#assassination

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timid cloud
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You get more consistent stacks with MFD & it's technically the better optimization.

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With Vigor you CAN get 28 stacks but you gotta get really lucky.

grand ridge
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yeah

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I can consistently get high 20s getting that extra global from doing shiv earlier which is what I liked

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I think I am going to mess with MFD because I'm sure it will be much more satisfying getting 30 stacks every time

viscid spear
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tank pulls the whole room after Beryllia and then runs into the gauntlet
monkaW

timid cloud
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JUST SIMPLY EVASION

grand ridge
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I just tried a few combos and can't beat my vigor/nadija sim

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might just be gear and itemization

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yeah the best I could do with mfd was a 100 dps loss even

ebon notch
grand ridge
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here is the best I can get

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I feel like my sim is pretty dang good for 239 ilvl

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but maybe it can be improved

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I'd love to break 10k

ebon notch
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go back and do a top gear sim

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and compare everything

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then post again

arctic hare
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Merry Christmas peeps

grand ridge
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thankfully I have a friend with premium

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running some stuff now

strange python
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@grand ridge What rank is your dom set at? My new feral is 239 and sims like exactly the same (9700) at rank 3 uh

grand ridge
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I am confused now

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I can't seem to get back to that 9986 sim from earlier and I'm trying to figure out what's different

strange python
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Look at the details and max/min maybe - maybe it's within that margin of calculation

grand ridge
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the margin is always like single digit I thought

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this is like a 60 dps difference

strange python
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1% of 9980 is like 99

grand ridge
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5 dps not%

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the margin is 5 dps

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so that will never be 60 dps

strange python
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What rank are your dom shards at?

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Maybe one was a 4 and one was a 5

grand ridge
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5

strange python
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So off the top of my head the only thing i see...is that on the 9986 one Sinful is on MH and Celestial is on OH

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on the 9921 one, it's reversed.

limber lion
thorny pond
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Rerunning it for you eric. It's the APL from 2 weeks ago in your old sim

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there have been updates to it since then it looks like

limber lion
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@grand ridge Your issue is that you used a r5 Dyz on your quick sim

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And r4 Dyz on your Top Gear

grand ridge
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ahh

limber lion
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That's the issue.

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Not nightlys, or anything else

grand ridge
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that makes me wonder what rank that gem actually is

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I logged in to /simc for that sim

thorny pond
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look in game lol

limber lion
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Probqably r5 and you just replaced gems on top gear

grand ridge
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I am

limber lion
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and you had the r4 chosen on accident for whatever reason

odd heath
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If u want to break 10k, u can force sim theotar with crit buff probably

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Since it's bis

grand ridge
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I think I put theo into that top gear sim I linked previously

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my dyz gem is rank 5

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my blood gem is also rank 5

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and had the same issue

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I am rerunning with them all at their proper levels

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thanks for the help

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who knows maybe that will put me over 10k

thorny pond
grand ridge
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😦

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I have not been doing many keys

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and my guild is pretty casual so we are very close to AOTC, but no heroic dagger either

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or at least a chance at it lol

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my offhand is a normal syl dagger

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main hand is a 239

strange python
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@grand ridge you should pug heroic sylv - and get a few rogue buddies to try to funnel it to ya

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I'd do it with you

grand ridge
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yeah I really should

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I even got aotc on my alt

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I dig the casual raiding but sometimes the lack of progression stinks

strange python
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Meh - you gotta have fun. I mean if my guild was progressing on h sylv, and having fun, so be it.

grand ridge
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I have like 9000 valor

strange python
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I think the worst thing about mythic is the accessibility - requiring exactly 20 people makes it tough (at least for most guilds that I see [around 8/10, 9/10'ish - still going for CE]) -- there's always a few people that "don't belong" etc.

grand ridge
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I need to time a few more 15s and replace my main hand at least with a 246/252

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yeah I've done mythic here and there

strange python
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Yeah until you have that 252 in the MH - i'd be doing 10 15's every week for 3 shots at it...for sure.

grand ridge
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I guess simc does not grab your gem levels

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and what I had selected was just stored in cookies

strange python
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It does when you paste it in (i believe, like 99.9% certain)

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But if you run top gear...

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there will be an extra line in there that you weren't expecting that uses rank5

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at least when i did it on my feral there was

thorny pond
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In your top gear eric you had manually selected a ton of random shards

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and other extra options you don't need

strange python
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When I run that top gear thing, i always start at "base" when trying to compare - and make sure the iterations say like none...or 15k i think for some stuff...then build up from there.

echo geyser
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Cloak shield external dead

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By dead i mean u

thorny pond
grand ridge
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good point

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I could also remove the haste gem

thorny pond
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Then you had these selected as well which overwrites it if you have the option enabled

unknown.png
grand ridge
thorny pond
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Haste and crit gems/chants I usually do but I live close to the edge

grand ridge
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I was mooching off my friend's premium

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so I had some room for dumb stuff lol

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TLDR

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my sim didnt change at all

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some day I will break 10k

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thanks for the help all

thorny pond
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If you didn't add/change gear than unfort prob not

grand ridge
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yeah I was wondering if theotar or MFD might change something

strange python
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Oddly enough, a new(er) user is probably better off being limited to those 300k iterations or whatever - because it kind of forces you to go back through stuff.

thorny pond
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there's 10k

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you won't run that build for anything but ST but there ya go

grand ridge
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whaat

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that came out of left field that ring doesnt have crit

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my other ring is heavy on the haste though

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so that makes sense

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I am not losing that much crit to begin with

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and its a 252

thorny pond
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haste has value for DS and it's just got more ilvls so more stats

grand ridge
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that makes sense

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thats great thanks

thorny pond
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secondaries are closer than you think

grand ridge
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its a christmas miracle

kindred rapids
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You can also try simming with crit tea

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To inflate your sim a bit

timid cloud
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Nadjia works well with lower crit profiles & lower gear.

thorny pond
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I doubt he'd do better

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Because of what Cy just said

timid cloud
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Theotar still requires a smidgen of gear to be relevant for us.

