assassination

[clever kindle]

but I have ptsd

[viscid spear]

I stopped playing Combat back in Mists because Killing Spree would bug out in SoO so much

[south hollow]

does the trinket from vault of the wardens even exist?

[marble hemlock]

@gusty mirage

your first official action as CF

answer the man (or woman)

[soft shale]

it exists but evades you

its getting power to drop in 9.2 with leech

trust

[wooden perch]

is dashing scoundrel way better than obedience

in aoe fights

like soulrender

fatescribe etc

[soft shale]

not really

it does help with frost set to funnel

[limber lion]

I would just play Dashing on most fights.

[spice spire]

It does but best of luck receiving it

[wooden perch]

@limber lion why?

[limber lion]

Because it's better.

[wooden perch]

even 235vs262 tho

kek

[limber lion]

I mean

[wooden perch]

cinders are a wonderful system

[limber lion]

sim it

[wooden perch]

will do

[limber lion]

they are completely fine now

since you can just spam torghast

takes you an hour max

[wooden perch]

u can?

oh ok

noice

[limber lion]

yes

[wooden perch]

was out for 2 months

[gusty mirage]

Uncalled for

[marble hemlock]

is it?

[gusty mirage]

Why must you hurt me like this

[marble hemlock]

without pain there cant be happiness

[timid cloud]

The real debate here boys is.

Skirmish? Or Stats?

[balmy condor]

usually prefer stats

skirmish is much better on sub because it's shadow damage

but it's not too much of a gain on sin

[timid cloud]

I also forgot to roll on the extra mythicc chest for that reason.

I am a dum dum.

[drifting cloud]

padder!!

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

I havent checked in a while but it was a decent gain for assa aswell

dont think ive ever used stats this xpac in raid

[alpine latch]

Need me to handle your light work Whispyr?

Hey @drifting cloud, you're coming at my boy all wrong and I don't appreciate it. Do it again, I'll stab you in the face with a soldering iron.

[spice spire]

Ryler is very based in his take. Skirmish is goated

Do not hate on the big fragger Mr. Ryler

[alpine latch]

lol

[drifting cloud]

-20 I guess its a little closer thesedays

[alpine latch]

Stats is literally just 30 Agi, right?

It's not +30 to all stats is it?

[timid cloud]

Just Agi.

[alpine latch]

I should probably know that a year into the xpac

[spice spire]

Yeah skirmish is a very very small gain

It’s just whatever

[oak sky]

I just take stats because its better for aoe

[nimble tartan]

i miss sin

i cant wait to play some sin when its bis again whenever that may be

[lethal heart]

its good rn in raid

wdym

[slow marsh]

it's good but it's not necessarily bis

it's bis if you get externals but .....

[lethal heart]

you do comparable damage to other classes/specs

and if one spec/class gets lots of externals they're gonna skyrocket always

for example my guardian today, warlock is getting pis and im still top

and its really bad killtimer

[cerulean nest]

can I solo soak the KT thing with cloak?

[lethal heart]

• im making lots of mistakes probably

frost blast?

[marble hemlock]

But you're a gamer

[cerulean nest]

yeah

[lethal heart]

you can

but you will never get targeted by it

unless very late into fight when no healers/ranged dpsers are dead

[cerulean nest]

oh

[lethal heart]

it never targets melees

[lethal heart]

no im a definition of washed

play 3h/week

[marble hemlock]

Still gaming

[thorny pond]

Log on? You’re a gamer

[lethal heart]

dont think rogues can really compete as any spec on big aoe pad fights like soulrender

and even painsmith id imagine

people just gonna outpad you

kt noone cares, sylvanas you climb later on but aoe from arrows carries on from p1 and some of the p2 stuff too

you still do top/high st

[worthy heart]

Btw, endend up playing sub from 4th cause otherwise it would've been certain death, top bad i died to a cone knockback anyways xd

[misty holly]

Someone in my guild discord was saying how much damage Arcane Mage pumps into Sigryn challenge, so of course I popped over to Youtube to see an example. Found a video of someone beating it in 2:07 - very impressive!

But they only did 207k total damage....

and here I thought Ret Paladin only needing 300k was baby mode Sigryn

[civic yoke]

Say whaaaaat, I just did 206k and wasn't even close to half way i feel like O.o

[misty holly]

My kill showed 397k, so it's nearly half the health

Like nothing difficult happens in the fight until after 3:00 when you start getting ability overlaps to dodge

Arcane Mage gets to skip all that apparently.

[balmy condor]

the mage towers have different health/damage values for each spec

[bleak sky]

competing with spriests on sylv is ROUGH

[oak sky]

Nah

Spriest isnt tuned that insane this tier

[drifting cloud]

spriests do stuff on sylv?

[bleak sky]

idk our spriests are gamers

[balmy condor]

my spriest is also a gamer

[oak sky]

Mine is ok but im a bigger gamer

[bleak sky]

I ain't touching them

[spice spire]

Doesn’t your spriest say gamer words whisp

Smdh

[balmy condor]

that was my boomkin

[spice spire]

Ahhh

[nimble tartan]

yikes…

thats a quick LOB

[spice spire]

That was @gusty mirage ‘s former spriest

[balmy condor]

he's from florida

[spice spire]

That explains way more than I ever needed

[balmy condor]

my spriest tho

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

p1 boss damage padder

[drifting cloud]

how much does he do p3 tho

[balmy condor]

he still cranks though

less in p3

[spice spire]

I feel 8k spriest isn’t horrible tho p3

[bleak sky]

I can't whisp

[balmy condor]

good lord

[bleak sky]

p3 damage

[spice spire]

Sheesh

[gusty mirage]

real p1 damage pad

[drifting cloud]

8.3

is it even legal to do under 9k as a rogue

[spice spire]

Prog kills are wild

[drifting cloud]

ok maybe on early rekills ill allow it, but not uner 8.5

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

like I had 8.4 with r4 frost in august

[spice spire]

Also oxi had a stupid strat for that kill

[gusty mirage]

did I?

