assassination

[dawn ivy]

like im thinking either CT baseline and sbs talent or the opposite

[subtle tundra]

sbs talent fuck no

[dawn ivy]

but sin needs something baseline for multi target aoe besides fuckin subterfuge lol

[hollow river]

SBS talent YES POG

[oak sky]

Subterfuge is a talent

[dawn ivy]

true lmao

its just baseline to me in aoe LOL

[oak sky]

So is ct

[hollow river]

We need an aoe instant damage finisher

[oak sky]

Idk

[subtle tundra]

no

[hollow river]

Or for bleeds to do more damage

[oak sky]

I think we need ct baseline and a talent that makes envenom interact with aoe in some form

[dawn ivy]

idk about instant

[subtle tundra]

we need aoe synergy

[dawn ivy]

sin should still be a dot spec in any situation theyre in

[golden basalt]

I’d prefer CT not having an instant dmg effect to it and just a stronger dot

[limber lion]

That would be a bit dangerous

[slow marsh]

We need an exsang rework where it affects all bleeds / poisons within 15 yds

[golden basalt]

Perhaps

[limber lion]

Given how strong CT already is

[oak sky]

We need changes

[hollow river]

Yeah that’s big

[slow marsh]

veinripper torg power should be new exsang

[golden basalt]

but I’m biased and want sin to be giga everywhere

[slow marsh]

minus the agi buff

[muted ivy]

CT be replaced with a talent that empowers/interacts with it and CT baseline

[oak sky]

I really wouldnt mind flag and sbs or even er returning in 10.0

[dawn ivy]

er can be an outlaw thing

[oak sky]

Er is a good ability its just not perfect in our kit

[dawn ivy]

but im not touchin er on sin/sub even if its giga BiS

[oak sky]

Its giga bis on sub

[slow marsh]

kek

[dawn ivy]

and im still venthyr

and so are many rogues i know

[oak sky]

Er is fun unless you play the leggo on sin

[hollow river]

ER is a nice ability it just doesn’t seem great for sin because it just gives you longer dots

[dawn ivy]

er is cringe in a real prog scenario

[hollow river]

If it made those dots hit harder it’d be decent I think

[oak sky]

I mean

[gusty mirage]

longer dots = more damage though

[oak sky]

Every cp makes dots last longer

Its not just wr

Er

It makes it more energy efficient

[slow marsh]

It makes CT in ST not as miserable but then you're playing kyrian sin so

[oak sky]

And cp efficient

[hollow river]

I mean yeah ik because you have more time to use GCDs elsewhere

It’s just boooooring

[oak sky]

Landing a fatty animacharge feels pretty nice

[hollow river]

😪

[gusty mirage]

may I interest you in our adhd brethren, the outlaw rogue?

[oak sky]

But so does a 2nd cd

[dawn ivy]

if er consumed the buff even if you were above the CP that would instantly make it useable imo, gives it an incentive to still hit the lowest CP but doesnt threaten you with hitting 3 cp finishers by accident

[oak sky]

And so does a cleave buulder

[gusty mirage]

let's be real, assassination isn't flashy

[subtle tundra]

i am flashy 😎

[gusty mirage]

indeed

but that's regardless of the spec

[oak sky]

Me, a flashy individual

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

go play outlaw

[subtle tundra]

thats toxic

dont say that

[limber lion]

Maybe I should reward myself with something good tomorrow

For today was a lucrative day

[golden basalt]

Sounds healthy

What’s the reward

[gusty mirage]

is it farming fae renown?

so I can make fun of you?

[golden basalt]

As if the prophets not been renown 80 since launch

[oak sky]

Renown 1 fae

I'm ready

[slow marsh]

rogue groups for torg invites going out in 10

[oak sky]

No

[limber lion]

busy farming vault with ram

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

:(

[slow marsh]

[oak sky]

Not having both op timewalking items 🧐

[subtle tundra]

who?

[limber lion]

I also haven't played the game in 3 months

[visual prairie]

for the last month or so i just login to see if i got dagger and then pug heroic to get vault for next week and that's it. what are the op timewalking items?

[limber lion]

What a fun start to a new journey

[oak sky]

Lets get after it cev

[limber lion]

hours upon hours stuck inside vault of the wardens

[oak sky]

I wanna see you at the top of every leaderboard by the end of the week

[slow marsh]

hey

that's how it be

ask @gusty mirage

[oak sky]

Including court of stars runs

[limber lion]

Nah I'm good

[visual prairie]

what is the good item in vault, countermeasure? is that what does brittle?

[gusty mirage]

wha

[hollow river]

Cev is farming preraid bis to get ready for 9.2 RWF

[limber lion]

More like gear for my future trial so I don't make a fool of myself

[gusty mirage]

I got the cos ring in 4 runs

the vault trinket was miserable to farm though

[hollow river]

Wdym

[limber lion]

Yeh cos is easy

[gusty mirage]

you know he quit raiding with method, right?

[hollow river]

You gotta retrial? Or new guild altogether

Yeah I know

I was joking about the preraid bis stuff

[dawn ivy]

the way i read the sims is venthyr still beating out NF

im confused

[gusty mirage]

if 2pc stays the way it is, fae will be better

otherwise they're neck and neck

[limber lion]

New guild, I'm giving up on RWF. Don't have enough time to do it.

[dawn ivy]

yeah assuming its getting nerfed even a little bit

[limber lion]

Gonna take a slightly bit more casual approach, but still raid at a decent level.

[gusty mirage]

yeah it will be

likely 4pc bug will get fixed too

[limber lion]

3 days a week instead of 16 hours every day for 3 weeks.

[gusty mirage]

15% is over budget for what blizz is aiming for

[hollow river]

Oh I see. Well gl on your new endeavors I’m glad you’re coming back and looking for a better pace for yourself

[placid pagoda]

yo for mythic sylv

[hollow river]

Yeah 16 hrs a day that’s rough

[drifting cloud]

colour?

[placid pagoda]

do i hold vend etc until we get to sylv

or am i using on big ad first bridge

[drifting cloud]

both work

[hollow river]

Ask your Raid Leader

[placid pagoda]

its prog

[hollow river]

If you’re prog

[placid pagoda]

so using on big ads rn

[grand ridge]

send your cds constantly esp on soul judge

[oak sky]

Most people do double burn but if you need to push first plat faster you gotta do it

[hollow river]

Either is fine tbh

[placid pagoda]

yeah nuking soul judge

[drifting cloud]

you can do both on prog aswell lol thats why we cant really answer it

[limber lion]

Maybe, if I get a trial spot.

oops

wrong one

[placid pagoda]

Ah okay i see @drifting cloud

[limber lion]

@drifting cloud

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Robocev will acquire trial spot

[limber lion]

@hollow river but thank you!

