assassination

[balmy condor]

and celerity broke

but it doesn't work on TO because it's the same spell

[bleak sky]

[echo geyser]

is weird on sub with pv

cause u have to "backstab" twice after first dance

1 for the sepsis then 1 for the pv

just base ability rly, nothing to do with lego i guess

[slow marsh]

yeah that's just sepsis

with it's shitty useless mechanic

[timid cloud]

It's always been that.

Also costs energy.

Which is cringe.

[slow marsh]

ik it's always been like that

that's why it's cringe af

[spice spire]

ask not what is cringe, but who is cringe.

[balmy condor]

ask not about others cringe, but instead why you are the one cringing

[kind talon]

Who is cringe

@spice spire

[balmy condor]

only through self reflection do you realize, you were the problem all along

[kind talon]

True

[slow marsh]

Whispyr the wise

[spice spire]

very truthful take mr. whispyr

but I'd like to have a retort

No, u,

[kind talon]

Do I fit in

Wait is it an or

[balmy condor]

Whispyr, herder of dumb sheeple

[kind talon]

Or an er

[balmy condor]

reflector

is correct

[kind talon]

W

[arctic walrus]

Is this a paradox? Do you herd yourself

[balmy condor]

I'm the black sheep in a sea of white sheep homie

the odd one out

just built differently you know

[arctic walrus]

Blue u mean

[balmy condor]

yeah I do feel blue sometimes

[arctic walrus]

But yeah I gotchu bro

[balmy condor]

are you an empath

that was really cool how you did that

[arctic walrus]

As an empath I knew that was really cool

[kind talon]

I think vel is a psychotropic or whatever they call it

One time he said I was stupid and I realized he was write

It changed my life

[balmy condor]

damn like weed

[arctic walrus]

Wth how did you guess that. Are you a botanist

[balmy condor]

nah I play top lane

[spice spire]

but ur a bottom irl

yeah?

[balmy condor]

depends on the person I guess

that's just how it goes being an empath

you wouldn't understand

[arctic walrus]

This is exactly why I’d let you peg me

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

same tbh

wrong chat tf

[spice spire]

????????????????????????????????????????????

[balmy condor]

I'd peg myself but I always get rock hard and it doesn't bend like that anymore

gotta take muscle relaxers

[arctic walrus]

@balmy condor so can I run doom blade with veinripper and have it be a gain?

[balmy condor]

a gain over a freshly leveled rogue maybe

[arctic walrus]

Ay it’s all about perspective that’s what I’m about

[balmy condor]

xymox add fight mutilate worthless double slappers equipped im foking pumping

[spice spire]

real

[echo geyser]

[arctic walrus]

[echo geyser]

i wont tell

[cerulean nest]

TLDR of the day gents

?

[balmy condor]

xymox dumb fight

it's just p2 denathrius but more boring and even jankier

[arctic walrus]

Ah yes I loooove cn bring it back

[balmy condor]

if the tank grip goes off, and you fly past a trap, the trap triggers

[arctic walrus]

Any council bosses where we have to /dance

[bleak sky]

xymox no bridge;
sepsis bad;
whispyr peg me;
dagger bug incredibly hard to do as sin

that's tldr

[cerulean nest]

ty

[balmy condor]

we had one pull where the tank thing popped, everyone flew back onto the main platform, got stuck halfway from a trap

[arctic walrus]

Focus on your raid bro

[cerulean nest]

whats dagger bug

[balmy condor]

and it literally trapped 70% of the raid and we just sat there

and wiped

[balmy condor]

if you redirect damage through sac/ka, sylv daggers stack to 4 for some reason

[bleak sky]

we're sitting waiting for who knows what on kt

[balmy condor]

except you have to redirect damage that isn't absorbed in any way

so it's basically impossible to do on sin

and still pretty difficult on sub

[cerulean nest]

lol weird

not gonna let that occupy space in my brain for now

glhf

sin set seems bonkers though

for now

[balmy condor]

I'm still convinced its bugged somehow

but I can't find it

[stable fossil]

What’s the dagger bug

Jk I see

[balmy condor]

there's also a whole thing about it in #tc-research

if you wanna read more

[oak sky]

@balmy condor imagine the new dagger scaled with mastery so we could be op like sub

[balmy condor]

why do you choose to type the words in your head

[oak sky]

I love whitelists

:)

Im glad people were right and they did a new dagger setup though

Using sylv dagger offhand forever sounds zzzz

[slow marsh]

You talking about the enlightened dagger thing or wha

?

[arctic walrus]

why is that zz

only farming 1 weapon ez

[slow marsh]

Oh interrogator's daggers ? @balmy condor

[atomic saddle]

Is it true that Duskwalkers Patch looks best for 9.2 right now?

[slow marsh]

Yes

[atomic saddle]

How does assa look overall compared to sub and in general?

Like from an encounter Design pov, numbers are always subject to change

[alpine latch]

Do you guys ever run the execute power on Plaguefall?

[bleak sky]

what exexcute power

[slow marsh]

Axes

[oak sky]

i run it on tyran sometimes

[slow marsh]

Hard to say since nothing is how it's gonnaa be yet

[oak sky]

like if theres a hard boss

[bleak sky]

i always take necrotic + champy brand

[echo geyser]

how do u have sbs and flag? @bleak sky

[bleak sky]

wut

[bleak sky]

oh

it's been there forever

[oak sky]

macro?

