assassination

[sand sigil]

ah yeh. well earlier on it was still a solid gain to use pf and core on sin, not exactly sure what changed but ez enough. agi better anyways more consistent

nothing worse than using pf and doing 7k damage with it lol

[slow marsh]

yeah true

[echo geyser]

maybe PI diff for pf stonks

[twilit lagoon]

At what point do frost shards become better than unholy shards? Are they always better? I don't have any frost dom socket gear, but I'm still curious.

[slow marsh]

uhhhhh like rank 3 or 4 frost

[twilit lagoon]

ok

[vestal wren]

just highlights that we are usually fast with bans or that the bot filter works well^^

[soft shale]

big gamers in the high places

[viscid spear]

Yessir, I'll behave boss.

[vestal wren]

didn't know that you are a bot

[bleak sky]

ash you were outed

[viscid spear]

I am a human person, with feelings and bodily functions such as the breathe.

[slow marsh]

doubt

[vestal wren]

i saw that , tho it made no sense (0110 100 00110 0101 in ascii translates to "he")

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

in.....ascii?

[spice spire]

Emotion check, fuu

[slow marsh]

hey nice name

[bleak sky]

I see

nvm

[vestal wren]

ascii is the simplest character encoding, so i assumed he did use that

[spice spire]

Yeah thanks Mr. Iceblades

[vestal wren]

but i think i go a bit to much offtopic 😛

[bleak sky]

fuu failed, so

[viscid spear]

I'm just tilted because I had to work today so I haven't even seen my vault

[vestal wren]

back to assassination talk. Does james play assassination in raid now?

[spice spire]

James plays sub and sin iirc in raid

[slow marsh]

he only plays sin when he gets externals xD

[thorny pond]

same tho

[vestal wren]

sin probably benefits more from pi, so i guess it makes sense

[slow marsh]

its the KA

[bleak sky]

can't you go venth sub with frost set + KA tho?

[thorny pond]

If someone wants to give you KA for free...

[bleak sky]

isn't that kinda good?

[vestal wren]

Kindred should be fairly strong on sub too if you go venthyr

[thorny pond]

Then you have to play venth sub lol

[slow marsh]

it is but its strongest for frost

so you'd go venth sub frost set which sin would just be better right

[vestal wren]

likely can go frost on sub too, but unsure how it compares to assassination in terms of output

[slow marsh]

the itemization fits sin better i think

[sharp zodiac]

KA sub and sin are technically even

[thorny pond]

why go venth sub frost when you can just eat ass as ass

[sharp zodiac]

Sin gets a higher percent it just catches up to sub with KA

[slow marsh]

i'm sure sub actually still beats it out with dust prepull

[thorny pond]

Dust is like .5%

[sharp zodiac]

Honestly it all probably depends on frost crits

We love RNG

[thorny pond]

not rng if you have 100% crit

[sharp zodiac]

The math checks out

I mean you can probably sim it and see right. How do you sim for KA?

[slow marsh]

isn't dust better for venth than kyrian though

[sharp zodiac]

Dust is too scary for me. Can’t trust those fucking Boomkins not to pull early

[slow marsh]

yeah that's why you just gotta pull before them 😛

[sharp zodiac]

The real pull timer is watching wrath travel through the sky

The golden beam

[slow marsh]

that too

[vestal wren]

extended dust macro is like 1.5%

but ye, the basic version is not worth a lot

[thorny pond]

damn we got it to that huh

[vestal wren]

(tho i haven't simmed it on assassination, only on subtlety)

[slow marsh]

its no good for sin

yet

[safe barn]

sup fellas

how we doin in m+ with sin

or ASS

[vestal wren]

assassination works well in m+ but you usually look at subtlety if you push very high keys

[winter vapor]

I believe sub is a better damage profile overall, but im getting carried to 20's by my group so i can't be that bad

[sand sigil]

i usually play outlaw or sin on my main rogue, and then sub on the alt rogue

i kinda like to just switch it up here and there and keep stuff fresh. although last 2 weeks i've done almost all the raids on sub

i tried outlaw and got the worst rng of all time and then got pissed lol

let me see if i can find the ss

found it

[vestal wren]

[timid cloud]

Grand Melee!!!!

You ever just have a 10 minute long SND?

[sand sigil]

it's more about the contrast between the gm and the broadsides. the gm in and of itself isn't the problem there lol

[vestal wren]

well on the bright side, you did get to experience outlaw in raid

[sand sigil]

lol true

[timid cloud]

High highs.

Low lows.

Great spec.

[sand sigil]

but yeah i never get buffs and tonight i get buffs so 😈

[timid cloud]

[hushed dirge]

Debating on whether to take the belt for a 252 piece or the trinket for memes.

[weak plover]

Going for those sin parses?

[sand sigil]

eh a little bit ill see what i can get done. no 252 phial and no double pi so some logs should be hard to beat, but i think i'll be able to get half of them

main problem is my guild just kills every add fking instantly so where u might get some decent value from ct or multi dotting, it's not quite the same for me

[timid cloud]

You’re getting KA though right?

[sand sigil]

yeah that and 1 pi

[timid cloud]

Bless up, I think you got this.

[sand sigil]

just pray no mechanics on nine or fatescribe or kt

[timid cloud]

You won’t get Sylv though.

[sand sigil]

i saw that lol

[timid cloud]

So count that one off the list.

LOL

[hushed dirge]

I took the belt

[timid cloud]

You ever just...

[hollow escarp]

still missing some externals

can you focus magic other classes other than mage?

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[oak sky]

24 pis

That doesnt even count personal pi does it

[hollow escarp]

it doesn't

[timid cloud]

Someone hit me with it once or twice, but I don’t think it helps with Winds or with Poisons.

[sand sigil]

o i wasn't talking overall just rogues

[timid cloud]

I know, I’m just playing.

[hollow escarp]

imagine thinking you can get top overall as rogue

[sand sigil]

ya idk why nobody runs focus magic in parse runs

[weak plover]

252 phial doesn't exist @sand sigil

[sand sigil]

like it's such a no brainer straight 5% dps increase

[timid cloud]

But JPC, some say, I’ve heard...you’re the man...

[hollow escarp]

[oak sky]

Most of the sin logs are very beatable if you get some buffs

[slow needle]

Imagine having PI for 58% of the total fight length.

Assuming no overlaps.

[timid cloud]

You get like 1 or 2 & you can get a fairly decent one.

R1 Sin is like...25 externals for them though.

[oak sky]

You can probably get top 10-20 on every fight with no externals

At least

[timid cloud]

It’s been awhile since I’ve cared to look.

