only onr i have atm is obedience
#assassination
late gulch
viscid spear
How high are the keys you do?
late gulch
so i can roll with that then 🙂
well am only 230 and just started doing keys around 15s. but goal is to atleast do 20 keys 🙂
viscid spear
Then yeah, Obed is your go-to
hollow river
Not far behind no
viscid spear
Just have to be smart and game-plan your Flag uses. It's Fort week so using it on particularly nasty trash will help a lot. Make sure you can have it up for bosses because in Fort you're only going to get one Vend/Flag combo off typically
late gulch
ass is alot more fun or rather the only spec i rly like as rogue. just scared i wont be inved due to it.
viscid spear
I hear you, I prefer Sin as well
hollow river
You might run into some cringe people that will only accept a sub rogue
But don’t worry
viscid spear
But I make sure to dabble in the other two just to be safe, so in case the meta gets flipped upside-down I have knowledge
hollow river
If they’re like that then you don’t want to play with them anyway trust me
late gulch
yea true. thanks alot guys. its a blast playing assasin 🙂
viscid spear
When you play assassin, you put both your asses in
spice spire
late gulch
hehe 😄
viscid spear
nocturne geode
late gulch
btw while am at it. what potency is prefered for dungons?
viscid spear
Lashing Scars >= Sudden Fractures > Poisoned Katar >= Lethal Poisons = Well-Placed Steel
late gulch
me being noobish as always what does does marks mean between them.?
viscid spear
= greater than or equal to
late gulch
ah ok
late gulch
yea sounds good so skip well placed then?
viscid spear
Well Placed is great ST, not so much in M+
late gulch
yea true. guess it might have a place instead of katar on tyranical?
viscid spear
Using Shiv on CD is still recommended but you get more value from Katar than WPS
If you really need to push damage hard on bosses during Tyrannical weeks, you can
I mean, our AoE isn't why people bring us 
late gulch
ah yea, thx for the help once again ^^
hollow river
viscid spear
I keep forgetting to switch WPS out for Katar 
frosty bridge
Conduits are terrible, I'd just go with WPS always tbh
hollow river
I never switch them
gusty mirage
Conduits are terrible, I'd just go with WPS always tbh
Based
PK’s crit chance not scaling with ilvl is a joke
Oh boy 20% increase to fan of knives damage 
viscid spear
Hey buddy, you just fly in from The Heart of the Forest?
viscid spear
Here's another to add to the forest
I want to keep pushing my NF Renown but I just have PTSD
late gulch
do you guys got a macro to share to show group stealth when its up. 🙂
or countdown :)
gusty mirage
or countdown :)
viscid spear
yoink
late gulch
thanks you! 😄
weak plover
Heart of the Forest has been good to me (ToP)
viscid spear
Oh you can change your display name in Details?
weak plover
yes
viscid spear
Ah, I see now
Jeez, only 2 people in this NW group and the note says to mention if you're Kyrian, get declined immediately
Like man, you still had two more spots if you picked me
viscid spear
It's only like 58
weak plover
ez fix
charred wraith
funny enough kyrian is probably the most popular covenant among better specs for m+ (or maybe even most popular specs in m+)
viscid spear
"better specs" 
charred wraith
i meant specs which see good representation or perform better on average without looking at certain niches
gusty mirage
Oh you can change your display name in Details?
its my fav part of the game
oak sky
@gusty mirage which boss?
oak sky
big
charred wraith
fate 
gusty mirage
oak sky
havent done fate in months cant be me 
dawn ivy
problem is fate has 0 gear for any class
other than the one trinket to farm for next tiers farm
charred wraith
leather head piece is the best there is this tier
ring is slightly above decent for sub and very easy to get
wrists a bit less but acceptable
charred wraith
problem is fate has 0 gear for any class
at this point if you need something it's that 1 piece which would never drop
right ramfam 
weak plover
Imagine parsing on fate instead of doing all the runes and specing for execute
viscid spear
Sadge when a group gets to 3 dps but they don't specify or decline you so you have false hope
echo geyser
right ramfam <:monkascheme:585734083590750219>
u wot
echo geyser
echo geyser
spice spire
south hollow
:)
viscid spear
echo geyser
are u horde now @viscid spear
slow marsh
Imagine if you were horde you could've talked to them
spice spire
south hollow
you cna use that potion that makes u understand
potion of translation
viscid spear
Get a Mists group, internet gets fucky 
calm oriole
does sepsis interact with tier set ?
balmy condor
Stories, plural
viscid spear
We're talking Ivanxoxi slashfiction
gusty mirage
he broke my heart twice
once when he quit wow and a 2nd time when he professed his love for cev
whole bluff
Oxi stop being a jealous ex and a third wheel
nocturne geode
oof
plain onyx
lol
bleak knoll
The usage of frogs in this discord is almost disturbing
spice spire
Why is the use of emotes disturbing? 
alpine latch
alpine latch
Insects, spiders, worms
nocturne geode
subtle kiln
he broke my heart twice
I’m sorry. Musicians are smexy.
slow marsh
what i miss
gusty mirage
I’m sorry. Musicians are smexy.
