I think it'll be ep/subt/vigor early then once we get itemized haste gear it'll go deeper
#assassination
slow marsh
gusty mirage
I was energy capped for like 10s straight
limber lion
gusty mirage
oak sky
were you vigor oxi 
gusty mirage
were you vigor oxi <:logs:585734084232347648>
no mfd
limber lion
No
slow marsh
why am i questing wtf
balmy condor
Another tier of sub then I guess
limber lion
Literally no reason to do quests
limber lion
Another tier of sub then I guess
Yup
oak sky
Another tier of sub then I guess
restive falcon
night fae time?
slow marsh
outlaw also looks really good early
oak sky
idk
gusty mirage
outlaw also looks really good early
4pc is kaka
gusty mirage
Can i craft the new all covenant lego on ptr?
no, it's locked behind the campaign
slow marsh
4pc is kaka
ofc but it might be a minute before 4p anyways
oak sky
but not energy capped
slow marsh
and the tier is the same you just swap spec so might be nice
plush isle
what are the findings from the PTR, sub seems to be pretty good, Sin underwhelming as expected or does at least the 4 set boni feel nice ?
slow marsh
we actually are looking kinda sussy for early prog esp with our 2p being what it is
limber lion
Feels decent, but we're not sure of the numbers quite yet
gusty mirage
yeah
limber lion
The 2p is getting reworked/buffed so that's good.
gusty mirage
his testing dummy was me, an actual dumby
limber lion
We'll be waiting for that
gusty mirage
so many scuffed attempts 
coarse tusk
did a blue confirm the 2p rework?
limber lion
:p
oak sky
plush isle
did a blue confirm the 2p rework?
Only Whispyr
slow marsh
wehre tf are the training dummies in orib
gusty mirage
wehre tf are the training dummies in orib
there aren't any
oak sky
nowhere
gusty mirage
go to your covenant hall or org
oak sky
go sinfall
slow marsh
o rip
limber lion
Have you even played the game
gusty mirage
Jeez
limber lion
How do you not know
gusty mirage
Cev chose violence while he lays in bed
slow marsh
no im new
limber lion
cobalt pelican
there usually is on the ptr isn't there
by the org port
or is that only the TOURNAMENT RELM
gusty mirage
<:askekk:826249983430492180>
what is this cursed emote
slow marsh
or is that only the TOURNAMENT RELM
this is what i got mixed up
gusty mirage
or is that only the TOURNAMENT RELM
only TR afaik
fleet anchor
Dummies in oribos?
Do Bolvar and Jaina count? 🤣
cobalt pelican
eSports only
limber lion
Do Bolvar and Jaina count? 🤣
oak sky
idk im sold on ep deeper
limber lion
what is this cursed emote <:LULW:759236534611607562>
It's a beauty
gusty mirage
Bolvar eats riven debris damage for breakfast lunch and dinner
so def at least 1 dummy
oak sky
im gonna become the new joker of the assassination channel
shilling ep/deeper until sims come out
😈
gusty mirage
ep/deeper was going to be the play before the dom shards shook things up
so thanks for that revelation columbo
😛
at the end of 9.0 whispyr said "Hope y'all are ready for EP/DS"
slow marsh
shilling ep/deeper until sims come out
wym i been ep/ds a long time ago
hollow river
shilling ep/deeper until sims come out
Oh you’re not the only one
oak sky
btw i havent noticed any energy over cap with either ep/mfd or ep/ds
hollow river
😈
hollow river
Sick
oak sky
i think mfd being free made me feel a little closer to overcap though
limber lion
You will definitely overcap with lust
oak sky
oh yeah
with lust
and mfd
100%
with deeper it feels like less of an issue since you generate more
oak sky
idk if thats an actual dps gain compared to mfd flag stacks or not just an observation
oak sky
sure
balmy condor
You will definitely overcap with lust
2 set: shiv now quadruples venomous wounds
oak sky
i already said i didnt notice significant overcap with either when i was testing
limber lion
2 set: shiv now quadruples venomous wounds
oak sky
just mfd felt slightly more energy heavy
hollow river
limber lion
Yeh
hollow river
Why
balmy condor
Surprise
slow marsh
yeah CT during shiv
limber lion
You'll never Env again during Vend
hollow river
balmy condor
CT during shiv
slow marsh
just env to keep snd up
balmy condor
balmy condor
Bruh
slow marsh
it almost does more dam than rupture how sad is that
limber lion
@balmy condor do you have a list of stuff to sim when tier sets get implemented?