[drifting cloud]

oh so you dont have a guild yet 😛

[hollow river]

[grand ridge]

unless you are getting stuck on a platform, send them as soon as it makes sense to do it

[limber lion]

Sure I do

[drifting cloud]

😩

[obtuse robin]

sheeeeesh

like he never left

[visual prairie]

in the pinned spreadsheet, how come the night fae 4p dps at the top is so much lower than the the night fae 4p base in the bottom section?

[gusty mirage]

what do you mean

[oak sky]

Top is without double leggo

[visual prairie]

in the top, the fae 4p is 12008 for ST 100% for example, but the 4p base before extra lego is 12144

[drifting cloud]

who are these nf plants, how much are you paying them @limber lion

[oak sky]

Probably just optimizations between the sims or little mistakes then

I wouldnt read too much into it

[gusty mirage]

variance most likely

[visual prairie]

that's too big to be variance

[gusty mirage]

is it?

[visual prairie]

yes

[gusty mirage]

how so

[drifting cloud]

maybe different profiles? I think the top sims were in a few days before the bottom set

[hollow river]

Nah

[oak sky]

Its like 1%

[hollow river]

Early sims with APL changes

[visual prairie]

if you run two sims in the same gear with the same apl, they will rarely vary by more than a couple dps for expected value

[hollow river]

It could be variance

[drifting cloud]

yeah but its not like whispyr is running 5 sample size sims

140 does sound a bit too much ngl

[hollow river]

That’s different

[hollow river]

Ye but

[balmy condor]

whats happening?

[hollow river]

It’s a lot of brand new stuff the variance could be tiny input error or something dumb

[obtuse robin]

[visual prairie]

if the apl was optimized between the two sections being done, that would explain it

[hollow river]

He’s asking about the diff between the two NF 4p bases

[visual prairie]

i just noticed

and was curious

[gusty mirage]

there's been no apl changes afaik

[balmy condor]

for single target?

for aoe?

[oak sky]

Besides its not a big deal this just gives us an idea of what is good on this ptr build not a definite statement

[balmy condor]

can I get like cell numbers or something

[hollow river]

^

[balmy condor]

oh I see it

[gusty mirage]

C9 v C30

[balmy condor]

the single target ones

yeah that's fucked

let me try and fix it

yeh

that's pre subterfuge

[gusty mirage]

the distributions seemed weird

[visual prairie]

different talents would explain it too

[drifting cloud]

subterfuge?? oh no

on second thought I dont even wanna know

[oak sky]

Subterfuge also makes venthyr worse i forgor about that

[hollow river]

What do you call adding the bonus effects? Just added spell data or something? Idk

[gusty mirage]

well not particularly adding spell data, @fleet anchor had to hardcore it in

[oak sky]

The new play is crit extreme venthyr we have to eliminate night fae from contention

[gusty mirage]

but afaik (and I haven't looked at any of the changes he made) the apl logic remains unchanged

[obtuse robin]

hell yea brother

[hollow river]

So it’s just “changing/writing in new code” is the proper terms for what I meant

I suppose

[gusty mirage]

ye for the lack of a better term

[fleet anchor]

APL logic comparing to what? There have been some small changes to support T28 better but those were a few days ago

[balmy condor]

@visual prairie all fixed

thanks

[gusty mirage]

pre-9.2 stuff

also shadowdust reduces the cd of the covenant abilities so you're an underappreciated hero around these parts

[hollow river]

?

[fleet anchor]

There's been a few tweaks to the APL from pre-9.2 but that's mostly just to play around some oddities from the 4pc

[gusty mirage]

yeppers, whispyr asked about it so I crafted it on live and tested it. Shadowdust reduced the cd of flag

[fleet anchor]

Nothing super significant, more just to make sure things still work correctly

[gusty mirage]

still our underappreciated hero

[fleet anchor]

Whispyr found a couple broken lines when testing, and I also updated the DoT refresh lines

But we haven't done any "logical" changes yet really

[hollow river]

So like adding lines like

“Dont cast flag of Vend is <25s”

Is APL ye?

[fleet anchor]

e.g.

actions.stealthed+="/garrote,target_if=min:remains,if=talent.subterfuge.enabled&(remains<12|pmultiplier<=1)&target.time_to_die-remains>2"
had to be come:
actions.stealthed+="/garrote,target_if=min:remains,if=talent.subterfuge.enabled&!will_lose_exsanguinate&(remains<12%exsanguinated_rate|pmultiplier<=1)&target.time_to_die-remains>2"

to account for the new refresh window timing

[hollow river]

Ok ye

[fleet anchor]

Yes, the APL has a section for syncing Vendetta and Flag when possible

[balmy condor]

that's going to be a mess btw

[hollow river]

Ye APL is where you configure how you need the spells to interact with each other/making rules for the sim to follow

[balmy condor]

shadowdust hard fucks that line I think

[fleet anchor]

I dunno if it really makes that much of a difference does it?

[hollow river]

Actual hard coding is mostly spell data?

[fleet anchor]

Still not sure Shadowdust is relevant anyway is it?

[limber lion]

Looks like it could be

[balmy condor]

shadowdust is pretty good

it's less relevant at 50%

but like

it ain't bad

[fleet anchor]

I mean I'm sure it's ok, but I don't think it'll be the final thing we use

[subtle tundra]

im hungry

🥺

[fleet anchor]

But I'm not sure it would impact the flag syncing much logically right? If we're using Shadowdust there's no Vendetta CDR. Vendetta and Vanish will always sync and you'd still want to use Vanish after Vendetta due to the talent row (and ensuring max CDR) so the only case where it'd impact syncing of Flag would be if Flag was already on CD when Vendetta came up right?

[timid cloud]

Back to Sin keys, slave!

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[timid cloud]

Back to the Vaults with you!

[balmy condor]

oh yeah I guess it would sync the vend back to the vanish

I didn't think about that

[fleet anchor]

You basically potentially just need a 20s adjustment to the cooldown.flagellation.remains line in the vendetta_covenant_condition variable (e.g.

-20* runeforge.invigorating_shadowdust*cooldown.vanish.ready)

probably the only real change it needs

actions.cds+=/variable,name=vendetta_covenant_condition,if=covenant.venthyr,value=floor((fight_remains-20)%(120*variable.vendetta_cdr))>floor((fight_remains-20-cooldown.flagellation.remains)%(120*variable.vendetta_cdr))|buff.flagellation_buff.up|debuff.flagellation.up|fight_remains<20

in this line

(Yay Discord formatting)

[timid cloud]

Oh no. Math. My greatest weakness...please no! My head hurts...