[bleak sky]

ya

[echo geyser]

[bleak sky]

mo macro

[oak sky]

i just bind them in the same s[pt

[echo geyser]

no NF gameplay

[atomic saddle]

How much CD reduction does Duskwalkers provide approximately?

[echo geyser]

!dusk

[bleak sky]

no nf yet

soonTM

9.2 huge nf soulshape

[balmy condor]

1:10-1:15

[slow marsh]

yuge

i wonder how much less it gives if they fix the snapshot bug

[subtle iron]

Could someone please remind me how was it called that mechanic when you re-apply a bleed (or a buff/debuff) and it keeps 33% of its remaining duration

[glass tulip]

pandemic

[subtle iron]

Thank you!

[red plaza]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[silk jewel]

Do you hold flag for vend everytime?

[soft shale]

no only if you wont lose a cast in a fight

[glass tulip]

Send it on CD unless it's the last one you'll get, then you can consider holding

[radiant thicket]

Do we use vigor or mark in raid?

[limber lion]

Mark

[radiant thicket]

with what stats should i craft Dashing?

crit/haste?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[fading eagle]

That's not actually true -- for example in a fight that lasts 4:25 you would want to delay both the second and third flag to line up with the 2:00 and 4:00 vendettas, this is because you will not get a 4th flag even by sending on CD, but it is possible to line up three.

[bleak sky]

bruh what

you just sync the last one

[spark scaffold]

No he is right for that specific fight duration

But like

Add 20 seconds and you send on cd

And sync last

Same if you substract 20 seconds

Can you really tell that exactly how long the boss is taking

[pure mauve]

Hi feeligns with rogue in PTR? or it was bugged?

[austere plaza]

just thought i'd ask , but how is NF looking for 9.2 ?

[balmy condor]

It’s fine

[balmy condor]

Looking okay but any nerf to the tier will hit nf harder than any other covenant

[pure mauve]

Do you think next raid is melee or ranged friendly?

[bleak sky]

melee getting absolutely cucked on worm boss

[ripe shale]

Meele always getting cucked

[bleak sky]

SoD was pretty melee friendly imo

[ripe shale]

Didnt do it if im honest

First raid i missed though

[atomic saddle]

Will 9.2 NF assa with dusk legendary synergize well with moonkin for kindred spirits?

[bleak sky]

tier hasn't even begun and this dirty mofo is thinking about externals

[subtle kiln]

as they should be. warriors and enhancement shamans figuring out how to simp for each other.

[atomic saddle]

[gusty adder]

does anyone know what happend to this string for theotar-stats:

profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"

it doesnt seem to work in gear compare anymore

[thorny pond]

Advanced sim your sets

[vestal wren]

its not supposed to work in top gear/gear compare

you can use one individual parameter in those fight styles

[gusty adder]

Aha, forgot that it was under advanced, thanks alot

[ripe shale]

Does the 2 set effect bonespike ?

[nocturne geode]

ye

[ripe shale]

Any test if ct and master poisoner can be good in st too ?

With the 2 set i mean. I dunno if poison bomb is considered poison and is affected

[dawn ivy]

MP is currently the best talent on ptr

but thats like

with only one leggo

it think its also only with 2pc being at 100%

CT is looking like you take it in anything other than single target, and yeah poison bomb interacts with it

[ripe shale]

Cool cool.

[dawn ivy]

to reiterate because i dont want to spread misinformation, MP will almost certainly not be the meta

EP will PROBABLY be the best choice when we get to live, but just check up on the pins when we get closer to live ❤️

[ripe shale]

So the crit chance poison leggo with doomblade could be good too.

[dawn ivy]

well you cant have double rogue leggo

you are forced into one cov leggo and one rogue leggo

[ripe shale]

Ah didnt know that

[dawn ivy]

so sin looks like its going to take venthyr, and then the best legendaries right now are duskwalkers,dashing,doomblade

[ripe shale]

Pretty ass for bone spike

[dawn ivy]

yeah necor leggo is currently a worthless legendary in any ST/prio target content

very unfortunate because SBS works with sins 2pc and 4pc (or its supposed to and will be fixed to do so, it might still be bugged cant confirm)

[ripe shale]

Sbs ?

Ah serrated bone spike

[fringe kraken]

is it going to be good enough in pvp to warrant swapping to necro?

[gusty mirage]

I mean if you can utilize deathspike in any decent way in pvp, then yes it'll probably be good

I don't see it beating dusk/obedience in pvp because obe gives you sin's best pvp stats and gives you cdr on flag

but there are people playing deathspike now in arena, so yeah necro sin should still be very good in arena

[dawn ivy]

sin sounds like its going to be a problem in pvp honestly

1min vendetta with giga shiv is spooky sounding

[gusty mirage]

it'll get tuned down in pvp for sure, even at 50% it's looking like massive burst

[dawn ivy]

with shiv giving you extra healing reduction and not its getting juiced,

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[fringe kraken]

yeah hemotoxin is insane

[gusty mirage]

now cake in a shit ton of damage into your sharpen every 25s

[junior rampart]

Is sin 2p that strong at 100% to compete with other classes? Since we will be losing out frost shard and we lose potential dmg through it.

