assassination

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

And you think that’s better?

[slow marsh]

No

[dawn ivy]

wait guys scar is in this discord

HIDE EVERYTHING

[arctic walrus]

@strange python what's power if it's not meant to be borrowed

[balmy condor]

He already knows

[slow marsh]

It's almost like he posted it or something

[balmy condor]

You think he doesn’t have numbers

[gusty mirage]

The man designed the fucking thing boys

[strange python]

anyone with brain can probably tell that 100% increase on bleeds and poisons is a pretty insane effect lol

[slow marsh]

It's what people initially thought the 4p did

[strange python]

I saw that and instantly thought "Woah that sounds really really strong"

[dawn ivy]

devs dont do sims guys he doesnt know nuffin

[versed mica]

I mean it's not if bleeds and poisons do shit damage

[strange python]

bro

[fleet anchor]

Hide the sims

[balmy condor]

I can’t wait for spec channel degeneracy

It’s already begun

A Christmas miracle

[slow marsh]

I can't wait to see sepsis inside of shiv

[limber lion]

I'm actually hyped for 9.2 now, fuck

[gusty mirage]

It’ll be a nice change from the MT degeneracy

[fleet anchor]

Oh, I did not make it work with Sepsis

whoops

[dawn ivy]

oh no....anyways

[gusty mirage]

Nah it’s fine let sepsis die

[balmy condor]

That’s fine no one cares

[slow marsh]

[dawn ivy]

^^^^^

[gusty mirage]

Ignore NF exists ty

[dawn ivy]

yeah we dont need nf sims

[limber lion]

100% damage increase on sepsis, probs still bad

[dawn ivy]

dont waste your time LOL

[limber lion]

Sadge

[dawn ivy]

nf soulbinds are balanced guys trust

[slow marsh]

I'm pretty sure even if sepsis did literally 50k damage people still would ignore it

[limber lion]

Negative.

We're dps whores all of us

Let's not pretend

[slow marsh]

True

[dawn ivy]

they should remove the stealth bullshit with it

[slow marsh]

K try now

[dawn ivy]

and just make ti do 500k

[gusty mirage]

Add this to the 2pc: (Except for sepsis, we have it increase sepsis damage by 1000% for the 3 people still playing night fae)

[urban thistle]

And you don't even have a brain

[strange python]

exactly

[slow marsh]

Well sepsis condie

[limber lion]

[versed mica]

Whi would ever share a covenant with a mothbaby

[fleet anchor]

Not gonna lie

[slow marsh]

Already super buffs sepsis + WPS+ 2p

[fleet anchor]

It still bothers me Sepsis doesn't work with Mastery

When it's obviously supposed to be poison damage

[gusty mirage]

Genuine question: Does it bother you that sepsis even made it live?

[limber lion]

It still bothers me that the stealth effect is a thing

[slow marsh]

It bothers me sepsis isn't a 1min cd

[limber lion]

Because it's literally useless

[gusty mirage]

Because it’s such an awkward ability lmao

[strange python]

Sepsis is a really trash tier spell lol

[limber lion]

Sepsis was great for us when it restealthed

[balmy condor]

But 45 second vendetta lines up with sepsis

[urban thistle]

Don't forget slaughter poison

[fleet anchor]

But Sepsis does work with Shiv so I'm gonna assume this works with the AoE shiv too

[strange python]

probably one of the worst covenant spells ever

[limber lion]

Too bad too many whiny boys in the chat got it nerfed

[slow marsh]

Imagine they make sepsis 1min cd and fix the stealth ability to proc stealth talents

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-dare-dont-dont-do-it-the-office-michael-scott-gif-14178027

[urban thistle]

except now it literally rips you out of stealth lmaooo

[limber lion]

Yeh, very poggers

Hate it

[fleet anchor]

tbf it had a really odd positive feedback loop with Shadowdust that could have been omega busted

[strange python]

would have been sick build

[versed mica]

As a pvper I was fine with slaughter if it did more damage than normal poisons

[urban thistle]

i really wanted to play shadowdust + MA sepsis

[limber lion]

We love to see it.

[versed mica]

But it did the exact same damage as shadow

[urban thistle]

but they ended up not letting us do 2 baseline legendaries

and that version of sepsis didn't make it to live anyway

[balmy condor]

Zeph planning the long con

[slow marsh]

So now we wait for deathspike + sepsis reworks or what

[strange python]

good one

[fleet anchor]

Ok fixed the Sepsis thing just for science

Until we find out otherwise

[slow marsh]

FOR SCIENCE 🧪

[limber lion]

Make sure to equip septic shock

[gusty mirage]

Koji unknowingly giving Cev some serious hopium

[urban thistle]

now make sepsis benefit from mastery and sim niya

[gusty mirage]

[fleet anchor]

I do enjoy the fact that Shiv, Zoldyck, Mastery, and Dashing all have totally different poison/nature whitelists

[urban thistle]

yea it's pretty absurd lmao

[strange python]

you guys huff more copium than me in here jesus

[limber lion]

It's the capitalisation of the p

[dawn ivy]

Poisons/poisons/poisons

[fleet anchor]

lol

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/care-to-elaborate-lauren-german-chloe-decker-lucifer-please-explain-gif-17390851

[dawn ivy]

Poisons

[strange python]

poissons

🐟

[dawn ivy]

Poisons

[hollow river]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-on-rogue-tier-set-feedback-and-upcoming-changes-coming-in-patch-9-2-325352

[slow marsh]

Let's get that crit mastery profile with the new tier tho

[hollow river]

poisons

[slow marsh]

Hi welcome to the party

Nice of you to join us finally

[hollow river]

nonono

the party has just arrived

🙂

[balmy condor]

If the party just arrived why are the pins already updated

[hollow river]

is it still January before we get to test it?

