cause that's how I like to do it
#assassination
strange python
limber lion
Well, there is no new sims since a month ago
strange python
they changed at some point
strange python
aight word, that answers enough
limber lion
Everything has been the same for several months now
strange python
thanks
spice spire
Assassination FAQ mostly still has current content -
limber lion
Yeah, which were last updated 3 months ago :P
spice spire
Only change is the mfd change, yeah?
gusty mirage
yes
limber lion
Yup
spice spire
But nothing really changed from that in a while
strange python
"look at logs" 
limber lion
They play the same shit
gusty mirage
"look at logs" <:KEKW:635224208917659649>
yep that's the new meta
limber lion
regardless of externals or not
weak plover
lol
spice spire
You found the meta 
gusty mirage
same shit with 50 externals
limber lion
Literally nothing has changed
But yeah, I did an SD yesterday where I did around 13.1k overall dps with Nadja
I doubt a Theotar would have skyrocketed me to 15k
weak plover
Hasn't sin Meta stayed exactly the same since the start of 9.1...?
oh... Farm yourself a Faulty Countermeasure...
limber lion
Hasn't sin Meta stayed exactly the same since the start of 9.1...?
Pretty much with the introduction of slightly different talent and legendary choices
Changes in a nutshell:
- Play Dashing with Frost r5
- EP/MFD every time
- Faulty Countermeasure/COS ring
spice spire
I doubt a Theotar would have skyrocketed me to 15k
But brother that 3% crit chance
limber lion
Theotar sims a mighty 40 dps higher than Nadja, and WPS sims a mighty 10 dps lower than PK
I'm never changing soulbinds/conduits for m+, save yourself the trouble as well
:D
weak plover
I havent tried MFD on sin. I am scared to try it lol
limber lion
MFD is super simple to play with
It gets annoying with multiple adds though ngl
Fine on every boss, except KT
KT is just awful
gusty mirage
KT is probably the worst fight ever designed
copper sundial
it is indeed garbage
spice spire
Stone legion is my counter point
gusty mirage
SLG was just bugged to hell
gusty mirage
I wiped like 35 times to mythic KT
and I'd rather wipe 185 times to painsmith again
limber lion
The rng nature of the fight and the countless bugs just made it unbearable
bleak sky
But brother that 3% crit chance <:HmmHmmHmm:917288643373195305>
you mean vers
limber lion
It was fine in the ptr then they decided to turn every notch up by 23578989234578934578%
Oh fuck
bleak sky
wait did they test kt on ptr?
limber lion
Yes
weak plover
Oh fuck MFD is 30 sec. I thought it was 1 min
limber lion
We ain't outlaw
nimble thicket
MfD is juiced as sin
arctic walrus
yw
slow marsh
np
spice spire
weak plover
Wait. If the cooldown is 30 seconds and the cooldown resets if a target dies within 1 min does that mean you can have mfd up on multiple targets?
slow marsh
think about htat one again
weak plover
Just thinking if I cast MFD on a target and 30 seconds later cast again but first target dies at like 31 seconds. I still get the reset.
slow marsh
I mean yeah but what's the use case for that
It's too niche to really matter in practice to me
weak plover
You right
slow marsh
resets are nice but it's not the reason we take mfd
soft shale
it does happen quite a bit in m+ that is why you mfd off target same as outlaw
slow marsh
true I was speaking from raid perspective
since it's generally better to just take vigor in m+
cerulean nest
when did blizzard boy say they'd have a tier set update for us? pretty soon right?
cerulean nest
ah
oak sky
Probably this week tbh
kindred rapids
Why not use mfd in dungeons, I quite like it.
kindred rapids
Yeah, I guess I'm just used to having it at this point
Since I'm always using it in raid
limber lion
Yeah, it's quite a bit different in raid though because you don't really use it too too much to snipe resets
But in m+ that's consistently a thing
kindred rapids
True, but doesn't it still compete without getting a lot of resets?
Feels like only upside if you do
limber lion
It does yeah, but why play a talent if you're not playing it optimally
:P
Vigor is just a lot easier to play and makes for a much smoother opener with the 4 garrotes
But they're both definitely fine, each to their own!
kindred rapids
Hmm yeah energy on opener can be awkward
round swift
So question. Are we swapping to NL and duskwalkers for raid in 9.2?
bleak sky
Too early to tell.
As it stands night fae is the highest simming single target but expect nerfs, tuning etc etc etc etc
oak sky
sheeesh i just got kt shoulders and legs
fallow otter
Each to their own
slow marsh
rip indeed
arctic walrus
lost avoidance KT shoulders to an officer
that's what u get for stealing tek
bleak sky
sheeesh i just got kt shoulders and legs
jesus christ
gusty mirage
sheeesh i just got kt shoulders and legs
lemme borrow some of your loot juju for my vault tomorrow
dawn ivy
that's what u get for stealing tek
wait is that where we stole him from, lmfaoooo
oak sky
@limber lion i cant do it man
inland hull
Woot! First timed +20! SD!
oak sky
congrats buddy!
inland hull
Ty!
slow marsh
The plus of not getting into a boost for the week is that i can troll the shit out of an aotc group
slow marsh
damn i didn't even think of that
spice spire
bleak sky
fat envenoms
spice spire
I feel like 2s Kyrian sub is just better
bleak sky
you sure you weren't watching kyrian sub in pvp?