[slow marsh]

50% or bust

[hollow river]

Toxic Onslaught Duskwalkers will slaughter thine enemies

[fleet anchor]

So possibly something like

actions.cds+=/variable,name=vendetta_covenant_condition,if=covenant.venthyr,value=floor((fight_remains-20)%(120*variable.vendetta_cdr))>floor((fight_remains-20-cooldown.flagellation.remains-(20*runeforge.invigorating_shadowdust*cooldown.vanish.ready)))%(120*variable.vendetta_cdr))|buff.flagellation_buff.up|debuff.flagellation.up|fight_remains<20

Would be worth testing

[oak sky]

Playing night fae is whatever

Playing TO

Oxipain

[slow marsh]

I think the reason NF is edging out venth is exactly what I thought would happen which is that you can mostly full send vendetta on NF whereas you have to hold to sync for flag on venth

[hollow river]

I mean in 9.2 you have to play cov leggo

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oak sky]

Thats what i mean

[slow marsh]

I would still be interested to see a venth sim where it just full sends everything when it's up

@balmy condor

instead of syncing

[limber lion]

hmmm

[slow marsh]

probs a loss still but worth checking imo

[fleet anchor]

I mean the current syncing logic in the APL is more "full send" than you think

[limber lion]

yeh

[fleet anchor]

It only syncs it if you won't lose a cast

Which is usually like the last usage

[limber lion]

like you might want to check out how it works currently

because it's not syncing everytime

even with duskies

[slow marsh]

from what i was seeing it was

[fleet anchor]

It syncs when you won't waste a cast of either of them

Otherwise it's fine desyncing

It's not worth throwing away a use

[drifting cloud]

what does it do on like 4:40-4:50 kill timers

where youd only get half a use?

[limber lion]

Def doesn't

[drifting cloud]

I know its not really relevant just seems to happen on like 3-4 farm bosses in this raid 😛

[fleet anchor]

This is basically what those lines I mentioned above are doing in as simple a way as possible, even if it's annoying to read

[limber lion]

Then it syncs casts properly

[fleet anchor]

actions.cds+=/variable,name=vendetta_covenant_condition,if=covenant.venthyr,value=floor((fight_remains-20)%(120*variable.vendetta_cdr))>floor((fight_remains-20-cooldown.flagellation.remains)%(120*variable.vendetta_cdr))|buff.flagellation_buff.up|debuff.flagellation.up|fight_remains<20

is basically comparing
(fight length - 20s) / Vendetta CD
vs.
(fight length - 20s - Remaining Flag CD) / Vendetta CD

and seeing if it gets a full extra use in or not

[slow marsh]

right here it holds for 1min 15 to sync with flag

[fleet anchor]

The comment says what to do regardless of the fancy math expression

Sync Vendetta with Flagellation and Sepsis as long as we won't lose a cast over the fight duration

...

Sync Flagellation with Vendetta as long as we won't lose a cast over the fight duration

But that does require knowing the length of the encounter with some degree of certainty

Over a larger fight length you'll desync more because there's more to lose

[drifting cloud]

yeah silly guildies always go and die making me lose a flag cast

because I sync up expecting under 4:35~

[fleet anchor]

Everyone has a plan until the Venthyr boomies pop their CDs

"Oh looking like I'll get another CD set in...and it's dead"

[hollow river]

It’s quite easy to check this on your own iirc

Just change the sim fight length and check the APL of your sim for what time it casts them

[fleet anchor]

And in the lines above if you wanted to support considering partial casts could change the fight_length-20 to like fight_length-10 or something but iirc that wasn't a gain. It is one of those things we tend to re-test every so often though since things change over time

[slow marsh]

yeah

i just wish we could see how much energy is being wasted due to flag haste in vend but it's one of those nuance things

[limber lion]

You know Koji, I was trying to come up with a logic for forcing bleed reapplications for the Vendetta overhang, and working on the bleed lines is awful

I was having a grand time doing stuff with Flag/Vend/Shiv

[fleet anchor]

lol

[limber lion]

But bleed lines got me going

[fleet anchor]

They are good fun, what are you talking about? 🤔

Everyone likes bleeds

[limber lion]

Too big brain for smolbrain like me

[fleet anchor]

Honestly I'd maybe just add a new line

For testing purposes

That was very limited in scope

[limber lion]

Yeh fair enough

[fleet anchor]

actions.dot+=/rupture,if=set_bonus.tier28_4pc&!variable.skip_rupture&effective_combo_points>=4&!will_lose_exsanguinate&debuff.vendetta.up&debuff.vendetta.remains<X&dot.rupture.remains<Y

or something

[marble hemlock]

[fleet anchor]

Where X is probably like... 4? And Y is maybe 6-8 or something?

Dunno would need some tinkering

[limber lion]

Yeh makes sense, I'll give those a go and play around with the numbers

[fleet anchor]

Probably better to have it split on a purpose built line just for logging purposes

so you can see in the APL stats how frequently it gets called

[limber lion]

Garrote can probably have a lower X because it doesn't require build up

Yeh fair

[hollow river]

Guys I’ve been wondering. If it stays that bleeds “snapshot” the 4p effect after being cast at the end of Vendetta, could we check to see if hard setting rupture or CT to max CP would be a gain? Maybe later on after everything is fully implemented I suppose.

[fleet anchor]

# Special Garrote and Rupture setup prior to Exsanguinate cast
actions.dot+=/garrote,if=talent.exsanguinate.enabled&!will_lose_exsanguinate&dot.garrote.pmultiplier<=1&cooldown.exsanguinate.remains<2&spell_targets.fan_of_knives=1&raid_event.adds.in>6&dot.garrote.remains*0.5<target.time_to_die
actions.dot+=/rupture,if=talent.exsanguinate.enabled&(effective_combo_points>=cp_max_spend&cooldown.exsanguinate.remains<1&dot.rupture.remains*0.5<target.time_to_die)

Same as these lines in principle

Which are to set up the casts before Exsang

[slow marsh]

i doubt cuz that's more to do with cp waste

[dawn ivy]

mm yes yes, now how does that logic scale us?

[limber lion]

Yeah, I was surprised to see their own entire lines for Exsanguinate

Exsang, cycle-targets and st.

[fleet anchor]

Yeah it's kinda the only way to keep things clean, even if it seems like a lot

The lines are long enough as it is..

