assassination

[kindred rapids]

yeah would have nerfed it already imo

Believe me, I wish people cared about ilvl parses 😂

[limber lion]

what a beast

[arctic walrus]

wowie

[oak sky]

🦇 🌰

[humble ginkgo]

W bro dont listen to the haters (vel) (hes bad)

[static pier]

Sim doesn't seem to be showing anything, is there a meaningful difference between having sinful/guidance on different hands?

[oak sky]

Nah

[static pier]

so not worth re-enchanting to put sinful on my mh?

[oak sky]

Nah just roll with what you have

[static pier]

yeah sick

nearly 220ilvl with no boosts, have been 60 since like monday morning lmao
feels so slow atm though, since all the queues are high keys

[oak sky]

Good luck to you

Im sure itll pick up and you can manage whatever goals you have or just enjoy the ride

[glass tulip]

gearing alts feels real bad this tier because of being behind on shard sets

I just gave up on alts til next tier

[arctic cloud]

I’ve been away for 6 months so excuse the dumb question..the sylvanas dagger at 233, is it better than a 246 in my OH (I’ve been hella unlucky with daggers as a lot of us have I’d imagine) my MH is a 252. Sims tells me the 246 is a 29% upgrade

[oak sky]

Play what sim says

Sylv dagger is better for around 6 or 7 ilvl

[arctic cloud]

Cheers

[spark scaffold]

Kubu are you playing eu alliance

[sonic schooner]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[vestal wren]

haha, i forgot that we added that command a while ago

[thorny pond]

P cool

[atomic saddle]

Yo any stream suggestions for assa-raiding?

[slow marsh]

press your buttons

[sonic schooner]

Yea fuu ahah. I know my assa things but needed to find the % for others classes 🥸

[midnight atlas]

!iq

Damn, doesnt work here

[vestal wren]

no, fun commands only work in #off-topic and #bot-spam

[cold rampart]

guys theotar or nadija?

[balmy condor]

If you roll crit tea, theo

If you roll haste, probably also theo

If you roll agi tea, ehhhhh

Probably a toss up

[gusty mirage]

probably still theo

[balmy condor]

But still theo cause fatal flaws is some bullshit

[gusty mirage]

tbh

me love proccing thrill seeker on painsmith intermission

its my fav

[thorny pond]

You’re my fav

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

You’re a good green man

[limber lion]

Ty

[gusty mirage]

Yw

[slow marsh]

np

[static pier]

stupid quesiton because i couldnt find anything in the search: how do flayedwing toxin, weapon poison, sharpenining stone and wf interact? like, can I have all of them at the same time?

[gusty mirage]

not a stupid question at all

you can have all of them up

only things that would overwrite: mindnumbing vs crippling poison, wound vs deadly (or wound vs instant for outlaw/sub), and sharpening stones vs shadowcore oil

[static pier]

yeah, i know you can't have 2 lethal or 2 nonlethal poisons, and stone vs oil, just wasnt sure about the other categories

[gusty mirage]

yeah the trinket application is a separate buff

and the same with with wft

[timid cloud]

So you’re telling me...

You don’t like VersatillaTEA?

You don’t really like AgilaTEA?

[slow marsh]

....

[timid cloud]

So CritTEAcal strike is the move, correct?

[slow marsh]

stop being so hasTEA

[timid cloud]

I was typing it out.

You got me.

[slow marsh]

[thorny pond]

Are you good Ice?

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

are you oxi-tocin?

[cerulean quartz]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[slow marsh]

no i'm playing surv hunter, how could i be

[thorny pond]

i sorry bud

[jade minnow]

does assa profit from this? or noone runs it

[balmy condor]

we have no burst and mastery sucks

the only spec in the game that runs that is sometimes boomkin

[jade minnow]

i mean for m+

[balmy condor]

for m+ you're better off running like 15 other trinkets

[jade minnow]

ye havent played so im just wondering if its good. ty

[balmy condor]

np

[bleak knoll]

Sims tellin me Dashing Scoundrel is 300 dps higher than obedience.. this doesn't sound right? I thought they were closer in single target damage

[gusty mirage]

link sim

[slow marsh]

they are once you have better gears

[bleak knoll]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c82yJm4xautPEB3pGu8e5Y

I don't have complete frost set yet, still need one shard

Going to run a sim without either equipped (with zol)

[gusty mirage]

I got you rn one sec

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ghbjkizLFVrMv5HSSM4j8H

it'll get closer when you get r5 frost

[bleak knoll]

What did you do different?

[gusty mirage]

topgear just gets a little weird to read when you're simming a bunch of different stuff

I just took the profile w/ dashing & ST talents from your original topgear and broke it down so it was just obe vs dashing

[bleak knoll]

Ok, thanks!

[gusty mirage]

no problem

[thorny pond]

where are all the vault keys?

[gusty mirage]

people either gave up or got their shit already

[thorny pond]

frick

[timid cloud]

Disc Priest also runs Bell.

Mastery STONKS???

📈

[viscid spear]

No

[bleak sky]

Gambling on timezones and wishing y'all a happy new year

[balmy condor]

couples hours early for EU

russia I guess

[timid cloud]

Upside down people playing in the future.

