assassination

[marble hemlock]

sylv daggers are a big contributor to that

[balmy condor]

There’s a lot of room on a lot of specs

[oak sky]

not every class has to stack mastery tbf

that would be shitty too

[marble hemlock]

well, the issue is basically that the stats are so similar in their actual effects, that youre bound to just pick whatever sims highest. if stats had a more active role in altering gameplay, theres more room for nuance and stats having different value in different scenarios

weve seen a lot of that appear at the end of bfa when corruption allowed for ridiculous amounts of stats that led to entirely new gameplay-builds rising to the top of the meters

[soft shale]

remember multistrike and effects based around it

[versed mica]

Lmao @ people mad for suggesting envenom be a talent

It's not like you're losing anything but the poison proc chance increase

[balmy condor]

Yeh

The two malding things

Were basically “envenom talent “ and “why no kingsbane “

[slow marsh]

wait i missed so much

[viscid spear]

Such a nice thing to wake up to

[misty holly]

What if everything were a talent. All you get is Sinister Strike baseline.

[slow marsh]

they have that already and it's even less popular than vanilla classic i think

[balmy condor]

The issue with that is how granular things are. You’ll be rebuilding your entire talent tree constantly to try and min max, or you’ll have an arbitrary limit on it like conduit energy

[oak sky]

classic wow moment

[slow marsh]

I just like having options so more focus on brushing up on talents and core class stuff over borrowed power would be cool

[golden basalt]

Anyone got any other hot/controversial takes? I got a three hour road trip ahead of me and could use some entertainment

[soft shale]

yes i miss ago poison made abilities actually deal damage

not like this deadly poison

shit dot

and not even the instant part is cool

makes the spec lose identity

also garrote having a cd makes no sense

[marble hemlock]

was actually fun playing bfa assa with tomb set, 0 cd on garrote 🙂

[timid cloud]

PB being 40% of our damage was a mistake.

[misty holly]

Do we know if set bonuses work in timewalking Mage Tower? I know old set bonuses have been disabled game-wide, but covenant sets are already in game, and in 9.2 there will be more sets.

since gear is all scaled down to the same ilvl, those set bonuses might be worth.

[limber lion]

No clue honestly.

@balmy condor might know, he wrote a guide on it.

[misty holly]

wowhead article on gear rules for mage tower say nothing about set bonuses from shadowlands gear

[limber lion]

Yeah, could be that they work

[misty holly]

a google search finds no discussion about it

So I asked here 🙂

[limber lion]

PB existing is a mistake*

[timid cloud]

True.

[limber lion]

I was flabbergasted when they introduced PB as a talent after the shitshow that was Legion PB.

[timid cloud]

👍🏼

[limber lion]

They definitely ran out of ideas when thinking of new talents

and just slapped it on there with weaker numbers

Maybe they thought everyone liked PB because everyone kept talking about it

Except no one had anything good to say about it

all my homies hate pb

[timid cloud]

We miss it we miss it, when in reality it was just really about it just dealing broken amounts of damage if you got 2 in a row.

[limber lion]

Or get one during adds

[timid cloud]

It was kind of a baseless hype.

Yeah.

[limber lion]

I got a r1 Eonar pull because I proc'd a pb on Felhounds

That's it

I think it was around 12 mobs stacked on top

Very fun gameplay

[timid cloud]

Interactive, some might say...

[gusty mirage]

Covenant sets only work outdoors in SL zones

Old legendaries from legion should still work though

[limber lion]

Oh I completely skimmed the covenant set part

[marble hemlock]

nah

[limber lion]

Thought you were only talking about 9.2 sets

[gusty mirage]

They disabled the old legendaries too?

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/ItYH2/f1d359771d.png

list of all the stuff that doesnt work

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

you will be using standard twink timewalking gear

[marble hemlock]

itll basically be

[hollow escarp]

so mop crafted pvp gear with a lot of sockets 🙂

[marble hemlock]

items with the most sockets

if you wanna minmax

trinkets that scale well in timewalking

[hollow escarp]

some tbc items as well

[gusty mirage]

I’ll just wait for them to nerf it

[marble hemlock]

just get gud

and blast it

first try

[hollow escarp]

they didn't do it for normal timewalking

[gusty mirage]

Nah I have a new fan of knives to write, not enough time in the day

[marble hemlock]

ill coach you

[gusty mirage]

Can y’all start doing cool shit or something?

Contents rough out here

[hollow escarp]

assa rogue in top 6 TGP qualifiers 🙂

I think they did the fastest MISTS

[sonic schooner]

You re the cool shit

[gusty mirage]

Which one

[marble hemlock]

fastest 27 at least

zerocool

[hollow escarp]

27 yeah

[gusty mirage]

Oh

Neat

So focus on seli and ramfam got it

[marble hemlock]

nah

were not gonna do shit

[gusty mirage]

I’m the writer don’t stifle my creative discretion

[hollow escarp]

you guys are still in top 6

[marble hemlock]

we havent even timed a 25 yet wdym

youre talking about

[gusty mirage]

We did 4 keys and my tank decided to “try windwalker”

[marble hemlock]

@vernal sigil

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

theyre going strong

[hollow escarp]

ahh lol

[marble hemlock]

my brother from another mother

[hollow escarp]

I thought that was you

[marble hemlock]

i wish 😦

wish i was as cool as him

[gusty mirage]

It could be you

Don’t let your dreams be dreams

[marble hemlock]

hes much nicer than i am

should all give him a follow

[gusty mirage]

Plays outlaw not interested

[hollow escarp]

already did

[marble hemlock]

meanwhile were waiting for our tank to show up

[gusty mirage]

I’ll do it eventually

[marble hemlock]

we said wed start playing at 1pm

🙂

[gusty mirage]

Is your tank napping like mine was?

