I thought mechagnome was supposed to be giga for every profile
#assassination
bleak sky
vestal wren
dwarf bis
oak sky
This patch is weird cuz of crit
slow marsh
Dwarf crit dam
spice spire
Tauren 
slow marsh
Ye
bleak sky
o
vestal wren
but i would go tauren for sure 
gusty mirage
Tauren <:MonkeyPeepoThinking:711055834049675326>
I've been waiting 17 years for a tauren rogue
bleak sky
but i would go tauren for sure <:kekw:610125925413289985>
cow in stealth? I want
would drop belf in a heartbeat
slow marsh
I've been waiting 17 years for a tauren rogue
Dang you're old
spice spire
Same
spice spire
Dang you're old
Marriage check
slow marsh
You're a dumb
slow marsh
Yes
static pier
how to tauren rogue
step 1: gnome
step 2: orb of deception
spice spire
A damn fine man is @gusty mirage
static pier
now this does mean you can only play for 1/6th of your game time, due to the cd
but i'm sure it'll be fine
gusty mirage
A damn fine man is <@192059095279337473>
You've already been exiled from the island
you can't win your way back
sorry
viscid spear
how to tauren rogue
step 1: gnome
step 2: orb of deception
Sounds like a load of bull
spice spire
?????
slow marsh
Get rekt
spice spire
Necro gaming truly cost me everything
slow marsh
Imagine being exiled
spice spire
Unlucky
viscid spear
Imagine being exiled
Should've won the challenge for the Immunity idol.
vestal wren
Necro gaming truly cost me everything
join venthyr, they got free tea
bleak sky
join nf, they got lady uwu
spice spire
Nah
vestal wren
tbh soulshape is rly nice
viscid spear
join venthyr, they got free tea
got 4 Agis in a row
spice spire
I’ve fought the OTP life for too long
bleak sky
that much mobility is pretty dang nice
viscid spear
So <:MonkeyBlobShrug:710080071817363596>
Play a Mage
bleak sky
also it's time to level it up
vestal wren
idk, people who played raid testing did say mostly good things about the new raid
balmy condor
Already have
Then leave this place 
slow marsh
I'm leveling up nf on my surv so I can get my fix
gusty mirage
Already have
any cold snapping ice barriers in chat?
spice spire
spice spire
any cold snapping ice barriers in chat?
Yes man 
slow marsh
Geez dude
slow marsh
If you're gonna play an alt it has to be strictly worse than rogue
balmy condor
Mfer gonna be real mad when he learns I also played dh this tier
for your world 4k mythic nine kill?
gusty mirage
bleak sky
why so mean man
spice spire
Of course
spice spire
Dms are even worse dw mr. minalba
slow marsh
The best stories come from tragedy
balmy condor
why so mean man
It’s quake’s kink, he’s getting close
slow marsh
It is @spice spire 's fate
spice spire
I am inevitable
thorny pond
Quake why you thirsty?
balmy condor
Was uhhhhh a typo
balmy condor
:) I’m watching out for the homie
slow marsh
Note to self: quake SShots everything
balmy condor
He does
spice spire
Let me find it 
slow marsh
I never got my request
spice spire
The downside to screenshooting everything
slow marsh
I'm 100% right all the time
spice spire
Oh omw my way
wanton creek
Are there theory’s as to what will be good in 9.2 yet or too early
gusty mirage
Are there theory’s as to what will be good in 9.2 yet or too early
venthyr, dusk + obedience
huge dam
balmy condor
Are there theory’s as to what will be good in 9.2 yet or too early
Got a pin with some sims, tldr is venth/Fae, and duskwalkers
spice spire
balmy condor
Hits less hard without the sender tbh
spice spire
Sorry king I’ve failed you
hollow river
slow marsh
balmy condor
spice spire
That wasn’t the OG
gusty mirage
Hits less hard without the sender tbh
spice spire
@gusty mirage
hollow river
lmao
spice spire
This is assassination lore I promise 
balmy condor
spice spire
This is oxi’s origin story
winter vapor
so, getting past the 33% enrage on mage tower, help please 😦
balmy condor
so, getting past the 33% enrage on mage tower, help please 😦
The enrage is time based
spice spire
Until then it’s just me sharing screenshots of rogue nonsense of yesterday 
vestal wren
hit us with the rogue tier set nerfs 
spice spire
I’ve got some bad news for you king
bleak sky
uh oh
vestal wren
i hope the next season affix is on ptr
spice spire
That would also be a nice change. I’m interested in it 
balmy condor
i hope the next season affix is on ptr
It’s just inspiring + tormented
bleak sky
do you think the tier set changes go on PTR as they are or
balmy condor
bleak sky
already pushing a nerfed version of the changes
vestal wren
that sounds less exciting
balmy condor
do you think the tier set changes go on PTR as they are or
They’ll probably survive 1 week I would think
vestal wren
i keep my hopes up for something nice
balmy condor
Not from the sounds of it
spice spire
I liked infernal quite a bit, actually
balmy condor
It sounds like infested + tormented buffs
static pier
Need content to talk about
actually speaking of content, does anyone make good youtube content for pve rogue
spice spire
But I’m kinda demonic 
bleak sky
I liked the buff, but the affix was just way too long imo
balmy condor
actually speaking of content, does anyone make good youtube content for pve rogu...