[slow marsh]

I don't celebrate new year's

[arctic cloud]

Just got back from pub. Happy new day x

[bleak sky]

Idk man way too many tzs

[glass tulip]

23 too many

CST is superior

[bleak sky]

CST is yikes

[bleak knoll]

[thorny pond]

What is CST Texass and fly overs

[tight ginkgo]

Illinois?

[balmy condor]

fly over

[tight ginkgo]

Fair!

[sonic schooner]

Whisp 💜 from EU 🇫🇷

[distant mist]

Certain part of florida

[spice spire]

Bro don’t hurt me like this

[hollow river]

happy new year everybody

[strange python]

Happy New Year! 🍻

[balmy condor]

[thorny pond]

I’m Midwest EST bruh
Drugzzzzz

[spice spire]

Unfortunate south Cst

[thorny pond]

I sorry bruh

[hollow river]

what are you guys on about?

[strange python]

CST being Texas + flyover states timezone

[thorny pond]

Can fly over dn

[hollow river]

tf are flyover states

[cerulean nest]

states who's only purpose is flying in a plane over and away from them

[thorny pond]

states you dont go to you just fly over

[oak sky]

Kansas nebraska etc

[strange python]

Minnesota to Texas essentially.

[balmy condor]

I mean honestly it’s everything between Nevada to Virginia

Who wants to go to Utah or Colorado

[strange python]

Haha, true enough.

[oak sky]

@carmine dawn

[ember mural]

least i dont have to worry about wildfires

[carmine dawn]

What

Oh

To be fair Denver is different from the rest of Colorado

[slow marsh]

Or idaho

[spice spire]

I’d go to Idaho

Just to see the amount copium in those potatoes

[normal mist]

Happy new year rogues!

[spice spire]

Happy new year royal

[gray fjord]

Likewise folks, Happy New Year

[bleak knoll]

I’m a newish rogue after Druid since vanilla and I can say I love this community. Happy new year rogues!

[junior rampart]

Happy New Year everyone 🥳

[strange python]

Were you in druid discord? That place is hell.

[balmy condor]

happy new year :)

[strange python]

No u ❤️

[balmy condor]

hour and a half to go

[strange python]

West coast life

[balmy condor]

and then another hour and a half left of work after that

[strange python]

All I wanna do is sleep but I'm playing bad board games

[spice spire]

New Years monopoly

I’ve had many years of 7 am nights due to that piece of shit game

[strange python]

No my friends are those people who play really obscure board games

I just wanna play Monopoly or Scrabble but we're playing Qwirkle

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

i just wanna have friends

[ember mural]

same

[slow marsh]

to play board games with

[oak sky]

[misty holly]

What are your favorite board games?

[slow marsh]

checkers
uno
go fish

[balmy condor]

Guys it’s fine

2021 done

For real now

Great year to come

[pure bridge]

2020 PT III inc.

[hexed frost]

[misty holly]

Still waiting on Hawaii to check in.

There's still time for something bad to happen

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

Rogue buffs for 2022

Can i get a whispyrhopium

[balmy condor]

Tier set unnerfed in 2022

[rotund oak]

whispyr gets to have only ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

Happy new year

[slow marsh]

i still wouldn't mind if they nerfed the 2p but tweaked the 4p around

[balmy condor]

It’s probably gonna be 2 piece nerf and 4 piece Snapshot gone

Tbh

[slow marsh]

true but depending on where 2p falls we might be weakish spec

snapshot helps dusk a ton

[oak sky]

They havent done direct class tuning yet

[slow marsh]

true i'd take that too

[oak sky]

If we assume they want tier ironed out before class changes we're chilling

[slow marsh]

my desire to see 4p tweaked a bit to be directly stronger on its own is through the lens that we dont get tuning

[oak sky]

I dont care what happens as long as we do good damage

However that comes

[slow marsh]

well yeah ofc

and i'm confident we will

[abstract cargo]

Does Exsanguinate work on SBS ?

[balmy condor]

No

[abstract cargo]

Seems fair

[balmy condor]

It does work with the 4p though

[abstract cargo]

Exsangue or SBS ?

[balmy condor]

Sbs

[abstract cargo]

oohh

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t make necro good

But ya know

It works

[abstract cargo]

But can't "stack" ? Like after 5 vendetta it's 500% faster something like that

[balmy condor]

Lmao god no

[abstract cargo]

😅

[balmy condor]

That was a bug during 9.1 ptr and the servers literally crashed

[abstract cargo]

oooh i see

[balmy condor]

People stacking it on world boss

Caused all of Bastion to lag out

[strange python]

[balmy condor]

They logged back in, got kicked to oribos

[abstract cargo]

Funny

[balmy condor]

Then someone dropped a turnip in oribos

Crashed oribos

Then the entire server just went down

[abstract cargo]

Lmao

I want to test this 2p so hard

[balmy condor]

We probably won’t even get to test it at 100%

It’ll get nerfed before it gets put in

[abstract cargo]

it's very strong but i hope it will not be nerfed

[thorny pond]

It either gets nerfed now and they tune around it or they nerf it a few weeks in and we don’t get compensated for what will probably be a bit of a heavy-handed nerf

[limber lion]

The latter will not be an option. We already know it's going to get nerfed soon.