[gusty mirage]

That depends on what you mean by compete with other classes (truthfully I haven't looked at sims for other classes so I'm dark on that) but whispyr's sims are showing that it's entirely over budget from what blizzard was aiming for with the tier sets with the 2pc at 100%

[dawn ivy]

sub is currently the highest sim in the game at like 14,1

sin is like 13,1 only behind a few classes (frost mage?, enhance, fire?)

[gusty mirage]

is this with dom shards?

[dawn ivy]

without

PROBABLY major speculation

but they might be looking for a 13k average

like maybe 13,4 being the highest going into live

because all the other specs are sitting just below 13k, and then theres a few classes just blowing shit out of the water at like 13,5-14,0

[gusty mirage]

well all these max sims you're talking about are with current bis profiles + double lego, so I wouldn't say they're aiming for a "13k average" going live

they're aiming for a set % increase from the tier sets

not a particular number

[spark scaffold]

aren't rogues supposed to be "top dps" class anyway?

like why would you bring rogue to a raid

[strange python]

Frost and fire are both less than this lol

[spark scaffold]

if a warrior or DK can do same damage

and have raid CDs

[dawn ivy]

most recent sim had fire just above sin and frost JUST below

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty mirage]

I mean this question is asked a million times over, and rogue hasn't been the "top dps" class for a long time. Sylv dagger + dom shards really bolstered rogue this tier

if you want to shit out the damage and be at the top of the meters, the choice has been mage for pretty much ever

[spark scaffold]

might be, but i only started playing in 9.1 so idk what are the "common" questions and state of rogues before

[gusty mirage]

9.0 was an awful time to be a rogue

assassination was unplayable

sub had garbage legendaries

and outlaw was the only one sort of viable

granted you could make all 3 specs work in whatever content you wanted, you just had to work harder to do the same damage other classes were doing

[spark scaffold]

damn

well i can understand the sylv dagger thing as its looking to be bis off hand for sub even for next tier

[gusty mirage]

wasn't until 9.0.5 where they giga buffed assassination where rogues started shining as a class

then they also reworked bone spike & flag

flag was actually a waste of 2 GCDs prior to 9.0.5

[dawn ivy]

9.0 was a psyop by blizzard

outlaw being the best spec for rogue will never be real

it never happened, CN was never real

[gusty mirage]

which sucks cause nathria was a million times more intersting of a raid than sod

[sonic schooner]

Flag before rework

Assa before having slice n dice refreshed when u envenom

Assa 9.0

[strange python]

bro for real, assa sucked so much in 9.0

i could not believe that coming from nyalotha i actually enjoyed outlaw so much in nathria

[frigid kestrel]

Assa before VW

[viscid spear]

Assa before poisons apply faster

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

Yeah, the only worse version than 9.0 Rogue was 8.3 Rogue.

[muted ridge]

I might be late to the party but have you guys seen this?

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=190124/interrogators-vicious-dirk
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=190125/kris-of-intricate-secrets

[bleak sky]

yes, whispyr said it might be a weird item

as the rogue dev isn't 100% sure on what this is

[muted ridge]

I see

[balmy condor]

he's not technically the "rogue dev"

there is no rogue dev

there's just devs that do things

like rogue tier set

[bleak sky]

fair

sowwy

[timid cloud]

Whispyr is the closest thing we have to a dev.

[balmy condor]

you're chillin, I just don't want to put scari under too much community pressure, he already does a ton

but it's not like he's the magic bullet to fix everything

no talent rework 10.0? scarizard fault

[spice spire]

You heard it here first

Prepare your pitchforks, we have a target

[hollow river]

[bleak sky]

that's fair enough on the pressure thing as well

it's already more than nice enough that we have a blizz person reading chat

[spice spire]

Scari seems like a good lad though. Who seemingly has a million jobs, so any amount of attention paid is great work

[arctic walrus]

@balmy condor there is a rogue dev and he’s cute and bowls and has cat ears and I dream about him often

[spice spire]

AYO?

Vel you okay king?

[sand sigil]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=190125/kris-of-intricate-secrets

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=190125/kris-of-intricate-secrets

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=190125/kris-of-intricate-secrets

[subtle tundra]

who

[oak sky]

i wonder if theres other special weapons

[sand sigil]

ah

[balmy condor]

damn king the girls must love you cause you never early

[sand sigil]

im late to the party lol

XD

[bleak sky]

let's hope it's a raid dropo

[nocturne geode]

yea so we can be mad every week

right? @bleak sky

[hollow river]

Wait what are those?

I’m late

[balmy condor]

datamined weapons that no one has any idea about

[hollow river]

Hmm

So no telling if they’d even be for 9.2?

[balmy condor]

might be a raid drop, or not, might be eon replacement, or not, might be a story drop or a world drop, might get tuned, might get removed, might not be anything at all

[hollow river]

They don’t look like the other datamined dagger models

Iirc

[bleak sky]

YEP

[balmy condor]

the model and the icon are revendreth based

so like

maybe pantheon boss drop?

[hollow river]

Yeah I noticed

[bleak sky]

4 weeks into raid and no daggers? MADGE

[balmy condor]

but that's real hard tinfoil

[hollow river]

What’s pantheon

[balmy condor]

quick math says the effect is like 150dps

[bleak sky]

new boss trickz

[hollow river]

Oh

[bleak sky]

council fight

[balmy condor]

so no clue what's happening here

[hollow river]

Ahhh ye

Kk

Yeah it doesn’t look crazy powerful tbh

But a bit of dps is a bit of dps

[bleak sky]

and if it's raid drop maybe it's worth running?

