Don't be afraid to go ham on it :P
#assassination
limber lion
limber lion
Hah, it's okay. Atrocity's UI is a complete overhaul, mine is just a small sliver.
But he definitely has a good passive income from that.
arctic hare
Yeah, it took me such a long time to figure out how to tell if I had used my sbs on that target or not
glass junco
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
alpine latch
That's what I did. Used a handful of WA/Plater mods to get it exactly how I wanted it
The base you created was great, just for me I needed a few extra things
viscid spear
Rough weekend, It's back
spice spire
And now business cat has returned 
slow marsh
don't worry i've modified it so extensively i'm gonna start selling it as cev's plater 2.0
slow marsh
spice spire
In reality it’s just going to have a GIGA sized icon for sepsis
And that’s the difference
zealous marsh
slow marsh
how did you know
spice spire
I’m building your lore, remember, Mr. iceblades?
slow marsh
it'll also be fully compatible with survival hunter for no reason at all
spice spire
Correct
viscid spear
Lore? In my WoW? 
covert frost
do you guys recommend Zoldyck or obedience for m+?
dawn ivy
gusty mirage
do you guys recommend Zoldyck or obedience for m+?
if you had to pick just one, obedience
it's slightly lower overall than zold but more prio dam and infinitely more useful on bosses
viscid spear
Assuming you're Venthyr of course. 
covert frost
okay yea cause i just started playing rogue so i only have soul ash for one leggo atm
thank you
gusty mirage
plus obedience is the play for venthyr sub
so it's kind of a great first leggo to level
good in raid, good in m+ can be used for multispeccing
covert frost
sweet, thank you sir
vast river
hi, whats the main 2ndary stats i should focus on??
deft vault
with frost set its crit into haste
gusty mirage
crit/haste
deft vault
likely gonna be haste into crit
weak plover
just sim
gusty mirage
but just always equip the higher ilvl item
it's going to be a gain over secondaries
viscid spear
It'll still be Crit > Haste in 9.2 with the set, right?
slow marsh
maybe
balmy condor
with what % on the bonus
slow marsh
it'll be less crit than we have rigth now that is all that is certain
unless you have 40%
viscid spear
I've been dealing with fairly low crit ever since I switched to Frost set so I guess I wouldn't notice much
slow marsh
it'll be less than 50% and more than 20%
hollow river
I’m building your lore, remember, Mr. iceblades?
slow marsh
I’m building your lore, remember, Mr. iceblades?
the true loremaster
viscid spear
Yeah, that Cho guy is old news.
spice spire
the true loremaster
Yessir
balmy condor
I'm not gonna pin this anywhere, but for those interested, the best venth profile atm is crit >= haste > mastery >= vers, and it's wanting crit >= haste > vers >= mastery
sp
use that however you'd like
slow marsh
makes sense
spice spire
I'm not gonna pin this anywhere, but for those interested, the best venth profil...
That you master Whispyr.
I’m surprised that crit is still top priority given how much crit we stack. But this is good info all the same 
spice spire
This is true 
vast river
while im leveling i should go for haste or crit
gusty mirage
while im leveling i should go for haste or crit
always equip the higher item level
vast river
oh i have heirlooms tho
slow marsh
for leveling it's not a big deal tbh
viscid spear
Worry about stat weights when you're done leveling
glass tulip
Leveling with no haste feels like booty
thorny pond
leveling as ass feels like booty
balmy condor
Leveling feels like booty
red plaza
Yeah save yourself the headache go sub 🙂
thorny pond
Have you felt Oxi's booty?
viscid spear
Thought the recommended spec for leveling was Outlaw because of defensives or Sub with Soothing
red plaza
Shadow strike teleport evis mfd evis. Everything dies
viscid spear
Things die too fast for Sin's poisons to do much
spark scaffold
Might be a dumb question but is it ever worth snapshotting bleeds with tubbins and gubbins and does it even work like that
balmy condor
Does not work like that
The only snapshots are from the additional damage of “next cast” effects of subterfuge/nightstalker, and the haste snapshot on exsang/4 piece
spark scaffold
Thanks
slow marsh
Have you felt Oxi's booty?
I wish
gusty mirage
marble hemlock
Phial still snapshots haste too, doesn't it?
slow marsh
I heard exsang snapshots too
balmy condor
Phial still snapshots haste too, doesn't it?
I believe so but that's not something that can be controlled
vast glacier
If I use Envenom in an Elaborate Planning window from another finisher, will it be buffed? Or is any envenom buffed automatically by the EP?
balmy condor
envenom is buffed by the EP it gives
vast glacier
Cool, thanks. So there is no reason for trying to fit them back-to-back?
And it is better to spread them to improve the buff uptime?