hollow river
limber lion
Gonna be a long stream
balmy condor
I have some stuff on my white board yeh
hollow river
balmy condor
Right now I need to work on finishing my content
hollow river
If we use dusk and Obe it should be <30 every time
limber lion
Have to add the extra gar/rup overlaps toward the end of vend on the apl
hollow river
slow marsh
Have to add the extra gar/rup overlaps toward the end of vend on the apl
idk if this is gonna stay. seems unintended to me
oak sky
exsang felt really bad
balmy condor
idk if this is gonna stay. seems unintended to me
Currently is considered a bug
limber lion
idk if this is gonna stay. seems unintended to me
It is, they asked for feedback about it.
slow marsh
figured
oak sky
your damage outside cds was doggers
balmy condor
Exsang does less damage during vendetta than alacrity
balmy condor
You clowns
oak sky
yeah thats true too
slow marsh
and it's less sustained
oak sky
alacrity in intermission 💤
hollow river
alacrity in intermission 💤
hollow river
I’ve held up alacrity during sylv intermission over 400 times now
Literal sleep tier content
slow marsh
well garrote is clearly our new highest damaging ability so there's that
hollow river
slow marsh
on it lol
slow marsh
yeah idk doesn't seem to do nearly as much as the empowered garrotes
spice spire
its definitely bad
I was about say
In what I’ve seen
Subterfuge outclassed
But Gang
What if
Master assassin legendary
oak sky
what if deeper+ NS was possible
slow marsh
that sounds amazing one sec
lethal saffron
venom rush meta
limber lion
yeah idk doesn't seem to do nearly as much as the empowered garrotes
You'd play NS with MFD
spice spire
That’s too meme even for me
limber lion
And always use MFD Ruptures
slow marsh
ye the mfd rup
spice spire
Venom rush that is
lethal saffron
what if they buff it by 100%
oak sky
middle row talent time fellas
limber lion
2222221 gamers
nimble tartan
lol
last imp
should i go doomblade or obedience for cloak?
hollow river
should i go doomblade or obedience for cloak?
Obedience
oak sky
dashing or obedience rn
last imp
hollow river
Dashing can be good too
But you can sim yourself
To know for sure what’s better for you atm
last imp
ye
hollow river
Leggo can change based on your gear and ilvl n whatnot
slow marsh
Well I'm done with my fiddling around
balmy condor
Well I'm done with my fiddling around
So like, me next?
slow marsh
Yeah sure why not
obtuse robin
So like, me next?
yea stream it to
void carbon
Why does everyone say for venthyr sin rogue to use the mad duke soul bind but night blade sims higher dps for me?
balmy condor
yea stream it to
obtuse robin
balmy condor
Why does everyone say for venthyr sin rogue to use the mad duke soul bind but ni...
Because thrill seeker is a shit soulbind trait that procs terribly
hollow river
no ptr stream whispyr? ):
balmy condor
and sims don’t account for crit tea
slow marsh
and stream what tho
it's not worth it until after they change our tier and we get double leggo imo
balmy condor
They average the teas out
hollow river
testing the tier?
void carbon
and sims don’t account for crit tea
I didn’t know that about the tea
slow marsh
after messing with it for the last couple hours it's not anything to write home about. it's less burst than we currently have and less damage in between
balmy condor
It’s way higher
hollow river
it's not worth it until after they change our tier and we get double leggo imo
nah idk bout that i'd be watchin fo sho
less burst?