[balmy condor]

And the sims already run

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

[dawn ivy]

yeah sadge

still gotta play sub for raidtesting

[slow marsh]

I prefer it that way

[fleet anchor]

Party is over, time to go hype up Outlaw now

[obtuse robin]

still waiting for sepsis sim then its complete

[limber lion]

Yuk

[dawn ivy]

yeah outlaw sounds kinda cool

[slow marsh]

I don't want to play the omega strong build knowing it's getting nerfed

[bronze pike]

arg

[fleet anchor]

pewpew

[hollow river]

post sims

[dawn ivy]

that greenskin combo they mention in the bluepost sounds fun

[fleet anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-guns-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-17984271

[balmy condor]

Not my sim, koji sim, and they’re all local

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-pirate-cat-costume-gif-5875579

[dawn ivy]

bte into big ps in bte into big ps

[limber lion]

Waiting for Mystlers sim robot to tell me what to do

[slow marsh]

Yep

[dawn ivy]

kinda sucks the BTE buff almost certainly overwrites

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Herodamage combinator

[bronze pike]

atleast the bte is actually free this time

[balmy condor]

And then we update shiv apl

And the combinator weeps

[gusty mirage]

csv file so big you won’t know what to do with it

[bronze pike]

no cp pooling, no energy cost, just a 6cp bte baked in pistol shot

[limber lion]

Robot goes

[fleet anchor]

Just waiting for all the ideas on how we should 200 IQ Shiv

"Nah still cast on CD fam"

[deft vault]

hold up the 2pc works on poison too now

[balmy condor]

True

[scarlet raven]

Man I had to double check this was the assasination channel

[fleet anchor]

We might update how everything else gets cast AROUND Shiv lol

But that's a different issue

[limber lion]

Such a massive cd now

[gusty mirage]

Especially on CD now

[fleet anchor]

This is even more on CD

[dawn ivy]

oh yeah always on cd now

but the thing is

if we got ct

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

[slow marsh]

Hard cd now to make it in time for 50s vendetta

[fleet anchor]

Don't wanna waste a second of this buff lol

pewpew

[balmy condor]

Remove the hold 12 seconds for vendetta

[fleet anchor]

It's possible

[limber lion]

CT - Shiv everytime

[dawn ivy]

i feel like our envenom uptime is gonna suffer

[fleet anchor]

That's definitely worth checking

[balmy condor]

It won’t

[fleet anchor]

Envenom uptime will only go down with CT

[slow marsh]

CT when shiv id coming up

[fleet anchor]

With non-CT it's about the same

[gusty mirage]

Wtf are you going to do in between vendettas?

[dawn ivy]

im assuming with CT

[slow marsh]

CT

[fleet anchor]

Still lots of Envenoms being cast

[dawn ivy]

CT will be cringe

[slow marsh]

Ofc it will

[urban thistle]

I really just don't see how anything other than downtime that would make you want to delay a 9 second buff on a 25 second CD

[fleet anchor]

But CT is gonna omega pump in AoE now with the AoE Shiv

[urban thistle]

with duskwalkers would you do 75 second intervals on vendetta and flag just to line up nicely with shiv?

[limber lion]

[urban thistle]

or do 30 second intervals on shiv

[gusty mirage]

Assassination is going to be the aoe spec now

[slow marsh]

Ye until we realize all the adds are already dead to hunter + ww

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

CT has to tick to do meaningfuldamage

[dawn ivy]

@balmy condor DO SIMS ON WHEN TO SPAM CT NOW

SURELY ITS DIFFERENT NOW

[gusty mirage]

Paging @marble hemlock

You were right all along old man

You knew the light before we did

[slow marsh]

Oxi calling someone old

[balmy condor]

I can’t wait to spend another 30 hours optimizing dslice for tier set

[gusty mirage]

Seli’s older than me

[fleet anchor]

Subterfuge + 2nd MA lego + CT + Shiv opener in AoE?

[limber lion]

You definitely want Shiv for every Vend window and right after Vend again on the buffed dots, currently it holds it for max 12s.

[fleet anchor]

😛

[dawn ivy]

dont give me hopium

[gusty mirage]

I can’t wait to offer to help and you give me crayons and a coloring book to sit in the corner with

[urban thistle]

i know it currently holds for 12, but i mean with the tier set

[spark scaffold]

So your first cast in vendetta should be shiv basicly

[fleet anchor]

May be worth looking at but one of the few advantages of an Exsang mechanic is fitting into damage windows

[limber lion]

Yeh we'll have to play around it and see.

Either holding vend or shiv

[fleet anchor]

So you don't really want your Shiv not to overlap with Vendetta

[balmy condor]

Every programmer needs a rubber duck to talk to

[fleet anchor]

But as long as it gets in Vendetta fully it shouldn't matter when

Start or end doesn't matter

[spark scaffold]

If your first cast is shiv you get it 5 seconds after it expires on the buffed dots

[slow marsh]

But with dusk holding vend is worse

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

I do think that getting a second Shiv on the buffed up dots after Vend could be the play though

Those are fully juiced up snapshot bleeds

[fleet anchor]

That's plausible if they keep the overhang

[spark scaffold]

Assuming you will refresh dots at the end of vendetta

[urban thistle]

For sure. The main thing I'm thinking about is if you shiv at the start of vendetta and right after it, then hold until your next vendetta, assuming around a 65 second interval from duskwalkers. Or if you shiv 3 times per vendetta, and hold flag/vendetta until 75 second intervals to line up with the 3rd shiv

[fleet anchor]

Will need to look at the timing windows to see what the offset ends up being

[steep torrent]

Funny thing is, when you will have 2 piece from the raid, bot not 4p yet, your shiv will be a bigger CD then vendetta

[slow marsh]

I think as long as you shiv on cd then it'll naturally line up for 2 shiv's on vendetta bleeds

[limber lion]

Yeh, who knows. Will habe to sim around and see which is best

[slow marsh]

If you vendetta on cd as well

[limber lion]

God I love this

Actual content

[gusty mirage]

I mean it already kinda is

[limber lion]

Fuck yes

[twilit python]

sin aoe sounds insane now actually

[slow marsh]

Obed is kinda the weird one now

[twilit python]

well probably not insane

but significantly stronger

[slow marsh]

Er flag

[steep torrent]

4p is working with necrolord?

[limber lion]

Should do, doesn't yet

[gusty mirage]

It should, that’s the plan at least

[spark scaffold]

sounds insane compared to what we're used to

[slow marsh]

Necro in 9.2 for m+ looking fine

Af

[twilit python]

ye

[limber lion]

Yeh

[keen mist]

[twilit python]

subt garrotes + ct with shiv sounds like it pumps

[gusty mirage]

Welp back into torgies farming renown

[urban thistle]

Don't tell musclebrah

it's fkin ovah

[slow marsh]

Getting that kyrian up or what

[fleet anchor]

I mean this is a pretty huge increase to DungeonSlice DPS

[limber lion]

Hey you're the guy who replaced me

[obtuse robin]

he is a mage main now nobdy cares

[fleet anchor]

Like for example

[gusty mirage]

What’s a kyrian

[fleet anchor]

For ST sims

Our DPS basically goes slightly higher than what we have now

For DS sims

Out DPS goes like...