slow marsh
outside of shiv / cds yeah you should probably try to pandemic the envenom buff and maximize EP uptime but i doubt it makes that big of a difference
that's just part of pooling which is less than 1%
vast glacier
Got it, thanks =-)
I'm always kinda lost without such a guidance, I always tried to fit the Env in the EP =-)
balmy condor
happens
jade minnow
Ye it might be 1% or 10%, pooling does a lot since wotlk
thorny pond
It’s a far cry from pooling around DP tick
balmy condor
yeh
pooling is basically dead
it's still an optimization
but you can pretty much ignore it entirely
and still 99 parse for free
viscid spear
<:WTFF:706034448654925904>
Like bags of sand
arctic walrus
and still 99 parse for free
lol
arctic walrus
it's not me it's the externals 
thorny pond
Viagra is an external, confirmed
sharp zodiac
Are we expecting any dramatic shifts in KA and PI values with double leggos and tier sets (I know we can’t sim it)
Give me tin foil
thorny pond
If it’s good, it probably got better
slow marsh
uhhhhhhh sin with dusk is looking really good
as a target
because you can get 45s vend which is the same as KA
thorny pond
Sin right now is a really good target without dusk you donut
slow marsh
listen here
oak sky
We are less op without frost set tho
thorny pond
Like probably the best
oak sky
Still op but less op
slow marsh
we will be less op but still the most op
sharp zodiac
Fire mage still going to crush in values tho
oak sky
Fire mage
oak sky
Fire mage has the benefit of also helping the boomie
oak sky
Or
thorny pond
And then they need external simps to do what I do baseline
sharp zodiac
True boomy hates venth pairing
oak sky
Fire mage can get both and help the boomie or rdruid or bear
thorny pond
True boomy hates venth pairing
Venth boom is dead
oak sky
I dont think any of them like crit do they
sharp zodiac
Venth boom is dead
Yeah by Kyrian boomy doesn’t like crit
sharp zodiac
You Mis read what I said
oak sky
slow marsh
tldr morale of the story is its tbd
oak sky
sharp zodiac
tldr morale of the story is its tbd
This is why I asked for tinfoil 
slow marsh
Tin foil we will be in top 3 guaranteed
nocturne geode
all 3 specs
thorny pond
Yeah by Kyrian boomy doesn’t like crit
I don’t care what they like or don’t like
oak sky
Wait
nocturne geode
i was looking through some log stuff idr what i did but sin/sub/outlaw were top 3 curently in one of the iterations i was looking at
slow marsh
top 3 for externals
oak sky
Oh
slow marsh
we need more nice things to tin foil a lock for top 3 overall
thorny pond
we need more nice things to tin foil a lock for top 3 overall
Lock benefits from vamp blood lego, literally have their own spec to simp them
nocturne geode
xD
slow marsh
Lock benefits from vamp blood lego, literally have their own spec to simp them
that's my point is that we need more nice things
like focus magic
thorny pond
I convinced a mage once. It was good for us
oak sky
Fm is stupid
nocturne geode
LOL
oak sky
Who would run that
slow marsh
I mean it IS good for us
slow marsh
no focus magic
thorny pond
what mastery?
Enjoy your ban
nocturne geode
lmfao
slow marsh
is an overall gain for raid dps i think
oak sky
Nah fm is stupid
sharp zodiac
Now how to ensure I get KA without other bitching 
thorny pond
You understand rune is the only way an average mage can compete with WW and Survival right for ST?
nocturne geode
play necro
strange python
what is KA
slow marsh
anything that will give us static crit % will be mega since we won't be using MA anymore
nocturne geode
tank will simp you then
sharp zodiac
what is KA
Kindred affinity
thorny pond
what is KA
If you have to ask, you can’t afford it
strange python
lol
strange python
jesus 8% crit
slow marsh
yeah and every 45s it doubles
nocturne geode
tank will simp you if you play necro LOL thats how i got KA on slyv
thorny pond
Aka the greatest divider in WoW community since SoO
nocturne geode
🙂
slow marsh
you're missing out on the free-est parses of your life then
sharp zodiac
Fuck PI real chads want KA
nocturne geode
its 8% unempowered and every one min for empowerment its 16%
slow marsh
its 8% unempowered and every one min for empowerment its 16%
45s
strange python
jeez
slow marsh
which is why it's mega for us in 9.2
oak sky
KA is only so ridiculous for us on venthyr
nocturne geode
no true
slow marsh
i mean if we end up going NF
nocturne geode
not
oak sky
It is true
nocturne geode
nah its big for necro too
oak sky
Vers would be better used on many other classes
sharp zodiac
Fuck the buff with shiv 
OUF
slow marsh
yeah
oak sky
You cuck your damage
slow marsh
16% vers for our 3rd/4th best stat?
oak sky
By going. Ecro
strange python
I'll never get KA...i'll never get PI...I'll never even get a windfury totem so
slow marsh
git gud
oak sky
Externals are externals
strange python
I got a windfury totem once and parsed 96's or higher lol
slow marsh
tbh you have to give your RL a reason to want to give you externals
oak sky
Obviously you do more dam getting the necro vers but its a smaller gain than if its like a monk got it or something
oak sky
??
strange python
jeez...that just sounds so strong. How did i not even know that existed.
oak sky
Getting stats is a gain
slow marsh
but you don't do more dam than venthyr by a long shot
oak sky
Its not rocket science
strange python
as necro?
oak sky
Doesnt make necro KA "good on us"
sharp zodiac
tbh you have to give your RL a reason to want to give you externals
What if YOU ARE the raid lead
strange python
I think venthyr out dmg'ing necro depends on fight timing.
oak sky
It probably adds less damage than most other classes get
nocturne geode
idk the necro dot ticks the hwole fight regardless of dr that alot of tiny damage over the whole fight lol
strange python
like it's hard not to get 100% of the dps out of necro honestly
nocturne geode
whole*
oak sky
Necro is like 600 dps behind in st
oak sky
Your KA might have made up for that
sharp zodiac
then you dont get externals lmao
That’s just a bad attitude
nocturne geode
you be suprised how much damage the dot does the hwole fight tho
oak sky
If yoh were venthyr it adds 1k over your venthyr dps
nocturne geode
its a bit crazy lol
oak sky
you be suprised how much damage the dot does the hwole fight tho
Lol its less than flag+ venthyr soulbinds thats all i need to know
strange python
it's like your standard sin gameplay - with some 4 CP protection thrown in
slow marsh
na it's just strictly better to give externals to someone who's full focusing on the fight and not being a bad ass raid lead that let's everyone monkey out without needing to pay attentino to mechanics
nocturne geode
lol okay dude w/e
nocturne geode
ohh so you play perfect got it
oak sky
??
strange python
who doesn't play perfect
slow marsh
this is a really weak arguement lol
sharp zodiac
na it's just strictly better to give externals to someone who's full focusing on...
