so gutted lmao i almost feel bad

[subtle kiln]

just have to hope uptime kills fury.

[viscid spear]

Why does Shaman get shafted hard so often?

[slow marsh]

Sin should have a unique niche in that having vend every 45-50s means we have "burst" for every mechanic that gets even better with any simping

[dawn ivy]

i mean enhance is just overperforming

[subtle kiln]

and it’s not like arms is in a bad spot, just no glory simp

[dawn ivy]

theyre nuts

[slow marsh]

I dont think you take 3 wars this go around with tier sets

[dawn ivy]

keep in mind they have alluded to sweeping tier tuning soon

so fury might get obliterated

[subtle kiln]

all mage and warlock specs now best

[dawn ivy]

oh how are warlocks doing, is it good?

[slow marsh]

From what scari was saying they are gonna be looking closely at overall class balance after they get tier sets hammered out

[dawn ivy]

havent heard anyhting from warlocks

[slow marsh]

Demo is solid but doubt it gets the simp it needs to function

[subtle kiln]

warlocks are like fight club. they don’t talk about warlocks.

[dawn ivy]

yeah i have a feeling fury war is gonna get tapped along with havoc, and enhance is gonna get fuckin shot and thrown in the river

[slow marsh]

the other two are meh from what my lock guildie says

[dawn ivy]

last time enhance was good was when they abused a mechanic

[viscid spear]

Why doesn't Ash Crawler stealth with me?

[subtle kiln]

what’s hilarious is if you do 4 fury warriors and (i forgot the enhance setup) they all feed off glory mastery

[slow marsh]

try getting loot for 4 fury wars in the first week kekw

[subtle kiln]

i mean we saw multiple DKs geared out in 9.0

so I doubt that’s a major concern

[slow marsh]

with weapon tokens yeah

and no tier set

[rare token]

any thoughs on sin so far in ptr?

[grand ridge]

Isn't it better to have more people who use the same gear due to personal loot

[slow marsh]

ye

but it has drs

like anything

[slow marsh]

p gud

[grand ridge]

Does our 2 set still slap for aoe despite the nerf

[slow marsh]

not as hard but yes

[grand ridge]

Hellll yeah

[subtle kiln]

yes but should be able to hard stack normal with current crafted legos to trade all Normal tier loot just to finish off a bonus.

but that’s for the big brained world firsters to sort out with splits.

[dawn ivy]

cant get 4pc week one is depressing

[subtle kiln]

makes week 2 choices a bit more interesting for race

[clever kindle]

ah yes because like normal most people end up with a full 4 piece set in the first week

It is a clever way to prevent that via the use of splits, if the bosses simply do not drop the items

[bleak sky]

timegating is not fun

ever

[clever kindle]

you're free to have your opinion, I personally couldn't give less of a shit

[bleak sky]

it's good that rogues get good use of 2pc

but the classes that aren't as fortunate are kinda cucked

[clever kindle]

That's an issue that should be addressed by class designers if someones 2 piece is useless like ours was, but all classes and specs weren't built equal and never will be; people will have advantages at various stages of prog

[glass tulip]

Rogues in rwf

[clever kindle]

Would have been if not for shards during SoD prog

[glass tulip]

True

That was very sad to hear about

[subtle kiln]

poor perfecto

[glass tulip]

^

[clever kindle]

[balmy condor]

perfecto made his own mistakes

akaari on gloves btw

[glass tulip]

L

[clever kindle]

oop

[subtle kiln]

where’s our flower doomblade meme

[vestal wren]

[gusty mirage]

??? Pieces had rogues throughout the entire raid

lol

[dawn ivy]

RWF is only echo and limit to alot of people

and tbh i kinda get it

[gusty mirage]

weird

[clever kindle]

I think people are going to see the race as being between the two frontrunners, not that the other guilds aren't putting in work on the same un-nerfed bosses with the same prep, but opinions on creating vs using a strategy will probably overshadow most else