[eternal turtle]

are you lining up all flags/vendettas except the last if it gets you an extra flag, or do you send all on cd except line up the last flag/vendetta?

[limber lion]

The latter

We want as many casts of both as possible, only syncing them if we won't miss out on casts

On some fights it's fine to sync most of them, but udually it's better to just send

For example, on Guardian you can sync everything, and on Sylv p1/p2 you can sync

[eternal turtle]

why would you sync everything on guardian then?

i assume it just matters what the fight duration is

[limber lion]

Correct

Guardian is generally around 4min30s or a bit less

Of course it depends on your group and whatnot

If you kill it in under 4 mins, you need to reconsider how to use cooldowns

[eternal turtle]

sounds good thanks

[cerulean nest]

which sim presets are semi-decent for KT and sylv? dungeonslice?

[vast forum]

Patchwerk

As rogue, your job is single target

[viscid spear]

[hollow river]

can't really sim for different raid fights accurately, just patchwerk as stated above

[cerulean nest]

bet

[cobalt pelican]

just make it up

[cerulean nest]

have no more upgrades besides the last two bosses which we havent killed yet

time to grind nfae renown I guess?

[bleak sky]

Yep

Fae and kyrian

Necro

[cerulean nest]

whats the best fae covenant just for shits while i do WQ

soulbind*

[strange python]

This is us. Considering saving second flag/vend for umbrella

[spice spire]

[cerulean nest]

that Pantheon Prototpye 4-target cleave 👀

[limber lion]

Korayn

[viscid spear]

In phase 3?

[cerulean nest]

@limber lion would you mind linking your plater prof pls?

[limber lion]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[cerulean nest]

ty ty

also, very random. anyone know how to reorder the layers of different weakauras? I want my Miks Scrolling Battle Text to be behind everything else

idk if that's possible or not

[quasi ledge]

In the Display settings of the WA, adjust the Frame Strata to High. Or maybe it's an option in the battle text addon

[limber lion]

You definitely can do that by changing the frame strata

Yeh, like Biz said

[cerulean nest]

miks is an addon, so id make everything else high?

[limber lion]

High frame strata will put it above everything else, even stuff like the map

[quasi ledge]

Having the WA's Strata set to High, it'll go over the top of the M+ keystone thing (when you put the key in)

[limber lion]

Like if you open up the full sized map, you'll have your weak auras on top

[cerulean nest]

ah

[quasi ledge]

Just as a heads up :p

[cerulean nest]

okay

[limber lion]

Just play around with it, try different settings

[quasi ledge]

I put mine to high, then couldn't click the button

[cerulean nest]

it's just my main weakaura rotation pack that gets overlapped by miks

nothing else really

[limber lion]

Pretty sure you can change MSBT settings as well

frame strata as well as position

I've just moved them away from the center of the frame

and well personally I've also disabled everything else but my crits, because everything else is just clutter to me

Probably could live without any damage numbers to be honest because of Details

:P

[cerulean nest]

yeah its not necessary at all. I just like seeing my crits and if anything isn't scrolling as it normally is or the numbers dont look right I know something is wrong

also like knowing which healer to thank when they save my ass lol

[limber lion]

Yeh

[cerulean nest]

ah that worked, perfect

[dull osprey]

If I'm using kyrian as assassination (just leveling it up) do I want to use the 7pt finisher on an envenom or CT in aoe situations?

[limber lion]

You just follow the normal AoE finisher rules

If you have CT up already, you just slam an Envenom

[dull osprey]

Okay. Didn't know if we wanted to get a bigger CT for value

Good to know

[limber lion]

The damage is the same, the duration is just increased

The initial damage is higher, but it's already quite small for CT, which is the reason we never want to CT spam

[dull osprey]

I've been using poisoned knife to get the boosted finisher when I'm 1 off, is this wrong and just hope for it naturally?

[strange python]

hey guys

can i ask somthing about legendary for assasination

[limber lion]

go for it

[strange python]

memory of the deathspike

how its work ?

its will be good on mythyc +

Better than zoldyck ?

[limber lion]

No, Zoldyck is better

Deathspike is really bad

[strange python]

relly ?

[limber lion]

Yes

[strange python]

best is zoldyck ?

[limber lion]

Yes

Or Obedience for Venthyr

[strange python]

oww

i think zoldyck and necrolord

together better than venthyr

[limber lion]

Not necessarily

But you do you

[strange python]

assain steal fine

on m + ?

i think its so good : D

[limber lion]

It's decent, but it's the worst rogue spec for m+

But it's completely fine, unless you're pushing for 25+

[strange python]

aa

its good on raid

with witchlegendary ?

[limber lion]

you might want to read #assassination-faq

[dull osprey]

I have a lot of fun in keys with sin, but I'm not pushing high keys lol

[vestal wren]

nice 👍 there is nothing wrong with playing it in keys

[winter vapor]

I've tried to learn sub for keys but I am frankly, awful

[strange python]

guys

use withc cundit

on m + ?

