assassination

[viscid spear]

[frosty bridge]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/sunstrider/løsmi

[spice spire]

No sleep until faulty

[frosty bridge]

Nvm, not as close as i thought

[spice spire]

Then the absolute homie just gave it

[frosty bridge]

246 ring gaming

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s ring, dagger, faulty, and isn’t KT neck better? Or does the insane amount of crit make up for ilvl on that neck?

I don’t have bis memorized unfortunately

Also iirc cos ring also up there in BiS

[frosty bridge]

I have it, not simming higher atm

[spice spire]

Excellent

[frosty bridge]

ah CoS ring too NOOOOO

[spice spire]

Just ring, dagger, and Tw shit

[viscid spear]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/bladefist/ashkitten

[spice spire]

I mean you’re literally right there

[viscid spear]

I have work to do

[frosty bridge]

Now just gotta learn to play

and switch away from this dead realm

Anybody from EU ever heard about Sunstrider realm? Nope? Neither

[bleak sky]

Tarren Mill / Kazzak Losmi when

[viscid spear]

Hey man, I understand that all too well

Connected Bladefist is popping

[frosty bridge]

Kazzak never

All other toons are TM

[spice spire]

1/10 M top guild

[frosty bridge]

[viscid spear]

They're absolute horrible people

You'd think they were 10/10M pushing top 50 world the way they act

[spice spire]

Makes it even worse

[frosty bridge]

Saw a guild once

700-800 WR or something

[spice spire]

Being a big fish in a small pond will do that though

[frosty bridge]

Having a minimum versatility rating ever played had to have

[bleak sky]

1/10M big fish?

[spice spire]

In the realm they are

[viscid spear]

More like a coelacanth in a puddle

[frosty bridge]

Imagine being a Warlock or Warrior and they tell you

nah bro not enough vers

[spice spire]

Kind of a banger tbh

“Sorry bro, fix ur stats”

[bleak sky]

more vers = less damage taken = more prog

ezpz rank 1

[keen mantle]

Have anyone simmed new set stat values with dusk?

[spice spire]

True actually

[bleak sky]

echo ran 45% vers all prog on all chars

[spice spire]

Pins

Are latest sims

[keen mantle]

yes but i want to see stat values

[spice spire]

Probably won’t get another round until it’s more flushed out

[keen mantle]

not dmg sims

[bleak sky]

stat values are not important

[spice spire]

Why though

[viscid spear]

I was on Bladefist initially back in Wrath before going to Hyjal until BfA and back then there was a guild on BF that was just as exclusive and snarky. They don't exist now.

[keen mantle]

i did some dummy tests

i feel like haste should be the stat to go for more energy but crit felt lot better

[viscid spear]

Stop hitting me

[bleak sky]

mastery gained some value and thats it

[keen mantle]

and i was wondering what the values are

[bleak sky]

so run the sims

it more haste = more damage, poggers

[spice spire]

And crit value shrank ST, but then like it doesn’t matter on stat values as they fluctuate all the time

[keen mantle]

how come fae is ahead

whats so good about fae?

because of vendetta value from set?

[viscid spear]

I have to say, running EP+MfD last night felt good

[bleak sky]

#916546791472783371 probably has got you covered

[spark scaffold]

@burnt latch i tried the assa thing you mentioned and its actually pretty good

[viscid spear]

elaborate?

[keen mantle]

shiv was 100% crit chance to bleeds and it changed to 100% dmg?

[bleak sky]

yep

bleeds and poisons, though it's all Pinned / feedback thread

[thorn fjord]

sin gonna go brrr

[frosty bridge]

More like bonk

with the nerf hammer on the set

[keen mantle]

obedience dusk seems BRR

dont wanna play sth else

[median silo]

At least we’re not venthy boomkins :3

[thorn fjord]

Vampire chicken

[frosty bridge]

Your avatar is literally a boomkin

[bleak sky]

chicken picture

[frosty bridge]

[median silo]

Old family photo. Not that guy any more I’ve changed I swear

[spice spire]

We have an imposter among us

[thorn fjord]

[frosty bridge]

Unironically I hope rogue sucks next tier

[keen mantle]

so the change between 100% crit to 100%dmg is the nerf they were talking about?

to 2pc?

[bleak sky]

no that's a massive buff

[frosty bridge]

No, this one will get nerfed

[thorn fjord]

nah its most likely the last tier

[bleak sky]

it's in the pins

[thorn fjord]

We'll be top ST

[spice spire]

@median silo there’s a countdown timer on the boss pull, when do you hit the boss? And speak clearly into the mic

[frosty bridge]

I did mean 9.2

I really hope it gets bonked so hard that I don't feel bad for rerolling warrior

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

gross @frosty bridge

[median silo]

Ummmmmmm depending on haste it’s def not 3.75 seconds at max range.

[spice spire]

[median silo]

Ohh I know, shadowstep mutilate macro early enough to piss off the casters

[frosty bridge]

Evasion before that

[thorn fjord]

Dont forget to tricks the hunter

[viscid spear]

Detect Traps?

[spice spire]

The tech here is incredible

[frosty bridge]

If you don't evasion 7 seconds before pull

You're not a real rogue player

[thorn fjord]

big true

[frosty bridge]

Why exactly 7?

Lucky number.

[median silo]

Makes sense.

[frosty bridge]

Tricks the fire mage, not huntert

[viscid spear]

You need to Detect Traps, what if the boss has huge traps that summon giant skellies?

[frosty bridge]

Instead convince the hunter to also md the fire mage

[thorn fjord]

Damn new meta

Our mage is arcane

And also legally blind

[median silo]

Math adds up.