how tf
slow marsh
Yeah everyone talking about how it could be really bursty but it's just not really
I mean compared to the rest of our damage sure but meh
It's all subt garrote inside of vendetta
hollow river
hollow river
obtuse robin
ok that was cute
clever kindle
do I bother trying to reroll haste tea
void carbon
Should I use phantom fire or the agility pot
slow marsh
agi
void carbon
Oh I’ve been using phantom fire
rancid bloom
hey guys
void carbon
Should I use oil or the stones
rancid bloom
im new to assa rouge, and was wondering which leggo to craft
slow marsh
double stone
rancid bloom
there are a lot of options
slow marsh
obedience
rancid bloom
i personally liked the sound of doomblade
slow marsh
I'd highly recommend going with obedience since you'll have to learn how to use it for next patch anyways
and it's tied with dashing for 1/2
balmy condor
gonna have to recraft it tho
rancid bloom
is vent best? im enjoying necro atm
balmy condor
slow marsh
ik
balmy condor
necro is a dead covenant next patch
slow marsh
free from the cloak leggo at last
rancid bloom
ohh
balmy condor
their covenant legendary is terrible
rancid bloom
yeah yeah
limber lion
Pack your bags
rancid bloom
double leggo '
plush isle
energy gain on vendetta feels pretty nice
limber lion
Can't wait to play around with it a bit
Hopefully 2p gets reworked sooner than later
hollow river
does torghast have a lockout
no
last imp
alright so i guess the true lockout is how many times doing torghast in a row will it take to make ela lose their mind
last imp
oh jesus
limber lion
Spamming t9 ain’t too bad
rancid bloom
yeah
simple rivet
am i going to be venthyr for another year
limber lion
Yes
last imp
i’m not doing mort’regar again
simple rivet
last imp
i’m so glad i get to stay venthyr i love the aesthetic
i woulda gone venthyr regardless of which ability is best tbh
slow marsh
I would've liked to have been able to have even one option like we generally have in the past but oh well
limber lion
I’m tired of Venthyr
whole mason
But Venthyr is great
indigo mulch
golden basalt
personally really enjoying echoing reprimand, wouldn’t mind it being better for sin though
Anything but NF 
limber lion
Me either
golden basalt
I would like it if AR and ShB were activated on sepsis cast rather than expiration
whole mason
The only thing I dont like about Venthyr is that flag does not give cp
hollow river
If Celerity was baked into AR then it would be good
just wear Celerity 
golden basalt
whole mason
For AR, I think it is outdated for some reason. Energy generation is no longer that attractive.
hollow river
it works well on outlaw
because of all the CDR
but AR is good for sin too because
well we love energy generation
super PogO
whole mason
For sin to think about AR, it is fine since we still have V.
For outlaw, there is only AR, which is kind of a problem...
limber lion
Eh
hollow river
For outlaw, there is only AR, which is kind of a problem...
nah
limber lion
Whatchu mean
last imp
oh cev i tried playing with marked for death instead of vigor and i Can Not Understand it
hollow river
AR is fine
limber lion
We can think about AR just like Outlaw can think about Vendetta
It’s the same legendary lol
We don’t get AR from anything but TO
And To is bad
limber lion
oh cev i tried playing with marked for death instead of vigor and i Can Not Unde...
It’s really not that hard
whole mason
yea, for the legendary is ok, I was talking about AR itself.
last imp
i just need to get used to it i think but it’s weird not having the extra energy
limber lion
Hold every other mfd for flags
Lol.
You probs can’t tell the difference if I’m honest
Just some placebo
whole mason
the thing you love should be the energy cap
extra energy generation should not be that kind of noticable
strange python
My guild is starting on Sylv tonight, what are you guys running for soulbind trees? Seeing a lot of assass rogues running Nadjia over theo, is that due to low uptime on tubbins and gubbins?
Is thrill seeker better due to the nature of the fight
limber lion
My guild is starting on Sylv tonight, what are you guys running for soulbind tre...
Nadja for Sylv unkess Theo sims better
whole mason
thrill seeker is better due to you can control it
strange python
Which it does for me
whole mason
and Sylv is a typical timetable boss
limber lion
Yes, Nadja’s Thrill Seeker procs well on that fight
If Theo sims better, you can just stick to it
Doesn’t really matter honestly
whole mason
you will find yourself pressing exactly the same ability at the same time through ur progressing
well, almost exactly
hollow river
Nadja for Sylv unkess Theo sims better
Oh I thought we didn’t run Nadjia because it procs during intermissions
limber lion
Oh I thought we didn’t run Nadjia because it procs during intermissions
Lol.