[winter vapor]

Mythic Plus: Lashing Scars >= Sudden Fractures > Poisoned Katar >= Lethal Poisons = Well-Placed Steel (edited)

from #assassination-faq

[bleak sky]

I do lashing scars, shiv one and poisoned katar

But it's preference I guess

[vestal wren]

its just a matter of practice tbh, also no need to play it if you enjoy assassination more

[winter vapor]

yeah thanks, dropping below the tank in dps overall isnt my idea of fun :p fortunately im getting carried by the rest of the group with my inflexible sin self

but i will try again maybe once we get all 20's

[pure moth]

practice it in lower keys and work your way up

[bleak sky]

Just play more sub and your damage will go up

But if you're below the tank then you might not have gotten the basics down just yet

[bleak sky]

And you can do decent damage as sin, if you think you're not doing enough, there might be something wrong there as well

You kinda do the same thing as sub, but less damage/utility

[winter vapor]

I'd say my overall average was about 7.5k ish (dungeon dependant) on on around the 20 range

[bleak sky]

That does sound a bit low

[winter vapor]

I;ve recently switched to Obe in keys as it helps out on ST (its taken me a while)

[bleak sky]

Unless you guys are doing some weirdo small pulls for some reason

[strange python]

what is your sugges for tirnket

[gusty mirage]

Looks like our friend needs a breakdown on top gear simming

[bleak sky]

I do phial + gland/faulty

[winter vapor]

our comp is usually dps priest, DH tank, Shaman healer, myself and then either a Hunter or more recently a Monk

[strange python]

so u dont use sudden fract conduit ?

[gusty mirage]

You asked about trinkets

[bleak sky]

If I'm using lashing scars I couldn't possibly be using sudden fractures :p

[strange python]

hmm

xd

[strange python]

not asking from u

ty

[gusty mirage]

That’s nice

Good way to make a nice impression around here

[bleak sky]

But oxi is right tho, raidbots should be your best friend

[strange python]

im not good on english talkin

i cant

maybe i have problkeem

but tjhnx

[bleak sky]

Maybe that's just me, but I think rogue and priest both do the same job in m+

Unless I don't really understand spriest

[gusty mirage]

You’re asking questions no one can give you a 100% answer about, because we don’t know your character’s gear. Gearing is very character specific

[strange python]

but icant use sim

idk what is this

[bleak sky]

Why not

[strange python]

: D im so new

Noob maybe

[winter vapor]

@bleak sky your not wrong, but they do have some AoE potential through the DH rune etc

[viscid spear]

[winter vapor]

but were not over optimising, just running with what we have

[bleak sky]

Nah screw running meta comps

You can bang out 20s with your group ezpz

Oxi do we have a raidbots/sim quick start guide?

[winter vapor]

yeah, we need 2 more for the full set

[bleak sky]

Just the basics, nothing fancy

[gusty mirage]

I would strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with raidbots, it’ll make your life so much easier, @fathom swift has a really good guide on simming on wowhead:
https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

[strange python]

aa

[gusty mirage]

Yessir I was looking for it

[strange python]

i go in this

link ?

[bleak sky]

[winter vapor]

❤️

[strange python]

ok ty

[bleak sky]

But 7.5 ish seems low low yeah, I'd look into it a bit

[gusty mirage]

If you’re looking for trinkets/gear to sim for I would recommend a droptimizer sim

[bleak sky]

Even if it's top

[gusty mirage]

It’ll tell you which drops in raid you should aim for

[winter vapor]

Top I tend to much better in, but even then I suspect something is missing

[bleak sky]

If your tank is not chain pulling / pulling big packs, your damage will be lower but idk

[gusty mirage]

And you’ll be sad, because you watch snd and alacrity fall off

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

I just play sub in pugs now because I’ve yet to meet a pug tank that understands how to chain properly

[bleak sky]

I want more io but I don't want to do keys oxi

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m right there with you man

My tank trolled tf out of a spires and top

“I’ve never seen someone skip the commander pack in top”

[bleak sky]

I pug so it's always an adventure

[gusty mirage]

Yeah bro? 24 top? No one’s skipped the commander? Ever?

[winter vapor]

you brave souls

[bleak sky]

Fortified top doing the commander seems a bit yikes

[gusty mirage]

Fortified inspired too

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

Completed murdered by the arbalists

No one skips it though it’s fine

[bleak sky]

Your tank has to pug more tops

[gusty mirage]

My tank needs to go get his brain checked out

[winter vapor]

xD

[gusty mirage]

He also pulled the pack at the top of the stairs in spires

[bleak sky]

Ayo wtf

Your tank doing some jank dratnos route

[gusty mirage]

We managed to time that 22 with like 18 deaths

All of which were entirely his fault

“Oops I forgot about inspiring”

Double Goliath pack and chained an inspiring into it

[bleak sky]

Have you ever done fire affix with inspiring? It's fun

[gusty mirage]

Oh we did that too don’t worry

After the top I was like listen it’s New Years and I want to have some mental health going in to 2022 I’m done

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

2587 io, 2600 still eludes me

[bleak sky]

Same but 27

Pretty number so far away

[gusty mirage]

I may have found another group to run with though

And they’re in title range and want to keep it that way for themselves

So I’ll ride the coattails for that chance

[oak sky]

Just play dk 4Head

[gusty mirage]

We usually have a DK who decided he wanted to play valorant instead

[oak sky]

Lmao

[slow marsh]

You elude me

[oak sky]

You delude me

[slow marsh]

Good

[oak sky]

[winter vapor]

ah there is a title at 2600?