alpine elm
Do you hold flag for vendetta or can one desync for some amount of time?
limber lion
You always send on cooldown
gusty mirage
Do you hold flag for vendetta or can one desync for some amount of time?
on cd unless you won't miss a cast of either, it becomes more apparent the more consistent your kill times get
but safe bet is on cd
limber lion
Yeh Oxi's right. Whispyr will be doing some full-send sims today with the "new" tier set, so be on the lookout for that.
viscid spear
nocturne geode
normal mist
My dudes
limber lion
My dude
normal mist
will there be any new gems for 9.2?
normal mist
either im a genious or really stupid
normal mist
just bought around 2k gems (haste mastery crit and versa) 25g each
for some reason someone thought that selling 2k gems for more than half the average price was a good idea
so... either ill do a good profit later on or... well free gems for everyone!
limber lion
Good luck!
Hopefully it pays off
I'm not much of a flipper or a merchant, but it's mad cash if you do it right.
normal mist
i've been doing gold since i dropped my first and only Sylv dagger (hc), at 2M rn (started with like 90k). I managed to flip a lot of raiding stuff but im kinda worried about this investment
since....
SOMEONE PUT OUT MORE 500 GEMS FOR 20G EACH
limber lion
Just buy em all and start selling em at like 80g each
Make a monopoly out of the gems
normal mist
i will yeah, but no point if someone keeps putting them at 25g Each
limber lion
Just keep buying em out
normal mist
everytime i buy them, they just keep putting more there
this will be a future investment. Its fine, i got this
viscid spear
Should come to my (soon to be former) realm, it's a madhouse over here
viscid spear
normal mist
@subtle tundra i've done some good investments this couple of weeks, so its fine, still at 2M!
viscid spear
Welp I started the process, letting the guild know and what other class they would like me to use besides Rogue
subtle tundra
i've tried swapping mains, nothing can satiate my hunger like assa
spice spire
Oh, I hope it goes well ash
spice spire
i've tried swapping mains, nothing can satiate my hunger like assa
Sub rogue enjoyer though
Just kidding, sub rogue forced
subtle tundra
not enjoying it
spice spire
subtle tundra
only pain
spice spire
Only two things in your life rn mr. varas, IO and pain
viscid spear
It's not like they don't have plenty of melee, I can literally get any class/spec up and do well enough for them
Pretty sure we're strapped for a Mage anyway 
spice spire
Frost mage 
yah
subtle tundra
Only two things in your life rn mr. varas, IO and pain <:PepeHands:4718717403818...
yea, had 3 weeks of vacation where i did nothing for uni and now i get bombarded for 6 weeks straight with evaluations/exams/projects 😳
subtle tundra
isnt the start of february push week? thats when my exam session starts 🥳
some grades may be sacrificed
lean coral
anyone know which conduits the fae sim is using for the 9.2 sims
balmy condor
alpine latch
Whispyr with the uber leet hax
viscid spear
nocturne geode
balmy condor
yeh
lean coral
is the stealth skill from sepsis free
balmy condor
no
lean coral
is it even worth using the ambush then
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
balmy condor
you can use it
but it's not something you need to find a bind for
it's pretty much neutral from sepsis proc
so I would assume with tier increasing poison damage, it's going to be worse again
vast glacier
If I have 5 CP and Shiv just got off cd, should I use Shiv -> Envenom or Envenom -> Shiv?
viscid spear
What do you spend the free ability on anyway?
balmy condor
you don't
viscid spear
Never knew for sure
balmy condor
If I have 5 CP and Shiv just got off cd, should I use Shiv -> Envenom or Envenom...
shiv env
viscid spear
Oh, just don't worry about it
balmy condor
30 from max is fine
spice spire
In a key you could garrote for the silence on the Sepsis proc, but it wasn’t empowered. In 9.0, anyway.
balmy condor
yeah that still works
vast glacier
Btw. another question about Shiv and pooing - am I right that I need to have 4-5 cp and a lot of energy (max-30) when Shiv goes off cd? Or just energy and 0 cp?
hollow river
Btw. another question about Shiv and pooing - am I right that I need to have 4-5...
Neither really
vast glacier
hm?
hollow river
CP before shiv doesn’t matter that much
Technically you could pool a little if you’re at 0-3 then shiv to 4-5
But it’s not a big deal at all iirc
vast glacier
sorry, I'm kinda confused. I don't need to pool energy at all?
vast glacier
Hmm. Why so?
bleak sky
pooling vs not pooling is not a big deal anyway
hollow river
That’s just the rule
vast glacier
That’s just the rule
I understand, but I'm just interested in details. If you don't pool before shiv, why do you pool before non-shived envenoms?
hollow river
Pooling vs smashing all your buttons is maybe 100 dps max as far as I know
vast glacier
Got it, got it, but I'm really curious =-)
hollow river
I understand, but I'm just interested in details. If you don't pool before shiv,...