he did a couple of videos
gusty mirage
mod + sub + ignored
it be that way sometimes
arctic walrus
Why are you a mod tho
bleak sky
oxi secretly rank 1 rogue
gusty mirage
oxi secretly rank 1 rogue
oxi never been duelist
slow marsh
oxi rank 1 mod tbh
spice spire
Nah he does mod abuse
balmy condor
spice spire
Wtf is that
arctic walrus
🤨
oak sky
gz
hollow river
didn't start trying until yesterday 
hollow river
it's decently difficult ngl
my guildies kept telling me to only press FoK
ain't no way hombre
kindred rapids
I thought it was harder than the sub one
9k dps on my first painsmith kill, lets go
soft shale
i might try the assa one for fun
kindred rapids
and somehow 11.3k on guardian is a blue parse 
soft shale
wonder how it feels with like 32% leech
fallow otter
wonder how it feels with like 32% leech
Answer: good
marble hemlock
~20ish is enough already, if you do like 1.3k dps youll be at 100% almost permanently
drifting cloud
legit just logged in one day and was mod
I didnt scroll up and thought you were talking about green name 
gusty mirage
I didnt scroll up and thought you were talking about green name <:RHmods:8769804...
similar story
balmy condor
gusty mirage
<:RHmods:876980498923147294>
normal mist
My dear rogue friends, I am now level 27. Wishing everyone an amazing day!
raven vapor
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
spice spire
My dear rogue friends, I am now level 27. Wishing everyone an amazing day!
Happy birthday king 
Have a great one
zealous marsh
My dear rogue friends, I am now level 27. Wishing everyone an amazing day!
All shiny 100 and myth sylv daggers 
normal mist
All shiny 100 and myth sylv daggers <:thanksfriend:585740413684416539>
Thanks dude! (I just need to raid mythic now!)
heavy roost
We thinking sin or sub going to be higher ST for raid in 9.2?
void carbon
What is better ask mr robot or raidbots
spice spire
Won’t know until closer to 9.2.
With expected tuning and whatnot
spice spire
What is better ask mr robot or raidbots
Raidbots
void carbon
Raidbots
Thank you
What is the difference between the two when I have defend my self when people ask about the two
spice spire
from my understanding, ask mr. robot is just outdated, and raidbots provides a lot more tools that show top gear, and upgrades as well.
Since 8.3, raid bots has been the de facto so anyone who’s worked with AMR can give you a better answer
thorny pond
Ask Mr.Robot is not open source and we can't verify the validity of the statements or data the use
spice spire
thorny pond
SimC is essentially open and a community project, peer reviewed and checked. It is a tool that basically is only is as good as the people who put time and effort into it, however. Rogue is probably the best kept theorycrafting community and our SimC reflects the amazing work our Green/Orange guys put in
strange python
^ true
neither DH or Mink discord do these types of theorycrafting. whenever i wanna see if there's something new i just check pins here
void carbon
Awesome thank you so much for all the hard work! I’m going to buy a sub for raidbots!
thorny pond
SimC is also more malleable and usable if you want to make changes to APLs to just tinker with rotations or ideas as well
strange python
pins on monk and especially DH discords are just memes from SL launch
spice spire
I won’t short change the DH too much, they’ve done a bit of theory crafting this tier
thorny pond
Not putting down those communities, but rogue has seen some big changes from the start of the xpac to now in terms of viability
void carbon
I’ve notice that rogue discord is very active and super helpful
strange python
hats down for Guy, Wispyr and the rest
spice spire
I can’t say for past tiers,
But it’s still nothing compared to what the boys do here
thorny pond
So 9.0 for rogues is vastly different versus 9.0 for DH or Monk that hasn't really seen as many changes as we have
- we are one of the few classes that doesn't just use the UH set bonus, so a lot of extra work was put in there. I know DH now have those sims as well
spice spire
Yep, they also had a major covenant/build/legendary change a couple of months into the tier
void carbon
That is good and the community is growing! And people are engaging to help fellow players become better and understand the game and rotation
thorny pond
US servers up for all you vault bois
bleak sky
Bless thy vaults
spice spire
Best of luck Mr. beach
bleak sky
thorny pond
Mr.Beach is vaulted out but thank you
spice spire
I know you’re geared to the tens, but hope you get a great piece
void carbon
Good luck on vault everyone!
spice spire
You too. Mr. Minalba
spice spire
My vault is gonna be shit, mythic was canceled and I crunched some vault 2s
bleak sky
Wtb kt pants/neck/shoulder
spice spire
But we secured the faulty 
thorny pond
Nice
Monk got his ring and trinkets early, rogue was at 50+ of each and I didn't get either
so win some, lose some
thorny pond
Not gonna be mad, it's end of tier and lately in raid we've bene missing either a monk/dh/warrior buff
so can't really crack top 100 world, few top 50 USs but that's a joke kek
I'm a "we have 3 hpals with no DPS sets, and 7 healers total and nobody but me has a DPS viable alt/spec" guy
void carbon
Is blizzard going to remove the target cap from outlaw?
thorny pond
We have hardly any DPS on our roster, it sucks
spice spire
Is blizzard going to remove the target cap from outlaw?
This is where I’d meme and @ an outlaw person.
But probably not 😛
void carbon
This is where I’d meme and @ an outlaw person.
But probably not 😛
Lmao
spice spire
We have hardly any DPS on our roster, it sucks
Fuck dude, alliance problems?
void carbon
I’ve notice a lot more healers and tanks for raids and lack of dps in most guilds it crazy times for sure in wow
bleak sky
beach is alliance? 
thorny pond
DPSing right now is kind of a "feelsbadman". If you aren't getting simped, it's not great for parsing
Beach is alliance
thorny pond
there's a dozen of us, a dozen!
spice spire
Dw all of you regular names are known
thorny pond
15 years a hordie though, so I know what's up
spice spire
Fellas be log watching
void carbon
DPSing right now is kind of a "feelsbadman". If you aren't getting simped, it's ...