[lyric crater]

yo as a vamp witch soul blind better over all geting mix revies

review

[oak sky]

The title is for being the .1% of io score, which is around 2800

[tight ginkgo]

I've been pugging my m+ push until the past few weeks. Having a dedicated group is good but sheesh learning how your group communicates is like a whole 'nother io climb in itself.

[gusty mirage]

Theo, triple potency, you want ideally crit or haste tea

[gusty mirage]

The pug life grind

[bleak sky]

Oxi right unless it's for m+

[balmy condor]

The fuck do you play in m+ sir

[bleak sky]

Theo but I want vers tea

[spice spire]

Myself

[balmy condor]

Aight aight you straight

[spice spire]

This mfer coming in here like the OTPolice when he playing sub

[bleak sky]

Don't ever join their discord and you're good to go

[balmy condor]

This mfer coming in here like sin is viable in keys

[spice spire]

9.2 is an outlaw tier boys; sorry

[tight ginkgo]

i just see sin channel people buddying around and am like

https://tenor.com/view/conan-o-brien-window-stalker-creepy-gif-14699391

[spice spire]

It’s the yellow name. They’re made fun of everywhere. Including in outlaw

[bleak sky]

Who hurt you

[subtle tundra]

yor mom

[balmy condor]

Well you see growing up my mother…

[oak sky]

This mfer coming in here like he plays sin or keys

🤨

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

its a coping mechanism for us

we have so much time in between mutilates that we can build strong friendships

[balmy condor]

Also have so much time getting kicked from m+ groups

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

I mean...

My Sin m+ leggo is still 235

[gusty mirage]

just do what I do

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

keep them guessing which spec they're getting today

[timid cloud]

Too many alts for that.

I can’t wait to see my season breakdown.

[gusty mirage]

alts

[timid cloud]

Sorry, I gotta have the actual good classes.

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

guy can't even kek properly

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

That's called obedience

[gusty mirage]

so monk and mage?

[spice spire]

Mr. Cydone choose your next words very carefully

[timid cloud]

No.

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

He's about to say something whack

The good class: kyrian frost dk

[spice spire]

Survival hunter inc

[bleak sky]

Survival good MiQ

[timid cloud]

Okay no way. I’m not a masochist.

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

Mr Oxi. Why does vault hate me?

[slow marsh]

Too tru

[slow marsh]

Just wait 2022 is for sure the year of the spear

[thorny pond]

Year of the spear? Yea WW looks good you right

[hexed frost]

Woooaahh go easy on the edge boi

Which one of you madmen made this btw?
https://youtu.be/310Cc6tOirk

[balmy condor]

Holy shit that’s cringe

[subtle tundra]

big true

[hexed frost]

subs coping

[arctic walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/924436307202174976/926929978556313610/IMG_5515.png

[rancid bloom]

best raid leggo ?

dashing scoundrel?

[hexed frost]

Yeah works great with frost set when you have high crit( 40ish percent I think)

[rancid bloom]

any other decents?

[balmy condor]

Obedience

[rancid bloom]

for raid? beats dashing scoundrel?

[balmy condor]

No

[rancid bloom]

because i use it but other assasins with dashing do more dps

[balmy condor]

That’s why dashing was suggested

[rancid bloom]

uhm

ty

[balmy condor]

Np

[strange python]

What dungeons favor sin - and which favor sub?

[rancid bloom]

on feet or back ?

[strange python]

That's confusing

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

Maybe i'm out of it today

[balmy condor]

The only dungeon sin could be better than sub is top

[balmy condor]

Nah that dudes lost in the sauce

[strange python]

Yeah that's what i was thinking TOP for sure

[bleak sky]

I feel like sin is really good on top, spires and it's just ok on all others

[oak sky]

Even other ones its good in besides top sub is better than sin

[strange python]

Yeah I just don't know if I should switch to sub.

for keys.

I mean i've timed 22's as top dmg and had like 3-4 minutes left over.

So I don't feel like i've hit anywhere near the potential of it yet. Granted, a good monk or mage would beat it in overall by 20% or more, but the role is different really.

[oak sky]

Yeah you havent

[strange python]

I'm gonna stick with it for a while then

[oak sky]

Sin damage is solid

I know varas, whos in here has gone up to 28s or something like that

[strange python]

It's just weird to be like top 10 sin rogues in keys on a server like area52 - like i just start to question what i'm doing.

[oak sky]

So you should be safe playing it as high as you want unless youre going for world first keys or something

[strange python]

No, i mean the idea of getting to that title is there for me -- although I haven't checked the cutoff for it

[oak sky]

Yeah im top 10 on tich, just since sub is better more people play it in general even though sin is close

[strange python]

I'm assuming it's class based, not spec based.

See, i agree with that.

[oak sky]

Its everyone

Like all key players

[strange python]

The top folks just flock to the best (rightfully so)

[oak sky]

Not based on class or spec

[strange python]

ahhhh ok

[oak sky]

Raiderio has a page where they show the estimated cutoff

Its 2800 ish currently

[strange python]

oh god

man top .1% -- wow -- top 1% doable

[oak sky]

Yeah

Top 1% is like 2500

[strange python]

yeah that's like something achievable

I don't have a set group so

We got a few pushers in my guild, but most are content just getting 15-18's on their alts.