You’re always ready to cast bleeds as soon as they need to be, it somewhat maximizes EP and Envenom debuff uptime I believe
But we don’t like, try hard trying to keep up EP or Envenom debuff
vast glacier
Why does it maximise debuff uptime while out of shiv and does not while in shiv? =-))
vast glacier
Yes, that's why it is important to have more envenoms in the window, right?
hollow river
No
vast glacier
Hmm.
hollow river
We do not try to squeeze any number of envenoms into shiv
vast glacier
Why?
hollow river
Just press what needs to be pressed, without pooling
You can refresh bleeds during shiv
hollow river
Just fine
You just smash shiv on CD
I see a lot of people who seem to think we don’t reapply bleeds in shiv
Which is incorrect
viscid spear
You just smash shiv on CD
Smash that Shiv 
alpine latch
Why?
You don't do it because at best, you're talking about a miniscule amount of damage.
vast glacier
That seems totally counterintuitive. I'm not talking about substituting refreshing Rupture over Envenom in shiv window, but I'm talking about pooling so we have more chance to have more envenoms...
hollow river
That seems totally counterintuitive. I'm not talking about substituting refreshi...
Envenom is literally just a filler spell
That should explain it all for you
vast glacier
You don't do it because at best, you're talking about a miniscule amount of dama...
Yes, but for some reason we - if min-maxing - pool OUT of shiv and not IN shiv. I'm totally lost.
vast glacier
Envenom is literally just a filler spell
Hmm, you mean that the buffs (EP + poison one) are more important than the initial damage?
viscid spear
Just hit Shiv on cooldown
Pool before Envenom
Simple as
hollow river
^
vast glacier
Pool before Envenom
Before ANY envenom, or before non-shived envenom?
Sorry for bothering you, but I wanna understand =-)
viscid spear
It seems weird but makes sense in practice
hollow river
> Pool before Envenom
Before ANY envenom, or before non-shived envenom?
Sorry fo...
Non shiv
Literally any CD, you stop pooling
Shiv/Vendetta/Flag
vast glacier
Ok. I seem to understand now. Thank you!
hollow river
Np
Sorry idk fully the intricacies of the why
But that’s just what makes you do the most damage
viscid spear
Yeah, don't want your Garrote/Rupture falling off while you're slamming finishers during Flag
alpine latch
And no, don't worry about bothering anyone. No one here will be upset that you want to learn more.
vast glacier
And no, don't worry about bothering anyone. No one here will be upset that you w...
Thank you =-))
alpine latch
Well, most of us on't
viscid spear
That's why we're here
viscid spear
Also to post cat pictures, but that's another thing
alpine latch
Only time people really get annoyed is when people ask the same question every 5 minutes
for 3 days straight
vast glacier
for 3 days straight
Ok, so the limit is 2 days 23 hours. Got it! ;-)
alpine latch
More often than not
If you have a question, you can probably search and find the answer (or just scroll up). If you don't find it in like 2 minutes of looking, then ask
And as always, read the pins first
gusty mirage
Thank you =-))
short answer: essentially it's a positive feedback loop for damage, envenom buff = more poison procs = more poison damage = poison damage is buffed by shiv = mutilate can proc poisons x2 because it's 2 hits
hollow river
Toxi coming in hot
gusty mirage
that's why we emphasize sending shiv on cd because missing a cast of shiv = worse than 1 or 2 envenoms in shiv
if that makes sense
vast glacier
short answer: essentially it's a positive feedback loop for damage, envenom buff...
Got it, thanks. So we don't pool for envenoms inside Shiv because it is counterproductive and less venom abilities will be buffed by Shiv. But we don't try to fit as many envenoms in Shiv because the bleeds and such are more important?
gusty mirage
ideally you'd naturally pool while waiting for shiv
but for practicality purposes, just send it on cd
vast glacier
got it, thank you!
gusty mirage
and yes you want to maximize your bleed uptime
because otherwise you lose energy regen + dam and then you're just sad
balmy condor
because otherwise you lose energy regen + dam and then you're just sad
jokes on you, I'm always sad
gusty mirage
so if you can avoid refreshing bleeds in shiv, perfect if not? fuck it just refresh during shiv
gusty mirage
jokes on you, I'm always sad
vast glacier
Btw, I have yet another question - this time about Crimson Tempest and AOE.
I seem to frequently run out of energy on an opener between Subterfuging, Crimsoning, Envenoming for SnD, and spreading the Bone Spikes.
What should I do first on an opener when multi-targeting? Maybe just place one or two Ruptures first, and then bother about SnD and Crimson? Or is the priority still right?
gusty mirage
you'd garrote x4 into CT, then bone spike rupture iirc but I haven't played necro in ages
gusty mirage
I personally CT first
carmine dawn
what makes theotar overtake nadjia? sylv gear?
bleak sky
garrote x4 -> snd -> fok -> ct -> rupture spread
vast glacier
bone spike rupture
You mean just one bone spike to make energy ticking, not the full-duration?
oak sky
what makes theotar overtake nadjia? sylv gear?
crit tea
bleak sky
what makes theotar overtake nadjia? sylv gear?
fatal flaw procs can be at weird timings + tea is good
oak sky
or haste tea
gusty mirage
> bone spike rupture
You mean just one bone spike to make energy ticking, not t...