30% higher than now lol

But that's assuming the 2pc stays how it is, but it'll certainly change to some degree

[slow marsh]

Ye

[fleet anchor]

Either way the design is good for our AoE

[urban thistle]

yea the design is great

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

I love it

[bronze pike]

ya sin tier set is in a nice place

[slow marsh]

I'm v happy they listened to the feedback about the design

[gusty mirage]

Meanwhile outlaw still capped

[bronze pike]

2pc is easily tuneable

[gusty mirage]

[umbral rapids]

Bruh

[slow marsh]

.

[urban thistle]

wht the

[strange python]

ye this sets pretty dope

[bronze pike]

you wont be laughing when i vomit 10000000004569 bullets into dungeon mobs

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-bang-bang-bang-shoot-gif-17986214

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-shotgun-dancing-court-mayhem-disorder-gif-8017938

outlaw

[urban thistle]

it's kinda funny, this 2 piece makes sin play a lot like sub does

1 minute CDs with flag/vendetta, with 30(25) second half CD intervals with shiv

[umbral rapids]

How so

[urban thistle]

instead of flag with every 2nd symbols

[umbral rapids]

Wasn’t that already the case?

[urban thistle]

no? assassination was much more of an "always on" spec, neither vendetta nor shiv windows were large bursts, you just did the rotation and maintained envenom buff for winds damage, and you used 5 ish shivs per vendetta

instead of alternating shiv with vendetta/shiv without vendetta

like sub does with symbols and flag

[strange python]

yea you're basically just a "do winds spec"

[umbral rapids]

Oh it makes your cds better sure

But CD usage wise idk same deal.

[urban thistle]

yea but i mean it specifically makes it a 30 second half CD 1 minute full CD spec

[umbral rapids]

Yeah

[urban thistle]

although it's also possible that you delay vendetta and flag for 75 second intervals to pair with every 3rd shiv

depends on how low the intervals get from duskwalkers and obedience

[sand sigil]

if no dbl leggo w/ new changes we still playing doom ya?

only dusk w obed + dusk? or no

[limber lion]

Probs Dusk every time.

4pc is loaded

But who knows honestly.

[urban thistle]

that exact question should be simmable tomorrow

once the nightly build goes through

[gusty mirage]

Welcome back to assassination James

We’ve missed you

[slow marsh]

Lmao

[fleet anchor]

yeah I dunno I didn't look at single leggo setups just double

[limber lion]

Koji when Sepsis sim

[gusty mirage]

Also thanks for your pov vid on sylv, it helped me prep for my kill

[slow marsh]

I think that it's still obed going into 9.2 without any tier probs

[limber lion]

Np

[fleet anchor]

lol I fixed it but not running another big sim locally tonight

Too sloooow

[limber lion]

:'( I'll be waiting

[gusty mirage]

Just build a server rack at your house just for simming Koji

[limber lion]

Pls.

[gusty mirage]

We’ll collect community donations to pay for it

[limber lion]

[strange python]

assa players

slow rotation

slow reactions to news

slow everything

[slow marsh]

He's yellow tho

[clear shadow]

why u bully me

[sand sigil]

🙂

[clear shadow]

u are red go play dk

[gusty mirage]

The fish we throw on our keyboard can’t tell you news updates

[arctic hare]

I only now just looked at the set bonus

Jesus

That thing is a monster and I love it

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor you need to bold underline the will get nerfed part

[umbral rapids]

lol

[drifting cloud]

maybe make it its own pin

[arctic hare]

Oh I know that it’ll get nerfed

[umbral rapids]

Let people be excited for a bit

[arctic hare]

But its still really nice to see that

[balmy condor]

Can do

[umbral rapids]

The design is nice

[arctic hare]

Oh yeah

[fleet anchor]

Just please don't spam the thread later with "omg u nerfed us to the ground we were so great on ptr"

[slow marsh]

Ye the design is the important part for sure

[umbral rapids]

LOL

[arctic hare]

I wonder how major a 50% increase would be.

[limber lion]

I hope it gets nerfed before it hits ptr

[arctic hare]

That is, instead of 100%

[slow marsh]

Srz

[oak sky]

holy you guys are popping off

im hype

[sand sigil]

well

wait

we could band together like the moonkins

[fleet anchor]

Balance Druids gonna be all like "but see, this is compensation for the fact that Mages get a good second legendary so this set bonus is perfectly balanced"

[limber lion]

Waiting

[sand sigil]

and try and play it off like its no big deal

and see if we can stall out until mythic

[oak sky]

dude sin rogue sucks

our tier

garb

[arctic hare]

lol

[oak sky]

still

after all the work scarizard put in

[slow marsh]

I thought we did that with obedience and it didn't work

[fleet anchor]

BUT WARLOCKS

BUT MAGES

[umbral rapids]

Lmao

[oak sky]

nah we're too ethical @slow marsh

[gusty mirage]

James is onto something here guys

[umbral rapids]

Agreed

[fleet anchor]

If you say "but Warlocks" enough maybe people will listen

[oak sky]

someone call up tettles we need some sandbag coaching

[drifting cloud]

echo stalled it out so long they even got wf without going venthyr

[slow marsh]

Truuuu mega sandbag it

[oak sky]

ok back to reclear good luck keeping us op

[fleet anchor]

Whispyr is just gonna start deleting random APL lines when running sims

[slow marsh]

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

Gl on the loot my friend

[slow marsh]

Make all Sims play BS/Vigor

[urban thistle]

Where are your local sub sims, then?

[oak sky]

@gusty mirage i got sylv ring thats it basically

[limber lion]

Assa doing 9k dps with tier set, pls buff

[balmy condor]

@drifting cloud better?

[gusty mirage]

Nice dude I got benched for sylv

[oak sky]

fuck....

[strange python]

I wasn't talking about the sims 😦

[slow marsh]

100% bleed damage is what we needed baseline we need more buffs plz

[drifting cloud]

[manic harness]

Apparently Sub channel is dead

Do I need to use any options on Raidbots to ensure that MDT is being accounted for in sims?

[strange python]

It was some dude posting the feedback post like 1.5 hours after the fact

[slow marsh]

#buffassassination

[balmy condor]

That what is being accounted for?

[manic harness]

Mad Duke's Tea

[limber lion]

Method Dungeon Tools

[balmy condor]

It’s accounted for

Averages out the 4 buffs

[urban thistle]

Mythic Dungeon Tinvitational

[manic harness]

Okay

I've fallen into this Discord's trap of using TOO MANY FUCKING uhh

shortened letters

to mean words

I forgot the word

[slow marsh]

Abbreviations

[manic harness]

yes that's it

[slow marsh]

Acronyms

[arctic hare]

lol

[umbral rapids]

And apparently not being able to type out sentences in one message

[balmy condor]

shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit
If you want to sim only crit

[manic harness]

No I just thought it was weird that Theotar is still outsimming Nadja for me, but I wasn't sure if I needed to enable an option in Raidbots or something like that

[limber lion]

You say that but you said MDT instead of tea.