[oak sky]

Well with a lot of playtime its definitely possible to pug all 25s which would bring you into 2800 range

But its tough for sure

Much easier with a squad

[strange python]

yeah

I think Oxi plays with my mage...

from my guild

ahh well, dinner time - thanks for the info

happy new year all

[bleak sky]

Dw, r1 and 2 are still playing sin

[strange python]

good to know!

[bleak sky]

Keys just feel like too much work right now

I'm sure you can get the title no prob by playing sin, it's just so much time to put into keys

[strange python]

I mean I don't have a whole lot else to do so lol

[spare flame]

If im gonna grind renown of something other then Venthyr then Nightelf is probably best considering what we know from next patch?

[limber lion]

We honestly don't know much yet, because the tier set numbers are not finalized.

But yeah, Night Fae is probably a decent choice

[arctic walrus]

SILENCE

[limber lion]

[slow marsh]

grinding night elf

[bleak sky]

Grinding on night elf

[oak sky]

I havent grinded anything I have faith

Abstain from grinding

Do it for god

[slow marsh]

you mean prince renethal

[oak sky]

You mean donny d

[slow marsh]

you mean elune's sister

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/an8r2v7bR5a9sTokcCUgWq

the last upgrade

[limber lion]

wtfff

that's a stacked ass sim

[arctic walrus]

need a clean up on lane 5, the 6 year old threw up

[balmy condor]

damn if only that were my job

I'll turn your lane off though

[oak sky]

Ill catch up to vel ON JESUS

[bleak sky]

Ayo wtf

[oak sky]

Just keep doing the weeklies buddy phial always shows up

[bleak sky]

Phial is a lie agreon

[oak sky]

Just might be the last vault of the tier

[oak sky]

I got it twice

[bleak sky]

Wow man that's really nice! I'm super happy for you! - This message was rewritten by Ravenholdt's anti toxicity bot.

[oak sky]

[dawn ivy]

i gotta run sims again because i have identical gear to vel but 100 dps lower 🤔

[hollow escarp]

it's skill difference

[dawn ivy]

mm yes yes

[oak sky]

Bs/ds

?

[dawn ivy]

yeah

resimming trinkets/soulbinds rq

[oak sky]

[bleak sky]

Nelf?

[balmy condor]

@arctic walrus got some secret sauce from the doctor's office

steroids

[dawn ivy]

truuu

[limber lion]

I'm only missing shoulders/daggy and I sim like 400 dps less

Sadness

[brazen zodiac]

f

happy new years :D

[oak sky]

Im missing a bunch of shit and im somewhere in the 12ks

[slow marsh]

night fae will do that

[oak sky]

Shoulders pants dagger 2 and belt which may or may not be better

[limber lion]

I simmed NF as well and it's closer to 1k

[dawn ivy]

oh you motherfucker you simmed a 252 phial

thats what was confusing me

[oak sky]

Lmao

Its his last piece

73 dps

[dawn ivy]

the best i could get with current was 12,311

[slow marsh]

imagine not having 252 phial tho

[oak sky]

[bleak sky]

Ngl 252 phial is kinda cringe

[dawn ivy]

had to swap to nadjia

[bleak sky]

246 is a prettier number anyway

[oak sky]

Does nadjia sim higher than the crit tea sim

[dawn ivy]

i dont do specifically crit sim

so not surer

[balmy condor]

usually not no

it rarely can

[oak sky]

Thats what i figured

[balmy condor]

but its hard

[oak sky]

I mean even the general theotar sim is higher for me rn

[balmy condor]

yeh

[dawn ivy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ojjfpwHV28gzJHNZaRyPX5

great now i have a reason to do m+ again thanks assholes

thought i was done with timewalking

[limber lion]

Just don't set your foot in timewalking

[dawn ivy]

didnt realise 6 fucking ilvl in one trinket could get me that

[balmy condor]

phial good

[oak sky]

Phial big good

[dawn ivy]

but yeah im still giga small brain and dont have the motivation to pay attention for 10 seconds to learn how to use raidbots properly

so i just sim normal tea chances lmao

i guess while i spam m+ ill get my necro up

thats still the m+ covenant right

for SOME dungeons

[oak sky]

Not really

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nkU4PDXS5HotPmHx31XuD8

12k sim

[oak sky]

Like its good aoe but usually groups need more prio/st anyway

[bleak sky]

Idk man

[dawn ivy]

im just going off varas raider.io tbh

[bleak sky]

I think we just send venthyr on everything

O

Isn't raiderio data fucky?