that's just roughly what I remember doing
you can refresh ruptures as they're falling off
@spice spire hey boner spiker
seeing as you're the only person still playing necro we need an answer
vast glacier
Got it, thank you. Btw, the SnD with 4 cp after Garotte seems wasteful, but I guess there are more important priorities in the opener =-)
vast glacier
seeing as you're the only person still playing necro we need an answer
I personally picked Necro because it is a lot of fun, the refund mechanics and endless DoT feels pretty good. IDK about the numbers =-))
gusty mirage
sec I'll check what the bot does for ya
vast glacier
thank you! ^_^
violet jackal
I'm still 
gang
bleak sky
Got it, thank you. Btw, the SnD with 4 cp after Garotte seems wasteful, but I gu...
snd is literally free damage
vast glacier
snd is literally free damage
Yes, I meant that you could use the CP on both envenom damage and snd increase
gusty mirage
ideally yeah
bleak sky
keep it up throughout the dungeon
vast glacier
you snd once in a dungeon basically
Not with the tanks I'm getting ;-)
oak sky
snd vs ct shouldnt matter on the first pull since its such a tiny part of the key as a whole
bleak sky
yeah but one of them you do once
gusty mirage
and it won't really matter
bleak sky
the other one you do every pack
vast glacier
The point is - Rupture after both SnD and CT. Should I do max-sized CT or just to put it on, to get energy via rupture ASAP?
gusty mirage
so ideally, assuming snd is already up you'd prio CT
bleak sky
i'm about to play kyrian sin in keys lord help me 
carmine dawn
oxi double stones or what
bleak sky
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
carmine dawn
one stone one oil right
gusty mirage
double stones + agi
carmine dawn
thanks
hollow river
The point is - Rupture after both SnD and CT. Should I do max-sized CT or just t...
All finishers at 4 or 5 cp
oak sky
i'm about to play kyrian sin in keys lord help me <:prayge:803711491021733888>
you should just play outlaw
bleak sky
you should just play outlaw
even cringier
hollow river
So if you’re at 4 cp don’t fan of knives or SBS again
oak sky
even scuffed outlaw sounds more fun than kyrian sin
slow marsh
oxi should i finish on 3 if i'm playing obedience and i have 1 second left on flag
vast glacier
All finishers at 4 or 5 cp
The problem is - if I try to do all finishers in the opener at 4+ cp, I run out of energy to put my first Rupture
oak sky
oxi should i finish on 3 if i'm playing obedience and i have 1 second left on fl...
slight gain
gusty mirage
oxi should i finish on 3 if i'm playing obedience and i have 1 second left on fl...
you should not ask questions you know the answer to 🙂
oak sky
😈
slow marsh
bleak sky
The problem is - if I try to do all finishers in the opener at 4+ cp, I run out ...
you should have plenty of energy after garroting your four targers
once you have those 4 + ct rolling, you'll be swimming in energy
gusty mirage
but yeah any necro specific questions I'd ask the necro boys or @marble hemlock
vast glacier
you should have plenty of energy after garroting your four targers
Hmm, for some reason I don't. Maybe it's because the low-ilevel tanks are crap, and I often need to prioritise SnD recast or emergency Envenom =-)
gusty mirage
haven't actually played necro seriously since like May
bleak sky
tanks have nothing to do with your energy
vast glacier
once you have those 4 + ct rolling, you'll be swimming in energy
CT doesn't regen energy, does it?
hollow river
tanks have nothing to do with your energy
If they take forever and a half to pull between packs it definitely does
gusty mirage
check it
vast glacier
tanks have nothing to do with your energy
I mean that I cannot go CT => Rupture, I need to go SnD refresh => CT => Rupture, and I often become starved here
gusty mirage
switch to IB and check the tooltip for venomous
inland hull
You running vigor?
vast glacier
Yeah
gusty mirage
unstable or daschlas
imma need a bit more context here
hollow river
What
bleak sky
switch to IB and check the tooltip for venomous
living and learning fuck me
oak sky
daschlas but its almost even @carmine dawn at least thats what i would guess
carmine dawn
boots
carmine dawn
im so uninformed this tier
bleak sky
marble hemlock
but yeah any necro specific questions I'd ask the necro boys or <@!2107840277523...
am i not a necro boy?
hollow river
Oh guardian or the nine boots?
carmine dawn
just cba to do anything
oak sky
@carmine dawn are you trying to make a bis setup or what
oak sky
do you have all gear
carmine dawn
more or less yeah
gusty mirage
i didnt raid all of december and just forgot everything
keep up snd, garrote, rupture, shiv on cd, don't bother syncing flag and vendetta
ez
carmine dawn
sans daggers 
gusty mirage
there ya go friend
carmine dawn
lmao i know that much
oak sky
just run all the kt/sylv loot tarra bracers and everything else should be raid loot with crit on it
carmine dawn
my boots are still daschlas so i guess ill stick to those
oak sky
daschlas is bissy
carmine dawn
my outlaw set was on unstables
carmine dawn
thanks
hollow river
Agreon
bleak sky
haste 
hollow river
Cmon now
oak sky
carmine dawn
keep up snd, garrote, rupture, shiv on cd, don't bother syncing flag and vendett...