hollow river
For sylv specifically
slow marsh
it procs at good times in p3
limber lion
It’s bad on like Painsmith
hollow river
I mean I run it on sylv anyway
limber lion
Just because there’s intermission doesn’t mean it’s bad
whole mason
From P1 to P2, you can try to kill exactly the number of mobs you want so that the proc happens for your flag in P3
limber lion
Depends on the fight
hollow river
Because I cba with Theo
slow marsh
Theo is the homie but yeah nadj is really good for sylv
strange python
Theo sims ahead for me by roughly 60 dps
limber lion
Just use Theo then
hollow river
Theo is side grade for me
strange python
but if the timings for thrill line up well later in the fight it probably makes the most sense to run it and get used to timings
limber lion
That’s quite a big upgrade
No
Just use Theo
Don’t overthink it
It doesn’t matter
slow marsh
@ me when your ep/mfd sims higher than bs/ds tho
limber lion
Good luck!
whole mason
No, 60dps is nothing for Slyv compared to proc line up in P3
hollow river
oak sky
whole mason
you can line up at least two
hollow river
whole mason
and for the fight of Slyv, in time P1 and P2 does not matter that much anymore, most likely you're going to stop dps for P1 and for P2 your real contribution is the two window attacking her
and if you're going left on second split, you need to contribute on that golem
whole mason
not like that, this boss is pure timeline boss, you do it just as you're going to down it from the beginning
In addition, with the current patches, there is no dps pressure on chains anymore.
or lets say only little pressure
hollow river
oak sky
if theotar sims higher you are likely to do more damage to the boss with theotar
limber lion
I think you’re giving soulbinds too much value
All this minmaxing shit is super pointless and useless for prog
What matters more is how you press your nuttons, when you press your buttons, how to avoid damage, how to maximize doing damage, etc.
obsidian ruin
will dashing even be close to doomblade with shards gone?
hollow river
will dashing even be close to doomblade with shards gone?
Yes it was close before shards
limber lion
will dashing even be close to doomblade with shards gone?
Not worth
Dashing 100% dead weight
hollow river
No u
dawn ivy
someone factory reset cev
hollow river
):
dawn ivy
hes broken again
hollow river
Agree
limber lion
I’m not joking.
oak sky
:?
dawn ivy
nani?!
oak sky
sure but no reason to go it
hollow river
Whispyr has been saying doom/dash/dusk
limber lion
4p gives us immense energy regen and dashing is mainly attractive because of regen
hollow river
Or am I going insane
oak sky
yeah dashing is close
dawn ivy
yeah
midnight vortex
from testing atm dusk>doom
dawn ivy
t...testing what
limber lion
Are ya’ll drunk
limber lion
every single assa legendary is close
dawn ivy
AM I DRUNK?
limber lion
They're all bad
dawn ivy
thats what we're saying
hollow river
So why is it dead ):
midnight vortex
even without double legendary from testing now for 3 hours dusk feels better than doom
limber lion
Because there's better alternatives
limber lion
Why would you play an inferior choice?
dawn ivy
because dashing feels faster
oak sky
ew
dawn ivy
please dont hit me
oak sky
stop
hollow river
dawn ivy
LOL
gray fjord
hollow river
Because
hollow river
scaling
limber lion
All of our legendaries will be within like 3% off each other
Fun fact
Obedience is 6%
Toxic Onslaught is 4%
And TO is deemed an absolute travesty
solemn mason
rip no ptr pins
dawn ivy
monkaS
golden basalt
Tmog terrible
limber lion
rip no ptr pins
Nothing crazy
golden basalt
its a long list
solemn mason
NF lore best in show tho
spice spire
Miss sbs already
hollow river
Sadge
oak sky
it does not can confirm did test
hollow river
What about SBS
midnight vortex
worth to play internal bleeding and kidney outside of shiv during vendetta u think?
hollow river
Or did I just hear the stories during 9.1 PTR about 9.0
hollow river
worth to play internal bleeding and kidney outside of shiv during vendetta u thi...
Doesn’t work on bosses does it
limber lion
Didn’t it revert on 9.1 ptr
Don't think so
There have been some issues here and there
limber lion
Again indirectly nerfing Exsang, sadge
hollow river
That’s what happens when you try to make an inifinite DoT expire 100% faster
void carbon
Has there been any testing with the new tear sets yet on the PTR
limber lion
Has there been any testing with the new tear sets yet on the PTR
Sure has
void carbon
Dang
rancid bloom
whats the stats for assas rouge
hollow river
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
void carbon
When you start on the PTR where do I get my tier set from
hollow river
If you check the wowhead post it says
I’m not sure tbh
Cev should know :0
I assume it’s a vendor in Oribos though
deft vault
limber lion
PTR testing summary:
2p: works as it should. Still very underwhelming, very likely that we will see some sort of rework/buff to it.