[hollow river]

Unless it’s some world drop shit with no varying ilvl

[bleak sky]

like what's it gonna be

[hollow river]

We don’t know

[bleak sky]

278 or something like that, right?

[hollow river]

No way of knowing atm it seems

The tooltip shows 246

[bleak sky]

oh I just mean general ilvl of raid

[hollow river]

Mythic is 278 I think

[bleak sky]

278 for mythic and 285 for last 2/3 maybe?

[hollow river]

No idea

[bleak sky]

we need more info

[balmy condor]

we don't have any loot tables

[bleak sky]

give info blizz

[nocturne geode]

@balmy condor bets on if there real our set effects them?

[balmy condor]

literally 0 point speculating

[nocturne geode]

🙂

[balmy condor]

I'd say like a solid 99% chance it doesn't

[hollow river]

Yeah I agree

[bleak sky]

but how else am I gonna be mad at the game if I don't make up problems

[balmy condor]

if it did, it would actually hurt the daggers

[hollow river]

Prob whitelisted to our abilities

[nocturne geode]

its a bleed

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

imagine

fucking vendetta

and your dagger procs

and it's 5 seconds now

instead of 10

[hollow river]

[nocturne geode]

but bigger dot

[hollow river]

Don’t think so lol

Stuff like that usually has an iCD

[nocturne geode]

im just saying blizz done wierder things on accident

look at nf right now for example

agreed

[hollow river]

Isn’t blizzard adding a bunch of new macro and hotkey settings

[oak sky]

theyre 246 i bet one drops on malganios

[hollow river]

In 9.2

[oak sky]

malganis

if not both

because dreadlord theme = revendreth

same shit

also makes sense with 2 different daggers because 2 dreadlord bosses

since its a duo fight

[strange python]

Bro

[spare wasp]

could u guys tell me why u chose assa spec over the others?

[strange python]

Are people still going crazy over the daggers that aren’t our special daggers

Lmao

Those are most likely some BoP dog shit that is strictly gonna be 246

I did lfr testing yesterday and the trash dropped several dog shit 246 items

If you think that is the EoN replacement, spoiler: it isn’t

Especially since it has no heroic normal or mythic variants in the database

[balmy condor]

I agree but we have nothing telling us that it isn't

[deft cave]

i mean, if they drop in lfr they will drop in mythic 99%

[balmy condor]

cause they enjoyed the gameplay

[strange python]

I literally just told you it isn’t

[balmy condor]

yeah but you and me are nobodies

[strange python]

It dropped in lfr as a Bind on Pickup, with no lfr label or anything signifying it has other variants

[deft cave]

all bind of pick up from trash packs bizzard put in raid was way lower ilvl than that

[strange python]

well seeing as 246 is current ilvl last 2 heroic

for 9.2 246 is dog shit ilvl

lmao

[deft cave]

it will be strange the suddenly put a lfr exclusive loot with set

[oak sky]

i mean

[strange python]

not when the set has 2 boring ass effects taped onto it

[oak sky]

246 is lfr endboss ilvl next tier

[deft cave]

he said it dropped in trash pack

[oak sky]

yeah

[deft cave]

as a bind on pick up

[oak sky]

we shall see

[deft cave]

and blizzard never did that be4

[strange python]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=184195/plague-etched-gorer?bonus=6935

if I changed the ilvl of this to 246

would you think its some special weapon for 1 hand ppl lmao

[deft cave]

i think is not a trash drop

will think*

[oak sky]

i dont really think anything

they havent given us the loot pool

[strange python]

whatever idk why im even trying to tell people this stuff

no ones gonna listen

[oak sky]

i see it im like oh looks cool it might be cool

[deft cave]

i mean, they never put this type of loot, no matter the special effect, trash loot is or boe or green pick up with 200 less ilvl

never seen other type in ages

idc if they just put there temporaly and will be a world rare drop

just saying 99% sure wont be a raid trash loot

[bleak sky]

it's fun and it does damage

[kind talon]

Wait a dagger set

Imagine if there’s a dagger set bro outlaw just gets even weaker

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[viscid spear]

When was the last time a dagger had a cool model?
As a human every dagger looks like a 2h sword in my hand. Keleseth's Blade of Evocation looks like a goddamn polearm.

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

outlaw got the diver's folly and slappers back to back tiers

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

and we're supposed to feel bad for outlaw rogues?

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

I am king cope of the outlaw copers bro

[gusty mirage]

damn you're like a diet foreverguy

[viscid spear]

An Outlaw Rogue in my raid went Sin for Carapace and got the dagger.
He hasn't raided since.