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Not so much relevant, but sim / perform better.

grand ridge
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ew that put my crit down to 38%

thorny pond
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Again, it's a ST spec you probably will never run

grand ridge
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oh wait its 42% nevermind. eye trinket just kicked in

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oh yea

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I pretty much never run bs/ds

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honestly I should just sim whats best for ep/vigor

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but that makes my pp feel big

timid cloud
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Don't forget to sell that wrist BOE

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It's worthless for us because Tarragrue drops better bracers.

grand ridge
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yeah...

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I've looted 3 or 4 of those bracers now

kindred rapids
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Finally got around to doing the mage tower last night, took me 40ish attempts.

grand ridge
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grats

kindred rapids
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Got Jarl down at like attempt 20 but somehow my blind on sigyrn didn't get off.

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One of the hardest things for me was just noticing when Jarl enraged, lol

grand ridge
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the hardest part is the last minute of the fight and often you dont get that far

kindred rapids
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Honestly didn't feel too hard, at the same time I'm glad it's not any harder haha

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The overlaps towards the end didn't really feel that difficult, I died way more at the point where you're dodging runes and Valkyries nonstop and I wouldn't notice when Jarl enraged

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Like 4 min in

grand ridge
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right at the point where jarl dies it gets easier

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but until then with all 3 abilities going off constantly, breaking the shield while jarl is enraging constantly

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that was it for me, getting past that

bleak sky
timid cloud
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I have. It’s kind of a fun one.

bleak sky
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Getting the minus damage aura guy in the gauntlet is a big no

viscid spear
thorny pond
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You gotta play by the tank’s rules sometimes or you’ll just get an ornery sausage who doesn’t chain pull and just focuses on survival

bleak sky
thorny pond
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I’ve been that tank

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I’ve been a fat ornery sausage

bleak sky
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I think everyone starts tanking like that

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And then something happens and you just start massive pulling

timid cloud
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What's wrong with sausages?

grand ridge
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id rather have a tank making ballsy pulls

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than one pulling 1 at a time every time

timid cloud
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Ain't nothing wrong with a sausage.

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Sometimes they just lack confidence.

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Simply BLAST the pack so the dude can pull the next one, what's so wrong with that?

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You saying you WANT a chain pulling tank with a Sin Rogue???

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Has me madder than a fuck.

bleak sky
timid cloud
thorny pond
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Chain pulls = bleed uptime

timid cloud
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YOU WANT FAST, I'LL SHOW YOU FAST

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I'll take my garrote damage & go elsewhere.

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It's no SS, but it's decent damage still.

bleak sky
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It doesn't matter

thorny pond
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If I know my tank is a gamer, I’d rather go in with bleeds up before and Ct fresh and go ham

bleak sky
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Better to already have bleeds rolling going into a pack

thorny pond
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Can vanish SS frequently enough

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Then iron wire also gets more utility if you know a dangerous pack is coming up. Vanish and garrote saves a lot of headaches

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And let’s other dps pump too

bleak sky
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Vanish garreting casters in SD ring kreygasm

thorny pond
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As opposed to going in with no bleeds

timid cloud
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I'mma hit the doubt button on this one.

thorny pond
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Yep. Sin has a lot of tools people don’t consider because it’s not gouge or dance CS spam

floral shoal
thorny pond
bleak sky
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Having the residual bleed from one pack going into the next one is really nice

thorny pond
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You’re getting mobs dotted sooner and able to funnel more actively sooner

sudden hound
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not to mention alacrity stacks stay max when you chain pull. ss garrotes are not as powerful as they used to be so getting restealths really isnt important for sin anymore

gusty mirage
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Fun fact : assassination loses less dps than outlaw does by not getting a restealth

thorny pond
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Thanks Mr Green

gusty mirage
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No problemo, I was summoned by someone hitting the filter

timid cloud
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I'mma hit that double doubt now.

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My 5 buff.

gusty mirage
slow marsh
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It's true

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Outlaw gets punished the hardest for no restealth and it's not even close

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On top of the fact that chain pull outlaw is omegalul still capped get fukd

viscid spear
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Outlaw can't FoK things up, they're lame-o

umbral rapids
viscid spear
vestal wren
slow marsh
umbral rapids
vestal wren
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it works out decently well for outlaw, the conduit that makes vanish worth it is strong

umbral rapids
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yeah it is

viscid spear
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tank has been sitting in LFG for a HoA+15 by himself for almost 5 minutes

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He seriously hasn't found anyone? My app went the entire duration and expired

golden basalt
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Might be afk

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Might be giga picky or like me when I form group looking for four premades 2ez

viscid spear
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Perhaps

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Found a PF+15, wish me luck prayge

golden basalt
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Gl may you get either scalpel or phial

spice spire
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Good luck ash Prayge

viscid spear
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Scalpel will help immensely because of this 226 OH

outer cairn
viscid spear
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck

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Was Outlaw-specced

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Got Poxstorm

golden basalt
timid cloud
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LOL

viscid spear
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Flowi it happens way too often

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I always do it on Painsmith and forget to turn it back

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I'ma just go jump out my window

kind talon
timid cloud
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Go play some out LUL now

crystal delta
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hey there, i took a small break ^^ is vent still fine and any changes regarding talents etc. ?

spice spire
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Venth is fine - mfd instead of vigor

misty holly
limber lion
oak sky
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Ambush value hack

balmy condor
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Outlaw doesn’t have anything besides cheap shot

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Cries in ambush

twilit lagoon
slow marsh
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Tfw outlaw hits ambush more than assassination

arctic hare
timid cloud
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You don’t use Ambush for CTO procs.