4p: Vendetta applies the exsanguinate effect to existing bleeds as well as any bleeds applied during Vendetta. Currently the bleeds retain their exsanguinate-effect even after Vendetta drops. This means that we will be looking to reapply garrote and rupture just before Vendetta runs out, even if the bleed is not in pandemic. This has been identified as a bug, so it's possible this gets fixed.
The 4p effect itself is looking decent, but nothing too insane. If we get some sort of buff to bleeds via the 2p bonus, then we'll likely be around the expected value of tier sets. The effect is pure single target for both 2p and 4p, so we're lacking quite a bit in the AoE department unfortunately.
Read more about Whispyr's thoughts about the current tier set here:
https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/rogue-9-2-tier-set-bonuses-guide-writer-first-impressions-325068
limber lion
:) just echoing the same stuff as everyone else
But people keep asking about it so might as well
drifting cloud
he has to prepare mentally for raid
drifting cloud
didnt whispyr all but confirm its getting reworked
limber lion
No
drifting cloud
oh just a bluepost
limber lion
Just waiting for a post about it actually happening
And if they have an idea on what to do
hollow river
is the snap shotting effect on the 4p not a dps gain
hollow river
so
limber lion
Of course
hollow river
they just copy pasted exsang code on the 4p
balmy condor
no
limber lion
That's why you refresh gar/rup at the end
hollow river
why is it a bug tho
limber lion
Wat
balmy condor
because it's not intended to snapshot
limber lion
It's intended to make bleeds expire faster during vend
Not after it as well
They should dynamically update to their longer durations
But they don't.
hollow river
how do you even fix something like that
reapplied bleeds at the end will go to the halved duration correct?
can they even fix that
balmy condor
bleed.double_duration```
pallid bough
If statements
hollow river
so it'd just increase the duration
pallid bough
hollow river
on the existing bleed
limber lion
You halve the duration during Vend
balmy condor
it would set it back to normal
hollow river
after Vend drops
balmy condor
yes
hollow river
weirdchamp
limber lion
Yeh
balmy condor
how is that weird
hollow river
idk because i've never seen anything like that i suppose?
limber lion
Sure you have
That's how Vendetta works already
It increases your damage by 30% for its duration
This is the same stuff
But instead of the word "increase damage"
It's "expires faster"
Which implies the same thing
Kind of
slow marsh
It just needs to change to being a dynamic increase to the bleeds instead of a static when applied in vendetta
limber lion
But in a different way
slow marsh
it's not a hard change
limber lion
Huh
hollow river
but i've just never seen anything like it
hollow river
sure
hollow river
what makes sense to you guys
jaunty steeple
double the remaining one
limber lion
hollow river
shrug
untold nest
But this has to do with coding in general?
slow marsh
ye
balmy condor
needing to reapply bleeds at the end of vendetta to snapshot is pretty janky gameplay
tbh
drifting cloud
well it does if its not supposed to snapshot last second applied bleeds
hollow river
needing to reapply bleeds at the end of vendetta to snapshot is pretty janky gam...
but i mean thats how exsang works too
i agree its janky
balmy condor
?
hollow river
but idk
limber lion
It doesn't though
hollow river
it doesn't?
balmy condor
that's not how exsang works at all
hollow river
i thought it snapshots
balmy condor
exsang you press and your bleeds are /2 durations *2 speed
hollow river
right
arctic hare
Apparently, according to sims, the Faulty Countermeasure trinket are NOICE
hollow river
so what's the point of doing that
balmy condor
this is you press and your bleeds are /2 durations and *2 speed, and then if you reapply at the end, and it drops, it's still /2 and *2
hollow river
ig i misunderstood the exsang snap shotting thing this whole time
since i've never used it
balmy condor
even after the exsang drops
oak sky
other things can extend snapshot tho iirc like feral
hollow river
but what is the point of snapshotting your existing bleeds with exsang then
oak sky
they do more dam
thorny pond
twice as fast to the bench
balmy condor
Double damage, half the time
same* damage
hollow river
twice the speed
limber lion
Same damage faster
balmy condor
yeh
hollow river
so it's literally just the mechanic of the ability
hollow river
is why it's called snapshotting
limber lion
No
hollow river
for some reason i thought "snapshotting with exsang" was like some way to do extra damage
than you would by just "using exsang"
drifting cloud
exsang would snapshot your haste value
limber lion
Yes, snapshotting is where you press an ability to get extra value for the entire duration
So if you have a trinket that gives you on use haste for 3s
drifting cloud
while normal bleeds work dynamic with haste
limber lion
You press it, then press exsang
You get that extra haste value for the entire duration of exsang
Not just the 3s
limber lion
Kinfa similar to like how Nightstalker works where you open from stealth with Rupture
And get a fully nutty rupture
oak sky
iirc like everything used to snapshot every stat and you could also extend the snapshot so like you could get a crit trinket on warlock and just have a shit ton of crit
correct?