Zeratule
But guide wise it’s all fucked
Gets outdated instantly
bleak sky
one miniboss + 3 (4?) waves of adds was too much
static pier
i'm not even thinking about 9.2 right now, i'll wait til it's finalized
slow marsh
99% sure you’re in the vault
I wonder if I'm in the vault
balmy condor
There’s some podcast type stuff from marcelian that we’re on
static pier
which is to say, 9.2.5 
balmy condor
We being theorycrafters and high end people and such
spice spire
I wonder if I'm in the vault
Yes
static pier
i just wanna consume content tbh
spice spire
Almost all sim regulars are here
There’s also a good channel on twitch
Whispyrttv he does sims and raid content and the occasional key
balmy condor
spice spire
But he’s mostly a trackmania streamer these days
static pier
whispyr? never heard of him
slow marsh
It's ok
static pier
trackmania? now you've got my attention
balmy condor
Nothing else to do 
bleak sky
yeah https://www.twitch.tv/makeitquake is 100% top quality content I'm not a hostage and this is me saying it freely 
spice spire
Oh no
balmy condor
yeah https://www.twitch.tv/makeitquake is 100% top quality content I'm not a hos...
Do you have a newspaper with the current date?
static pier
alaso i searched zeratule on youtube and it gave me fucking Zatar's video about warglaive prio in phase 3 of tbc
bleak sky
Do you have a newspaper with the current date?
it's christmas merry christmas
balmy condor
alaso i searched zeratule on youtube and it gave me fucking Zatar's video about ...
Search red rogue maybe
@gray fjord your SEO is trash my guy
spice spire
Yeah he’s the red rogue on yt
slow marsh
It's the fancy u
slow marsh
Also shouldn't it be the red rouge
vestal wren
red rogue seems to find him fairly fast, so i guess the seo is fine
gray fjord
<@117802493454450697> your SEO is trash my guy
slow marsh
You'd get a lot more clicks
static pier
yea seo is fine if you search the red rogue
static pier
considering i watch actual 0 retail content on youtube
balmy condor
<:sadge:840048595390431251>
You don’t even have your YouTube linked to your discord what are you doiiiiiiiing
bleak sky
now THIS one
slow marsh
Imagine having a discord
bleak sky
Whispyr is getting MOGGED by a random lvl 50 Druid
balmy condor
now THIS one
hold up I haven’t used that Twitter in years hello
gray fjord
You don’t even have your YouTube linked to your discord what are you doiiiiiiiin...
I actually need to get one of them .gg discord names or whatever so I can link it more easily, no clue how people do that though and haven't looked into it. 
balmy condor
Like a vanity link?
gray fjord
Yeah I guess so?
balmy condor
That’s level 3 boosting
gray fjord
Dag
balmy condor
Yeh
I tried to make my discord public so it’s discoverable or whatever
And it was like “you need 7000 members to be public”
gray fjord
o.O
slow marsh
Surely you're not that far off
balmy condor
Ryfie and JPC combined barely get there
static pier
Wtf nobody told me about the incense of infinity, i've been doing world quests for conduits like a chump
Zeratule confirmed good content
spice spire
Surely you're not that far off
Only 6900 more king
We’ll get there
Zera is quite the helpful fellow
@static pier ravenholdt also is doing a podcast, so far only one episode is live, but you can find it on Spotify; unsure where else.
stuck knoll
I'm in another county at a funeral
balmy condor
Funeral doesn’t have wifi or what?
stuck knoll
Funeral doesn’t have wifi or what?
muda fuka 
balmy condor
gusty mirage
Funeral doesn’t have wifi or what?
spice spire
Tricks of the trade
static pier
Followed 
spice spire
They all did a great job
Can’t wait for the next episode (which I assume will be closer to 9.2)
balmy condor
Sooner rather than later :)
slow marsh
Soon ™️
spice spire
Awesome 
vestal wren
hopefully not blizz soon™️
spice spire
Yes, do 
viscid spear
Timed a Spires+15 with like 10 seconds to spare
spice spire
Howdy vita 
brazen zodiac
Howru
bleak sky
Timed a Spires+15 with like 10 seconds to spare
10 seconds is 9.9 seconds more than you need 
viscid spear
I really need a ToP, still looking
brazen zodiac
Sick, and well. Hope you had a great holiday weekend <:yejoice:59171743208780600...
I hope u feel better and I did thank u! I hope urs went swell as well! :D
viscid spear
I don't have a ToP completed on Fort, so I would think getting at least a 15 done would net me a good amount of score 
viscid spear
How close to ksm are you now? <:MonkeyPeepoThinking:711055834049675326>
1739
spice spire
viscid spear
spice spire
Show em the opener coach
oak sky
Mut snd sepsis shiv
oak sky
Idr the full thing actually
Maybe its mut snd mut gar sepsis shiv rupture vendetta vanish mut envenom mut
spice spire
It’s more cursed than that
bleak sky
teach me the way kings
spice spire
And it was lost to the aether
oak sky
Isnt there a mut before sepsis shiv
nocturne geode
does cloak show up as mitigated or absored on logs? i cant seem to find it lol
clever kindle
cloak makes spells miss
that's why you're not seeing it
as for effect removal though im not sure
nocturne geode
should still show though ehh?
