assassination

[sharp zodiac]

Am on mobile can’t wait for wowhead

[limber lion]

lul

[strange python]

that sounds bad

0 dmg for 0 seconds

[rotund oak]

[strange python]

what a dumb trinket

[cerulean nest]

so TLDR how does the 100% to 40% nerf feel? still good or really bad now?

[slow marsh]

still good

[limber lion]

Still great

[slow marsh]

for sure

[sharp zodiac]

Double leggo behind reputation grind

[cerulean nest]

nice

[sharp zodiac]

Revered

[rotund oak]

wouldnt be surprised if it was exalted

they have to gate it u know

[bronze pike]

why rep grind tho

i hope it changes

[balmy condor]

new zone

[sharp zodiac]

Could be fake. a guildy sent me this pic

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

if the game was fun from the start how would they make players keep playing

blizz strats

[oak sky]

fun -> more fun

🤔

too smart

[reef axle]

Those stats better be interchangeable

Haste mastery ew

[hollow river]

bro they said they weren't going to lock player power behind rep grind

they literally said it

[oak sky]

i mean

[slow marsh]

it is revered

it's on ptr rn

[oak sky]

if its just a recraft

[hollow river]

and conduits

[oak sky]

we get the power base

[hollow river]

conduits are behind exalted

[limber lion]

You can literally make it on any legendary item

[oak sky]

any slot

[limber lion]

Poggerinos

[oak sky]

big pog

[slow marsh]

wut

[hollow river]

if conduits are locked behind exalted

[slow marsh]

good bye rings?

[hollow river]

sockets will be once again

[violet jackal]

that's fine

[oak sky]

but how do we unlock the ability to use our double leggo

where is it in campaign

[slow marsh]

it's just revered

for the rep

[hollow river]

not fine when they literally stated otherwise

[oak sky]

i thought that was for the memory not just the belt

[hollow river]

[sharp zodiac]

Wait wait the covenant leggo isn’t just belt anymore it’s anything?

Or that’s any legendary

[oak sky]

won't we just get the belt at some point in the campaign then recraft when we get the rep

[strange python]

it's a meta achievement, you need cosmic glad, cosmic hero, ce and pet battle champion of the shadowlands to unlock legendary

[hollow river]

it was always hinted it could be any slot

[sharp zodiac]

[limber lion]

It has never been just a belt.

[balmy condor]

yo, wrong cov

[limber lion]

People just understood Blizzard's words incorrectly

[oak sky]

yeah their wording was just unclear

exactly

[fleet anchor]

NF dream is back!

[oak sky]

[strange python]

so if you can put it on any slot what slot will we put it on

[grave trail]

no troll should i level nf?

[limber lion]

testerman does not discriminate

[bleak sky]

nerfs

[limber lion]

Nah, you're good

[grave trail]

sadge

[limber lion]

You're chilling as Venth

[limber lion]

A slot with the most stats we can get out of, excluding items that drop as higher ilvl from the last mythic raid bosses.

If the bosses drop higher level shoulders/chest, we'd craft it on a helm

[oak sky]

just like it always has been 🙏

[fleet anchor]

Well

Consider set bonus items too

[limber lion]

Yes...

There's multiple tier pieces

So you can ditch one

[fleet anchor]

Might not have a choice as to what drops first

[strange python]

chest/head give more than shoulder right?

[limber lion]

That's true

[bleak sky]

fae still competitive

[strange python]

chest+head+leg is highest

not shoulder for some reason

[fleet anchor]

Necro…….

[strange python]

which doesn't make a ton of sense but

[limber lion]

But in an ideal situation you'd slap it on the stat-heavy item that doesn't drop from the mythic bosses

Good thing you can just destroy legendaries and remake them though

Might cost a few pennies, but not too bad

[strange python]

if a spec is rly unlucky then set will be on chest+leg+head I guess

[solid socket]

And it seems like there is no high Ilevel Agility Dagger...

[slow marsh]

we probs go dusk chest obed feet ?

[strange python]

rly? 🤨

[balmy condor]

And then not run tier bonus

Poggers

Sounds like a plan

[slow marsh]

feet aren't tier

pog master

[balmy condor]

And chest isn’t either?

[oak sky]

i mean

[slow marsh]

there's 5 slots

[solid socket]

Dont see one Rygelon drops Int Dagger Agi Sword and Gun, Jailor Drops 2h Mace and Polearm

[oak sky]

what does malganis drop

[sharp zodiac]

All this is too much to handle you’re getting me too hyped

[strange python]

3 bosses drop end loot tho

I think

[oak sky]

oh yeah

[strange python]

the last 3 all drop 259 equivalent

whatever the new ilvl is

[bleak sky]

set pieces are chest head shoulders legs hands

[solid socket]

Lords of Dread only Drops Agi 1h Mace atm

[bleak sky]

so cant craft dusk chest I guess?

[slow marsh]

ye we can

[limber lion]

Sure you can

[bleak sky]

oh

loot table is out?

[limber lion]

No

[strange python]

maybe no 259 dagger is the way to nerf rogue without nerfing rogue

[oak sky]

oh the new conduit thing is cool

[strange python]

smart blizz

[limber lion]

You can craft one legendary as a chest/leg/helm, unless all 3 are dropped from the last few bosses - which is unlikely

[slow marsh]

jailer drops a neck with 3 stats kekw

[oak sky]

heart of azeroth

[slow marsh]

pretty much

[limber lion]

More like the Focusing Iris

Azerite Beam

[slow marsh]

some of these weapons are sus

dagger with 3.0 speed

sword with .5 speed

[oak sky]

im still suspecting malganis drops that dagger set bonus but obviously it could be nothing

[limber lion]

CoS ring through the roof

[oak sky]

nice

are all leggos all slots?

or just unity

[limber lion]

No, just Unity.