If I tune in to F1 I'm not particularly looking to see the back third of the pack

[marble hemlock]

what even is that comparison

its not like the 3rd or 4th place are "the back third of the pack" comparatively

[daring plover]

[marble hemlock]

theyre a few days behind, at most

[dawn ivy]

or maybe people only see Limit and Echo as being perfect, and any guild that uses something slightly different than the top 2 are just bad at game (if limit/echo doesnt use rogue, rogue bad)

[marble hemlock]

yeah

like in crucible

when method was running the full warlock stack and lost

Just cause someone finishes first, doesn't mean their comp or strategy was prefect. More often than not, you'll hear people from those very same guilds discuss how they felt they could've done better comp-wise, as constant improvement is the #1 goal for these people

[dawn ivy]

for example limit heavily regretted having any venthyr druid in the raid

[marble hemlock]

So dunno why people consider their comps or the lack of certain classes in their comps the go-to, when those guilds themselves admit to not running perfect comps

[dawn ivy]

they admit night fae was not only equal in prog, but better in general

[marble hemlock]

Both guilds said that their lack of rogues hurt their chances of getting first

Because Rogue was very very good on Sylv

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

As was proven by the runner-ups

@daring plover

youre not even a rogue anymore

youre a wizard now

[clever kindle]

What comparison, you can use real data to prove it out. Sorry to say but the community at large does not care if you're a day behind or 5 days behind which was the only point I wanted to make

[daring plover]

🧙🏼‍♂️

[marble hemlock]

Traitor

[gusty mirage]

so why does 2nd place matter then

[viscid spear]

Now you just have to wait for your letter to Hogwarts

[gusty mirage]

using that logic

[clever kindle]

You would be hard pressed to find people who could name the top 5 guilds to kill Sylv

[marble hemlock]

Yeah well, large parts of the community also happen to be stupid. Why argue or follow arguments with stupid people

[clever kindle]

Why? So you can make fun of their fans of course

[viscid spear]

Surely you will be sorted into Slytherin, you traitor

[clever kindle]

You need someone to complete against, and then you can start your fanboy calculus on why your team lost

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[gusty mirage]

people wouldn't be able to think of pieces, bdgg, or method????

huh?

[clever kindle]

No

[marble hemlock]

Yeah gonna press a big on that one

[gusty mirage]

if you're even watching the RWF

[marble hemlock]

Most people cant even name Limit/Echo, for that matter, because they dont care

[gusty mirage]

you know all those guilds

[marble hemlock]

But anyone following the RWF knows like 10+ guild names

They know that guilds like Aversion, like Exorsus, like Pieces, FatSharkYes etc. exist

[clever kindle]

Max has said before and I'm sure it's come up elsewhere but a significant portion of the RWF viewership doesn't even play WoW

[viscid spear]

[marble hemlock]

Well, exorsus doesnt anymore

[subtle kiln]

you should follow bdgg on twitter. they are the real winners there.

[bleak sky]

Rip exorsus

[gusty mirage]

rip exorsus

[marble hemlock]

Sure, but how does their opinion on class-comps on raids matter?

[gusty mirage]

[clever kindle]

I like bdgg and their players

[marble hemlock]

I like most of them, except this ranged player guy they have

Think his name is Mom

Or Dad

Dunno

[gusty mirage]

the one who abandoned us

[viscid spear]

Stepsis? Does he play NF?

[marble hemlock]

@ruby idol traitor

[nimble tartan]

my fave guild is memento

[clever kindle]

[nimble tartan]

eu

[marble hemlock]

@warm parcel you have a fan

[subtle kiln]

he has two

[marble hemlock]

[gusty mirage]

my fav eu guild is whatever guild cev's in

[subtle kiln]

free flowi

[marble hemlock]

free flowi

and tom

[nimble tartan]

free flowi

he added me on bnet recently…

[marble hemlock]

had a spambot a few days ago called "tanner"

brought back memories

[subtle kiln]

haha

[subtle kiln]

you going to simp for Push too?