clever kindle
no because there's no event to record I think, I dont know if theres a way to see what spells were cast by a boss that missed etc, when cloak has an effect tied to it like some of the azerite traits that healed you when you used it on magic effects I remember seeing it but cant thin of any other times
would probably depend on the mechanic
oak sky
Maybe something like netherwalk which is effectively 100% DR would show but since cloak is like a true immunity magic stuff just doesnt hit you
Thats an interesting question though i never thought about looking at cloak in logs
nocturne geode
i was just curious since you can remove dots w it and such
clever kindle
The actual affect applied is a -200% spell miss chance so I have no idea how that actually plays out for a DOT interaction unless they use some hardcoded values like that for removal or something
probably the trigger spell bit just clears the debuff entirely
nocturne geode
dam so logs are kinda janky with it
makes ense though thanks
i was just looking at some sylv pulls where i had taken damage and then obv have about half absorbed from frost set but i didnt see anything for cloak or 'mitigation' so i was curious how the logs look at that damage taken
thought it was maybe tucked into absorbed
thanks for clarifying
scarlet warren
It's scuffed if it procs both at the same time
That just sounds frustrating
If it's one at a time that's way better
limber lion
Yeh
nocturne geode
its 50/50
sometimes it does sometimes it doesnt
it is weird though ive had seed proc and no cheat and sometime cheat and no seed only a couple times ive noticed though
scarlet warren
Yeah when I played warlock in 9.0 I fucking hated using podtender I'm still glad it wasn't bis for aff then
Just seemed all around buggy and annoying
I mean sure it's nice having a cheat death if your class doesn't have one but if your class does like rogue does it seems like a shitshow in some cases
magic summit
Hey legos for Sin what should I be looking at making in raid and keys? 🙂
slow marsh
are you only playing sin or are you gonna play sub ever
magic summit
I don’t know yet honstaly
Probs will in keys if I have too yes
In that case I’ll run Crit Vers
magic summit
Cool
bleak sky
Probs will in keys if I have too yes
youu don't >have< to
magic summit
That’s very true but my team wants one lol I’m trying to fight the good fight butttt when everyone’s playing meta
And your not
It’s an losing battle
@bleak sky
magic summit
2.7
magic summit
Sweet
Probs be pushing to get 2.8 but don’t think we will push anymore till 9.2 as peeps are away
bleak sky
you can def get to 2.9 - 3k as sin, it'll just be hard
magic summit
On holiday
bleak sky
Seli was at like 2.9k before playing sub?
bleak sky
it's good aoe, but yeah you do lose a bit of funnel dam
magic summit
Yeeee oh well I’ll fight the good fight an play Sin! Hey we maybe better in 9.2 😂 you don’t know yet
With set looks dencent and 2 legos could help an bit more
subtle gyro
sin will be a powerhouse next tier imo
balmy condor
dawn ivy
its certainly copium that sins tier set will make it competitive in m+
it will make it better, but the chances it makes it competitive is a little silly. there are alot of tier sets coming next tier thats making some classes aoe fucking nuts on top of already being good baseline
alpine latch
@marble hemlock Do you Occular Gland for raid, m+, or both?
plush isle
Do we have an Spreadsheet about the Nightfae Priest Ability ?
balmy condor
no
bleak sky
Seli was talking about gland for M+
marble hemlock
<@!210784027752398848> Do you Occular Gland for raid, m+, or both?
both
alpine latch
Interesting. Good to know
soft shale
crit is very good and not many trinket favour assa as on uses unless you play venth
rapid flame
My worst winds rng thus far, 46% crit btw - and the one that did crit was on a target which died x)
oak sky
Idk ocular gland is good but for raid fusion amp and countermeasure are definitely better at the same ilvl
bleak sky
Imagine getting externals 
oak sky
solid venture
viscid spear
dawn ivy
Idk ocular gland is good but for raid fusion amp and countermeasure are definite...
for some reason gland/amp are within margin for me
countermeasure obviously above both 
dawn ivy
and double on use with amp/countermeasure feels a bit akward so i just go gland lmao
oak sky
Oh do you not have phial?
dawn ivy
not at 252
oak sky
Ic
dawn ivy
quit doing m+ this seaosn pretty early on
oak sky
I kinda started strong did none in the middle and now im doing it a lot again
Its been pretty fun
dawn ivy
hoping 9.2 is fun, i kinda want to get into m+ again
viscid spear
Two questions
bleak sky
Two questions
yes to both
viscid spear
- Are Legion items upgradeable?
- When I apply to a key, it shows my best on that dungeon right?
dawn ivy
to 246
yes
IF
their addon is up to date
i believe if their addon is not up to date it wont be current
bleak sky
damn my Yes to both was correct
viscid spear
So I could a CoS+10 for instance and if the ring drops I can upgrade it with Valor?
viscid spear
As for the second question, I don't have a ToP done on Fort so that's a big fat 
dawn ivy
the chances you get the ring BEFORE the valor to upgrade all the way to 246 is low
bleak sky
As for the second question, I don't have a ToP done on Fort so that's a big fat ...
they'll see your best tyra, dw
viscid spear
So just best overall?
bleak sky
yep
viscid spear
Well okay, that's a 15 on Tyr
Was worried I was being declined because of the other reason
A completed Fort ToP would do wonders for my score
noble light
Is there anything in specific I have to do this week apart from dotting the inspired one first? Do you funnel it with envenom?
balmy condor
If you aren’t cc’ing it, you should be vendetta’ing, shiving, envenoming, whatever single target, on the inspiring
arctic walrus
But my overall???
weak plover
we aren't around for overall
bleak sky
Cyclotronic Blast
crystal vault
How can i sim KA and PI, is there an option in raidbots?
arctic hare
the chances you get the ring BEFORE the valor to upgrade all the way to 246 is l...