[slow marsh]

just unity

[oak sky]

ok

[limber lion]

TO pants, Duskie boots

[grand ridge]

would weapon speed affect the cos ring tho

[oak sky]

yes

it adds damage to each auto

[grand ridge]

slow = more dmg, but a faster dagger is getting that +damage but doing it faster

[balmy condor]

Stop

[grand ridge]

so I would think the damage would be p much the same

[limber lion]

oki

[oak sky]

the ring adds a flat amount of damage

[grand ridge]

ohh

[limber lion]

It's not a % lol

[slow marsh]

we could be like the OG mut builds with 3.0 slow daggers for harder muts

[fleet anchor]

lol

[grand ridge]

or getting a super fast offhand for deadly poison

[fleet anchor]

Weapon speed doesn’t really do much anymore

[slow marsh]

I mean outlaw getting a .5 speed off hand is kinda

[fleet anchor]

Everything was converted to %AP attacks ages ago

Only thing where weapon speed matters now is non RPPM white hit procs

Which are quite rare

[slow marsh]

and non-normalized procs right

like shadow tech

[fleet anchor]

Well that’s what I mean. That’s a non-RPPM white damage trigger proc

It’s one of the rare cases where it would matter since it’s not limited in any way

But for yellow damage weapons really don’t matter anymore

[slow marsh]

ye

[fleet anchor]

Everything was converted to be AP-based some time ago

[balmy condor]

Fae dead

[slow marsh]

they will fix sepsis stealth ability

[limber lion]

Make Sepsis proc exsang on the target

[strange python]

wait actually? lmao

no more fae now?

[limber lion]

Yes, you've been freed of the NF torment.

[strange python]

lets gooo

[limber lion]

Feel free to play Venthyr again

for the third patch

in a row

for the entire expansion

[strange python]

always have been

[balmy condor]

Rather venth for 3 patches than fae for even 1

[sharp zodiac]

Kindred affinity sims when so I can formulate my argument why I’m the best target for it

[gusty mirage]

Fae Free since 93 baybay

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

external_buffs.kindred_affinity=5/50/95/140/195/240/285

have fun

:(

[spice spire]

Wait

The legit tech

Me, the chump launching at 0

[limber lion]

Imagine using KA when you're already at crit cap with MA

[oak sky]

so true

[balmy condor]

You launch at 0 for every spec but sin is special

[spice spire]

Imagine not being venthyr

[sharp zodiac]

I’m just trying to get all the haste from playing NF

[balmy condor]

Bruh

[oak sky]

dont worry fire and demo will steal it from you

[sharp zodiac]

Not when you’re the one who decides where it goes

[limber lion]

Imagine being bound to a covenant by societal pressure

Be a gangster and play all covenants

[oak sky]

so called free thinkers following sims and playing optimally

[limber lion]

no discriminating

just love

[slow marsh]

Imagine playing Necro for so long that playing venthyr seems fun

[limber lion]

(except for kyrian, kyrian can die)

[thorny pond]

I play WoW socially

Gotta fit in not out

[balmy condor]

Kyrian unironically more fun than toxic onslaught

[oak sky]

kyrian isnt that bad

for gameplay

for damage

[balmy condor]

Fae actual bastardized covenant

Every patch and update to covenants

Just made fae more and more tragic

[gloomy knoll]

pretty much

[limber lion]

Don't think they've touched Sepsis once since 9.0 iirc

Sad boys all around

[gloomy knoll]

it was fun in nathria when covenant legendaries weren't a thing and all our other ones sucked for sub

[oak sky]

conduit

[balmy condor]

Cov lego? L
Soulbind nerfs? L
Soulbind update? L
Conduit? L

[gloomy knoll]

but like with new soulbinds + legendaries it just got worse and worse

[balmy condor]

Fae nothing but L

[gloomy knoll]

only good thing about it is soulshape lol

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Soulshape copium

Goes a long way

[dense herald]

That conduit change is nice, but all mine are 200 ilvl atm, anyone know if there’s a conduit catchup prior to the raid?

[gloomy knoll]

i miss my moose form

blink blink blink shadowstep shadowstep

[sharp zodiac]

Let’s be honest with ourselves. We’re all getting benched for Survival Hunters in 9.2 anyways

[spice spire]

Korthia unfortunately

[spice spire]

@slow marsh rising

[sharp zodiac]

Year of the spear

Didn’t Gingi beat JPC today on it

[slow marsh]

I stay 4 steps ahead

[dire spoke]

@restive raptor assa bis now

trust

[arctic walrus]

@limber lion what does fae lego do

[reef axle]

On the bright side with the nerf, looks like we won’t be pigeon holed into night fae now

[hollow river]

we were never going to be

oh shity

the tier set drops have been revealed pog

[oak sky]

not pog

[hollow river]

Hands: Lihuvim (Wing End Boss)
Pants: Halondrus (Wing End Boss)
Helm: Anduin (Boss 8 - Final Boss of Week 1)
Shoulders: Lords of Dread (Boss 9 - Unlocks Week 2)
Chest: Rygelon (Boss 10 - Unlocks Week 2)

why not pog

???

[oak sky]

unlocks week 2

unlocks week 2

[hollow river]

who cares

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

only effects rwf

[oak sky]

i want my tier

lole

[hollow river]

yeah me too

E

[hoary remnant]

Hello guys I played during progression sub and starting now sin again. I have a question why is my active time so low on slyvanas? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Q6VKxcHZY1XJD3Cd#fight=28&type=damage-done any help would be much appreciated.

Is it normal to have a low active time as assa?

[hollow river]

active time on sylv is gonna look lower no matter what

lots of down time and intermission time etc

look at guardian uptime or p3 up time on sylv

you should have nearly 100% active time

i'm usually around 98-99%

[limber lion]

damage

[hollow river]

check garrote and rupture up time, wasted combo points, melee damage, etcetcetc

[viscid spear]

Hotel? Trivago

[hoary remnant]

Is it normal to have low active time compared to sub on slyvanas?