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Pain....

nova flax
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I dont run CTO. Too RNG OH_Giggle

gusty mirage
charred wraith
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yeah 99% is too rng, agreed

kind talon
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Can I get a fact check on this

golden basalt
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Is true

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Trust me bro

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If I remember correctly the calculations for this were made by our lovely guidewriters and the conclusion was that Count The odds outlaw conduit is a bigger potential dps increase than getting subterfuge garrets on each pack

vestal wren
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its with standard talents, but that should be fine for a rough estimate

balmy condor
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as if we haven't run this exact sim

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like 25 times

vestal wren
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peeposhrug its a simple change, so its fairly fast/simple to run

balmy condor
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I know

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I'm just surprised people still don't believe it

arctic walrus
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yeah but you ran with that ma

balmy condor
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case in point

vestal wren
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ye giveme a sec to change to ep/subtlet/ct and outlaw away from ghostly

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cto is just rly strong, but that was the case in beta already.

balmy condor
timid cloud
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Go ahead & run the numbers for us....

balmy condor
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u wot

arctic walrus
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whispyr did you seriously think otherwise

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huh

balmy condor
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yes

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because we did this exact thing

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legit 20 times

arctic walrus
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when

timid cloud
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So...

balmy condor
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the entire expansion

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9.0, 9.0.5, 9.1

timid cloud
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If my calculations are correct...

balmy condor
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seli asked about it

timid cloud
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Chain-pulling is simply not the move for Sin?

arctic walrus
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why would this be the case though

balmy condor
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random people have asked about it

arctic walrus
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as cto gains higher ilvl, it's somewhat less and less as big of a gain from stealth

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where as sin goes from nothing to a lot with subt

balmy condor
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are you making a scaling argument

timid cloud
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Cause garrote damage is otherwise worthless...unless you talent into Subter.

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So...

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I was right...

arctic walrus
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no i'm making as % goes up, effectiveness goes down

vestal wren
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we talked a lot about the value of vanish

arctic walrus
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anti scaling

balmy condor
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idk does cto really lose that much

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subt is fairly consistent

subtle tundra
oak sky
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Yes

subtle tundra
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bcs of big haste

oak sky
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Sounds correct

balmy condor
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varas I'll kill you

timid cloud
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So Varas.

oak sky
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Haste scaling

subtle tundra
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😐

timid cloud
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By that definition. MASTERY SCALING...

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Is also big play because MP/PB interaction.

oak sky
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Boomie strong all expansion

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Must be haste scaling

balmy condor
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cto shit I guess

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trash conduit

timid cloud
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Tell the guy who wrote the rogue guide he’s a big dum dum for missing this.

balmy condor
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how the fuck does outlaw work

charred wraith
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gun

golden basalt
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Nobody knows

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Maybe we should ask that guy

timid cloud
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Bet the rogue guide writer guy feels like a big dingus now.

loud light
oak sky
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Lol what

balmy condor
arctic walrus
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siren this is final warming, do not let fuu have access to sin apl siren

oak sky
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And outlaw does go ghostly i think

balmy condor
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ep deeper is based

vestal wren
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but

timid cloud
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I think BS/Vigor is based.

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I’ve seen it too many times for my liking...

loud light
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just imagining it would be a bigger drop not having the extra garrotes from stealth if you're energy starved on pull running DS

balmy condor
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I'm rerunning it atm

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but 1% from outlaw no restealths

vestal wren
balmy condor
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is much lower

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well that's a bad first sign

timid cloud
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Please eliminate MP/ BS from the sims because EP is just better...

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Uh-oh

vestal wren
golden basalt
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I love how this never fails to escalate

oak sky
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Lol @balmy condor wasnt this vanish thing an issue on the ptr profiles

balmy condor
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yeh

oak sky
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Remember when i asked about shadowdust?

vestal wren
balmy condor
oak sky
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Sin dungeon slice rework part 2 kekw

balmy condor
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I hate it

timid cloud
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Don’t ever...

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Mention that again please.

vestal wren
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i just commented out all vanish lines

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so likely something i forgot about

balmy condor
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yeah but the line that calls the vanish list is still in, which is probably where the reset comes from

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cause it can't find the list

arctic walrus
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I think all this discussion could be avoided

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if you people would just stop playing this spec in dungeons

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solves all your issues

vestal wren
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haha

oak sky
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Its our turn next patch

timid cloud
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Yeah, there’s no way that set makes it live.

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Real feelsbadman moment.

vestal wren
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result with mfd is similar tho

balmy condor
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time to go down the vanish rabbit hole

arctic walrus
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??

balmy condor
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??

viscid spear
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What's CTO? ApuStruggling

balmy condor
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outlaw conduit

dawn ivy
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merry fuckin christmas

unknown.png
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countermeasure on christmas eve, signet on christmas

viscid spear
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Ban him peophammer

arctic walrus
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and nobody asking at 5:25 pm

dawn ivy
balmy condor
arctic walrus
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no more room

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i'm afraid i must decline

balmy condor
oak sky
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Its 2:30 dont mislead him

balmy condor
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my time zone isn't real

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I'm a slave to est

arctic walrus
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west coast time literally doesn't exist

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social construct

oak sky
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Are we like bri ish "people"

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Is that all we are to you east coasters

echo geyser
oak sky
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🐏

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Hope your holidays were good ramfam

balmy condor
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yo why is it that not using vanish is 0 dps loss

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but when I try to make it use vanish, it's also a loss

arctic walrus
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as who

balmy condor
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as sin

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just use vanish as your restealth I guess

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outlaw worse at chain pull L nerds

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get bent

arctic walrus
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ayo wicked

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old outlaw benefits

oak sky
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Alacrity chainpulls

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Actually wicked

umbral rapids
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sick banner profile Vel

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completely off topic

balmy condor
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no but like actually wtf is happening here

arctic walrus
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thank you finally someone who recognizes class/elegance

oak sky
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Kali go brrrrr

balmy condor
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kali go to work

oak sky
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Kali got a job

umbral rapids
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kali peepoWew

viscid spear
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job

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wazzat

marble hemlock
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i basically only ever vanish for iron wire silence/mitigation

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ETA? :x

timid cloud
kind talon
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Where’s your second dagger

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Nice flex bro FeelsWeird

timid cloud
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Gave it to the homie.

kind talon
timid cloud
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🧢

kind talon
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Having friends when you could be rank 1 parser?

timid cloud
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I did tell my guildmate one week, if it drops, I'd give it to him.