[spice spire]

P4 literally in the corner for like 15s

[gusty mirage]

my strat was to survive

[spice spire]

Not you, your guild

The fourth platform thing

[drifting cloud]

wait what

[gusty mirage]

ye the fact that I hit 8k in p3 standing afk on 4th plat for 15s was wild

[drifting cloud]

youre an assa rogue

[gusty mirage]

they had us wait out all 3 arrows lol

[spice spire]

Yeah until arrows go off

[drifting cloud]

you can afk anywhere you want

worst case you can feint

[gusty mirage]

bruh I got yelled at

[spice spire]

Yeah it was wild to watch ryler

[drifting cloud]

do they not understand you have a 25k absorb and 40% less dmg

[gusty mirage]

"STAND IN THE COOLDOWNS"

[spice spire]

But like

[gusty mirage]

but ... I'm at 85% health after 2 arrows

why

"JUST DO IT"

[spice spire]

You guys could have stood at the boss

[gusty mirage]

"...k"

[spice spire]

And done that…

That’s what confused me

[drifting cloud]

yeah we sometimes have people die with 3rd arrow on early platforms

so then I got sac last week

dropped to like 75%

was close

[gusty mirage]

my fav was one of our mages asked to go arcane

for the "fat boss" damage

[drifting cloud]

86% hes .. dead right

[gusty mirage]

he was dead for the last 10s

[drifting cloud]

triple arrow copium?

[gusty mirage]

stood in withering fire on 4th plat

[spice spire]

Anyway - that strat was super dumb and I still don’t understand the 4th platform logic

[sand plume]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[bleak sky]

so we're memeing about 8k-9k dps but

what should we be aiming for

I remember cev saying 11k but I'm sure he was trolling

[balmy condor]

11k is doable with good gear

[bleak sky]

yep 11k

[balmy condor]

Yep

That’s with externals tho

Right

[drifting cloud]

obv

I doubt 11k is doable without

[balmy condor]

We’re talking no externals xD

[drifting cloud]

unless youre exactly cev

[balmy condor]

I mean

[gusty mirage]

what if you're budget Cev?

[balmy condor]

Cev doesn’t have cheat codes

[gusty mirage]

asking for a friend

[bleak sky]

this is the first one I could find without externals

like rank 18 parse

[drifting cloud]

I mean cev also doesnt have access to logs anymore he might jsut be remembering wrong

im bad but im not that bad

[bleak sky]

10k seems like a tall order but doable

[balmy condor]

Dk did 11.4k no external

But sub is better

So dunno

[drifting cloud]

thats sub

and he had insane dagger highroll

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[bleak sky]

this is 18 buffs nvm but the person next to them is 0 buffs 10.3k

[balmy condor]

10k probably a good goal tho

[gusty mirage]

only 2k off in my only kill

almost there

[drifting cloud]

but yeah imo 9k shouldnt be an issue, 9.5 with decent gear and if you have wft

as some reasonable benchmarks

[bleak sky]

I pepega'd on all my kills

and we don't raid til jan 6th

at least main raid til jan 6

[oak sky]

11k has to be doable

[bleak sky]

with no externals?

[oak sky]

ye

[bleak sky]

hm

[oak sky]

i think it is

[bleak sky]

how tho

[oak sky]

play correctly

have gear

idk what else to say

a little winds rng

[bleak sky]

the 10.3k person was missing 1 sylv dagger, 1 252 ring, kt legs

not sure if that's enough to cover 600 dps

[oak sky]

i'm pretty positive you can at least get close to 11k

if I ever manage to get the last couple pieces I need I'll be gunning for it

[drifting cloud]

I very doubt it

even most external logs dont hit 11k

other than the super stacked

[drowsy parcel]

you need to have a long 4th platform for a good p3 parse

with people dead or boostees generally

i looked through my parses, my top is 10.3k and thats with a boostee

if you just smash with everyone alive you dont get fourth vendetta and generally poor value from last platform, she dies so fast

[oak sky]

you mean 3rd vendetta?

you cant have 4 the phase is less than 6min

[drowsy parcel]

i swear i used to get 4 vendettas during prog but maybe im misremembering

[oak sky]

the phase should normally be about 5:40

so even if you have vendetta at the start of the phase you only get 3

[drowsy parcel]

yeah its probably 3 im probably thinking wrong

i wouldnt have it up at the start anyway

[oak sky]

yeah

[limber lion]

I would aim for 10k every pull. 11k is definitely doable, especially with the new trinket/ring.

[oak sky]

cuz 2nd burn

[limber lion]

But 10k is already more than enough

[gusty mirage]

do you offer coaching?