[viscid spear]

He plays Mage, makes sense

[thorn fjord]

Mage chicken

[viscid spear]

Chicken mage, arise

[hollow river]

Damn Space Roosters are corrupting everyone

[sweet sorrel]

hoi mates im back on my rogue was on it from lk to end of legion since i was on a bunch of dps but nah rogue in my heart so i was reading there and there seems very good for 9.2

assa ❤️

[hollow river]

Yeah it’s looking like it will be fun, but it is likely going to receive a nerf to the 2P set bonus. Check out the pins for info

[sweet sorrel]

the nerf seems legit but anyway assa will be in the top raid spec i think

[hollow river]

We’ll just have to wait and see

Sub is also looking very good

[keen mantle]

assa dusk and obi seems super fun to play

lets hope to play this build

[gusty mirage]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire see

😛

[spice spire]

You right

Good shit

[nocturne geode]

just want to make sure im correct on this cloak immunes the haunting guise on sylve right?

[hollow river]

Which one is haunting guise

[gusty mirage]

are those the waves?

if so yes

[nocturne geode]

yes

[hollow river]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

ye ideally you have cloak up for both burn phases

[nocturne geode]

i wonter if im cloaking early

[gusty mirage]

so you can maximize uptime on boss during cds

[hollow river]

I used my cloak for a wave set on both boss burns

[nocturne geode]

im taking alot of damage form it on logs but i mmune the set on each one

prob cloaking to early

[hollow river]

I wait til literally right when they start

[nocturne geode]

ill look into it thanks

[hollow river]

Last wave might be hitting you

[gusty mirage]

yeah wait until the cast goes off

or is about to go off

should last the entire time

[nocturne geode]

kk ty guys just wanted to make sure i wasnt a dumbo

[viscid spear]

How big are your ears? 🐘

[nocturne geode]

tiny

[viscid spear]

You know what they say about a guy with tiny ears

Servers up I think...?

[bleak sky]

yep and rogue loot is tokens

[viscid spear]

Got the Nine ring with a socket

[nocturne geode]

what do they say🤔

[viscid spear]

Oh, I meant that as a question to you, I don't know. My ears are normal.

[real solar]

@gusty mirage hi

[gusty mirage]

[nocturne geode]

[viscid spear]

Only other option was the DoS ring at 252 when I'm using the 246

Not as big of an upgrade I think then going between 239s and gaining a socket

[bleak sky]

but you can socket whatever you want

[viscid spear]

I took the socket

[subtle kiln]

@gusty mirage wrong dagger blessing

[gusty mirage]

I'm sorry

[subtle kiln]

all good. A for effort

[viscid spear]

Crit's at 36%

[gusty mirage]

my blessings have been scuffed today

[viscid spear]

Well I got my EoN last night so I'm happy

[hollow river]

That’s preraid bis for 9.2

[viscid spear]

One of the other Rogues looted it and put it up for roll

Beat the other Rogue 23-22

[hollow river]

Haste mastery gonna go hard next tier

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

[jaunty stone]

Is Blindside expected to outsim EP or is it a case of low gear?

[spice spire]

On pure ST BS/DS is often the best. But in practice it ends up being EP/Vigor - EP/MfD (venthyr) for most fights not guardian

If it’s saying like blindside / vigor, that’s probably gear 😛

[jaunty stone]

I was only simming the first row to see how big of a difference it was, i'll re-sim with MfD to see how it changes

[gusty mirage]

BS will beat out EP in a pure ST fight which is what patchwerk is simming

[jaunty stone]

Mostly because i'm running a pretty low frost set atm (rank 3 rn) and i was wondering if going scoundrel first instead of doomblade was a good pick

[spice spire]

I’d recommend scoundrel, especially if you’re venthyr

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's probably better to aim toward the long term

unless you're still progging it doesn't really matter

save yourself the headache of crafting multiple legos

[jaunty stone]

Definitely not progging, i'm still in the realm of doing H runs on this alt until further notice

[gusty mirage]

yea I wouldn't worry too much then, just stick with dashing & upgrade frost as you get the embers

[jaunty stone]

Huh, i'm getting nearly a 200 dps upgrade going BS + Stratagem[

[coral storm]

Got another edge of night in my vault today, does it stack if I already have one? Is it worth wielding 2 of them? Thank you.

[gusty mirage]

yep thats normal

[real solar]

@gusty mirage i miss u

[gusty mirage]

are you coming back to wow?

[spice spire]

Depends on context of your gear. Do you have 2 259s? Then sure.
Do you already have a 252, but got a second 246? Probably not worth

The best way to figure out if worth is to sim your top gear

[jaunty stone]

But god damn, sin already feels slow as hell even with vigor, playing without it must feel like shit

[gusty mirage]

@jaunty stone guardian is really the only boss where bs/ds would be better than ep/mfd (if venthyr) or ep/vigor (for necro)

[bleak sky]

Sin feels fine with dashing tbh

so you can play MfD and you're not starved ever, really

[thorn fjord]

must be nice 😦

[coral storm]

I have a 246 and got another 246. It's an alt so gear is not great. Thank you.

[jaunty stone]

The plan for MfD on Venthyr is to make the flag windows stronger or just pop it on cd?

[bleak sky]

mfd for flag -> mfd on cd

[spice spire]

Yeah, you’ll just go with highest ilvl. So If you only have two 246s, the dagger is probably an upgrade but again, best to sim

[thorn fjord]

mfd should always be lining up with flag if you're popping it with shiv outside of burst

[hollow river]

That’s pure ST

[coral storm]

So the proc effect stacks or gets stronger with 2 daggers? Thanks for info.

[bleak sky]

damage gets bigger

sim stuck at 70%

[viscid spear]

Did a PF+15, did pretty great on first boss

No Phial tho

3.1k more dps on Glob than next highest, 10k-6.9k so I feel good

Overall the Demo Lock edged me out but I still feel good

[stoic needle]

did someone say haste mastery

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

Oh no

[bleak sky]

oshosi the mastery prophey

[spice spire]

The return

[bleak sky]

Someone summoned them with the m-word

[stoic needle]

is it finally true?

[spice spire]

For now

Expected nerfs blah blah blah

[cerulean walrus]

Oh no it’s him….

