assassination

[hollow river]

At the very least

[slow marsh]

Pain smith I insta MfD rup garrote an add then fan rupture one or two more

[hollow river]

Yep

[slow marsh]

Fate adds you should for sure gar rupt the tank add before it dies and focus more into boss. Then when little adds come out you bleed as many as you can until shiv is up or something

[torn frost]

So I’m venthyr is obedience Lego really best?

[slow marsh]

It can be yeah

It's super close with dashing though so it just depends on fight

[torn frost]

I did have the one that increased envelop dmg and poison I think

[junior rampart]

For m+ on fortified weeks, will zold gets better than obe?

[hollow river]

Yep

[torn frost]

Doom blade sorry I meant

[weak plover]

Zold is good for sin in m+ all the time

Except maybe low keys

[junior rampart]

Thank you

[strange python]

guys, going to open my chest

[hollow river]

Hush is right too

[strange python]

will I finally get after 9 resets my myth sylv dagger?

[hollow river]

Both are good though

[slow marsh]

Zold is always good but on tyran weeks it's usually obed

[hollow river]

Ye

[slow marsh]

No

[hollow river]

Especially if you have good aoe blasters

In your group

[strange python]

I think the same 🙂

[junior rampart]

I usually use obedience for both tyr and fort. I will try zold this week.

[hollow river]

Focus on the boss dam

[weak plover]

This!!

[hollow river]

It won’t matter much if you’re not pushing high keys

Tbh

18-20+

[weak plover]

I usually only pug though so I don't count on good aoe

[slow marsh]

You still won't have enough time to pump your dam before the monk blows it all up

[junior rampart]

I'm doing 18-20

[hollow river]

[weak plover]

I feel with zoldyck I can fill the gaps

[gusty mirage]

keep up the hope

this time for sure

[slow marsh]

No

No dagger

[junior rampart]

If we have aoe blasters better to use zold?

[slow marsh]

Nobody gets any more daggers until I get one and that's never gonna happen so

[weak plover]

Zold loses value if your group aoe is strong

[hollow river]

No

Obedience is better boss damage

[weak plover]

Because they will kill everything before you get benefit from execute window

[slow marsh]

Generally the only reason to play zold is if you're running Necro sin

[hollow river]

I mean that’s not super true

[slow marsh]

There's not much reason to not play obed if you're already venth

[hollow river]

But I’d still run Obe if the aoe blasters decimate stuff fast

[junior rampart]

I went to obe because of same reason.

[hollow river]

It if you’re running with aoe blasters

They probably suck at ST

[weak plover]

True true

[fallow otter]

you said my name? Reporting in

[hollow river]

It doesn’t matter how long of an execute window you have

30% of their health is 30% of their health

Whether that’s 3seconds or 10

[slow marsh]

Obed value just feels great if you're playing it right and using every minute on stuff that lives the duration

[hollow river]

You still get the same value

[hollow river]

This

[junior rampart]

Yes, I'm pretty much adjusted to it already.

But for higher keys above 20, would it matter?

[slow marsh]

It'd actually maybe favor obed even more because vers becomes more important in 20+ to avoid just getting one shot by stupid stuff

[gusty mirage]

jealousy is an ugly look on you

[balmy condor]

Oxi got shit on by obed earlier tbh

[gusty mirage]

its true

[slow marsh]

I have a lot of ugly looks lately

[balmy condor]

It was consensual though

[gusty mirage]

wait I think I ran obe too

[balmy condor]

You did

[gusty mirage]

it's because I didn't believe in the haste

[balmy condor]

We had the same haste

[gusty mirage]

yeah but I didn't believe in it

it felt it

[balmy condor]

True

[slow marsh]

Triple rogue keys when

[balmy condor]

The haste got angry

[balmy condor]

We did a double rogue tyrannical 23 theatre on tourney realm

It was not good

[slow marsh]

I can only wonder why

[balmy condor]

Well

Me oxi and a ww

Who doesn’t know how to play ww

[gusty mirage]

I shoulda just made a ww

tbh

[balmy condor]

And our healer is a feral main and doesn’t heal

[slow marsh]

So the ww didn't carry you guys is what you're actually saying

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

And our tank is our healer

Who doesn’t tank

[slow marsh]

That sounds like some troll stuff that GG scrapes together and calls content

[junior rampart]

Sure, thank you.

[gusty mirage]

I think we did wonderfully

[strange python]

....

I don't know if they plan to fix the fucking RNG on this shit system someday

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

not personal loot nor vault, week after week, 9 weeks today, how the fucking hell can I still geting the same and the same items, I just don't get it

I'm sorry for the vocabulary guys I'm just so tilted, I'll shut my mouth

[slow marsh]

Hey the sooner you accept it the sooner you can move on

I've yet to see any eon in lfr, normal or heroic in this long. It just is what it is

[obtuse robin]

[slow marsh]

Recruiter for guild asked "why haven't you played sub this tier? It's really good. Is it just because you don't have daggers?"

That one hurt a little

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[solid venture]

finally got blessed

[oak sky]

[quasi venture]

[obtuse robin]

[hexed frost]

11 weeks of doing 3/10M and 6/10H and not a single loot. Did 1/10M, 2/10H yesterday night and get sylv dagger. I hate this game so much with a passion.