[marble hemlock]

dunno

probably went to bed at 10am again or smth

[gusty mirage]

“Be on in an hour”

Shows up 6 hours later

“Sorry fell asleep”

Oh yea np man

[marble hemlock]

too bad i suck at being productive

tbf, i used the time to shave

[gusty mirage]

Too bad you’re too handsome for it to matter

[marble hemlock]

[gusty mirage]

[wary chasm]

Shadowcore + Phanton Fire
or
Sharpening Stone + Agility Pot?

[limber lion]

Stone + pot is a good choice every time.

[wary chasm]

Ty

[sonic schooner]

!oils

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[subtle tundra]

the fact that jpc is playing mists as assa in tgp warms my heart

[hollow escarp]

isn't that because they saw zerocool do it first?

[subtle tundra]

well, zero plays it cause he 1 tricks assa, jpc plays it now cause its probably the better spec

different reasons

[hollow escarp]

yeah, but it still takes somebody to prove that it works first

[subtle tundra]

it would've been me if i were playing 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎

jk

[hollow escarp]

I joined with some friends but I think it was only for the toy

[subtle tundra]

ok watching him play assa kinda cringe

[hollow escarp]

so they actually played it last night?

nvm, it's on now

[marble hemlock]

talked with zero a lot, think we both agreed that assa is pretty likely to be the better spec in mists

in pf you kinda want the sub funnel for spinebreakers

sorta the same in mists with kitties, but its not as bad there

[subtle tundra]

yea pf sub kinda insane, first tormentor, ooze man, spinebreakers, 3rd boss all really big funnel targets

[marble hemlock]

ye

mists assa is just very solid all around, lots of lowtarget cleave

[subtle tundra]

good to see that sub just isnt 100% better than assa

[hollow escarp]

imagine if we had top and mists for proving grounds, perfect assa dungeons

[subtle tundra]

(idc about outlaw it can go fuck itself)

[marble hemlock]

well i mean

most people wouldve played outlaw in top

psure zero and i wouldve been the only ones to play assa there

[subtle tundra]

also, @echo geyser see? imagine if you believed in the assa dream and played it

fuck i resubbed to play some m+, nobody in lfg idk what i was thinking

[echo geyser]

imagine resubbing on the worst week of the rotation

even the +15 weekly gamers are doing the great push on TR

[marble hemlock]

ye

i tanked a few on monk

[subtle tundra]

[marble hemlock]

wasnt nice

[hollow escarp]

@subtle tundra you watching the stream?

[subtle tundra]

shhhhhhh

[void carbon]

Does dashing scoundrel Lego give Energy of the poison damage ticks or just the initial application of instant poison crits?

[subtle tundra]

james' just bad

[hollow escarp]

they don't believe in assa

[subtle tundra]

also, i think necro might be better

not sure

[hollow escarp]

hmm

during the extra damage phase with flag, idk

[subtle tundra]

if only someone tried it around 😦

[hollow escarp]

well, I did try on some +20s practice keys

not very relevant for higher keys

but had to pug

[subtle tundra]

a bit different from doing the same key with same people with same setup and just you changing it

[hollow escarp]

played with a boomie and bm hunter both times, so I had the boss for myself

[subtle tundra]

ok i actually learned something from jpc, how to cloak the fear from first boss

thought it just didnt work

[soft shale]

you need the first sec of immune

like many other shit

[marble hemlock]

yeah

its same with the frontal from 1st boss NW

can evasion and cloak it, but cloak only works if you immune cloak

[subtle tundra]

YOU CAN EVASION THE FRONTAL FROM THAT BOSS?

[hollow escarp]

should be in the book of shadows as well

[subtle tundra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486284970806083584/909724258849140756/amogus.gif

i cant read

[vernal sigil]

@marble hemlock

[marble hemlock]

you guys blasting

hope to see you in top6 brother ❤️

[vestal wren]

good luck to both of you

[vernal sigil]

not gonna happen sadly

[marble hemlock]

psure were not gonna play anymore, tank not showing up is killing everybodies vibe

already had to make last minute changes cuz our previous healer kinda fucked us

[subtle tundra]

i-ican tank

[marble hemlock]

unlucko, but i had fun

[marble hemlock]

wdym

you got this :3

[subtle tundra]

the fact that they are struggling so much on a 28 tyra boss is so stupid

actual mythic boss prog

[marble hemlock]

i mean

1st boss mists is insanely overtuned

[subtle tundra]

yea, kinda bs

you know how the boss healths scale with tyra and fort on that?

[hollow escarp]

Ingra or Dorman? which one scales with what?

[subtle tundra]

both

some boss adds scale with fort, some with tyra i think
atleast dos last boss totem scales with tyra

[marble hemlock]

typically adds dont scale with either

they just scale with keylevel

but since both of these are part of the boss

they both scale with tyra

meaning it takes longer to nuke the tree, while it also takes longer to kill the boss itself ofc

they giga buffed the boss

when they did the "nuke phase now lasts 2seconds longer" stuff but didnt nerf the HP like they did for a shitton of other bosses

as if 2sec more nuke somehow make up for the boss already being smth that you kinda needed to 2phase or wipe to

[subtle tundra]

very poopoo

[thorny pond]

Just overall not a fun dungeon

[subtle tundra]

yea, not a good dungeon when the only way to have a decent timer is to exploit pull through walls

[thin crypt]

sas better for pvp?