[manic harness]

I learned from the best, Whispyr and Foreverguy

[limber lion]

Theo good

Nadja bad

Simple

[manic harness]

Okay, I'll try it out

[gusty mirage]

Nadjia not bad, Theo just better

[umbral rapids]

Why shouldn’t it out sim it ?

[dawn ivy]

nadjia BAD

[limber lion]

Anything that's not best

[umbral rapids]

What’s the problem ?

[limber lion]

Isnbad

[balmy condor]

Says the guy running nadjia on sylv

[gusty mirage]

Don’t talk about my girl like that

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

I was gonna say

[limber lion]

Don't tell em

[slow marsh]

The nadjia preacher

Say nadjia bad

[gusty mirage]

Cev’s secretly a fatal flaw enjoyer

[balmy condor]

Ceverion more like clownion

[drifting cloud]

cev literally sleeps 3h a day just so he can shitpost here more

thats dedication

[gusty mirage]

Man’s a legend

[storm forum]

im proging sylv this week, am I swapping to nadjia?

[slow marsh]

No

[gusty mirage]

Play Theo

[dawn ivy]

do it coward

[limber lion]

Didn't sleep at all today, we out here grindin

[bronze pike]

Kleia is best sl waifu

[limber lion]

This 4h train ride is killing me

[bronze pike]

I will not elaborate further

[slow marsh]

[storm forum]

Cev tell me to play nadjia

[gusty mirage]

I’m in this picture and I don’t like it

[limber lion]

Just play Theo honestly

Nadja is good for things

[slow marsh]

No this is kyrian sin enjoyers

[limber lion]

But Theo is more consistent generally

[drifting cloud]

token better for prog aswell

[storm forum]

pls tell me nadjia is better so i dont look a dumbass when i forget to swap to theo after swapping covs

[gusty mirage]

Ye it does a nice chunk of healing

[limber lion]

Eww imagine caring about defensive traits

Yuk

[glass tulip]

theo only sims +60 with mfd for me

so no theo gaming

[manic harness]

Oh wait

[dawn ivy]

boys boys boys

[limber lion]

"only 60"

[dawn ivy]

the 60 avoidance

[slow marsh]

Only

[drifting cloud]

they defend other people not us immortal frost set gamers

[gusty mirage]

+60 dps is still a gain

Lmao

[limber lion]

60 is massive

[manic harness]

Theo is 3 potency conduits?

[limber lion]

Yes

[storm forum]

60 avoidance? 60 SPEED

[slow marsh]

More consistent and only +60

[manic harness]

No wonder, I'd always only have 2 selected

[glass tulip]

60 aint worth it

[manic harness]

Thank you guys

[gusty mirage]

Didn’t you farm the cos ring????

[slow marsh]

Not worth it when it's easier to use and more consistent

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Hmmm

[drifting cloud]

ah the classic this number isnt worth but this basically identical numer is worth

[glass tulip]

equipping ring is not the same as change in playstyle

[gusty mirage]

I’m sorry?

[drifting cloud]

[slow marsh]

Change in playstyle

[umbral rapids]

🤔

[gusty mirage]

Pls repeat that for me but slower

[deft vault]

theotar doesnt change much lmao

[slow marsh]

Have I entered the twilight zone

[glass tulip]

LIke, y'all can clown me but I'm gonna play what I am comfortable with / like which is vigor nadj

[limber lion]

much

More like anything

[slow marsh]

VIGOR

[storm forum]

theotar changes my gameplay immensely by making me want to log in for <2 minutes every hour to fish for crit tea

[gusty mirage]

Bro wrong year

[limber lion]

Literally nothing changes, just go for it

[umbral rapids]

Fax

[deft vault]

@limber lion standing in the shade and thats pretty much it ?

[slow marsh]

I'm dead

[limber lion]

Yup

[gusty mirage]

That was December 2020’s discussion @slow marsh

[glass tulip]

❌

no changes here

[slow marsh]

No changes since 2020 tru

[umbral rapids]

Standing under an umbrella?

Confusion

[limber lion]

Don't think about it too hard

If it procs, it procs

[glass tulip]

[limber lion]

If not, tough luck

[glass tulip]

bruh

[umbral rapids]

Basically

[storm forum]

i legit move out of the umbrella sometimes cause i think its a veil cast

[balmy condor]

Guys with the niya burrs nerfs do we play triple potency now

[umbral rapids]

Lmao

[limber lion]

Oh fuck my umbrella procd what to do im panicking pls my rotation is getting completely destroyed now i dont know what to do

[drifting cloud]

just dont track the proc and have graphics on 1

[glass tulip]

I was referring to mfd you assholes lol

[limber lion]

You play mfd on both....

[slow marsh]

Who wants 500 mastery for standing in a huge back circle anyways

[balmy condor]

Guys does this 8% aura buff make us viable

[limber lion]

Always mfd

[glass tulip]

nah, I aint about that life

[storm forum]

how does haste affecting our DoTs change the spec?

[slow marsh]

Not about that damage life

[balmy condor]

On what fight time do I play guardian over bote?

[gusty mirage]

We’ve went back in time

[balmy condor]

When do I play CT with expedient build?

[glass tulip]

I played mfd one raid night, performed worse than I would normally, wont go back for now

no reason to

[balmy condor]

Is razer coral that good?

[drifting cloud]

good, but you dont have to tell us 5 times

[gusty mirage]

Nah trash give it here

[drifting cloud]

we dont actually care

[slow marsh]

Should I save coral for ink proc or pop on cd

[balmy condor]

Do I play CT for opulence?

[dawn ivy]

is sharpened blades really BiS for ST?

[limber lion]

Do we use fok in st to get the last combo point?

[balmy condor]

Where do I get vendetta artifacts

[dawn ivy]

Does sin have an iron artifact?

[drifting cloud]

sec checking my opulence logs

[oak sky]

[slow marsh]

Should I envenom to consume deadly or just keep evising

[gusty mirage]

We’ve broken whispyr

[storm forum]

idk what this is

[gusty mirage]

Good job guys

[drifting cloud]

holy shit my opulence logs are trash

[slow marsh]

I'm just glad it wasn't me this time

[limber lion]

[drifting cloud]

41% med

😩

[limber lion]

Dratnos has a video on his r1 assa opulence kill

Might wanna check that out

Learn a thing or two

[drifting cloud]

ty will do

[limber lion]

Gl

[gusty mirage]

Hey I was curious if it’s worth playing font of power in m+ as assa

[limber lion]

Delete that shit

Font of power the worst trinket in existence

[gusty mirage]

Also how do I get my tank to respect my restealths???