This is true
Now I’ve gotta farm dht for the legs from there
uneven hamlet
Guys, some nice gear to MT?
run SOO m to get those sockets
trinket from pandaria eng good too
the trinket from the first boss in emerald is good too
arctic venture
got those.
viscid spear
Completed a ToP+16, at 1800 even now
arctic walrus
Dope
viscid spear
If I just complete at least 15s on both affixes that should be enough, right?
I'm just glad my score is purple now 
drifting cloud
yeah if you time all of them
slow needle
If you're looking for KSM you don't even need all 15s for both weeks. Just do mostly 15s but don't worry about a couple of 14s here or there.
viscid spear
Yeah I just want 2k
slow needle
Yeah. Shouldn't be to hard to get. You can get 1750 in one week if you can get all around 17/18 if you want to push a bit higher than 15s. May be enough to get it easy this week since you've done stuff in other weeks.
viscid spear
I'm at 1800 right now
slow needle
Yeah. I dunno what keys you've done though. It occurs to me that an interesting tool would be a utility that given a person's r.io gives a route to KSM with a max keystone level a person is willing to do.
Not super useful but an interesting thing to play around with making.
arctic hare
That would be cool to see
slow needle
I may have a play with that over the next few days. See if I can't make a proof of concept. Just make it generalised to calculate to any point. Perhaps a somewhat useful use case would be calculating what is required for the tormented hero title. Give yourself a todo list of sorts.
I realise that a simple answer is to just improve your lowest keys but I personally like todo lists and seeing the progress each step will take.
fallen cosmos
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
spice spire
I'm at 1800 right now
Soon ash 
viscid schooner
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PD6zTtCZnAQNdgLF#fight=3&type=damage-done
Is my dps good enough? Just found out i have logs haha
bleak sky
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PD6zTtCZnAQNdgLF#fight=3&type=damage-done
...
only you can say if it's enough or not
gusty mirage
Created a thread if you want to go through it w/ him @bleak sky
gusty mirage
yeah I'm currently in a game of phasmophobia lol
glass tulip
I'll take a peek and write some notes, minalba smacked my DPS around in a heroic run
bleak sky
Mavverick lies
oak sky
Its just too easy
balmy condor
Like your feminine facing parental figure
drifting cloud
dense herald
Could you boys see exsang getting any use with the new tier sets?
hollow river
oak sky
I love the current implementation of poison bomb
bleak sky
idk what it was before 
spark scaffold
bleak sky
spark scaffold
Alacrity makes for fun precheese on nerzhul aswell
Just mfd and auto urns prepull
For full snd and alacrity when fight stsrts
bleak sky
Just mfd and auto urns prepull
elaborate
spark scaffold
There are urnns like the torghast ones
bleak sky
ya
spark scaffold
All over the place before the bridge
bleak sky
mhm
spark scaffold
You can kill them individually by doing mfd snd/envenom 5 times
Gets 5 stacks and stacked snd on pull
But you need a 20 sec pull timer
final hull
is it worth to use 2x Edge of Night ? Or should i have only 1 in my off-hand
south cape
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
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Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
vast forum
is it worth to use 2x Edge of Night ? Or should i have only 1 in my off-hand
Depends on ilvl
strange python
Best thing to do is sim it.
alpine latch
is it worth to use 2x Edge of Night ? Or should i have only 1 in my off-hand
As others said, sim it. In general, 252 MH with 246 OH, but there are a lot of factors into what's better for your character.
I believe Sub is EoN > 252 MH, but again - sims will tell you that for sure
spark salmon
Last week i played doomblade for ST damage in M+, should i change my lego to zoldyck for add week?
pseudo hamlet
Last week i played doomblade for ST damage in M+, should i change my lego to zol...
According to sims the best M+ legendary is Obedience(if you're Venthyr of course), second one is Zoldyck.
Zoldyck gives you DPS always(under 35% hp) and is overall very good... I wouldn't use doomblade at all, even with Tyrannical. But that's just me.
pseudo hamlet
I am not using Obedience also, feels like it requires much more focus than Zoldyck. Which is 100% passive damage buff.
spark salmon
true true
timber socket
the court of stars ring any good?
cobalt hemlock
i think its bis with the sylvanas ring if im not wrong
limber lion
Correct
timber socket
guess ill start farming it then
cobalt hemlock
guess ill start farming it then
also faulty with phial for trinkets
timber socket
where does that one drop ?
timber socket
nah that all good
cobalt hemlock
good luck!
limber lion
Countermeasure is the single biggest upgrade you can get at full mythic raid gear
Would recommend farming it
cobalt hemlock
Gotta cram this weekend for it <:rooSuffer1:718970432484540558>
you will get it easy
spice spire
I’m sure I’ll find an easy farm group.