[oak sky]

I should be able to hit 10k this week with the gear ive gained since my last kill

i think

🤞

[limber lion]

I was doing around 10.4-10.8k every pull and just lucked out one pull to get over 11k

[bleak sky]

got it, aim for 10k, it it doesn't feel like 10k call for a wipe and go again

[limber lion]

winds go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[limber lion]

yeah, make sure your entire roster hates you

[drifting cloud]

are you sure you didnt get a pi or two there

[limber lion]

it'll fuel your power

[limber lion]

Yes.

[drifting cloud]

or were you full gear even back then

[oak sky]

cev hates pi

[gusty mirage]

does this work?

[limber lion]

I'm not full gear even now

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

wouldn't recommend it

but there's always a chance

The more you piss off your team mates, the less likely you're gonna get externals

and we love pure boys here

[gusty mirage]

All I'm saying

is I tilted our warriors

and then styled on them on guardian

[bleak sky]

oxi isn't even a pure assassin player

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

is that...dratnos...?

[limber lion]

No, that's ratnose

[drifting cloud]

[oak sky]

sin tier set looks good

[drifting cloud]

also cev its not that I dont believe you

Id just feel better if I saw a log

👼

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

The best way to get PIs is to tell your priests they suck and you are the best raider and if they want to be on the same team with you, they better PI you

Get your CE then bounce

[gusty mirage]

speaking from experience?

[limber lion]

Me too

[ornate raptor]

Best way to get PIs is just being better then your whole raid team 😱

[limber lion]

I've been dreading the private logs ever since I realized that I lose them permanently if I change guilds or lose access to logs.

[thorny pond]

I’m a walking disaster

[oak sky]

toxic patrick returns

😈

ok who wants to funnel me the ring

NA horde

[thorny pond]

If your guild is too peppy or nice and needs a nice morale dump, call me

[gusty mirage]

I miss red named Beach

[oak sky]

lets get it done

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

We here

It’s feativus now

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

[thorny pond]

Sin rogues and hunters only

Everyone else needs to leave

[bleak sky]

oxi gotta leave

[limber lion]

@drifting cloud

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cqYxMj6f2h7pXTvF#fight=5&type=damage-done&start=12379070&end=12745836

[bleak sky]

he's outlaw main

[oak sky]

lf cos farm

[limber lion]

Here's a log of some Russian dude doing 11k in p3

without externals

[bleak sky]

what the fuck

[oak sky]

his crit was normal too

on winds

[thorny pond]

They use different number system. It’s base 8. Nothing to see there

[limber lion]

Like said, definitely plausible. :P

[oak sky]

hes not even playing mfd

[drifting cloud]

why does the dumb p3 thing bug out

[oak sky]

it can be done

[bleak sky]

wcl acts in misterious ways

[limber lion]

Yeh, I hate it.

[thorny pond]

The boomkin didn’t even hit 8k

[bleak sky]

so it's just

play good
don't get arrows
win

[limber lion]

Their P3 starts at around 8:22

[thorny pond]

I think it’s juiced but w/e

Im gonna start doctoring logs again

[oak sky]

11k deniers

[bleak sky]

and they're playing Nadjia as well

[thorny pond]

$25 for a top ten rank no externals
$50 and I only use rogue spells so it looks believable

[limber lion]

Nadja is 1000000 times better

for P3

[subtle tundra]

theotar though

umbrella gamer

[limber lion]

I would I always play Nadja on Sylv

[subtle tundra]

cant say no

[limber lion]

every time

[bleak sky]

can't you get fucked up procs on p3?

as nadjia

[limber lion]

Sure you can

[thorny pond]

Theo gives you a chance at crit yea and lethal poisons

[subtle tundra]

yea but umbrella though uwuwuuwuwuwuwuwuw

[limber lion]

But you play better

so that doesn't happen

ez

[bleak sky]

[subtle tundra]

i love umbrella

[thorny pond]

Why

Just game fatal flaw

[subtle tundra]

why tf have i been going through normal sleep schedule, now its push week and cant even feel awake at 1:39 -.-

[solid venture]

nf rogue best for p3 don't @ me

[subtle tundra]

betrayed myself

[oak sky]

500 mastery BatChest

[thorny pond]

Doubt @solid venture

[solid venture]

i just had to do it to em

[thorny pond]

Necro can be good too

[limber lion]

I have my alarm set to wake me up in 3 hours.

[oak sky]

TO time

[limber lion]

I guess I'm not sleeping at all today

[subtle tundra]

i have exam in 6 hours, push week though

[limber lion]

Gonna have to travel for 5 hours tomorrow and then have 5 hours of work immediately after

Gonna be miserable

[bleak sky]

huff that copium king

[oak sky]

exams Wokege

[limber lion]

:(

Good thing it's a push week

plenty of time during other days

[subtle tundra]

its push weekx2

getting all the score in these 2 weeks and can unsub after

[oak sky]

about to brick someones 15 cos

sheeeeeesh

[subtle tundra]

no, cause im gaming with russians rn and cant leave

[limber lion]

have fun!

[subtle tundra]

dont undertand a word they say

but i bet they have good intentions

[limber lion]

the more they yell, the better

once they start laughing, you're screwed

[subtle tundra]

💨

[limber lion]

Anyway, here's the 11k casts that he did.

Man's been listening to my TedTalks apparently

and using Flag on cd and syncing the last cast

what a good lad.

proud of him

[oak sky]

lost a cast of fusion amp

[strange python]

What about like on fate - i mean you're just hitting flag at opener each phase for fate right?