[sand sigil]

ya ezez

[timid cloud]

Yeah. Kill times gotta be crispy sometimes though.

Give me my perfect timers.

[oak sky]

My gear only became good enough to compete very recently but my guild didnt raid bosses this past week and the previous week we wiped on a 9k+ sylvanas

Its so sad

I just gotta keep at it results will come

[slow marsh]

just be better idk

[oak sky]

There is one thing i can do

Just been putting it off is all

[slow marsh]

whats that

[oak sky]

New guild

Already told my gm im gonna be looking around for next tier but

I just havent applied anywhere yet

[slow marsh]

i started getting burned out a bit so i decided to finally level an alt

[oak sky]

Ive been leveling alts like all expac

I have almost every class somewhere from 50-60

[slow marsh]

yeah i never had any desire to until recently just being bored in general

[cerulean nest]

finally got phial holyyyyyy

had to pass up the fatescribe helm but whatever

[arctic walrus]

oh no you poor thing

[rapid flame]

People playing with DS over obedience, is there any reasoning behind this? Was looking at wcl and seems its the majority, i've found obedience to be similar in damage and even have better values on some fights with mfd resets in flag windows/kill timers, is it just a preference thing? For myself playing with mfd and 1 min flags is a lot more enjoyable and more engaging i guess?

[balmy condor]

DS doesn't rely on fight times, usually does a little bit better for most, and is passive

most of it is literally just 0 effort and sims higher

and that's it

[viscid spear]

I've been gearing my Mage this month and really enjoying it.

[safe barn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[slow marsh]

it helps me to keep my brain working for the most part

learning new specs

[oak sky]

[viscid spear]

Frost Mage is just 58% Ice Lance

[quartz edge]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/thrall/reevenant can someone help me if i need any changes or whatever.

[balmy condor]

more ilvl everywhere

also no clue what's happening here

I assume it's just like some world questing thing or something

[hollow escarp]

is that venom rush?

[marble hemlock]

Venom rush :o

[quartz edge]

venom rush + doomblade has kept me at 6k on raid bosses

[balmy condor]

venom rush in raids

[quartz edge]

thats why im asking for help bud

[balmy condor]

yeah I would suggest talenting into alacrity and forgetting venom rush exists

[quartz edge]

fair.

[balmy condor]

I gotta poke a little fun at it, venom rush has never been used or suggested any time in the last 2-3 years so it's a bit of a giggle :P

[oak sky]

@arctic walrus damn another week of research

[heavy cedar]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[quartz edge]

im hitting what im simming at dps wise so its not bad.

but could always improve.

[oak sky]

you would sim higher with alacrity

[balmy condor]

just gotta up the sim then

[quartz edge]

^^

[bleak sky]

and master assassin I guess

[balmy condor]

yeah subterfuge isn't great either

[hollow escarp]

unless you are doing m+

[balmy condor]

at least not right now

4pc

[bleak sky]

nf

[balmy condor]

no

silence

no one likes you

go sit in the corner

[bleak sky]

you can't stop the

[oak sky]

venthyr ep/subt/deeper pb

😮

[balmy condor]

based

[oak sky]

always has been

[hollow escarp]

CT > PB

[oak sky]

not with this set

lol

[hollow escarp]

have I missed something?

[marble hemlock]

whats your problem with nf whispyr?

[arctic walrus]

how about you spend some time researching how to suck this dick

[balmy condor]

it plays like trash and your cooldowns don't stack up

[slow marsh]

nice

[oak sky]

idk im pretty sure pb is better

[bleak sky]

whispyr is about to doctor the APL so nf is 100% trash

[marble hemlock]

but, neither do flag/vendetta

[balmy condor]

sure they do

obedience brings it to 1min

that lines up

[marble hemlock]

but we havent been playing obedience in a while

[balmy condor]

?

the entire convo is about next patch

[marble hemlock]

yeah but

[balmy condor]

when you literally cannot play without it?

??????

????

[slow marsh]

imagine thinking we sync cds next patch

[bleak sky]

I don't even know what sepsis does

[hollow escarp]

it does big boom, in torghast 🙂

[marble hemlock]

but saying "its bad cuz cds dont sync up" when theyre not syncing up rn either

[arctic hare]

I just lost the first ring drop that I've seen in 23 god damned runs to a pvp buff

[oak sky]

i really dont mind playing ct and using it in st but being forced to talent it for st sounds 🤮

[arctic hare]

because we pvped for it...

[marble hemlock]

i can get behind the "it plays like shit"

[bleak sky]

"and you gain 1 use of any Stealth ability for 5 sec."

[balmy condor]

venth without obed plays like shit too

[marble hemlock]

ye

[bleak sky]

AMBUSH

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

but at least obed > TO

[slow marsh]

i mean 1.5min cds in general kinda suck

[marble hemlock]

also true

[balmy condor]

TO is a disaster lego

[oak sky]

not even worth

[slow marsh]

and yes obed huge > over TO

[oak sky]

you just dont use the sepsis stealth ability

[slow marsh]

yeah it's sad

[bleak sky]

does sepsis stealth ability count garrote as coming from stealth?

as in does it proc subt

[oak sky]

no

it silences though

[slow marsh]

it procs iron wire but not subt

[oak sky]

👍

[bleak sky]

[hollow escarp]

but you can cheap shot

[oak sky]

sub rogues in m+

👍

[slow marsh]

maybe we can get it changed /shrug

[marble hemlock]

kinda like how shadowmeld garrotes didnt benefit from subterfuge either, but did benefit from shrouded suffocation

[bleak sky]

it doesn't make sense to proc one but not the other

[marble hemlock]

game disagrees with you

[bleak sky]

game is against NF rogues 😠

[oak sky]

good

😈

[hollow escarp]

sepsis in torghast is pretty fun

almost as fun as sbs

[balmy condor]

also really don't like podtender tbh

[slow marsh]

but double cheat death is so good for tanking mechanics

[hollow escarp]

scuffed cheat death

[marble hemlock]

is awful

[hollow escarp]

I don't think you can even double soak Guardian with it

[bleak sky]

gotta try it

[hollow escarp]

but you can with heimir cheat death

[bleak sky]

but then you die as heimir

[marble hemlock]

but you can just drop an ankhtotem

and you wont even need a CR

[bleak sky]

[scarlet warren]

What cheat death takes prio? Is it podtender then regular cheat or the other way around?

Just curious

[balmy condor]

depending on the mechanic, it's both at the same time!

usually cheat procs first though iirc

[scarlet warren]

Oh that sounds scuffed

Thank God night fae is dead am I right

[limber lion]

How is that scuffed?