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Didn't drop, so the bet was off.

kind talon
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Gg

ripe saddle
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help bros!

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i JUST FINSIHED sin mage tower

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but like what do i do now? lol

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sigyrn jsut chilling

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will it count towards tour of towers? i already did sub one before

balmy condor
ripe saddle
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Nooo LOL pls dont say that 😦

balmy condor
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fight ends at 20%

ripe saddle
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i just fnisherd reading wowhead guide and clip by u

balmy condor
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she doesnt ever go to 0

ripe saddle
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do u get teled out or

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u have to leave manually

balmy condor
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you have to leave manually

obtuse robin
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yo wtf am ireading

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what is all this vanish stuff

ripe saddle
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how do you track tour of towers

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OK BOYS WE DONE XD

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now outlaw + my hunter bm/mm then holy pala

obtuse robin
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BIG

ripe saddle
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what do u guys know of pain

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True pain

ember mural
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next time for sure prayge

civic yoke
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Just finished assassin challenge like 15 minutes ago and holy crap, so far it's been the most frustrating one for me (Done all 3 warrrior and guardian before this one) 😶

viscid spear
viscid spear
# ripe saddle True pain

I just did a PF+15 today and forgot my loot spec was set to Outlaw. Got the sword and I just know it would've been the scalpel. pepew

spice spire
pallid bough
# ripe saddle

Would highly recommend KJ trinket from ToS, any difficulty, for hpal challenge

strange python
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unbiased opinions, for 9.2 what is going to be the best rogue spec for the M+ scene?

pallid bough
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Sub still tbh

ripe saddle
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@pallid boughwhich one?

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outlaw finished now holy pala and hunter time

strange python
pallid bough
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Rogue is brought in for priority damage, not AoE, sub still has stronger priority damage than other 2

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No way they beat monk or mage in aoe

pallid bough
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It has 2 charges, places a HoT buff on target for 2 mins, anytime they fall below certain hp, they gain a shield worth 1/2 their hp

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It’s really REALLY strong

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It’s not absolutely required because hpal is super super strong for their challenge but that trinket can carry you mega hard

ripe saddle
spice spire
ripe saddle
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oh that one

pallid bough
ripe saddle
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i think i had it on my other paladin

pallid bough
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Ya it is very strong

ripe saddle
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i hear p1/2 kind of a joke

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its only last phase

pallid bough
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For hpal? All of it is tbh

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Nah last phase is the easiest

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It’s just annoying because you need practice for it and it’s just like Sylv, takes 10 mins to get there

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Longer if you are using lust

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P1 is knowing when to use CCs properly, P2 is “lol I killed 4 eyes with bubble, oh I still had 2 mins left to clear?” And P3-P4 is “Beacon kek”

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Also Turn Evil is your best friend

ripe saddle
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i havent played my paladin since january

pallid bough
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I used it especially for when the knife dance was coming

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Wait until they begin to start their to finish your turn evil cast

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You don’t wanna cc them before they start their cast

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Turn Evil hard carried me in Tank and Healer challenge since it works on Demons and Undead

slim jay
arctic hare
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grats

tame rose
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is whetstone good for sin?

glass tulip
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its fun to use, I havent played with it since they capped and split the damage on it though

balmy condor
glass tulip
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Only good when uncapped, unforch

balmy condor
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split damage bad

arctic walrus
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split these cheeks homeboy

arctic hare
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Welp

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Got the faulty countermeasure

crude wigeon
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
vestal wren
arctic hare
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uhmmmm

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Like a max of 10? i don't really remember

vestal wren
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thats very lucky, nice

arctic hare
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All I had to do was really really hope for a neck

thorny pond
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any alliance guys want to try a vault 10? I am going for it too but the more the merrier

viscid spear
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Working

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Or else I would

arctic hare
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MMMMMM, I've got 46% crit

thorny pond
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Nice frost

frosty bridge
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49% notea gang 😎

covert frost
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In m+ when running zold should I be holding flage for vendetta or use it on cd and desync them?

limber lion
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You want full value of both, so don't use them if you don't get full value

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Also if there's a big prio mob or boss coming up, probably better to hold for a bit

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But it's easier and better to just send everything on cd as much as you can

covert frost
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Okay sounds good. Thank you

worthy heart
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I'm missing something for sure: why do 2x sylvanas daggers deal so little dmg as assa?

limber lion
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Sub has Deeper Daggers which buffs the damage a fair bit

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We don't have anything like that.

echo geyser
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also CP generation right, esp in aoe at least

limber lion
#

Mythic Sylv daggers are still best in slot for both hands, but a heroic dagger will lose to a 252 one, especially in MH

limber lion
worthy heart
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Ok

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Ty bois

limber lion
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:)

viscid schooner
timid cloud
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Lul 9% trinket damage.

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ecks dee

worn socket
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New to rogue….should I craft doomblade or obedience as my first Lego?

arctic walrus
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What content do u do

slow marsh
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out of the two obed

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but yeah ^^

worn socket
#

Well I’m still working on my itemlvl and did some mythic+ for the first time the other day. My current item lvl is 192. Renown 65. One chapter left of venthyr and on chapter 3 of CoD

balmy condor
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yeh just craft obed as an all around

worn socket
#

Ok cool. Thanks. Like I said before I’m new to rogue and really like the play style

thorny pond
#

Obed let’s you flex into sub as well if you go that way

slow marsh
#

ye it's the most gold efficient if you care about that stuff

balmy condor
#

gonna have to recraft stuff next patch anyway

thorny pond
#

Hey man

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Don’t be like that

slow marsh
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well yeah

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but still better than crafting two leggos

balmy condor
#

craft ALL THE LEGOS

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ALL THE TIME

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EVERY PATCH

worn socket
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Do I not bother crafting them?