[gusty mirage]

#pvp would know better but afaik assa and sub are both good for pvp and outlaw does well in 2s

[elfin chasm]

any macro for sth link [Evasion] Activated

?

i cant link spells in my macro 😦

[balmy condor]

Not sure what the question is

You can’t link spells into chat by macro

[elfin chasm]

was this

#showtooltip Evasion
/cast Evasion
/run SendChatMessage("Activated " .. GetSpellLink("Evasion"), "SAY")

[normal mist]

@balmy condor im about to run the raid and decided to go necro this week. Whats the best overall soulbind to use? I feel like i've asked this b4

[gusty mirage]

heimir

gemstones too strong for assa

[balmy condor]

But like… why

[elfin chasm]

when i use evasion to dodge those wings of rage/chains of eternity people dont know and they panic

telling me to get awayyy

so....

[balmy condor]

You could just /yell Evasion Used

[elfin chasm]

yea, but even if i link spell most people wont know u can dodge those physical AOEs with Evasion

[balmy condor]

Whatever works man

[elfin chasm]

yea thanks bro

gn

[amber fossil]

Evasion works on those 2 spells? Very cool, thx for the tips

[gusty mirage]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[gusty mirage]

😛

[amber fossil]

Wow, what a plethora of info. Much appreciated!

[prisma carbon]

what tree do i even play for sin nf keys

[limber lion]

Korayn

You play Korayn on pretty much every single dps spec in the entire game

[rotund oak]

NF should be removed from the game

cringefairies

hate them

[polar cape]

Does the auto atk ring sims properly in raidbots?

[placid radish]

nf should be forced on every spec cause Soulshape

[arctic walrus]

No

[spice spire]

Iirc the passive is still missing, kleft

[polar cape]

Oki thx

[limber lion]

[steel geyser]

Did not see the "m+" part

sorry

<3

[split grail]

Should I currently be running Obedience as Venthyr? Someoen told me that and it doesn't really seem that great. Isn't vers only meh for sin?

[balmy condor]

cooldown reduction is good

it's usually the choice for m+, and very competitive to dashing in raid

but even then

vers doesn't have to be good

for 15% of it to be good

[past bobcat]

Even being energy starved? Can you still get under a minute with little haste on flag

[balmy condor]

and sin rogue stats are very balanced anyway

[balmy condor]

why would you want to get it under a minute, it lines up with vend if you get it close to a minute

[past bobcat]

When playing sin do you not want 30 stacks?

[balmy condor]

of course you do

with mfd it's actually fairly reasonable to get it to a minute

you hit 30 stacks or close to it pretty much every time

[past bobcat]

Ah in the sin faq is there a rotation guide? I’ve been trying to switch to sin for guilds sylv prog

[arctic walrus]

you can just look at logs if you want actual step by step buttons to press

otherwise most guides just have a general priority order that you should be going off of

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

lot of rotation guides here

[jovial spear]

Progging Remnatn on Mythic, and struggling a bit with shadowstepping getting yeeted of the platform doing bombs. Any tips?

[misty holly]

Do you have the weak aura that shows dispel cast bar?

That is important

Hit shadowstep onto the boss as the cast bar completes

BEFORE you start to fly back

You have to be hitting the button before you client registers the knock back

because there will be a bit of lag

you are always a few ms behind the server

[jovial spear]

ahaa, ive been waiting until the dispell has been done before using.. didnt really work that well

Yeah, have the weak aura

[misty holly]

it might take a few tries to get it down, and it's probably never 100% because your ping time may fluctuate

but you can get pretty consistent with practice

[jovial spear]

Thanks for the tip, will definately try it out next raid 🙂

[misty holly]

If you do it too early you might just kill the whole raid, so that's kind if embarassing.

but yeah by the time you start flying back and react it's too late

One thing you can do is practice on other peoples bombs too. To get timing down

just pretend you have it and try to get the shadowstep timed just right

[drifting cosmos]

Nah it worked for me. I only pressed after I saw knock back, all kinds of knockbacks

I think it's your settings and pings

[balmy condor]

also if you're not running the finesse conduit for shadow step range

you're actually trolling yourself

tbh

[misty holly]

Once your off the edge of the platform, the game doesn't like to let you shadowstep back on is the problem.

So, at least for the positioning we use, there is almost no time to react

your off the platform in a instant

[balmy condor]

why would you ever be off the platform

just face outwards

you fly backwards

giga time

[misty holly]

mass dispel

[balmy condor]

what about it

[misty holly]

we position one person outside, one person middle, rest of raid inside

person on outside has to save themself from middle bomb knockback

[balmy condor]

yes

[misty holly]

maybe there is a better way, but that seemed to be the strat when we started doing that fight

[balmy condor]

we do the same thing

I have not once been flung off the platform

just weakaura inside/outside mass dispel

works every time

[misty holly]

maybe you've been lucky? or maybe the priests know something ours don't

[loud light]

have you done it since 9.1.5? they finally fixed MD randomness (I've seen two people on the same pull get dispelled in different orders by MD)

[misty holly]

which bomb gets triggered "first" seems to be random

[balmy condor]

since 9.1.5?