I mean it is possible to do both
strange python
slow marsh
I mean it is possible to do both
true not saying it's not. and not saying you don't do good damage, obvi IK you're a gamer
oak sky
And I was saying necro does less damage than venthyr
charred wraith
i play perfect, you could relate to me
nocturne geode
i never said it was better
you literally just shoved my statement aside
to simp
so idc
sharp zodiac
true not saying it's not. and not saying you don't do good damage, obvi IK you'r...
I JUST WANNA DO BIG DAM
strange python
I just wanna convince a boomie to give me KA now
oak sky
Rdruid might do it
sharp zodiac
On farm? You just gotta be friends with them to simp for ya
oak sky
Yeah its the kyrian druid leggo
strange python
oh dang ok that's what's up
oak sky
Its like obedience for venthyr rogue
slow marsh
to answer the original question. KA will be super good on sin for 9.2 because vend will line up with KA cd + shiv, and we wont be using MA so the free crit will be huge for flag stacks
oak sky
It definitely has potential
slow marsh
whether or not it's better than fire mage killing themselves to do a billion damage is up in the air still
strange python
What are we using, subterfuge?
nocturne geode
was talking w some mages and combust can have up to a 55% + uptime pending resets
slow marsh
What are we using, subterfuge?
yes
strange python
nice...i've always liked subterfuge more anyway
I'm playing the secret sepsis build anyway
nocturne geode
dreamweaver
strange python
Are there warcraftlogs from the PTR up anywhere?
nocturne geode
there might be i didnt look earlier
strange python
I don't see it in the menu system
nocturne geode
maybe some private stuff then
bleak sky
Are there warcraftlogs from the PTR up anywhere?
gotta ask friends for links
or go here
strange python
thx
slow needle
Kalamazi posted logs and I think he had a rogue or 2 in his group.
From every raid testing session.
oak sky
Theres gonna be some wacky stuff since 9.2 isnt ironed out yet
strange python
yeah
slow marsh
yeah i wouldn't bother looking at rogue logs yet
oak sky
Theres hasnt even been testing of our new set bonus yet
slow marsh
most sin players weren't even playing the correct stuff on top of the 2p being super weak version
strange python
omg feral must be like absolute trash
oak sky
Ep deeper 
hexed frost
to answer the original question. KA will be super good on sin for 9.2 because ve...
KA?
strange python
oh wait this dude is guardian lol nvm
oak sky
Kindred link from druid with legendary @hexed frost
hexed frost
Ah ok
oak sky
Its an 8% stat buff based on your covenant that doubles when they empower it every 45s
Venth- crit fae- haste necro- vers kyrian- mastery
sharp zodiac
How close is Rdruid raid healing with NF -> Kyrian I imagine it’ll be more worth to have them play kyrian for KA another player on prog
oak sky
Well since they get to play an extra leggo with it its probably not too bad as a buff bot
slow marsh
NF is more throughput but resto throughput is fine
oak sky
In m+ they already are doing kyrian now
slow marsh
rdruid problem is no dr + no raid value outside of just throughput
oak sky
My first experience with KA was in a key
slow marsh
so rdruid as kyrian gives them a reason to be in raid
sharp zodiac
I mean the new raid is massive throughput
slow marsh
but people are talking about boomies going kyrian next patch
arctic hare
I've run around 20 court of stars so far, no hint of a ring or the pants
hurts my soul
subtle tundra
my pants drop every night, why doesnt anyone want them :((
oak sky
Yeah boomie could go kyrian as well but they want to link with fire mage
arctic hare
my pants drop every night, why doesnt anyone want them :((
Lol
sharp zodiac
but people are talking about boomies going kyrian next patch
I think initial sims I was told was that Boomy st as kyrian was like 2% lower than venth currently
sharp zodiac
So it’s more worth for them to play kyrian
balmy stump
should i craft a legendary thats not the renkown 40 one?
oak sky
Obedience is fine, dashing can be better in raid but obedience is a nice catch-all
slow marsh
I think initial sims I was told was that Boomy st as kyrian was like 2% lower th...
yeah afaik kyrian was their 2nd best cov so the nerf + KA popularity is steering them in that direction
oak sky
Rip convoke
slow marsh
i mean convoke was an easy button for sure
strange python
What happened to convoke haha
slow marsh
nothing
sharp zodiac
Nothing just if you’re trying seriously prog Kyrian with KA is just a better net gain for the raid
slow marsh
people liked convoke because it was free damage
strange python
gotcha
slow marsh
you can screw your entire everything but as long as you hit convoke at the right time it's OMG BOOMIE SO STRONG
oak sky
Yeah kyrian is probably good
strange python
I feel like feral with convoke and the bleed dmg leggo will be pretty stronk
sharp zodiac
Can you double bond? Can you be in a polyamorous relationship with several boomies
strange python
I'm either playing rogue (90%) or feral (5%) - 5% undecided.
slow marsh
so like they would benefit but you wouldn't
oak sky
You arent gonna need like 4 kyrian druids so if theres like a bear a boomie and an rdru the boomie might not need to be kyrian
slow marsh
i mean kyrian boomie is gonna be a pumper though i think
sharp zodiac
I'm either playing rogue (90%) or feral (5%) - 5% undecided.
I was told by a good feral that feral is just a worse assassination rogue
arctic hare
I wonder how useful it'll be for us, is it being reworked or something?
strange python
There's some things that feel better on it, and some that feel worse. I tried making an alt for like a month or two, and finally settled on feral lol.
bleak sky
Limited number of classes will get big value from KA so we shall see
it's what so far?