[quasi venture]

Forget about daggers where tf is 252 phial

[hexed frost]

Have 246 phial

[bronze pike]

Heroic dagger> no dagger

[viscid schooner]

Everyone here is getting a eon, i hope i will have one to later todat

[spice spire]

[outer lotus]

[soft shale]

[fallen ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676501851411054652/915523058121441350/unknown.png that took quite long to get

fkin Phial my ass

[soft shale]

hmm

[spark scaffold]

Dagger is a myth

[thorny pond]

Mythic dagger takes mythic luck

[spark scaffold]

I'd be happy with even a heroic one

I'm 253 ilv and still using 2x 246 ones

Not even double sylv

[plush isle]

@spark scaffold 24 Kills never seen even one drop for other Rogues, 20 Vaults with HC Kills, i have every Item that Kel and Sylvanas Drops 4-5 Times already, now Progressing Sylv Mythic and i fear for 9.2, 4 Guildmates are now Gearing their Rogues to trade me One on Heroic but with my luck i wont get it this way either, you are not alone 😉

[spark scaffold]

Yeah for sure, there's a lot of people in this situation

[versed mica]

for mythic dungeons it offered me the exact same stuff except it was a different ring

[spark scaffold]

Just sucks that it's so impactful

[limber lion]

It's not though

Not for us

[versed mica]

Could be worse, you could have a normal sylv dagger and have a normal dagger outsim it

(me)

[limber lion]

Mythic dagger is impactful and gigs, the others are kinda whatever

252 daggers blow them out the park most od the time

[versed mica]

and yeah it's not a huge dps increase for sin either way

for outlaw tho

[tropic ocean]

does this

reduce vendetta? or which spell

[spice spire]

99% sure vendetta

[hollow river]

Yes vendetta

[tropic ocean]

so with multiple night fae priest i will have no vendetta cd or does it have some kind of exhaustion debuff like bl

[soft shale]

it only makes every sec count as two

so max cdr with full uptime is still 1 min

now if you play duskwalkers

it's another thing

[tropic ocean]

aaah

so with 2 priests its 30s?

[soft shale]

i dont think they stack do they?

maybe with nf pala

[tropic ocean]

ive no clue been a long time that I had a priest to play with

[limber lion]

They do not stack

You're way overthinking it

BF aint that great for us

It's probably the worst external

[hollow river]

What’s BF?

Pala blessing shit?

[limber lion]

Benevolent Faerie, NF priest

[strange python]

what would you say is better: 52% crit 22% haste 49% crit 25% haste? can't sim that is theo tea

[limber lion]

Sure you can

[timid cloud]

Bene faries griefs almost everyones CD's, the only time it's worth is on a Fire Mage in M+ usually.

[strange python]

oh really??

how can I sim the teas?

[spice spire]

You can, it’s in the sub faq

[limber lion]

#subtlety-faq message

[spice spire]

You add the haste and crit lines at the end of the sim

[strange python]

lol

tysm guys

[limber lion]

Np

[timid cloud]

You have to do it in the advanced sim one too.

[hollow river]

Oh I thought it was really good at least on sylv

[timid cloud]

Don't be a dingus like me & do it at the bottom...

[spice spire]

That’s what I mean at the end 😛

[limber lion]

Sylv is the only fight where it's decent

[spice spire]

My bad, I should elaborate more

[limber lion]

But just one in p2

Not in p1 or p3

[timid cloud]

profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"

[spice spire]

Also cydone, didn’t you want good vaults?

[timid cloud]

I did, I got an okayish ones...

I hoped my brothers prospered more than I...

[spice spire]

252 cípher ring at least for me

Ended an 8 week vault drought

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

[strange python]

I'm trying this but I don't know how to see which tea it says

[astral comet]

So after the first opener are we holding flag for next vendetta vanish or is it used off cd?

[strange python]

I'm on advanced sim but when I run it I don't see any changes or tea or smth 😦

[cobalt pelican]

just paste it below your character info and it'll output with the names of the tea

[timid cloud]

You line them up so long as you know you won't lose a cast of Flag.

[astral comet]

Thats what i did but it felt so troll to hold flag for like 25 sec or smth

[strange python]

okay nooow it's working

thank you and sorry

🙂

[alpine latch]

If your fight is less than 3m, you hold flag for Vendetta. Otherwise, you cast flag as soon as it's up and you're about to use a finisher

[astral comet]

i should prolly look it up on logs tbh

[alpine latch]

The only time I hold is when I know the fight has less than 1m left (IE, boss is in the 20% range depending on the boss itself)

Otherwise letter rip tater chip

You never know when someone's going to fuck up and kill 3 other people and extend the fight another 30 seconds

[astral comet]

true but i can see the avg of when ppl are holding and when they arent

cuz casting flag on its own will net u less stacks cuz no energy but at the same time its close to 25 sec so its a bit scuffed to know for sure

[hollow river]

Others fight timers may be way different than yours just FYI

[limber lion]

Safe bet is to never hold

Syncing them together is a gain, but not enough to warrant trolling your cds or losing out on casts.

[spark scaffold]

I'm talking only about the mythic dagger, as its at least 200 dps increase compared to any 252 in main hand

[limber lion]

Yeah well the person who you were talking to was talking about Heroic

But fair enough

[spark scaffold]

The only reason I'm still fishing for a 246 sylv dagg is because I haven't had a single 252 dagger drop so far

So still better than other 246s

[viscid schooner]

nope i got shit

[limber lion]

It is better in most cases but not everytime.

Probably still worse on something like Sylv

[spark scaffold]

Idk how to sim it tbh, but in the end I only care about ph3 damage so it shouldn't be a noticeable difference

[viscid schooner]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eucpRJ25eMmmHb4PMnomdv

fucked up vault gear

[pseudo hamlet]

Being lazy is sometimes good

[viscid schooner]

but what shall i take?

the 3 tokens this week or the legs? but its only +9

[pseudo hamlet]

You need the full socket bonus first I guess

[viscid schooner]

my hands never drop

[pseudo hamlet]

But you already have 4 slots

[viscid schooner]

so replace which one

[pseudo hamlet]

You should've upgrade the best gems for your class. I see that you have random gems upgraded(like 2xfrost, 1xunholy and 1xblood). Its not bad, but the set bonus is much better and should be prioritized.

Let me sim your gear...

[viscid schooner]

okay

[viscid schooner]

simmed? 😇

[pseudo hamlet]

Sill in the q!