[stoic needle]

[gusty mirage]

no

it just makes mastery less shit

[stoic needle]

wow cf oxi

gz

[gusty mirage]

ty

it just makes secondaries more level

which is a good thing

so you don't feel like shit getting a haste/mastery piece in your vault for the 18th week in a row

[tight ginkgo]

A question for the sin venthyr m+ enjoyers -- is it better to send flag and vendetta on CD full stop or send on CD but aim to sync for bosses? Or something else entirely?

[stoic needle]

when you're blessed by the mastery gods with good loot* 😌

nah im jk tho

these new tier sets look pretty cool

[marble hemlock]

depends a bit on the week. on fortified youre gonna try to get as many solid flags on trash as you can, as you typically only get 1 vendetta on bosses anyway, and you can sync flag with that quite easily. on tyrannical you generally prefer getting 2 vendettas on bosses, and as such its harder to sync flag as smoothly

[gusty mirage]

yeah it feels a bit janky but thats probably because we've played essentially the same rotation for like 100 years now

[marble hemlock]

be glad youre not playing outlaw

[gusty mirage]

I JUST WANT COMBAT DAGGERS BACK

[marble hemlock]

using ER, fishing for the last animacharged CP and everytime you hit it, MG procs your 2pc and you get +1 CP and you already spellqueued your dispatch so you use a 3cp dispatch instead of a 2cp one

[gusty mirage]

you know I tried a key as outlaw and said fuck it we'll play QD because I don't feel like binding ghostly

and it was awful

so many janky finisher because of spell queue on the 135798324759823apm spec

[marble hemlock]

its alright atm imo

just annoying

but like

itll be kinda sus with 2pc

and getting random CP procs

[gusty mirage]

idk if scari tuned it down

but when I played with it on ptr

it was like constant

I'd BTE and have full CP 2 globals later

[tight ginkgo]

sounds like a less rhythmic shadow tech

[clever kindle]

outlaw has never had a rhythm so that's OK

[tight ginkgo]

Only rhythm it has is when it is beating the other specs amirite?!?

[clever kindle]

balance spinning plates and use your downtime for direct damage

though more reactive now then it has been in the past I think, because of conduits

I like the feeling of building a 5 buff

[jaunty stone]

holy fuck why did i not give blindside a try sooner, this actually makes sin rogue somewhat fun to raid

[tight ginkgo]

ty for this

[drifting cloud]

[burnt latch]

U mean swapping in mists?

[spark scaffold]

yeah

[hollow river]

Would only do that on Guardian but yeah it’s fun

[spark scaffold]

the only problem is you have to play nadjia and have port / tea ready to use

for quick swap to sub after

[viscid spear]

[tight ginkgo]

What's this? Sin for first boss in mists then hot swap?

[spark scaffold]

you have a bit less burst on ingra but 2x tree damage

yes

[tight ginkgo]

Sounds pretty based. Going to give that a try.

[spark scaffold]

so from 3 mill on ingra i went to 2.5 mill

but my tree dmg went from 900k to 1.5 mill iirc

maybe bit more

[tight ginkgo]

Yeah my group has trouble pushing tree

on 25ish tyran

[spark scaffold]

this was on 25 tyra

so give it a try

not gonna lie it also makes the first pull quite a bit easier

because you start with garrote on double caster and when you run out of stops you can vanish and garrote again

then you have 2x targets which sin is also better for

so its not just first boss

[tight ginkgo]

Yeah, sounds pretty good!

[kindred rapids]

is it even worth switching back to sub at that point

[austere lintel]

Anyone else having issues simming other soulbinds? Im currently binded to theotar, but when I try simming Heimir, it doesnt change the number of Iterations

[hollow river]

Did you choose all the conduit paths?

[austere lintel]

Yep

And tried other soulbinds

Same result

But when i tried Nathia, the iterations changed

[subtle kiln]

did you get rid of lashing ?

or post a screen of what you've got selected

[austere lintel]

No, but included the Necro conduit so i dont see how that would be the issue

One sec

[austere lintel]

I know its very small, but you can see the issue with iterations

[spice spire]

Do you have obedience on?

And selected

[austere lintel]

I do

e.e

sec

[spice spire]

Select a different legendary

[subtle kiln]

and do you have something to swap it out with?

[spark scaffold]

It is worth for all the maze stops

With cheapshot

[spice spire]

Even if not, you can artificially add the other 262s

[spark scaffold]

And last part aswell

[spice spire]

Or another one in general - obedience is the issue with that sim

[austere lintel]

That fixed

Thanks a lot!

[subtle kiln]

the legos say nogos

[spice spire]

No worries

[edgy orbit]

What's the expected m+ cov for 9.2?

[spice spire]

Can’t say for sure, tuning isn’t final.
Venthyr seems safe

[edgy orbit]

I was curious to the interaction of the 4piece with kyrian. In theory it sounds animacharge CT could be really strong.

[ebon thorn]

!tea

[spice spire]

@ebon thorn what do you need?

Shadowlands.party_favor_type=

Name the stat iirc

[bleak sky]

primary/haste/versatility/crit

[ebon thorn]

ty

[raven vapor]

is there a command for the defensive spreadsheet? can't seem to find it

[echo geyser]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[raven vapor]

ty

[spice spire]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[subtle kiln]

!bis

sadge

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

!weallgetlaid

[nocturne geode]

ash go to your room and take care of your things

[viscid spear]

My cats are in there

[nocturne geode]

somewhere private then

[viscid spear]

I gotta do this PF so I can not loot a Phial

And hopefully not die to the first giant thing's ground slime

[glass tulip]

First sylv vault today

[viscid spear]

[glass tulip]

got a 259 belt at least, phew

[arctic walrus]

Grats on the vendor gold

[glass tulip]

gotta stack ilvl

[thorny pond]

!bis

Frick

[glass tulip]

sims 64 dps upgrade over PS belt 🤷

[arctic walrus]

Might just reintroduce that command but have it link to my character page

[thorny pond]

You mean mine?

[arctic walrus]

Who are you?