I’m old so what do you mean by that statement lol
thorny pond
Yea, I'm the underground alliance repping, rogue. Filter by US alliance, east coast 2 day and you get me top 1
spice spire
I’m old so what do you mean by that statement lol
If you’re not receiving externals, you’re not parsing well
thorny pond
I’m old so what do you mean by that statement lol
^
void carbon
If you’re not receiving externals, you’re not parsing well
Ok make since with PI and druid kyrin buff
spice spire
Externals such as kindred affinity (Kyrian Druid) PI (priest) faeries (NF priest)
All that good shit
thorny pond
It's such a game changer to get 1, let alone getting multiple PIs, KA, Faeries, etc
spice spire
KA feels so stupid
void carbon
Yeah No matter how hard I try I can’t be some people in our raid team due to that
spice spire
I play like shit and do 1k more dps
thorny pond
Like I got KA this week, no monk buff, US 40th Gotf1, it's so stupid how much free DPS you get for essentially no work
bleak sky
thorny pond
Muts always hitting for 4cp, scuffing up my flag windows
rapid flame
remove all external buffs that takes power from yourself (one player) and gives it to another change my mind
bleak sky
i've been trying to get a simp druid but they don't want to simp 
spice spire
remove all external buffs that takes power from yourself (one player) and gives ...
Bear tank doesn’t need power 
spice spire
i've been trying to get a simp druid but they don't want to simp <:Sadge:7493892...
Luckily I found a willing bear
thorny pond
Externals aren't bad, they honestly add a layer to the game that can help get over hurdles or help on bosses, but currently, on farm, it's an arms race
rapid flame
externals are a plague idk
spice spire
The shadow priest 
thorny pond
If you aren't getting them, it's so trash
rapid flame
make it be useful raid utility or something instead
spice spire
Nah I’m with beach here
I think they’re good for jumping the hurdle, but on farm it’s just a feelsbad
thorny pond
but for example, PIing our Boomkin in P1 sylvanas essentially eliminated a mechanic
rapid flame
having boomins in p1 sylvanas eliminates that mechanic already i think
thorny pond
We have 1
rapid flame
hm
thorny pond
so PIing during both RFs
rapid flame
remove boomies
thorny pond
it's giga
barren stirrup
do you actually use cheap shot in your rotation with the talent that makes it do dmg?
thorny pond
no
rapid flame
im just an external hater, mostly cause externals are directly tied to player power and it sucks when this can only be provided to x amount of people in whatever content you're doing
spice spire
do you actually use cheap shot in your rotation with the talent that makes it do...
Not in a boss right
Since they’ll not be stunned
bleak sky
so PIing during both RFs
just push faster 
thorny pond
Lets circle back around to lack of DPS
thorny pond
We don't have many on demand single target specs on our roster either
It's basically me, the boomkin, and a feral
3 Hpals, resto sham, resto druid, h priest, MW
bleak sky
just 1 pi available
bleak sky
that's just rough
thorny pond
Meh, I wish that it wasn't me getting punished every raid by being the one to always flex into DPS
Working on my sin parses now
spice spire
TFW you 91 guardian with 100 higher dps than sub 97
F.
This is the week I’ll get a phial in the vault because all my keys were 2s
spice spire
I’m not getting to go as in depth as I want, but I don’t see any “screwed up hard” moments
I’d assume with ep/vig you’re not hitting 30 flag stacks so you’re not missing a final flag 
bleak sky
I’m not getting to go as in depth as I want, but I don’t see any “screwed up har...
that's the only one I could find
here as well but
idk if that's the diff between a purple and an orange
spice spire
Yeah that’s why I said “hard” is a bit much here
Hard is like missing a major thing like a vanish or a shiv/over capping , not this 
bleak sky
fair fair
slow marsh
the time has come
i leveled an alt just so i can open a vault before my rogue vault since apparently that's the secret sauce
bleak sky
it's not
spice spire
Survival hunter 🤨
Isn’t an alt
It’s a lifestyle
Because you gotta min-max to stay relevant
slow marsh
well i'm ngl it's been pretty fun so far minus the whole never getting into a group because it's 217 ilvl
also the fact that nobody really knows what they're doing on it means exploring is fun
sturdy mesa
This is the week I’ll get a phial in the vault because all my keys were 2s
Had this but with neck from spires :))
whole bluff
Is assa supposed to sim lower than sub or is it just my gear
bleak sky
prob gear
gusty mirage
Is assa supposed to sim lower than sub or is it just my gear
Depends on a variety of reasons, but with bis profiles sub wins
drifting cloud
sims are fake stop the count!!
slow marsh
sim bait
whole bluff
Sub is like +200 without and +300 with wf, probably a bigger difference with kyrian sub
slow marsh
it is
whole bluff
Just trying to decide what to play on KT tonight lol, our boomkin kills adds too fast
desert vault
Lashing Scars is pretty much from World Boss or Sire Denathrius correct? I'm just getting Sin spec geared up, coming from Sub
brave steeple
you can get an upgrade up to 239 from the korthia weekly as well I believe
you can use the 500g tome to get all conduits at 200 to get the first version and the weekly should give you a 213
desert vault
oh? I need to run the weekly quest as sin, always forget to swap
and what is the tome?