I am little confused when I saw the log

[kindred rapids]

Hmm, just try harder to hit the boss next time

[viscid spear]

You know what encounter in SoD I like and will probably get flak for?
||Painsmith||

[kindred rapids]

Wdym painsmith is by far the best boss this tier

[sharp zodiac]

Great boss

[hollow river]

nope

[kindred rapids]

Almost everyone thinks this

[viscid spear]

Was in a HC clear last night and when we were working our way to him lots of the group were bemoaning it

[kindred rapids]

The mechanics don't even kill you on heroic

[subtle tundra]

its praised by mythic raiders atleast

[oak sky]

um have you guys seen first sigil trinket

are we gonna see moonkins run that

[sharp zodiac]

Which one

[arctic walrus]

That don’t sit right with me

[viscid spear]

The traps do if people don't place them right, lol

[oak sky]

the covenant ability reset trinket

[sharp zodiac]

If it’s the stats covenant one it’s getting nerfed

[hollow river]

i'm nowhere near bis and my vault gave me tokens

[bleak sky]

that's door of shadows

[hollow river]

[bleak sky]

not ravenous fury

[viscid spear]

Double Convoke?

[oak sky]

OH

ok

good

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

signature ability

[bleak sky]

what is this cursed kek

[sharp zodiac]

That’s the one the tooltip talked about Soulshape reset right

[oak sky]

is door?

[bleak sky]

ye

[oak sky]

yeah ig

ok

good

i was so nervous

[viscid spear]

Oh I see.

What does that mean for people running Leisurely Gait?

Does it give one stack or both?

details, people!

[bleak sky]

what's Leisurely Gait

[kindred rapids]

You probably forgot to poison knife sylvanas during P2

[viscid spear]

Theo trait that gives two stacks of Door

[hoary remnant]

U mean what now? Kek I am assa noob I played until we had mythic sly down only sub. So ty for any help

[bleak sky]

hm

[viscid spear]

Is the trinket able to be used on PTR?

[bleak sky]

they're trolling you

[viscid spear]

[hollow river]

You can keep 100% Alacrity up time on that boss also btw it’s not as much of an active time thing but it helps with dps a bit

[ruby birch]

@balmy condor double heroic eon shows as a loss for assa over 252 mh, is that correct?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[ruby birch]

does assa still want double mythic or would they want a stat oh?

[hollow river]

Yeah

Double mythic

[hoary remnant]

Ah yes that talent. We can keep it up like we do with the unholy bonus spamming any ability?

[hollow river]

No it has to be finishers

Typically 5 point finishers, but sometimes 4 work too

[ruby birch]

tyty

[hoary remnant]

Ok. Guardian uptime was 99.6 so fine

[hollow river]

You can just build up some combo points going into every intermission

And during p1 intermission you can either MFD Sylvanas or run around Poison Knifing her

[hoary remnant]

I am just so confused with the low uptime. Never had that 1😅

[hollow river]

Then when she goes to the middle right before phasing you use a finisher on her and build up 5 more cp

[hoary remnant]

Mfd Sims lower for me I took ds

[hollow river]

For Sylvanas?

We don’t do that

[hoary remnant]

Ok so mfd

[hollow river]

The only “Patchwerk” boss in this raid is Guardian

[hoary remnant]

Yeah

[hollow river]

So we only run Blindside/Deeper for Guardian

Are you Venthyr?

[hoary remnant]

Yes

[hollow river]

And what leggo

[hoary remnant]

Not ven leggo but the other cape one

[hollow river]

You should run a sim to see what wins

Sim EP/Vigor

[hoary remnant]

With the poison buff thing

[edgy orbit]

I see 2set got nerfed to 40%

[hollow river]

And sim EP/MFD

Yeah I use Dashing but also run MFD because it sims higher than EP/Vigor

And for Guardian I run BS/DS

[hoary remnant]

What would you take as assa for mythic p3?

More a patchwerk build?

[hollow river]

Wdym

No

[viscid spear]

I second this, was running EP/MfD with Dashing and it just felt so nice

[hollow river]

I’d run ep/mfd or vigor for the whole fight

Blindside has an execute enhancement to it

[oak sky]

bs is only significantly better with execute

[hollow river]

Sylvanas does not execute

[hoary remnant]

True

So ep becomes better on slyvanas p3

[hollow river]

Yeah

But either way I don’t think you’d run blindside

[balmy condor]

Playing blindside on sylv is giga trolling

[hollow river]

On a fight with any adds

[hoary remnant]

But mfd only seems good in p1 for the adds that die anyways to fast and p2

[hollow river]

Mfd helps build flag stacks

[hoary remnant]

As said noob on assa just played sub

[balmy condor]

I’m aware

I’m just mentioning that it’s really fucking bad

[hoary remnant]

True good point what stacks are we aiming for? As sub was 25

[hoary remnant]

Yes noted pls keep it coming

[hollow river]

You should’ve been able to hit 30 stacks reliably as sub

Just get as many as you can

There are openers in the guides etc

[balmy condor]

Yeh no aiming for stacks

Just Play it normally

And it’s fine

[hoary remnant]

Yes bare minimum is 25 mostly 29 with wm proc easy 30

Ok so assa as whispyr says in his guide just pump and dump on cd nearly everything

[hollow river]

Shiv on CD unless Vendetta is in 12 seconds, iirc

[balmy condor]

Yeh you can hold shiv for vend

[hoary remnant]

Yeah and shiv is any pooling to be done?

[balmy condor]

Nop

[hollow river]

But in p1 you can hold 2nd flag

For 2nd vendetta

[subtle kiln]

TBoCD

[balmy condor]

Pooling vs not pooling at all is like 0.9% dps or something

[subtle kiln]

some things never change.

[hollow river]

I was assigned to CD boss burns

[hoary remnant]

Ok still wanna get it right

[hollow river]

So I’d use flag+vendetta on both boss burns as well

[hoary remnant]

Yeah me2 just nuke slyvanas

[hollow river]

In p3 you should be able to desync 2(?) flag casts and then sync them back to Vendetta cast for lust

I think you can squeeze 4 flags in p3

[hoary remnant]

Yeah bl is insane because of haste for assa

As sub I Never really cared

[hollow river]

I mean it’s insane for every class in the game lol

Everyone tries to sync CDs with lust

[hoary remnant]

Ofc but isn't that great for sub tbh

[balmy condor]

As long as you pool on envenom and don’t overwrite the buff constantly you’re chillin :D

[hollow river]

Yes it is

[balmy condor]

Easy gaming

Real comfy tbh

[hollow river]

Haste is good for sub ST

[hoary remnant]

Oh that env buff yes got that tracked

[balmy condor]

Not 30% of it

[hollow river]

???