[pseudo hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/327aW2Jc3ANrU7yE5sWMR4

Blood shards(chose the worst ones because I have no idea how high are the ones you've got right now)+legs+different talent

[viscid schooner]

thanks, thats a bit higher yeah

[pseudo hamlet]

Anyway, it's assa tab! You will find more experienced and more suitable players for such questions in the subtlety one! 😄

[viscid schooner]

haha i play ass and sub

so thats no problem

[viscid spear]

I need to push my M+ rating, it sucks more than Revendreth's elites prior to our arrival.

[gusty mirage]

[round scarab]

Any easy way to get dashing legendary ?

[gusty mirage]

Queue for LFR Nathria

Or roll it random for research from the vendor in korthia

[round scarab]

Is it account bound with research ?

[gusty mirage]

I believe it’s bind on pick up

But if you’re going to roll it random, buy the general ones first on a dif character (the eye of the jailer one, the ones from the covenant vendors)

To save you from wasting research on those

[round scarab]

Yeah thanks for the info 🙂

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

You get some sleep Oxi?

[viscid spear]

I applied to a "H SYLVANAS One Shot" group and the leader sent me " s] "

[spice spire]

He’s in a much better mood today so I’d assume yeah

[spice spire]

s]

[viscid spear]

He's not responding to my tells

First they were 2/4/9 now they're 2/3/10

What bizarro world is this

[thorny pond]

Which one?

[viscid spear]

The Heroic one, silly

Now it's 2/3/12

[limber lion]

Normal stuff

Imagine only applying to one group and not 47 groups

[viscid spear]

There's only two groups in LFG, Cev

[bleak sky]

good luck king

[limber lion]

2 hc groups?

Doubt it

[viscid spear]

Well 3 HC groups, but that one wants a heal

nvm they invited me

[limber lion]

I don't buy it. There's always a bunch

Man's got some filter on or something

[bleak sky]

game is kinda dead cev

[limber lion]

"dead"

Still has millions of active subs

Sure, a lot less than a few months ago

[spice spire]

It’s also 8:30 on a Wednesday

Iirc ash is NA

[limber lion]

But not exactly club penguin levels

[bleak sky]

timezones :modcheck:

[spice spire]

Wait

Hol up

[limber lion]

Yeah, that explains it

[bleak sky]

this is lfg right now

[viscid spear]

New Joyzee

[spice spire]

Yeah 9:30 on a work day

[limber lion]

Na-east/na-west?

[spice spire]

You’ll see a lot less

[viscid spear]

NA-East, it's 10:30am here

[limber lion]

There's different servers for those or what's that?

Never seen that before

[spice spire]

Yeah most servers are either east or west coast

[bleak sky]

it's an addon to make sure i'm not joining an oce hosted realm

[viscid spear]

9:30 server though

[bleak sky]

like the first group

[limber lion]

Ah interesting

[bleak sky]

playing on 300 ms is not fun

[limber lion]

Yeh for sure

[spice spire]

Some servers are out west while others are East. Like hyjal is a west coast server, while mal’ganis (mine) is east

[viscid spear]

My Horde characters are on Hyjal, lol

[spice spire]

So your ms gets affected

[limber lion]

Yeah, European servers are all based in central europe

[viscid spear]

The 3-hr difference is fun

[limber lion]

So doesn't matter

[spice spire]

I came from Hyjal in 8.3, my first guild was there

Then came to my current guild and haven’t left since

[viscid spear]

My Horde guild abandoned me when I had a night job so I went to Bladefist (my first server) and went Alliance

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

I wasn't able to play, no one told me they were leaving the guild to merge with another one. Played with these guys since Wrath (this was during Dazar'alor in BFA)

Kinda stung

[bleak sky]

yikes

very yikes

[viscid spear]

I'm enjoying my Alliance guild more, we're doing better than the Horde guild ever was capable of, despite being on a far less reputable server

Right now I hope I do well on this fight, I haven't pugged HC Sylvie in a while

Don't recall if I liked Dashing or Obed more for it

[thorny pond]

Dashing is good for pugs

Don’t have to worry

[gusty mirage]

Not really

Slept from 4am until 9

[viscid spear]

Wow it was a 1-shot for reals

[spice spire]

That’s 5 hours king

[spice spire]

Dagger check?

[bleak sky]

gotta find a way to take a nap king

[viscid spear]

Conduit and socketed waist

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Neither of the other two rogues got it either

Was using a socketed waist from N Soulrender, so that's a 20 ilvl upgrade

I lose the crit though

[thorny pond]

20 ilvls is worth

Can socket your crit

[viscid spear]

True truth

[clever kindle]

What about it 🤌

[viscid spear]

Super well-organized 1-shot though, only had one death and that was a priest falling off the platform in the last section of phase 2

[viscid spear]

I live here, what's it to yous?

[clever kindle]

Same

I live in the woods tho

[viscid spear]

I live across the bridge from Philly

I did poopoo on that fight though, only did 4.9k

No fresh Heroic groups in LFG so I'll have to try later tonight

[bleak sky]

get me in on that alliance pug

my 205 boi is PUMPIN

[viscid spear]

I'm proud of myself though, I had a lower ilvl than quite a few of the group, I don't have the dagger, and my trinkets are a bit questionable.

[bleak sky]

gj king

[viscid spear]

Decanter and Shadowgrasp

Also have Rack Fragment and Relic, can't get the dumb robot to drop his

[timid cloud]

Lost another to Alliance.

[viscid spear]

Who me?

[gusty mirage]

That emote

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

On god, thought you were Horde.

[gusty mirage]

She was once upon a blue moon

[spice spire]

Oxì beat me in a recent heroic Sylvanas down

[outer cairn]

Did Bonespike with Dashing become a good build? Guy in my guild was running it last night and his numbers seemed a bit higher or it may have just been the fact that on Eye and Nine he's able to add that extra dot.

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

P2 I got gapped hard. P1 and 3 was double digits off on DPS. 3 Ilvl diff. Coming for that ass

[gusty mirage]

I popped my CDs early in p3 because I had zero faith in your group

[outer cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-you-are-part-of-the-rebel-alliance-traitor-gif-15532482

[spice spire]

I popped mine too

[gusty mirage]

I had potion and shiv in lust

That’s it

[spice spire]

Usually I get more usage than I did

[timid cloud]

None of this Necro Nonsense...