brave steeple
cerulean nest
haste mastery neck lets gooooo
strange python
Damn, playing as Sin Rogue made me realize how easy I had it has a DH
spice spire
Wdym
Both are pretty easy tbh. But I’d say they’re about equal on difficulty
spice spire
Oh aoe stuff, sure
marble magnet
When exsanguinate says targets bleed faster, does that mean the dot falls off earlier?
gusty mirage
Yes
Don’t play exsanguinate it’s a bad talent
Needs a giga amount of haste to even be relevant
marble magnet
was it good in legion
gusty mirage
Dunno I played sub rogue in legion
But it was only good in 8.3 due to the stat corruptions
Right now it’s actually less dps than not picking a talent at all
marble magnet
I remember when slice and dice was a talent and a dps loss
why are there talents like this
gusty mirage
Because blizzard likes setting deadlines for shit and when they can’t make the deadline they throw in what sounds good without any relevant testing (see: alacrity for sub on the same row as the talent with a 2nd dance charge and more cdr on dance)
void carbon
Is night fae going to be solid in 9.2
bleak sky
as it stands yes but too early to tell
wait for balance changes, tier set tuning, double leggo tuning yadda yadda yadda
desert vault
I'm just looking at Conduit setups for Sin and I see some with m+ using Nadjia and only taking 2 of 3 Potency?
bleak sky
I'm just looking at Conduit setups for Sin and I see some with m+ using Nadjia a...
shouldn't make too much of a difference
void carbon
Wonder when there going to be testing double Lego
gusty mirage
Dauntless is more beneficial than our conduits
Our conduits outside of lashing and I guess wps kinda suck
desert vault
Oh ok, yeah I see that now ... makes sense
bleak sky
Our conduits outside of lashing and I guess wps kinda suck
don't talk about PK like that 
gusty mirage
don't talk about PK like that <:TerraAngy:741302428455927819>
Scales FoK dam but not crit chance
desert vault
And the choice between Nadjia and Theotar for m+ is kinda 50/50? I'm not pushing massive keys, just like 15-20s
spice spire
don't talk about PK like that <:TerraAngy:741302428455927819>
Pk garbage
spice spire
And the choice between Nadjia and Theotar for m+ is kinda 50/50? I'm not pushing...
Theo’s generally better but if you roll a tragic tea it’s fine
bleak sky
Scales FoK dam but not crit chance
wait
gusty mirage
And the choice between Nadjia and Theotar for m+ is kinda 50/50? I'm not pushing...
Theo ends up being better as the soulbind is just better, but tbh it’s minimal either way
bleak sky
does the 5% increased not work?
spice spire
At that key level play matters a lot more
gusty mirage
does the 5% increased not work?
The flat 5% is tragic
If the crit chance and damage scaled with ilvl maybe it’d be not awful
But like you could play maim mangle and I doubt you’d even notice a difference in your overall #
desert vault
And Nadjia is generally better for raid?
bleak sky
ya but I like being deceived by the extra crit on fok
spice spire
And Nadjia is generally better for raid?
Still theo, tea is real nice
gusty mirage
ya but I like being deceived by the extra crit on fok
Same, I love rolling around with a 60% crit chance on fok and getting 2cp 
spice spire
But difference is still minimal
spice spire
Same, I love rolling around with a 60% crit chance on fok and getting 2cp <:COPI...
The beta vampire vs the chad Necrolord
desert vault
I run Theo on sub, but maybe will switch just for something different while I get gear and such for Sin
spice spire
Getting 5 CP foks with only 44% crit
desert vault
I'm not really pushing any hardcore stuff, just first 3 mythic farm, some light keys, etc
gusty mirage
The beta vampire vs the chad Necrolord
Dead covenant + L + washed + dried + but yet somehow still stinky
spice spire
viscid spear
https://www.wowhead.com/news/incense-of-infinity-now-available-instantly-learn-a...
I also want to add, in case it hasn't been said or people weren't aware, tgis item gives you ALL conduits at 200. Even the Covenant ones for Covenants you haven't even joined. It only shows the one for your current Covenant. 
slow marsh
Same, I love rolling around with a 60% crit chance on fok and getting 2cp <:COPI...
i mean i'm no gamer like you
but i prefer lethal + wps in keys still
i think wps for bosses / prio targets is too good
gusty mirage
All PK does compared to LP is make you feel better about pushing FoK
slow marsh
if PK was 15% crit then i'd play it
gusty mirage
Yeah the fact that the crit doesn’t scale whatsoever with ilvl is tragic
viscid spear
was it good in legion
There was a time near the tailend of BfA where Exsang could be decent, but that was only through stacking Expedient 3s and Shrouded Suffocations.
slow marsh
why do fire mages get crit scaling but the class that should have a crit identity get nothing
gusty mirage
Because mages are the true hero class of wow
thorny pond
We get more CP
spice spire
We get more CP
Bro I love club penguin
thorny pond
I'll club your penguin?
spice spire
That’s illegal
gusty mirage
Bro I love club penguin
You too??
slow marsh
we dont get more cp though
thorny pond
I can prove using maffs that more crit for us = more damage
slow marsh
it's capped
thorny pond
at 100% you donut
thorny pond
recruitment officers
spice spire
Year of the spear BABY
slow marsh
in all seriousness though it's looking like the WW killer in 9.2 idk
WW needs help with their tier big
can't wait to see what news we get this week
for all
thorny pond
Return of the Devs (from slumber)
spice spire
(From slumber)
slow marsh
(From Slumber)
gusty mirage
WW needs help with their tier big
No no they don’t
They’ve had all expac it’s okay for them to be bad for a tier
slow marsh
well yeah true
I just mean that if they stay how they are now it seems like surv gonna be a better WW from what i've seen
spice spire
They’ve had all expac it’s okay for them to be bad for a tier
8.3 reparations
Survival hunters should be a hero spec for a tier
Down cataclysmic rn
slow marsh
They still would get meme'd on
alpine latch
RIP. Never did get faulty or the ring
It's okay, I needed to give my guild a chance to catch up anyway
oak sky
@gusty mirage imma need you to bless my vault for when i open it soonTM
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> imma need you to bless my vault for when i open it soonTM
Only if you bless mine back
alpine latch
Hey Oxi, can you unlock my vault to drop Mythic gear?