[marble hemlock]

okay bro 😦

[gusty mirage]

my old man simp slot is filled by seli

[nocturne geode]

https://tenor.com/view/that70s-show-kitty-drinks-drinking-day-chill-gif-16669162

[gusty mirage]

[subtle kiln]

I enjoy watching Nova and Familiar with Drama.

[gusty mirage]

nova bullying seli when he streams is great content

[marble hemlock]

getting bullied by a fat fuck

[gusty mirage]

prepping you for life in america

[marble hemlock]

i thought youre losing weight atm?

[gusty mirage]

true

[ruby idol]

@marble hemlock just wait til you see what i main this tier holy shit lmao

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[oak sky]

Wizard players

[marble hemlock]

can you leak in DMs?

[oak sky]

[marble hemlock]

its gonna be a fucking WL isnt it

[nimble tartan]

survival

[balmy condor]

Undad the mistweaver monk main

[oak sky]

@nimble tartan u think undad is a midmaxer?

[nimble tartan]

i believe so

[oak sky]

Man bdg so goated

Crazy

[ruby idol]

Just know i miss it here

And im sorry for what im gonna do this tier

[balmy condor]

b...boomkin?

he's becoming that which he hates the most

[placid kraken]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[placid kraken]

I am trying to leave Boomkin prison and go back to rogue but my RL isn't impressed with Rogue stuff 😦

[marble hemlock]

himself?

[placid kraken]

You can't hate what is already dead.... wait thats not it

[oak sky]

Undad will be back next expansion we get raid utility for sure

[marble hemlock]

probably WL

he made fun of them on twitter

and now he plays one, for the ultimate irony

[oak sky]

I mean tbf fuck warlock

Is the warlock sammysausage?

[placid kraken]

warlock is so useful it hurts tho

[marble hemlock]

no idea actually

all his chars have great names

[oak sky]

True

I cant remember which one is the warlock

[marble hemlock]

@ruby idol requesting a screen of your char selection

[oak sky]

Yeah its sammysausage

i remember robyfortnite and i think its jonyhalfpipe?

[subtle kiln]

@ruby idol Magi

[oak sky]

ur so cool undad

lmao

kyle karate

what a king

[umbral rapids]

10/10

[ruby idol]

was hoping to whip out dimitri this tier but i dont think its in the cards

[marble hemlock]

[subtle kiln]

one and done warrior eh?

[oak sky]

dimitri sounds like an ideal ranged tier tbh

if im playing ranged i wanna be a priest 💯

[marble hemlock]

never gonna be able to play rogue if its the only one without a meme name

[subtle kiln]

wanna be ranged is playing SV

[ruby idol]

idk i cant bring myself to change undaddy

[marble hemlock]

understandable

[nimble tartan]

petewheeler goated

[ruby idol]

yeah if i were to change rogue it would be to like Whetepeeler or something

i love peter

[placid kraken]

Potential Undad rogue name: Donnydaggers

[ruby idol]

lame

[placid kraken]

hmm peter

Peterpoker

[marble hemlock]

Peterpancake

[placid kraken]

Im just spit balling here

[gusty mirage]

you're all missing the best meme name ever that fits with sammysausage (his new main)

Tommysalami

[ruby idol]

My dh is tommytornado

He just didnt fit in the pic

[gusty mirage]

damn we're running out of meme names then

[nimble tartan]

benbreadsticks

[oak sky]

omaronions

[nimble tartan]

alright bro

[ruby idol]

I think the skate tricks are better than the food ones

[placid kraken]

Vinyvariableflip (too long I think)

[oak sky]

hmmm

[ruby idol]

Tryin to get a frootbooter in like Mattymizou or somethin

[oak sky]

martymctwist

[gusty mirage]

Wallywallride

ez

[placid kraken]

Petequarterpipe

okay back to work lol

[subtle kiln]

peterpuffin

[atomic saddle]

Did they fix the snapshot vendetta 4pc thing on PTR?