Rogue, Fae fire mage...?
slow marsh
peeps will just drop a boomie or two and restock on mages
sharp zodiac
I wonder how useful it'll be for us, is it being reworked or something?
We just talked about it a ton it’ll still be great for us
slow marsh
demo lock i think
arctic hare
We just talked about it a ton it’ll still be great for us
Ahh, epic
oak sky
I wonder how useful it'll be for us, is it being reworked or something?
We're one of the classes that gets big value from it since our covenant lines up with the stats we want
arctic hare
Even friggin better muhahahaha
arctic hare
Hmm, interesting
strange python
my RL hates rogues anyway - even if it was better for the raid, he'd give it to a caster.
bleak sky
peeps will just drop a boomie or two and restock on mages
if blizz nerfs our tier set and doesn't touch fire mages sets i'm gonna be MADGE
strange python
and i'd still be #1
slow marsh
if blizz nerfs our tier set and doesn't touch fire mages sets i'm gonna be MADGE
yeah seriously
oak sky
It was awkward playing with it in m+ because the rdru would send it on cd not with flag but if vendetta lines up it could be nice
bleak sky
you get simp in m+? 
sharp zodiac
yeah seriously
Don’t feel bad fire mage is the main character of WoW
slow marsh
guys should i swap to wad movement or keep qwe
oak sky
Whatever feels comfortable
slow marsh
anything can be comfortable if you play it long enough
oak sky
I like wasd because its familiar to fps
strange python
I could see a case for both
slow marsh
yeah i been playing a lot of apex lately so the wad wouldn't be hard to get used to
strange python
Truthfully...ESF would be better than WAD
slow marsh
i use ctrl mods though so i'd have to change to shift if i wen't wad
oak sky
Oh is it too far if you use q and e
slow marsh
yeah the reason i used ctrl mods were because of qwe movement and my pinky naturally rests on ctrl
strange python
This logitech mx keys ruined me
slow marsh
i have a 60%
strange python
I can't use anything else
slow marsh
i want a mini
slow marsh
i could do degen jpc binds with a mini tho
oak sky
I have full size 
obtuse robin
i cant play w/o grenade mouse either ruined me to
bleak sky
i could do degen jpc binds with a mini tho
you can do that with your current keyboard tho
slow marsh
true but no efficiently lol
oak sky
I got a tenkeyless tho im gonna use it soon
oak sky
Anyone else fat finger caps all the time?
strange python
I do gotta say - playing a rogue makes it hard to hit 95%+ on parses (not that it matters).
There's a lot of good talent playing rogue.
slow marsh
yeah na i'm gonna keep qwe because of the ctrl hting
arctic hare
Indeed lol
slow marsh
I do gotta say - playing a rogue makes it hard to hit 95%+ on parses (not that i...
it's not that
remember the whole KA convo
bleak sky
I do gotta say - playing a rogue makes it hard to hit 95%+ on parses (not that i...
isn't that true for all classes though
wild beacon
i'm happy with 75+
strange python
not sure honestly...i mean i'm a decent rogue - i have 4 orange parses on heroic, so
slow marsh
KA is such a massive gain that the parse pool is littered with high numbers that shouldn't be that high
slow marsh
asnd this late into farm everyone is parse farming
obtuse robin
i feel like theres certain kinds of ppl that play certain classes in general
strange python
good points
oak sky
You can hit 95+ on all the fights with no buffs for sure tho
slow marsh
oh yeah
obtuse robin
i feel like in general rogue attracts more players on the try hard sidde
slow marsh
ofc
strange python
alright be back in a bit guys
bleak sky
You can hit 95+ on all the fights with no buffs for sure tho
esp if it's heroic parses
oak sky
Oh yeah you can 99 every fight on heroic
oak sky
Gear might be an issue for him tho
slow marsh
it's just harder for sin because it's so littered with KA + PI + faeries shenanigans
sharp zodiac
i feel like in general rogue attracts more players on the try hard sidde
Chad class 
obtuse robin
arctic hare
I can't parse a blue parse on sylvanus for the life of me
slow marsh
rogue also has the best TC squad of all the classes i've checked out so there's that
arctic hare
TC?
obtuse robin
better then monk?
oak sky
Theorycrafting
arctic hare
Ahhh, okay
bleak sky
better then monk?
absolutely
sharp zodiac
better then monk?
You should watch whisp run sims
sharp zodiac
Makes my fucking brain hurt
obtuse robin
i been here a while
oak sky
I cant even fathom how other classes dont have this much info
oak sky
Nah
sharp zodiac
i been here a while
I know I know
slow marsh
I cant even fathom how other classes dont have this much info
allow me to introduce you to fellhammer
arctic hare
half of the havoc peeps are pricks
oak sky
I dont join the other ones because i dont play any other classes seriously rn
bleak sky
everytime I drop by another class discord (LOOKING AT YOU SPRIEST AND DH), I feel like a spoiled brat
they have no info
slow marsh
yeah
bleak sky
on anything
arctic hare
the vengeance isn't bad
oak sky
I just use wowhead guides for alts unless im playing serious
bleak sky
they just pin memes and shitpost
slow marsh
even when someone tries to drop good info they rip it apart like feral dogs
arctic hare
at least, the one question didn't get an idiotic response that had no business being there
bleak sky
like
arctic hare
even when someone tries to drop good info they rip it apart like feral dogs
this is true, I hate it, but its true
wild beacon
group hug?