[austere plaza]

ive seen worse

[balmy condor]

one of our dh's traded veinripper to the other dh, who then quit the next week

we have not seen a veinripper drop since

[bleak sky]

veinrippers are a myth idk man

[austere plaza]

i have one on my monk

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-ooooof-gif-12896777

[bleak sky]

it's worse than daggers somehow

[gusty mirage]

I've been handing out veinrippers like I'm Oprah

[bleak sky]

can I come raid with you for a week oxi

on dh

[gusty mirage]

gave one to our enhance

and then a 2nd to our dh

[bleak sky]

i have pretty logs promise not to suck

[austere plaza]

are those empty promises i hear ?

cause it sounds like the "i'll never drink again" hangover promises

[bleak sky]

naw dh gaming

oxi funnels me veinripper I funnel him 2nd daggies

[thorny pond]

We had a DH who swore you needed two

[gusty mirage]

yeesh

[thorny pond]

May have been me

[gusty mirage]

our DH won the roll for the first vein that dropped for me and let the enhance get her first

it was cute

[austere plaza]

i know a rogue who said you only need 1 dagger

as assasi

[thorny pond]

For sub

I laugh tho

[austere plaza]

i still need a second HC one

but sylvanas just laughs and gives me anima

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-wedding-tradition-gif-17568538

[bleak sky]

oh shit oxi your dh has pretty logs as well

[gusty mirage]

ye cosby's a pumper dude

super cool dude too :3 traded me the fate helm

[thorny pond]

Hey it’s me your new trial

Plz gibe helm

[gusty mirage]

I gave up the helm to an alt the first week cuz I got so much gear

I felt bad

[thorny pond]

Hey it’s me your new trial alt

[bleak sky]

this is why you got 99 on the 9

[kind talon]

What’s dn

[bleak sky]

game knows you're a good guy and gave you good parse

[oak sky]

true

[balmy condor]

hol up

[bleak sky]

not oxi's dh

but oxi's guildie dh

[kind talon]

Hi

[balmy condor]

Mr international, island boy morocco himself

stalking logs

[bleak sky]

I need a place to raid on dh, I don't like the guild I'm trialing with

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/movies-willywonka-charlieandthechocolatefactory-classicmovies-moviegif-gif-3483573

[bleak sky]

one of their officers has the most 2Head takes on everything and I hate it

you're ally beach 😠

[thorny pond]

So

I was horde

I may do it again

I wanted to have a victim complex for once but then they went and made Anduin a big bad

[oak sky]

sadge

[bleak sky]

anduin is just going through a phase

he just lost his dad yknow

[thorny pond]

Should’ve just rezzed his dad

His dad was a BAMFofo

[bleak sky]

wait

you have a point

[thorny pond]

We’re in the land of the dead

Where is he

[bleak sky]

why do people die in wow if wow people know how to battlerez / rez

[thorny pond]

Not even relevant. We saw green dragon lady

Let me see dad and troll doc

[bleak sky]

lore

[austere plaza]

Anduin has basicly gone peak Emo

[thorny pond]

They rehashed malganus for the 20th time

Let me stab another dead thing

[austere plaza]

he needs to gather all the pieces first, takes some time

[thorny pond]

He’s not exodia

Just a guy with a real cool sword

And his son is a shit paladin

[austere plaza]

he's a top tier jiggsaw puzzle

[thorny pond]

Didn’t even cast turn evil

Spell warding Anduin, ever heard of it?

Your dad would’ve spell reflected the fuck outta it

[bleak sky]

tf

is anduin not a priest?

[austere plaza]

he is

[bleak sky]

[austere plaza]

just slightly more plot armored

[thorny pond]

He wears plate

Therefore paladin

And if he’s just stealing armor from other classes, he’s a huntard

[austere plaza]

and baine wears a loincloth and a tree, yet not a druid

[thorny pond]

Jaina is in a cloth slutmog

Bolvar rocking some sick t9 DK tier

[austere plaza]

god i want the missing heritage armor sets

and for blizz to give older druid races the full form makeover , like for trolls , away with the antlers and give them bigass tusks near the beak , no more buttoned on feathers and red color scheme, but foul/swamp green and troll fetishes and shrunken heads

[spice spire]

minalbasap, log stalker.

[bleak sky]

that's me alright you got me

[nocturne geode]

[balmy condor]

[glass tulip]

who dat

[bleak sky]

Divide

[balmy condor]

divide those legs

[glass tulip]

oof

[balmy condor]

[glass tulip]

I heard agogf has an opening

[balmy condor]

agogf? never heard of them

[bleak sky]

they had, right? idk they seem to have a good dh now

[glass tulip]

ah my bad

doms

[balmy condor]

true

idk we're so melee stacked it's not even funny

[bleak sky]

and they want to add sundays for prog

me no likey

whisp's guild I mean

[glass tulip]

im going to stay with this weekend raiding guild for now, schedule is real tight this spring

[balmy condor]

we get like 85 average mythic parse warrior and we have to turn them down cause we already have 2 warriors and 2 dk's and 2 dh's and a rogue and a feral and a ret

and then the ranged apps are like

8/10M with 3 grey parses

and I'm like

wtf man

[glass tulip]

monkaS

should get CE tonight tho. had a 45.2 last night

[bleak sky]

prayge

this is the night

[glass tulip]

its the team like 8th reclear we just had a couple jokesters last night

[balmy condor]

I just checked our roster

we have 11 melee

[bleak sky]

[glass tulip]

that is a lot

[bleak sky]

that's my 2nd gugild

we have 2 wf groups

[glass tulip]

how has mythic testing been? sounds like a couple bosses are pretty melee unfriendly

[balmy condor]

sod was definitely more friendly

some of the bosses are just aids

testing worm boss was fucking awful

the puddles spawn majority in melee

and you have to run out to bait the worm to clear your stacks

like veil on sylv

so you as a melee

just fucking run out and sit there

for 15 seconds

waiting for the boss to do it's thing

[bleak sky]

sounds fun

[balmy condor]

and the ranged is just blasting

[glass tulip]

YEP

[bleak sky]

this means you have a spot for a spriest

[balmy condor]

we have a spriest

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

he's quite good too

but he's french canadian

so

[bleak sky]

oui oui

hon hon oui?