[nocturne geode]

pickedApackOF

[slow marsh]

no

[dawn ivy]

not yet, theyve mentioned theyre still looking into keeping it in the game

[slow marsh]

hopefully they dont

[balmy condor]

hopefully they do

cause it's jank

haste snapshotting

is whack

[strange python]

i know this question has probably been asked, but if we are staying venthyr next tier will we be using subterfuge still after the nerfs?

or staying MA

[atomic saddle]

that would be awesome

[dawn ivy]

its looking like Subt but MA isnt too far behind and nothing is final

garrote still doesnt do much damage, so its still kinda in the air

[strange python]

got it, tytyty

was just wondering

[slow marsh]

sus

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-mark-huh-what-confused-gif-4995479

[slow marsh]

garrote is our #1 dam ability

[kind talon]

carrote

[viscid spear]

My #1 ability is a spell called "Melee"
Can't find it in my spellbook or talent tree tho

[kind talon]

holy moly

[oak sky]

[viscid spear]

[hollow river]

Finally got back to Sylvanas within 1 reclear

So tonight will be my kill

[viscid spear]

get 'er

[warm parcel]

hes an old memento simp

always been

[marble hemlock]

memento simps are the worst

like this cev dude who joined for a week and then left again

killing the guild in the process

[warm parcel]

yea

[dawn ivy]

MA is like 50 dps behind Subt

[slow marsh]

Ye ik but you said garrote doesn't do much damage

[limber lion]

woah woah woah

hey now

[dawn ivy]

yeah its not nyalotha levels of damage

our damage is coming out of all three dots we have, not just one. which is kinda nice to see but god damn is it a little clunky feeling as im getting used to it

[slow marsh]

It is

[limber lion]

it really isn't.

not even close.

[slow marsh]

It is clunky

Dorkus

[limber lion]

ah, thought you said that current garrote is doing nyalotha levels of damage

gucci

[dawn ivy]

i think the biggest clunky feeling is the vendetta overhang

i cant imagine that not a big thing to focus on if that stays

pretty sure i still like it though

[limber lion]

I don't think it's too clunky after playing with it quite a bit

I enjoy the playstyle

[dawn ivy]

yeah i just gotta get used to consistently remembering to reup garrote at 7-8 seconds of vendetta

[slow marsh]

Im enjoying it for sure it just feels a bit awkward in the opener

[dawn ivy]

and to also have a full rupture at the end of vendetta

[limber lion]

Yeah, you just have to think several seconds ahead

[slow marsh]

Cev you'd maybe be happy to know I've been playing Nf in testing

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Good, Whispyr told me that you've been destroying him in dps

So that's good

Destroying the Venthyr fanboy with NF

[thorny pond]

Eat his vampire ass

[viscid spear]

Delicious

[slow marsh]

Yom

[viscid spear]

nomnomnom
Excellent year

[gusty mirage]

you make me sick

[dawn ivy]

nf is already dead you hooligans

[slow marsh]

Is it tho

[dawn ivy]

YES LOL

[slow marsh]

Is it tho?

[bleak sky]

all I see is Iceblades beating all the other rogues in ptr

[dawn ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gun-shooting-monkas-sweat-gif-10996150

[gusty mirage]

the guy doesn't raid retail so he sits on ptr maximizing his dam

[slow marsh]

Wym I raid retail lol

[gusty mirage]

CE check?

did you stop getting griefed yet

[dawn ivy]

tox

[gusty mirage]

I'm not the one holding him back

he's actually actively being griefed by his guild

[slow marsh]

Ye I have two kills now

They just private log remember cuz they're cringe

[gusty mirage]

pog

hell yeah

about fuckin time

[dawn ivy]

grats on the dagger

[gusty mirage]

toxic

[dawn ivy]

yeah thats fair...