As in it's not really reliable to go off of

[slow marsh]

only reason to play necro imo would be if group doesn't have one and you're doing pf/ top but even then venth prio is just better

[bleak sky]

I'm always happy to have a 1 min flag

So it is

[slow marsh]

ye

[dawn ivy]

just gonna go necro for a few days to remember the good ol days

[bleak sky]

But then you have to run zoldycks

[dawn ivy]

before we're forced into venthyr for all content i guess it could be worse we could be forced into kyrian

oh buddy i havent made an m+ leggo this expac

dashing scoundrel all day everyday

because i CBA

[bleak sky]

It's him it's 0coo

[dawn ivy]

15s can eat me

[bleak sky]

Oh ya

No biggies

[limber lion]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[arctic walrus]

@dawn ivy you take externals and you literally ban evade and yet you can’t evade taking this L

[untold nest]

@limber lion wave back to me 😦 (In game)

😄

[dawn ivy]

[limber lion]

[daring minnow]

new to sin (last i played it was bfa). why do openers differ on the top logs. Are they waiting for winds stacks or something?

namely, when they vanish

[oak sky]

Theres no real reason for logs to be different

Different is probably wrong

At least not in opener

[daring minnow]

hmm, tried to look in the faq and pinned but can't see an opener with dashing

[oak sky]

Should be in the wowhead guide

[daring minnow]

i know we get our bleeds up and snd, then 3-4cp, shiv, ven / flag / vanish envenom but just wanted to see why it's different on some of the top logs for guardian, tarr etc

kk

[oak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[oak sky]

Some slight differences don't make a huge difference but big ones do

[balmy condor]

Do you have any examples where the logic differs?

Because the snd, gar, flag into rup, vend shiv vanish thing

Is pretty well drilled into people

[daring minnow]

ok ty. odd, used to be env after vanish, but instead it's muti now after vanish. Whereas, in bfa and legion, folks envenomed right after vanish

[balmy condor]

That’s one of those things that doesn’t make a difference

Mut is marginally better

[daring minnow]

wouldn't you want as many env in the MA window?

ah i see

[balmy condor]

Mut env mut is like 10 dps better

More cp more good

[daring minnow]

kk, ty

[arctic walrus]

Technically from a pure 1 pull perspective, it's better to not rely on the cp generated and env mut env 🤓

[balmy condor]

I don’t think you understand how this works

[median silo]

i would think playing venthyr you'd want more combo points for better flags, you get more combo points from mut env mut than you do env mut env. like sure, env mut env would be more dmg in the ma window but fights are much more than those windows.

[atomic saddle]

What is our best trinket combination including legion m+?

[oak sky]

Phial + faulty countermeasure

Honorable mentions fusion amp and ocular gland

[atomic saddle]

Thanks

Do you know any rogue streamers that stream raiding as assa currently?

[median silo]

Limit max raids as assa i believe, but i mean he isn't like a rogue main or anything but there should still be vods.

[arctic walrus]

yea me

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage also streams and swaps between sub and sin.

If only Vel streamed

[arctic walrus]

when i stream I just get hate mail about having tricks on 1

why would i stream again after that man

[atomic saddle]

what a shocker

[limber lion]

wtf

[oak sky]

Dont worry bro i have stealth on 3 😈

[arctic walrus]

yeah see

ur my 13th reason why

remember that

[limber lion]

[arctic walrus]

[cerulean nest]

anyone know why my top gear is like 100 dps lower than my "current gear" when I droptomize from it?

has happened multiple times now

[balmy condor]

not including wft?

would have to link the sims to see

[cerulean nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/umxU3UQ5BWsbTXMmQ312BQ

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bXgy4jLiXQHmBFQ4JKk82Y

[balmy condor]

I assume the expert mode is crit tea?

[cerulean nest]

yep

[vast forum]

droptimizer always shows the dps you would have with the best drop equipped

[balmy condor]

his equipped is higher in the droptimizer

it's not about the 11994

[cerulean nest]

^

[vast forum]

oh ye

i can't find what it is on first glance

so i'm just gonna give up

[balmy condor]

@cerulean nest I think this one, the 11681 isn't taking the crit tea

if you sim normally with a regular tea

it's very close to that

the droptimizer does take the tea line

which is why its higher

[cerulean nest]

even though I have it in expert mode there?

oh top gear just doesnt take it ever?

[balmy condor]

no it does

idk what you did wrong on the top gear

because hitting run again doesn't show custom inputs

so dunno

[cerulean nest]

huh

[balmy condor]

but all I know is that the top gear is equal to a regular tea sim

and the droptimizer is higher

and the math kinda adds up

to the gain of crit tea

[cerulean nest]

yeah I knew that part. maybe there was some box I didnt check. weird

[balmy condor]

for what it's worth, you don't need expert mode for tea sims

it just works in the provided box

[cerulean nest]

oh neat okay

think i got that advice from someone here a while back so ive just been sticking it in there ever since

[balmy condor]

yeah the #subtlety-faq one is only usable in advanced sims

[limber lion]

Well, if you look at the raw input, they both have it at the bottom.

Droptimizer

Top gear

[balmy condor]

yeh

I know

but i guess one didnt take

so

I quick simmed his top gear with no lines and it was within 2 dps

weird for sure

[limber lion]

Yeh it's odd for sure

[cerulean nest]

I just tried it again in quick sim, with the crit tea just in the normal box

still didnt take

[strange python]

guys

can we boost haste

for m + ?

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gUHQCRrDjtnKsA2pSqosBN
here's a sim with crit tea

[limber lion]

what?

[strange python]

i mean

stats

work on haste

on m +

or its usless

[limber lion]

not the best, but doesn't really matter too much

just get high ilvl

nothing else matters

[strange python]

really ?

[limber lion]

yes

[strange python]

and the damages

why i have meele damage on my 2nd 😐 its normal ?