[glass tulip]

show gear 🥲

[thorny pond]

A guy with bis gear

[balmy condor]

The interaction exists but the problem is that it doesn’t do damage

[subtle kiln]

!bis should go to @balmy condor character sheet since it’s his meme

[glass tulip]

tea goes on cooldown if you click it while you arent theo

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[viscid spear]

I did that too before

[spice spire]

Don’t speak to your fellow alliance mythic raiders like that, you’re a dying breed

[arctic walrus]

They all deserve to be gone

[spice spire]

Damn homie

Guess it’s true 🐍

[arctic walrus]

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

10.0 cross fraction raiding

[thorny pond]

Just make allince racials do 4% extra damage

It’ll balance itself out

[subtle kiln]

hahah they already have better racials. population way too far gone for that short of free transfers

[sinful owl]

Hey, I never played assa, where do i put the SnD in the opener? can someone tell me the opener on ST as venthyr? ty

[bleak sky]

It's in the guide I'm sure of it

but it's your second global on the opener. Mutilate -> snd

[limber lion]

It's your second gcd everytime, unless playing subterfuge in aoe/cleave

[sinful owl]

ah i thought i'd use like garrote>mutilate>SnD

kk ty

can't find the guide to be fair

[bleak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[bleak sky]

or in #assassination-faq

[sinful owl]

Aight, sorry boys and thanks

[bleak sky]

FAQ doesn't have the guide nvm

[spice spire]

Smh

[viscid spear]

[hollow river]

[full tendon]

It only took 6+ months

But I finally have a 252 dagger

[bleak sky]

damn unlucky af

[full tendon]

Yeah, my rogue has been super unlucky

[balmy condor]

6 more until sylv dagger

[full tendon]

Prob

I gave up on it tbh

But have had 2-4 252 vaults since patch

And never got a dagger

[bleak sky]

those other choices better be good

oh I misread

nvm

[gusty mirage]

I feel like its redundant to ask questions you know the answer to

[full tendon]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

wtf is he going to do with a vers/mastery cloak

[bleak sky]

bro? I thought apes together strong?

[oak sky]

@arctic walrus phial yet?

[spice spire]

Bro

Toxic af

[gusty mirage]

I need you to do me a favor

head on over to whispyr's discord and check out #requests real quick

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

ill feint more next time

its not a phase mom

me pressing feint when i have frost shards and theotar 🦍

[spice spire]

Feinting when you’re already pumping in the hps meters

[thorny pond]

Hps > dps

It’s fax

[oak sky]

little do they know I'm rank 7 for healing parses

[arctic walrus]

Too busy making money so I can afford your mom

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-ooooof-gif-12896777

[spice spire]

Need the hps 100 parse gamer @slow marsh to confirm

[oak sky]

shes a pricey one

[thorny pond]

Ice blades has bandages from wotlk still and somehow cheeses the system

[spice spire]

He’d answer but he’s a survival main rn

Unfortunate

[thorny pond]

Survival goes hand in hand with HPS

Poor guy

[oak sky]

ye i dont have a single rank 1 healing parse

unfortunately

[slow marsh]

Wow

[thorny pond]

Cheat death and vial on CD

[oak sky]

i have 8 99s though

😈

[thorny pond]

Stack more leech

[oak sky]

i have leech on both trinkets

[thorny pond]

Damn bruh

Big tertiary roller

[oak sky]

yup yup

[drifting cloud]

what a scrub

[gusty mirage]

damn ryler's gotten toxic lately

[slow marsh]

Doesn't press feint enough to get 100s

[gusty mirage]

the externals have driven him mad

[oak sky]

ryler isnt even on the healing all stars top 10

[spice spire]

When your healers are too good and they steal your parse

Unfortunate

[drifting cloud]

I mean isnt assa healing parses just do 2 months of reclears as theotar

[grand ridge]

Stand in more shit get some use out of those winds procs

[gusty mirage]

let me double check

[drifting cloud]

I dont even healt pot/hs most fights nothing does dmg

[gusty mirage]

@drifting cloud yes

[spice spire]

On prog last night, everyone died to a remnant overlap and I was chilling at 71%, frost shards very balanced

[oak sky]

i dont really either

[drifting cloud]

im r14 apparently

[oak sky]

theotar and frost shards carry

[spice spire]

Fleshcraft

[gusty mirage]

bonerspiker

[drifting cloud]

for r1 you prolly have to proc cheat or some shit lmao

[grand ridge]

It's dumb how little defensive benefit you get from unholy compared to blood and frost

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

or play something stupid like cloaked in shadows then vial on cd

do like negative deeps

[bleak sky]

lmao feint more

not even 100s

[drifting cloud]

wtf is cloaked in shadows

[gusty mirage]

imagine cutting off the highest hps

hide behind your secrets

[gusty mirage]

the conduit that gives you an absorb when you stealth

[oak sky]

ur lower than me on all stars

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

cry about it

[gusty mirage]

guy's flexing his 99 avg

[bleak sky]

did I toggle ilvl? yes

[gusty mirage]

my sylv hps > his and somehow lower

[oak sky]

mines 99.2

[bleak sky]

do I care? no

[oak sky]

get a real number

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

its the guardian 99 parse in october gambit

[gusty mirage]

why would you play bs/ds on guardian idiot lmao nerd get rekt stupid

[grand ridge]

I wonder if disc absorbs break before winds

[oak sky]

see theres a reason why my guardian log is lower than the rest of my logs

and its not externals

[grand ridge]

And it makes your numbers look bad

[burnt latch]

hps parses > dps parses

[storm forum]

are sockets worth 6 ilvls on a belt? I got a piece with a socket i could upgrade thats the same piece as a 252 i have equipped.

[balmy condor]

seems reasonable

why not just socket the one you have equipped though

[oak sky]

sounds like a question for a sim

[storm forum]

cause i hate the maw and could only get rank 4 rep before it drove me crazy

[bleak sky]

you can get exalted with the other faction

[slow marsh]

cinders fam

[bleak sky]

and buy sockets with cinders

[storm forum]

doesnt the other faction still require maw/korthia stuff?