[bleak sky]

It's not random

[misty holly]

so 1/2 the time outside people gets knocked off

[balmy condor]

that change has been in for WAY longer than that

and yes

I have done it since then

and it's still not random

[loud light]

they said they fixed it but they didn't really

[bleak sky]

Someone in here made a Weakaura showing which person gets dispelled first and which gets dispelled second

[loud light]

back in the original hotfix

[bleak sky]

You can look it up in chat history, it's not random

[balmy condor]

but feels pretty weird

that I have like 150 pulls on it

and have not been flung off once

and no one in our guild has had that issue either

[bleak sky]

such gamers

[balmy condor]

guess we've such been lucky 1700 times in a row

[misty holly]

What determines which bomb goes first?

[bleak sky]

it's a weighting on a spell hidden by the game

[misty holly]

No one in our guild knows that, as we play it though it's random

[loud light]

it used to be reverse order of unitguid

[bleak sky]

this ^

[loud light]

except if the priest casting MD was involved, then it would do them first regardless

[bleak sky]

you can play as if it were random, shouldn't mattter.
As long as you have someone that can get back to the platform on the outside is fine

like 100% fine

[slow marsh]

the new strat is to just md + dispel at the same time

if you slam both they will come out at the same time and obth players will fly to center

idk how exactly it works but i know you hit both at the same time

Yeah so you cast MD then dispel the outer as it's coming out is how it works

since md is a slight delay and reg dispel is insta

@misty holly

[ebon notch]

ok guys i saw this guy saying that nf assa rogue was reallly really good

just wanted to confirm

apparently soulshape is just the best defensive for rogues or msth?

he was called negativecool or smth

zerocool?

idk pretty cool guy either way

seemed very knowledgeable about the game

[strange python]

I heard a rumour that whispyr was gonna step down and let zerocool take his place ^

[gloomy knoll]

2 pc shrouded suffocation

[oak sky]

Posting it every day wont make it happen

[thorny pond]

Damn

[dark token]

2pc shrouded with that 4pc set would actually be so fire

[limber lion]

and op

[dark token]

Other classes get op tier sets too idk

[limber lion]

no like

shrouded would be giga op

probably

[glass tulip]

What's shrouded suffocation

[limber lion]

an old azerite trait from bfa

which buffed garrote damage from stealth and gave 2 extra combo points

[glass tulip]

Ah, from the before times

That's cool. Wasn't a legion tier set also something with garrote's cost?

[limber lion]

legion tier set?

there was several

one for each patch

[ocean cipher]

what would make it op exactly?

[limber lion]

8.3 was Dashing Scoundrel, which we pretty much have as a legendary

[limber lion]

The garrote damage with the current 4p would probably be a bit too much

[ocean cipher]

word

[dark token]

Fix the bug give shrouded

[limber lion]

nah

[dark token]

I'm just not really a fan of MA as a talent and vastly prefer subterfuge, picking correct moments to vanish on 3 targets vs just braindead lining it up with vendetta in fights etc

[limber lion]

I doubt we'll be playing MA next patch anyways with current 2p/4p

Subterfuge is very likely.

[dark token]

Neat

[clever kindle]

does anyone have a good sin guide/video to watch for slyv

[limber lion]

I unfortunately have not recorded any or know of any.

[clever kindle]

finally killed KT and getting to the last hurdle

2 day guild struggles

[jaunty steeple]

KT is pain

Sylv has issues but it's mucho fun compared to KT imo

[clever kindle]

KT wasnt too bad I was down on all 3 phases so really mostly a single target fight for me

[gusty mirage]

jpc posted his first kill

on youtube

[dark token]

You can watch some kills from sin rogues on streams, honestly it's really straightforward, the only minmaxy stuff imo is trying to keep up alacrity in all phases, mfd usage sometimes, and knowing when to cd in p2/p3

[jaunty steeple]

wish I was down

[clever kindle]

thanks ill take a look

[jaunty steeple]

didn't play sin tbh

[gusty mirage]

it's good to kinda get an idea of how the different phases play out

but the boss has been nerfed & bug fixed since that kill

so keep that in mind

[clever kindle]

yeah ill watch that and a more recent kill

[gusty mirage]

and gl gl you got this

[clever kindle]

Thanks

[glass tulip]

Can also go watch whipsyr vods, o hwait...

[clever kindle]

We lost 20% of our guild including 3 officers so had to reprog painsmith otherwise we would have already been here

[gusty mirage]

I have my vod up, but I parsed a 20 so idk if you want to replicate that

[glass tulip]

I'd take a 20 for CE any day

[gusty mirage]

I mean there was only 246 or something parses

[clever kindle]

I dont mind parses on late bosses it is what it is I know its more about putting damage in the right spot

[gusty mirage]

so it is what it is lol

[clever kindle]

if I kill it and get CE im happy

[gusty mirage]

ye I'll dm you my vod

[clever kindle]

thanks

I know late boss parses are more a luxury for higher end guilds lol

[glass tulip]

Oxi can I slide in the dm's with a guild search question

[gusty mirage]

ye go for it

[balmy condor]

none of this sin clowns do as much p3 as me

[gusty mirage]

hey I did good p3 dam

fook you

[glass tulip]

I'd put you in the dumpster if my team could get there

[limber lion]

you wish big boy

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

Link p3 damage on prog kill

I bet I win

[oak sky]

[glass tulip]

ilvl check?