oak sky
Windfury stonk high 📈
bleak sky
there was a change in meta on DHs from momentum to fb/db/demonic and I've no idea how that happened
slow marsh
demonic was always better
arctic hare
Momentum seems to just feel bad to play
oak sky
Momentum is sick
limber lion
I've heard the complete opposite
bleak sky
demonic was always better
momentum is and was always simming ahead
limber lion
A LOT of people enjoy Momentum
arctic hare
really? interesting
oak sky
Isnt demonic better for the frost set build
arctic hare
Then I'm definitely screwing up on something LOL
bleak sky
Isnt demonic better for the frost set build
idk but everyone is playing it
oak sky
Like momentum was better until high crit frost
arctic hare
Isnt demonic better for the frost set build
I'm guessing yes, cause eyebeam a ton of crits
a LOT
bleak sky
there's some level of sim bait on dreamweaver + momentum but still
oak sky
And also you get demons bite
slow marsh
momentum was better until people got tired of it and actually gave other stuff a chance and low and behold
arctic hare
which feels so much better imo
slow marsh
frost and eyebeam were there all along
arctic hare
I don't like being restricted to autoattacks, thats my biggest problem with momentum
slow marsh
- the venthyr buffs helped it a lot i think is what it was
bleak sky
you only really play venth in one fight tho
oak sky
Momentum kinda plays around windows iirc
arctic hare
yeah, I think thats right
arctic hare
I do love felblade
essence break is tasty
So are demon souls, but we already knew that
bleak sky
god I would kill for an external free wcl ranking
slow marsh
the problem with DH is that someone will come in and say "momentum is for real gamers, if you can't play momentum then you're just shit" but like for no reason cuz demonic is just as good if not better
but then everyone will listen to that guy
cuz he's the most degen chad
bleak sky
the problem with DH is that someone will come in and say "momentum is for real g...
I mean it is harder to play
oak sky
Their glaive tempest build looks cool but i havent seen a good one yet
bleak sky
Their glaive tempest build looks cool but i havent seen a good one yet
fun M+
slow marsh
I mean it is harder to play
ik
arctic hare
god I would kill for an external free wcl ranking
agreed
slow marsh
that's not the point
oak sky
Yeah ive played with a few but none of them do damage
I want to see glaive tempest at its potential
bleak sky
are we gonna get banhammer for discussing DH in here
oak sky
Nah but we probably shouldnt
slow marsh
nobody is talking about anything relevant it's still holiday weekend kinda
arctic hare
not if we say that we're just better than them LOL
gusty mirage
are we gonna get banhammer for discussing DH in here
oak sky
thorny pond
You know who runs NF? Demon Hunters
noble light
So if you're running m+ what's the rotation? I'll start with garrote on 4 targets (3 empowered ones and 1 normal) then I'm doing fok and crimson tempest. But what am I doing next? Rupture on some targets? Garrote of cd? Just spamming fok? 😩
strange python
3 garrote into fok into crimson
bleak sky
open with your empowered garrets, slice and dice, get a CT and start spreading ruptures
strange python
^ (if you dont have SnD already)
bleak sky
you should be able to maintain snd throughout the whole dungeon
strange python
true
noble light
Yea I'm doing that
oak sky
theres a few cases where it drops because of travel time but thats once or twice in like 3 dungeons
bleak sky
but key things are
noble light
So rupture instead of targetting one mob and envenom it down?
bleak sky
don't sit on vanish, use it to get fresh empowered garrotes
bleak sky
So rupture instead of targetting one mob and envenom it down?
rupture everything that you can rupture and if there's a prio mob shiv it + slam a few envenoms on that
noble light
Ok sounds reasonable
bleak sky
if there's something big to be killed (shard of halkias) I start forgetting to garrote mobs and just slam it, but that's probably a misplay
noble light
One last question: playing venthyr and it's so hard to get to 25/30 stacks. It was way easier as sub.
noble light
if there's something big to be killed (shard of halkias) I start forgetting to g...
That dungeon made me question my rotation. Exactly this mon :D
oak sky
yeah thats normal
bleak sky
One last question: playing venthyr and it's so hard to get to 25/30 stacks. It w...
on big enough packs you can pretty much always get 30
oak sky
should be 25-30 in aoe and 20+ or - a few in st
noble light
Ok. I'm using it not enough I guess. Usually only on bosses...
noble light
Do you use vendetta on cd as well?
bleak sky
pretty much yeah
noble light
Just hittin a random mob in packs?
bleak sky
Unless there's something coming up that MUST die fast and I know it won't be up for it
there's usually a prio mob in packs, so just send it on it
noble light
I've played a lot of outlaw last expansion and sub till now and I figured I really should try assa
Hella fun and engaging. Feels a bit more relaxing and slower paced than the other two
bleak sky
slower than outlaw for sure
but I feel like you're doing more things as sin than as sub when playing in M+
oak sky
@noble light yeah flag with obedience you just send whenever, youre safer holding vendetta for longer since its a 2minute but if you know theres like 2 aoe packs in a row just throw out your vendetta
balmy stump
how is doomblade as a catch up leggo?
or should i just get the renown first
im at around 25
oak sky
dashing is better than doomblade currently
scarlet warren
id save for obedience/dashing scoundrel
oak sky
but obedience is nicer if you like keys and raid both
balmy stump
is sin good in mythic raid rn?
noble light
the slowest in raid the fastest/annoying in m+
I mean sub in m+ is kinda dull... 2 button rotation
balmy stump
dont like playing sub or outlaw tbh
scarlet warren
yeah numbers wise i think sub and outlaw sim higher but sin is still a powerhouse
scarlet warren
all 3 specs are in a really good spot
very much agree with this
noble light
What leggo would you craft for m+? If you don't raid.
scarlet warren
yeah no more weekly lockout on soul ash/cinders
balmy stump
just need to farm soul ash
umbral rapids
i just realized i can farm the soul ash without waiting
yeah can just spam that
obtuse robin
I mean sub in m+ is kinda dull... 2 button rotation
im not sure what ur saying here
balmy stump
and renown
bleak sky
What leggo would you craft for m+? If you don't raid.