[bleak sky]

yeah but different kind of grind

[drifting cloud]

its like 10min of dailies a day

[oak sky]

korthia is easier than it used to be

[limber lion]

10 hours until I get my second dagger

Poggies

[oak sky]

[storm forum]

[oak sky]

cev bouta beat everyone up on every boss

[limber lion]

Nah still missing shoulders and phial

and every external in the game

[oak sky]

doesnt matter

beat the no external logs

[spice spire]

You just need the KA king

Doesn’t matter on the rest of the externals

[oak sky]

one guy nearly got rank 1 with no externals on sylv

it can be done

[arctic walrus]

BETTER CHECK TO SEE IF IT’S CONSISTENT ON THEO AND NADJIA

[storm forum]

my guild's finally getting to p3 sylv with everyone alive so i might get a chance at a dagger 🙂

[oak sky]

TRUE IT HAS TO BE DONE

[limber lion]

wtf that's actually insane

[oak sky]

if he can do it you can do it

i dont get pad side in p2 so i dont think i can do it

[upbeat bobcat]

Everyone is unloading their coolies on that side anyway

everything just evaporates

[storm forum]

holy shit though the #1 parse is a shadow priest with 79 buffs

like 4x the next guy

4x buffs

[oak sky]

yeah

[arctic walrus]

I appreciate the sentiment but I’m playing outlaw tonight

[oak sky]

sorry, don't mean to be rude but: who asked you?

[limber lion]

He had an insane kill time and really great timers all around

[drifting cloud]

wait @arctic walrus you were asking about asp a few weeks ago

[limber lion]

I only get to use 5 vendettas, he got 7.

[drifting cloud]

but you dont even have a full clear as any spec this patch??

[viscid spear]

Outlaw

[clever kindle]

yeah the very reactive, engaging gameplay of sin is clearly far superior

[oak sky]

nah nah i believe

[drifting cloud]

@limber lion just find 2 buyers

[arctic walrus]

LOL

Yeah maybe

[limber lion]

I might have a better chance next week if I get WFT

If we even have a raid, who knows

[oak sky]

oh damn i forgot about wft

[arctic walrus]

Cev

Believe me

[limber lion]

Vel

[arctic walrus]

I know you’re good

But listen

I don’t want my friends to sim delusional

Seem

[limber lion]

Oh I'm aware I won't be getting a single 99

[arctic walrus]

You’re not gonna pull 1.5k out of your ass

Respectively of course

[oak sky]

literally KA

just found in cevs ass

[arctic walrus]

Oh if he’s going externals then 1. Fuck u 2. Yea nvm it’s doable

[limber lion]

I improved my dps on every single boss, but every single parse was lower.

[oak sky]

no im kidding

[limber lion]

Good game

[oak sky]

yeah

[limber lion]

Probs seeing some improvement again next week with WFT and whatnot

Hopefully

[oak sky]

i mean im pretty sure a 99 is doable on a lot of the bosses if not nearly all

little bit of rng

[drifting cloud]

its not

[spice spire]

Man didn’t play in like two months outside of some testing and still improved

[oak sky]

but like nobody plays optimal

[drifting cloud]

like assa just doesnt have enough parses

[arctic walrus]

It’s not

[drifting cloud]

99 on most bosses is top10-15 log

[oak sky]

i think thats doable on a lot of them tbh

very difficult

need some circumstances

[drifting cloud]

its doable on maybe like 2-3 that count for asp

[oak sky]

but i think its possible

[drifting cloud]

and soulrender shouldnt even count tbh

[arctic walrus]

There’s nothing about difficulty lol the only metric outside of going externals is winds crit

Except some guy already did get winds rng and externaled so ur sol

Idk how I parsed so high on remnant but as for soulrender obviously gigapad

[oak sky]

remnant i think is a killtime fight mostly

[spice spire]

A lot more logs on the first five, too

[drifting cloud]

yeah I guess the first 5 have so many more logs so doable on those 4

[spice spire]

Painsmith and beyond is a sketcher tho

[limber lion]

My best parse last week was a 98 on Soulrender, rank 36

With Poison Bomb

[drifting cloud]

after that its close to impossible, sure maybe if youre clearing for 2-3 months and youre actually good and never get externals

[bleak sky]

jesus

[spice spire]

Because externals are so rampant, doing clean logs is

[arctic walrus]

I mean I could go for the spotless run any % but it’s literally just not enjoyable

Getting like rank 30 as rank 1 no external

Just 0 enjoyment out of that

[drifting cloud]

I did it in CN where it was actually fun, but nobody played assa back then

[limber lion]

Agreed

[drifting cloud]

I was the only one top10 with 0 pis

[limber lion]

I only did heroics back in CN :(

Guild cleared mythic once and then stopped

[arctic walrus]

That’s why at least on outlaw I don’t think it’s as rampant

[limber lion]

And mythic took fucking years

[arctic walrus]

So a bit better luck

[drifting cloud]

but my guild did speed strat tryharding which helped on some bosses

[oak sky]

outlaw has other rng things though

[arctic walrus]

Less and somewhat smoothed out by gear

[oak sky]

but i guess that might not feel quite as bad

[arctic walrus]

Also outlaw just more fun to play 😛

[drifting cloud]

how dare you

[rotund oak]

Dare more Vel,dare more

./vanish

[placid pagoda]

why tea has a cooldown is beyond me

[oak sky]

why tea doesnt just let you pick is beyond me

[thorny pond]

So you can’t free roll

[thorny pond]

Immersion

[oak sky]

[thorny pond]

Don’t shoot the pigeon

[drifting cloud]

its a tea party, you cant just stay forever

[whole bluff]

Theo gives you to choose a set of 4 different flavors but you don't know which one you will get

[thorny pond]

Like a real gift, you don’t know

[alpine latch]

So how are the 9.2 fights looking for us? Think we'll actually have a good spot in the raid (outside of DPS numbers), or will this be a super ranged heavy tier?