[balmy condor]

his accent is so thick I want to date it

and he's very....

confident

[bleak sky]

but

2Head confident

or............not

[balmy condor]

he gets things done but on his own terms

like we're all stacked during painsmith intermissions

and he's like 7 rows back on the other side of the platform

he doesn't die to it

but he's just out in fucking africa

doing his own thing

and people are like "yo dude stack the healers don't want to spot heal you cause you're 40 yards away"

and he goes "yeah but it's safer back here"

he's very set on just making his own strats for things

versus just taking the group strat

and doing it with everyone else

but because he's a good enough player to not die because of it

he just keeps getting away with it

[glass tulip]

healers should just not spot heal and teach him a lesson

[balmy condor]

well

can't do that

because "Why'd you die?"

"no heals, healer fault"

I'm like 90% sure he died during painsmith intermission from no spot healing

and the healers are like yo you're out in nowhere land

[glass tulip]

"You weren't standing in aoe heals, everyone else was fine"

[balmy condor]

and he goes "no I'm in range, I shadow mended"

and then if you hit it with a "yeah but we're aoe healing not spot healing you 40 yards away"

"you don't need that much aoe healing"

like he just has a smartass answer

to every single thing

[glass tulip]

the french canadian guy on my team was like that too

except he was the tank

and after I left they made him an officer

[austere plaza]

thats doubly painfull

[strange python]

is CT a damage increase on ST o.O

[austere plaza]

not only canadian , but french canadian

[balmy condor]

yes, if you're not using dashing

[strange python]

my other rogue friend CT'ed KT phylactery and i got confused

[balmy condor]

is he running obedience?

[strange python]

nope

[balmy condor]

he's running dashing?

[strange python]

yup

[balmy condor]

then he's clowning

[hollow river]

i casted CT on M kt down phase with dashing

but only because 60% of the time i wasn't in range of the dude

[lean meteor]

Question for keys: I wanna do my 4x garrote into CT right?

[hollow river]

yeah

[oak sky]

first pull snd

[hollow river]

as long as SnD is up

[lean meteor]

Ah ok

Was wondering if I should prio SnD over CT

[hollow river]

yep

[lean meteor]

Got it ty ❤️

[hollow river]

then use envenoms for SnD

while keeping all bleeds up etc

[lean meteor]

Okay and I guess another question would be for like higher-ish keys do I wanna play obedience on tyrannical and zoldyck on fort?

[balmy condor]

can play either

but usually obedience is the play

[lean meteor]

Ok sweet ty

[spark scaffold]

Why is there so much dashing in m+ on subcreation

Ppl being lazy with leggos or just not updated from raid setups?

[balmy condor]

because zerocool is brain rotting the community

[oak sky]

someone had to say it

💀

[balmy condor]

I always take an opportunity to call him out

[spark scaffold]

Im looking for the best pf necro setup, zoldyck is the play there right

[balmy condor]

that's what he gets for playing dumb shit and making us deal with the questions that come out out of it

[spark scaffold]

Would mastery have a lot of value with the haste buff being up so long?

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't say "a lot"

but sure

[spark scaffold]

We play dbl necro for 2x buff per ooze

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[spark scaffold]

So zoldyck and not 0 mastery

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

I think you're overthinking it quite a bit tbh

[spark scaffold]

Is doomblade an option aswell

[balmy condor]

nobody changes their gear because of blobs

doomblade is obedience but worse

[spark scaffold]

I mean last pf i did i had guardian talents, was quite fun

[bleak sky]

whispyr 🤝 calling out 0cold

[glass tulip]

still dont know who that guy is and im gonna keep it that way

[balmy condor]

nochill is rank 1 sin rogue

games out of his mind, mechanics good

but in terms of like thinking about covenant/gear and shit

dumb as a fucking rock

doesn't sim because he thinks he knows better

he's one of the does m+ for 10 hours a day so he gets io by brute force

type of dudes

[subtle kiln]

he also hates when Biz needs to get KFC to pump dps

[kind talon]

Nochill

He’s one of the rogue Voldemorts

He who shall not be named

I think there’s three now?

[soft shale]

rogue just kinda hits diff on the brain sometimes

[brazen zodiac]

guess u could say his brain gone rogue

zzzz

[oak sky]

should be varas smh

[bleak sky]

should be you smh

[oak sky]

not in keys

[bleak sky]

everywher

agreonr1

[oak sky]

even in raid i cant compete with cev

[glass tulip]

@arctic walrus so now can I see what your gear is 🙂

no drop :)

[oak sky]

were you playing ct

[glass tulip]

...

no

[oak sky]

wheres mfd

[hollow river]

he did decent dam tho for a first kill

[oak sky]

yeah thats good

think its a reclear for your guild right?

[glass tulip]

stop leave me alone
I play vigor bc I like it more

yes to reclear

[oak sky]

keep up the good work

even if i disagree with your talent choices :p

[glass tulip]

I was at least better than the sub rogue with 2 sylv daggies

[oak sky]

damn he must suck

[glass tulip]

I cant say, I got called toxic last time I said that

[oak sky]

[glass tulip]

75 parse, not too bad for first try

[oak sky]

not bad at all

[glass tulip]

we hold in p1 too but yeah its whatev

[oak sky]

better damage than i did on my first kill

dont know how your gear stacks up to mine then

but ur definitely doing well

[glass tulip]

gear is solid

[oak sky]

yeah it is pretty solid

i was 248 my first kill

[glass tulip]

ive had this gear for weeks, except for legion items obv

perks of hopping shitty guilds until 23 weeks into the tier lol

[hollow river]

where did you use CD's?