[slow marsh]

Rip still no daggie

[gusty mirage]

for your daggie @slow marsh

[slow marsh]

I have belt ring and chest but still no eon

[gusty mirage]

thats how it worked out for me too

[viscid spear]

I decide to go Horde, I get HC EoN just before I do and then a dagger drops from a MoTS I did for score

[gusty mirage]

legit got everything from her from vault except dagger, then I got the dagger

[viscid spear]

[bleak sky]

Did you get 2k ash?

[viscid spear]

Was trying

Just gonna knock out one rq after reset, plenty of options on Tyrannical

Unless I find one over the weekend, idk

[glass tulip]

what do you need to get the fastest 2k, I have a mists if you wanna run it

[bleak sky]

if ash times all the keys bricked on fort it's 2k

[viscid spear]

Yeah, I'm eating dinner rq

[viscid spear]

SD 16
HoA 15
PF 17 (OT)
ToP 16 (OT)
MoTS 15
SoA 15
NW 16 (OT)
DoS 15 (OT)

Those are my Fort keys

[glass tulip]

oh I can just look at your rio

[viscid spear]

I didn't know if it updated, lol

[glass tulip]

it did

I have a 17 mists I can get some friends for if you want to run it

double rogue strats

[viscid spear]

It's fine, if need be I have a few Tyr keys that are low so if I time just one of those I'll hit 2k no sweat

[viscid spear]

Timed a PF+16, 8 points

1981 now

[inland hull]

Oh snap! Get it Ash!

[spice spire]

[upbeat needle]

do y'all hold fusion amp for vendetta or use on CD?

[balmy condor]

vendetta does no affect trinkets

[upbeat needle]

so amp on CD

[spice spire]

Yes

[tired falcon]

well i was gonna start playing sin in m+ but then i saw this, and my 0 mastery

[limber lion]

You literally do not have to look at stats ever

not in raid, not in m+

Worrying about stats is completely useless waste of energy

It only matters when you're doing +30's and pushing for rank 1 parses.

[tired falcon]

i mean, i certainely know

but i know the woes of having the complete wrong stats

[oak sky]

all the stats are fine in m+ tbh

[limber lion]

wut

did you not hear what I just said

There are no "completely wrong stats"

You can literally have 50% haste and 0 crit/mastery

and do just fine

like it does not matter

[tired falcon]

ik, but i wanna do big dam

[limber lion]

Then play better

With optimal gear you can edge out 100 dps more

not 5k

putting so much emphasis on stats is a waste of time, trust me.

I'm always the top dps in the dungeons that I run

and the only mastery I get is from my Sylvanas chestplate and my Zoldyck

nothing else

"Not having the right secondaries" is just a lazy excuse for playing bad

"I do bad dps because I don't have enough crit/mastery" is not a thing.

[tired falcon]

oh trust me i know, but knowing i can do bigger damage is sad

and i never said i do bad damage lol

[limber lion]

end me.

[oak sky]

[bleak sky]

yeah you can do big damage by playing better

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

why are you crying

[balmy condor]

cause he's not playing better

[bleak sky]

we're all crying

inside

[gusty mirage]

well he still is necro

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

@spice spire get rolled bro god damn

[timid cloud]

What's the move for when we're using BS/DS & we're in our MA window? If I get an Ambush, I use Ambush right? I always forget.