[balmy condor]

???

[hollow river]

How does the % matter

[balmy condor]

Aight

MA gives 50% crit yeh?

If you have 0% crit

Really good right

If you have 40% crit

Less impressive ain’t it

[hollow river]

How does this matter

[balmy condor]

Because sub doesn’t gain much after like 15% haste

[drifting cloud]

haste drops alot for sub in value after like 15%

[hollow river]

Enlighten me senpai

[balmy condor]

You get like 8% haste or whatever

Because 0 is dogshit

And haste is a good stat

But if you get a bit of it

Now haste is trash

[drifting cloud]

is there a non feelycraft reason for it btw whispyr, something with energy starvation in dance or what?

[balmy condor]

Yeah energy starvation and shadow tech procs

[arctic walrus]

We’ll yes I don’t see why you would be 6% over cap

[drifting cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/799447032959729715.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[balmy condor]

With shadow tech buff haste gained a lot of value tbh

Which is the only reason why we’re so “high” on haste on sub atm

[hoary remnant]

Does assa have a crit cap?

[hollow river]

Fucking stat caps

[balmy condor]

No he’s trolling with an old meme from ny’alotha

[hollow river]

Jesus Christ

[drifting cloud]

false, crit cap is 100%

[hoary remnant]

Oh OK yeah sorry again noob here

[subtle kiln]

36%

[balmy condor]

Crit caps aren’t a thing

[hollow river]

So you wouldn’t sync your CDs to lust as sub

[balmy condor]

Even with the DR’s that they added

[balmy condor]

No

[hoary remnant]

I know as sub after 41% crit has diminished return

[balmy condor]

You don’t even do that on sin

[hollow river]

What on earth

[drifting cloud]

he means if it would lose you cast

I assume

[balmy condor]

Well yeh

[hollow river]

Well that’s a no brainer

[drifting cloud]

hey, nothing here is a no brainer!

[hollow river]

Not stupid

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-family-gif-22861885

[hollow river]

If your RL is tailoring CD usage correctly and putting lust where it should be

[balmy condor]

Yeah usually lust just lines up already

[hollow river]

9/10 fights you will CD in lust

[balmy condor]

But holding 30 sec for lust

Especially next patch for dusk

[hollow river]

If you don’t lose a cast

[balmy condor]

Holy that’ll be terrible

[hollow river]

There’s no issue

[drifting cloud]

I hold shiv for 22s so it lines up with vendetta

[hollow river]

I’ve been talking about Sylvanas specifically man

[balmy condor]

Sylv lines up though

[hoary remnant]

Lol that can't be right I know thar now

[hollow river]

Yea

I know that

They are wondering about sin on Sylvanas

[drifting cloud]

unless youre that poor guy that had to vendetta colossus

[hollow river]

But even as sub you’d blades in lust in p3

Unles I’m losing my fucking mind

[hoary remnant]

Yeah I tested now this Id sin on some hc fights wanna test now the coming on mythic reclear

[subtle kiln]

you play rogue. distinct possibility

[hoary remnant]

Depends on cd lineup

[balmy condor]

I would lose a cast

[hollow river]

How

[oak sky]

you play the conduit

[balmy condor]

Cause stiletto brings it to 1:30?

[hollow river]

So if it’s the same cd as flag

[drifting cloud]

but still, how, does the boss live after lust and you get in the extra blades then or what

[hollow river]

You should still have it for lust

[balmy condor]

It comes up last platform

It would come up 1 symbols later if I sent it with lust

Which would be after the kill

[hollow river]

What timing do you lust

[drifting cloud]

probably after 1st veil

[balmy condor]

Ye

[drifting cloud]

and he blades insta when platform starts when the arrows are still happening I guess, and that veil is like 30s? from memory after you get there

[balmy condor]

I mean lust lasts a while I guess I do fit it in

[drifting cloud]

so when lust is over this blades come back up almost insta

[balmy condor]

But it’s not something I’m actually thinking about

[drifting cloud]

just not sure how long after lust boss is still alive, just depends on the guild

[balmy condor]

If blades up and me cast symbol, me cast blades

No lust logic in my brain for that

[ashen totem]

90% of sub gameplay right there

[balmy condor]

Yoppa for example doesn’t even hold blades for symbols even though sims do

He just launches it

And the symbols catches the tail end of the blades

Like he’s just full on cooldown pretty much with no regard for anything

[soft shale]

you kinda do that as kyrian

[drifting cloud]

yeah they last 20s, its pretty hard to fuck them up royally

[soft shale]

otherwise you kinda oof

and yea symbols is 10 secs

[drifting cloud]

youd have to use insta when symbols end lmao

[soft shale]

even then next tier is gamba town

assa is kind of interesting as nf clipping sepsis on mobs if possible

but venthyr seems more stable

[hushed dirge]

Got a third Edge of Night drop yesterday. Don't worry I rolled it off and an under geared rogue got it.

[viscid spear]

Did you follow me?

[hushed dirge]

LOL

[viscid spear]

[hushed dirge]

I didn't even know you were in this discord server.

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

you blacked the names out, apollo is in here occasionally

[hushed dirge]

[spice spire]

I'd have known

[viscid spear]

[hushed dirge]

Did get an edge of night from vault?

[viscid spear]

Naw, Nine ring w/ socket

[hollow river]

Same

[hushed dirge]

I am debating on the Painsmith trinket with speed bonus for memes, or another dagger but this time with Crit Mastery.

[hollow river]

It’s because @spice spire wouldn’t bless my vault

[spice spire]

i'm sorry papi

[hushed dirge]

I also got that same ring in vault but I already have it.