Would be a nice upgrade over the ocular too
cobalt hemlock
I’m sure I’ll find an easy farm group.
Would be a nice upgrade over the ocular t...
you dont use the guardian trinket?
alpine coyote
Can you upgrade the trinket with valor? So just spam low keys and boost it up?
cobalt hemlock
yes you can upgrade it with valor
alpine coyote
👌 poifect
alpine latch
Do you guys run Shard of Tel or Shard of Kyr in m+ to proc Shard of Zed?
alpine coyote
if you mean the faulty
Yeeep
spice spire
you dont use the guardian trinket?
3/10 M 😛
252 ocular is a higher sim than a 239. It’s kind of a free roll
cobalt hemlock
3/10 M 😛
252 ocular is a higher sim than a 239. It’s kind of a free roll
oh yeah good for you then its a very big upgrade then
spice spire
I like tel here. Since you’re going to crit a ton - you’ll be passing out a bit of healing
@alpine latch
I wish I had logs recently, I’d give you a more definitive answer
alpine latch
lol
spice spire
The feels way tel tho
spice spire
For m+
viscid spear
We switch Zed out for Tel in M+, right? Been doing that and wanted to doublecheck
viscid spear
Just felt like the drain ability is a bit better than the ally shield in dungeons, but it's probably miniscule
cobalt hemlock
i mean this stuff really doesnt matter untill like high 20+s where you probably want to be sub if you like minmaxing
viscid spear
I'd need a damn EoN before I can go Sub 
spice spire
Sub in this Christian assassination chat 
gusty mirage
I'd need a damn EoN before I can go Sub <:ApuSTINKS:746093552089694269>
You don’t need it to go sub, it just helps cushion the dps dif
bleak knoll
assassinate the sub
viscid spear
Why be a Sub-human when you can be a Sinner
cobalt hemlock
true
cobalt hemlock
what does that say?
viscid spear
Why not Dos Equis?
gusty mirage
what does that say?
Why not both
viscid spear
Stay thirsty my friends
cobalt hemlock
Why not both
alright thank you!
viscid spear
For the record I prefer soft, @gusty mirage
Hmm, first pull in PF and it goes bad and everyone leaves, good morning
Can Details show who broke CC?
limber lion
Yes
viscid spear
How? I have no idea how this thing works'
alpine latch
Right click on the window, it'll show you all of the things it can track
viscid spear
Ah, I see. Was trying to figure out how to look at a specific pull
alpine latch
All that is doable, just takes time.
viscid spear
So it says 2 CCs were broken but nothing is showing
Oh well, must've been just before pull or something for it not to show up
Just sucks, everyone got pissy and pointed fingers before dropping, on the first pull. Jeez
vast forum
What are you ccing in first pull in pf?
alpine latch
Yeah, you don't CC anything in PF on the first pull. That's a weird ass route
viscid spear
It was super weird
Monk Paralyzed one of the mushrooms to the right and the tank grabbed the other two and the big pat
I was just Garroting the two other shrooms as the tank pulled them away from the other and someone broke the CC
It was only a 14, I just need a damn dagger 
pearl ingot
imagine you as a rogue have to defend your group/route because they don´t wanted to shroud in pf
glass tulip
Every key I'm in they want to shroud in pf
noble light
Do you usually wait for full energy before activating your cds? Feels odd to not press a Button for 7s
glass tulip
No, just send em. Especially since vendetta also gives 60 free energy to start off the rotation
Then vanish allows for big combo point generation so you aren't really hurting for casts
alpine latch
Yeah, I guess PF is one of those keys that if you RIP the first boss
You RIP the key anyway
bleak sky
You guys shroud in PF?
Always
bleak sky
You RIP the key anyway
Depends on group and key level tho
cobalt hemlock
is it just me or plaguefall has a lot more dps checks and punishes you way more if you have bad dps as a group(on bosses)
bleak sky
Ah, I see. Was trying to figure out how to look at a specific pull
If details didn't help and you're really really curious, can always upload the log and take a closer look
viscid spear
is it just me or plaguefall has a lot more dps checks and punishes you way more...
The trash can be more brutal, in my opinion
bleak sky
is it just me or plaguefall has a lot more dps checks and punishes you way more...
pf feels like one of the easier dungeons so idk if I agree with that
Unless high high keys
viscid spear
If details didn't help and you're really really curious, can always upload the l...
I'm just figuring it out
cobalt hemlock
i mean like for example if you dont meet the dps check on first boss and he heals(with the big one) you are fucked or second if people dont focus the bomb
spice spire
During tyrannical week PF is definitely upping in difficulty. Glob definitely has a damage check.
Fortified it feels pretty free tbh
cobalt hemlock
i guess so
spice spire
It also depends on lieutenant rotation.
If Varruk is first, it definitely alleviates some pain
bleak sky
i mean like for example if you dont meet the dps check on first boss and he heal...