That's the better scenario

You can proc the normal cheat death first, and never have to proc Podtender

Podtender is a direct dps loss if it procs, cheat death isn't

[hollow river]

imagine getting to run Elusiveness though 🙂

[gusty mirage]

you can do that now

don't let your dreams be dreams

[hollow river]

yeah i know

would be nifty to have both for prog though

ngl

[gusty mirage]

just play mechagnome

[hollow river]

if only

[bleak sky]

both cheats proccing at the same time is so troll

[echo geyser]

what if u play mechagnome with dreamweaver NF + have cheat death talent

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[thorny pond]

Hey thats me

[marble hemlock]

If you die that often, i have something to tell you.

[arctic hare]

I've got 50% crit, its scary LOL

[clear shadow]

is it only worth to go theo if your tea rolls crit?

or is agility good

for sin

[hollow escarp]

agility is the worst

[bleak sky]

haste is good as well

haste = crit >>>>>>>>agi/vers for me

[oak sky]

Crit>haste>vers>>>>agi is pretty normal

[rapid prism]

so just started raiding as venth. do we hold flag for vandetta? or use it off cd after the opener?

[spice spire]

You want to line them up as you can without missing a cast. So tl;dr, it depends on your fight timers

[rapid prism]

on a straight fight where there wont be any natural holding. Like say Guardian. At that point is it worth holding flag for 30s to line up with every vandetta?

30s to hold a major cd seems long

[thorny pond]

if you don't lose a cast then yes

[rapid prism]

so basically if the fight is longer than 6 mins?

lol

[thorny pond]

Typically you just line the first and last but that's the easy version

some fights you will just have the opportunity to but you need to add a lil brain power

[ornate gazelle]

can rogues soak both tank hits with cloak on guardian?

[balmy condor]

ye

if by both tank hits you mean both yellow hits

the brown swirly is obviously something you shouldn't stand in

that will straight one shot you

[timid roost]

is hero rotation a good guide to use for rotations?

[pure sinew]

no

[hollow river]

its not a bad base line

it can help you learn priorities, and when to pool energy

[pure sinew]

use hekili if anything

[hollow river]

very good if you're just learning a spec

just don't get over dependent on it

[hollow river]

herorotation is fine

hekilli takes extra set up iirc

[pure sinew]

does not

everything is from simc

[hollow river]

either way

both are fine

[pure sinew]

probably at this point both are similiar

as long as the author didnt make the rotation

[hollow river]

"MaxDPS" is shit

but both hekilli and herorotation have been recommended all expac afaik

[timid roost]

okay sweet

[thorny pond]

Not sure how invested you want to get into the spec but I also recommend trying to learn the spells of the spec and how they interact a bit. The tool is good but you’ll also want to know the “why” and it’ll make you a better rogue

[rapid flame]

Couldn't see it mentioned anywhere, but has anyone tinkered around with saving vanish for the last 3 seconds of vendetta? (~20s) to get MA buff for first winds of winter procs? Guess it would be fine to do as long as you dont lose any uses

[balmy condor]

MA doesn't work on winds

[rapid flame]

Guess that settles it lmao

[timid roost]

i used to play sin in bfa but now i have 2 daggers and want to play something else besides sub

[hexed frost]

Subterfuge is giga in sanguine and halls

Basically shut down entire room after second overseer

[balmy condor]

subterfuge in m+ does that yeh

[timid cloud]

What's the Weakaura command?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[timid cloud]

Had to get it on the 2nd rogue. :p

[hexed frost]

Ok so on the SD gauntlet and shard gigapull in halls, I've some trouble in getting the rotation. Basically any pull which has a high HP mob and tons of small HP mobs(which will die in less than 12-16 seconds)

The opener is the usual 4x Garrottes, SnD, FoK and popping CT, but then should spread ruptures everywhere(and lose uptime on main mob) or pop vendetta/flag and try to funnel the prio target with shiv->FoK->Rupture->FoK->Envenom?

I feel without enough ruptures out, I don't have the energy to funnel FoK->Envenom more than few GCDs

[balmy condor]

If you can’t energy sustain cleave, you would snipe mobs that live about 4-5 seconds with rupture for some energy

[arctic hare]

27 runs

actually just got the ring

[hexed frost]

Oh yes. So basically leave them as it is and snipe them when they are at low HP for energy

[balmy condor]

If you’re trying to funnel you always want to have 5 bleeds up, or regularly sniping

So usually 3 garrotes + rupture on main target + an occasional snipe is fine

[hexed frost]

Ty

[vestal wren]

gz

[arctic hare]

thanks

will have to figure out how to play sub in M+ though, cause I'm just not pulling enough imo for keys

not sure yet, but still

[vestal wren]

subtlety isn't nessecery the spec for overall dps tho

[hexed frost]

Bruh until unless you're doing gigakeys, the overall aoe from sub and sin is similar, as long as you don't have a windwalker to absolutely obliterate packs as they will sink your dps

[arctic hare]

hmm

[lyric grail]

Anyone has a tier list on anima powers for raiding or where do I look it up ?

Etc. 1st boss

[oak sky]

not sure if we do but powers to look for are potent acid gland, elethium weights, huddled carvings, tremorbeast heart, erratic howler

[drifting cloud]

man how do you know them by name

actual machine

ten of towers is pretty good and ofc the 40% big boi one

[oak sky]

i have good word memory

[timid cloud]

That crit cloak one is lowkey slept on.

Subterfuge or whatever.

[oak sky]

v'lara's cape of subterfuge

[timid cloud]

Even if it’s overkill, it’s definitely gotten me some like 100k+ shards multiple times in a row.

[oak sky]

that ones alright

[timid cloud]

I think I’d go for ten, lumbering, elithium, & acid.

Since they changed ten its way stronger.