[spice spire]

I had vendetta for like the final 5s I think

[timid cloud]

I’ve had it up to here with Iceblades shenanigans already!

[gusty mirage]

You’re a glutton for punishment @spice spire

[spice spire]

It’s fine

With enough gear, dashing will overtake Doomblade

[gusty mirage]

I would’ve ripped my hair out by now if I were in your shoes

[spice spire]

And Necro isn’t bad

[gusty mirage]

Literally mald

[spice spire]

Nah, it was chill. We had swaps and stuff

Wednesday malded me when they drank, that wasn’t even bad lol

[gusty mirage]

The one hunter who couldn’t seem to avoid the puddles died on the plat while seeded and we killed it

Shocker

[spice spire]

3 wipes with 4 extra people

[timid cloud]

I play Unholy gems & uhhh Doomblade with Venthyr on my 2nd Rogue because it’s a struggle bus, but it’s only like a 1k difference with the same fight timings if I play it right.

[spice spire]

Also @outer cairn all that to say - venthyr is still better

But NL is fine

[gusty mirage]

I’ve been waiting almost 6 months to hear you say those words

[spice spire]

I mean it is better, numerically there’s no contest

I’m just comfy on it and milking until it dies for good

[timid cloud]

I was thinking about playing Necro on it, or maybe I should just play Sub, but I just do better on Sin.

[drowsy parcel]

delete kindred spirits and theres a contest

[timid cloud]

True.

[keen garden]

NL almost worth it for all the floating knives alone, shame mnemonic equipment hardly does anything

[drowsy parcel]

kevin gang

[bleak sky]

all you gotta do to do better on sub is play more sub

[viscid spear]

I created her as a BElf way back in Wrath, wasn't until the Dazar'alor raid that I went Alliance.

I do miss being Horde though, but my Alliance guild loves their blue

Avatar updated!

[timid cloud]

Yeah, I do all of my keys as Sub...

It’s the same...ha..ha...

[viscid spear]

SO much better than me, bro

[timid cloud]

I’m a traitor though.

[viscid spear]

I'm only 1469 Sin

[timid cloud]

I’m only 1k Sin

LOL

[viscid spear]

190 Outlaw and 0.0 Sub

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

2300 sin

Should be 2500 but group hasn’t pushed in 8 or so weeks

But I’ve definitely been lackin’

[timid cloud]

I do all of my keys for the week then I’m too tired to push.

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage is a fellow sin m+ enjoyer

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

True man of class

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

He was persuaded by sub for a while. And I’ve lured him back to the light

[viscid spear]

[timid cloud]

LMAO

[viscid spear]

I'll try better in season 3, I swear

[gusty mirage]

just focus on having fun

[spice spire]

Yeah

[nocturne geode]

😄

[spice spire]

Pushing is also hard on alliance if you don’t have a group set

[spice spire]

Keys are just extra content tbh

[timid cloud]

Rogue 1 & 2...I promise....I’m not a complete traitor...

[nocturne geode]

wasnt there a 32 timed last week?

[timid cloud]

I’ve not played Outlaw since the changes I swear!!!

[gusty mirage]

so you betray us not once, but twice

[limber lion]

Y'll are popping off

Sheesh

[viscid spear]

I'll have more fun if I could actually be 2k for once, the others make me feel small

[spice spire]

Yeah but Cev

[gusty mirage]

you can still get 2k this season

[spice spire]

Show me them heroic kills rq

Talk about popping off

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Man hasn’t raided in 2 months and was HARD in the grustle

[gusty mirage]

I believe in you @viscid spear

[viscid spear]

I'm working on it, depression is hitting me like a truck lately

[timid cloud]

How many rekills outside of farm?

[spice spire]

You got this
You have time no need to rush it

[viscid spear]

We've been one of the best guilds on the server consistently since I joined during Dazar'alor, right now we're the best Alliance guild on the server

[limber lion]

I'm actually sad I don't have access to any of my mythic kills.

Not a single one

[nocturne geode]

sadge

[gusty mirage]

I'm sure you can ask them for at least a screenshot of them

[timid cloud]

That’s why I always personal log.

I’ve seen so many people get griefed trying to get into new guilds when they private their logs to spite them from leaving.

[viscid spear]

Aren't you in Method, Cev?

[limber lion]

I quit hardcore raiding because I don't have the time unfortunately.

Still in the guild as a casual social andy.

[viscid spear]

Are they who you got your Mythic kills with?

[limber lion]

But if I ever want to get back to it, I need to find a guild that doesn't go as ham.

[limber lion]

I mean I did raid with them for a few months

Progression was with a different guild.

[viscid spear]

Because I was thinking you couldn't post your logs because of something like the NFL's disclaimer; "Any other use of this telecast or any pictures, descriptions, or accounts of the game without the guild's consent is prohibited".

And then FBI agents would bust in your windows

[alpine latch]

Naw, it just makes you look like untrustworthy to every other top guild

Technically speaking, there's nothing to stop you from uploading the log both publicly and privately. You just deal with the consequences of your actions.

[viscid spear]

Windows are expensive though

[limber lion]

Pretty sure that they get automatically filtered because the people that I got the kill with have stealth mode enabled and because the guild is set to private log

Even if you try to upload a public log, WCL knows better

[alpine latch]

Sure, but your private log should still be accessible by you, shouldn't it?

I don't actually know the ins and outs of stealth mode. I know of it but I've never used it

[limber lion]

Maybe, I'm not entirely sure.

But either way, I don't think I have them anymore.