[glass tulip]

p1, p1, burn 1, burn 2, p3, p3, half lust

flag on cd

[hollow river]

oh so you'd flag adds in p2?

or flag on CD in p3

[glass tulip]

no

some holding

[oak sky]

i do flag each burn

sync up 3rd flag in p3 with 2nd vendetta

[hollow river]

same

ah

i find my dps is low

maybe it's just that missing flag cast

[oak sky]

should be 2 flag p1 2 flag p2 and 4 flag p3

[hollow river]

sending it on CD in p3 just sends it into mechanics so i stopped doing it

yeah

[arctic walrus]

and he still got a phial

[hollow river]

but i'd hit flag and get wailing

etc

[oak sky]

i think flag on cd usually ends up being good

if u use insta on 2nd burn

[glass tulip]

I just used burn and then on cd avoiding mechanics in p3

idk I can send a log if you wanna look

[oak sky]

every vendetta should be right after veil in p3

yeah if u want

i mean ur probably not doing anything wrong

[glass tulip]

oh yeah not for review just for your own viewing pleaseure

I can find my own mistakes

[oak sky]

ye

[glass tulip]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ygFbCVtZT79xBvMa#fight=7&type=damage-done

[oak sky]

if you want definite cd timings though i can show you my logs/ tell you

[glass tulip]

yes please, I'll give em a look

[oak sky]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nRxC623dwpNvryPA#fight=25&type=damage-done

[glass tulip]

97 😳

[oak sky]

(rank 24)

[glass tulip]

sheesh bro ur cute

[oak sky]

:3

[hollow river]

llmao

[kind talon]

(rank who asked)

???????????

@oak sky

[hollow river]

LOL

[kind talon]

WHO ASKED

[oak sky]

im just waiting for ceverion to come and body me

[hollow river]

@kind talon

me

i asked

i deleted the message

PeepoShy

[kind talon]

ah of course

[oak sky]

@limber lion when u getting bis gear so you can trash my sylv log

[hollow river]

kinda weird lol ngl

[kind talon]

?????????

cev is raiding again????

[oak sky]

yeah

more casually

[kind talon]

metod?

oh

[glass tulip]

I had 9808 for P3, my best ever

pog

[oak sky]

colour with push @kind talon

[kind talon]

oh wow

nice

[kind talon]

ZAMN!

[bleak sky]

POGGO

[frosty halo]

He guys any tips for a basic rotation in pvp? I’m struggling to get good dps. I keep my dots up and envenom at max combo points idk what else to do

[glass tulip]

good place to ask is #pvp but I mfd kidney into dots

then muts and envenoms keeping dots up as much as I can

[frosty halo]

What’s mfd I’m a newb to this spec lol

[glass tulip]

marked for death

talent

[frosty halo]

Muts?

[glass tulip]

mutilate

[frosty halo]

Okay so that’s all I gotta do? It’s like slowly and steady I die before other people do mostly

When I play sub I just whack people so quick

[glass tulip]

yeah the burst leaves something to want

its quite tough to get good burst

[frosty halo]

Is the mutilate dot legendary a good one to go for?

[glass tulip]

Yeah thats what I use around 1800, but im pretty hardstuck without a regular teammate

its more about not letting them heal

using crippling and wound poisons

• hemotoxin

[frosty halo]

Ok Ty qt

[glass tulip]

[oak sky]

dont you go deadly with hemotoxin since they dont stack?

something like that?

[glass tulip]

idk

im bad

that would be a nice change actually

[gusty mirage]

ye

[bleak sky]

see, oxi secretly rank 1 sin pvp

[gusty mirage]

nah

max rank was like 2012

lol

[bleak sky]

4k glad

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

has to be

[bleak sky]

and you're rank 24 pvp btw

[oak sky]

true

rank 24 everything

[sturdy path]

I’m probably rerolling rogue in 9.2, my alt is already 80 in vent, necro and kyrian. Is NF looking good for assa just in case?

[balmy condor]

its looking okay yeah

doubtful that it'll see play but it's somehow doing decent right now so I guess hell froze over once, it can do it again

[bleak sky]

he's beginning to believe

[balmy condor]

I mean

[sturdy path]

so I’ll get it to 80, just in case. thanks!

[balmy condor]

I won't have to play that monstrosity of a covenant

[bleak sky]

playing kyrian eh

[balmy condor]

playing anything else

[bleak sky]

must feel pretty shitty indeed then

[balmy condor]

I did one round of dummy testing with toxic onslaught

I wanted to puke

literal scum of the earth gameplay covenant

unbelievable anyone has a serious desire to play it

[bleak sky]

i've no idea I'm just here to see big numbers go big

[glass tulip]

^

[bleak sky]

if nf = big numbers so be it

[glass tulip]

I like running around as a corgi

I played nf one week just to flex on my teammates who couldnt soulshape over the Eye beam in raid

[bleak sky]

soulshape is kinda sketch tho

on eye

[glass tulip]

I didnt miss

3/3

[spice spire]

It's only sketch if you're bad

🙂

[bleak sky]

stop saying the truth like that man

[glass tulip]

exactly

or maybe on high ping

[cobalt hemlock]

cant you just cloak or door of shadows the beam tho?