[limber lion]

I mean, it makes sense yeh

We don't want another fire mage situation

[hollow river]

Yes but energy is an absolute non issue at that point in time

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I mean I didn't put specific time into this yet since the dev seemed to be waffling on if it would stay or not

I think it should stay personally because I think him trying to re-up the duration back to normal is a minefield 😛

[slow marsh]

it's not so much energy itself as it is that you could be getting more finishers off in general

[fleet anchor]

Presumably that would result in ANOTHER haste snapshot point to try to manually re-adjust the duration back to double

Which could be wonky

It's already wonky enough lol

[hollow river]

I agree and I also felt it would be more work than it was worth for them to fix tbh

[spice spire]

Wdym that’s a clean apl

[fleet anchor]

I actually would much rather he just found a way for DoTs to tick twice as fast when Vendetta up and toss all this Exsangy stuff in the dumpster 😛

[hollow river]

Same

[slow marsh]

thank you koji

[hollow river]

Would be sick

[slow marsh]

i said that and got flamed

[fleet anchor]

I mean I get why people like that this has some rotational change but

I dislike it mechanically because it's a total mess

[slow marsh]

It's definitely more rewarding for high skill play so i get it

[hollow river]

I dislike spamming reapplies

[spice spire]

Something, something filthy rper, something NF apologist

[hollow river]

But I like the minmax aspect of it snapshotting

[fleet anchor]

We just need BfA timewalking

To get our GCB

🤣

[spice spire]

Yes man

[dawn ivy]

but what are you minmaxing really

genuine question

theres no haste trinkets like gcb

[fleet anchor]

As I did post in my forum post, I think this aspect is mostly negative honestly

There's more chance of losing Flag/Alacrity stacks in the opener and random Flag stacks than actually gaining snapshot

Given the timing aignments

Maybe we find some way of abusing Flag with it if they keep the overhang

But seems difficult

[slow marsh]

it kind of is but not too bad

i've gotten lineups where flag is up during the overhang which is nice

[hollow river]

Also @slow marsh I personally feel that it could be a gain to hard set them to max CP at that particular moment. It’s not “wasting” CP if it does more damage 🙂

[fleet anchor]

Yeah but it's also equally possible when we pop Flag+Vendetta sync'd that we lose the Flag buff for like.. half our DoT ticks

[slow marsh]

yeah true i mean it'd be preferable to set them up anyways

[hollow river]

Just curious to see the results later on

[fleet anchor]

Since Flag has to ramp there's gonna be some desync with the snapshot

One way or another

Not like GCB where you just pop it

then Exsang

[slow marsh]

yeah

obvi flag and vend are sycned on first cast so that's not really in question

the snapshotting also helps in that we get to get some of the exsang bleeds in our 2nd shiv after vend

[balmy condor]

EVERYTHING? including shiv?

[slow marsh]

no mostly just vend

[balmy condor]

sure

[slow marsh]

shiv already full sends

[dawn ivy]

well it might not with how strong it is inside vendetta

might just turn it into a 30 second cooldown

[balmy condor]

it holds for vend

[dawn ivy]

1 with vendetta 1 without, and repeat

[slow marsh]

yeah true

[fleet anchor]

Have you tried full sending Shiv? I've been syncing it all the time but now that you mention it using it on CD might be good.

[dawn ivy]

so now we're just fucking sub rogues lmao

[balmy condor]

not yet but I'm setting up some full sends atm

[dawn ivy]

1 symbols window WITH flag, 1 without

[slow marsh]

cuz if you full send vend it should be at least 50s cd which lines up with every shiv

[fleet anchor]

🤣

[slow marsh]

FULL SEND BB

[fleet anchor]

I full send Mutilates every time

[limber lion]

yuk

[slow marsh]

full send is such an outlaw term it's weird to say in regards to sin

[fleet anchor]

lol

Outlaw all about the full send bb

[dawn ivy]

full sending 9 different major CDs and none of them are major

outlaw truly is a wonderous thing

[clever kindle]

what is there to send, adrenaline rush

[dawn ivy]

ar/cov/gs/blade rush/mfd/bte

[drifting cloud]

(deez nuts)

[fleet anchor]

I mean at the end of the day the main reason is Restless Blades. When you have a mechanic that gives you CDR when you do things, it's generally a bad thing to have anything off CD.

[dawn ivy]

yeh

it makes sense

its just gross feeling

[clever kindle]

I do like the current version of building your own 5 buff, and to me thats just all rotational stuff outside AR/Covenant

[drifting cloud]

so you dont save AR for sludge pillars?

[clever kindle]

you it lines up

[fleet anchor]

Nah I use Killing Spree for pillars

[balmy condor]

@fleet anchor I hate it

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r5pCMzwXTBymvNsRqLkYtn

[obtuse robin]

we r full send andys

[clever kindle]

can you get 3 more dps pls

[drifting cloud]

FULL SEND activated

[slow marsh]

I am the real prophet

[drifting cloud]

it always comes down to that koji quote

how 20% of the time it doesnt matter what you press on assa

[clever kindle]

playing sin in 9.2

[fleet anchor]

I'd have to look more at the actual differences

I suspect there's some funny hangup there that's doing most of it

[balmy condor]

I added extra lines above each of the normal casts, and trimmed like 90% of the stuff off of it

[slow marsh]

it's an extra vend cast

[fleet anchor]

But like for example

[slow marsh]

yeah and 5 extra shivs

[fleet anchor]

The 12s thing on Shiv makes sense to remove with Dust because you'll use Vanish with Vendetta anyway

so there's no reason to delay ever

[balmy condor]

also I forgot to mention

that's 1.6%

on top of 0.9% for dusk specifically

the dust fixed thing already is 0.9% up

[fleet anchor]

When you say Dust fixed, do you mean the Subterfuge thing?

[balmy condor]

no

[fleet anchor]

Which are you referring to?

[balmy condor]

remember how we made a variable for vend cd estimates earlier in 9.1

to account for dusk

[fleet anchor]

Sure

[hollow river]

also the bit of extra juiced energy regen will just feed dusk moree 🙂

[balmy condor]

well because we have more energy

that number needs to change

and I glanced at it

[fleet anchor]

Ah yeah, sure

[balmy condor]

and 0.9% popped out

so winns

[fleet anchor]

Yeah that makes sense

Well

Kinda

Presuming they don't change the set bonus anyway 😛

[hollow river]

wait what happened now

[fleet anchor]

But yeah probably we just want to make that a T28 modifier on the value at the top since that's the main source of the energy gain increase I would assume

[balmy condor]

really the variable doesn't make sense math wise

so I'm guessing it's just loosening it up

and letting it cast on cd

which is really the gain

[fleet anchor]

I mean the variable is only really used for alignment estimation

[balmy condor]

ye

[fleet anchor]

So it doesn't have to be perfect anyway

There are probably some funny mathematical overlaps with Flag ramp time and who knows what else that influence it in mysterious ways

Since our energy gains are not linear

[obtuse robin]

whispyr running some sims so far we full sending everything on cd

[drifting cloud]

FULL. SEND.