[slow marsh]

Only tested 3 bosses on mythic so far

[alpine latch]

Some of them, even on heroic, seem to favor ranged

[slow marsh]

they do

rogue seems like it'll be in a fine spot though

[alpine latch]

Like the one that spawns adds and they channel to grow a circle that you can't stand in

I assume the Mythic mechanic is a permanent circle

Instead of it disappearing when they die

I haven't looked much at the Mythic testing though

[slow marsh]

it's really hard to judge how x will be just because we still dont have double leggos/know if we'll have them in prog in the first place

[alpine latch]

yeah

And the rule of thumb seems to be, when in doubt bring more ranged

My guild is melee heavy and it's a massive pain in the ass sometimes

[slow marsh]

well yeah it's def not as melee friendly as sod was

[alpine latch]

Nathria and SoD weren't terrible for melee heavy

But from what I've seen, the next tier might be

[spice spire]

Nathria was awful for melee

[slow marsh]

yeah

it seems to be a bit better than CN but not by much so far

[spice spire]

SoD is definitely not

Awful for melee*

[alpine latch]

I only made it 3/10M and what I saw wasn't bad. I'm not a CE guy though

So it might have just gotten bad later

[spice spire]

Xymox, stone legion, and council. All not great melee fights

[alpine latch]

Ah yeah

[spice spire]

Including Denny himself

[slow marsh]

ye

[alpine latch]

Never made it there

Got pulls on Darkvein but that was it

[slow marsh]

all in all though from what i've seen, step and cloak will let us cheese some stuff and we'll likely have a melee spot just fine as long as you can pump and not die

[storm forum]

nice, that's the only thing im remotely okay at

[viscid spear]

I would do PTR but I worry about my PC; literally cooked my previous one and had to get a cheapish one, looking to get a better one with refund

[frosty bridge]

SoD is fantastic for melee

[limber swallow]

looks like the 2 set nerf is in the PTR notes.

Grudge Match Shiv causes enemies within 15 yards to take  40% increased damage from your Poisons and Bleeds for 9 seconds.

[copper hazel]

nerfs are in

[grim tangle]

sad

[timber gale]

realistically i never meant for it to go out at 100% anyways so

really it's a fake nerf

i hope u will all understand

[copper hazel]

it makes sense

[oak sky]

as long as we end up tuned well overall i dont think anyone will mind

🙂

[limber lion]

Great, we got the number!

Time to start blasting sims again

[oak sky]

thanks scari

[drifting cloud]

just make it 55% next week

[balmy condor]

time to update all the spreadsheet oh wait already have an entry for 40%

[oak sky]

[drifting cloud]

no nerfs for sub?

[jade minnow]

Shiv exsang lets go

[wispy leaf]

you wrote mage wrong

[plush isle]

gonna change something about our shit legendaries ?

[limber lion]

The Assassination tiersets 2-piece has been nerfed from 100% to 40%. This is the nerf we were expecting and talking about the past few weeks and it's finally here. The previous iteration was massively overtuned and we knew from the get-go that it would get nerfed. Even though a flat 60% nerf seems massive, the tier set is still very very good.

You can refer to Whispyr's sheet below for sims. He will be updating it and the theorycrafters will likely start working on the apl now that we have a good number to base the sims off of.

EDIT: We have already found multiple gains for Night Fae and Venthyr, but mainly Night Fae, which explains the sudden popularity of the covenant.

**Do note that this is the PTR, so anything is still plausible. **We could see a further nerf or a buff down the line, only time will tell.

[frosty bridge]

oh boy

[frosty bridge]

there it is

[limber lion]

ez

[balmy condor]

legendaries aren't changing

[limber lion]

so

[balmy condor]

well

not majorly

[limber lion]

night fae gamers

[balmy condor]

are crying

[limber lion]

only 100 dps off

100 dps is nothing

[drifting cloud]

cev knew it would be 40% so he renamed in advance??

[plush isle]

[oak sky]

not night fae 🦀

[hollow river]

Wow 40%

[balmy condor]

you get to play dusk, what's wrong with that

[hollow river]

That’s kinda lame

[balmy condor]

"kinda lame"

still 15-17% tier

yeah winds of winter is lame too

[plush isle]

Looking at Sub, want to play both speccs, Dusk seems good, but i think they underestimate how strong some classes get with 2 Legendaries and our Options arent that overwhelming.

[pure sinew]

Yeah it's still higher than most specs right

In terms of tier

[limber lion]

Still a really amazing tier set

Can't wait to play with it in m+ and heavy aoe pulls

[fleet anchor]

I'm sitting here thinking we got off easy 😛

[balmy condor]

dusk is 9%, which is really good, sub is kinda low on the double legendary front but we'll see what happens to them

[oak sky]

@balmy condor is bs/ds better in st or ep/ds just always better currently

[fleet anchor]

6-8% 2pc is still higher than most by a fair bit

[balmy condor]

bs/ds is dead with tier I think

[oak sky]

kk

was curious

seemed like it might be

[limber lion]

Never use BS/DS again

[balmy condor]

we did

I was fully expecting like 20%

[limber lion]

Not in SoD, not in Sepulcher

[fleet anchor]

I was thinking we'd get 25%

[pure sinew]

Outlaw 10% set

Omegalol

[fleet anchor]

But yeah

Interesting that both the AoEs are 15y

Considering that's larger than our typical AoE range

[hollow river]

I see a lot of broken classes

[strange python]

lol #40%

[balmy condor]

and they'll get stomped too

[pure sinew]

Who's left?

[hollow river]

Feral and survival, fire mage

[fleet anchor]

So Fire Mage then?

😛

[alpine latch]

I presume that's an estimate of ST now DSlice, right?

[hollow river]

Looks like they buffed demo which is hilarious

[alpine latch]

I'm curious how this will impact the spec in keys

But I know we're still a ways off of that

[arctic walrus]

@balmy condor hello

[oak sky]

real question is necro or venthyr for keys

do we want overall or st

🤔

[arctic walrus]

Yellow class dead?