[drifting cloud]

23 roll winning 🙏

[spice spire]

wait did you kill last week mr. notrickz?

[hollow river]

No 😦

[spice spire]

o

[viscid spear]

I've been sitting in queues for M+, getting declined left and right

[hollow river]

We’re back to 3 days this week

So probably next week I kill

[spice spire]

good

[hollow river]

[drifting cloud]

do you have kt skip?

just gotta go for sylvn first

[hollow river]

We have a couple we can use

But only killed him once

[hushed dirge]

Because I already have the 239 Trinket

[hollow river]

Just have some raiders with alts in other guilds that have skip and know some people willing to give if we need

[hushed dirge]

I am thinking third 252 dagger.

[viscid spear]

I'm thinking Lincoln

[hollow river]

I’m thinking Arby’s

[balmy condor]

we have the meats

[viscid spear]

Well not really, switched to Mage to do some stuff while I wait for dinner to arrive, then back to the grind trying to do M+

[viscid spear]

Well now I have the runs

[balmy condor]

I thought your name was "ashkitten, the crazy fat person"

and almost died laughing

[viscid spear]

Naw, it's Assshitten, the Crazy Scat Person

Keeps autocorrecting

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

WOAH NOW

[balmy condor]

I'm the scat man

skbiibiaiiallililailblbalballa

[viscid spear]

Unpossible

[oak sky]

skbibbidybibbidydoobidydoo bap shshhhhhk scaddity be wop da ping sh wah

[balmy condor]

so true

[oak sky]

no problem bestie

[balmy condor]

boyboss boyband baslight king

[slow marsh]

wtf

[oak sky]

baslight

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

I'm just being gender neutral

sorry

bender neutral

[oak sky]

zeboss zeband zelight zir

[balmy condor]

ty I feel welcomes

[viscid spear]

I feel uncomfortable

[balmy condor]

personal problem

[viscid spear]

[kind talon]

[spice spire]

I see there's been a corrected avatar

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

[ripe saddle]

look how they massacred our set boys

[viscid spear]

[oak sky]

ive rolled vers tea 3 times in a row

[drifting cloud]

atleast its not agi

[viscid spear]

Only 3?

[oak sky]

bruh i probably have to swap nadjia

for raid

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

you guys still playing venth?

[oak sky]

rip parse bozo

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

i could always play sub today

[viscid spear]

[ebon notch]

ty for reminding me

[oak sky]

if i swap sub conduits do i lose my tea

[viscid spear]

Yeah

[oak sky]

will not be playing sub today this is my first week of bis gear cant troll that away

[viscid spear]

Also if you use the Tea while in a Soulbind other than Theo it'll still cause the CD

[oak sky]

ye i knew that one

[summer cipher]

Do you have to pool your energy in your rotation?

[oak sky]

We pool to max-30 energy before we envenom

But its not a massive gain

[summer cipher]

I just feel so energy starve...

[oak sky]

Yeah the spec just plays a little slow it is how it is

[viscid spear]

Did a PF run with an OCE leader

Painful stuff, still +2'd that 15

[bleak sky]

Ezclap

[viscid spear]

The input lag was unreal

Guess NW and MoTS are super unpopular on Fort weeks?

[slow needle]

NW is never unpopular. The weapons time it for you.

[viscid spear]

Those are the two I need the most for more Mythic score and they're just so uncommon in LFG tonight for me

[slow needle]

Are you NA or super late EU?

[viscid spear]

NA, EST

[slow needle]

Ah nvm. I had trouble getting into keys earlier because people were sacking off the last night of necrotic.

[viscid spear]

I squeezed out a HC Sylvie kill last night

[slow needle]

Thought it could be similar and you were looking ahead to next week and worried about not getting it done tonight.

[viscid spear]

I could still use some Tyr runs tho

[slow needle]

Could always run other keys and reroll yours at the end of each run. See if NW or MoTS appear in your inventory or LFG first.

[frosty halo]

What is the opener with venthyr for s 1v1 guys

Do I use cheap shot or mutilate

[bleak sky]

#pvp

[versed mica]

I cannot believe that blizzard nerfed ruge
Unbelievable

[slow marsh]

for sure i can't believe they would do such a thing as to nerf an extremely op tier bonus so that it's still really strong

unbelievable

[viscid spear]

unpossible

[lost portal]

wcaccaann

[bronze pike]

Yo tho night fae ain’t to far from ven

Or am I reading these charts wrong?

[bleak sky]

you're reading right

[keen mantle]

Seeing fire mage doing 17k on 3 minutes fight and rogue doing 11k and getting nerfed

is out of this world

idk

im talking about dummies

[strange python]

Vendetta and flag being very slightly desynced feels frustrating

[keen mantle]

true that

and its so hard to say you hold vendetta to line

because you have cdr

you mostly wanna do it on cd

[strange python]

Having the hasted ruptures ticking down as flag comes up too

Super weird

Either not maxing flag because you refresh garrote, or delaying flag to reapply garrote

[hollow river]

where you getting this from

[strange python]

Getting like 24 stacks on flag bleh

Def doing something wrong

[keen mantle]

@hollow river watching firedup atm testing dummies with mage

no oils and shit hes doing casually 15-17k on dummies

as fire mage

[hollow river]

lmfao

[thorny pond]

Worlds best fire mage

[viscid spear]

World's best fire Mage is Satan, tyvm

[junior rampart]

Looks like Venth and Fae are close as per sim in pin.

[balmy condor]

correct

which means venth gaming

[oak sky]

[clever kindle]

lol he was in my guild back in legion and friends with my old gm long before that, guy was always a blaster even when he was really young

really took off with m+ meta tho

[junior rampart]

Yes! It feels good to play Venth

[dense herald]

So I haven’t given assass a crack yet but I take it you just hit vendetta and flag on cd unless using together doesn’t lose a use?
Or do you always use together

[jaunty stone]

Are the sin rogues running Master Assassin (the talent, not the leggo) in higher keys just opting for more single target damage or is there any other reason why?