[fleet anchor]

But like the Shiv line makes sense logically anyway at 100%

[hollow river]

that doesn't seem to be what he said was the gain in that sim

but if it is then

[limber lion]

at least it'll make for easier explaining and learning

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

press everything on cd

[balmy condor]

I tested it at 50 and it was still huge

[limber lion]

You know that Outlaw spec? Yeah, we're Outlaw now

[hollow river]

NO

[limber lion]

glowy buttons glows, press it

[hollow river]

PLEASE NO

[slow marsh]

well i mean cdr leggo

but not casting on cd

is kinda troll no?

[fleet anchor]

Also

It's not just T28 for the Dusk factor mathematically

[hollow river]

[fleet anchor]

Probably also could technically account for Flag

[balmy condor]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kHBaFU2RrXa1CjHuhzNcqK

that's still full send

but with 20% on the 2 set

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I mean most of that is Shiv in that case

[balmy condor]

yeh

[fleet anchor]

I mean it makes sense, it's a strong buff

even at 20% it's basically just mini-Vendetta

Really don't wanna lose casts

And at 100% it's kinda lol

[hollow river]

gonna break my shiv key next tier slamming that thing so hard

[fleet anchor]

Actually, funny enough this appears to be due to 4pc alignment. When I take the 4pc away it does nothing.

[slow marsh]

weird

[fleet anchor]

Could be the overhang period makes the 4pc window effectively long enough to not matter

That's my intuitive guess here without a deep-dive

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's terrible without the 4pc

might be vend/vanish timing related

with overhang nonsense

[fleet anchor]

yeah

Kinda wary of spending too much time on that until we figure out the future of that mechanic lol

[balmy condor]

yeh

agree

[slow marsh]

it's the combination of extra casts + most of shiv at start of every vend and then again during snapshotted bleeds

just proves getting the two shiv applications on 4p bleeds is worth more than flag sync

i'm interested to see that same sim with CT. I can't sim on beta =[

[nimble thicket]

I would love CT to be a thing, I enjoy the extra dot as sin

[limber lion]

just don't use the beta site lol

[dawn ivy]

not with this tier set

[slow marsh]

oopsies 😄

[dawn ivy]

felt blessed seeing CT not being taken anywhere

at least on ST we dont need the abomination

[fleet anchor]

Well problem is once CT starts getting close you just end up taking it because once there are adds it's way better

It doesn't really have to be better

Just good enough

[slow marsh]

i think CT optimization could be done for apl too but don't need to look at it until we know if snapshot stays or not

cuz with CT it prio's CT during vend shiv and doesn't snapshot a rupture like it does with PB

[fleet anchor]

Rupture should always have prio over CT in ST

ST CT is like the lowest priority DoT in the APL

[slow marsh]

well it doesn't let it fall off

but it's not reapplying rupture right at the end of vendetta

[fleet anchor]

Sure but the case for that wouldn't really be different for CT vs. non-CT

In any case where it uses CT ST, it would just use Envenom

[slow marsh]

well yeah i get that but the sim is refreshing CT when vend is ending and reapply rup after

snapshotting a rupture at the end of vend is pretty big because of shiv timing and CT is messing up the timing of it for whatever reason

[wanton path]

what are the %'s on the sims?

[slow marsh]

what do you mean by %s

[wanton path]

like the 100/60/50/40%

[slow marsh]

that's 2p %

since we don't know where it'll end up being nerfed to

[wanton path]

ah righto ty

nightfae ewww

[subtle tundra]

ok dont type that

you dont mean it

nightfae yaaaay

[limber lion]

pls no

[subtle tundra]

🇾🇪

currently under reconstruction from a day full of depletes

[balmy condor]

pls yes

no fae, no mfd

yes yes yes

very good

keep that up

whatever you're doing, keep doing that

[limber lion]

Vigor > MFD > DS

[balmy condor]

vigor > ds >>>>>>>>>> mfd

[limber lion]

DS can suck my hairy balls

[balmy condor]

mfd bad

[subtle tundra]

ok i just realised this is the last push week of the season fuck fuck

[limber lion]

go get em tiger

[subtle tundra]

yea you dont know how much i depleted soa today

ok so it went 29-28-27-26-28-27-27

we only learned the dungeon on the last 27 and depleted on last boss

omega sad 😦

[fleet anchor]

I mean set bonus is gonna skew DS because it actually increases Rupture damage while Vigor does nothing to increase bleed damage at all so it doesn't really synergize with the bonus.

[hollow river]

we're also going to be fully saturated roughly every minute

so i don't think ds sounds bad to play tbh

i'm also wondering what our 2t opener is going to look like with these bonuses if they stay the way they are (besides the 2p% ofc)

because atm it seems like it'd be very beneficial to set up full bleeds first, then vendetta+shiv but that'd be kinda clunky and wouldn't fall into the "press vendetta on CD" thing

definitely going to be some interesting rotations to see come out of this in the sims

[nimble thicket]

DAMMMMM, just read the updated sets

[bronze pike]

Fairies rissse

[slow marsh]

Well new apl stuff puts venth back ahead

But yeah nf seems at least viable so far for all the furries

I mean faeries

[limber lion]

I found at least a 3.1% gain for NF Nightstalker as well

[drifting cloud]

🙈

[slow marsh]

but does it beat subt O.o

[dull osprey]

Is MA in dungeon slice sim wrong? Why is it saying I should use that?

[balmy condor]

it's pretty good

but it's not like

crazy or anything

[dull osprey]

I mean, I'm a derp fae rogue so no obedience. But it sims super high

even in subterfuge build

[limber lion]

Just play Zoldyck honestly

[limber lion]

definitely not

lmao

Subterfuge is the talent we will be playing

like

for sure

[slow marsh]

yeah too good and no downsides unlike NS

also @limber lion how are you still awake usually you're donezo by now

[limber lion]

I slept for 14 hours yesterday

That's like 3 days worth of sleep right there

[slow marsh]

pog

[cerulean nest]

soulshape rise up?

[limber lion]

Whispyr is actively plotting against us

Don't get your hopes up

[cerulean nest]

too late

hope at an all time high

[muted ivy]

If we band together we can overcome Whispyr

[hollow river]

Yup

Right until he posts the meme emote with the red eyes

Then we are all fucked

[drifting cloud]

[hollow river]

[drifting cloud]

so long fusion amp wont really miss you

[echo geyser]

gz

how many runs

[drifting cloud]

I wasnt really keeping track

maybe like 30?