[spice spire]

yes, but mythic cloak may be useful for stacks.
you can also just step to the dude reliably

every single time

[bleak sky]

shadowstep is bis imo

[cobalt hemlock]

where does the step leave you?

[spice spire]

like assuming twelve o clock is the area directly in front of the boss

like 2 o'clock

[balmy condor]

from what the who

2 o'clock?

[spice spire]

yes

[balmy condor]

oh from the perspective of the boss

[spice spire]

yes

[balmy condor]

MAN WHAT

[spice spire]

which I guess I should have said

listen homie, it's been 23 hours

[faint harness]

Why not just say 8-9

[spice spire]

because that's from six o'clock ig

[faint harness]

Well ye the pov a player actually has

[bleak sky]

this is how it's been going for me

and mirrored if coming through the other side

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/man-what-boy-if-you-dont-annoyed-gif-11441642

the step in that ms paint drawing puts you directly into the beam

the fuck you talking about

[bleak sky]

tf you want me to do

i cant draw it any closer

it's gonna fuck my proportions

[balmy condor]

draw an accurate diagram

idk

[bleak sky]

you got no taste in art

[balmy condor]

here I'm on a laptop track pad

[spice spire]

if you 12, the pov wouldn't it be like 10 o'clock looking directly at the boss? I figured using the arena as a clock is the best means

[balmy condor]

you give me 5 minutes

[spice spire]

bro, I'll do it from my phone one sec

[balmy condor]

I will make a better diagram

yo ass is grass

[bleak sky]

so you two trash on my logs

trash on my art

I see how it is

[spice spire]

Literally right on the black mark

I’ve never trashed your logs, mr. minalba.

[bleak sky]

cheater using external tools

tsc tsc tsc

[spice spire]

????

[bleak sky]

where's the paint art quake

[spice spire]

bro nah

[balmy condor]

stay free

[oak sky]

uh

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-final-fantasy-vii-ffvii-frog-dance-gif-16104435

[oak sky]

it brings you to like where the yellow guy is

wtf

[balmy condor]

yes

that's the point

[oak sky]

true

yeah

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/828734990098890764/912882784903761920/image0.gif

@bleak sky

[oak sky]

screenshotting

[balmy condor]

dude spends too much time drawing a happy face and daggers

[oak sky]

i got mald

fuck

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

it's art

you wouldn't get it tbh

[balmy condor]

yeah true

what am I

an art student?

[spice spire]

Mad cuz bad is all I got here boys

[bleak sky]

next time i'm gonna add your avatar's hair color

[balmy condor]

seething

haters wanna be me

wants to draw me cause he can't handle it

[spice spire]

He forgot the cat ears all along

Also this dude still has his Christmas avatar on no shot

[bleak sky]

fixed

(:

[balmy condor]

Sure

You did great son

We’ll put it on the fridge

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

Mom will be so proud

[bleak sky]

raidbots kingping, trackmania conoisseur, part-time father figure

man does it all

[balmy condor]

Yeah I use the special raidbots that gives me 10% extra dps

And instantly tells me what the best item is

[bleak sky]

so that's the mimiron power huh

[balmy condor]

Yeah but keep it a secret

We don’t want anyone to know this 1 weird trick to get extra damage

[bleak sky]

🤐

[balmy condor]

Theorycrafters hate him

[glass tulip]

Do you pronounce it meemeeron or mim iron

[bleak sky]

dw i'm not making a clickbait video about it, we're cool

[balmy condor]

Mim eh ron

[glass tulip]

I see

I'm a shadowlands n00b I don't know the lore

[balmy condor]

I mean I have no idea if I’m pronouncing it right either

But mim eh Ron sounds right in my head

So

That’s what I’m going with

[glass tulip]

I can't read, numbers only

[bleak sky]

sounds right I guess?

[glass tulip]

Can't wait to not get daggies in my vault now that I'm eligible

[bleak sky]

I say it like this guy here

https://youtu.be/inLE4HXGPGI?t=19

in timestamp

[glass tulip]

I think that counts as mim eh ron

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s how I say it

But I don’t annunciate that second “i” as hard

I kinda slur through it tbh

[bleak sky]

word too long not worth the effort

[balmy condor]

It’s almost a British pronunciation

Now that I think about it

I grew up learning english from an Australian

I still spell it colour and armour sometimes

[bleak sky]

both correct so it worky

[balmy condor]

I got marked down on an English paper one time cause I said color and then colour later on

For inconsistency

[bleak sky]

huhh

who cares tf

[balmy condor]

My insane english teacher

[bleak sky]

power hungry teachers 😠

[glass tulip]

aluminium head ass

[vale marten]

necro will neve rbe the play next patch right?

[shut garnet]

probably not, deathspike sucks ass

[vale marten]

excelent, no need to get renown up then

[vestal wren]

could be good in m+ tho

[gusty mirage]

If you need to cloak stacks on the eye your group is actually terrible

[thorny pond]

We do the one entire raid (- tank ) on one side then swap to the other except for me, I stay and just cloak the refresh and can solo it down the last bit fairly easily

[gusty mirage]

We do that too, but we just get our brewmaster to touch it

Inappropriately

[thorny pond]

Yeee ours can too