wait don't sync flag and vend anymore? even with the whispyr tech
gusty mirage
wait don't sync flag and vend anymore? even with the whispyr tech
if you can without missing a cast of either, yes
but lets be real
kill times are janky af even on farm
oak sky
haste <:thonk:626276768470532106>
someones playing m+.... or sub
spice spire
<@!226508540746006528> hey boner spiker
What’s up? Sorry driving home king
gusty mirage
What’s up? Sorry driving home king
we needed boner spike help
abstract cargo
SHAME
gusty mirage
and you failed us
carmine dawn
our guardian timer is like 1 vendetta its so annoying
spice spire
oak sky
under 2min?
carmine dawn
i mean
gusty mirage
stats dont matter top gear tells the whole story
but what if I built my stat weights around necro 
bleak sky
someones playing m+.... or sub
sub 
bleak sky
I'll play sub this week
carmine dawn
idk its been a month
bleak sky
it's why I'm farming kyrian renown
worthy heart
Should i just play outlaw on painsmith? Either i am too scared of being smashed by balls or i get smashed by balls if i go and try to do damage
bleak sky
no veinripper = no outlaw from me
gusty mirage
it's why I'm farming kyrian renown
just do what I did, get 78 renown as kyrian
oak sky
but what if I built my stat weights around necro <:PES_Clown:619847304756592653>
feint more it makes up the damage difference
bleak sky
I wanna see how it plays
for funsies
I do hate how that spec loves sylv daggers tho
dropping from a 252 oh to a 233 sylvi oh feelsbadman
oak sky
dropping from 259 oh to 259 oh
carmine dawn
no way KT neck is better than the crit one
oak sky
yep
slow marsh
yeah more stats
gusty mirage
no way KT neck is better than the crit one
sims higher for me
oak sky
isnt it better on outlaw too?
gusty mirage
it's like .2%
bleak sky
dropping from 259 oh to 259 oh <:pepehands:757566347558387803>
message redacted
gusty mirage
but its still a gain
oak sky
actually the 246 kt neck was better for me in the past
@carmine dawn i have bis gear except 1 piece i can tell you all the loot
gusty mirage
<@!415667158903816194> i have bis gear except 1 piece i can tell you all the loo...
still did less damage than I did on the nine
unlucky
oak sky
slow marsh
oak sky
you mean last night?
viscid spear
Okay. I've decided
slow marsh
you're coming to horde?
oak sky
ok man 100 dps
hollow river
????
gusty mirage
ok man 100 dps
where's your savior offhand now?
slow marsh
gusty mirage
boomie went kyrian, forgot to equip the leggo
so my nine kill last night was tainted for like 12 dps
viscid spear
gusty mirage
unlucky
viscid spear
Leaning towards Mal'ganis
viscid spear
Yeah, hoping Makeit can recommend a good one
oak sky
@gusty mirage good job youre better than me 👍
spice spire
Yeah, hoping Makeit can recommend a good one
There’s a few. For now I wouldn’t realm xfer anywhere until we home you
gusty mirage
<@!192059095279337473> good job youre better than me 👍
it's because I feint more
gusty mirage
true
viscid spear
There’s a few. For now I wouldn’t realm xfer anywhere until we home you <:Prayge...
Of course, I only mean I've decided to xfer
oak sky
lol i got 60%
spice spire
viscid spear
oak sky
i think i can optimize my nine opener more
thoughts @gusty mirage
i need to beat you now
hollow river
Opener shmopener
real solar
@gusty mirage come back to zj
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> come back to zj
I was never good enough for GID, it's too late I've found a new home 
gusty mirage
thoughts <@!192059095279337473>
hit me with the logs brotha
real solar
i just miss seeing in sinfall
i still log in every day until this tier over
and raid whenever i feel like it or have time
oak sky
hit me with the logs brotha
ok i think i got it
i think theres an even better opener than yours
😈
wait for next week
gusty mirage
i think theres an even better opener than yours
damn bro you're exposing my secret tech
stop it
hollow river
bleak sky
bruh weeklies
oak sky
gusty mirage
still wouldn't have mattered
no chance I beat the 56 people in front of me with externals
oak sky
thats what you think
gusty mirage
yeah for sure bro
I had a chance to beat Mr. Focus Magic himself, Sheeq
that ONE vanish cost me 2k dps
oak sky
just need to get lucky
arctic walrus
He learned it from me
balmy condor
Stop being so hard on yourself wtheck
wow almost like we've been telling him that for like 2 years now
arctic walrus
@oak sky double bleed before cd on 1
oak sky
<@!240229644349997057> double bleed before cd on 1
yeah
arctic walrus
Let kicks go off on add for the health rejuice
oak sky
didnt know thats a thing
arctic walrus
Maintain your dauntless target even if rl says attack the higher one
oak sky
im playing theotar
slow marsh
imagine playing nadjia
arctic walrus
Oh okay then don’t parse
oak sky
arctic walrus
Go afk 1h
oak sky
wtf
arctic walrus
And I still outparse you without externals
arctic walrus
tea THIS 
real solar
oak sky
arctic walrus
What was your name again
gusty mirage
What was your name again
idk he lost it when he got dunked on
gusty mirage
wow almost like we've been telling him that for like 2 years now
okay wow you don't have to expose me for having poor self esteem
oak sky
im joining the dark side
gusty mirage
Agreon, the Dunked On?