[bleak sky]

seems like raiderio fuckery

or them porting out of dungeon, swapping talents and coming back for last boss with new talents

but I'm more inclined to say it's raiderio not showing proper talents

[thin trout]

did you ypdate your sim sheet @balmy condor i cant really base it off the sheet

[arctic walrus]

Yes

[balmy condor]

says 40% at the top

[arctic walrus]

Surely means 40% of the way through updating the numbers

[balmy condor]

also went from 4 columns to 1

[bleak sky]

wtb 100% 60% sims backk

so we can dream for a smaller nerf

[glass tulip]

what are current thoughts on dusk leggo slot

still probably ring slot?

[hoary remnant]

What leggo set are we running on mostly st in raids?

[bleak sky]

dashing

[hoary remnant]

Sorry my wording was bad what set of legendarys are we running in 9.2?

[balmy condor]

dusk

the covenant lego has to be equipped

so I guess whatever cov you play

[hoary remnant]

obvs I guess we still will be playing ven right?

[balmy condor]

yeh

I assume at least some cringers will play fae though

it's still gonna be viable most likely and that'll be enough

[hollow river]

I tested some diff talents on PTR earlier

[hoary remnant]

ok ty

[hollow river]

Actually felt kinda bad to play

[thin trout]

Dusk? is that the one that reduces the cd of vendetta?

[balmy condor]

yes

that is that one

[hollow river]

Yeah

[thin trout]

guess it makes sense with the 4p

[hollow river]

Do you really think deeper would be the play?

In its current iteration

[balmy condor]

oh

no of course not

we're ep/mfd gamers

[hollow river]

I know the APLs may need tweaking or something

Yeah that felt the best to me

CT in ST felt SO BAD

I’d lose SnD uptime

Because I couldn’t keep everything up during Vendetta

[balmy condor]

well

you wouldn't

cause env to refresh snd is the highest priority out of anything you could possibly do

[hollow river]

You wouldn’t what

[balmy condor]

lose snd uptime

[hollow river]

Yeah

Well you’d lose CT uptime then

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

[hollow river]

[thin trout]

[hollow river]

Also vendetta and flag definitely didn’t align well

I think the 3rd or the 4th set lined up for me

[balmy condor]

kinda also fine apparently

[bleak sky]

gotta shave magic 10 seconds from flag somewhere somehow no?

(is it 10 sec?)

[hollow river]

Yeah I mean you’re gonna want to hit them both on CD

[balmy condor]

nah

like PTR stuff atm is send literally everything on cooldown

will have to retest at 40%

but it was a gain at 50%

[bleak sky]

I like sending everything on cd

[hollow river]

I don’t

[bleak sky]

forego thinking, send cds

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

no syncing no nothing

just if button available

press

[hollow river]

BAM incoming mechanic!!

[tight ginkgo]

:D

[bleak sky]

cloak evasion send cds

blame healer send cds

blame the game send cds

[hollow river]

LOLOL

[tight ginkgo]

ook ook me press button

[balmy condor]

I can already see the convos in this channel

[bleak sky]

press shiv harder

press cds harder

[hollow river]

I can see them too

[balmy condor]

"how do I sync cds"
you don't
"okay but like on a fight like ___ where X at 2:35 and I have 3.65 seconds on vend and 16.71 on flag do I vendetta the add after it took 9 steps the left, what if I run internal bleeding do I hold kidney for vend on the burn phase of the next fight, do I hold the vendetta for 10.0?"

[hollow river]

You’re not alone

Lmfao

[balmy condor]

gonna be actual cancer

[thin trout]

ekschual cencer

[hollow river]

Takes time to learn how to play the game whispyr

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bleak sky]

DO I HOLD KIDNEY

[hollow river]

I’ve learn a lot in here this tier

[balmy condor]

it's like the "when do I funnel in m+" questions that would require a 12 hour 1 on 1 training session because that's not a quick answer, that's game knowledge that needs to be taught

[hollow river]

Not even just about sin or rogue

[bleak sky]

same, i was an ape in 9.0.5

[balmy condor]

except somehow worse because it'll be specific to 11 bosses

[bleak sky]

now i'm less of an ape

[hollow river]

But CD usage and gl the game in general

Fight timers etc

How to deal with a lil this and that

[fathom flax]

so shiv is 25 seconds cd but flag is 1.5 mins do i hold shiv for flag

and like

[balmy condor]

what if there's adds in 5 seconds

do I hold then

[hollow river]

I’m saying yes

[balmy condor]

okay but what if it's just 1 add

also we hold dps on that fight

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

what about vanish

[quaint carbon]

Just wait for PI to press CD

[subtle kiln]

never get pi because priest WA doesn’t trigger since you didn’t use CD

[jade minnow]

since we are going with duskwalkers, how come sims are better with mfd than vigorRRR

[balmy condor]

Because mfd adds more damage

Mfd + flag is good

[bleak sky]

more stacks = more damage = more gooder

[low epoch]

mfd is already better for me in current tier

[oak sky]

deeper

[versed mica]

it doesn't matter anyway, for ruge will be worst dps, ruge nerfed

[junior rampart]

I want sin to be fairly viable in m+. I don't want to play sub because my ms is around 275-300 constant and shuriken tornado 4sec will get wasted easily in delay. 😂

[bleak sky]

sin is fairly viable

[frosty bridge]

It is viable broski

[bleak sky]

Unless you're doing idk 29s

[fallen fable]

Should I listen to sim and use vandeta on CD rather than combining it with vanish? I mostly get shiv at the same time ,i get that few seconds when i pool before second flag

[low epoch]

Only matters for your shiv window there

Since vendetta will be active throught the whole shiv window regardless if you used it 8 sec prior or not

sim just uses on cd so its up quicker and isn't a dps loss

So the answer is, it probably won't matter at all since you're unlikely to fit another vendetta in thanks to pressing it 8 sec early.

[fallen fable]

Hmm ok. Thanks 😊

[low epoch]

it's even viable in 29's - well at least one anyway, zerocool has played it in.