[viscid spear]

It looks like

[limber lion]

I stopped logging when I joined the big K because it only slow'd my pc down

And there was always an officer logging anyways

So no need

[alpine latch]

Yeah

Like 1/3 of our raid logs

Because addons just turn it on anyway

[limber lion]

Yeah, I just had major issues with fps

And turning the combatlogger off helped immensely

Like night and day difference

WoW is a processor heavy game and my processor apparently can't deal with it

[slow marsh]

I can't deal with you

[spice spire]

Rich coming from the subterfuge connoisseur

[slow marsh]

I'll have you know I swapped back venth for now

[limber lion]

Pussy

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

I figured it's probably not smart to try new stuff while trialing

[viscid spear]

Wow them with your ability to freely adapt to any situation

[meager swallow]

Three weeks of the same gear slot. Literal garbage. I hate wow's loot system. 😒

[viscid spear]

"See you next week"

[sonic schooner]

How can i check different tea bonus in sims as venthyr? 🙄

I'm sure the answer is stupid but eh

[meager swallow]

Dude. The other sin rogue in our guild didn't even run with us this week, nor downed sylv and still grabbed the dagger. Talk about defeat.

[strange python]

Thank blizzards favo rng system. I would have prefer a questline like the old days for those daggers.

[sonic schooner]

Like Cata's daggers? Just clean the raid 15 times?

[strange python]

Yes

[meager swallow]

100% agree. I'd have them already. I feel sorry for hunters too. Sylv is such a slog.

[viscid spear]

I liked Dragon Soul

[spice spire]

It’s in the sub FAQ, it’s a command to put in the simc area at the bottom of the sim

[viscid spear]

I made an Ed Gein joke in Korthia, no one ate it up

[spice spire]

[sonic schooner]

TYVM, i was sure the answer would ve been that dumb :3

[spice spire]

Nah

[spice spire]

It’s very frequently asked

[sonic schooner]

Not because something is frequently asked that makes it smart

but yea sub faq, let s walk into it

[gusty mirage]

doesn'

t make it dumb either

😉

[sonic schooner]

True

Newish venthyr, i miss sbs already

[gusty mirage]

don't put yourself down for asking a question

do what I do, put @spice spire down instead

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

Would a Jeffrey Dahmer joke have been in better taste?

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

My crowning achievement in this Discord will probably forever be the guillotine joke I made.

[spice spire]

It’s so much

[sonic schooner]

[viscid spear]

@spice spire

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Oh that was a good one

I thought that was a French Revolution pun tho

Crowning and all

[viscid spear]

Damn, I missed that one. Unintentional

[sonic schooner]

🇫🇷

[viscid spear]

🇮🇪

[sonic schooner]

Looks like it s theotar for every tea but vers

i think nadja timings are dogshit for ktz

[viscid spear]

I like Nadja thematically

[spice spire]

Even agility

?

[viscid spear]

I'd rather a hottie vamp chick than an elderly hobo in a diaper

[sonic schooner]

yea apparently agility is a +21 compared to nadja

[gusty mirage]

I feel personally attacked by the 2nd part of this sentence

[viscid spear]

Maybe if he put on a shirt

[gusty mirage]

you leave us shirtless diaper wearers alone

[viscid spear]

You Theotar sycophants are silly

[balmy condor]

Me when I see @stuck knoll

[viscid spear]

Is he Irish?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[slow marsh]

Ronk and I share the living in potato land meme except mine is worse

[gusty mirage]

just because the man hates mushrooms doesn't mean you can fist fight him

[spice spire]

Yeah because it doesn’t have Ronkles

[gusty mirage]

anyone touches Ronkles and

[stuck knoll]

me when I see @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Ye cause I stabbed ye fokin eyes out bloke

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

I'm not gonna lie I thought about abandoning the cause when I had my iqd proc mastery twice cuz I was standing in the shade but it's still better than nadj

[gusty mirage]

just don't play iqd

what an easy fix

[slow marsh]

jUsT dOnT pLAy iQd

[gusty mirage]

sorry your trinkets suck

[slow marsh]

Wow where have I heard that before

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

There he is

[balmy condor]

I’m guessing this channel

[strange python]

so theo's the play huh

[gusty mirage]

yes

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

me no wanna play theo cuz shade make iqd proc mastery

[slow marsh]

Don't you have some parking tickets that you have to fight

[gusty mirage]

is that what lawyers in Idaho do?

[balmy condor]

Don’t you have any trinkets to farm

[gusty mirage]

business must be tough

[slow marsh]

Yeah cuz nothing happens here

[slow marsh]

No I have a 252 phial already

[gusty mirage]

and an IQD

[slow marsh]

Hey I figured if I had a 252 iqd then I may as well give it a solid spin

[balmy condor]

That’s not the one I was talking about

[gusty mirage]

didn't realize it's still april

[slow marsh]

I need guardian trink is all

[viscid spear]

Same

[cerulean nest]

why are most top logs on Fate nadija instead of theo?

[gusty mirage]

probably sheer laziness

[slow marsh]

Because top logs are slow to update

[gusty mirage]

@slow marsh kinda mad you didn't name drop me in your app bro, I thought we had a connection

[slow marsh]

Why should they change it up they're already on top with their 13 externals

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[gusty mirage]

you even made a wolverine sad picture meme for me

[slow marsh]

I didn't name drop anyone idk what you're talking about

[balmy condor]

Nadjia on fate is actual pain

[gusty mirage]

thrill seeker proc for when you're running the inside rune

worth

[cerulean nest]

after lashing/well placed steel what third potency is good for Fate?

lethal?