This is why most groups will have 1 or 2 players that can cc the big slime
spice spire
Blind
cobalt hemlock
Blind <:yejoice:591717432087806000>
its rough when people break it
bleak sky
And if you have a necrolord in there, you'll most likely have the red slime buff for the first boss + lust + battle pot
cobalt hemlock
isnt necro like overall the least played covenant? could be easily wrong
cobalt hemlock
i know i mean all classes
limber lion
Venthyr > Necro > Night Fae/Kyrian
Still no
Night Fae is the least played covenant
cobalt hemlock
really at least from 9.0 i used to be the most played one no?
limber lion
Necro is still good for Outlaw and Sin
cobalt hemlock
well i guess i learned something today
limber lion
Necro used to be a contender for the top spot for Sin and was best for Outlaw in 9.0, yes
Or at least in 9.0.5
bleak sky
isnt necro like overall the least played covenant? could be easily wrong
You have monks, priests, some rogues, some dks, some resto druids, some shamans
It's not rare to have a necrolord
inner temple
cobalt hemlock
cool
viscid spear
Night Fae is the least played covenant
I only ever see Kyrian players when I do the two Bastion dungeons, any other dungeon they're a rarity
Maybe I just don't pay attention
bleak sky
Your tanks are likely kyrian
limber lion
I mean yeah, in terms of all classes, Night Fae is probably the most played one
But definitely falls short on a rogue
subtle tundra
soulshape is also infuckingsane
cobalt hemlock
its definitely the best out of the covenant abilities
viscid spear
DoS shouldn't have a cast time unless you pick the perk that gives 2 charges
cobalt hemlock
that would definitely make it less situational
viscid spear
Like picking Theo's Leisurely Gait. Instead of increasing the CD to 1.5min it should make it the 1.5sec cast
spare flame
does faulty countermeasure sim well for assa?
sturdy mesa
pog 5th run lets go
umbral rapids
gz
gusty mirage
pog 5th run lets go
congrats onboth the trinket and saving yourself the mental anguish of 30-50 runs
cobalt hemlock
almost best thing about getting the trinket is not having to do the dungeon anymore
cobalt hemlock
whats the suicide prevention hot line?
slow marsh
yeah that's why i'm not bothering with ring tbh
even though ring will probably last longer than faulty
gusty mirage
yeah I assume there's a good chance future raid trinkets just end up being better
slow marsh
i.e it'll get replaced by a heroic ring instead of a normal trinket
cobalt hemlock
its gonna be much worse since we gonna have 1 min flagelation and not every cast with 1m 30sec
sturdy mesa
<:POGGIE:817558783110021132>
slow marsh
that's not what will make it worse
and faulty lines up better with obedience anyways so that's way off
wild mural
based on current sims you wont have to worry about flag anyway kekw
slow marsh
yeah you will
cobalt hemlock
oh boy dont tell me ill have to get nightfae to renown 80
slow marsh
venth will still be best
NF will be viable but not sure if apl changes will give it enough to beat venth
cobalt hemlock
i hope so
slow marsh
So the NF bois can play it if they want just like you could play necro this patch
cobalt hemlock
venth has by far the best covenant sanctum imo
bleak sky
If you don't like NF and enjoy Venthyr, you don't have to level it
People leveled it just to be safe, in case it's still ahead by any margin I guess
slow marsh
lack of content means leveling renowns to 80 gives a reason to log in
cobalt hemlock
i dont find it fun really
bleak sky
don't have to do it then 😛
cobalt hemlock
i know
gusty mirage
lack of content means leveling renowns to 80 gives a reason to log in
I still need a mythic sylv daggie
slow marsh
i still need a mythic slyv kill
hollow river
i still need a mythic slyv kill
me too buddy, me too
gusty mirage
<:besad:507266809431326729> me too buddy, me too
wait didn't you guys finally get it the other night?
weak plover
At this point I would be happy with a heroic sylv dagger
sour wraith
I still need a mythic sylv daggie
Mount >>>> dagger tho
spice spire
wait didn't you guys finally get it the other night?
This mf slept through the kill 
sour wraith
spice spire
I have every piece of loot from that bitch except the two I wanted most
You don’t have me yet 
gusty mirage
You don’t have me yet <:shy:695341321480568912>
anyone leave a needy necro sin rogue laying around???
slow marsh
i left mine in 9.0.5
spice spire
anyone leave a needy necro sin rogue laying around???
I’m the needy one
hollow river
@gusty mirage yes my guild did
viscid spear
"did", past-tense
hollow river
and i slept through raid somehow, first time ever
gusty mirage
and i slept through raid somehow, first time ever
hollow river
and we switched to 2 days a week
gusty mirage
I’m the needy one <:really:876974140840632400>
we're not talking about me, okay?
hollow river
im happy the guild got it though, either way
first CE for a new guild that formed mostly from 2 others
they changed the guild name after ce as well
viscid spear
I wish mine cared more about Mythic raiding
oak sky
Tbh if ur interested in mythic you probably have to bite the bullet and find a new guild
spice spire
Or barrel through it
oak sky
Its pretty hard to get into mythic raiding from nowhere
Everybody needs to want to do ot
It
viscid spear
Yeah, I figured that
spice spire
Ethical raids only
oak sky
Earlier bosses are pretty manageable but later in the raid coordination and planning starts being more important
bleak sky
(btw if any of you yellow bois need a DH in your guild hit me up)
bleak knoll
how are ya'll
bleak sky
good, chasing 2k io on alts, hbu?