[drifting cloud]

no the charging animation was sick

[slow marsh]

Dratnos initial take on sin tier bonus was actually from the future

[twilit hollow]

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion if I play BS/Vigor how do I stop being last on the dps meters?

[drifting cloud]

you swap to ep/deeper

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

Swap to sub

[drifting cloud]

if you want to play mp on some bosses you should ask vel hes the expert

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

Oh God the MP viable? Inc

[limber lion]

externals

[gusty mirage]

How many tokens do I need to convince one of y’all to reroll simp Druid for me?

[bleak spoke]

When I play MP I hope I’ll be able to convince my raid to refer to me only as “the Master Poisoner” how likely is this

[slow marsh]

I already got the name pickwd out fam

[gusty mirage]

True

[storm forum]

when was the last time MP was viable? legion?

[slow marsh]

for Mage tower

[storm forum]

i

cant type

someone tell me to go to sleep

[gusty mirage]

Bro I barely remember 9.0

[slow marsh]

Go to sleep

[storm forum]

FUCK YOUI

ok

[gusty mirage]

That escalated quickly

[red plaza]

Pvp ;P

[slow marsh]

it's ok they got the ligma it usually causes quick escalations

[gusty mirage]

What’s ligma

[pallid bough]

Mage tower

[slow marsh]

https://www.dictionary.com/e/pop-culture/ligma/

[gusty mirage]

[pallid bough]

Lick ma balls

[limber lion]

7.3 yeh

[gusty mirage]

You offering or what?

[pallid bough]

Ya

Meet me at the Walmart parking lot

[gusty mirage]

See you in 15

[storm forum]

back when our mastery was good

[slow marsh]

mastery about to be good again bet

[storm forum]

fold

[slow marsh]

weak

[dense herald]

Does anyone know if there’s a specific person who writes all the rogue feedback or works on the rogue changes (ie these recent tier set changes)

[slow marsh]

me

[limber lion]

Back when we built our build around an overpowered, awful artifact trait.

[dense herald]

I’ve played multiple classes and I’ve never seen such good open communication and quick acting on feedback for a class

[storm forum]

i miss kingsbane

[limber lion]

Maybe

[storm forum]

this is pretty new to this tier i think

[limber lion]

We're definitely in a good spot and lucky.

[slow marsh]

yeah the homie lurks in here but we will not point him out because we are rogue bruddahs

[limber lion]

Hasn't been the case previously

[drifting cloud]

he said hell nerf rogues for 1% for every ping he gets

[dense herald]

He genuinely needs to be praised, it is honestly really impressive. It’s amazing to hear their reasoning and thought processes behind changes

We need this bloke working on other classes

[limber lion]

He does

[slow marsh]

He does work on another class i think

[limber lion]

2 others

Anyways

[slow marsh]

We aren't even his first choice and is still good to us

[limber lion]

There's a bunch of devs actively seeking feedback on tier sets

[dense herald]

(I also have no idea if these changes are good or not since I’m new to rogue but still.. they seem to target feedback from what I’ve seen here)

[limber lion]

Yeh, they're great changes

We're happy

[umbral rapids]

[bronze pike]

Ya hecka good changes

I like this more vocal dev staff

[manic harness]

do you guys also think that Theotar is also BIS for Assassination as well?

or more consistent?

[glass tulip]

according to sims, yes

[balmy condor]

Both

[manic harness]

Oh, Dashing finally outsimming Obedience for me now

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2jtAndcudV3t1U8Shr75vK

Still wants me running Nadja though

[balmy condor]

Crit tea would win

[timid cloud]

BS/DS?!??!

[oak sky]

simming for guardian

🙏

[timid cloud]

I have like 5 levels of my sims...

With all combos of Nadjia, Theotar, Vigor, MFD, & Obedience.

[bleak sky]

wait blizz is watching us?

[slow marsh]

ye

[bleak sky]

they saw nothing

sims were manipulated

all photoshopped

[manic harness]

if anyone asks, I was at your house last night from 8 to 11

got it?!

[bleak sky]

yes.

[manic harness]

I knew I could trust you.

[slow marsh]

Sims weren't accounting for the natural -2000 dps due to not being able to pool properly

Waiting for EU to wake up and be hype

[twilit hollow]

@manic harness oh you got your countermeasure, grats, i was in one of your vaults earlier

[manic harness]

Malxo, yes, thank you

[cerulean nest]

oo thats a buff alright

[manic harness]

I actually got it several days ago but I kept running VOW/COS to help others get theirs while I grinded valor

[twilit hollow]

ohhh

I'm still searching

40 vaults deep

[manic harness]

You'll get it eventually bud!

[marble hemlock]

?

[hoary night]

EU is already hyped lol

[marble hemlock]

Oh you mean the new 2pc oxi? It's nice i guess. Nice bandaid anyway. Not a big fan of bandaid fixes. Not sure if it'll actually make assa more viable in m+ either, we still won't even be close to ww or mage or warrior burst aoe, and unless you run a more of less sustained aoe comp, i think you'd still rather have the sub rogue prio+st

I look at the bonus and see wits 2.0. an ability that fixes most of the issues the spec has in aoe, but overshadowing every other mechanic so much that it almost becomes boring because it is the only thing that matters and allows us to scale.
Very happy about the ongoing communication though, feels incredible to have someone take care of our sets that's invested and reading and engaging with feedback. That by itself makes the game more enjoyable, no matter what the set bonus ends up being.

[slow marsh]

I'm not that big of a fan of band aid fixes either but it was kind of apparent we were going to be getting a somewhat boring set bonus from the get go

[fallow otter]

[balmy condor]

This reads like a copypasta tbh

But I get the sentiment

[dawn ivy]

kinda thought the same lol

i kinda like the set, its gonna shake up our talents a little bit

thought idk about NS hype 🤮

[balmy condor]

NS?

[marble hemlock]

I think bandaid fixes for the last tier of the expansion are fine

[balmy condor]

NS stands for “No Shot”

Cause it ain’t happening

[dawn ivy]

yeah ive never been a fan of NS

[marble hemlock]

But obviously I'm not a big fan of temporary bonuses or rental powers being the sole reason a spec regains viability in a specific content type of environment

[dawn ivy]

subterfuge>MA>Venom Rush> NS

[balmy condor]

Venom rush?