pallid bough
Yes they removed that a long time ago
limber lion
Yeah, snapshotting used to be much much more populat back in the day
But they moved toward more dynamic gameplay
balmy condor
burning crusade type beat
limber lion
There are no extra bleed ticks or anything anymore
pallid bough
Nah it was still a thing in cata
pallid bough
Lmao
drifting cloud
balmy condor
burning crusade was closer to cata than we are to wod
so
suck my dick eat my ass fondle my balls
balmy condor
I wish man
limber lion
A full course meal
pallid bough
Stop being in p3 jail
balmy condor
pallid bough
Jesus
limber lion
Filthy KA
drifting cloud
no KA!
drifting cloud
I just didnt do rune
limber lion
Banned
drifting cloud
heck
oak sky
idk if im ever gonna see fatescribe again
drifting cloud
Im not sure you realize how fatescribe works
hollow river
Kinfa similar to like how Nightstalker works where you open from stealth with Ru...
yeah it just threw me off because exsang is just snapshotting your haste or whatever from when you press it, it's just a somewhat diff type of snapshot i suppose
whole mason
from testing atm dusk>doom
how much difference?
hollow river
and i've never seen it happen, or used it so i didn't know
drifting cloud
yeah exsang is just cursed
drifting cloud
I just wanted 1 log then ill hapilly spin runes till 9.2
oak sky
ye
drifting cloud
ive also somehow only killed the boss 3 times
drifting cloud
and sylvn 11? or 12
oak sky
i still have a top 100 on fate which is ok with me for now
drifting cloud
lmao
oak sky
lucky you
drifting cloud
dont worry I get the luck back on other bosses
oak sky
hopefully i can blast up a good sylv parse on monday
nocturne geode
duskwalkers on chest gonne be phat
oak sky
@drifting cloud we're only 7 spots apart
slow marsh
duskwalkers on chest gonne be phat
the phattist
nimble tartan
come na
rancid bloom
Is sub better than assas? Higher dps in st or aoe?
I’m having giga fun with assas but every 1 is sub
whole mason
depends on what you want to do?
bleak sky
To raid next tier or not <a:feelshmm:460332333178814464>
yes to both
marble trellis
They are super close also double mythic dagger is a big question
If you have it then sub might beat ssass on st but yeah
whole mason
in my guild, we have a 95 sub player, but he cannot beat me in Slyv P3 dmg. never
rancid bloom
depends on what you want to do?
It’s an alt for now, what’s the reason that can make me go sub
whole mason
it depends on what you really want. for Slyv, i cannot do too much on chain
rancid bloom
What’s the diff
whole mason
sub can be very versatile in a more intuitive way
whole mason
however, it does not mean sub is that kind of flexible.
rancid bloom
Yeah i should
I’ll play whichever more fun ig
But for raid assas is more dmg right
I mean that’s what i see
jaunty steeple
they're basically equal in raid
drifting cloud
I dont think all 3 specs have ever been as even as they are now
jaunty steeple
sub does probably have an edge over sin in M+
obtuse robin
sin better for prog
whole mason
sub gets more cp more easily in M+, while sin should get more energy but not that easily. imagine FoK applies some bleed gives us energy...
but of course, we get more cp with FoK as well, just not that reliable
quaint briar
Honestly when I was playing Assassination it always vexed me that CT didn't give energy like rupture or garrote.
simple stratus
It would be cool if ct had a stacking debuff so if you used it twice back to back it would give two bleed stacks of ct per mob hit etc
spice spire
Honestly when I was playing Assassination it always vexed me that CT didn't give...