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Then

balmy condor
#

depends how much you care about your gold and the next 3 months of gaming

worn socket
#

Let me start over….not only am I new go rogue I’m basically new to WoW end game. I would only rush to lvl cap and then stop until the next expansion. I started played for WoD. I just recently started playing again with rolling this rogue from 0 to where I’m at now 3 weeks later. I want to push this rogue to its best potential. It is now my new main because I like the game play. Any suggestions on what to do would be greatly appreciated

balmy condor
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well the suggestion is still the same

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you either craft now, and then craft next patch, or you don't craft now, and craft next patch

worn socket
#

So if I craft now it will go away next patch?

balmy condor
#

in one situation, you craft earlier, and therefore probably get gear easier now, and in the other, you basically ignore this patch, and then go hard next patch

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if you craft now, you have to craft a new version of it

slow marsh
#

if you're gonna craft now and just ignore current patch to prep for next then i'd just wait

ionic kiln
balmy condor
#

I mean it's an entirely new power as well

slow marsh
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or be risky and craft on helm

balmy condor
#

you can't even upgrade obedience

worn socket
#

Ahhhh ok

balmy condor
#

but regardless of how you do it, you need new base items, which is more gold

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so if you have a ton of gold

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then you're chilling

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craft as much as you want

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if you don't have a ton of gold, then idk, pain

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because the base items are crazy

worn socket
#

I think it’s making sense now

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Appreciate the info and sorry for my ignorance. I’m trying my best to get it

slow marsh
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no you're fine, that's what the channel is for

arctic walrus
#

@balmy condor are tier sets still the generic 5 slots again? nothing to accommodate legendaries so recrafting?

balmy condor
#

yuh

arctic walrus
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jdamn

balmy condor
#

but new cov legendary thing is apparently belt craft

slow marsh
#

so probs obed helm and dusk ring right

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unless you're poor then obed belt

balmy condor
#

helm is a tier slot

slow marsh
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but we only need 4

arctic walrus
#

new cov legendary?

slow marsh
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out of 5

balmy condor
#

boots aren't tier atm

balmy condor
#

that swaps when you swap cov

arctic walrus
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oh so it's just gonna be like "COvenant legendary" not individual pieces

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you had me thinking there was something new

balmy condor
#

yeh

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it's a 4 in 1

echo geyser
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isnt it belt slot for cov lego

balmy condor
#

yeah that's what I said

pastel shale
echo geyser
#

are legion tw going away same time as mage tower

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still no countermeasure

balmy condor
#

yuh

oak sky
#

I know cev was saying based on the wording you might be able to craft the new memory on other slots

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Not sure if hes right or not

echo geyser
#

remove all belt drops from raid and m+ happy_holiday_pepe

worn socket
#

@balmy condor I found the shadowlands thread you made from July. Would obedience be best rather than dashing for me since I’m low item lvl? I have the gold to craft now so I might as well try it out. I can’t get the hang of AoE yet so I’m single target currently

balmy condor
#

dashing and obedience are very similar in output for single target

worn socket
#

Alright

twilit lagoon
#

So I'm kinda tempted to try MFD after reading about it here... Does it work pretty well in M+? That tends to be the content I get to do.

balmy condor
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its okay

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it's more of a raid thing though

versed mica
#

I thought MFD was the go to for M+?

balmy condor
#

I don't know any sin rogues that run mfd consistently

slow marsh
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you can't get 3x garrotes off of vanish with mfd so it's not worth

balmy condor
#

I mean you can

slow marsh
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you can with chain pull yeah

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i was just ognna say

latent gazelle
#

g,g, belf racial, g

twilit lagoon
#

That's very situational though

balmy condor
latent gazelle
#

lol

slow marsh
#

yeah that's cursed for sure lol

twilit lagoon
#

Also, I'm a vulpera

balmy condor
#

hitting belf racial for energy in m+, and sacrificing a subterfuge garrote in the process for it

latent gazelle
#

belf racial counts as a spell for subter?

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never actually done it

balmy condor
#

subterfuge is 3 seconds

echo geyser
balmy condor
#

belf is on the gcd

latent gazelle
#

ah

balmy condor
latent gazelle
#

ah

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i see where i went wrong

twilit lagoon
echo geyser
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do u even double garrote one target if its only 2 targets

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?

balmy condor
#

no

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double garrote was shrouded

echo geyser
#

shrouded suffocation feelscryman

latent gazelle
#

^^ good times

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i mean. i would take that as the sin 2piece bonus..

slow marsh
#

our new 2p is really good

latent gazelle
#

i havent been keeping track of the changes

twilit lagoon
#

I like the bursty AE with 2p while 4p staying single target (IIRC)

balmy condor
#

our 4 set is a combined 30% atm

twilit lagoon
#

Is the 2p bonus dynamic?

balmy condor
#

yes

twilit lagoon
#

fantastic

balmy condor
#

it's a debuff just like shiv is normally

twilit lagoon
balmy condor
#

hm?

twilit lagoon
#

I think I misunderstood.

versed mica
#

MFD easy, just use it on the lowest health target, get resets to pump more envenoms in between spreading bleeds

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It also helps if you running obedience

slow marsh
#

I mean I think that mfd in m+ is technically better but nobody plays it

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I just dont think it makes that much of a difference in m+ for sin\

arctic walrus
#

dslice tiny tb u test it yet

balmy condor
#

mfd is probably more overall

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but there's always the "damage profile" argument

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which we can go in circles on for years

bleak sky
#

Give it a go, you might enjoy it

snow fern
#

question pls, is Dancing steel enchant good for the mage tower challenge or should i stick to the guide in wowhead?

balmy condor
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dancing steel doesn't really do much

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celest and sinful are more than okay

snow fern
#

thanks alot @balmy condor

balmy condor
#

np

arctic walrus
#

yw

arctic hare
#

So the set bonus results in a 30% increase to damage?