[oak sky]

for parsing you would flag on cd

[strange python]

it's prog

[oak sky]

for prog just use it on boss

[strange python]

yeah

[oak sky]

intermission adds dont matter

[strange python]

My numbers felt way lower as venth than they were as necro - which is the only reason i even bring it up.

[subtle tundra]

the only parse is the parse in my heart

[strange python]

You just always get the most out of SBS really.

Tonight's the night though...we hit 8% on Sunday so

[oak sky]

gl

[strange python]

thx

[drifting cloud]

fate cds depend alot on the strat you use tbh

because that fight can be from like 5:40 to 7:30

[strange python]

ahh yeah i'm only aware of how we do it - it' sbasically i guess the 72, 42 strat...not sure if that makes sense to anyone but me.

72/42 clear adds then phase.

[drifting cloud]

burn strat in p3 or normally?

[strange python]

oh yeah burn strat

we hit 8% but we had like 4 dead so

we think we're good

[radiant gale]

Are there any great trinkets to try and get from Legion m+?

[slow marsh]

wow general pins

[radiant gale]

Aight cool

[slow marsh]

but whetstone is very nerfed

[radiant gale]

Thanks ❤️

[slow marsh]

So countermeasure and ring and there's a couple other interesting ones but not must have

[spice spire]

@slow marsh you're an interesting one

[slow marsh]

wut

[bleak sky]

wut

MIQ just throwing bombs like that huh

[slow marsh]

what i do

[median silo]

throwing poison bombs*FTFY

[slow marsh]

o im dumb

[slow marsh]

[clear shadow]

can anyone make me a windscar whetstone weakaura thats just the icon with a timer that greys out when its on cd please

[thorny pond]

You can just take any trinket WA you like and replace the ID with WW

[oak sky]

I missed beach being here all yhe time

🌟 🐟

[balmy condor]

:( rip whetstone

[clear shadow]

did they nerf it?

@balmy condor

[arctic walrus]

yes

[slow marsh]

into the soil

[limber swallow]

so you're saying I can stop farming it?

[thorny pond]

I am still here

[arctic walrus]

you could've stopped like 2 days ago

[thorny pond]

poor guy

got good valor I guess

[oak sky]

You werent around for a while :(

[limber swallow]

well, then I had good timing to not log in for 2 days

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-depression-rainbow-gif-10873944

[limber swallow]

but I was literally about to log in and go back to farming...

[thorny pond]

now you can just go to sleep

[oak sky]

Hope youre doing better king @thorny pond

[limber swallow]

nah, sleep is for the weak

and the tired...

and i'm tired..

[thorny pond]

Then you can go farm AA ring

or go farm in your dreams

gn king 👑

[thorny pond]

guild is about to implode so I am on the hunt again which is always good for the mental health, nokek

[balmy condor]

A ton yeah

It’s basically unplayable

[thorny pond]

everyone had to go apeshit with it and now nobody can enjoy it

[slow marsh]

I mean 23k to everything is kinda nasty

[thorny pond]

I didn't say it wasn't

We could've hid it better

[slow marsh]

We

You mean WW

[thorny pond]

always blame the kid

[slow marsh]

always

[thorny pond]

pin it on survival again

[clear shadow]

cringe i just got it

😦

[thorny pond]

you probably get a lot of gear you don't need

[strange python]

thoughts on the assa 2p change?

[clear shadow]

i was using it yesterday and it did 130k on 1st boss of mists

[strange python]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-set-feedback-rogue/1143962/79

[bleak sky]

where's the green people to tell me if this is good or not

[strange python]

100% dmg from poisons and bleeds for 9s after shiv

[balmy condor]

All pinned

[bleak sky]

green and orange people

[balmy condor]

Not damage, crit

[bleak sky]

18 min ago changes king

[strange python]

this is 18m ago bro

[balmy condor]

Oh

Fuck me

[strange python]

noob whispyr

[thorny pond]

yea it's 100% damage now from poisons and bleeds

[strange python]

100% dmg from poisons AND bleeds

BIIIIG

right?

[thorny pond]

It keeps crit in line for us

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s pretty good

[thorny pond]

and offers more damage

[strange python]

so assa is nice now

and celerity is gone for OL

[thorny pond]

It never wasn't

[strange python]

good rogue tier

[thorny pond]

it never wasn't

[balmy condor]

@fleet anchor guess dratnos was right all along

[strange python]

idk, was a bit questionable

[thorny pond]

who

[bleak sky]

wait what

[strange python]

read the bottom

[bleak sky]

just did but I'm bad at pirate

waiting for the green pirate people

[strange python]

you'd 99% just run greenskins + resounding clarity or another cov leggo

[thorny pond]

This is sin

[whole bluff]

No king rules forever

Cele has fallen

[strange python]

he asked a question, I answered

[fleet anchor]

lol

[thorny pond]

Get the pirate chat outta here!

[fleet anchor]

I mean the real question here is how you make the 4pc actually better than the 2pc in this case

[strange python]

I feel like whispyr might be simming

[kind talon]

i mean the real question is

[fleet anchor]

I would guess this change will actually make the 2pc a bigger DPS contribution than the 4pc but will see I guess

[kind talon]

invigorating SHADOWDUST???????

[thorny pond]

Have to get shiv in early in vendetta so that next shiv hit the refreshed dots

[kind talon]

DOUBLE SHIV VENDETTAS?