[static pier]

probably a stupid question but where would a good start to gearing be? got my r6 lego, at ~208 ilvl, but seems that I'm still too low for the people in dungeon finder to want me for low keys/SoD normal/tazavesh through the lfg tool

[jade minnow]

find pve guild, run m+ with friends pref. w leather... classic, there is no magic guide unless u have tons of gold to spend on boosts

[static pier]

unfortunately i don't know anybody who still plays retail, everyone either went to other games or tbcc

but yeah have been applying to some pve guilds while queueing for shit

[vestal wren]

the most important thing is to enjoy the game. If you do you usually can get into a guild or find people to play with

[static pier]

would be having a lot more fun if i wasn't getting donowalled whenever i try to do content that can give me upgrades lmao

[oak sky]

definitely try getting catchup gear from korthia if possible

should get you to around 220

other than that low keys is probably your best bet

[vestal wren]

thats probably a consequence of the long content cycles.
The entry barrire of content becomes fairly high and catchup mechanics don't make it easy to reach the established requirements.

to be fair, its a issue created by the players, so i can't blame it entirely on blizz

[cobalt hemlock]

also a lot of the time people wont invite you to their m+ group just because you dont have hero or any party buffs unless you have really good gear/rio

[static pier]

theres a lust drum right? i could always make that

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah but its not as good as they real one as far as i know and if you feel like paying for each run

[static pier]

its 15%, i dont remember how much real lust is

they're also dirt cheap, like 125g each on my server

[violet jackal]

Real lust is substantially better I think it’s 30%

[static pier]

oh, sure

[vestal wren]

blizz already made is not that bad by having multiple classes that can bring lust

i think that concept should extend and classes should be able to fill those niches more easy

[static pier]

also, is there anything i can do with dupe conduits? i got 2x of the same one at the same ilvl

or just delete them and feel bad

[thorny pond]

Delete

It happens from the boxes frequently

[static pier]

yea sick

tbh i think i did a world quest not realising i already had it in my bag

[thorny pond]

Yea you need to slot it but often times you’ll do Korthia weekly and get 2x there if you’re close to max threshold

[static pier]

yea fair

actually, how hard is conquest to farm without really having gear? the unranked glad weapon is a solid upgrade for me atm

[thorny pond]

If you are just a PvP junkie sure. I think M+ is a better ROI of your time though

[violet jackal]

M+ and tazavesh I would recommend

[static pier]

I'm not, really, I just like playing arenas, so if it's a way i could get new weapons reasonably quickly that'd be cool

since my weapons are 190, and the base ranked pvp weapons are 220

[thorny pond]

Mists and PF are good farmable content, taz

[static pier]

lmao finally got accepted, for a hoa +2
tank is 185 ilvl, healer and one of the dps are like 243

[thorny pond]

I would spam some keys for sure, if you daggers are that low, if this is an alt you can buy the korthia weapon token and send them over

[lyric grail]

Are the haste/Vers or crit/mastery or crit/Vers(pvp) bis until Sylvanas dagger ?

[thorny pond]

For PvE? You have many choices and typically it's always ilvl>stats

[lyric grail]

Y assa raiding

No the normal dagger from Sylvanas is better then any 249 I’m offhand

[static pier]

it is, but my main is barely ahead, no korthia stuff

[normal mist]

For assa, my sylv hc dagger was a 40 dps increase from mine 239 pop dagger lol

In the offhand ofc

[thorny pond]

MH is always going to be weapon damage so ilvl > all. OH you will want to sim. At some point, ilvl will beat out the sylvanas OH. I am unsure if that is LFR or normal but your best bet is to always sim it

[viscid spear]

My only choices were Mas-Vers 252 ring and Heroic KT shoulders

Thought I had more options

[arctic hare]

ew

[strange python]

Lfr outsims 252 for me

Wait this isn't sub channel nvm

[thorny pond]

Yea sin doesn't benefit as much

[viscid spear]

[arctic hare]

well, the kt shoulders are nice, the mastery-vers ring is terrrrrrrible

[alpine latch]

Is Sin the only spec with initial sims? I checked the pins and didn't see anything in the other channels

[viscid spear]

I got lazy and forgot to do more content, so I only had 1 option in each

[thorny pond]

Lot of bugs with other sets

[alpine latch]

Ah

Is Outlaw still giving you like 4x more combo points than you can spend?

[thorny pond]

No idea

[arctic hare]

LOTS of combo points!

[worn cloud]

what's the assa generic aoe rotation? fan of knives and spread ruptures, garrotes and tempests around? (no prio target)

[thorny pond]

Keep garrote on CD, don't overwrite subterfuge ones, keep rupture on as many as you can, maintain CT on 2+ targets

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[golden basalt]

And regardless of how tempting, FoK-> CT spam is useless 💔

[worn cloud]

👌

[thorny pond]

FoK is 4+ btw or 3+ if there is no poison ticking

[viscid spear]

FoK them up, sure

[thorny pond]

FoK used to be better

but SOMEONE went and ruined that for us

[viscid spear]

Who FoK'd FoK?

[strange python]

Man what a rough week to pug keys

I was hoping to hit 2500 but I can't get more than 2 pulls into a 21

with 2450+ people

[noble light]

Is assa rogue worse than sub in m+? It feels like I perform better with assa rogue

[thorny pond]

Sub rogue has the benefit of massive funnel

[vestal wren]

the diffrence only matters on very high keys, its fine to play any of the 3 specs if you don't push super high ones

the niche of subtlety atm fits very well in, what makes it the considered best option

[hexed frost]

What fuu said. Until unless you're pushing giga keys, different is non existent. And the difference is there because of how crazy sub funneling is.

[alpine latch]

That's not true. It FEELS good, even though it's useless in terms of maximizing damage.

[soft shale]

just wait until the rupture value

and sbs

[alpine latch]

Sin is definitely easier to perform well. Sub will outperform it, but I highly doubt you're reaching the cap of what Sin can perform. Sin is running 25s pretty well.

[arctic walrus]

okay but also how are you performing better than a spec where your aoe rotation is 2 buttons

[alpine latch]

Because if you're only hitting 2 buttons you're not performing the spec at fucking all

Unless you just don't hit any of your 3 buffs

Let's not be facetious here - there's far more than 2 buttons in the Sub aoe rotation

[strange python]

lol why, cause you hit flag on a priority mob...and dance/symbols once every 30 sec?

[worn panther]

I mean, it it a 2 button rotation... remember when people joked about 1 macro hunters in tbc? They had like 3 buttons more that they pushed manually, yet it was and it's still called a 1 button spec

[strange python]

I’m here to finish the debate

Its 2 buttons

[worn panther]

yeah xD

[strange python]

Lets not inhale too much copium

[spice spire]

Too late

Sometimes you flag

Third button

[worn panther]

2.3 button spec

[strange python]

Ye im sure you can include every button that you just press by default cause its just what you do

Shadow dance symbols flag shuriken tornado shuriken storm eviscerate black powder rupture

[spice spire]

[strange python]

And i have fire eater vial in my macro

Its like a 10 button rotation

lol

Im literally doing trig while I play

[spice spire]

Very true

[strange python]

Crazy shit

you gotta open from stealth, so that's anothe rbutton

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Literal beautiful mind type beat here

[strange python]

Plus if you apply your poisons, that's two more buttons

imagine if you didn't apply them

Like nah you spam dance because the spec design currently allows you to mindlessly use it in aoe

Its basically maintenance in aoe

Its just storm finisher x40000

[alpine latch]

I mean, sure - if you wanna break it down by that I guess? But Sin is only a 3-button rotation at that point

So who gives a shit

[strange python]

huh

[alpine latch]

If you're only counting generator/spender, we got FoK, Rupture, and CT

[strange python]

cause you're not garroting 4 things at the start and tabbing them all?