I'm tired of just getting heroic gear all the time
bleak sky
swapping guilds is always an option 👀
alpine latch
Naw
We're starting Mythic tonight, actually
Like half of our guild has killed 2 or 3 bosses, we just haven't done it together.
We should get to Painsmith relatively easily (we just need to fill a roster hole or two along the way)
bleak sky
spice spire
Roster boss is biggest boss tbh
Remnant and soulrender is a big step up from first three
Then painsmith is omega jump
Then a free boss, then what should be a free boss
glass tulip
painsmith is so fun
spice spire
Then KT which is 50/50, and sylv and it’s done, ez
bleak sky
painsmith is so fun
since they removed p1 balls it just feels sad
glass tulip
It really does
bleak sky
I hope next tier we get to bosses before they omega nerf the shit out of them 
gusty mirage
<:prayge:803711491021733888> good vault for oxi
Inshallah your vault is filled with the fattest of the loot brother
bleak sky
spice spire
Inshallah your vault is filled with the fattest of the loot brother
No u brother
I got the greatest vault of all this week, the faulty countermeasure
So I sacc’d the vault
drifting cloud
drifting cloud
no outlaw vaults you need that leech eon for next tier!
spice spire
Ryler knows the vibes
bleak sky
I just realized beach is one lucky mofo
unless raiderio is not updated
but 4 sylv kills and double daggers
simple rivet
yo, why is vigor still being used in most recent top logs if mfd is just clearly better? There's a large portion of rogue's still using vigor with kills this last week in the top 100 on most fights
hollow river
I need to find another guilds farm to step in
bleak sky
dude is STACKED
bleak sky
yo, why is vigor still being used in most recent top logs if mfd is just clearly...
people are lazy
vigor is comfy
they're getting 200 externals
lots to consider
spice spire
I just realized beach is one lucky mofo
Fellas really do be log watching
bleak sky
the thought came to me right now, i was looking at his rio earlier today
when I found out he's ally
spice spire
It’s okay mr. minalba, I know you have a spreadsheet of every sin rogue in the discord
bleak sky
perhaps
spice spire
slow marsh
🧢
bleak sky
you'll never know
spice spire
Ofc
oak sky
Leak leak leak leak
bleak sky
don't tell him quake wtf man
spice spire
Don’t make me leak mr. minalba
bleak sky
spice spire
I got the sauce
slow marsh
i love spread
spice spire
I love spreadsheet
Okay nerd
oak sky
Pog
balmy condor
Pog
bleak sky
edit
balmy condor
Finger slipped 
brazen zodiac
hiwhisupr :D
balmy condor
Hello
oak sky
@gusty mirage research vault 
regal cloud
Yo did you know if by any chance evnom is affected by mastery ?
limber lion
Sure is
regal cloud
pog thx
wild lion
i love my frost set
whole bluff
try critting more
gusty mirage
LETS GO
pure moth
grats
oak sky
LETSFUCKINGGO
subtle tundra
American, go away
oak sky
@gusty mirage ill get the luck tonight
whole bluff
Oxi who did you sacrifice this time
gusty mirage
Oxi who did you sacrifice this time
I sacrificed my sanity
wild lion
try critting more
already playing with faulty c. and titanic ocular :(
gusty mirage
@sand sigil 
glass tulip
877-Sylv-Now
limber lion
I can't wait to do Sylv in 2 days and get blasted by Push
spice spire
Mad jealous
spice spire
Wish I was blasted by push
gusty mirage
I'd give my left nut to play with push
spice spire
I’d give both
limber lion
Guide writers, Pushnoir and Ceverion
God I want to get my dagger and shoulders and THEN get KA
that would be dope
can't wait
never had ka before
spice spire
Method Colour when
oak sky
gusty mirage
no external blues
I managed a no external purple on guardian
oak sky
aint never seen a blue
limber lion
aint never seen a blue
sorry, greens*
timid cloud
At least you weren’t missing a monk debuff.
oak sky
if it was like 4:20 ish i think i can do 12.4k
limber lion
Damn ya'll are insane
timid cloud
Idk what I wanna run tonight for it.
limber lion
Same, a daggy and shoulders
timid cloud
Then again, we’re doing 1-9-10...
oak sky
we do like
timid cloud
Pray we get daggy.
oak sky
1-9-10-8-2....
oak sky
play better 
alpine latch
Do we know what our stat prio looks like in 9.2 so far? I'm assuming we don't need 40%+ crit anymore
timid cloud
inland hull
I'm a blue parse hero this tier, but I've got my eye on purples next tier
oak sky
oh well
timid cloud
I need another dagger & I’m done.
oak sky
same
timid cloud
I only sim 11.6
timid cloud
Wtb 12.4K sim like Outlaw.
oak sky
wut
bleak sky
Do we know what our stat prio looks like in 9.2 so far? I'm assuming we don't ne...