[echo geyser]

go achievements statistics

cordana felsong mythic

in the search bar

[drifting cloud]

you noober I played in legion

[echo geyser]

[hollow river]

[echo geyser]

r.io doesnt track it properly anyways

[drifting cloud]

its 20-30

pretty sure

ive gotten like 5-6k valor but I ran some courts

[echo geyser]

im not imagining when i think that item is more rare right

[subtle tundra]

@echo geyser this is the last push week of the season?

should be

[echo geyser]

compared to the armor + neck etc

[echo geyser]

bruh

we gonna have like 8-10more weeks

[drifting cloud]

yeah more items on loot table

[subtle tundra]

[drifting cloud]

in vault

[subtle tundra]

the next decent week is week 7, 6 weeks from now

[echo geyser]

next tyr week is aight

then its fort grevious spiteful

[subtle tundra]

yea but after

[echo geyser]

tyr bursting volcanic (omega tyr)

[oak sky]

@balmy condor is this real?

[hollow river]

[drifting cloud]

how many trinkets did you see drop ramfam

[echo geyser]

only 2-3

[slow marsh]

I think with un-nerfed 2p yea

[oak sky]

We made it?

Its happening?

[drifting cloud]

yeah this was my 2nd ive seen

[slow marsh]

i don't think so

[echo geyser]

i got 34 or 37 runs

[oak sky]

Ep ds is the dream

[echo geyser]

if i dont get it after 50 its rigged

[drifting cloud]

some shaman said he had 140 2days ago

🙈

[echo geyser]

[slow marsh]

I mean maybe. I don't mind ep/ds as much. But I think mfd gains value with the new highly intelligent "full send" apl strat

[hollow river]

Idts

[gloomy knoll]

@drifting cloud grats

[oak sky]

Hey man

[gloomy knoll]

free from trinket slavery

[oak sky]

My feelycraft day 1 of ptr said ep/ds/subt

So

It has to be right

[slow marsh]

it could be depending on where 2p falls. i'm not counting it out

vigor still in the race too just for the extra cap

NF kind of has a chance to be viable so anything is possible

[oak sky]

Its all coming together

[hollow river]

If TO is changed to make AR reduce our GCD it’s easily bis

[drifting cloud]

[hollow river]

Just imagine those phat openers

[fleet anchor]

It does reduce your GCD

For SnD

😛

[subtle tundra]

wtf?

[fleet anchor]

But yeah the issue with the GCD Reduction is that it's fully whitelisted

Only on specific abilities

#3 (id=165715)   : Apply Aura (6) | Add Flat Modifier (107): Spell Global Cooldown (21)
                   Base Value: -200 | Scaled Value: -200 | PvP Coefficient: 1.00000 | Misc Value: 21 | Target: Self (1)
                   Affected Spells: Dispatch (2098), Slice and Dice (5171), Pistol Shot (185763), Sinister Strike (193315), Ghostly Strike (196937), Sinister Strike (197834), Between the Eyes (199804), Between the Eyes (315341), Slice and Dice (315496), Roll the Bones (315508), Sinister Strike (341541)
                   Family Flags: 18, 26, 60, 98, 101, 111, 112, 113

They never updated it

As part of the NF stuff

[slow marsh]

I feel like the Deeper strat would be better for NF too cuz shadowblades

[limber lion]

If only they added our abilities to that list

[oak sky]

The build even has poison bomb

Best case

[hollow river]

That’s kinda funny

[fleet anchor]

The funny part is it doesn't reduce the GCD of Covenant abilities either

Which is something we reported a long time ago too

Not really a major issue but unfortunate

[drifting cloud]

any resonable explanation why double on use wins on theotar

but not on nadja

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h5y8aqXV856NQX2p5toeVJ
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/guqzhEwwuJESBrX5HHtdvH

[fleet anchor]

0.3% difference between them, could be anything. Maybe slightly better usage out of Vers/Crit party favors vs. Fatal Flaw alignment

[drifting cloud]

yeah Id never play it just found it funny

its not possible to force a tea in topgear sims right?

[balmy condor]

it is

shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit

slap that sucker in

[drifting cloud]

oh well that helps

am I dumb I cant get it to work

🙈

oh you need to put it in custom obv

[lyric crater]

took me long enough beat sin mage tower not looking forward to the other 2 of i want that mount

[drifting cloud]

outlaw is super free, just get crusader on weapons and falcosaur omelet

and you can facetank meteors

and nythendra pod does big carry on xylem

[lyric crater]

hmm intresting

maybe ill go get it sub was the one that suck the most during legion has no aoe or a slow now they do

[hollow river]

spiced falcosaur omelet?

why is that good lol

[fallow otter]

@drifting cloud u simming for raid?

why those talents

[drifting cloud]

its 10% haste notrickz

[hollow river]

movement and attack speed when killing each enemy o.O

[drifting cloud]

works on agatha

[fallow otter]

outlaw was very free when i realised it has a soft enrage lol

[drifting cloud]

whats wrong with my talents stunkei

[fallow otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hs1w9pW2HeoSDo1qwUGyq2

[drifting cloud]

thats great

[fallow otter]

but you might not be simming for raid so...

[drifting cloud]

has monk melted your brains

[fallow otter]

nah i might just be late to the convo

[drifting cloud]

open logs check how many bosses people play bs ds

[fallow otter]

mage tower talents?

[arctic walrus]

you play those talents for raid?

u good bro?

[fallow otter]

NUP

im outa tha loop

u dont run this for pure ST?

[hollow river]

only for guardian

that's the only boss we'd run those talents

[drifting cloud]

yeah so 1 boss and most dont even run it there

[fallow otter]

ya ok so im not completely nuts

[arctic walrus]

80% of people dont run

[drifting cloud]

@arctic walrus this u

[gusty mirage]

wut

lemme see the rest of that

[drifting cloud]

that green icon jumped into my screen when I was scrolling down

[fallow otter]

at least there is more goin on with subt and mfd sin

[limber lion]

Accompanied by 30 externals probably

[fallow otter]

i go from ww to old sin and its brain ded

[arctic walrus]

nah that aint sheeq

cant be

[drifting cloud]

nah its a tarragrue log 😄

[limber lion]

Ah

[twilit hollow]

how far behind is master poisoner currently i havent even looked

[limber lion]

I didn't even look at the dps, only tunneled on the talent

[limber lion]

It's pretty bad

[twilit hollow]

[limber lion]

Don't play it ever

[twilit hollow]

maybe one day

[limber lion]

We're not poison boys anymore

[twilit hollow]

i remember that weird point in legion where agonizing poison was a thing that scaled with mastery

and was like freakish damage amp

[drifting cloud]

excuse me Cev you can play it in mage tower

did you not check out the wowhead guide by whispyr

[limber lion]

True

Some people still doing it

Eks dee

But yeh, now that you mention it, it is decent in PvP as well

[static rock]

this may be a dumb question but is the assa nf dream alive?

or still bad?

[drifting cloud]

its all of the above

[balmy condor]

NF is probably fine

but doesn't look optimal

if you really like fae you can play it

[arctic walrus]

dont give them hope

[arctic hare]

lol

[strange python]

anyone still use death spikes lego in M+?

how viable is it, is it worth making?