[fleet anchor]

Also unfortunately the post doesn't quite go into detail about what "your Poisons" means

[strange python]

hmmmm

[fleet anchor]

Since in some cases "your Poisons" includes Envenom and other cases it doesn't 😛

[thorny pond]

100% envenoms would be pretty giga

[dark token]

100% increased poison bomb

on aoe

[fleet anchor]

e.g. on Dashing Scoundrel is only says "your poisons" but works on Envenom

[dark token]

we back to legion poison bomb

[strange python]

is there any SL content that says "your poisons" but doesn't work on envenom?

[balmy condor]

Does not

[strange python]

it does not work on envenoms?

[balmy condor]

Does not

[thorny pond]

Make to minor hype

[drifting cloud]

[kind talon]

but its still rlly good

pogga

[strange python]

where do you get this secret info

[kind talon]

i might play sin next tier

if this is the spec identity

[strange python]

same

[kind talon]

and the refresh stays

[strange python]

it's sounding like a definite sin raid tier

[balmy condor]

[dark token]

idk that sub bonus is god tier

[balmy condor]

I know a guy

[dark token]

i just really hope they wait to nerf tier sets until AFTER seeing double legendary data

because classes like mage/boomy with meh tier sets but god tier legendaries will catch up

its ok if we have good tier sets due to worse legendaries imo

[strange python]

sub bonus just sounds like m+ bis, I like being top ST damage

[thorny pond]

What if I told you RF got nerf

[bronze pike]

ya ven boomies shoudl be more inline cause that lego got nerfed hard

[fleet anchor]

Zoldyck

[whole bluff]

Man, all 3 specs are looking good next tier. I am gonna play all 3 of them at the beginning and be mediocre instead of mastering 1 thing. Same happened at the beginning of SoD

[dark token]

yeah but i saw no mage legendary nerfs

[bronze pike]

kyrian boomie might be the play

[thorny pond]

Mage will get chop

[dark token]

kyrian boomie tier so all your friendly sin rogues get kindred empowerment

[dark token]

famous last words

[thorny pond]

Mage goes chop chop still gets spot

[dark token]

mages always like "these nerfs kill our spec" but always manage to stay relevant/good

[strange python]

What kinda DPS y'all pulling p3 sylv? Highest I've seen was around 11k

[bleak sky]

8.something k dps

bad

[balmy condor]

Updated that pin and bumped it up

[oak sky]

SIN SAVED PIN GAMEDD

[strange python]

Is that agreon? The healing all-star?

[balmy condor]

Also reopened the thread

All that fun stuff

[oak sky]

am i really

[strange python]

Like rank 6 I think

agreonr is famous

for the wrong reasons

[kind talon]

@oak sky RANK 6 SIN ROGUE WORLD

(healer)

[oak sky]

im actually

so happy

our tier

works on poison bomb

my god

ct

[dawn kelp]

love clicking blind on signyn and it does go off yet is on cd lol wtf

[bronze pike]

hopping between oulaw and sin is gonna be so fun lol

[balmy condor]

Hopping between sin and sin*

[gloomy knoll]

Playing sin and sub*

dagger enthusiasts only smh

[bleak sky]

but you're a dirty sub player

[bronze pike]

pirates life for me :)

pew

[balmy condor]

True I guess

Orange and green names are not allowed to play other specs

What do we pay them for

[thorny pond]

To sim

Simp*

Sorry

[balmy condor]

God I need to resim all my shit again

[drifting cloud]

[gloomy knoll]

rogue tier next tier

[clever kindle]

[bleak sky]

[strange python]

Sounds like a community problem. Just run full mastery if you want to.

[spark scaffold]

kinda need a 259 dagger for that

[solid venture]

kinda need all the stars to align for that

[spark scaffold]

im doing a bit over 10k with otherwise full bis

[strange python]

I'm doing about 10.2 most weeks, but no externals

[slow marsh]

You're welcome

[urban thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/kenny-were-the-millers-you-guys-are-getting-paid-will-poulter-gif-15947352

[red plaza]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kgK4q3bj6THYfZGy/#fight=last&type=damage-done&phase=4
11.3 with full simping. KA + PI

[fleet anchor]

Ok I have a feeling this might be a little too good. lol

[urban thistle]

lmao

[gloomy knoll]

with simp you can easily do 12k+

not 20% tier set

not good enough

[fallow otter]

Rip ww time for rogue again

[slow marsh]

It'll get nerfed i'm sure

but the concept is still way better

[balmy condor]

Hide the sims

[strange python]

yea I thought so when I read it

thats an insane effect lmao

[gloomy knoll]

0 utility class

[drifting cloud]

maybe if sub can equip 2 more legos

[gloomy knoll]

gotta do dam

[drifting cloud]

it equals it

[slow marsh]

Yeah hide them quick let's not repeat the obedience 1% vers thing

[gloomy knoll]

that's rogue class fantasy

top 4 dps because negative raid utility

[fleet anchor]

Get DK in here

[strange python]

kek

[fleet anchor]

😛

[drifting cloud]

dk big dummy

[fleet anchor]

I think the concept is better here yeah for sure but 100% with 30% uptime is a lot of percent lol

[bronze pike]

thats a big damage increase

[fleet anchor]

But this is much easier to tune anyway

[strange python]

quiet meta raid spec

[bronze pike]

odds are its probs gonna get nerfed to 50% and then steadily increased to find that sweet spot