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Its what I read anyways

balmy condor
#

yes

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32% on necro/fae and 28% on venth/kyrian

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but it's gonna get nerfed

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so

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who knows

arctic walrus
#

just a reminder you're losing whatever % dom sets are

balmy condor
#

that's factored in

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all the sims have dom gems disabled

limber lion
#

I think what Vel meant was that we will not see a 30% damage increase because we'll lose the ~25% from Dom Sets, even though the sets themselves are 30%. Won't be going from 12k sims to 15k with just the tier set.

balmy condor
#

oh

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well yeh

limber lion
#

But still, 30% is an absurd number

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:p

thorny pond
#

yea let's keep it that way

limber lion
#

Nty

thorny pond
#

you right. buff it more

limber lion
#

I'd rather have a decently balanced set before launch instead of getting it nerfed a week or two in

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Not that it matters when there's only one choice, compared to 3 with Shards tbh

balmy condor
#

but imagine the week 1 mad scramble if it would make it to live

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this channel would have more shit than the new york sewer

limber lion
oak sky
#

Normal pug o'clock prayge

limber lion
#

So many sin fotms

thorny pond
#

yea except they all suck

sour wraith
#

and then the fourth piece ends up having the drop rate of sylv daggers

thorny pond
#

only the OTP OGs are good

oak sky
#

I can feel my parse% increasing

thorny pond
#

more fluffers pushing me up.. fine by me

balmy condor
#

the only thing fine by me is ceveriontwo after ceverion goes fae

thorny pond
#

Oxi is Cev2

balmy condor
#

he'd have to parse higher than 75 for that

thorny pond
#

He is learning and getting better

limber lion
thorny pond
#

I give my boi props

balmy condor
#

oh

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I don't like ceveriontwo either then

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unlucky

thorny pond
#

He's doing good in the new guild without any simps

limber lion
thorny pond
#

necro NF

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jeez

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I wish I had balls the size of yours

static pier
#

hrm, torghast rotation is completely random right? Trying to decide if I should make Obedience or wait for the wings that let me get Doom Blade to come around
(fresh rogue, otherwise i'd have it already obv)

balmy condor
#

just go in and out of twisting until it gives you the wing

static pier
#

oh you can use twisting corridors to farm the legos?? that's dope

balmy condor
#

yeah you just keep resetting until it gives you the right one

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then you do the 5 floors or whatever

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and then you can leave

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alternatively if you're swimming in korthia research, just unlock it from that

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can you even send research

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maybe you can't

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I don't play alts as you can see

static pier
#

i don't have much research on my DH anyway, since i'm a classic andy

balmy condor
#

aha

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why even doomblade

static pier
#

your wowhead guide gave me the strong impression that it was about equivalent to obedience, and I like it more as an effect

limber lion
#

I think you're the second person I've seen talk about choosing between Obedience and Doomblade today

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Haven't heard talk about Doomblade in a long while

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Doomblade is pretty much deadweight

balmy condor
limber lion
#

Would not recommend it

balmy condor
#

what page does it say that on

limber lion
#

There's better options out there

balmy condor
#

I must've missed it

static pier
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it's the first listed under the heading Best Assassination Rogue Legendaries, as well as the only one mentioned here for 9.1 legendaries

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oak sky
static pier
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and i quote: This is numerically the strongest single target damage legendary

oak sky
#

It was back in 9.0.5

balmy condor
#

fucking hell

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it's such a pain having the same info in like 6 places

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you always forget one when you're updating things

static pier
#

it really do be like that

oak sky
#

You need a proofreader lmao

balmy condor
#

I have my friend proofread for slave labor

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but it's still hard to know where things are when and stuff

static pier
#

legos are guarenteed drops from raid right?

#

Memories, rather

balmy condor
#

I believe so

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there's a whole leveling guide for rogues that had fae soulbinds from 9.0 on there

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was pain

static pier
#

lmao oof

balmy condor
#

yeah I've spent basically all patch just hunting down loose ends

#

it's annoying

static pier
#

alright, time to pump out some heroics so i can get the min ilvl to do CN lfr to unlock dashing i guess

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inb4 doesn't drop in lfr

balmy condor
#

I personally would just suggest crafting the venth lego for now

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it's a better all-around and you're gonna have to craft new stuff next patch anyway

#

don't have to sit around in a 3 hour lfr queue either

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so that's cool

static pier
#

3 hour!?

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oh i guess because it's prev raid tier

balmy condor
#

yeah I've seen screenshots of people sitting in the lfr queue for denathrius for 6-7 hours

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but those are like giga extreme

static pier
#

christ

balmy condor
#

most people just unlock stuff through korthia memories anyway if they're missing some tbh

#

with the increase to research gains they did it's just ludicrous

static pier
#

yeah unfortunately all i have rn is obedience, duskwalker and MA so it'd be a lot of korthia memory rolls

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iirc it unlocks a random one?

balmy condor
#

obedience and duskwalkers are the two strongest legendaries next patch

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poggers

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just craft an obedience and call it a day I guess

static pier
#

oh i didnt actually read duskwalker, that's pretty pog

balmy condor
#

yeah the guide is just 9.1.5 stuff

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9.2 tier set sends duskwalkers to the moon

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there's a pin with a spreadsheet in here

static pier
#

i honestly know nothing about 9.2, I barely know what 9.1.5 did other than torghast/wquest leveling

balmy condor
#

yeh if you're just jumping in now it can be a lot

static pier
#

yeah, i only played super casually between 9.0 and naxx opening in classic, and did exactly 1 CN N on my DH

#

but I might have to retire my rogue on tbcc soon because tbc rogue lole, so here i am

balmy condor
#

there's no ember catchup anyway so you're kind of dead weight in raids for the rest of this patch

#

so feel free to take your time

static pier
#

oh, i'll just be completely unable to catch up on my lego properly?