That’s a hot take

[dawn ivy]

i just hate NS lmao

its never appealed to me

[marble hemlock]

Entire assa talent tree needs a rework

[dawn ivy]

^

[marble hemlock]

With the exception of the survivability row, every row in that tree has big problems

[shut garnet]

wouldnt that also mean the same thing for the other 2 specs?

[dawn ivy]

outlaw is almost fine

[marble hemlock]

No

[dawn ivy]

but sin and sub have severely required talents

[marble hemlock]

Both outlaw and sub are fine. Sub talents need some numerical tuning and ES +1 SHD charge needs to be baseline, but beyond that sub is fine

[dawn ivy]

id say sub is a little worse off in REQUIRED talents than sin, but sin certinaly has alot of dead/boring talents that are basically placeholders

[umbral rapids]

Eeeh

[shut garnet]

making pb and/or ct baseline sounds pretty good

but what else is in raging needs of change?

[dawn ivy]

outlaw has multiple talents rows for throughput that are all fine

[marble hemlock]

most of the assa talents are big ol nothingburgers

[shut garnet]

like whats wrong with first 3 rows f ex?

[dawn ivy]

alacrity row

[shut garnet]

i suppose

[dawn ivy]

exsang literally never used, and venom rush has never been used once

[umbral rapids]

Alacrity

[dawn ivy]

hidden blades is a meme since inception

[marble hemlock]

ns vs subter vs ma is a whatever row. so is pb/ct/hb (in terms of raid/st viability)

[umbral rapids]

But yeah besides last 2 it’s fine i guess

[marble hemlock]

sure, you could say "on a fight with adds playing subterfuge over MA might give you a bit more dps" but is it actually a meaningful choice that will lead to a meaningful difference in dps?

[dawn ivy]

yeah MA row is boring af imo i wish theyd revamp it to actually make them give real through put and not an imaginary throughput increase

[shut garnet]

well it depends, is a meaningful difference in dps like a monk on 5T going from hitcombo to chiji?

[marble hemlock]

same applies to mfd/ds/vigor

[dawn ivy]

3 globals for 50% crit is so fuckin sad LOL

[shut garnet]

like what do u mean by meaningful dps diff

[marble hemlock]

something youll actually see on the meters in a 5min bossfight

not like

tripling your dps

but like

[dawn ivy]

multiple %

[marble hemlock]

being able to at least "notice" that you played different talents

[dawn ivy]

yeah

something that might effect your damage breakdown lol

[marble hemlock]

you can play subterfuge on soulrender and triple garrote the adds and even IF they live long enough, you wont be able to tell based on the damage distribution and overall dps, what talents someone played there

[umbral rapids]

How is that good Seli ?
My take is that I like talent rows that reward you adapting to the fight, like MA in this situation is good, Subt is good in this one etc

Idk if that’s what you mean

[marble hemlock]

but theyre not good

[shut garnet]

na seli’s right

[umbral rapids]

Oh I agree they’re not

That was just an example

[marble hemlock]

you can not play any of these talents and you will barely notice a difference in dps

[balmy condor]

That would be good if they made any difference

[umbral rapids]

Sure that’s what I meant.

[balmy condor]

The fact that MA sims equal to subterfuge

In dungeons

Is uh

[dawn ivy]

like try to think about how much damage you REALLY gain from 3 globals of 50% crit

[balmy condor]

Kind of lmao

[umbral rapids]

I’m with you on that

I think we mean the same thing

[marble hemlock]

you can leave 3 dps-talent rows in assa empty without any talent selected

and you probably wouldnt even lose 5% dps

[umbral rapids]

You know what I really like sub’s last row

I think the most out of the 3 specs

[dawn ivy]

when you look at other specs (not just rogue) final tree row, theyre normally massive rotational changing/CDR talents

and then sin has pb which is like 4% dmaage????

doesnt do anything

[umbral rapids]

Bruh outlaw plays blade rush and that’s it lol

[shut garnet]

then sin has CT that if u take for a fight like fatescribe u just dont use on ST cuz its a loss

[dawn ivy]

wrong

blade rush isnt the only choice in that row

[shut garnet]

is it not?

[dawn ivy]

we've seen killing spree used this expac

[fallow otter]

KS

Ye

[dawn ivy]

on multiple fights/m+

[umbral rapids]

I used it in 9.0 with MA in dungeons

[shut garnet]

ngl tho ultimately if they were gonna change something id like them to make some things baseline and rly crack down on reworking completely unused talents that just clog the tree atm

[umbral rapids]

This patch we really just play blade rush

[shut garnet]

ideally they just do 1 big rework going into next xpac which would be noce

[marble hemlock]

and lets be real, mp/ep/bs isnt really a meaningful row either

[dawn ivy]

^^^^

[fallow otter]

This isn't just a sin problem

[dawn ivy]

i think BS is awesome

wish it was a lkittle differen

but i love BS

[marble hemlock]

conceptually, sure

but its just not meaningful enough of a choice atm?

[shut garnet]

could make the argument that a first row shouldnt be the make or break dps wise as much as last 2, but ye

[dawn ivy]

I give MP a break because i know blizz adds talents to the early rows that are for lazy/new/bad players

[faint harness]

Premed is bad at what its doing, gloomblade is not a talent, nightstalker doesnt work with current design, subterfuge is a pvp talent if even that, vigor doesnt exist, mfd is very very bad for sub, dark shadow is both weak (low dmg amp) and doesnt work, alacrity is both bad and weird thematically, sec tech is awful

[marble hemlock]

meaningful choise is running ns+ds as a sub rogue, and getting fewer dances but more powerful ones. thats meaningful choice.

the fact it doesnt work rn

doesnt change the fact that theres actual meaning behind those choices

blindside is a good thing

but it suffers from the same issue

it just not tuned right

[umbral rapids]

The choice between master of shadow and tornado is pretty cool tbh

[marble hemlock]

and sub design space is massively hampered by the fact you cant not play enveloping

[faint harness]

Yea thats the only thing we ever change

[dawn ivy]

thats why i was sayin sub has more required tlaents (Imaigne playing sub without ES or shadow focus), but sin has more talents that are just fuckin worthless

hell even MoS in ST is kinda required

[faint harness]

Dark shadow is also bad tho

15% dmg amp on dance is not impressive

[marble hemlock]

thats what i meant with ns+ds

[umbral rapids]

I think seli is saying he wants that

[marble hemlock]

we still used to play

ns+dshadows in bfa for prio damage, for example

in keys

[faint harness]

Yea when the dance design was completely different

[marble hemlock]

yes

thats my point

[faint harness]

And it didnt have 15% baseline dmg

[marble hemlock]

conceptually the choices sub has are much more meaningful

[faint harness]

Idk i think assa has just as many useful talents as sub

[umbral rapids]