spice spire
Bro
gusty mirage
that's a real popato title @oak sky
spice spire
Dude got em with the healing parses
arctic walrus
To see your logs bro 
gusty mirage
To see your logs bro <:nyaWork:661665921097531392>
You should log review him, see if he's feinting enough on cd
hollow river
How impactful are fighter timers for parsing
arctic walrus
If you don’t grey parse healing why are you even playing the game
hollow river
Pretty impactful ye?
gusty mirage
can be yea
oak sky
losing casts is bad
finishing a cast is good
my fight timers are variable and hard to play around
hollow river
Been gaming my ass off man but our timers are terrible
arctic walrus
4:02 guardian kills 
gusty mirage
you want the spicy 4:22 one that I got
spice spire
The 4:22 is a juicer
gusty mirage
yeah that's unfortunate
spice spire
That’s pretty ugly
hollow river
Yeah
spice spire
The 4:02 is like
hollow river
Like I know I don’t make that many mistakes
spice spire
Top 10 unfortunate things
oak sky
4:02 it doesnt even come up
hollow river
But my parses are so shit
arctic walrus
Are you in a bad guild
alpine latch
But my parses are so shit
That's a vibe man ... Mine are pretty shit too
arctic walrus
Idk why I’m asking you have a 530 guardian
hollow river
Hi Vel 👋
alpine latch
I'm in a bad guild
But I'm working on that
My parses aren't awful, I just only have 2/10M
arctic walrus
Yeah so assa has very unforgiving timer synergy. Too short fucked. Too long fucked. Other classes can shine on longer kills this one don’t
alpine latch
93.9% perf average
hollow river
Yeah
alpine latch
on heroic
hollow river
I’ve learned that lately
alpine latch
Best I can do for Guardian is a 3:32 heroic kill 😦
viscid spear
Any preferred races for Sin?
balmy condor
the one you think looks pretty
hollow river
B elf or orc
bleak sky
belf bis because cute
hollow river
🙂
balmy condor
spice spire
Belf master race 
oak sky
male belf because im strong irl 
balmy condor
But I can’t make a whispyr emote rogue
one of my more artistic (with an R) was looking into making a vtuber of my character is gonna be terrible 
balmy condor
What race are you, cutiebro?
I play belf
viscid spear
Well I was BElf when I made it, so looks like I'll be going back
gusty mirage
one of my more artistic (with an R) was looking into making a vtuber of my chara...
Sign me up, take my money, slap me on the ass and call me Phillis
drifting cloud
whispyr vtuber soon?
viscid spear
I don't watch vtubers (not since Best Friends Play) but I'd make an exception
viscid spear
male belff
Fem BElf. Never liked playing male
alpine latch
I need to figure out a tank alt that my ape brain can play
gusty mirage
I need to figure out a tank alt that my ape brain can play
Sounds like vdh
bleak sky
spirit bomb brrrr
alpine latch
My healer told me if I go DH she won't run keys with me
Because she hates healing them
lol
I'm probably going Guardian Druid
Hey man, they are solid in keys
bleak sky
yeah but orange class bad
alpine latch
m'eh, they are budget rogues
I'd have to learn to accept that
I'm a budget rogue myself
dense herald
So when you open on two/three targs with lust, do you actually get up early ruptures on them? Or do you just pump the ST rotation until that first shiv window is done then get the ruptures up
slow marsh
ST until after shiv
dense herald
Easy ta
viscid spear
Yea bro?
Close your eyes bro
There's a 24hr period after you xfer where you can't do instances, right?
glass tulip
idk but I need to know as well, catch me on Tichondrius tomorrow 👀
bleak sky
There's a 24hr period after you xfer where you can't do instances, right? <:logs...
that's just your mythic lockout I think
bleak sky
idk but I need to know as well, catch me on Tichondrius tomorrow 👀
but what about the sin m+ ladder on a52
viscid spear
Maybe it was legacy instances
bleak sky
viscid spear
Sadger
viscid spear
Idk if I'm ready to move to Mal'ganis yet; maybe tomorrow
bleak sky
just do it
viscid spear
just do it
balmy condor
oak sky
idk but I need to know as well, catch me on Tichondrius tomorrow 👀
noooo ur gonna take my spot on the m+ leaderboard
maiden jackal
anyone know if i can clean puddles on platform 3 during 4 soak mythic sylv and cloak soak the edge soak dropping the puddles on edge in the process
hollow river
Sounds like a bad idea
You can be too close to other soakers
Unless they’re all immune and no displacements
maiden jackal
its a just incase having alot of issues where there are puddles on top of the 4 soak - bad dispels tank dies etc
hollow river
That’s more of a strat to just try out if you and your guild think they need it or that it might work out
Oh
You can immune soak without picking up puddles at all friend
oak sky
4th soak everyone should be an immune so they can walk in the puddles and drop them again or never get them
maiden jackal
i know thats why i was spitballing this idea we had a 4 soak in puddles and i cloak ran to it and didnt pick up puddles
hollow river
The entire platform should be clear for soak set 1 and 2. You should be soaking with cloak on set 3
Yeah
maiden jackal
and we have 3 rogues lol
hollow river
The only bad overlap with puddles is set 3
Only immunity classes should be soaking the 3rd set tbh
Hunter mage rogue etc
atomic saddle
Is there a limit with critical strike to avoid DR currently or do you stack it as much as you can?