[oak sky]

early proggers fuming rn

[nocturne geode]

fight fight fight

xD

[limber lion]

nerd

[balmy condor]

He wouldve been around my ilvl

I’m 248 in my raid set

[limber lion]

I was 248 ilvl on prog with unholy 4 iirc

[balmy condor]

Yeh so just 1 dom rank

Whip it out, I’ll give you 500 dps handicap

[balmy condor]

Beat me by 150 with the handicap

[limber lion]

damn

I thought I did more than 9k

but I guess not

guess I suck

oh well

[balmy condor]

L + cope + retired + old man + fell off + 1 tier andy

Nah but like 8.9 with rank 4 unholy

Is pretty spooky

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/q9HbcSH.png

uwu

[oak sky]

PI WHORE

[jaunty steeple]

I'll get CE soon

[oak sky]

CHEATER

[jaunty steeple]

[balmy condor]

Also no shot that’s on prog right

[jaunty steeple]

after, I'll jump in guild ranks

[balmy condor]

Daps listing PI rekill logs

[ebon notch]

theyre private so doesnt matter

[gusty mirage]

fragile rogue egos

[balmy condor]

Oh yes of course my apologies I forgot you’re such a horse cock wielder

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/qrncejE.png

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

this is without

[balmy condor]

Cope

[limber lion]

I have no recollection of what kind of damage 248 unholy did. I blocked all the unholy memories the day I got r5 frost

could be good, could be bad

[balmy condor]

It was not good

[limber lion]

who knows

[ebon notch]

when i get 2nd dagger i hit 10k easy

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

this is my prog kill

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

i lost a cast of flag

though

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

i cant see my prog kill cause old guild died and gm booted us all off the logs

[balmy condor]

Convenient excuse tbh

[limber lion]

not even 11k without externals?

[oak sky]

im on the way cev

ill get it done

[ebon notch]

im still missing so much gear bruh

[limber lion]

good man

[balmy condor]

Blue name is instant 1k dps loss

[ebon notch]

no kt loot only 1 dagger

[oak sky]

10k this week maybe

[limber lion]

how are you missing gear

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

no kt as in no shoulders?

[oak sky]

neck is good

[ebon notch]

ye

and no legs

[limber lion]

neck and pants are kinda whatever

pants were worse for me

and so was the neck

[balmy condor]

Pants for me are like +90

[oak sky]

i think thats a profile thing

[ebon notch]

neck was a 70 dps increase when i got it

earlier this week

[oak sky]

long run i think neck is better

[slow marsh]

i have pants on

[limber lion]

nutty

but yeah so shoulders/pants/dagger

[balmy condor]

It’s a sub thing for me

[limber lion]

like 150 dps

[oak sky]

i think the only endboss loot thats even margin is the belt

[ebon notch]

dagger is like 3% dps increase on its own

each one

[balmy condor]

Only 3?

[ebon notch]

at least

i cant remember

[limber lion]

each one?

[oak sky]

first dagger is around 150

[limber lion]

what does that mean

you have one dagger already

do you have 3 hands or

[oak sky]

2nd is probably 100 or less

[ebon notch]

yeah more daggers more % ofc

numbers bruh

+++

[balmy condor]

Dagger for sub for me is 4.9%

[limber lion]

first dagger is a bigger upgrade

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

than a second dagger

they're not equal

[oak sky]

ye

mh ilvl

[ebon notch]

2nd dagger is bigger upgrade cause then i dont need sylv loot anymore

so less stress

= play better

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

imagine stressing about the game

[ebon notch]

🤔

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

you malded so hard you quit

quiet music nerd

[limber lion]

yeh

unlucky

[slow marsh]

kekw

[limber lion]

:(

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

game too easy

[ebon notch]

and i still see you in here roasting these poor kids

as if you dont have a day job

smh

[limber lion]

trying to find some challenge from irl

[slow marsh]

go compose some orchestrated piece for the next avatar movie or something

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor https://i.imgur.com/ctVk4Do.png

[hollow river]

@ebon notch where u been man

[ebon notch]

found prog kill

fire mage getting pi so im first

[oak sky]

he actually beat me

[ebon notch]

pushing m+

[oak sky]

Madge

ON PROT PALADIN

📈

[ebon notch]

2600 prot pala 2700 sub rogue

[limber lion]

prot pala

[ebon notch]

easy 2800 next push week

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

😮

[balmy condor]

L

[hollow river]

i cba pushing m+

gives me no sense of fulfillment

[ebon notch]

playing with likeminded people really helps

[oak sky]

@balmy condor he didnt even lose a cast of flag smh

[ebon notch]

and the title will be shiny too

[limber lion]

damn the tier set feels good to play

[ebon notch]

i was 249 ilvl with no daggers

[balmy condor]

Daps log inflated cause his p3 only lasts 5 minutes

[oak sky]

its actually 5:40

[ebon notch]

NOT THIS AGAIN BRO

its not 6 mins thats for sure

[bleak sky]

but the title

[oak sky]

its 5:40

log confirmed

[ebon notch]

ye

[hollow river]

L

[bleak sky]

k good point

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

ill let you guess why i missed a flag cast in prog

someone was spreading propaganda

[ebon notch]

you got parried

[balmy condor]

Arrow?