Sin aoe is definitely more nuanced than sub

so you're saying sub is 2 button aoe and sin is 3 button aoe? Is that your argument?

[alpine latch]

I'm saying that both takes are dumb as fuck

And it's more than 2 buttons

[strange python]

[steel geyser]

Sub is harder in ST while dumb in aoe, sin is the opposite

and I find that beautiful

[strange python]

Sub aoe is very uninteresting and thats coming from a otp

[steel geyser]

🤝

[strange python]

Out of curiosity Palmer, what is your sub and sin m+ ratings at?

[hollow dirge]

Sub aoe is shit. But st is not that complicated either.
Overall it’s an easier spec than assa, even though it’s seen otherwise, mostly based on old school sub from mists and wod, which is to date the best spec I had pleasure to play

[alpine latch]

It's more punishing if you do it wrong. I think that's why it's seen as harder. Sin is relatively simple - hit everything on CD, keep your bleeds up and you're set

[steel geyser]

enemy territory can't say much here

👀

[marble hemlock]

sub is a garbage spec for garbage people

[strange python]

Neither is difficult if you have muscle memory lmao

Specs are only difficult when you’re just approaching them

[steel geyser]

sin is a resident sleeper spec in single target

for resident sleeper people

[strange python]

Barrier to entry is like 90% of “difficulty”

At the same time different things can be difficult for different people

[alpine latch]

2170ish in Sin. I haven't touched Sub since Tomb of Sargeras. Not sure why it matters in an argument of how many buttons a spec has, though.

[strange python]

It matters becasue they feel a lot different in 16's and 22's

[marble hemlock]

the amount of buttons in the rotation doesnt matter

[alpine latch]

Great - I don't care about 22s. That wasn't even part of the discussion.

[steel geyser]

[strange python]

Yeah i know - i was just trying to get a vantage point to which you are seeing things from lol

[marble hemlock]

a spec can have 20 rotational buttons, if you only ever press 3 of them 98% of the time, its not a hard spec

and m+ in particular isnt about dps, its about executing mechanics.

unless youre playing 28s, what class or spec you play doesnt matter

[alpine latch]

I'm seeing things from "if you hit a button every 30s as a core part of your rotation, ignoring it from how many buttons you say the spec has is stupid af" point of view

Otherwise, Shiv isn't part of our rotation

Because it's damn near the same CD

[steel geyser]

Thats why I like current sub state. Fun single target rotation while dumb aoe rotation so you can focus on other stuff in m+

[hollow dirge]

Well that depends on what level of play you’re aiming at.
While good muscle memory will make you do rotations well, how and when to use what depending on the situation in raid, will still make or break your pull, rather than rotation. Being able to use your utilities to stay actively on every important target and so on.
This is not given by muscle memory.
If muscle memory was the only factor, we’d never have such difference between top and bottom logs

[alpine latch]

Also for what it's worth ghost, I think we've both spent more energy on this than we care to ... lol

I got like 3 hours of sleep and my ADHD is full on today. Moments of hyper focusing and not being able to focus. Great times..

[urban thistle]

I feel like class discords get a bad reputation because players with no credentials make outrageous claims and back them up with nonsensical arguments, and it makes people assume the entire discord is full of bad takes because we don't ban people for doing that

Anyway, what were we talking about?

[slow marsh]

Lmao

[alpine latch]

What makes "credentials" matter?

[slow marsh]

I just got here

[alpine latch]

Didn't Iceblade figure out Dashing was our best leggo?

[marble hemlock]

even a broken clock is right twice a day

[alpine latch]

roflmao

[slow marsh]

Tru

Which is why I've made it a point to follow up with 9.2

But regardless

Credentials are important despite how annoying it is

[steel geyser]

Does this disc have any kind of bad reputation ? I mean I understand why dh or lock would have one, but ours is perfect

[slow marsh]

Which is why I defer to whispyr with most of my stuff because people listen to him

[urban thistle]

I was just musing randomly, I didn't scroll up. To answer your question, though, credentials don't matter at all if you're saying good information, but if you're saying something ridiculous and wrong, it's definitely at least useful for making it seem like you at least thought about your opinion first

[slow marsh]

And I don't care who gets credit as long as we are getting better as a class

[urban thistle]

Again, didn't scroll up, no idea what the context is here

[alpine latch]

I think the issue with Class Discords is there are some like ours and Warriors that are amazing

And then there are some where no one cares and no one really helps

[slow marsh]

Very true

I joined trueshot lodge and it's just empty

[alpine latch]

I tried getting help on a Hunter rotation once and people told me to just run it through Wow Analyzer

[slow marsh]

Yeah it's rough trying to find information

We are blessed

[marble hemlock]

Credentials matter, to some extent, because people easily get lost in a single argument instead of seeing that one argument as part of a larger conversation that takes the entire picture into account.

So people argue any individual point with little to no context given, and then other people join in and take the argument at face value within the context that they it applies to, and then an entire argument spirals out of control over smth that wasn't even the point to begin with.

Credentials matter, because they give a context. Most people will know that most of what I say is within the context of m+, for example.

[urban thistle]

Or playing inferior specs because you can't multi task

[slow marsh]

[marble hemlock]

When Zephyr comments on smth in Assa or Sub, you know it to be within the context of an Outlaw OTP

[steel geyser]

[marble hemlock]

etc.

[urban thistle]

Not even

[marble hemlock]

Genshin OTP, sorry

[urban thistle]

When Zephyr posts message in spec channel, you know it to be a troll/meme message

[alpine latch]

His waifuus are top of the line

[marble hemlock]

True Zeph

But yeah, context matters, and credentials give context (or lack thereof)

[urban thistle]

I'm actually more of a husbando person

[marble hemlock]

Dont ever confuse that with the fact that credentials matter. They don't. Anyone without any credentials can still give context.

[alpine latch]

TBH I just learned what waifuus were like a week

[viscid spear]

Rogues are a brotherhood

[spice spire]

True

[alpine latch]

But hey, you do you. As long as you're happy you can love whoever you want ❤️

[spice spire]

All rogues actual ape m+ rotations

[slow marsh]

I'm 100% right

[urban thistle]

Outlaw literally just single target with 1 extra step

[spice spire]

Give me that BF

[urban thistle]

Garbage spec for oatmeal brain players

[spice spire]

Im looking

[marble hemlock]

Not wrong

[strange python]

I've actually really been enjoying feral too - but like every parse they have is 10-20% lower than rogue

[urban thistle]

Feral is cool

[strange python]

What do they even bring other than roar?