[fallow otter]

Compared to 40% passive fof dmg, what a joke... Happy for rogue sad for monk

[twilit hollow]

STOP THE SIMS

[slow marsh]

it'll be easier to tune though which is the point

[strange python]

does this 2pc work on shit like doomblade

[bronze pike]

no stopping the sims now buds

[slow marsh]

I could imagine it will land in the 50-75% range

[fallow otter]

But my rogue is 252 now just incase it's time to jump ship lol

[bronze pike]

same iceblades especially with double legos and such

[fallow otter]

Check pind

[bronze pike]

i wouldnt assume ww tier set will stay the same tbh. probs gonan get changed too

[gloomy knoll]

it does not

check pins

[slow marsh]

I just got here ok

been watching stream

[fallow otter]

Ok

[balmy condor]

Yeah it won’t affect legendaries like doom or blood probably

Cause it’s not “your” bleed

The same way trinkets aren’t buffed by shiv/vendetta

Because they’re not “your” damage

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-our-now-gif-21036569

our damage

[dawn ivy]

aight so i just woke up and sin got 10% more damage i guess

what are the parameters for the sim koji did

double leggo? dusk/obe?

[balmy condor]

Looks like just a regular t27 profile with no winds

[dawn ivy]

or just flat bare bones

mk

what a nice little gift to have when i wake up

[balmy condor]

Dw it’s gonna get nerfed

[dawn ivy]

no plz

[balmy condor]

It’s basically already confirmed

[oak sky]

new tier BatChest

[balmy condor]

Actually I should pin that

[oak sky]

we get to play next tier

[balmy condor]

To make sure people don’t go crazy

[limber lion]

Great stuff

[dawn ivy]

wait you guys know what this means right

crit has value now

[drifting cloud]

😩

[dawn ivy]

[bleak sky]

pls no nerf

they're def not gonna nerf it and leave us with nothing

[gusty mirage]

Nerf doesn’t mean obliterate

[dawn ivy]

i wonder if this would potentially do anything to master poisoner 🤔

[limber swallow]

bruh, obliterate is a dk skill... bruh

[gusty mirage]

Shut the front door

[slow marsh]

They will nerf it but it's ok

[bleak sky]

yeah but I want to be venth boomy stronk in 9.2

[strange python]

ye

[gusty mirage]

no you don’t

[strange python]

thats never gonna happen pal

[gusty mirage]

Look at tettles melting down via badly photoshopped memes

[bleak sky]

papa bless the nerfs they got

[slow marsh]

Big doubt

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

Ep too good

[gloomy knoll]

ep buffs bleeds

[strange python]

you will never do this

as a rogue

[dawn ivy]

no, we'll be better

we'll do it every minute

[gusty mirage]

Parsley on the hard copium

[slow marsh]

You right it'll be every 50s

If you shiv on cd

[gloomy knoll]

actually insane

that red chciken

[gusty mirage]

Go ahead ask the question I know you want to

Go ahead

[gloomy knoll]

lasted the entire raid tier

[slow marsh]

No

[gloomy knoll]

and ptr

[gusty mirage]

Ask about CT

[slow marsh]

I already know

I don't need to ask

[limber lion]

2p is like 12% itself

[gloomy knoll]

i'm ok with that

[oak sky]

deeper to increase rupture damage

[gusty mirage]

Ye it’s insane

[dawn ivy]

MP GANG RISE

[limber lion]

Slap the current 4p on top and we're probs looking at 25%+

[oak sky]

subterfuge ep deeper its here

[gloomy knoll]

negative utility yellow class

[limber lion]

The most op tier set out of anyone

[gloomy knoll]

need big dam to compensate

[slow marsh]

+CT

[obtuse robin]

lol

[oak sky]

nono poison bomb is affected by 2p

[obtuse robin]

no

[gusty mirage]

Maybe they’re okay with it

[limber lion]

Don't get too excited now, omega nerfs inc

[gusty mirage]

Doubtful

[gloomy knoll]

rogue tier

ez

[gusty mirage]

But who knows

[limber lion]

It will see nerfs

[oak sky]

thats ok

[limber lion]

They've confirmed they're aiming for around 10% altogether

[slow marsh]

Idk if poison bomb dam will outpace CT tho but we'll see what new Sims say

[gusty mirage]

Ye probably 50-75% is likely

[oak sky]

because its workable now

[limber lion]

Not 30%

[oak sky]

pb is free gg

[slow marsh]

Indeed

[limber lion]

I wouldn't be surprised if it fell down to 30%

[gloomy knoll]

aiming for 10% across the board iss stupid

[dawn ivy]

im thinking 2pc cut in half to 50% dam would do well

[gloomy knoll]

when classes have dog tier legendaries

like sub rogue

[limber lion]

50% is probs too high still tbh

[dawn ivy]

hell, probably even more if you want 10%

25% lmao

[fleet anchor]

Well PB beneifts from the damage increase too most likely and the uptime is high enough to likely catch a lot of them

So it's not as bad as it seems

Playing with that now

[slow marsh]

I'm not saying pb bad by any means

[gusty mirage]

Idk about 50% being too high

[limber lion]

PB sucks

[fleet anchor]

Still seemed really close but I'm changing the CT line logic a little bit

[limber lion]

Definitely is too high

[gusty mirage]

Then again we haven’t used subterfuge in raid since bfa

[slow marsh]