bleak sky
play whatever raidbots tell you to play
atomic saddle
I just ask to plan ahead and increase my knowledge
oak sky
theres a dr but crit is so highly valued we go past it this patch
atomic saddle
alright thx
glass tulip
how high do you guys go? I have been trying to hover 47%
think I can get to about 54 if I really tried
oak sky
as high as the sim says
glass tulip
okay but I meant what is the actual number that you run in your raid :) I know it doesnt matter I was just curious
umbral tulip
Theotar is only worth if u get crit tea though right?
oak sky
also haste usually
umbral tulip
That’s what my sim told me at least
gusty mirage
Theotar is only worth if u get crit tea though right?
Crit > Haste > Vers > Agi in terms of what's moar deeps
but that's because the secondary ones give you an actual % ignoring DRs
oak sky
its like crit>haste>nadjia>=vers>>>agi
thorny pond
Sup fam
arctic walrus
its like crit>haste>nadjia>=vers>>>agi
Nadjia nadjia nadjia 
oak sky
wtf
balmy condor
Do you know what’s better than 3% stats 3% dmg
Too bad the rest of the soulbind sucks
outer pier
As a newly levelled rouge who don't wanna be a pirate or stab people in the back, are there any good resources for a starting out Assassination Rouge, mainly aiming to do m+ (outside of the icyveins/wowhead posts)
slow marsh
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
arctic walrus
Too bad the rest of the soulbind sucks
Okay mastery umbrella boy
spice spire
survival hunter won't be good in 9.2, how's that for criticism, pal?
balmy condor
I do have to eventually go through the m+ pages
arctic walrus
balmy condor
Wowhead m+ guides are kinda notoriously bad
slow marsh
survival hunter won't be good in 9.2, how's that for criticism, pal?
Fine by me
balmy condor
Not sure how to fix that yet
balmy condor
ask zerocool to help
I would rather not
slow marsh
Get a new guide writer? 
weak plover
Can you even make an a good M+ guide for ass. You just gotta get reps in IMO
gusty mirage
yes
bleak spoke
Okay mastery umbrella boy
U can stand under my umbrella ella ella ay ay ay
gusty mirage
ryfie's was great in 9.0
balmy condor
You can easily make good m+ guides
gusty mirage
there was also the goated musclebrah guide of bfa.
balmy condor
The questions is how many pages do you want to make it
spice spire
slow marsh
2 and a half
bleak spoke
Wowhead m+ guides are kinda notoriously bad
Wat
slow marsh
Final offer
weak plover
I want a full encyclopedia.
balmy condor
You could in theory go in and do dungeon by dungeon guides
But god damn that’s so much effort
slow marsh
I mean talents stay the same. Leggo is mostly the same and even if you change the gameplay is the same
weak plover
Honestly the guide as is is ok. You just gotta play and feel it out anyways
slow marsh
Most of what you'd put in an m+ guide would likely be defensive usage
spice spire
!bos
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz
slow marsh
Exactly
gusty mirage
thanks oxii-illidan!
eat my ass
bleak spoke
slow marsh
Oxii big poggers daddy
spice spire
on my way
bleak spoke
One day Seli will write a comprehensive guide, it’ll definitely happen 
viscid spear
eat my ass
Is that an offer?
slow marsh
One day Seli will write a comprehensive guide, it’ll definitely happen <:Copium:...
He'd have to start playing sin m+ again first
bleak spoke
Tbh, general rogue stuff is just as useful imo
Like every time I tune into him doing a key I’ve learned something specific to the key, been that way for years 
gusty mirage
One day Seli will write a comprehensive guide, it’ll definitely happen <:Copium:...
seli's like pikaboo, the stream is the guide
slow marsh
Tru he talks his way through most of what he's doing
weak plover
Just cloak 4head
bleak spoke
Idk to me helpful things in keys are like many many many many things combined that you have to remember
And if you remember most of them it goes pretty decent
limber lion
Just press buttons and do deeps ez
viscid spear
@spice spire wondering when would be a good time to move
weak plover
Using subterfuge for interrupts is nice. Not sure if that's spelled out in the guides.
spice spire
<@!226508540746006528> wondering when would be a good time to move <:ApuStruggli...