obedience 100%
balmy stump
i have a ton of gold left over
umbral rapids
nice send some 
bleak sky
some would say zoldyck's but ehhh
bleak sky
i think its like 300k
it's like 70k king
umbral rapids
yeah it's much cheaper than that
scarlet warren
What leggo would you craft for m+? If you don't raid.
zoldyck for necrolord probably and then obedience for venthyr
oak sky
do you mean a full run or just sylv?
balmy stump
oh full run
umbral rapids
for just sylvie yeah
balmy stump
meant full run sry
scarlet warren
but most sin rogues in keys just play venthyr so probably obedience
balmy stump
is it worth the catch up gear for the full carry?
bleak sky
only you can answer that
balmy stump
i mean im trying to gear up somewhat to get back into mythic raiding
bleak sky
you're probably 3-4weeks away from mythic raid anyway if you don't have leveled shards
late tartan
Hey I imagine there's been loads of questions about the mage tower but this is the final class I have left qnd I tried outlaw qnd constantly died to unavoidable damage so I went to assassination instead and after about an hour I've got it consistently to around 24% (dbm says 24%) but I keep having an overlap multiple times in a row of dark wings blood of my father. The fixate and the absorb and I just can't do it
limber lion
Just get a blind macro for the cast
late tartan
Nit struggling with thay luckily
limber lion
There's a weak aura set for the abilities so it's easier to track stuff
late tartan
It's just having to move while being fixated while needing to run away and do the shield
late tartan
One pull i even had that set happen then straight after the shield it happened again
limber lion
You can also let the shield explode
late tartan
Oh I tried kidney I thought it didn't work
late tartan
Yeah having to cloak first but can't do second
K I thought I used it and it didn't work once buy maybe I qm decieved
kindred rapids
Kidney definitely works but it only covers part of the enrage
Still have to evasion or kite out the rest
late tartan
Just let's me live either while damaging shield or doing dark wings
kindred rapids
The shield is mostly about having all bleeds up going into it.
late tartan
I've been able to damage the shield down but it's it's having to to that with 2 other mechanics
Or opting yo immune it then having to do it again 10 seconds late
kindred rapids
You should only lose a global or two blinding sigyrn, doesn't impact your shield damage much at all
late tartan
No it doesn't but the dark wings does
Entire fight goes well until whatever point i kept getting too then I'm having everything at once constantly
kindred rapids
Yeah for sure but as long as you have bleeds up it's still fine. You can refresh CT with fok while dodging or kiting as well
late tartan
Oh well I'll try again yomroow and try cheap shot more
Kydney
Kidney
Oh qll I've been doing is fan of knife spamming too then applying bleeds should I be using mutilate or just fan
gusty mirage
Oh qll I've been doing is fan of knife spamming too then applying bleeds should ...
fok on 4+ to build CP, fok on 3 to reapply poisons, mutilate to build CP on 3 or less
drifting cosmos
whats the key lvl like when you cant kill DOS last boss add with 1 person? i mean for 248-250ish ppl
late tartan
Thought it was 3 but ok ill mutilate then
oak sky
whats the key lvl like when you cant kill DOS last boss add with 1 person? i mea...
depends on class
drifting cosmos
share some examples?
oak sky
like frost mage usually has more trouble soloing quicker than us for example
i believe the totems depend on tyran as well? so that is also a factor
drifting cosmos
just did a 20 dos and i can feel the difficulty is there
yes i mean tyran weeks
fort is meh ofc
drifting cosmos
i think in the pt the arms didnt one shot, 20 dos
oak sky
but at that point if its a 2 phase anyway you want to cd boss
gusty mirage
flag + battle pot should be more than enough at a 20
oak sky
probably dont even need flag ngl
drifting cosmos
i didnt think id need both at the start
but then half way i was like fk there is so much hp then poped vend
oak sky
ive never had people want to 2 phase until like a 21
but i think a lot of classes can still solo quite a bit past there
we should be fine up to like
idk
23 or more
with vendetta and flag
oak sky
frost mage
maybe dh
idk all of them
just anybody that doesnt have a nice hard cd or generally has bad st
hunter maybe
something you can ask people or feel out if ur in a group
everyone should generally know how high they can solo because if you start barely being able to do it you probably cant go much higher
oak sky
yeah
you pretty much always want to vendetta boss if you 2 phase
because boss hp starts slowing you down and you can usually do the 2 man phase without vendetta
drifting cosmos
yea
kindred rapids
Just did a 21 and the healer + tank and frost mage couldn't do theirs
Thinking we should probably start planning on two phasing
wild rampart
can you feint the bombs on guardian?
rather does it reduce the damage of the bombs?
gusty mirage
!def
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wild rampart
oh thank you!
kindred rapids
What are the best sin dungeons? ToP I feel is a no brainer, did 9.6k on a 22 top this week which is a lot better than I'm able to do as sub.