no
wait for patch notes and balancing
timid cloud
Sec. I’ll drop it here, it might’ve changed.
alpine latch
I'm trying to figure out what to grab from the vault since we probably won't be needing this much crit.
bleak sky
I'm trying to figure out what to grab from the vault since we probably won't be ...
doesn't matter for 9.2
just sim it lol
timid cloud
I do like 5 sims.
alpine latch
Since I can't really get much of an upgrade most weeks
glass tulip
I rolled crit tea into crit tea the day is blessed
inland hull
Sorcery
alpine latch
just sim it lol
Yeah, that's my point.. When I don't have an upgrade (which is every week), I'm looking for 252 items in my Dom socket areas a lot of times. Trying to figure out what's good.
bleak sky
it'll be irrelevant
oak sky
a lot of our dom slots become tier sets
timid cloud
Did they show which pieces?
bleak sky
yes
alpine latch
Sure, but that doesn't mean I can't hold on to stuff now in case it's decent-ish once Dom Shard power goes away
bleak sky
normal raid shsould drop 252 ilvl stuff
timid cloud
Idk about you chief, but only the set is going away.
bleak sky
so it's probably irrelevant yeah
alpine latch
Did they show which pieces?
helm, shoulders, chest, gloves, pants
oak sky
pretty sure gloves didnt have the tier on ptr wasnt it boots or something
timid cloud
So I’m keeping my dom socket pieces until that ish gets replaced & I will still keep it after just in case of sylvie sales.
oak sky
gotcha
timid cloud
Ty I scope it right now.
alpine latch
It's possible that's out of date
inland hull
I need a cloak so I can actually swap to my zold leggo
oak sky
idk
spice spire
It’s gloves
bleak sky
I need a cloak so I can actually swap to my zold leggo
necro fella?
oak sky
maybe im stupid
spice spire
You can also PTR
bleak sky
oak sky
i swear i remembered gloves not having bonus on ptr
spice spire
And see which pieces they’re tied to 
alpine latch
A gauntlet (traditionally) is a leather or metal glove
oak sky
guess i rembered wrong
alpine latch
It's all good
clever kindle
6th reserved slot probably belt ye?
inland hull
Venthyr, but I'm thinking zold may beat out obedience for me
bleak sky
Venthyr, but I'm thinking zold may beat out obedience for me
for what
inland hull
M+
spice spire
6th reserved slot probably belt ye?
Probably but not sure
oak sky
wdym 6th slot
bleak sky
do mobs live long enough
clever kindle
yeah just counting 2 leggos
bleak sky
and are you in a group that lacks aoe
clever kindle
wont be a lot of swapping around at least
spice spire
Like 5 tier pieces + belt + more
alpine latch
like leggo?
There's 6 slots that are effectively locked in next tier (not including our BiS trinket/weapon combos)
4 set pieces, 2 leggos
oak sky
yeah i know
oak sky
but we arent sure exactly which slots are locked up because we dont know the gear stats or which leggo slots we use
alpine latch
Sure, but either way 6 slots are effectively "reserved"
clever kindle
well if you have any plans on swapping you're going to be using the belt unless you want to get super sweaty
alpine latch
Whether it's chest or gloves doesn't matter today
clever kindle
and swap a belt that changes covenants
oak sky
bleak sky
using 2piece + frost set to sell sylv mounts is gonna be nice tho
inland hull
Pretty solid aoe, but I'm not sure I'm getting good use out of my increased flag casts. The passive execute may be boring but could be better for my play
oak sky
Whether it's chest or gloves doesn't matter today
he was asking about belt tho, which we arent sure about yet
because the wording isnt clear
we might be able to recraft our new covenant leggo
alpine latch
We can
oak sky
onto a different slot
alpine latch
They confirmed that
clever kindle
well we know what the tier sets are locked too so really theres not many other options with good stat budgets
oak sky
which would mean belt isnt guaranteed
timid cloud
SIMMING WITH BS/DS?!?!
clever kindle
belt might be the best choice
timid cloud
oak sky
for guardian
bleak sky
Pretty solid aoe, but I'm not sure I'm getting good use out of my increased flag...
fair enough but just send flag on cd tbh
oak sky
its the highest damage sim
clever kindle
much to think about
oak sky
ep mfd is 70-100 dps less i cba
timid cloud
I was just being lazy & doing EP/Vigor & EP / MFD
bleak sky
and battlepots
gusty mirage
I need a cloak so I can actually swap to my zold leggo
if you're not using a 230 crafted, having a 230 cloak isn't that big of a deal
timid cloud
I’ve had mixed results as of recently.
gusty mirage
you could just use that until you get a drop
inland hull
Didn't even think of that
clever kindle
I was using 230 rings to hard shift my stat balance while that was still an option earlier in the tier
when I needed too
maybe can do something similar at the start of next tier if there is another rank of upgrades
gusty mirage
yeah rings/necklace/cloak are low stat weighted items
so you can get away with using something lower ilvl than max
inland hull
Oh, nice. Figured it's worth trying
oak sky
yeah the actual secondaries are way more important on rings and necks for sure
gusty mirage
yeah and the primary stat dif between a 230 cloak and a 252 cloak isn't as big as people would think
so while less than ideal, it's not really inting your damage
alpine latch
I was just being lazy & doing EP/Vigor & EP / MFD
Personally, I prefer Vigor. I know MFD is the highest DPS choice, but Vigor helps cover up for those awkward moments when you need to refresh bleeds as Shiv is coming up.