[ebon notch]

no wait you you were telling me how you sync every cast or smth

werent you

[oak sky]

yeah we were both fried af

about

[ebon notch]

i didnt do that

you told me to

[oak sky]

ik

[ebon notch]

and i was like "sus"

[oak sky]

after you told me it was 5min

[limber lion]

welp

[oak sky]

which made everything confusing

[limber lion]

less thinking and more slamming on cooldown

[oak sky]

exactly

[ebon notch]

thats what i was doing

[oak sky]

i fixed it on our rekill

[ebon notch]

big brain

[oak sky]

i did like 500 extra dps

[ebon notch]

i remember him going "ye sync em bro"

then 5 mins later

sry 5 mins 40

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

"bruh dont do that it doesnt work"

[oak sky]

i somehow had the idea that the phase was 4:30

🤦‍♂️

[limber lion]

never sync so I get to enjoy all the r1's next patch as well

[ebon notch]

ok thats actual deep fried

[ebon notch]

as if ur coming back

no shot

[oak sky]

lol im gonna have gear for prog this time

good luck cev

😈

[limber lion]

yeh you got me

[balmy condor]

Mr 4 ruptures rollin into the state fair with his deep fryer

[ebon notch]

just do that thing where you busk on stream for donations between pulls

[ebon notch]

at least im not nf like someone else we know 👀

[balmy condor]

Who do we know that plays it unironically

[limber lion]

Yeh that would be cringe

[ebon notch]

???

[oak sky]

theres this one great push competitor

[ebon notch]

@oak sky he doesnt know

[balmy condor]

Zerocool?

[ebon notch]

the man the myth the legend

the rumoured new CF of RH

[limber lion]

the one who never talks in here?

[ebon notch]

i heard we were gonna have our own nf assa channel

[oak sky]

we actually arent sure if he played it in great push but he definitely did it on live

[balmy condor]

Zerocool does not even reserve an ounce of my brain

[ebon notch]

rent free for sure

[oak sky]

he lives in mine rent free

[glass tulip]

who is zerocool

[ebon notch]

banned

[oak sky]

its over

[ebon notch]

come back when ru cultured

[glass tulip]

[balmy condor]

Thank god

[bleak sky]

the king of dashing scoundrel in keys

[ebon notch]

zerocool is me if i actually did all the dumb shit i said

[oak sky]

^

[balmy condor]

Zerocool is rank 1 sin raider.io cause no one plays the spec

[ebon notch]

and was also somehow successful

[bleak sky]

nf dashing scoundrel

[balmy condor]

And his feelcraft is off the fucking charts

[bleak sky]

i mean 3k is still pretty good right

idk the guy tho

[limber lion]

and good at the game

[balmy condor]

Yes but not because his feelcraft is close to correct

All zerocool shows is that you can be successful playing wrong

[ebon notch]

oooook bud

im fucking

im rising

[limber lion]

maybe in the prot pala world

[ebon notch]

this bait was perfect

[oak sky]

yeah it really was

[ebon notch]

im still so proud

[ebon notch]

multi spec talent

what can i say

[limber lion]

people used to do that in Legion

Where they used FoK at max-1 every time

kinda cringe tech

[oak sky]

he was rage baiting me

it worked because hes said dumb shit before

[ebon notch]

never

[oak sky]

[ebon notch]

[balmy condor]

Dapspman would never say dumb shit

[oak sky]

dap the shadow priest man!

never!

[slow marsh]

that's my job

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

Can confirm

Iceblade is master baiter

[oak sky]

find some chatlogs of the first time he mentioned duskwalkers

or mastery

or night fae

[ebon notch]

i swear envenom pandemic window is fucked

it feels so fucking short now

i cant just sit in it and pool anymore

[balmy condor]

Yeh for sure bud

That’s why when I asked if you had any proof you said not yet

And then didn’t say anything about for months

[ebon notch]

yeah because id need video evidence from before and after

and i couldnt get enough to be convincing

so i had to drop it

[balmy condor]

Wdym before and after

[ebon notch]

before when it felt good

and after when it felt bad

[balmy condor]

If it’s not pandemicing properly it’s not pandemicing properly

[ebon notch]

fucky wucky

[oak sky]

definitely a dashing bug

remove dashing

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

dashing gives us so much energy that we overcap and it makes envenom pandemic wrong

[ebon notch]

20% more energy pog

[oak sky]

which is why the mfd build is better

because the sims say

that it makes us not overcap

because of these things + vigor

[ebon notch]

im still hyped for obed duskwalker

no matter how much of a grouch @oak sky is

[oak sky]

return to zoldyck

[ebon notch]

maybe the play is toxic onslaught duskwalkers

maximise vendetta uptime

[oak sky]

thats not how that works

well

AR

wait

this is it

you found it

[ebon notch]

NEW TECH ALERT

[oak sky]

@balmy condor why isnt daps muted yet

[thorny pond]

Daps comes in, reads what me and Cev talked about weeks ago and passes it off as his own smh

[ebon notch]

implying i can read

smh

abliest

[oak sky]

too busy tank braining

[ebon notch]

i cant spell

[thorny pond]

Daps, Nyalotha is over

[ebon notch]

i didnt play in that cursed expansion

[thorny pond]

TO is fine, sepsis is not. It should benefit from several of our spec abilities but it does not. I also wish the CD was baseline 1min

[glass tulip]

sepsis rogue can peak at 30k on MotS first boss

easy

does dam -> no need for rework

[ebon notch]

thats why zerocool was doing 8.5k overall in mists 27

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

Bro what

He’s trolling right

No shot he’s serious

[ebon notch]

who me or him

[balmy condor]