[hollow river]

Yep

[pure sinew]

Yeah fire

[limber lion]

Will probably need some apl tweaking for Dslice

[pure sinew]

I think feral is fine

[inland hull]

This is still a buff to shiv in ST, yeah? Then just a big buff in aoe?

[alpine latch]

I'm probably going to be rolling both. My group doesn't have a Necrolord right now so we have no buffs in ToP/PF

[hollow river]

Lol

[alpine latch]

And I can hit SBS

[bleak sky]

buffs are a crutch

[alpine latch]

I, personally, play without poison because I feel it's not fair to my opponent

[bleak sky]

no flask no poison no runes

[alpine latch]

lol

[balmy condor]

it's a nerf

100% down to 40

[alpine latch]

I think he means in the grand scheme of things

From 9.1 to 9.2

[inland hull]

Yeah, grand scheme

[alpine latch]

Which, of course it's a buff

It's a set bonus

Our sets don't nerf us

They make us stronger

[jade minnow]

Crazy

[hollow river]

Think he meant specifically for ST

[alpine latch]

This isn't Legion where Warlocks got the wrong legendary and their damage went down

[hollow river]

Like was it only a cleave ability or something

[plush isle]

@balmy condor anything about the dagger set ? is it from the raid or just some rare mob loot ?

[balmy condor]

we don't know

[pure sinew]

Was there a new dagger mined

[oak sky]

yeah

have to wait for the loot tables i guess

[slow marsh]

We might also get some other tuning

[alpine latch]

Wait there's a dagger set?

[slow marsh]

kind of

i dont think it's a raid set but there is a lower ilvl dagger pair with a bleed effect and a burn effect

[alpine latch]

Oh really?

Interesting

[plush isle]

i hope it doesnt drop in the raid, waited 27 weeks for the first sylvanas dagger, Something I don't want to experience again

[inland hull]

Very, it would make sense as raid loot if it's buffed by the tier set

[balmy condor]

and it's also a terrible effect

[alpine latch]

Ohhh, I see it now

[slim jay]

Are all the specs looking close again or is one pulling ahead?

[balmy condor]

the damage is like

terrible

[balmy condor]

ask again in 6 weeks

[pure sinew]

What's the dagger

Someone link pls

[fleet anchor]

Funny enough the M and H ones I have atm are both from the GV (eventually, took a while for M)

I've literally never actually seen it drop

[balmy condor]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=190125/kris-of-intricate-secrets

[fleet anchor]

For anyone in my guild

[balmy condor]

the set bonus is like stupid undertuned

[fleet anchor]

We have 2 Rogues in on every Sylv M kill, and usually 2-3 on Heroic clears

And I've literally never seen a single one actually be looted

it's hilarious

[pure sinew]

Eh

Whatever

This seems like a poxstorm thing

[balmy condor]

I did some napkin math and at 100% uptime it's still worse than a sylv dagger

[pure sinew]

Better than anything on the same ilvl

That isn't sylv dagger

[slow marsh]

Seems to me like a catchup bootleg sylv dagger

[pure sinew]

^

Poxstorm the dagger

[uneven hamlet]

took me 30 weeks to see one dagger, it was from mythic lmao

[alpine latch]

I raided in 2 guilds for 4 months and still raid every week in 1. I've only seen a single pair of leather gloves drop off of The Eye

[fleet anchor]

I think we've seen two of those, but it's also a rare one for some reason

[alpine latch]

Yeah IDK why

Everyone got them from their vault

We get like 3 Occular Glands every damn kill

[fleet anchor]

We've also only ever seen 2 Guardian trinkets despite having like 7 people in comp who can loot it every week 🤣

[oak sky]

Same

[uneven hamlet]

progged the entire tier with a 246 valor daggi

[plush isle]

Same, Week 27 Heroic Dagger dropped after 27 Weeks of only HC farm to fill the Vault (played with second char for mythic to only have heroic options), one week after that Mythic Dagger

[oak sky]

Except all of us that needed guardian trinket have countermeasure now

[fleet anchor]

I have some pretty strong theories for why this is

[alpine latch]

I never got countermeasure

[fleet anchor]

Hopefully won't be an issue next tier

[alpine latch]

I only ran it like 15 times

I didn't really dedicate myself to the farm

[nocturne geode]

new 2 set is 40%

[balmy condor]

yes

[nocturne geode]

@balmy condor

ohh

[balmy condor]

I'm aware

[nocturne geode]

you beat me

[balmy condor]

the spreadsheet is updated

and the pin is written

[fluid crystal]

Lmao

[fleet anchor]

If my theory is correct the fact that the new raid has 11 bosses instead of 10 should potentially help, as well as the fact that it's a bit more non-linear

But we'll see

[nocturne geode]

is 40% still keep venth ahead?

[slow marsh]

wow that was quick whisp how'd you do that

[nocturne geode]

or we waiting to see

[balmy condor]

yes

[nocturne geode]

ight

rip the dream

it was a good one

[fleet anchor]

He ran the possible numbers ahead of time 😛

[nocturne geode]

kekw

[exotic fractal]

so the new 2 pc is a 6% dps upgrade right? How much of an upg was it before when it was 100%?

[balmy condor]

16%

[exotic fractal]

gotcha

[fleet anchor]

I mean we knew it was getting nerfed so this is something that was already on the radar as a possibility at a variety of values

[slow marsh]

we might be getting other tuning maybe

[balmy condor]

I was almost done writing my tier set revisited article too

[pure sinew]

16

Lmao

[slow marsh]

scar daddy liked my most recent post on the thread

[pure sinew]

4 piece

[balmy condor]

and now I need to rewrite half of it

[exotic fractal]

i was expecting the final number to land around 60% but I suppose we'll see what happens, still possible; Im not sure how this compares to 2pc other classes get and if 6% is actually reasonable/common, if it is then neat

[balmy condor]

mother fuck

[uneven hamlet]

If they actually balance down the other broken specs like assa was, isn't 16% a good number ?