They don’t work tho

[marble hemlock]

they just arent meaningful rn, because +1 dance charge is basically required. bit of numbers fidgeting, and they are meaningful again

doesnt take much to make the sub talent tree an interesting one

[faint harness]

I swap 1 talent on 99% of content, not sure how thats fine in a talent context

[marble hemlock]

for that to be the case for assa, you need to remove like 6 talents and buff others by 200-500%

[umbral rapids]

Idk, if talents used could be different in different content that’d be cool

[shut garnet]

ye ngl i feel like saying the choice is there but is tuned badly is a bit misleading. technically they could just number tune HB/venom rush/BS/subt into playability in niche situations too

[marble hemlock]

only time assa swaps talents is when another one starts to sim higher

[faint harness]

Yea but you have subterfuge, MA, blindside, EP, PB and CT that can be used right? I think thats not as bad as you make it sound

[marble hemlock]

conceptually, sub has meaningful choice, its just hampered by ES +1 dance charge and some numbrs tuning being a bit off, but it offers opportunity for high and lowdance uptime gameplay which can be more sustained or more bursty depending on choice. other talents supplement that, or go in different directions with a prio/aoe focus over raw singletarget, for example

assa has... well

[dawn ivy]

they have similar problesm, sin has a choice in 100 useless talents so nothing matters in the end, and sub has multiple required talents on many rows so nothign matters in the end

[umbral rapids]

Coz sin has it worse doesn’t mean a spec that swaps one talent is better

[marble hemlock]

i really dont care about which spec has it worse

[umbral rapids]

I get that

[marble hemlock]

its not a competition that sub needs to win

so dunno why you guys are making it one

[faint harness]

I mean i agree that DS can work if they do like a complete overhaul of the talent or dance design

[marble hemlock]

b-b-but sub totally has it worse, baka!

[dawn ivy]

like if you look at sin, theres not a single talent that is required to play the class, but sub has 2-3 talents that make it playable because of how impactful they all are

[umbral rapids]

Nah i just feel like talents being good « conceptually » doesn’t do much to the actual gameplay

[faint harness]

Its because you downplay the need for work on the sub talents, and idk, i kinda feel like they need a lot of work

[drifting cloud]

I still remember that venthyr sub sim where you take 3 bad talents and you do like 30% less dmg

that just seems so insane

[shut garnet]

all 3 specs could definitely do with some reworks to talents and making things baseline

[umbral rapids]

All 36

kek

[burnt latch]

@shut garnet nerd

[drifting cloud]

on assa if you take everything except alac away do you even lose 30%

[umbral rapids]

(Okay no I’m exaggerating)

[shut garnet]

no point prioritising x y z when realistically these would be changes made going into next xpac so theyd likely happen at the same time

@burnt latch no u ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[faint harness]

Yea the talents are bad for almost every spec in this game in one way or another. Blizzard is more worried about creating dopamine machines that last 24 months at a time

[burnt latch]

[marble hemlock]

1st row is passive damage, passive damage or execute (which is nice conceptually but badly tuned rn)
2nd row is 3 talents around vanish, none of which are meaningful in a raid environment due to numbers tuning. only meaningful one is subterfuge because it allows for triple garrote in aoe, giving you a faster ramp
3rd row is 3 nothingburgers
4th row is great
5th row is great
6th row is 2 useless talents and a good one (which is passive again)
7th row is an ability that needs to be baseline, and 2 abiltiies that give you 2-3% damage, and are again just passive damage increases

[faint harness]

Blizzard like some to have just passive dmg

Cus its ”easy talents”

Which idk, seems to be a design goal of theirs

[marble hemlock]

and when i say "meaningful choices", then there really is none in assa. i cant just change my gameplay based on my talent choice. ill still press the same buttons in the same order, at most i change my damage distribution by 1-2% one way or another

[dawn ivy]

honestly alacrity is the vlosest talent sin has to a required talent

and thats not because of how good it is, but how bad the other two are

[shut garnet]

given which other 2 are in that row, might as well call it mandatory

[burnt latch]

Cheat death is the only required talent for sin prove me wrong

[dawn ivy]

exactly

[shut garnet]

cuz ur not under any circumstance taking exsang or vr lmao

[faint harness]

Yea i mean i get that dark shadow COULD offer more burst, but even in a perfect world where its played, its not like it would be insane, it’s 15% more than ES

[shut garnet]

maybe if ur on some 100% pi uptime crack for a meme log

[marble hemlock]

so if it was 25% instead of 15%

which is just numbrs tuning

it still wouldnt be a meaningful choice?

[limber lion]

It's honrstly both. Alacrity is likely the best talent we have in the entire tree.

[dawn ivy]

yeah

[faint harness]

Still needs another charge too

But ye

[marble hemlock]

idk how thats even worth debating. choosing between fewer but more powerful dances, or more regular but less impactful ones, is meaningful choice.

[faint harness]

No I agree

But it’s not even close to that arm

Atm

[marble hemlock]

yeah

cause ES is just

ridiculous

if it was just CDR

vs DS damage amp

would be a different story

but the +1 charge is just

[shut garnet]

yo dont say that instead of buffing DS they’ll just nerf ES

[marble hemlock]

required

[shut garnet]

[balmy condor]

Exsang is worse even with 120% gear haste and full pi uptime

[rain kettle]

hey guys, im having trouble hitting 1.2k dps on the mage tower challenge. I'm assuming its a skill issue, and not a gear issue but here is my gear regardless

https://gyazo.com/843db0bbb397557de4cd08ec83a9b0ca

[shut garnet]

LOL

[marble hemlock]

exsang shouldnt even exist, simply because it basically requires either subter or NS to even have a difference

[burnt latch]

Lies meev can prove that i once got a r1 parse with exsanq but log got corrupted

[faint harness]

Buff exsang

[burnt latch]

Exsanq is hidden meta

[balmy condor]

I don’t know what 90% of these items are, are they just old world for gem sockets?

[rain kettle]

yeah

[pallid bough]

Bro

[rain kettle]

like all SoO gear for sockets

[pallid bough]

your offhand is enchanted?

[limber lion]

Are you dying to the enrage?