whenever homie
viscid spear
Wondering if I should make a quick character and go check things out
spice spire
yes
arctic walrus
U can stand under my umbrella ella ella ay ay ay
you do remind me of rihanna cuz chains and whips excite me 😛
viscid spear
WeakAuras isn't updating in CurseForge
"i still havent figured out if im even gunna waste time on this patch tbh.. they still refuse to listen to their playerbase. Making the same mistakes.. again... and again... and again... and again"
I made a Vulp Warrior
That quote is from a guildie, lot of people like that here
balmy condor
Negativity :(
viscid spear
Exactly, honestly I've been more aware of it lately
Around my guild, I mean
Right now he's going on about the time it'll take to get the leggo belt
"maximum 28 days? im pretty sure thats around the min.. because flying takes around 22 days and thats if you play every day and log in the exact time your research completes to unlock the next one
arbitary timegating woot
they cut an entire content patch for this too.. so I wonder how long .2 is going to last before prepatch of the next expansion.. and for the love of god i hope they are doing something to listen to anybody of their playerbase.. because the worse their next expansion is.. the worse the game will be. I wonder if depleting numbers will effect how they are making the next expansion.. also ion seriously needs to be fired if 9.2 is a dud"
oak sky
they did the math for 28 days being the maximum and how could they figure out the minimum when they dont know everything that gives you rep yet
oak sky
viscid spear
Like @balmy condor said, there's so much negativity in my guild, I wish I had seen it sooner
oak sky
viscid spear
oak sky
tbh like everyone believes the 9.3 cut thing
i kinda dont care
we get what we get either way
balmy condor
They rewrote the story halfway through the expansions to fit with having less raids
Only way
oak sky
did they do that
viscid spear
I want to believe they'll redeem themselves with the next expac
oak sky
i only loosely know the story
balmy condor
No of course they didn’t
They have the story lined up like 4 patches in advance
So Art teams can do their thing
viscid spear
Jeez, looking at the AH here on Mal'ganis and shit's actually reasonable
balmy condor
Probably not working on 10.3
But they know where the story is going for 10.3 I assume
balmy condor
Zones for 10.0 are pretty ready I think
viscid spear
Why don't I have a 2h heirloom?
nvm
For some reason setting it to Fury doesn't show 2h? 
oak sky
i mean 10.0 is assumed to be less than a year away right
balmy condor
But not full design
oak sky
theyre probably somewhere
balmy condor
I would be surprised if they had full dungeons fleshed out
It’s coming up on their radar in the next couple months
But like if they’re announcing 10.0 in let’s say august, no shot they don’t have their promotional info ready to go
viscid spear
@spice spire are there a lot of sellers in trade chat normally?
balmy condor
<@!226508540746006528> are there a lot of sellers in trade chat normally?
Inescapable
spice spire
yes
balmy condor
Every big server’s trade chat is just houkan 24/7
balmy condor
download badboy and you're good
But then I can’t make money boosting heroic 
bleak sky
wut
balmy condor
Houkan Cancelled like 3 runs last week cause no buyers
balmy condor
bleak sky
or partner with some comm
balmy condor
Homie you’ve seen my guild
bleak sky
I did
balmy condor
We boost ourselves
bleak sky
and it's better than the one my dh is on
and they somehow get sales
so you can do it EZ
timber gale
How do sales work do y’all start giving them money back every wipe
‘Ah shit ah fuck I’m sorry we’re uh. we normally play better I promise. shit’
balmy condor
Depends on how many wipes
One or two are usually fine
But if the run takes forever or it’s a clown show
Then buyers can get reimbursed, usually because the sellers get their cut taken for being idiots
timber gale
My guild are all clowns so I feel like
The first sign anything went wrong
I’d be like do you want some door dash. maybe a letter. what’s your PayPal. I’m sorry you have to deal with this
thorny pond
004000097
timber gale
420691337
thorny pond
Ty
balmy condor
First boost I did in houkan I forgot the accent on my characters name
thorny pond
Scar, you gotta be rich
thorny pond
Houkan has no customer support let alone booster support
balmy condor
I mean
They do
But if the money is gone they aren’t gonna just send it to me again
thorny pond
Don’t they have the bot that pulls your info?
But you still gotta type your name in?
balmy condor
Yeh but I setup my name wrong
It goes by discord name
So if you’re Whispyr-Area52, versus Whíspyr-Area52
thorny pond
Yea that’s dicey. SLB auto adjusted your name iirc
balmy condor
Your money doesn’t show up
oak sky
Every day I thank god that I'm not Agreon-BleedingHollow
balmy condor
Every day I cry into my pillow because I’m not oxi-area52
Or illidan
Or whatever server he’s on now
thorny pond
Think I got kicked out of a SLB boost key when my name i emote applied with didn’t match my bot confirmed too
oak sky
Oxii-illidan
balmy condor
Oh is it back to 2 i’s
oak sky
I think thats what was available
thorny pond
Oxihana would be a good rogue name
balmy condor
@gusty mirage bruh you change names more than I change underwear
arctic walrus
I be holding 2 L's 😤
earnest hare
@gusty mirage why arent u in our guild alt run shitter?
oak sky
Front back inside out front and back?
viscid spear
So they just mailed like 325k to the wrong whispyr
balmy condor
I do too
fallow otter
viscid spear
Switch holes
Sounds like my Saturday night
balmy condor
Wait a minute