It would make CT mandatory for almost any fight as the extra energy regen would be pretty nutty
quaint briar
Yeah, I know, but still the itch is always there. 😛
whole mason
@balmy condor gratz on Slyv
balmy condor
4 stygian ember
halcyon zealot
n i c e
jaunty steeple
grats
glass tulip
put the embers in the bag 
jaunty steeple
spice spire
I missed it because I was driving home? 
grats whispyr
slow marsh
@balmy condor speech?
balmy condor
I'd like to thank the sidewalk for always keeping me off the streets
arctic walrus
@dawn ivy sick lap pace
oak sky
So true
dawn ivy
haha my guild was having a raid discussion so i was just running around looking at journal
so hyped to be in a guild thats sweaty af like me
hollow river
where O:
slow marsh
Just practice for 10.0 when i go higher
SDS on thrall they were WR 400 or something on ally
hollow river
pog
twilit hollow
@slow marsh isn't root in that guild
oak sky
oh did your guild transfer to horde recently?
slow marsh
<@!409626135408803841> isn't root in that guild
no
oak sky
thats so cringe
slow marsh
oh did your guild transfer to horde recently?
na it's just a rando guild that xferred recently
slow marsh
thats so cringe
ikr
oak sky
na it's just a rando guild that xferred recently
thats what i meant
twilit hollow
SDS was a transfer from stormrage
slow marsh
yeah
oak sky
lack of history my dick
twilit hollow
i know a few of the raiders from there
slow marsh
there's a couple rogues in there currently but one is a bench player and the other is an ok sub player
eager river
sds 
slow marsh
sds <:monkaW:675691826505711626>
do you know
eager river
i know
arctic walrus
slavery despair sad
eager river
didnt they move again?
slow marsh
spill the beans unless its just memeing
arctic walrus
well they're horde now shadow so there's that
eager river
yea i meant after thrall
slow marsh
All I know is they killed sylv on stormrage and then xferred horde to thrall
then had to reprog or something
there's some weird story so idk if it's fishy or legit
twilit hollow
its always a mix of the two
slow marsh
Like it seems to me like it's a legit story but then they make it seem weird
I just don't want to xfer again and then end up looking for guild again
pallid bough
I got denied from multiple guilds (over 30 guilds) because lack of logs on Rogue (was forced to play Hunter for CN) and my old guild wasnt letting me bring my rogue for reclears after CE to parse. Now I am slamming 90-99s with a normal sylv dagger @slow marsh
slow marsh
I got denied from multiple guilds (over 30 guilds) because lack of logs on Rogue...
Yeah i'm not sweating it
eager river
oh they name changed
slow marsh
It was WR 183 guild that denied me cuz no history so it's understandable i guess even though it's still cringe
slow marsh
oh they name changed
It's still SDS they just private log so it's hard to find them
yeah that's whwo i was talkin gto
eager river
slavery despair sad
Greatly Exaggerated is their guild now
twilit hollow
SDS namechanged after transfer ya
slow marsh
cringe
arctic walrus
crazy
slow marsh
SDS namechanged after transfer ya
weird they are still sds. must've been a split then
You guys are making me sus of this guild i'm joining lol
lethal turtle
I can’t even tell you the name of any ability in the last 4 tiers
I can describe what they look like and what they do
last imp
got my legendary finally
slow marsh
just chill with them for a while get some logs and gear and if u dont like move ...
tru
dawn ivy
You guys are making me sus of this guild i'm joining lol
do what agreon said, not be rude but in that guild range you can hop guilds EXTREMELY quickly the instant you have semi decent logs
slow marsh
idk i mean they're a lot better than my last guild and the other guild i trialed for and got denied so
dawn ivy
and you can find your perfect guild
slow marsh
yee
arctic walrus
I can’t even tell you the name of any ability in the last 4 tiers
🤨
slow marsh
do what agreon said, not be rude but in that guild range you can hop guilds EXTR...
na it's not being rude at all. this my first time really trying to push so idk wtf i'm doing
dawn ivy
right now is a really good period to get some 80-90 logs and you can get into a guild whos actually wanting to reach the same goals as you
lethal turtle
@arctic walrus
dawn ivy
guilds are looking for people right now a few™️ weeks before the patch is coming out
arctic walrus
are you new here? we have guides if you need help getting started, can also review logs if you feel yourself struggling
main blaze
when you say weeks I think you mean months
dawn ivy
™️ ™️
dawn ivy
why would that be weird
arctic walrus
aight investing in being humbled 3 weeks into the tier I see you
we both know you're about to be vengeance dps spec
lethal turtle
I already told josh I’m quitting dh
slow marsh
right now is a really good period to get some 80-90 logs and you can get into a ...