[pallid bough]

I cant tell

from the shit

[balmy condor]

Trinkets probably need some help

Tbh

[faint harness]

What if they would slap like 100% more damage on the bleeds in exsang

[pallid bough]

no iron dragon is good

with the cog gems

[balmy condor]

Is it

[rain kettle]

i have

[pallid bough]

ya

[balmy condor]

I haven’t seen anyone use it

[pallid bough]

its big

because most people dont know

[marble hemlock]

it always needed smth like that

[rain kettle]

its got +12 gems in it

[pallid bough]

I would get Emerald Nightmare trinket

from first boss

btw

[rain kettle]

+24 haste and +12 verse

[burnt latch]

Does the gear scale up? Cuz ur running items below ilvl 50

[pallid bough]

its a 1 min cd

[burnt latch]

Dont know how that works

[balmy condor]

Then it’s probably not gear tbh

[pallid bough]

with haste static stat

[balmy condor]

You’re geared to the teeth

[rain kettle]

just making sure lol

[marble hemlock]

problem with exsang is that its only value is in giving you more unbuffed dot-ticks, and assa only having 1 way (vanish) to buff bleeds

[balmy condor]

That’s a ton of sockets

[limber lion]

Something like that could make it good. Bleeds in themselves are not strong enough to ever justify using the current iteration.

[shut garnet]

thing is exang feels like one of those talents that isnt as dependant on number tuning (unless ur buffing it by some insane multiplier or adding shit to it obvs) and more dependant on “scalling” and borrowed power. which just feels like dogshit

[rain kettle]

im a pvp andy so my rotation is not good i feel

thanks

[faint harness]

It should, but alacrity is also just ridiculous for assa. Mistake reintroducing it imo

[pallid bough]

@rain kettle get the pod trinket from Emerald Nightmare first boss, it is exception especially over badge

[shut garnet]

cuz if the borrowed power is on the level of corruption and ur running around with 80% unbuffed haste its all good

[balmy condor]

If it makes you feel better, pikaboo was using ambush

[shut garnet]

but the second it isnt, its unplayable

[rain kettle]

thanks ill give it a shot

XD

[pallid bough]

@rain kettle just do the first boss on Normal, Heroic and Mythic

its a 1 min cd

haste static stat

and gives you leech

and drops a pool

[dawn ivy]

never forget blizzard specificlaly mentioned a talent surrounding shiv/toxic blade and then just threw alacrity at us and ran

[pallid bough]

you stack all 3 of them together

[rain kettle]

ok yeah that sounds good

[pallid bough]

and then use that shit

[marble hemlock]

if you exsang a 20tick NS rupture, itll still only be 20ticks. just faster. only thing you actually gain, is that some of these ticks might be within another overlap of CDs, like with BoTE in BFA, and you get a few more unbuffed rupture ticks because you get to refresh it faster

[pallid bough]

it does BIG damage

like... stupid high damage

but could also be your talents tbh, what are you running with? @rain kettle

[limber lion]

I just honestly want to see a massive reduction in aura buffs and more buffs tailored toward bleed/poison damage, including a better talent tree. But, a man can dream, it's never gonna happen.

[pallid bough]

Cev didnt you retire bro

[limber lion]

Aura buffs are the laziest way to buff a spec up

[pallid bough]

smh

[rain kettle]

running the guide's talents

[umbral rapids]

That prob only happens in new xpac tbh

[limber lion]

Nah

[marble hemlock]

idk. i dont mind alacrity. i like the idea of us starting a bit slower, and as we continue attacking a target (or the same target) we start to deal more damage and do it faster

[rain kettle]

1/2/3/3/3/2/3

er

[pallid bough]

kk ya whisypr's guide is good

[limber lion]

Retired from omega tryhard hardcore raiding yes

[pallid bough]

ye

[rain kettle]

1/2/1/1/1/2/3

[shut garnet]

ye ngl hot take but thats whats at least slighly refreshing about the 4pc, not just slapping bleeds, pressing vendetta then ook ooking mut mut env for 20 seconds

[marble hemlock]

its just not tuned in a way that it really represents that idea

[faint harness]

Can you ever talent out of it tho

[limber lion]

No

[pallid bough]

so went from Method to top 20 WR, got it

[faint harness]

It’s an oppressive talent

[marble hemlock]

imo it should be stronger, longer duration, but reset on target swap, for example

[pallid bough]

[marble hemlock]

the reason you cant swap out of it

[rain kettle]

its just i went from one shotting the feral challenge to really struggling on this guy lol

[limber lion]

Eye of Command pog

[marble hemlock]

is cuz venomrush and exsang are both useless

[rain kettle]

but feral is my actual main so

[pallid bough]

triple bleed everything

if you arent making damage check, its because you have Sigryn cc'd all the time

you dont do that

[marble hemlock]

theres fight and dungeons where i loathe playing alacrity

[pallid bough]

you only interrupt her cast with blind

[marble hemlock]

i still do cuz the other 2 are basically 0dps

[pallid bough]

but reapply dots immediately

I had to do that

[balmy condor]

Ngl I don’t even think about alacrity

[rain kettle]

yeah i grab her after blind immediately

[marble hemlock]

i stopped giving a shit about it running out on sylv p2

[pallid bough]

hmm idk then

[balmy condor]

People were like yo during painsmith get cp on orbs for alacrity and I just like

Don’t care

[rain kettle]

like i have the mechanics down pretty much i just need to get my uptimes better i bet

[marble hemlock]

ye

[pallid bough]

I would have to watch it or something to understand what you are doing wrong then @rain kettle

[faint harness]

Venom rush should have been removed years ago

[pallid bough]

because it seems like you are doing everything correctly

esp if you follow Whisypr's guide

[marble hemlock]

its a set and forget talent, but not because its so good. it kinda isnt. its just the other choices are worse. but losing your alac isnt really a big dps loss either

[pallid bough]

and with cracked gear like that

[rain kettle]

im betting missing globals and bad uptimes

[dawn ivy]

venom rush should be like fucking 20 energy

[marble hemlock]

venom rush shouldve remained what it was

VW giving more energy

[pallid bough]

ahh

[limber lion]

Alacrity is a boring talent

[pallid bough]

^

[limber lion]

But VR is legitimately the worst designed talent in thw entire game

[pallid bough]

Alacrity on Sub rogue

[marble hemlock]

alacrity should be a pure st talent, that resets when you attack a different target

[limber lion]

It's so awful

It's the laziest thing ever

[shut garnet]

tied with chiji

[pallid bough]

WHO THOUGHT THAT ALACRITY SHOULD BE ON SUB

[shut garnet]

[pallid bough]

LIKE

IMAGINE

THAT THOUGHT PROCESS

[umbral rapids]

kek

[pallid bough]

Bro

replace Alacrity with Anticipation

god

or sorry

[limber lion]

Who thought that a talent which causes our mutilate to cost 8 less energy would br any good

[pallid bough]

that should be in Vigor row

Idk

some intern

[marble hemlock]

exsanguinates entire usefulness relies on other things that make it better, because by itself its a useless talent.