[slow marsh]

But if you don't get runes its low key Pog

[gusty mirage]

yep

[hollow river]

Ocular gLaNd hoMiE

[slow marsh]

Hey I just do what the Sims tell me ok

I forgot iqd is actual sim bait and I should never use it

[gusty mirage]

yeah except gland can't give your healer mana

[hollow river]

How much dps over ocular gear set

[slow marsh]

Don't worry about it

[gusty mirage]

have a disc priest in your raid?

enjoy your mana cube

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

Just know that I won't be running iqd anymore

[gusty mirage]

I feel like we can suggest things without having to bully you @slow marsh

[balmy condor]

Like 7 probably

[gusty mirage]

but its less fun

so here we are

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

Ofc it is

[balmy condor]

Just Play kyrian sub

[slow marsh]

Low blow

[balmy condor]

Ocular is bis

Phial + ocular highest simming trinket combo

[spice spire]

Play NF sub

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

I saw some 3 cp finishers as you tried to hit that charged 2 cp last night

[slow marsh]

K you can bully me for all the other stuff but only I am allowed to bully myself for not having any eon

[hollow river]

🙃

[gusty mirage]

get out

[balmy condor]

Pain

[hollow river]

I knooow lol

[strange python]

charging 2 cp is so bad

/camp

[gusty mirage]

I found a good solution for that 2cp conundrum

I just don't play kyrian

[strange python]

oh yeah me either

I've got all the other 3 at 80 - and kyrian is stuck at like 56 cause it feels so bad

[viscid spear]

Literally every single person in my guild says it's a shit trinket because of how it works

[strange python]

then they'll give it to you 😄

[slow marsh]

Kekw

[gusty mirage]

wat

[hollow river]

Yeah well they don’t sound smart

[slow marsh]

Imagine not having 99% uptime on gland

[gusty mirage]

I don't have to

[strange python]

We get like 3 of them ever kill lol

[gusty mirage]

I have a 252 salvaged amp

I have a 0% uptime on gland

[viscid spear]

I didn't say I agreed, and I never win the roll for it

[hollow river]

🤮

[spice spire]

Flex harder

[gusty mirage]

puking because jelly?

or are you trying to say it sucks

I'm confused

[hollow river]

Def sux

[slow marsh]

It sucks that you have it

[gusty mirage]

the guardian trinket sucks?

You want to repeat that for me, but slower?

[hollow river]

Rng ass trinket

[slow marsh]

Total sim bait

[spice spire]

Why are we being toxic to oxi

[gusty mirage]

[charred wraith]

nah, it like low rolls 1/100

[hollow river]

I would never

[slow marsh]

Because it's oxi and the only other viable option is me

[charred wraith]

and high rolls every 2d time

also its bc you arent staggering first strike hello

[gusty mirage]

yeah man

trinket sucks

[spice spire]

Just toxify me? Hello?

[gusty mirage]

you're right

[spice spire]

I cba

[slow marsh]

You play Necro you're already toxified

[spice spire]

Posting high rng, good one

[hollow river]

Idk I’ve seen em do literal dog water damage quite a few times

[spice spire]

No shot

Trinket’s busted

[timid cloud]

On god.

[spice spire]

The only RNG there is by not hitting the boss

[timid cloud]

Does that IQD perform better than say your other trinket combos?

Call it feelcraft.

[gusty mirage]

it does like probably 8 more dps than gland

[hollow river]

Nah

[gusty mirage]

do you have one or?

[hollow river]

I’ve got a heroic one, but have seen mythic ones on logs do badly

[timid cloud]

All I’m saying is...

[gusty mirage]

lmfaooooooooooooo

[timid cloud]

I dropped my 246 totem for a 239 Guardian & did more damage.

[gusty mirage]

yeah bro

trash trinket

[hollow river]

What

[gusty mirage]

you're right

that was a 239

fyi

not a 252

[hollow river]

I’m not even basing my statement purely on my own opinions

So

[timid cloud]

IQD & Totem are dogshit no matter the item level...

[hollow river]

Be toxic all you want

[gusty mirage]

you're basing it by looking at a few logs

and saying the literal best in slot trinket for assassination outside of phial

is trash

got it

it's a hasted trinket, and with alacrity & flag

we get a ton of haste

[timid cloud]

It’s BIS for all 3.

Not just Sin.

[gusty mirage]

not for kyrian sub

[timid cloud]

On god?

[gusty mirage]

on god

[timid cloud]

Kyrian Sub though.

Pure ST I know.

[gusty mirage]

I'm also a kyrian hater

dw

[timid cloud]

Only thing nice about it is the mog.

[hollow river]

Idk why some people here gotta be such haters lately

[strange python]

lol

[timid cloud]

In regards to what?

You have to realize there is a line between banter & actually being a hater.

An example. If you’re saying salavged fusion amp a shit RNG trinket & shouldn’t be used, but you don’t actually mean that, then you gotta add some flair to it to make it a meme.

But if you actually think that, then you must realize you are objectively wrong.

As someone I know would say “That’s just factually incorrect.”

In 99% of the cases, that is the best trinket in the game for rogues besides Phial, we all know that. UNLESS. They’re Kyrian Sub.

[hollow river]

My opinion is that it’s a shit trinket

It’s obviously “bis”

I dislike it

[gusty mirage]

no quotations necessary in that statement

[hollow river]

Is the point I suppose

[timid cloud]

Okay then, you’re fine, & we can move past it so we’re clear on it.

[earnest remnant]

Amp is still best trinket for me as kyrian sub, by quite a margin

[hollow river]

Sure is

[brazen zodiac]

hi goodopop

[gusty mirage]

It's okay to have objectively wrong opinions

without being defensive

[hollow river]

For sure

[timid cloud]

Yeah, it’s hard to point out context & uhh what’s that word, it’s escaping my mind...like the voice of a subject? In text. If I’m making any sense at all.

[gusty mirage]

if my take on it is wrong, by all means feel free to ask any of the blades and CFs

[hollow river]

But it’s also okay not to comment for no reason

[gusty mirage]

I'm sure they'll corroborate that the salvaged fusion amp is bis

[timid cloud]

I just like being social. So I come in here to hang with my people of fellow taste.

Connoisseur’s if you will.

[frail fossil]

i hate edge of the night man it's so rng, it might be "bis"

[hollow river]

Same here

[frail fossil]

but i dont like it

[slow marsh]

As the lowest ranking blade I can confirm it is indeed bis

[hollow river]

Just seeing people that used to be really nice, starting to act like assholes, can be disheartening

[timid cloud]

The only toxic people here are Oxi & I.