ye my logs are good already i think i just need sylv kill and get my purpy parse for that to seal the deal
Yee my biggest issue is time tbh not parses
and apparently not having pre SL history
ripe rapids
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
slow marsh
Sup
slow marsh
nice the KT trink is kinda buns lol
brazen zodiac
yeah :C
dusk cave
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
hollow river
gratz man
sonic schooner
op
fading wigeon
what do you guys do on balls, just throw up a garrote and rupture?
fading wigeon
ok thank you
bitter aurora
Is that from the legendary alone or with externals like faerie
hollow river
you can get more CDR from Obe than 30sec
but idk how that'd pan out for sin idk if it's possible
slow marsh
Yeah but not 50%
oak sky
Why without vanish
Vanish is pretty important
Ur also not a robot
We have to wait a little bit and see lmao
But yeah sin will probably be pretty good with a better 2 set
Yeah thats always the case
oak sky
People say shit like that every balance patch
balmy condor
it's not currently
oak sky
I saw so many people talk about abandoning rogue the day of datamining
Its always stupid to make any conclusions before release candidate
Any definite conclusions*
Sin has 2 decent leggos and so does outlaw
Actually outlaw has a couple
6% 6% isnt tiny compared to most classes its just a little below average
slow marsh
I saw so many people talk about abandoning rogue the day of datamining
Yeah this is dumb
oak sky
I was looking through and most classes seem to be hovering in 8-10 range with a few outliers
fathom swift
our 2 set is getting reworked
did they confirm
balmy condor
yes
fathom swift
pog
oak sky
Also keep in mind that our baseline damage without all this borrowed power is pretty high from 9.0.5 etc
nocturne geode
so much copium in here
oak sky
Its not doomed
balmy condor
it'll at least get buffed hard
slow marsh
Yes I'm sorry to the invisible devs that I always shit on I guess you are the real rogues after all
nocturne geode
just remember legion paladin
slow marsh
I think the sub is fine imo
nocturne geode
we will never be that
oak sky
Uhhhh
slow marsh
Uncapped btw
oak sky
I mean a couple classes could already do over 100k in aoe
slow marsh
I say just throw it all out the window it's the final patch right
inland garnet
Id call it disgusting if Wind Walker wouldnt be like it is right now
hexed frost
So this is my state right now. DS+BS is theoretically better for me. You saying that i should tweak the fight lengths or use EP/MFD for council style fights?
balmy condor
So this is my state right now. DS+BS is theoretically better for me. You saying...
you only play ds bs on guardian
everything else doesn't lend itself useful to it
thorny pond
You’re going to be hard pressed to not EP then Vig or MFD
slow marsh
My ep/MfD sims higher than Bs ds for st now
bleak sky
Same, long live EP/MFD
arctic walrus
My ep/MfD sims higher than Bs ds for st now
Link
last imp
i got a second edge of night just now 
gloomy knoll
pandemic 4 pc is fun
arctic walrus
Oh I thought your gear would be better then this
versed mica
I was waiting on the forum post to update it
Does this mean its confirmed whispyr knows who the blizzard mole is? 
oak sky
i sim around 11400 with ep/mfd and 11450 with bs/ds
arctic walrus
Need phial 😑
arctic walrus
I simmed higher than you in 9.0 🙂
versed mica
why does everyone here play blood elf i stg
balmy condor
cause belf racial is the best
versed mica
lmao how
versed mica
I mean yeah crit % but a tiny bit of energy every 2 mins is liek nothing
drifting cloud
Ive never been belf on rogue actually
balmy condor
idk I used belf like 7 times in mists yesterday
drifting cloud
you went to mists, L
balmy condor
yeah fuck me doing content
versed mica
7 whole times dayam
arctic walrus
you went to mists, L
Mop was bis wdym
drifting cloud
exactly, you know what I did yesterday? I farmed sl fishing to 200
balmy condor
7 whole times dayam
yeah and you know what it did, caused us to not wipe
slow marsh
Oh I thought your gear would be better then this
Ouch
versed mica
SHIIIIIIIT
balmy condor
orc racial