I just think that any fight with adds will be CT

[gusty mirage]

So who knows how it’ll play out with that

[limber lion]

100% is 12%

[slow marsh]

Which seems to be a lot

[limber lion]

And that's without 4p

[fleet anchor]

Well yeah I think that's for sure, CT is close enough for sure

[limber lion]

4p supercharges it

[strange python]

you guys have actual good legendary choices

[gloomy knoll]

wasn't ct close with dusk

[strange python]

nerfs on their way

[gloomy knoll]

this would just put it over the top easily

[limber lion]

Good one

[slow marsh]

I just think it'll end up like the wholevigpr thing where it's close enough to where you just take it just because

[strange python]

bro

I dont want to hear this

[gusty mirage]

Dashing stonks may have just gone up as well

[strange python]

out of your mouth

ever again

bastard

[limber lion]

Lmao

[strange python]

assa players pretending their leges suck

[fleet anchor]

It mostly just turbocharges the AoE damage it doesn't seem to change ST all that much

[limber lion]

They do, they're all bad

Equally bad

Yuk

[gusty mirage]

All rogue leges kinda suck

[fleet anchor]

DP procs and PB benefit from the new buff remember

[limber lion]

Celerity the only goos legendary

[fleet anchor]

So that's a bit of an offsetting change

[gloomy knoll]

pins say pb doesn't

[fleet anchor]

That wasn't in before

[gloomy knoll]

?

[limber lion]

Everything else sucks

[gusty mirage]

Like sub’s are dumpster tier but that doesn’t make a 5% legendary good

[gloomy knoll]

is that a bug

[fleet anchor]

"- does work on poison bomb"

[gloomy knoll]

oh i misread it

from envenom

[gusty mirage]

They can’t read with all the excitement

[gloomy knoll]

i'd prefer ct

feelsbadman

[strange python]

dusk with the 4pc isnt 5%

[gusty mirage]

Dusk right now is around that though

[dawn ivy]

close

[fleet anchor]

I'm at about +28% with 4pc+2nd leggo

[strange python]

bro your newly synergizing legendary is better than my base spec legendaries before any synergies

[dawn ivy]

dusk more than doubles the power of the 4pc

[gusty mirage]

Aren’t they fixing akaari interaction with the sub 4pc?

[limber lion]

I don't know if I'd consider being stuck on Duskwalkers good

[fleet anchor]

2pc is 12%, 2pc+4pc is 19%

[strange python]

yea

akaari will prob be pretty good

[dawn ivy]

GET ON THE TRAIN

[strange python]

but not dusk with 4pc good

[gusty mirage]

It’ll be like 6% now

[strange python]

your synergies are pretty off the chart

[drifting cloud]

dk posting so much in assa

its gonna overheat

[gusty mirage]

The man’s upset grudge match is better than immortal technique

[strange python]

1 min bomb spec trying to say their leges aren't powerful

[limber lion]

See, it's the plural

[dawn ivy]

60%dance/blades spec trying to say theyre not broken

[limber lion]

We have a good legendary

Not having any choice ain't great

[dawn ivy]

guys maybe this tier they just let rogue do 20% more dam than anyone else because we have no utility

[gloomy knoll]

rogue being top 4 dps is great

idc what legendary i use

[strange python]

in this type of patch you arent hoping for choice youre just hoping to be good 💀

[drifting cloud]

@strange python https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYmqJl4MoNI assa every 60s in 9.2

[keen garden]

Banshee's blight says 3% per cp on finisher chance, does that mean crimson tempest can potentially hit multiple with the proc?

[dawn ivy]

no

its 3% per cp

not target hit

[gusty mirage]

It only hits one target

[keen garden]

Thx

[limber lion]

Damn spitting 📠

[dawn ivy]

so its locked at a max of 18% with DS and 21% with kyrian (POV youre a serial killer)

[strange python]

you just want as much broken shit interacting with each other as possible and assa seems like its getting those stars to line up lol

[keen garden]

Kyrian game sounded fun when I started playing rogue, then I tried it and I can't hate it more

[gloomy knoll]

i actually don't mind kyrian much

it's a lot more fun with the leggo tbh

hated it without the leggo

[limber lion]

Yeh definitely agree, it's also definitely seeing omega nerfs soon enough. It's way too good

[limber swallow]

it's fun for outlaw, with the legendary

[dawn ivy]

yeah kyrian outlaw is the only spec i like it on

[strange python]

I'd still say that double lege should be waited for lol

[limber lion]

Fingies crossed all specs survive the onslaught of nerfs in January

Yeh I think so too

[strange python]

before balancing anything

[limber lion]

100%

Double legos change it up quite a bit

[slow marsh]

Is NS mfd dream coming back or still dead

Exsang

[dawn ivy]

that was never alive

cant be dead

[limber lion]

Could be, highly doubt Exsang sees play

Could see but idk

[slow marsh]

Exsang a ns rupt to fit it all inside of shiv

[limber lion]

Already overcapping energy and 10% haste baseline gives a ton

[strange python]

i also thought exsang could be cool but alacrity is probably too broken of a talent to ever use anything else for sin

[dawn ivy]

have we considered venom rush with this tier set

[limber lion]

Yeh. The stronger stuff like bleeds get, the better hadte gets with it as well

[slow marsh]

I am a known exsang is dead member but it seems interesting

[limber lion]

Venom rush is always bad

[dawn ivy]

hmm interesting

we'll need to see the numbers to be sure

[limber lion]

There is no world ever where venom rush does well

No we don't

Lol

[dawn ivy]

[slow marsh]

[limber lion]

Do yoy know what it even does?