Zero

You know

Maybe he’s still thinking it’s season 1

With prideful

Where nightfae was good

[oak sky]

its good because of korayn

[balmy condor]

He just hasn’t updated his game

[ebon notch]

his claim was that he had to open the doors and the seeds

thats why he was lower dps

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

I mean he probably loses the least from picking a shitty covenant

[balmy condor]

Melee dps sent to do doors

[limber lion]

So they just bruteforce him to pick NF so he can be their bitch

[balmy condor]

This literally doesn’t make it better

[ebon notch]

im pretty sure he was the only nf in the group also lmao

cant remember

[limber lion]

yeah probably

that's exactly why

he 100% wouldn't be nf if someone else was

[oak sky]

so many classes can play nf and be fine

[slow marsh]

I would imagine if you are stuck with a specific comp then it might make sense to have the rogue flex pick

covs

esp if playing sin

[balmy condor]

he plays it because he’s forced into it by group not because he’s a feelycraft clown

[limber lion]

sin bad anyways

[oak sky]

i saw him talking about it before 9.1.5

[slow marsh]

well yeah obviously he's a clown kekw

[oak sky]

he seemed serious

[balmy condor]

Man does not care for sims

[oak sky]

ct in single target

[slow marsh]

Imagine if he played necro tho

and instantly gained like 5k overall

would he still deny the sims

probably

[oak sky]

does he hate necro

[balmy condor]

Usually the way it goes with sim deniers is the same way it goes with any conspiracy theory

You bend reality until it matches your perception

[slow marsh]

tru

like DH and windfury

[ebon notch]

one day avade will release his secret sims

and we'll know just how wft gave dhs 700 dps

[balmy condor]

avade is a high end raider

he must know something we don't

[ebon notch]

gimme that dose of truthium into my veins

[slow marsh]

that was so dumb how he pulled that off

[balmy condor]

limit lost rwf because they didn't believe in rogue

[ebon notch]

"see what you gotta do is just add extra numbers here and here and boom, its an increase"

"max you see what im seeing right?"

[slow marsh]

i believe max said that if rogues would've gotten dom set then they would've taken them instead

[balmy condor]

he didn't believe enough

[jaunty steeple]

did Echo have rogue(s) on 1st kill?

[slow marsh]

this rwf was just a big shit show

[fading wigeon]

I can't wait to never talk about dom sets ever again

Dom*

[slow marsh]

No they had rogues for a while on sylv

[jaunty steeple]

[slow marsh]

then swapped out for something idr what

[ebon notch]

no they had a druid

[balmy condor]

feral druid

[ebon notch]

who was their 2nd rogue

who mained druid but was playing rogue cause of dom sockets

they tried it out for more ST but found out they lost more damage by not having an innervate and losing iqds in p3 for the balance druids

[slow marsh]

TBH their melee group was nuts

3 arms wars with full sets + windfury

[red plaza]

I remember feeling big sad for one of echo’s rogues because he was sat for not getting dom shards

[slow marsh]

everyone was sat for no dom shards lol

[red plaza]

It was Perfecto I think

[ebon notch]

ye

[balmy condor]

I wasn't

[ebon notch]

he travelled all the way to the studio with them

and didnt get dom shards so couldnt play

at least he got to do interviews and shit

[slow marsh]

it was such a shitty rwf

then stack the poor raid tuning on top of that

[red plaza]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PerfectoWoW/status/1415680372612886543

Perfecto (@PerfectoWoW)

I just went back to my hotel room and I cried like a fucking bitch, man. Grown ass man. The people saying devs shouldn’t be making the game with us in mind are absolutely correct, but I’ve been in the RWF for more than 10 years and I’ve never had to deal with bullshit 1/2

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Twitter · Jul 15, 2021, 2:31 PM

[slow marsh]

yeah that's why i'm wondering how they are gonna roll out tier sets if they aren't doing tokens

Should be fine since normal + heroic + mythic

[untold nest]

gonna be interesting to see for sure

[arctic walrus]

👉 🖐️

[slow marsh]

instead of just 1 / boss any difficulty

[limber lion]

I mean the effect is the same regardless of difficulty

[balmy condor]

🌶️ 👐

[limber lion]

And you can get it from multiple sources anyways

[slow marsh]

ye that's what i mean it should be fine

[untold nest]

Blizzard learns from their mistakes, no way they gonna do same mistake again right?

[slow marsh]

the issue with dom shards were the 1 / boss thing

[limber lion]

M+ vault a well

[slow marsh]

so stupid

[limber lion]

Yeh

[ebon notch]

i cant believe theres no fucking catch up for embers

i want to raid on my alts stop fucking me blizzard

[limber lion]

Tier sets have worked for years, so as long as they copy-paste the design from 5 years ago, we'll be fine

[slow marsh]

ye plus not being able to clear week 1 anyways makes it a bit better

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor @gusty mirage i dont know what that emote means but you guys need help

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

[untold nest]

xD

[limber lion]

[red plaza]

The last time tier sets were around though there was master loot

[ebon notch]

whisp got hit by 1 too many bowling balls

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Big true

[balmy condor]

[jaunty steeple]

what the hell is going here

to horny jail, all of you

[gusty mirage]

bonk me daddy

[slow marsh]

plz news on tuesday

dead channel is dead

[jaunty steeple]

[gusty mirage]

[jaunty steeple]

who am I kidding

free the hornys

[balmy condor]

keep the human race going

[oak sky]