[shrewd night]

Sweet summer child

[spice spire]

Oxì always a butt

Shien

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Some people get a bit harsh on what they view as objectively correct. That being said, it is our best trinket, even over phial. So it’s strange that you’d take this stance, but I’m hoping once you obtain it, you’ll see it’s power because it is extremely strong

[slow marsh]

I thought he was just a myth tbh

[timid cloud]

I’m hyperventilating at that passive aggressiveness...

[shrewd night]

But.. He aint wrong tho

[spice spire]

What passive aggressiveness?

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

[cerulean walrus]

[hollow river]

Sure there’s just no need for all that imo it puts people off. I agree that’s it’s good, just don’t like it idk. Have had uses where it does insane damage and have had uses where it does literally like 5k if that

I’m not saying that’s common, but ye

[shrewd night]

There is just a vital difference between saying "I dont like how it plays" and "it sucks"

[spice spire]

I think that’s what was lost in translation as well -

[hollow river]

Sure, when I was saying “shit trinket” there was obv some meme thrown in there

[spice spire]

Sorry Mr. trickz, no memeing allowed here only the highest quality of shiv conversations are held 🧐

[hollow river]

Yeah lmfao ok quake

[spice spire]

It happens though, people get defensive. Misinformation has plagued the wow community so people hop very quickly to squash it. With good intention, most of the time 😛

Oxi definitely had good intention but he’s a meanie around his old man nap time

@gusty mirage

[timid cloud]

We do not do the maymays around here, if I might add...

[hollow river]

There’s also a vital difference between being correct, and flaming. Idk

[spice spire]

The wat

[shrewd night]

[spice spire]

Oh no

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-12558964

[shrewd night]

For someone that doubled down on a poor opinion by not typing what they really meant, I think that was pretty mild.

[timid cloud]

🍷

[viscid spear]

STOP YELLING AT ME, OLD MAN

[gusty mirage]

how do I unsee something

someone help

[inland hull]

I'll eventually get the Sylv dagger, right? ....right?

[balmy condor]

no

[inland hull]

Damn. I probably needed that.

[alpine latch]

You mean to tell me there isn't a "sweet spot" where if I have exactly a specific amount of crit, I turn into a god?

[bleak sky]

no

they aren't implemented in the game

[alpine latch]

Don't let your dreams be memes. You'll get it...

[bleak sky]

if you see someone with it they're hacking

[gusty mirage]

heroic or mythic

[inland hull]

I'm a strong, independent rogue. Don't need no EoN.

Heroic. My guild sticks with just doing HC

[gusty mirage]

next question: how many times have you killed her?

(Spoiler: the answer is you probably still won't because loot in SL sucks)

but if we keep lying to ourselves, the next kill is the one we get it for sure

[bleak sky]

i ran out of copium

and I'm not sure I'm gonna refill

[inland hull]

I actually went to check the number. I'm pretty dumb.

[gusty mirage]

here have some of mine

[bleak sky]

thanks bud

next kill i'm getting one, there's no way it doesn't drop

[gusty mirage]

next time for sure

As I've been telling myself about Invincible for 10 years now almost

[bleak sky]

the fellow rogues in my guild already have 1

they don't need 2, right? if they get another they're giving it to me, right?

[timid cloud]

On god.

I told my other rogue in the guild if I get another dagger off of Sylv, I would give it to him.

I want all of my brethren to prosper.

Even if I don’t own 2.

[gusty mirage]

I got my 246 edge on my 17th kill of heroic sylv

and then I got one in a boost 2 weeks later and had to trade it away

[bleak sky]

I've never seen one drop, at all

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

my only dagger was a 233 from a vault

[gusty mirage]

only loot I get from last two in vault are the heroic KT pants

[bleak sky]

f

[inland hull]

We've had leggo bows and quiver drops but no dagger

[bleak sky]

our hunter dropped the upgrade token

[gusty mirage]

we leather stacked our KT sale 4 weeks in a row so I could upgrade my heroic tarra shoulders

[bleak sky]

and I thought that was a myth

[gusty mirage]

and it finally happened after a month

[bleak sky]

your guild does mythic sales?

[gusty mirage]

it got so bad that @spice spire offered to trade me them

that was heroic

[bleak sky]

o ye

[gusty mirage]

rn we're doing first 6 and its a shit show

[timid cloud]

I had to upgrade my Normal KT’s to Mythic KT’s.

[bleak sky]

I wish we were doing the same

everything is a breeze, we could def get some boostees in there

[dawn ivy]

mythic sylv sales are pretty chill tbh

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

idk about sylv, our damage is good but maybe not that good?

probably fine

[gusty mirage]

god I feel that in my bones

[dawn ivy]

the damage check in p1 is still easy to hit and p3 dam check isnt too tight either

[bleak sky]

ya, we just do 2 sets of adds in p1

[gusty mirage]

requires gamers and not potatoes

and can't say we have a plethora of gamers

[bleak sky]

getting a buyer in there isno biggie

[dawn ivy]

fair

[gusty mirage]

can't kill painsmith

managed to reclear to KT twice before pushing for the KT kill

and we can't kill pain again even after the nerfs

its kinda yikes

[bleak sky]

for real?

[gusty mirage]

doesn't help that the assassination rogue is 4th on ball damage

[bleak sky]

monkaS

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

yeah... it's bad

[bleak sky]

what are you dying to tho?

you as in the guild

[gusty mirage]

people were dying to spikes in p1 intermission bro

lol

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

you know the one that's exaclty the same as heroic?

yeah that one

[bleak sky]

yep

good stuff

[dawn ivy]

painsmith is funny. even the best guilds will just have 1 or 2 people randomly die in intermissions

[gusty mirage]

we had a 0.1% wipe

80k health left

[dawn ivy]

oof

[bleak sky]

when does your guild raid?

[gusty mirage]

killed mythic sylv

[bleak sky]

and are you recruiting at all

[gusty mirage]

miss enrage on pain

mine?