bleak knoll
same, just got the 2k on my rogue 😄
thin ingot
guys how is the tier set looking for aoe potential on M+?
im getting pressured to decide for a main for 9.2
were a CE guild but most of my time goes into M+
like trying to push hard im 2.7k io with my main
bleak sky
im getting pressured to decide for a main for 9.2
tell your guild it's way WAY too early to decide that
we have no balance notes, no double legendary tuning, no adjustments on tier sets
thin ingot
i know, but everyone has already decided im like the only one struggling
cause tier ests are getting reworked and mainly for the same reason
bleak sky
idk doesn't sound like a good idea to decide on anything right now
subtle tundra
if you go with rogue, its 90% chance atleast 1 spec is good
and if youre a ce guild you should be able to pick up any of the specs quite fast
subtle tundra
?
thin ingot
freaking spamming black powder to do a fraction of the aoe other classes cna do when the sole reason i invite them is to funnel damage into the big bad mobs
subtle tundra
ok and what does that have to do with the spec
weak plover
then dont play it
subtle tundra
ok...?
but if youre gonna play rogue, you have to accept the possibility of having to play sub in raid
what if they make a good funnel boss
are you gonna play assa?
bleak sky
freaking spamming black powder to do a fraction of the aoe other classes cna do ...
you could just funnel tho
instead of BPing
brazen zodiac
but if youre gonna play rogue, you have to accept the possibility of having to p...
so true :(
subtle tundra
if you want the best of the guild you just have to suck it up and play whatevers best
thin ingot
i woudlnt play rogue if i had to play sub, thats why im asking if the assassin kit as it is now is looking strong since im being asked everyday about my main
subtle tundra
you can play whatever spec you want unless you are top 10
yes you can, but as i said
if you want the best, play the best
thin ingot
you can play whatever spec you want unless you are top 10
thats true
grave depot
yeye
subtle tundra
if the difference is like 5% between specs, play whatever
bleak sky
what if they make a good funnel boss
anduin looks like a fun funnel
subtle tundra
but if outlaw/assa are bad and sub is really good then youre gonna have to play sub
oak sky
Anduin looks like a banger sub boss tbh
But that doesnt mean sin is bad on it
Its the p2 anduin intermission thats nice
clever kindle
This mf slept through the kill <:PepeHands:471871740381888522>
shoutout to when I had to work late during our 0 lights prog in WOTLK and missed our kill
spice spire
OOOOOOF
slow marsh
Its the p2 anduin intermission thats nice
i think sin and sub will end up in the sameish boat
running dusk + obed next patch means our funnel is actually something compared to sub
thorny pond
eh
soft shale
nah nf assa will be the play
septic shock to the moon
then get blades and ar every min pog
soft shale
people understimate the power of just swinging faster
gusty mirage
where assassination has unlimited energy
vestal wren
^ big missed oppotunity
gusty mirage
sadness is the copium all the fae fanboys are coming up with
soft shale
might play necro+dusk for some mix max of st vs omegacleave
gusty mirage
soft shale
instead of going padlord with zoldyck
i mean blades is kinda neat if you end up playing deeper as that nf build
with so much energy
soft shale
i mean unless they kinda nerf the 2`p
gusty mirage
they are nerfing the 2pc
soft shale
necro is going to be quite fine for m+ and cleave
soft shale
yea but even ata 50% with all the shit rolling in sbs
thorny pond
Smh
soft shale
spike is a wang st leggo but for 3target + you gain so many globals
gusty mirage
500 damage sbs ticks are what we're creaming about?
gusty mirage
meanwhile a ww monk sneezes and trash gets deleted
soft shale
ahaha true
gusty mirage
any rogue thinking that any of these "aoe" components to the tier sets are relevant is huffing the finest Colombian hopium
thorny pond
Pantheon will be your token necro fight. Good luck in m+ with sin, all AoE specs are getting giga buffed and will melt before bleeds go up
soft shale
there is no aoe to be had
soft shale
but cleave seems lit
pallid bough
by Push
soft shale
he did
pallid bough
damn
gusty mirage
yeah cleave will be good for sure
spice spire
<@!226508540746006528> hear that?
Dead covenant sorry king
No amount of wombo combo will work
soft shale
aoe and rogue do not belong on the same sentence
spice spire
Unfortunate
soft shale
is like talking about sub and mastery kek
thorny pond
Just double down on ST. Don’t try to be something you’re not
gusty mirage
No amount of wombo combo will work
but what if they rework deathspike? 