DonkSex

sex enabled r word banned

🤔

[ebon notch]

SORRY GUYS ARE WE STRAYING OFF TOPIC

THATS ILLEGAL

TAKL MORE ABOUT POISONS AND DAGGERS AND SHIT

[balmy condor]

put a rubber on this dagger so I don't poison you sheeeeeeesh I have hpv

[ebon notch]

its ok cause you wont ever spread it to anyone else

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

I am vaccinated but will never need it

[hollow river]

s*x

[jaunty steeple]

fr tho

[thorny pond]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[jaunty steeple]

I'm gonna go ham on alts next tier if it's even slightly more alt-friendly than fucking SoD with the goddamn embers

[fading wigeon]

I have been a degenerate with four alts this tier. I'm scared for my family if they go alt friendly next patch

[jaunty steeple]

prot/hpala looking juicy as all fuck

[bronze pike]

join the necrolords :) embrace 70+% uptime on wings

[oak sky]

ret looking nice

[jaunty steeple]

Divine Toll tho

honestly one the most satisfying spells in the game tbh

[bronze pike]

hat is true

very true

i hope we get dt next epansion for ret

[steel geyser]

much like sepsis

[bronze pike]

ret is amazing next patch

[jaunty steeple]

I really do hope that they make some of the covenant spells into talents in general in next expac

in general, not just rogue

[oak sky]

convoke

[balmy condor]

sinful hysteria

[oak sky]

no

[balmy condor]

PI

kindred spirits

[oak sky]

no KA please

[balmy condor]

ashen hollow

[oak sky]

hallow

idiot

[balmy condor]

no

like ashen @pallid bough

[oak sky]

oh good

then we dont have paladin op next expac

[jaunty steeple]

guess I should rephrase

[oak sky]

weapons of order!

[jaunty steeple]

some of the cool covenant spells

[pallid bough]

yes me

[jaunty steeple]

Hallow can go fuck itself

as can Conjoke

just like the stuff that's cool for your own self

maybe flag/ER for rogue

[oak sky]

dk slappy hands

[balmy condor]

flag sbs and er all baseline for rogue

[jaunty steeple]

all the giga CDs can eat a dick

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

that would

be so fun

er is a good ability its just not great on us

flag is a nice 2nd cd

sbs is some multidot shit

👍

me likey

[jaunty steeple]

feel like the game shouldn't have any DPS CDs longer than 3 mins, and Venth Boomie shouldn't be 3 mins

[oak sky]

army

so cool

[jaunty steeple]

basically, fuck CDs that are TOO impactful

army is a separate case, I'll give you that

but covenant stuff I mean

[oak sky]

its like literally just ashen and meta then

[balmy condor]

outlaw rogue playing ghostly, maintaining bte, not overcapping sbs, finishing on er combo point while hitting mfd during flag before hitting dreadblades, overcapping energy, dumping it on pistol shot procs before using blade rush to get the energy back

[oak sky]

🤤

no they should all be talents or something

but we can still say

fuck night fae

[balmy condor]

sepsis trash ability bro

to trash legendary

[ebon notch]

Bro imagine if we had a ravenous frenzy type cov ability

[jaunty steeple]

[ebon notch]

We get to the end of the ramp, shiv, then try and shit out as many stupid strong envenoms as we could

[jaunty steeple]

fuck gigantic 3 min CDs

I'm a 1-2 min CD believer

[oak sky]

sin rogue ramp is gonna be the 10.0 rework

give us a ramp

no wait feral is a druid make it feral

tbh boomie already naturally ramps a little

with starsurges

do feral like that

make us op some other way

[jaunty steeple]

feral is just a shit rogue

[oak sky]

[jaunty steeple]

I just hope there aren't too many damage stops and/or forced intermissions next tier

[oak sky]

i bet there are 0

[clever kindle]

mr ybarra

[jaunty steeple]

[oak sky]

he probably doesnt decide that

ion and morgan day

[jaunty steeple]

we can cope

[clever kindle]

its not j allen brack though, so net positive

[oak sky]

or we can use facts and logic

[clever kindle]

[oak sky]

Raid Design: Sepulcher of the First Ones
They always try to not repeat mistakes from one raid to another, using "Tomb of Soakgeras" as an example of a failure in design that they dont want to repeat.
They feel like in SoD raid teams are strategizing too much around the availability of raid cooldowns (or having to hold cds), and that falls on the same level of design failure as soaking was in Tomb.
Regarding the length of Sylvanas' encounter, they wanted to tell a story with end bosses and given Sylvanas' history with WoW as a whole, they had a lot they wanted to get across. They knew from the get go it would be a long fight. They felt like it was a good opportunity to do that on Sylvanas, but no fights in the Sepulcher should last that long.
There is a flight network within Sepulcher, and the raid is competition for being the biggest raid size-wise in WoW history. They want to convey the grandiose of raiding the place where entire afterlives are created. Flight networks are unlocked as you defeat bosses and these will reset when the raid is reset, but shortcuts are being planned.
On boss timegating, the Anduin encounter itself could be the end boss of every other raid in WoW and the encounter is supposed to be super epic. They want the timegating to serve as a breather for history reasons, and they also feel the majority of the playerbase won't be affected by the timegating. They want to use this opportunity to try something special with storytelling.
Still being discussed (not decided yet), but there are plans to not test the final bosses at all on the PTR.
They want to focus on delivering a quality raid with no bugs so a lot of ongoing discussion on making that happen

👍

facts and logic