[oak sky]

[bleak sky]

true I guess but

[junior rampart]

But most High key players have changed to sub right?

I do keys around 19-20

[low epoch]

Yes, but everyone is meta slaves always, regardless of necessity.

[junior rampart]

I enjoy assassin

Do not wish to play sub or outlaw

[low epoch]

You do you, all 3 specs are fine.

[junior rampart]

Yes correct

[subtle tundra]

smh everybody disregarding me

[oak sky]

varas is our m+ expert

[bleak sky]

absolutely fine doing that as sin

true listen to varas

[subtle tundra]

rule of thumb

just pew pew paw paw

[bleak sky]

pew pew paw paw

[regal cloud]

Is pew pew paw paw simmable?

[cobalt hemlock]

with the nerf ( if things dont change) does that mean nightfae is dead?

[iron orchid]

according to the pins, it should still be a viable option in ST

[small nymph]

Just a quick question, apart from the Rupture missclick at the end there, shouldn't I be casting SnD before Rupture in the opener? And Shiv after Vendetta/Flagellation?

[safe wigeon]

Does anyone have a vod of shadowstepping nerzhul bomb?

[iron orchid]

You could just mut/Snd for your first two gcds, try to fit shiv after your last mut before vend and make sure to get vanish and the full duration of master assassin in the shiv window during vend

[deft cave]

if u running MA opener is usually mut snd mut garr rupt

[small nymph]

Not build to 5 Combo points before rupture?

[thin imp]

you have to be very unlucky with MA if that sequence is not giving you 4-5 CP

[small nymph]

With my luck, I'll end up with less CP 😅

But thanks for the help guys!

[soft shale]

well next tier we may play subterfuge anyway ahaha

[gusty adder]

got any vods of high keys as assas?

[glass tulip]

No but my recommendation is to just have a big mass dispel cast bar weak aura and when it hits 0.1-0.0 is when you shadow step to the other bomb guy

[soft shale]

@safe wigeon https://www.twitch.tv/hachadino/clip/InterestingBlazingPotPeoplesChamp-bKDlHlHJKRt_iwb1?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

the wa helps a lot yes

you can do the side looking also is helpful

[safe wigeon]

Thanks will check it out

[strange python]

guys anyone can help me about banned account and tickets ?
plz

[worthy heart]

I'm late i know, but do you have any advice for mythic painsmith? Progressing him tonight and i'd like to go prepared

[gusty mirage]

In p2 and p3 it’s a good idea to not panic when mechanics start to get hectic. Don’t wait for the spikes to reach the last few rows if you can safely clear them after killing the ball before the spikes get to the last 2 rows just do it

Just try to play calm because panicking will speed it up in your head. You have plenty of time to clear every mechanic and I wouldn’t worry about it at all. Watch some videos about the fight so you can get an idea. P1 and p1 intermission is legit just heroic now so it shouldn’t be too much of a trouble. Other than that. Don’t greed corners on spikes move directly left or right don’t try to strafe into position because it increases your chances of getting clipped by spike

You got this

[worthy heart]

Aliright thanks, how about cd usage? We are all around 250ilvl, so i guess damage will be high

[gusty mirage]

Yeah if everyone’s around 250 ilvl you’ll phase it ez pz. CDs on CD tbh intermission is usually enough good enough so that you’d have vendetta for every phase

When you get to p3 people usually lust after the cinder flame enemies spawn, and you should have all your CDs back for that part

Once you guys start getting to p3 consistently, the boss is essentially dead. It’s just the chains mechanic is different in p3 and that’s where people end up messing up. Raid runs toward balls and the 3 chains shift toward the back of the plat

[worthy heart]

Ok perfect

[safe wigeon]

If you're slow on boss kill then last traps go in the middle as well

[worthy heart]

I guess it just need getting used to the fight

[gusty mirage]

^^^^ yeah but if people are clean with the mechanics you probably won’t even need that tbh

[worthy heart]

But also gear should help

[safe wigeon]

Pain is never clean :)

[gusty mirage]

That’s why baby Jesus invented battle rezes

[hollow river]

Bro or reclears are slow af then I guess

[gusty mirage]

But yeah if everyone’s alive for p3 you’re good to go as long as no one messes up mechanics

[safe wigeon]

I have a weak aura that announces when I get spiked.. its very good incentive to not mess it up

[hollow river]

We put last traps in mid always

[gusty mirage]

Then you move on to the Guardian of the Free Loot

Get your 252 salvaged amp and then cry on fatescribe

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

That’ll be me tonight

We haven’t gotten our 2nd fate kill yet

[gusty mirage]

I’m free from raid tonight

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

We full cleared last night

[hollow river]

Wow

New guild new oxi

[worthy heart]

Do spikes break the cheat death or am i able to get hit by 1?

[hollow river]

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/familyguy-spiderman-everybodygetsone-gif-4513402

[hollow river]

Usually procs cheat death

[worthy heart]

Ok but it doesnt overcome it right

[spice spire]

Yeah he’s infinitely more toxi now

[hollow river]

What?

[deft cave]

u can tank them but u get stuned for 7 secs

[hollow river]

Yeah ^

[gusty mirage]

At 250 ilvl you’ll be fine if you get clipped it’ll proc cheat and after stun you’ll be fine

[worthy heart]

There are certain times where i should proc cheat death, but i get oneshot anyways

[gusty mirage]

No dagger or mount

Yeah that’s usually one shot mechanics

[hollow river]

What guild did you join oxi

[gusty mirage]

There’s a threshold where cheat won’t do anything for you and you’ll die through it

[gusty mirage]

Back in March on Illidan

[hollow river]

😮

[worthy heart]

Alright thanks, i just have to pay attention to mechanics and not get clipped by balls or spikes

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s a bit tricky at first and there will be some growing pains for the group but as long as everyone stays patient and doesn’t tilt it’ll die

[thorny pond]

PS is a great fight to learn you have mild R/G colorblind

[gusty mirage]

Hardest mechanic on pain is staying calm tbh

[crystal vault]

Hardest mechanic is your guild

[worthy heart]

Not colorblind but i do have a shit pc xd

[gusty mirage]

Just a lot of shit in p2 and p3 for people to mess up on

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

Had a hpal, spriest and warlock in my last guild that were perma floor pov

[crystal vault]

Same wl here

[hollow river]

Mages and warlocks man

[gusty mirage]

Our spriest would die to spikes and then scream in French in comms after

It was funny for the first 50 pulls the next hundred or so, not so much

[crystal vault]

More tilting were intermissions

[gusty mirage]

Our hpal would clear spikes and then run into the old ones pretty consistently

[hollow river]

[worthy heart]

Also one last thing, during intermission, is there a non-dodgiable spike or did they remove it?