[hollow river]

garrote and rupture should be a little higher iirc

[limber lion]

that's fine'

[strange python]

u mean i must use more rapture and rapturre ?

[limber lion]

no

you're doing fine

[strange python]

aa

ok

[limber lion]

just get more gear

[strange python]

i do 5 k with out legendary

with 212 i lvl

[hollow river]

oh i didn't realize

[strange python]

what ?

[strange python]

if i change

to venthyr or kryn its will boost my solo target ??

😐 or night fee

[limber lion]

venthyr sure, don't play kyrian

[bleak sky]

Kyrian bad

[strange python]

so u sugges ,e venthyr ?

[limber lion]

sure

[bleak sky]

Yes.

[strange python]

nightfee is bad ?

[limber lion]

yes

[balmy condor]

the night fae simp himself

caught in 4k

[bleak sky]

Where's MiQ to catalog thid

This**

[strange python]

hmmm

[balmy condor]

@spice spire

[limber lion]

it's bad

for now.

:')

[strange python]

i think i dnt need necrolord

for aoe

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

jk we all know NF is dog

[bleak sky]

Too late no take backsies

[limber lion]

yeh

just go Venthyr

[strange python]

venthyr with legendary venthyr ?

[bleak sky]

Lady uwu will not forgive you for your sins

[limber lion]

sure

[strange python]

or just venthyr zolduck

[limber lion]

just stop thinking about stuff like that

and get more gear

choose one covenant

and stick to ti

[bleak sky]

Get more gear and read the guide :D

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[strange python]

u guys better than guide

[balmy condor]

wow

[strange python]

guide is usless

[balmy condor]

WOW

[strange python]

really

[limber swallow]

uhm

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

Ceverion wrote method guide what the frick

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

Whispyr wrote the other one

[strange python]

xdddddddddd

[limber swallow]

@balmy condor sorry bruh..

[balmy condor]

my names on 2 out of 3 of those guides

fuck

hurts

[cerulean nest]

bodied

[bleak sky]

And whispyr maintains the other

[strange python]

Sry

xdddddddddd

[bleak sky]

Get trashed on whispyr

And cev

[limber lion]

god damn

[bleak sky]

L

[balmy condor]

I just walked into a cross fire man

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

stray bullet

[limber lion]

the stuff we wrote on websites is bad

[gusty mirage]

can't get trashed on if you don't write a guide

[limber lion]

stuff we write here is good

[bleak sky]

take the L nerds

[balmy condor]

thats what I get for visiting @gusty mirage in whatever gang violence city he lives in up there

[strange python]

guys last question how about legendary of obedance

[balmy condor]

all the snow is red

[strange python]

??

[gusty mirage]

WOW

[limber lion]

obedience

is the venthyr legendary

[gusty mirage]

actually true

[limber lion]

it's good

take it

use it everywhere

[strange python]

better than zoldyck ?

[limber lion]

have fun

yes

use it in m+, in raid - everywhere

[strange python]

xddddd u want kill me

[balmy condor]

cev doing his best foreverguy cosplay right now

pad

the

meters

with

[gusty mirage]

lmfaoooooooooooooo

[balmy condor]

the message

[bleak sky]

kekw

[limber lion]

LUL

[gusty mirage]

#ForeverCev

[strange python]

he wnt kill me

guides is usless u guys is better

really

[balmy condor]

don't worry

[limber lion]

so many questions

[balmy condor]

he can't kill you

he's playing fae

[limber lion]

just read the guides or the faq

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

nah he's just finnish, they just seem like that

[strange python]

:DDD

[bleak sky]

Can someone revoke whispyr orange color

His guide is useless

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

Why he orange

[limber lion]

hey I only play NF in ptr

[balmy condor]

I picked this color cause I look good in orange

[limber lion]

Can't afford to sac my team

[bleak sky]

You look good in any color king

[gusty mirage]

you'd look even better in purple, there I said it

[bleak sky]

Especially no color

[balmy condor]

purple is actually my favorite color

[bleak sky]

Especially or specially? English hard

[balmy condor]

especially

[gusty mirage]

may I replace your froogy shy with a

it's simply the superior emote

[bleak sky]

True

[balmy condor]

specially -> specifically
especially -> exceptionally

it's a very fine difference

[gusty mirage]

whispyr emotes just hit diffy

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

I come here to learn grammar and rogue

[balmy condor]

whispyr emote usless like guides tbh

[bleak sky]

Two birds one stone

[limber lion]

and leave with empty hands

[balmy condor]

[umbral rapids]

omg that emote is so good what the hell

[cerulean nest]

who is the blue haired girl

lore check

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

I am

that's me

I'm the girl

[bleak sky]

Whispyr grill omg

[balmy condor]

only online

[limber lion]

do you look like your profile pic? you would be really cute if you did

😊

[spice spire]

Ty based shadowblade

[gusty mirage]

I've made it my new years resolution to troll you every day of january

[spice spire]

Good luck idiot

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

Can’t even get a rise out of me

[gusty mirage]

jokes on you, I already self identify as an idiot

[balmy condor]

very progressive of you

[bleak sky]

Iq check on bot

[balmy condor]

iq check on oxi

!log @gusty mirage

[prisma monolith]

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