I'm thinking spires or mists could be okay as well.
oak sky
top for sure yeah
sin is worse than sub probably every dungeon but its also pretty solid in SD imo
oak sky
yeah it is
i dont really think you would want to play sin over sub in any dungeon except maybe top
but you probably just play outlaw
but sin is fine in all the dungeons
gusty mirage
but you probably just play outlaw
oak sky
Does he want optimal or which dungeons sin is good in this is the question
oak sky
WANT OUTLAW
subtle tundra
but you probably just play outlaw
no fk you i did 12.7k overall in 27
oak sky
Pog
subtle tundra
almost 14k dps on kul
strange python
yeah - just missed a spires +21 cause the tank died with like 10% boss health left and a minute easy left.
feelssobad
oak sky
Did you guys do soggodon
thorny pond
soggodon?
winter stirrup
Hello, I want to try assassinate but I don't have any dagger. Have you recommendation for some to farm ?
winter stirrup
ok i thought we wanted crit
@balmy condor ty and thx for the wowhead guide it's realy helpful
balmy condor
Np
balmy condor
ok i thought we wanted crit
We do but getting ilvl is more important
balmy condor
People always overestimate Secondary stats
Sylv is okay
But you’ll want a 252 main hand over a heroic sylv
The heroic sylv in your offhand
drifting cosmos
we have so much crit this season in keys, i dont think we want crit anymore
winter stirrup
the passiv looks amazing
drifting cosmos
not really amazing for sins
winter stirrup
as outlaw i have 35% crit
drifting cosmos
plus that dagger is surprisingly hard to get
winter stirrup
btw what is our secondary main stat after crit ?
winter stirrup
ok nice i can keep my gears
echo geyser
plus that dagger is surprisingly hard to get
can confirm, it took me 47 runs start of season to get a base dagger from m+ 
latent gazelle
drifting cloud
oak sky
drifting cosmos
thorny pond
Soggodon deez nuts lol
last time I laughed that hard, I fell off my dinosaur
bleak sky
I'm thinking spires or mists could be okay as well.
spires is pretty good sin dungeon imho
you can keep up snd through angels flying, just takes saving a few cp
bleak sky
just keeping this here for future reference don't mind me
arctic hare
my will to do this key is dying, slowly
kind talon
Sooner you accept it, less it'll hurt
There are 12 classes
So if by some miracle all 2 rogue specs are nightfae then I have 11 fallbacks
bleak sky
All 2
kind talon
Yep
bleak sky
kind talon
Outlaw and Assa
bleak sky
I agree with you king decaf
drifting cloud
kind talon
bleak sky
But only 1 class has that massive vanish Garret Garret Garret utility
kind talon
Iron wire OP
bleak sky
And you wouldn't want to give that up, would you
kind talon
I dislike sepsis more than I dislike playing other classes
bleak sky
Just don't go ww/mage/chicken
slow marsh
so uhhh surv kinda fun ngl
kind talon
Fury warrior pretty fun Ngl
slow marsh
i'm sure
gusty mirage
Just don't go ww/mage/chicken
why would you tell him to not play mage
imagine hating someone enough to tell them to never play the only class that always has a top tier spec
bleak sky
imagine hating someone enough to tell them to never play the only class that alw...
Stop saying the truth, it hurts
kind talon
imagine hating someone enough to tell them to never play the only class that alw...
Oxi I’ll support your class choice no matter what
thorny pond
Oxi could play a level 50 holy priests and be better than 90% of this discord at dps
thorny pond
Tbf there are a lot of rogues with a posse of simps
Some rogues have more simps than Pokeman
spice spire
This mf has like ten people named after him
thorny pond
I’d roll.kyrian Druid for ya Oxi
I can’t do priest now. Ever since disc lost lights wrath I’ve been in the dark
kind talon
Tbf there are a lot of rogues with a posse of simps
The m+ sin rogue who shall not be named
Jpc
The other sin rogue who shall not be named
There’s actually a ton holy
thorny pond
I mean yea. Most top sin logs are simped out
It tends to happen to specs like ours where the return is quite bonkers
bleak sky
The other sin rogue who shall not be named
I simp for seli 100%
thorny pond
Oh irl simp is kinda cringe but you do you
kind talon
I mean yeah there’s a bunch of rogue players with simps
thorny pond
Never understood the twitch worship but I guess that’s better than reading the tabloids or the khardashian shiv
bleak sky
Just online casual simping yknow
Let the ranked simping to the real simps
Like we all simp oxi 
thorny pond
OT asf but after I read about that kid paying 20k to hangout with his favorite OF girl and they didn’t have sex… I started to understand twitch way more
Oxi is good to simp
He takes our energy
And puts out amazing things
thorny pond
Whatever makes people happy
kind talon
OT asf but after I read about that kid paying 20k to hangout with his favorite O...
Lmfaooooooo
Unreal
ebon notch
OT asf but after I read about that kid paying 20k to hangout with his favorite O...
If you're talking about the guy I'm thinking of, they defo banged but just lied about it
gusty mirage
And puts out amazing things
snow fern
silly question, any kind of drums works in mage tower or there is a specific ones that work there and others doesnt?
drifting cloud
theyre based on your char level, so if youre doing it on a lvl 50 alts you can have old xpac drums aswell
snow fern
thanks alot
drifting cloud
but its easy to notice if they dont work you see red text when you mouseover them
hushed yew
sounds quite common for me. Would appreciate having a 10k-run just once, tho^^
oak sky
nobody tell whispyr
charred wraith
Dumbo you sent to an open channel where he can see this
hushed yew
are trinket sims considered reliable? I recently found Grim Codex to rank unexpectedly well...
oak sky
depends on what you mean
if you simmed your own character and grim codex was better than other trinkets you have then it should be accurate
oak sky
if you were looking at a site or something its possible it may not be up to date or be off
yeah if its better in the sim it should also be better in game
hushed yew
nice, ty
hexed frost
sounds quite common for me. Would appreciate having a 10k-run just once, tho^^
The only 10K+ runs for me are in halls, dos and mists
thorny pond
You can really scumbag some DPS in a ton of dungeons now if your tank is a gamer
thorny pond
Yea. Some are still limited by how pulls are spread but if your tank and healer are in sync you can just rip some big dps in sub 20 keys without feeling bad
Finally did my boss breakdown last night for my rogue for the first 8 bosses. Sin rogue seems good again lol
Sub will have some super niche too in fights like Pantheon/Anduin
solid nymph
is it normal for the 3 bosses in the mage tower to continuously cast their abilities?
late tartan
rip got to 22% then died to a 22k shadowbolt
thorny pond
is it normal for the 3 bosses in the mage tower to continuously cast their abili...