It's about saving energy

But now we have unlimited energy

[slow marsh]

Actually true

[limber lion]

It's bad at negative energy

Even more at unlimited energy

[arctic walrus]

yes but unlimited energy means more mutilates which means more casts which means more energy from vrush

[strange python]

this is my channel now

leave

[limber lion]

Have fun with it

[fleet anchor]

Ok just checked in the sim updates should be able to play with it in a few hours

[arctic walrus]

delete this please

[slow marsh]

But we can't spend fast enough

[dawn ivy]

no evidence

[limber lion]

[fleet anchor]

Initial look

[dawn ivy]

LOLOLOL

[limber lion]

Lmao

[dawn ivy]

HAHAHAAH

[obtuse robin]

lmao

no shot

[twilit hollow]

is this with 2 leggos?

or 1

[fleet anchor]

2

This is Obe

Baseline

[limber lion]

4pc as in 2+4?

[slow marsh]

Yooooooooo

[strange python]

oh wait

[fleet anchor]

Yes

[strange python]

you guys still suck lmao

alright nvm

[fleet anchor]

4pc is both together

[limber lion]

Wtf

[fleet anchor]

(No way to have it otherwise)

[limber lion]

[strange python]

13.2 💀

[slow marsh]

CT always tier

[arctic walrus]

💀

[fleet anchor]

Still maybe APL changes that would be made to play around some stuff potentially

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[strange python]

you was right bro 💀

[fleet anchor]

But I don't think it's worth putting in a shitton of time on it when it's likely to be tuned sigificantly

[limber lion]

Nah def not

[fleet anchor]

I did some basic changes to CT logic in ST

Since it was avoiding during Shiv

[twilit python]

13.2 lol

[fleet anchor]

Now it's

(!debuff.shiv.up|debuff.grudge_match.remains>2)

[limber lion]

As long as it slams CT during Vend/Shiv, we're chilling

[slow marsh]

Ye CT inside of shiv prob pushes it ahead but we'll have to see where the dam amp ends up

[fleet anchor]

Seemed to be ok for now

[strange python]

2 pc will prob get dropped to 70%

[limber lion]

What kind of talents are we talking about here?

[slow marsh]

I'm expecting 50%

[urban thistle]

is this also with a covenant legendary?

[limber lion]

Any NS/MFD enjoyers?

[strange python]

50 is probably too low

[fleet anchor]

Yes the base profile is Obedience

[urban thistle]

Ok yea that's what i assumed

[fleet anchor]

Whispyr I'm sure will run all the matrix combos tomorrow 😄

[versed mica]

It's gotta be midrange, 69%

[strange python]

dusk becomes like a 9% lege

massive

[slow marsh]

69% would actually be broken

[fleet anchor]

Now if the damage amp works on Doomblade

Doomblade could easily be better than Dusk fwiw

[strange python]

yucky

[dawn ivy]

boo doomblade booooooo

[fleet anchor]

Or at least in the same ballpark

[versed mica]

Let doomblade die with necro

[slow marsh]

Yeah I think if dusk is remotely close it's still likely dusk because of timings right

[strange python]

1min dusk obedience assa sounds pretty sick

i'd actually consider playing that

doomblade tho

[fleet anchor]

There's also a few other question marks like if CT direct damage gets amp'd (compared to periodic)

[slow marsh]

But outside of that the 1min cd sync is pog

[dawn ivy]

doomblade/dusk cant be a thing

[balmy condor]

Doubt it’s that much btw

[balmy condor]

Supposed to

[fleet anchor]

That's what I implemented for now

But CT is buggy

[slow marsh]

Kekw I knew that

[fleet anchor]

lol

[balmy condor]

I sent a questionnaire

[bleak sky]

holy shit that sim

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

According to Koji's profile it's around 28% for now

[bleak sky]

hide it

before blizzard finds it

[balmy condor]

[fleet anchor]

It's 28% with the extra leggo

[strange python]

thats with leg

[limber lion]

Assuming duskies/obe

Yeh

[fleet anchor]

2pc+4pc itself is ~19

[balmy condor]

What

Oh

Okay

Double lego

[strange python]

your broken leges man

disgusting legendary abusers

[urban thistle]

The damage profile of 1 minute vendettas is likely more favorable than doomblade's, though, so if they're very close I imagine you'd still take dusk

[limber lion]

2 legendaries less than 10%

Very brokem

:(

[slow marsh]

Kyrian stonks let's go

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

9% lege worth more than my whole spec

[limber lion]

That's two legendaries though

[fleet anchor]

If the 2pc worked with Envenom it actually could work nice with Kyrian in theory since you could get some YUGE Envenoms

But without, there's not much synergy

[strange python]

ye some of that value is prob attributed to being able to line every vend with flag

[slow marsh]

The synergy is with 45s vendetta

[limber lion]

Yeh

[strange python]

yo can you post the sim itself

[fleet anchor]

It's local

I've checked it in

[strange python]

ah alright

[fleet anchor]

But nightly won't run for a few hours

[slow marsh]

You get an extra cast of vend in a 5min fight if you full send every 45s instead of holding for obed

[limber lion]

Don't.

[balmy condor]