[limber lion]

Yes, you substitute Mutilate for Ambush everytime it procs

[arctic walrus]

feelscraft tells me to mut over ambush with crit so ratio

[limber lion]

Feelcraft also tells me to never play blindside/deeper strata ever again

[arctic walrus]

nah that's just truthcraft

[gusty mirage]

that's copecraft

[limber lion]

[bleak sky]

feelcraft tells me to play NF 9.2

[spice spire]

Only rolling imma do is roll you over if you keep lackin bro, on Jah you feel

[arctic walrus]

delusionalcraft

[gusty mirage]

can someone translate this for me

[spice spire]

“Nice balls bro”

[gusty mirage]

oh okay

ty

[oak sky]

I find mfs like you really interesting bro

[spice spire]

Feint more nerd

[balmy condor]

I find trials like you really interesting bro

[alpine latch]

I know it's heroic

But it's then only flex I can do

our boomie is boosting kyrian

so I'm getting juiced

That's without PI, just Kyrian druid

[oak sky]

"just kyrian druid"

[alpine latch]

hey

lol

[spice spire]

Kyrian Druid is the biggest gain tho. KA busted

[alpine latch]

yeah

I'm getting PIs on guardian

[balmy condor]

I wish I played sin

[slow marsh]

Me too

[spice spire]

Sub OTP

[drifting cloud]

no you dont

[faint harness]

[balmy condor]

I have an actual shot at getting KA+PI

on prog and farm

[slow marsh]

You can do it fren

[oak sky]

[fallow otter]

99s plz

[alpine latch]

I'm trying 😢

I'm just fucking bad

97 on Guardian too

[fallow otter]

time to min max

[arctic hare]

I’ve pulled off 7.9k in a painsmith before

That was a good day

[alpine latch]

yeah

I got 7.7 without PI

We hero'd p1

Because my RL decided "lol just hero on pull on every boss"

and called for hero on pull of KT

[glass tulip]

@arctic hare I just hit this bad boy this week

[arctic hare]

Hellllll yeah dude

[glass tulip]

no pi/ka, we are ethical parsers out here

[alpine latch]

95.9% perf avg on heroic now

I'll take it

[gusty mirage]

kinda sus screenshot

[glass tulip]

wdym

hot off the logs

is this better for you master

[gusty mirage]

no

what difficulty

[glass tulip]

heroic

thats what the discussion was about

mythic best is 89/8.33k

[gusty mirage]

why you being hostile bruh

😛

all I said was it was sus

[glass tulip]

im not I was clarifying

[gusty mirage]

thats it

[glass tulip]

stop being toxic

smh

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-leonardo-dicaprio-django-unchained-meme-gif-18513725

[glass tulip]

someone take this man's green again

[gusty mirage]

I took my own green last time champ

nt though

[glass tulip]

statement still stands

[gusty mirage]

you sound upset

sorry I hurt your feelings 🙂

[glass tulip]

not really, just vibin watchin naruto

but apology accepted

not gonna be mad on the internet

[subtle kiln]

thinking that’s a punishment.

[gusty mirage]

they don't know

[glass tulip]

having it is the real prison

rip

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/upset-jail-scrooge-mcduck-ducktales-sad-gif-11915215

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-they-didnt-know-that-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-shush-dont-say-it-out-loud-keep-it-for-you-gif-21442699

[thorny pond]

Hello beautiful people

[balmy condor]

@glass tulip I'm a bit sus myself

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

wheres that fient a lot guy

[gusty mirage]

@oak sky you're being summoned

[glass tulip]

wh

[balmy condor]

ticking sack nerfed

@drifting cloud

the prophecy

no tazavesh for us brother

[slow marsh]

that's a huge nerf

[echo geyser]

it wasnt even good tho or

[bronze pike]

how much was it nerfed?

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

24%

[bronze pike]

awww

thats alot..

[echo geyser]

didnt u sim it the other day or were those sims bogged?

[slow marsh]

yeah it wasn't great for sin

[gusty mirage]

well it needs it tbh

[echo geyser]

246 FCM beating 260 or 270 w/e

[bronze pike]

divine bell is also nerfed

[gusty mirage]

ye

[bronze pike]

big sad for me :( a ret main

[gusty mirage]

40% less mastery at a higher duration

[echo geyser]

nerfing sack for specific specs?

[gusty mirage]

it's pretty solid at 233

so imagine being able to get it at a higher ilvl

[slow marsh]

anyone with high apm and decent use for mastery right

[echo geyser]

not many specs like that i think

feral?