And it fucks your pooling
oak sky
yeah you just kinda play
alpine latch
When you're not a robot and don't play 100% optimally, there are.
gusty mirage
I mean it's not that big of a deal if you drop rupture for a few seconds or refresh it a few seconds early
oak sky
dropping bleeds is pretty bad
gusty mirage
dropping bleeds is pretty bad <:logs:585734084232347648>
yeah but 2s of rupture missing over the span of a fight isn't going to make you green parse
alpine latch
Sure, but let's not act like every single person out there plays the spec at an ultra high level. Sometimes, shit happens. Lag spikes, accidentally overcapped CP, Sylv turns around and parries 2 fucking mutilates in a row..
clever kindle
im greedy I want the envenom
oak sky
if rupture doesnt drop envenom in vendetta is better
clever kindle
right after you hit flag too
alpine latch
And then I go ape brain and mutilate twice at full CP
oak sky
for sure
timid cloud
OOFF THAT LAST PART
alpine latch
I fucking die inside
gusty mirage
vanish -> mut -> parry -> mut -> parry
me in discord: YO FUCK THIS GAME
timid cloud
I’ve had it to where I’ve hit mut-snd-mut & the SND didn’t go off.
So I get griefed for my opener.
spice spire
yeah but 2s of rupture missing over the span of a fight isn't going to make you ...
Sue that would explain all of my green parses. I only make the most optimal decisions
bleak sky
a random flag parry 
timid cloud
I won’t cap, never had my flag parried I don’t think.
gusty mirage
a random flag parry <:kreygasm:585866616227627064>
bleak sky
flag parry -> rupture -> don't see that flag got fucking parried -> shiv vanish vendetta and do no damage
gusty mirage
^ actual gif of sylv
timid cloud
Had Shiv parried though. I’d rather die.
bleak sky
that's my jam
clever kindle
I will say somehow though
SLG still tilted me more then all of the bosses in the current raid combined
oak sky
sad i didnt get denathrius ecstatic i didnt have to see slg
spice spire
<a:4283_Think_mega_Spin:856276023893295115>
opening sbs parried sbs parried
timid cloud
I never did SLG on my Rogue. I only did it on Hunter. Feelsbadman...
gusty mirage
*opening* sbs *parried* sbs *parried*
I'll never forgive lady inerva for this
spice spire
Inerva also belongs there
timid cloud
oak sky
i was a heroic pugger last tier so none of the bosses were really hard
clever kindle
there was definitely a point where I verbally asked to leave the guild mid fight on SLG
bleak sky
I had to tank SLG and it was 
clever kindle
tensions were high
spice spire
Mr. minalba, some things never change
timid cloud
Our healer jumped off mid pull of SLG prog because he griefed his Disc ramp. Just threw an entire pull.
spice spire
I will always be trash
clever kindle
one mans trash is another mans slightly more valuable trash
spice spire
I’m the great constant
clever kindle
the worst part about sylv I think is that the first phase is effectively worthless
bleak sky
I will always be trash <:yejoice:591717432087806000>
lies
inland hull
Nah, look upon my blue parses and despair
clever kindle
if you juiced SUPER FUCKING HARD early on it counted later
alpine latch
the worst part about sylv I think is that the first phase is effectively worthle...
The first 2 phases are effectively worthless
alpine latch
I mean, it's fun the first couple of times you do it
oak sky
p2 sylv isnt worthless
alpine latch
But now it's just an 8-minute bullshit fest
oak sky
boss burn carries over
bleak sky
getting good damage on p2 sylv is important
gusty mirage
p2 sylv isnt worthless
p2 on heroic can be solo'd by tanks
oak sky
unless you push sylv early
clever kindle
thats fine then but p1 having that would still be nice
alpine latch
Ah, I see what you mean
oak sky
gusty mirage
so kinda worthless tbh
clever kindle
I meant more damage wise oxi
alpine latch
Yes, P2 is "worth" in the regards of burning her
bleak sky
p2 on heroic can be solo'd by tanks
whole fight can be solo'd
clever kindle
like if im popping off there does it matter
alpine latch
I mean more that the phase itself was boring and unfun
gusty mirage
yes, everything you do matters to me @clever kindle 
clever kindle
oak sky
tbh the whole fight makes more sense and is better in mythic
alpine latch
And seriously, why the fuck can't Thrall and Jaina make a bridge without big ass holes in them?
gusty mirage
tbh the whole fight makes more sense and is better in mythic
minus the 9 rives in p1 intermission
bleak sky
thats fine then but p1 having that would still be nice
faster you push p1 = faster fight is over and that's worth something tbh
gusty mirage
like why
clever kindle
true the bridges are so dumb criss crossing in heroic
oak sky
minus the 9 rives in p1 intermission
true
drifting cloud
they usually work backwards
clever kindle
faster you push p1 = faster fight is over and that's worth something tbh
we got to the point where we have to stop dps now and swap to adds, clean up then tick down the last .2%
drifting cloud
so if anything only 1 on hc makes way less sense
bleak sky
we got to the point where we have to stop dps now and swap to adds, clean up the...
wdym
clever kindle
in p1 before she goes immune when the 3 wailing arrows go out
inland hull
And seriously, why the fuck can't Thrall and Jaina make a bridge without big ass...
Had a hunter disengage out of darkness right through a hole in the bridge. Immediately left group
bleak sky
in p1 before she goes immune when the 3 wailing arrows go out
oh yeah but
bleak sky
push before that and everyone is happier
clever kindle
as youre approaching the stop point and rive
alpine latch
Had a hunter disengage out of darkness right through a hole in the bridge. Immed...