[slow marsh]

about wanting to fix sepsis / TO / deathspike

[fleet anchor]

60% would have been a 2pc that is stronger than the entire Outlaw set fwiw

[floral shoal]

I played Venthyr right from the start of Shadowlands and never switched, you're all fotm rerollers 😉

[plush isle]

100% to 40% why not 70%. Balanced at all thinks should be

[pure sinew]

16 is most classes 4sets

[uneven hamlet]

but they need to stomp alot of outliers too I guess

[exotic fractal]

I see Koji, didnt realize; I kinda wish outlaw would get a buff too tho, feelsbad for them that the set doesnt enable a greenskin or concealed build, woulda been fun

[balmy condor]

me and koji were expecting it in the 20's

[fleet anchor]

yeah

[exotic fractal]

LMAO

[slow marsh]

help;

[oak sky]

Iceblades deletes

[slow marsh]

i'm being censored

[exotic fractal]

gottem

[slow marsh]

but yeah i think 40% is perfectly reasonable

[fleet anchor]

Only 40% of your posts are allowed to go through in keeping with the theme

[slow marsh]

[oak sky]

Now all we need is the double leggo unlock in the first 2 weeks

[fleet anchor]

Also I definitely did not farm Countermeasure over the holidays lol

[plush isle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504774767375679493/930584018599182336/unknown.png

Classtrinket for DK

[fleet anchor]

9.1.5's parsing situation makes me too annoyed to be fussed about it

Class trinkets eh...

Interesting

[pure sinew]

Dk is the only class with a disease right

[plush isle]

maybe just for dk ?

[pure sinew]

Wait it says dk only

[balmy condor]

almost like it's a class trinket

[plush isle]

because arthas etc.

[slow marsh]

no king rules forever my son

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

lore spoilers huge

[fleet anchor]

Should be a Warlock trinket

[pure sinew]

Ye I didn't see

[balmy condor]

should be a shaman trinket

[pure sinew]

Lmao

So do disease dispels shit on dk

In pvp

Or something

[bronze pike]

yall i just came back from work

i saw the tier set

40% is a big ouch

[pure sinew]

nah

[bronze pike]

right?

[pure sinew]

its balanced

16% on a 2 set

when most classes get 15% on a 4 set

is not ok

[bronze pike]

i mean ya

but i didnt expect such a nerf to nightfae

[pure sinew]

isnt outlaw 10% on a 4 set rn

[slow marsh]

it's actually in a fine spot for NF

[balmy condor]

I literally simmed this ahead of time so people would expect it

[strange python]

that's a biiiig nerf huh

[pure sinew]

whispyr why you so smart

[strange python]

[subtle tundra]

its currently the end of the world, we shall all perish

how dare they nerf us on the ptr by SIXTY PERCENT?!?!? literall unplayable class

[hollow river]

Just because some of us knew it was coming doesn’t mean we are going to be happy about it

[bronze pike]

rip m yfairy dreams

[hollow river]

Just hoping they bring everyone else in line is all

[balmy condor]

be happy it's 40% lmao

[strange python]

whispyr have you quantified the nerf

[balmy condor]

yes

literally a month ago

[willow eagle]

I assume the set bonus is still really good at 40%

[hollow river]

[plush isle]

sry was blind

[strange python]

what is the result

[plush isle]

its not a trinket

[grave trail]

considering the daggers have stats is it really?

[plush isle]

its a ring

[strange python]

what % is the set at 40%

[hollow river]

Check the pins

For sims

[strange python]

oh right, ty

[balmy condor]

[sand canopy]

Feels sad the 4 set won't make up the dps we lose from shards 😢

[balmy condor]

??

it does

[hollow river]

It definitely does

[balmy condor]

not like 100%

but it's close

[hollow river]

Plus higher ilvl

And 2 leggos

Big pump

[balmy condor]

tier + extra conduit rank

makes up for dom socket

and then we have ilvl and 2 lego and class trinket

well

probably class trinket

[old thistle]

we dont know much about raid weapons either

[bronze pike]

you can safely take out shards

[plush isle]

priest gets a ring too

[inland hull]

Should be big help in M+ too

[bronze pike]

ya i saw some discussion about a dk trink from anduin?

is ther elike more trinks?

[slow marsh]

maybe

[balmy condor]

not atm

[old thistle]

theres one that makes a big bubble for healers

from anduin

[sharp zodiac]

Oh thank fuck Night Fae isn’t on top anymore

That’s the biggest plus out of this

[balmy condor]

true

[steel geyser]

nf dream is over

[balmy condor]

dreams are good

it was a nightmare

[sharp zodiac]

Inb4 Sepsis buff

[soft shale]

where can you see that change?

[balmy condor]

wanting to actively play toxic onslaught should be a test for instanity

[soft shale]

oh on mmo champ it is already there

[hollow river]

Wowhead

[oak sky]

wait

[soft shale]

hmm 40% is not that bad i guess

[oak sky]

theres class trinkets

[inland hull]

The covenant needing a buff seems to be necro

[oak sky]

thats so sick

[soft shale]

wait really

[hollow river]

Only a couple so far agroan

[slow marsh]

maybe

[soft shale]

well guess we wait a bit until they fix the tooltips and shit

[oak sky]

dude that sounds so cool though

[fleet anchor]

NF dream was over like 10 months ago

[sharp zodiac]

Until you realize you play rogue and blizzard always forgets about us

[oak sky]

as long as its a dps gain over shadowgrasp totem im here for it

not getting one would be cringe though

:/

[sharp zodiac]

I for one can’t wait for an item that I only have the chance to loot and never get

[oak sky]

be a cool little borrowed power thing

[sharp zodiac]

Edge of Night

[slow marsh]

same

[limber lion]

Yo the rings look fucking sick

[sharp zodiac]

Link for the lazy