pallid bough
JPC already writing it ^
thorny pond
but what if they rework deathspike? <:COPIUM:848757417156149248>
If my uncle was a women she’d be my aunt
spice spire
but what if they rework deathspike? <:COPIUM:848757417156149248>
What if they fix deathspike first 
gusty mirage
when
pallid bough
a while ago
vestal wren
☎️ hallo is blizz there, pls fix/rework necro legendary, thanks
pallid bough
oh oki
spice spire
My boy is getting murdered
thorny pond
Rogue hasn’t had AoE in so long even if we were best AoE nobody would notice
thorny pond
“We need AoE. There’s a rogue and WW in queue. Eh take the WW”
soft shale
man 4 years pass quite fast eh
thorny pond
It’s been more than 4 king
soft shale
man im getting older
gusty mirage
My boy is getting murdered <:PepeHands:471871740381888522>
blame outlaw
they're the reason deathspike sucks
soft shale
just the other day someone got 1 shot on globbulus
soft shale
and now we're here on shadowlands
spice spire
Outlaw is chill
thorny pond
Outlul had a shotgun of bones
thorny pond
That’s why you aren’t necro
thorny pond
Pandaland was a different genre and game
Multi strike stonks
“Elemental shaman one shot me”
soft shale
dont even remember what assa set did in SoO
spice spire
Blindside dispatch
soft shale
but the ToT combat set was so cool
thorny pond
Yes it was
gusty mirage
outlaw can finally get more MAIN GAUCHE
too bad mastery for outlaw just increases main gauche damage now
thorny pond
Bring back Multistrike and Armor Pen
soft shale
made good players do like 2x or 3x damage of bad players so blizz never did it again
they had to protect us from 0,5 gcd
thorny pond
Crit Haste MS ArP as our stats plz
soft shale
i liked multistrike
quite a lot for sub
it was k for assa and combat too
the 4 days of 400% exsang
kek
doing 1000% of burst in liek 4 secs
spark scaffold
Is there any way to check time spent in combat / dps in combat in a log?
spark scaffold
Yeah i mean in a more efficient way
Oh
Nvm im just dumb you meant active time is basicly combat
pallid bough
Multi strike stonks
multistrike was in WoD
spice spire
ember mural
thorny pond
multistrike was in WoD
What was that?
viscid spear
soft shale
multistrike was wod correct
there was a trinket that did multistrikes earlier in siege not to confuse them
pallid bough
oh ya
viscid spear
It's bizarre remembering all these secondary stats that used to exist
soft shale
spirit was also in tbc and wotlk
viscid spear
Yeah, spirit got the boot in Cata
soft shale
and it was funny because you had spirit and mana reg per sec
because baseline only priests specced into holy could regen in combat
from spirit
viscid spear
What... What did you just do, Ashkitten?! Brann! Braaaaan!
Details!: First Hit: Word of Recall (OLD) from Flame Leviathan Boss First Target: Ashkitten
idk what that is
limber lion
It's melee
viscid spear
Heckin confuse 
pallid bough
Yeah, spirit got the boot in Cata
I think it got reworked right in cata?
because I definitely remember having Spirit as a healer for mana regen in MoP
viscid spear
I just remember 7.5% hit
pallid bough
yeah
viscid spear
Kinda chilly in here
balmy condor
viscid spear
Shine bright like a diamond
sorry
gusty mirage
Why does Heartpierce give mana if it's an Agi dagger?
Equip: Your melee attacks have a chance to trigger Invigoration, granting you 4 energy, 2 rage, or 120 mana every 2 sec for 10 sec.
viscid spear
What class would need the mana? 
gusty mirage
druids did back in the day
idk
idr when hunters lost mana
wow was weird back in the day
bleak sky
<a:peeporeallysad:585740413827022851>
wat dis
viscid spear
Watching Terenas and Tirion wail on Arthas
I do like being able to poison the first boss in Court of Stars, this Timewalking has at least given me that
Gotta take those little wins when you can
bleak sky
you boomers
viscid spear
bleak knoll
I call us, legends.
wild rampart
!def
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz
final hull
2x Edge of Night stacking some of their effect (dmg or chance per CP) ???
gusty mirage
damage
final hull
so if i play EoN in both hands , then dmg from EoN is bigger ?
final hull
so dont 1391 but 2782
balmy condor
yeh
final hull
noiz
balmy condor
yeh except 233's are dogshit
bleak sky
so I just had this discussion with guildies and I think I'm right but
when we say FoK on 3+ targets (as a builder, not just applying poisons), we actually mean >=4 you FoK and not >=3, right?
balmy condor
and unless you have a 259 eon
you would only use 1 anyway
cause a 252 normal dagger > 246 eon
and a 246 valor dagger > 233 eon
final hull
yesterday i dropped 246 eon
balmy condor
nice
balmy condor
so I just had this discussion with guildies and I think I'm right but
when we s...
you fok on 4 as a builder
limber lion
so I just had this discussion with guildies and I think I'm right but
when we s...
We FoK on 4+ targets
bleak sky
ya
trail locust
@limber lion so I just swapped to kyrian outlaw what IS neste Covenant and legendaries?
bleak sky
what
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> so I just swapped to kyrian outlaw what IS neste Covenant ...
Kyrian bad. Outlaw bad. Sad times.
Only pain
solid mica
we refresh CT on ST?
arctic walrus
with no dashing outside shiv/vendetta yuh
solid mica
with dashing?
slow marsh
With dashing you only CT in multi
hollow river
Or do we still go BS/DS
BS/DS for Guardian only
everywhere else we go EP/MFD or EP/Vig
thorny nest
word
kindred rapids
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tqQ41n9cpm6dCNaw/#fight=5&type=damage-done
Wipe parses are meaningless and so are ilvl parses.
Still, nj
slow marsh
kill timers be like that
thorny pond
If you don’t kill the boss you can’t get loot, then your ilvl stays low so you can pump those ilvl parses
spare flame
So my faulty countermeasure is doing as much damage as my poisons. Theyre gonna nerf this thing arent they