I'm sad to say I shadowstepped to Sylv once and fell to my death
clever kindle
oh yeah im blasting there I just meant it feels sort of choreographed right now on my end
I have all my cooldowns planned etc
mostly were working on damage texture with chains and adds and shit which was a little rough to start
3 boomkins 3 locks lots of dot damage
oak sky
yeah sylv is super choreographed
limber lion
I just need the dagger and shoulders
alpine latch
Are you coming back for 9.2 Cev?
limber lion
Already am
alpine latch
Oh nice
alpine latch
Are you still raiding with Method?
alpine latch
I can only imagine, yeah
limber lion
Don't have time to raid 16 hours a day for 3-4 weeks
and maintain 4 characters
and do 4 full mythic clears every week on farm
limber lion
It suits some, but definitely not for me :P
oak sky
curse of top 5 world
limber lion
Can't afford to take so much time off irl responsibilities to play the game
alpine latch
yup
strange python
If our guardian kill is sub 4 minutes I'm curious if holding vendetta for umbrella makes sense
Also maybe even running fucking iqd and lining up with second vend
limber lion
I wouldn't play around an rng umbrella proc myself
Lining up stuff like Thrill Seeker (Euphoria/Fatal Flaw) etc. is fine though
strange python
Hmm
V curious if iqd could be big if you're only getting two vends
I'm just not sure how else to squeeze out more damage when were missing a CD and I'm not getting externals
hollow river
IQD is pretty big if you’re Venthyr
Could definitely be decent. But I sorta doubt it’d outweigh a 252 Amp
Could always run a ~4 minute sim and see what it chooses
alpine latch
Yeah, IQD is simming high for me but it's also because I'm using a heroic Amp
sand sigil
<@!300159534981447690> <a:CH_PepeWave:703847733949104128>
/wave
hollow river
i gotta beat that russian guy
Russian guy?
oak sky
Russian guy? <:logs:585734084232347648>
look at sylvanas leaderboard hes the top guy with no externals
strange python
Could definitely be decent. But I sorta doubt it’d outweigh a 252 Amp
Amp is below countermeasure by quite a bit for me
oak sky
sim 4 minute on raidbots
hollow river
Amp is below countermeasure by quite a bit for me
You know what I mean :p I didn’t bother with that bs legion farm
oak sky
if thats possible
hollow river
look at sylvanas leaderboard hes the top guy with no externals
Ahh
Agroaner did your guild recruit another rogue already?
oak sky
yeah
hollow river
Yeah I thought so
oak sky
hes new to it
rocky ruin
Just asking if i dont get Signet from CoS for 9.1 is it bad or I'm missing some extra power or not?
oak sky
its extra power but its fine if you dont have it
hollow river
Just asking if i dont get Signet from CoS for 9.1 is it bad or I'm missing some ...
A little bit yeah but it’s not a big deal
oak sky
notrickz you should apply
hollow river
It’ll get replaced by 9.2 gear fast anyway
oak sky
at least give it a go
hollow river
Hmm
oak sky
oh
well
up to you then
you wont be a bench warmer next tier
unless you actually are a bench warmer
10 pacific
but bro
east coast guilds start way too early for me
limits my options a lot
half of them start at 5 which i cant do
spice spire
Wtf starts at five
hollow river
He means 7 or 8 EST
alpine latch
An 8pm EST guild when you're in PST
spice spire
Ohhh
alpine latch
lol
spice spire
I thought he meant 5 EST
hollow river
half of them start at 5 which i cant do
Yeah I feel that
spice spire
I was like
alpine latch
That's what he's saying - he's west coast so any EST guild is super early for him
bleak sky
east coast guilds start way too early for me
find those CST guilds
spice spire
find those CST guilds
Flyover guilds
hollow river
dude half the cst guilds start at 5 or 6 pacific too
Ew
oak sky
bleak sky
sim 4 minute on raidbots
4 min sims BRUH
oak sky
gospel truth @bleak sky
bleak sky
Is there a way to do 4:30 sims? 
hollow river
You guys still raiding all 3 nights for farm?
oak sky
however many it takes
so sometimes 1 sometimes 3
lol
we havent been doing fatescribe
oak sky
but the roster is getting better and better so we should be doing 10/10 this week/next week i would guess
hollow river
What extra days??
bleak sky
if your guild is a 3day
hollow river
Lol
hollow river
You misunderstand
bleak sky
oh
oak sky
we did 8 bosses in our 1 day yesterday from last week so we can clear in 2 as long as players are there
hollow river
We haven’t fully recleared
bleak sky
rip
oak sky
we've done 1 day reclear a few times but mostly we get backlogged on sylv
i think thats changing though
bleak sky
1 day reclears are bis
oak sky
because some of the new blood is lets say an improvement
hollow river
Hell yeah
hollow river
Yeah I watched you guys once on poy’s stream
spice spire
Time to change that mold, notrickz
hollow river
He was on his warrior
spice spire
It’s time to be great
hollow river
It’s time to be great <:yejoice:591717432087806000>
oak sky
And of course he still has a lot of love for the guild too
spice spire
Roster looking healthy again, ag?
oak sky
Yeah its good
hollow river
And of course he still has a lot of love for the guild too
Yeah he was telling me about it
spice spire
Idk what happened in the last month
hollow river
Told me to app too etc
bleak sky
quake about to poach half your roster
oak sky
Lmao
hollow river
spice spire
quake about to poach half your roster
I’m a very casual guild