[urban thistle]

Damage

[strange python]

So they're still up there on dmg? despite being a good bit lower than rogues?

[urban thistle]

Heart of the wild convokes

[strange python]

lol yeah

I mean i dont think i'll "main" it - but i plan to keep it up to date in 9.2

[alpine latch]

I'm considering re-gearing my Warrior.

[strange python]

Fury seems fun

[alpine latch]

I only played it during Corruptions, but it was fun as fuck

It was just a non-stealth rogue at that point

[strange python]

I tried enhance - so bad...just not my thing

[slow marsh]

Working on being good at other specs helps sharpen you up as a player most of the time.

Sometimes it does the opposite of you're too split

[strange python]

yeah i agree

[slow marsh]

Or bail too early

[strange python]

I can perform similarly in m+ or raid as sub or sin - and 3 of the 4 covenants on either spec.

Feral ST is bonkers

that's why i like playing only rogue

[slow marsh]

Hot take but I don't think any rogue main should bother with alts until they can play all 3 specs

[strange python]

You get a deeper feel for the class

yeah outlaw just isn't my thing

I tried

[alpine latch]

Honestly, I'm a firm believer that if you can't play all of the specs of your class, you're not really good at that class.

[strange python]

lol

[slow marsh]

True

[alpine latch]

I specifically tell people I'm not a good rogue, I'm just good at the spec I'm playing at the time.

[strange python]

so a dude parsing 100's as sub/sin that hasn't tried outlaw - just isn't good at the class

ok

[slow marsh]

You can be good at a spec but not the class

[strange python]

You do just say a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense lol

[alpine latch]

👍

[slow marsh]

And you play feral so

[misty holly]

I can play all the specs of my class, but not at the same time. In 2008 I could play Sub, in 2016 I could play outlaw, and now I can play Sin.

[alpine latch]

hahaha

That sounds like me man

[slow marsh]

But anyways just because you aren't a fan of a spec doesn't mean you can't still learn it

[strange python]

you have to have the desire though

[alpine latch]

I mostly play one-spec per class and I learn it to the best of my ability

[strange python]

Zero desire to put on a 239 pox and try to learn outlaw

[slow marsh]

You do you then

[strange python]

Guess I'm a bad rogue lol

[inland hull]

This is my first expansion as rogue, so sin feels like a good starting point. I just actually ran my first +20s as sin this past week and kept up overall dps with our unholy and marksman, so I don't feel bad about it.

[slow marsh]

For most people it honestly doesn't matter because they can play any spec and their raid will take them

[alpine latch]

Do you understand the core concepts behind Outlaw?

[bleak knoll]

I know there is a guide on wowhead, but I'm getting weird results (damage) on when I use Vendetta/Flaggellation. What order needs to happen in order to maximize the damage output?

[strange python]

yeah if you timed a 20 and kept up with them, you're golden

[alpine latch]

Could you perform it at an okay level while not playing it regularly?

[slow marsh]

Flag first

[strange python]

nope ,not a thing about outlaw

[alpine latch]

eh, so you're good at 2 specs

That's better than most

[bleak knoll]

Appreciate that! I was doing vendetta first

[slow marsh]

You want to have bleeds up before you vendetta. I.e flag rupture in the opener

Ye its not a huge deal but it is an extra global or two of vendetta which is a gain

[inland hull]

We did not time, just competed... but we've pushed that far, and that feels nice.

[alpine latch]

Nice! I completed a 20 but got 0 points for it. Tyranical PF for my first 20 was probably a bad choice..

[strange python]

yeah - it's tough to say - theoretically you should probably be behind them.

*in overall

i've timed 21's and been top dmg though ... and missed 20's and been bottom ... it's just weird man

[weak plover]

anytime I am top damage in a key it feels pretty sus

[alpine latch]

That's a vibe

[urban thistle]

I'm really good at playing one spec at a time, too. But I've never managed to do a boss as sub and outlaw at once, let alone all three

[spice spire]

You’ll get there gamer, dw.

[slow marsh]

I believe in you

[urban thistle]

Thanks chat

[viscid spear]

Believe in me who believes in you

[alpine latch]

Ash - did youget KSM yet?

I hate that you're working when I'm actually online

[viscid spear]

Not yet, doing some Mage stuff and then going to skim for runs

[alpine latch]

I haven't even touched MT

Or do you mean your alt mage?

[raven vapor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[viscid spear]

Alt mage, yeah

Not hard to figure out who I am in the Mage Discord, lol

[bleak sky]

hella late to the party but hard disagree

[slow marsh]

That's why it's a hot take

[bleak sky]

flaming hot

change names to firebladesx

[slow marsh]

Never

[oak sky]

Naturebladesex

[bleak sky]

did you get that ending right agreon

something seems

[viscid spear]

More like Lukewarmwaterbladesx

[oak sky]

Running on 4 hours

Me rn

[bleak sky]

nap time

[slow marsh]

[oak sky]

:oxiSheesh:

[viscid spear]

[slow marsh]

We are actually so spoiled

I just looked at surv apl and uhhhhh yikes

[spice spire]

You didn’t need to do that to yourself

Never look at warlock APL

[vestal wren]

i would say looking at our apl can also be quite challenging

some conditions are not easy to understand

[gusty mirage]

warlocks have an apl?

[slow marsh]

I'm so used to reading our apl that it makes the surv confusing

[viscid spear]

apl?

[slow marsh]

Because it's all one line commands

[gusty mirage]

action priority list

[spice spire]

Action priority list

Fuck

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

Yeah I knew that

[spice spire]

It’s essentially how sims “play the class”

[viscid spear]

"stab stab slice stab cut stab stab"?

[slow marsh]

First day level 60 and already getting in arguments over apl / Sims in trueshot lodge

[spice spire]

Man makes enemies everywhere

[gusty mirage]

essentially yes

[spice spire]

Lest we talk about outlaw icebladesx

[viscid spear]

Outlaw talk is ironically outlawed here

[slow marsh]

[viscid spear]

[thorny pond]

That’s TSL mate

[slow marsh]

Yeah I'm just gonna dip out real quick lol

I'll figure it out right ?

[bleak sky]

is it that bad?

the hunter disc

I thought there was supposed to be this EU-Ragnaros hunter that should be akin to our lovely CF people

can't remember their name

[slow marsh]

Uhhhhh they were spamming pics of geese and then after I asked why my sim was double bombing some guy is giving me a lesson on how to read logs

So yeah

[thorny pond]

Hunter disc is very hostile

[slow marsh]

Thyminde

[bleak sky]

have you ever stepped foot on the OTHER priest discord?