At certain point they will
Save your blind and KS as needed for there
solid nymph
im struggling so hard lol
hallow sun
Out of curiosity, has nightfael assassin became better with the 9.1.5 legendary rework?
spice spire
Out of curiosity, has nightfael assassin became better with the 9.1.5 legendary ...
Yes, but it’s still not great. 9.2 is looking not horrible for night fae though
hallow sun
What's the change that's making them bette?
limber lion
Tier set
spice spire
The tier set
limber lion
spice spire
limber lion
viscid spear
spice spire
Venthyr is more than likely still the go-to. But night fae gets some value.
junior rampart
Hello, will there be chance to get 252 ilvl gear from legion dungeons in great vault if we have done the key?
spice spire
We’re expecting nerfs from the current 2p bonus, a lot of values are in the pins
spice spire
Hello, will there be chance to get 252 ilvl gear from legion dungeons in great v...
No
Max legion tw gear is 246, via upgrades
late tartan
Was q lot easier once i put on an armor kit for some reason
Felt like consumables scale weirdly on these challenges
limber lion
They definitely do
gusty mirage
@limber lion hi I’m new here can you help me out?
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> hi I’m new here can you help me out?
yes please refer to !guide for help or feel free to dm your favorite shadowblade for assistance
gusty mirage
yes please refer to !guide for help or feel free to dm your favorite shadowblade...
ok ty!
strange python
I think my best two are HOA and Sanguine - pretty easy to break 11k overall in them
HOA, if you're the venth i think like 25k on the boss probably helps
strange python
Every week
thorny pond
Disappointed should be your mindset going in. Can only go up
static pier
2/3 of my vault were downgrades reee
actually amazing considering i only have 3 things equipped that aren't upgrades from a lfr vault
gusty mirage
Disappointed should be your mindset going in. Can only go up
went in expecting no dagger, didn't get dagger, still disappointed
uneven hamlet
doble dagger gang
echo geyser
gz
static pier
huge
hoary fulcrum
!guides
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thorny pond
went in expecting no dagger, didn't get dagger, still disappointed
I prayed tho
viscid spear
Blood Elf
I miss being one.
arctic hare
heh, got another edge of night
uneven hamlet
maybe rngesus does not want me to fully ascend
someone once said, only when u trully forget it u shall get the daggers
arctic hare
246, but still another EoN
arctic hare
someone once said, only when u trully forget it u shall get the daggers
I state instead that once you truly do not care, then you will get them
Ofc, I can't not care about that ring from CoS
arctic hare
I've seen the glove drop SO many times
legs only twice, me getting it the second time
and the ring I have seen drop not at all, ever.
cobalt hemlock
are the gloves any good?
echo geyser
its just crit vers no?
arctic hare
Think having the Dom socket set bonus is much better for now
uneven hamlet
it was a joke guys
echo geyser
some ppl dont raid
arctic hare
Craaaaaazy lol
viscid schooner
heh, got another edge of night
Yeah got 2 now, the second one dropped last week!
viscid spear
sour wraith
Theo w/ crit tea or nadjia
gusty mirage
someone once said, only when u trully forget it u shall get the daggers
This time for sure 
clever kindle
<:peeposhrug:657382266921812009> some ppl dont raid
im the opposite I pretty much loathe doing m+ but can bash my face into a raid boss for 4 hours no problem
clever kindle
<@!165215952479322112> is niya simbait with burrs? <:monkahmm:585734084571955211...
And I'm pretty sure they made a change at some point that made burrs more consistent didn't they? Obviously mob does still have to walk over it but the actual range on where they proc from is huge
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> is niya simbait with burrs? <:monkahmm:585734084571955211...
They have their benefits, burrs is a static zone that does damage when an enemy is on top, whereas for Dreamweaver the haste-flowerbed forces you to stand still. If burrs sims higher, it's fine to just use that
It's a bit more rng but ye
bleak knoll
hmm, need to level NF? for just in case
viscid spear
I wonder if there's a good suit mog I can get so my character can also be Business Cat 
echo geyser
gusty mirage
I wonder if there's a good suit mog I can get so my character can also be Busine...
this is more for wow gen but: https://www.wowhead.com/outfit=186120/business-suit
static pier
finally got around to maxing my lego, poggies
still sub 210 ilvl tho lmao
hollow river
@balmy condor
spice spire
More often than you’d think
balmy condor
Most of them get caught by the filter
thorny pond
What did I miss
viscid spear
First time I've seen it.
Then again @balmy condor murked it super quick 
thorny pond
ah
viscid spear
soft shale
free nitro bois trying to spread the love
regal cape
I've gone for a week and more people than iceblades are talking about NF?
viscid spear
I've gone for a week and more people than iceblades are talking about NF?
"Talking about" and "joking about" something are two different things.
regal cape
:^)
viscid spear
Don't get me wrong, I was NF at the start of the expac but ever since I went Venthyr it's just been great.
quartz edge
Can someone look over my toon?
sand sigil
r we sending sharps and agis like the sub boys these days or still core + pf
slow marsh
yeah
sand sigil
i get pi and kyrian link tonight so i wanna send the meters
hollow river
r we sending sharps and agis like the sub boys these days or still core + pf
stones and agi ye
p sure outlaw is the only spec that hard uses oils n pf because they buff it iirc
slow marsh
it's fairly close as it is and outlaw gets extra stuff that procs them is all