balmy condor
#

no no, the lego is fine

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there's no catchup on domination sockets

static pier
#

oh that's cinders

#

there are too many systems, please eliminate three

#

P.S. I am not a crackpot

balmy condor
#

and the frost set + adjacent gems are about 20% of our damage atm

#

so even if you had like 250 ilvl and your lego and whatever

#

you'd still be timegated

static pier
#

love to see it

balmy condor
#

and by the time you catch up it's gonna be 9.2 and the sets aren't gonna work anyways so lmao

static pier
#

it also takes like 3 weeks of soul cinders to get a r5 lego anyway right

balmy condor
#

nah

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torghast is infinitely farmable

static pier
#

or did 9.1.5 add a catchup on that

#

right, that would explain how i could farm 5k soul ash in like, a week

ember mural
#

still not having an ember catchup mechanic is dogshit

balmy condor
#

you can get a max rank legendary in maybe 15-20 minutes of torg

#

think it's 3-4 runs of layer 9

static pier
#

wtb layer 9 carries

#

and by wtb i mean
🥺
👉 👈

balmy condor
#

plenty of boosting communities would be happy to sell you that :P

static pier
#

unfortunately i don't have a million gold or whatever lmao

balmy condor
#

unluck

static pier
#

yeppers

#

that's what i get for playing tbc instead of shadowlands i guess

balmy condor
#

aside from the domination gems though catchup honestly isn't that bad

static pier
#

yeah, knowing that cinders are farmable definitely helps a lot

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because then it's just getting a couple of lockouts in at a reasonable difficulty

oak sky
#

Next patch catchup should be nicer with dom gems gone and our leggo resource coming from everywhere

#

Should be even nicer

static pier
#

do we have an approximate date on that?

oak sky
#

Next patch?

#

Well mythic raid testing hasnt happened yet

#

So

#

Maybe a few weeks after thats over

static pier
#

sick, sounds like enough time to get settled into black temple

oak sky
#

Yeah its probably like 2 months out but I guess it could be a little sooner depending on how the weeks after new years go

static pier
#

this is probably getting a little further away from assa chat but what's the EV on a heroic sylvanas kill? like, how likely am i to spike a dagger

sour wraith
#

theoretically it's a 1/4 chance, assuming you get loot - the loot part is another roll based on the number of people in the group (# of loot drops), if you've looted recently, and who else has looted recently

balmy condor
#

personal loot 20% chance to drop

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then 25% for a dagger

#

so about 1/20

static pier
#

that's a pretty hefty gamble for what kind of percentage of my gold a 70k AOTC is, rip

nocturne geode
#

25% chance for a dagger and i killed slyv on heroic since week one still no heroic dagger didnt get my first mythic dagger till m sylv vault

#

and its the only one ive seen all patch

#

so good luck on that

slow marsh
#

dang 70k that's it?

#

no wonder these cuts have been ass lately

static pier
#

is 70k low?? i obviously have no clue what the going rates are

#

barthilas-h if that helps

nocturne geode
#

yea sylv aotc is about 70k now to buy

drifting cosmos
#

i think no token is really bad atm

#

have seen rogues hunting daggers for weeks and weeks

static pier
#

sounds like i need to find a guild that wants to take a risk on a fresh rogue lmaooo

drifting cosmos
#

the guys didnt even come to mythic just to improve the chance in vault

placid kraken
#

Looking at the prelim numbers what does the 100%, 60%, 50%, and 40% mean ?

sour wraith
#

probably the % damage increase given by the 2pc

placid kraken
#

Okay, I thought that too since he is expecting a nerf

sour wraith
#

correct

spice spire
#

Dark is correct

spark scaffold
#

Even cheaper on eu

thorny pond
spice spire
#

Father in law got sick so had to abort half of the plan. Was chill though, hope you had a glorious holiday weekend mr. beach Prayge

thorny pond
#

I hope he recovers quickly and I hope you get #blessed with a nice vault to finish 2021

static pier
#

can someone explain this?? i just passed the ilvl requirement AND did a LFR denathrius, what more do i need to do

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rocky escarp
#

Log out and back in. Worked for me back in the day

static pier
#

oh, is it possible that it's because i still had other "wings" of CN LFR queued

#

closed game, logged into another character, now it's working

#

also these catchup mechanics are sick, my rogue has been level 60 for 6 hours and is 2 renown ahead of my DH, and almost at the same ilvl lmao

burnt latch
#

Has anyone here tried playing sin on 25 or higher mists tyran keys?

#

I was thinking if it could possibly be worth it to play sin for the first boss of mists for better 2t cleave and then tp out, swap to sub and get ported to acorn

oak sky
#

@subtle tundra is probably your guy for high sin keys

balmy condor
#

That’s such a waste of time

burnt latch
#

Not running out, using the tp. We are kinda struggling on 26 and 27 mists for damage on the first boss

#

So going out u could play countermeasure and sin -> tp out and swap to sub + shadowgrasp

#

And if u press the seed u get ported back in next to the seed

spark scaffold
#

Countermeasure doesn't actually sound better than amp for that fight specificly though

#

30 sec duration

burnt latch
#

Well yeah whichever trinket you wish to play there, just something better than shadowgrasp

spark scaffold
#

Fusion amp 20 seconds seems perfect

#

I'd personally do this with IQD

#

on sub

#

And swap to totem after

burnt latch
#

But only thing im wondering is how much if at all better will sin be

spark scaffold
#

Not that much if you're hitting the dmg reduction on boss

#

All you gain is the energy from bleeds

burnt latch
#

Yeah true but still in my head sin feels better for that boss but kinda dont wanna try it incase it sucks and i rip the key cuz of it lol

spark scaffold
#

I mean you'll have to try with your group specificly though

#

Wont be the same if you join a random 23 and do it

burnt latch
#

Yeah thats why i was asking if anyones tried it on a higher key yet, most groups run ww/mage anyways so dmg is gonna be fairly similar

deft vault
#

Are those sims in the pins accounting for double legos?

spark scaffold
#

Not sure if it helps but what worked for my group (only 26 though, not higher) is 1 mins on pull, 2 mins on boss burn then everyone uses CDs to phase boss and i keep flag for boss burn again

#

And if we are phasing faster than 1 min we wait a bit

#

To have them back

#

Usually works 2 phase like this

#

Aiming for around 40% after first boss burn, can also hit ingra a bit after boss burn to get some more dmg

#

I'd imagine if you were playing sin in this you'd play obedience and do something similar with vendetta

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Ww / frost mage / sub comp that is

#

And venthyr pally, that helps a lot in boss burn aswell

burnt latch
#

Fair, we are usually struggling after the first burn to phase boss before shit gets too spicy if I dont commit my flag to phasing boss