[spice spire]

Hunter disc vs dh disc

[oak sky]

Wait

[slow marsh]

He writes the apl but doesn't follow it

[oak sky]

Theres 2 priest discords?

[spice spire]

Choose your fighter

Yeah

[thorny pond]

Hunters are like us. A lot of lifers, but we tend to be logical and rational. They tend to be angry and emotional

[bleak sky]

yep

[oak sky]

Whu

Why

[slow marsh]

I'm sure the BM/mm channels are better

[oak sky]

One for healers 1 for shadow?

[bleak sky]

one created by the banned people on the WCPriests discord

[spice spire]

You’d be wrong

[slow marsh]

Surv is like roaches under cardboard

[oak sky]

So the priest disc is WCpriests?

[thorny pond]

Just read Jak

[oak sky]

I dont heal tho

[bleak sky]

yes and no

[oak sky]

Ive played a little shadow

[bleak sky]

it is, but it's dead

Focused Will is like Havoc DH discord but for priests

see pic above

[slow marsh]

That's not DH ?

Holy

[bleak sky]

no

[oak sky]

Thats sick

[bleak sky]

it's a great discord to read and have fun, but if you need help you're fucked

[oak sky]

So what do priest players do

You cant analyze logs if everyone does different shit

[bleak sky]

find one priest you trust
copy all they do

[static pier]

can confirm, DH disc is fucking useless

[oak sky]

Rogue actually built different

[static pier]

tried to use it when i leveled my DH and it was literally less helpful than the classic rogue discord

[oak sky]

No

Dont leave

You want their emotes

[slow marsh]

Too late

[bleak sky]

Azortharion

[oak sky]

Wtf

[bleak sky]

remembered the person's name

[static pier]

that reminds me, I should get nitro again at some point

[oak sky]

Now all you have is

[bleak sky]

isn't Azortharion supposed to run shit over there?

[slow marsh]

I don't have nitro

[spice spire]

Iceblades-ex survival main

[oak sky]

Yeah me neither

[viscid spear]

This, just mute it permanently and put it in a folder called "Irrelevant"

[slow marsh]

Yeah he's the big hunter admin

But thyminde does the surv stuff

[bleak sky]

ohhh surv

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[oak sky]

I tried sv for a bit

[bleak sky]

seems fun as fuck

[oak sky]

I think mm is more fun probably

[viscid spear]

[slow marsh]

Surv is fun to me

[viscid spear]

Emotes are fun

[slow marsh]

Mm is zzz zzz and BM is even worse

[static pier]

is sv still the least popular hunter spec?

[oak sky]

I generally like melee but i would rather play other ones than hunter

[strange python]

People htat play rogues tend to be logical, data-driven people, that actually give a f

[slow marsh]

Least popular spec*

[static pier]

surely not, ghosted

the amount of people I know who picked rogue because lole edgy

[strange python]

yeah it's true, i checked, and double checked the data

[viscid spear]

[slow marsh]

I like the backwards spender builder that surv has and it's a mega aoe spec which is the only other melee that I would need

[oak sky]

Yeah a lot of people definitely play rogue because its edgy

[strange python]

wait rogue is edgy

[static pier]

||that's why i made a demon hunter as well||

[oak sky]

Whats the backwards spender builder

[oak sky]

Sub rogue is literally a ninja

[bleak sky]

and the tier set is looking juicy

[slow marsh]

You raptor strike as spender and kill command as builder but you start at 100 focus

[oak sky]

Yeah

Right

[viscid spear]

Damn paladin Discord has a tentacle hentai emote that uses 5 spaces

[strange python]

enh discord seems ok

feral discord also seems ok

[limber swallow]

they should just rename our specs as such.. ninja, pirate, jackass?

[strange python]

feral disc was so helpful when learning

[oak sky]

Arent those part of shaman and druid disc?

[strange python]

yeah

[slow marsh]

Yeah exactly. I figured I may as well have a backup but I wanted to keep it at arms length as to not risk anything

[static pier]

clearly they need to turn outlaw back into Combat

because no other classes would want to participate in combat, obviously

[oak sky]

Oh i just realized the multi role classes are probably more separate than this one

[strange python]

like forget to read a tooltip, they'll help you anyway, and not make you feel stoopid

[viscid spear]

Assassin, Ninja, Hufflepuff

[oak sky]

Hows the mage discord

[strange python]

wait...which one is jackass

[oak sky]

Probably a lot of boomer frost otps like this channel

[static pier]

jackass obv sin

[strange python]

i like assassin, ninja, and hufflepuff better

I don't even know why i mess around with other alts, i should just level an extra rogue

[static pier]

Stab, Slash, Bonk

[limber swallow]

problem with assassin and ninja, ninjas are technically assassins.

[static pier]

solved

[strange python]

but all assassinas aren't ninjas

[limber swallow]

that is true.

[static pier]

rectangle, square, circle

[oak sky]

Even better, they can be edgy together

[strange python]

sin is circle

[static pier]

sin is rectangle, sub is square, outlaw is circle

[strange python]

it's my favorite ps button so

[bleak sky]

sin isn't smooth enough to be a circle

[strange python]

damnit

[bleak sky]

outlaw is circle agreed

[viscid spear]

If you have to ask

[static pier]

not all assassins are ninjas, so assasin has to be a rectangle

[balmy condor]

what did I wake up to

Geometry class

[strange python]

They should just make outlaw ranged and get it over with

[viscid spear]

Shh no tears, only nightmares now

[limber swallow]

or make outlaw tank.

[thorny pond]

Yo orange man. I need to know what legos to craft for 9.2

[balmy condor]

All of them

[static pier]

unironically outlaw was described to me as a ranged spec, and is the only reason i actually tried rogue on retail

[thorny pond]

Sick dog thank you 🙏

[balmy condor]

Np

[bleak sky]

speaking of that

I really really want a ranged DH

[thorny pond]

Gonna put them in my legendary garage next to all my books

[static pier]

i also did not have DH explained to me at all and assumed it would be like d3 DH

[viscid spear]

"dual-wielding jackass that shoots people" sounds like an American in the South

[bleak sky]

this just in: Outlaw is Florida Man

[golden basalt]

You just reignited my interest in outlul spec

[viscid spear]

"Who drank my Mountain Dew?"
blunderbuss

[umbral rapids]

[thorny pond]

Why does everyone want to change specs or add more?