[balmy condor]

oshosi on slg

[slow marsh]

rip oshoi

[balmy condor]

gone too soon

to see mastery rise

[bronze pike]

unholy?

[thorny pond]

IQD mastery and phial are our 9.2 trinkets

MP

MfD, NS

[bronze pike]

isnt iqd unpredictable tho?

[echo geyser]

trusty ol phial

[bronze pike]

i know i have one on my ret paladin and have to micromanage it a bit to get that sweet sweet mastery proc

[echo geyser]

i wonder if the tazavesh trinket will be good

the stat one

that gives another player stat too

[thorny pond]

Prolly

[grave ivy]

Ugh, teamwork

[thorny pond]

Gonna have a big ol sack

[echo geyser]

just buff eachother

[thorny pond]

Consensual rub n tug

You give me KA
I give you soleah

[echo geyser]

[thorny pond]

Together we ride the bench like idiots

[oak sky]

wat

[weak plover]

We posting heroic parses? Im in

[bleak sky]

any healers in chat

[bleak sky]

100 sheeeeeeesh

[ashen totem]

i wonder if i run leeching poison

what do i get

[balmy condor]

101

[weak plover]

How can we all be 99? Seems sus

[bleak sky]

theo + frost set

[winter trout]

would someone tell me what are the biggest mistakes i'm making from this log? i am not sure how i can do more dmg or what i'm missing
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xF8J9AaQ6tkHLng4#boss=2435&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-done

[solid venture]

guess i'll chime in then

[rustic heath]

Anyone know of a nameplate that will cause your dot auras to glow when in pandemic range?

[nimble tartan]

plater with a pandemic function can do it

[lilac cloak]

yo rogues is there any way u guys play nf next tier on assa?

[rotund oak]

not even 100 😅

[balmy condor]

Doubt

[lilac cloak]

k ty

[rotund oak]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[junior rampart]

I guess Ceverion's plater does. You can check once in wago.io

[hollow dirge]

It’s too early to tell, but god I hope not 😂

[lilac cloak]

no its not too early

[balmy condor]

I mean

[lilac cloak]

some stuff is completely unplayable

[balmy condor]

It kinda is

[lilac cloak]

some stuff might be playable

[balmy condor]

Fae looks fine

Just like

[lilac cloak]

some stuff has high chance of being playable

[balmy condor]

Not better than venth

[lilac cloak]

on my spec nl is completely unplayable

and wont be touched if it doesnt get 100% aura

f.e

[balmy condor]

Kyrian won’t get touched on sin

The 3 other probably will see play

[lilac cloak]

kk

[balmy condor]

But kyrian is also the best covenant for the other 2 specs

[abstract flicker]

which 2 leggys we playing as venthr?

[balmy condor]

dusk

[hollow dirge]

Speaking of chances after calling me for saying it’s too early 😂😂

[mossy mulch]

and stat priority would be haste/crit instead crit / haste like 9.1 right?

[balmy condor]

yeah I guess

[warm scarab]

Does anyone have a reccomendation whos logs i can compare mine too to improve, just any top 100? Mainly opener and flag optimisation is what im after.

[hollow river]

I’d be weary of looking at any top logs that are getting externals buffs, like PI, Kindred Affinity, etc etc.

They could be making a decent amount of mistakes but parsing high just because they’re getting external buffs.

[warm scarab]

Yea i thought so, maybe just look past those getting buffs should be fine

[subtle kiln]

opener is in any of the guides. flag is on cd for the most part.

you’d be better served posting logs for review

[warm scarab]

Im currently around 93 avg for mythic only 4/10 bosses
And 96 hc

[warm scarab]

I'll do that, might uncover something i dont know to look for

[jade minnow]

Is there any way to filter logs with buffs?

[balmy condor]

no

[arctic hare]

I really wish there was