[crystal vault]

Mage had chain and blinked into melee when balls are up

[gusty mirage]

They patched that out

[worthy heart]

Ok perfect

[gusty mirage]

It came with the dozen or so nerfs to the fight

There’s a weakaura for timing the lock gate to stack the adds neatly on top of one another

I’ll grab you the link

[hollow river]

We don’t even lock gate painsmith

It’s unnecessary tbh

[worthy heart]

Thank you 😄

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/cdv7nD3fy

[worthy heart]

I dont know if we will use it, if we do i'll be prepped

Tyty man

[gusty mirage]

A lot of people still use it just for the clean stack of adds but you don’t need to gate anymore if people just stay stacked

[crystal vault]

Get your gateway toy

[clever kindle]

the range of the toy is slightly lower then that of the gate itself

[ebon thorn]

since double leggo is on ptr rn, is it possible to sim on raidbots?

[carmine vigil]

See pins

[bronze heath]

Hey guys, i never paid too much attention to tarragrue anima power. But now it's my last not 99% parse. What are the 4 BiS anima power as Assassination rogue?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[hollow river]

Have to add “ptr=1”

[hollow river]

Check warcraftlogs

[glass tulip]

@bronze heath I got a 98 with only 3 damage powers. Lumbering Form, Elethium Weights, Tremorbeast Heart, last was ever-beating since I was in a carry run and I just didnt want to deal with fear circles

I would have tried to fit in either ten of towers or maybe potent acid gland / pulsing rot-hive?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T86jYZpcLGkHN9rP#fight=2&type=damage-done&graphperf=1

[slender berry]

Id say ten of towers, lumbering Form, elethium weights and howler/ acid gland for last

[spice spire]

Potent acid gland is better. But you also have to beat ryler

[limber lion]

Pulsing Rot-Hive is quite possibly the worst damage power in the game.

[glass tulip]

F

[limber lion]

Potent Acid Glad is the best power in the entire game

BUT

it's super fucking rng

It can be your #1 damage by far if it procs like crazy

Or it can do 0 damage because it never procs

[glass tulip]

primary stat boosts are the go tos, generally

[bronze heath]

Im here for high rolls anyway we play frost set xD

[limber lion]

Yes, the best build is

Elethium Weights, Huddled Carvings, Potent Acid Gland and Lumbering Form

Changing PAG for Ten of Towers if you're not about that rng life

[glass tulip]

pagman

[bronze heath]

Thanks guys, first time rerolling tonight xD

[glass tulip]

if you need any tips on passing guild raider trials and then leaving im also your guy 🥲

on my 3rd guild this month to try to find the right one

[hollow river]

[viscid spear]

I'm hoping I can find a good one with Quake's help

[glass tulip]

what are you doing to look around?

[spice spire]

Is that a horde move @viscid spear

[glass tulip]

I just go through warcraftlogs and stalk guilds who I think I can beat their rogue's performances (or they have no rogue) and then fill out their application the best I can

no connection gamer

[spice spire]

I try to help the homies out as I can

I at least know a few guilds around

Mal’ganis and hyjal, oddly

[glass tulip]

just vouch for me for Method when you get a chance, I heard their resident boomer rogue retired

[spice spire]

Unfortunately US only 😛

[glass tulip]

alright, I'll accept bdgg

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

[winged moss]

what will be our cov lego choice for 9.2?

[viscid spear]

Duskwalker I believe

Still quite a bit of time left of the PTR so things can always change

[winged moss]

i mean covenant

[alpine elm]

What is the soft cap of crit?

[dawn ivy]

most likely it will be venthyr, but numbers and changes are still sure to come

[real solar]

@limber lion i love u

[dawn ivy]

if youre referring to the DR i believe it starts at 30%

[alpine elm]

rly? thought it was 40% for rogues

[dawn ivy]

if youre talking about a magic number for crit we stop going for, it doesnt exist. but most sin rogue at max ilvl run anywhere from low 40-mid 50 crit

[alpine elm]

was more thinking of the stat itself like 1,036 or smth

[alpine elm]

Ye ik, I just have a rly hard time to believe my sims atm

[dawn ivy]

trust the sim gods, they mean well as long as youre doing it right lol

[alpine elm]

it's saying crit still after 45% crit like 16% haste and wants me to go with MFD, shit is unplayeble

[dawn ivy]

yeah crit is INSANELY strong with frost set

so im not surprised

[alpine elm]

sadge

me want haste and fast hands

[dawn ivy]

even if you go FULL TILT crit, with a 252 gland and have like 60% crit, crit isnt BAD.

dont worry, next tier we have a much more balanced stat weight of crit and haste (maybe a tad bit more mastery but thats neither here nor there)

[alpine elm]

ye 9.2 cant come soon enough, tho idk if imma be playing rogue. I cant farm 2 daggers again (if the dagger set is bis)

[viscid spear]

Your optimism amuses me, lol

[late gulch]

for mythic+ what legendary is recomended? looking at the site subcreation. highest keys seems to play dashing, but is that due being highe crit from raid gearing?

[viscid spear]

We're the only class that uses Agi Daggers, so whenever they put one on a raid's loot table they have to make it our best

[viscid spear]

What Cov are you?

[late gulch]

venthyr

[viscid spear]

Obedience