[bleak sky]

ya

[gusty mirage]

tuesday/wednesday 8:30pm-11:30pm

there's a high chance they may be recruiting a rogue soon

[bleak sky]

oh, rogue's not going anywhere I think

or idk maybe it's getting benched forever

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-12558964

[kind talon]

gz on CE big guy

[viscid spear]

He's yelling at a cloud, get it?

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

I'll post it again

[gusty mirage]

ty sir

[viscid spear]

I'll do it

[strange python]

lol we wiped once at 139k -- the mage was iceblocked and we were trying to let dots tick - it was so painful

[hollow river]

[viscid spear]

[inland hull]

I got a 239 fusion amp from my vault today, but my current trinkets are 252 phial and a 252 iqd. IQD sims higher with standard patchwork 5 mins. Am I safe trusting that even though many of our kill times on ST are lower than 5 mins?

[spice spire]

Sim closer to your kill timers

[viscid spear]

My mage alt can't see my M+ panel because the "NEW SEASON!" thing is covering the panel and I can't get rid of it

[inland hull]

Had the same issue and had to disable elvui, then get rid of that page, then reload it.

[bleak sky]

I think that depends on getting 2 good iqd uses

[viscid spear]

Didn't do anything

[inland hull]

Got no clue then. It's happened on 2 of my alts and that was my fix. Maybe it's a sign to stop playing mage?

[viscid spear]

But it's fun

[inland hull]

Yeah, it actually is

[viscid spear]

Plus she's a VElf so it makes me feel like I'm playing my Horde BElves again

[torn frost]

Any ye guilds wanna help carry my ass just done 9/10 norm got 1 bit of loot hate my life

[spice spire]

A lass of class

[hexed frost]

I want shrouded suffocation trait back

[spice spire]

Assassination rogues want only one thing, and it’s disgusting.

[hexed frost]

So give it to us

[jovial spear]

Is eye worth getting from Mythic?

Ocular Gland

[spice spire]

It’s pretty good

Depends on your other trinkets though

[jovial spear]

Got Fuzion Amp, and "Infinitely divisible ooze 252

[warm fog]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

It’s an upgrade over IDO most of the time @jovial spear

[cerulean nest]

got three vers teas in a row...

hello?

[balmy condor]

Banger

[red plaza]

Wtf queue arena gogoggo

[balmy condor]

Time to play sub

[cerulean nest]

guess so

[viscid spear]

Wait, there's a portal to the Assault in the respective covenant hall?

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

Don't look at me like that, I didn't know that

[arctic walrus]

@balmy condor why parse difficult??

[oak sky]

🧠

[grave blade]

can't decide between assass or sub for mythics/pvp content

[inland hull]

Use the scientific method: fuck around and find out.

Both are good, but sub does tend to slot into more comps.

[outer cairn]

Outlaw. Play Yahtzee. Blade Flurry. Faceroll. Things die.

[clever kindle]

outlaw: now with the added new feature 'Build your own 5 buff'

[sharp zodiac]

PTR update

[limber lion]

Just a blue post

Bring on the juice already blozord

:(

[sharp zodiac]

Update is out. How long will servers be down

@limber lion

[hollow river]

PTR is updating rn

[limber lion]

Oh

[limber lion]

[cerulean nest]

you guys use 4 vendettas on Fate, or just line up three for the boss

[hollow river]

[cerulean nest]

?

[limber lion]

4

Probably

More is better

[hollow river]

Toxic Onslaught Dusk gaming

[limber lion]

Smile

[hollow river]

Here I come

[cerulean nest]

Smile

[limber lion]

As long as you have Vend/Vanish/Flag for the p3 burn

During lust

Then you're gucci

[cerulean nest]

yeah i mean this'll be prog so I cant predict exactly the timer

I have a feeling if I just press it on CD, i wont have it for lust

i'll feel it out

[hollow river]

Check lust timing of other guilds prog kills

Should be roughly the same depending on strat

[cerulean nest]

how do I find prog kills specifically?

[hollow river]

Check Fate top logs, pick a gamer

Then search for that gamer specifically

[cerulean nest]

ah

[hollow river]

And go to their first kill

[sharp zodiac]

Your Kill time if you're P3 cheesin' will be anywhere between 6:15-7:00

[cerulean nest]

that makes sense lol thought there was a quicker way

[hollow river]

That’s just how I do it

[cerulean nest]

thats what I mean, so lust will probably happen before the 6 min mark

[sharp zodiac]

Uh for Prog The mindset was have CDs up for P1 P2 P3 Burn

[hollow river]

I like checking out Seliathin’s prog kills

[sharp zodiac]

Dont use big CDs in intermission

Others will give you different advice obviously

I was also a middle rune slave (still am) so its tough to dps in intermission

[hollow river]

Sadge

[sharp zodiac]

Im the raid-lead I really just do it to myself

[limber lion]

Just don't use it during second intermission and that should be gucci

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

[sharp zodiac]

Thats the best advice honestly

if you blow vendetta first intermission youll be fine. second you wont have it for lust

[limber lion]

You can use it before the intermission, but probably not worth if your phasing the boss in 3 seconds.

[cerulean nest]

cool thats what I figured

[limber lion]

Still wanna get full value out of it.

Yuh

[vast forum]

your fate lasts >6 min? 🤮

[slow marsh]

Right when i'm finishing up with job apps too

[sharp zodiac]

if you're REALLY bored

https://www.twitch.tv/wowhead

wowhead is streaming the datamine

[sharp zodiac]

Servers are still down

[slow marsh]

well good thing i'm still finishing up i guess xD

[limber lion]

Enough with the kitty cats

Datamine faster >:(

[dawn ivy]

but the cat is dancing

[hollow river]

[sharp zodiac]

I feel like I got baited hard by the person who said the mentioned Rogue

[dawn ivy]

i promise you

one of the people on stream said the word rogue

[sharp zodiac]

WHERE IS IT DAMNIT

[dawn ivy]