[slow marsh]

na

if you dont have it crafted dont bother

i used it to meme with while speed running +2 vaults along with MA talent for 100% crit spikes out of stealth and it's not even good there

[oak sky]

Christmas came early

[full tide]

I'd have liked it if deathspike was reworked a bit to be closer to obedience on ST

Always preferred playing necro

[strange python]

so what is the go with 9.2 cov / lego combinations

[dawn ivy]

main consensus with sims is dusk/venth

check pins and youll find the spreadsheet

with alllllll sorts of numbers

[strange python]

ahh thanks always forget about the pins

hmm gay

i wanna play necro

[cerulean nest]

so do it

[strange python]

am i reading right? for necro its dusk as well

[slow marsh]

it's dusk for everyone

[strange python]

fuck i gotta make a new lego as welll

[slow marsh]

you were already going to have to

make two new leggos

[strange python]

whys that?

[slow marsh]

slots

[strange python]

oh like into new ones

oh probs bc tier set might take it up

fack

btw 252 dagger + 246 eon or 2x 246 eons?

[slow marsh]

sim

[strange python]

-120dps

interesting

[drifting cloud]

sounds like wrong enchants

[balmy condor]

Aight pins all got updated and rolled together where appropriate

Let me know if there’s a spreadsheet error or anything looks off

[versed mica]

crip or mind poison for MT?

[balmy condor]

Numbing

Shouldn’t make much of a difference either way

Both will reduce a handful of auto attack hits and that’s about it

[drifting cloud]

dont you need crippling to kite jarl?

[balmy condor]

I didn’t

[drifting cloud]

what a gamer

[spice spire]

Ty mr. whíspyr.

I do have one qualm. It seems that you have Necrolord as the lower simming covenant - I feel this should be corrected, ty.

[balmy condor]

Apologies I will increase the item level of the necrolord daggers by 40 ilvl

Hopefully this alleviates your concerns

[spice spire]

Ty mr. whíspyr

[fleet anchor]

Maybe Blizzard will see a zdps 9.2 legendary and take pity on it

We can always hope

[spice spire]

Seliathan has left us. I am the bastion of Necrolord sinning

[fleet anchor]

If only some community council person could say something

😛

Hey you know I love Necro

[spice spire]

Even 9.2 will take me. Hope is dim brethren

[fleet anchor]

I was one of the few 9.1.5 Necro hold-outs

[spice spire]

I’m still here brøther Koji

[fleet anchor]

I actually was Necro even in SoD for as long as I was playing Assassination

I only swapped Kyrian for Sub

I'm a staunch Venthyr denier

[spice spire]

Venthyr chill though.
I’m just hardstuck on it being goated. I’m trying so hard

[fleet anchor]

I'd rather go back to NF than Venthyr

[balmy condor]

incorrect take

[fleet anchor]

Revendreth is the most annoying zone. Maldraxxus may be ugly, but at least it's relatively convenient

Also SBS is so fun I really just want Necro to be good

I did not really like Kyrian much but the Kyrian legendary does help quite a lot

Actually somewhat funny that the best Covenant legendary is the one that actually just is the most boring +more damage one with Obedience 😛

[magic summit]

hey ive just made my rouge with 9.2 soon ish am i better off making another lego insted of the ven one as we will get it for free in liek 1-2 months

[balmy condor]

doesn't really matter, you'll recraft whatever you craft right now at a higher ilvl

[slow marsh]

tbh cdr is fun but i get what you mean

[magic summit]

okey thanks whispyr

[marble hemlock]

Pretty toxic

Considering i played necro the entirety of sod progression

[spice spire]

Abandoned

[strange python]

So NF and Venth fighting for top spot it seems?

I'll take it

I'm assuming those sims include the covenant-specific one as well

[thorny pond]

2pc power will directly correlate to strength of Nf

[limber lion]

The sims in the pins have combinations for all of them

With covenant legendary, with 2 legendaries, at 100% 2p effectiveness, at 50% 2p effectiveness etc.

I wouldn't look at the 100% sims too too much

[strange python]

Yeah I see the % stuff - the stuff labeled like "Fae Dusk" contains both legendaries then, for example - I Just wanted to make sure.

[dense herald]

Just read the ravenholdt assass guide, but just want to clarify usage of shiv- is it usually gonna be better to press on cd regardless of what combo points you’re at?
Or do we hold it until max combo and then shiv to focus on the empowered envenoms?

[limber lion]

Yeh, they all have the covenant legendaries equipped.

[strange python]

I mean 12,024 (50% fae dusk) vs 12,074 (venth dusk) - isnt enough to make me play venthyr lol

[limber lion]

No, you always press it on cooldown. The only exception (currently) is to hold it for a maximum of 10s for Vendetta.

Even if you're at 0CP or 5CP

[dense herald]

Okay, and mutilate benefits from shiv right?

[balmy condor]

The poisons it applies does, since those are nature damage

The actual mutilate is physical, so no

[dense herald]

Makes sense, been playing around a bit learning the rotation and was initially holding shivs for ages until I was at full combo points and pooled energy

Hitting on cd makes more sense

[limber lion]

Yeah, you don't really have to think too hard about stuff like combo points/pooling honestly

[balmy condor]

Yeh just think of it as more uptime

[limber lion]

Just slam everything on CD and you're doing great

[dense herald]

And I’ll probably upgrade my frost dom shards, I’ve seen a few top sub logs using frost over blood too so for someone looking to play a bit of both frost is a good option?

Ty for the quick answers btw

[limber lion]

Frost is not too great for Sub, but yeah. Frost is a decent pick which works fine

Unholy is like the second best pick for both, but not best for either so I personally wouldn't pick that

[balmy condor]

They play frost on sub because they’re getting externals mostly

Every frost sub gamer is most likely venthyr getting a kindred link

[limber lion]

Yeh, just choose frost or blood depending on which spec you like more and stick to it.

[strange python]

Frost is a bit more reliant on crit though

So like don't go frost and have a mix of gear and like 30% crit and expect to see the numbers you see in the logs from it, etc

[limber lion]

Yeah but to be fair all the items used are from the raid

So long as you do the raid, you'll get the crit pieces eventually

[strange python]

I'm going NF now in preparation for 9.2

It's always been the most fun for world ganking in korthia

[soft shale]

nf is quite bae with our girl korayn

getting that sweet 100% crit

[south hollow]

I know it's only hc but can I get a log review, please? I think i used 2nd vendetta too fast and didn't have mfd up for the vanish, also i think i maybe should've kept 2nd flag for 2nd vendetta because of the kill timer...and i didn't refresh rupture properly in the end. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YN29Cknt8zKdj1BX#fight=3&type=damage-done

[outer cairn]

i actually like playing necro. like being able to actually use the ability while doing questing and stuff instead of just popping flag every once in awhile on rares

i seriously hope they do fix sbs for 9.2. either allow it to stack i.e. 1st does 100%, 2nd does 75-50%, 3rd does 50-25% and extra stacks eventually fall off so make it a class thing you have to watch and maintain for max dps.