[viscid spear]

[thorny pond]

They’re going to take our utility

[slow marsh]

Just talking about my surv alt

[viscid spear]

Hey I'm a sinner to the core

[spice spire]

Former survival alt

[oak sky]

Low key i think theres potential if they do a dragon class if the dragon isles speculation is right

Just sayin

[thorny pond]

Bro no

[oak sky]

Could be cool

[thorny pond]

Our furry community is at peak

[slow marsh]

True

[balmy condor]

Dragon these nuts across your face LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[static pier]

GOTTEM

[oak sky]

Cant wait for vulpera dragonmancer

[thorny pond]

A vulpera dragonkin

[oak sky]

🤤

[thorny pond]

Frick uwu

[slow marsh]

Tinker class anyone ?

[spice spire]

Why did this turn into OT

[static pier]

clearly there's more room for furry culture in the game, give the animals what they want

[oak sky]

Tinker or bard could be cool too

[vestal wren]

pls no

[thorny pond]

2010 called

[slow marsh]

No mods

[balmy condor]

We already have mechgnome

[viscid spear]

My guess is we'll kill Thano-I mean Zovaal and when we get back to the Marvel Compou- I mean Azeroth then Wanda-I mean Turalyon has become evulz

[balmy condor]

That’s your tinker

[static pier]

but what about mechagnome for horde

[oak sky]

But anyway bleeds and poisons and shiv on cd

[spice spire]

No one plays

[static pier]

mechagoblin lego

[thorny pond]

Hard asf to unlock

[slow marsh]

I can't shiv on cd when I'm throwing bombs like someone who throws a lot of bombs

[balmy condor]

Yeh no one plays necrolord either but look at you

[static pier]

unironically would play vulp rogue if it wasn't a pain in the ass to unlock

[spice spire]

Damn homie

Why you gotta do me like that

[thorny pond]

9-1-1

[viscid spear]

Swore someone said Mechagnomes were the best race for Rogue, probably a troll

[thorny pond]

There’s been a murder

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

Mechagnome is best for almost everything

[static pier]

no that's regular gnome

[thorny pond]

Nobody would play it otherwise

[gusty mirage]

why hate on the diaper babies

[slow marsh]

Reg gnome is best for fury

[spice spire]

They are

[viscid spear]

Except reaching the top shelf and feeling the warmth of a person in the arms during a hug

[thorny pond]

I’m an allykin

[spice spire]

Unironically

The mog tho

[viscid spear]

I'm a Human for the rep

[static pier]

the real question is, why does my orb of deception turn me into a fuckin dwarf 0/10

[gusty mirage]

because it wants you to spam /laugh as a female dwarf

[thorny pond]

My pronouns are “HoF EZ” and “dead server”

[static pier]

you have emote sounds on???

[gusty mirage]

you don't?

[spice spire]

Oh no

[bleak sky]

gnome /train is disgusting

[gusty mirage]

between female dwarf laugh + female worgen cry

[static pier]

anyway gnome bis rogue class don't @ me

[gusty mirage]

idk why I'd ever turn it off

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

I used to be a gnome named sackstab

Good times

[gusty mirage]

imagine playing a gnome and not playing mechagnome

[spice spire]

Going to need to evaluate some psyches

[viscid spear]

Outlaw

[bleak sky]

way too much effort to unlock

[static pier]

combat

[bleak sky]

so that's a pass

[slow marsh]

You mean it makes everything make sense

[gusty mirage]

wdym

[static pier]

well, right now it's sub actually

[vestal wren]

playing

[static pier]

that's my rogue on ||tbc ||

[spice spire]

Fuu confirmed alli hater

[viscid spear]

You're gonna be in combat with this Discord section, you swashbucklin' weirdo

[gusty mirage]

you can just skip the dungeons now @bleak sky

[thorny pond]

If you aren’t getting KA PI and have 2 259s you aren’t even trying

[gusty mirage]

it doesn't take longer than 30-45 minutes now

[static pier]

i'm okay with this

[bleak sky]

O

[spice spire]

Don’t do me like this mr. beach

[bleak sky]

H U G E

[thorny pond]

You can have my rogue. I don’t want to play with it anymore

[vestal wren]

maybe its a valid option once we get cross fraction play

[slow marsh]

Alli races are def better

And towns

[gusty mirage]

heard you got a hof spot open

[slow marsh]

But pop says otherwise

[viscid spear]

[thorny pond]

Yea mine

[spice spire]

Aren’t you a mw main now

[balmy condor]

[static pier]

oh that reminds me, how useful is the in-game guild search tool thing? There doesn't seem to be a discord server for my shitty oce server lmao

[thorny pond]

I’m not a main anything on 2 days/week

[balmy condor]

Basically useless

[slow marsh]

This is the true leak for 10.0

Battle for warcraft

[balmy condor]

At least if you’re trying to find a raiding guild

[static pier]

very cool and good

[vestal wren]

[viscid spear]

[static pier]

wtb connections on barthilas

[bleak sky]

use warcraftlogs one

[thorny pond]

Just go find a new guild

[balmy condor]

You can find random casual guilds using it until your fingers bleed though

[bleak sky]

or just go on wowprogress and find a guild

[viscid spear]

🐴

[thorny pond]

Post in the discord

It’s fairly active

[slow marsh]

Or just wait for people to spam pst you with guild invites

[vestal wren]

is wcl recruiting already better than wowprogress or still not that great?

[gusty mirage]

no one wants to join ruin gaming or the old gods or broken shield

[bleak sky]

I put my ally rogue in a very very very casual guild and it's fun to watch

[balmy condor]

It’s pretty good

[bleak sky]

when I tried using it it led me to either dead guilds or dead guilds

[static pier]

somehow i have not gotten a single ginvite in the ~30 hours of being level 60

[viscid spear]

LFM Normal Tarra

[vestal wren]

i mean thats more a consequence of the state of the game 🤔

[gusty mirage]

do you have ginvites disabled?

p. sure elv comes with that enabled

[bleak sky]

there was this one Mistweaver in guild trying to convince himself that his main stat wasn't Intellect, but crit.

[static pier]

i don't think so, but i wouldnt be too surprised

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

Man would rather use a 207 crit heavy piece than a 239 whatever the fuck stats

[spice spire]

Yes of course

[viscid spear]

Always monks, man. idk why but they're all so bizarre

[balmy condor]

Mans living in wod

[static pier]

there's an 8/10 SoD N guild recruiting on my server

[spice spire]

Bro it’s for their frost shards

[spice spire]

Let’s go

[bleak sky]

they just got AoTC at least, happy for them

[gusty mirage]

naw venthyr mistweaver wants heavy crit

for fallen order

[viscid spear]

The best guild on my server is 1/10M