#

Thats why i was asking about sin, just to help a bit with more consistent dam without having to commit flag

#

But mby its just a git good moment for our team, its def doable

spark scaffold
#

is your monk pressing 1 mins

burnt latch
#

Yeah bdb on pull, xuen bdb on burn and bdb on tree as soon as its up

spark scaffold
#

Maybe holding ashen for 20 seconds before second burn might help you survive

burnt latch
#

yeah fair, but then u also lose a lot of damage cuz u cant line it up with hero

#

such a tough boss i feel like

#

dont really have this many issues on any other boss

spark scaffold
#

It is

balmy condor
deft vault
#

NF dream for 9.2 poggers

vestal wren
#

NF looks potent for assassination.
I think its nice to see some change in options

strange python
#

damn whatt nightfae

#

where did that come from lool

balmy condor
#

The 2 set directly buffs sepsis

#

Which makes the bonus easily a couple % stronger compared to venthyr

strange python
#

what would the stealth ability that you use be?

#

O.o im seeing this for the first time so im just curious how it works

sonic schooner
#

Time to go back to my first shadowland covenant, 9.0 NF prayge

daring beacon
#

Hey guys, got a question. I quit after killing Sire and recently came back. Are the domination sockets + sylvanas daggers really such a big power spike as it looks?

bleak sky
#

Yes.

random hornet
#

@daring beacon Mythic Daggers should be better than the HC - Raid Daggers of the next tier i guess. Domination sockets are just a thing of this patch/tier. But yeah, in raid they are easily 1-1.5k dps increase. For m+ they are good aswell, but the setbonusses are not working. (Shoothing this wtihout ammunition 😄 )

daring beacon
#

Yeah makes sense, as there is no real catch up system for the sockets I guess I might have rank 5 on all of them a week before 9.2 or some shit haha

magic summit
#

Hey when you play NF DO you run there lego as well

pseudo hamlet
daring beacon
#

Thanks for the answers guys, just a bit frustrating being behind on dmg because of a system that there is no way to catch up quickly on when u join the party late

drifting cloud
#

you get 80% of the power in like 3 weeks

#

so atleast theres that

jade minnow
#

so since its between NF and venthyr, should i craft obedience or dusk (dusk being good for both covs)?

oak sky
#

wouldnt craft yet since we arent positive which slots

spice spire
#

Also tuning is possible. Crafting now could end up being a complete waste of time

jade minnow
#

d u think soul ash and cinders don't reset with new patch?

drifting cloud
#

ofc not

scenic kelp
#

some infos which covenant will be the best in 9.2? 😄

drifting cloud
#

🔮

spice spire
#

Yeah, it’s in the pins. In current state, night fae is ahead; however, the 2p has an expected nerf to numbers - and venthyr looks safe. That being said, ryler is also right. Crystal ball is just as useful as speculation at this time 😛

fallen arch
#

We might go NF in 9.2?

#

Awesome

thorny pond
#

We might. So many things left to tune and test

#

But also remember you can scrap your Lego for the raw ash/cinders back. Gold sink is the only real cost

golden basalt
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if only they actually made the (out of)stealth cast component to sepsis actually change something in terms of ability usage SucksMan

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its a very bland ability imo

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at least come 9.2 the TO will technically be baked into it making it do something at least

scenic kelp
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and what do you guys think will be the best spec? or are the specs on same level ?

golden basalt
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Windwalker

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We’ll have to wait for tuning to answer that tho

thorny pond
bleak sky
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next meta comp is 3 fury warriors + bdk + mistweaver

thorny pond
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I mean, I’m not opposed

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I hate healing BDKs and think kyrian bear will be it myself but I see what you’re saying

bleak sky
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I was just saying words

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but I do think bdk seems strong no meme

thorny pond
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If they did more damage

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100% immo aura, KA Druid, whatever garbage this warrior shield slam shit is

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I guess permanent DRW is cool

bleak sky
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it do be cool

thorny pond
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I love just hitting SCK in keys and doing more than BDKs right now though

bleak sky
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they need some love, yeah

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but they can't be unkillable and do decent damage

thorny pond
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If they’re good. Bad BDKs are basically a player controlled quest mob

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A bad bear is still good at not dying

bleak sky
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that's true, that's true

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it's always monkaSTEER playing bdk

thorny pond
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If I’m on my rogue i tricks on CD… not BDKs, I need to Evasion tank for them a bit and they can grip mobs when they’re ready

bleak sky
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that random melee proccing cheat death YEP

thorny pond
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They say rogues don’t have utility lmao

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Just vanish after CD procs lol

spice spire
viscid spear
spice spire
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No more business cat sus

soft shale
scenic kelp
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am i right that the legendary in 9.1 will be on waist and when i swap covenant the legendary automatical swaps with covenant switch?

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9.2 sorry

thorny pond
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That appears so

limber lion
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We don't know yet which slot you want the legendary on

thorny pond
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I think he was asking about the auto swapping cov lego Cev

limber lion
thorny pond
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I misread my b

limber lion
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It's a runecarving power, just like any other legendary

ornate jetty
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!guides

prisma monolithBOT
bleak knoll
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@limber lion How you doin

limber lion
fast nacelle
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does anyone have a quick script for changing nameplate color after applying bonespike

arctic hare
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Cev's does it on plater

fast nacelle
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how do i find the profile?

arctic hare
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Uhhh

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!plater

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no, hmm

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@limber lion Cev, how do we find your plater profile again?

bleak sky
limber lion
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:')

fast nacelle
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thanks i ll check it out

arctic hare
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thanks

spice spire
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Cev’s plater profile more infamous than the man himself at this point

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Smh

arctic hare
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Lol

clever kindle
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ill be using nugrunning until 2750

thorny pond
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links Cev’s Plater
“Huh never heard of him but everyone I know uses this plater”

arctic hare
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Hahaha

limber lion
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I hope people modify it to their needs as well and don't stick to the default one

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Default one is fine, but I can see people wanting to change the resource visibility, fonts, special debuffs etc