[clever kindle]

SBS is also amazing for pulling mobs at a distance or tag shit, the entire necro kit feels more useful in open world content imo

[outer cairn]

oh god yes. i can literally just be like tag tag tag and start throwing up bleeds and fok into more stuff and just feels way nicer

like i said they should let us stack on ST for more damage for a period of time and maybe at a reduced rate or make the bleed work with tier set

so during vendetta it ticks what? every 1.75 seconds instead

[deft cave]

just rework necro lego

[outer cairn]

yeah it seems underwhelming. so if i have 6 targets i can get 6 bonespikes ticking. maybe

if it spreads to one that doesn't ahve

[strange python]

Not to mention, you're pretty much always getting 100% effectiveness from the necro SBS - assuming you save a charge for an add, etc. Whereas the other ones are more prone to error or mechanics interrupting their effectiveness.

[viscid spear]

I'm angry. That yellow light sabre is so awesome but I hate Outlaw

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

All the daggers look like shortswords in my human's massive hands

[spice spire]

Human

[viscid spear]

What?

[spice spire]

Alliance in this pure horde server

Actually there’s quite a bit of alliance it’s all a meme

[viscid spear]

my Horde guild of 6 years dumped me when I got a night job a few years back

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

I had had a Druid in an Alliance guild that I wasn't doing anything with and they suggested helping them with Dazar'alor progress

I do miss being Horde though.

[alpine latch]

Still no ring or trinket... Fuck my life

[strange python]

how many runs

[viscid spear]

[viscid spear]

Thought the servers were up

[alpine latch]

I mean from Legion

I'm so tired of running Vault and Court. I haven't even seen one drop yet

[viscid spear]

There's still 2 more weeks of Legion TW, right?

Never about the servers, I'm dumb

[strange python]

How many runs have you tried?

[gusty mirage]

clearly not enough

[alpine latch]

14 Vaults, 11 CoS. I've been splitting time recruiting for my guild and spamming SL 15s to get them geared up to start joining us in raid.

[gusty mirage]

bruh you're frustrated after 25 total runs?

[alpine latch]

I'm frustrated this is even a thing.

[gusty mirage]

it doesn't have to be if you don't want it to be

[tribal mauve]

got the trinket after 31 runs the same day xD 25 total is fine

[alpine latch]

And no, just overall depressed and this is something I can at least complain about

[gusty mirage]

[alpine latch]

I was around 35ish runs for my Phial

And I did 24 dungeons in a week to get it

[gusty mirage]

I got pretty lucky with the phial

I got it on run ~16 I think?

[alpine latch]

My alt rogue (which is now my main) got it my very first run

Legit the luckiest shit ever.

[tribal mauve]

phial season 1 > late af / Phial s2, week 2 in vault lucky one

[gusty mirage]

I got 3 pox storms before I got the phial

I was the oprah winfrey of pox storms early in the season

[alpine latch]

I got a carry from a buddy and looted Eye gloves, got traded KT shoulders, looted EoN, and was traded Dom chest. Then the Tuesday I opened my vault and got Sylv's ring.

Meanwhile, what was my main at the time still doesn't have Dom chest

And I think he has around 15-20 Sylv kills across normal and heroic

I need to just power down and grind my Vault/CoS keys. There's not many up as Alliance though.

[limber lion]

I did vault for around 7 hours straight yesterday

Not a fun experience

Only saw one trinket during those 7 hours

[timid cloud]

I’m free.

I did it, my boys.

I acquired the Faulty.

[spice spire]

[onyx crane]

the faulty?

[limber lion]

[onyx crane]

faulty towers?

[timid cloud]

Now to grind ring & faulty on my 2nd rogue, & my Ret Paladin, & my Monk...my Demon Hunter & my Survival Hunter...

[spice spire]

I know you’re lying

Because you said you have a survival hunter

[timid cloud]

Who said I was lying?

[onyx crane]

man

[timid cloud]

[onyx crane]

I thoguht jarl would stop throwing axes when in melee range

[timid cloud]

[onyx crane]

it's quite hard to keep em all stacked and following you

if I don't get my MT today... :C

[stark ravine]

!plater

[alpine latch]

I hate you, but congrats ❤️

[gusty mirage]

you can have my faulty cev

[spice spire]

Are you looking for recommendations?

[slow marsh]

You can Cev my faulty have

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage

What a name

[gusty mirage]

ty

what I lack in skill I make up in bad jokes/puns

[stark ravine]

I was looking for Cev's, but found it ty! 😄

[alpine latch]

I run Cev's plater with a few addons

[spice spire]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[alpine latch]

It works pretty damn well

[spice spire]

Yep it’s easy to google

Because it’s a great profile

[stark ravine]

Indeed 😄 haha

[gusty mirage]

[stark ravine]

habid to always use the commands here before google

[spice spire]

Yeah no worries. That’s why I was making sure

I don’t just have a link to his plater profile saved, I’m not that much of a weirdo

[alpine latch]

All of the addons I run are more for me. Name shortener, mob percentages, etc.

Ohhh, I'm just looking at the Sims in the pins

We're losing damage this tier? lol

I guess Dom sockets really are just that strong

Oh nvm, that's without a legendary it looks like

[limber lion]

I mean even with bis legendaries it's looking around 12k

But that does not take into account actual gear upgrades we get with the new tier

[alpine latch]

Yeah, which is about where we are now

[limber lion]

We will get more dps with ilvl

[alpine latch]

Well, the top of us are now

[limber lion]

But it's not gonna be too too much

[alpine latch]

I'm still 11k

[onyx crane]

god I hate assa mage tower so much

[alpine latch]

I'm hardstuck at 11k

[limber lion]

Like those sims are done with 252/259 gear

So it's not exactly accurate and the profiles/apl haven't been perfected yet because we're not 100% sure of the numbers

or whether or not the bug stays

and so on

[alpine latch]

Sure

[limber lion]

Can't really sim gear we don't know anything about yet :P

[alpine latch]

It's interesting to see that the set bonus is about the same strength as Dom sockets, though.

It doesn't seem like we're gaining much power

Sure we'll gain some

[limber lion]

Yeh, tier set + double lege that is

[alpine latch]

yeah

What's making Necro seem so strong on dslice?

Does SBS do extra damage with the 4pc?