assassination

[spice spire]

It’s kind of an amalgamation of everything that dictates when frost becomes BiS

[obsidian aurora]

i have 45 but def dont feel like it

[spice spire]

At 45 it almost certainly is best

[nocturne geode]

im sitting at 51% still need more

😄

[spice spire]

MfD subterfuge

But also 51 seems incredibly high

Surely you’re craving a different stat per your sims

[nocturne geode]

haste is close

still under tho

barely

[golden basalt]

topgear or stat weight sim?

[violet jackal]

if he venyhyr it normal to want more crit still

[nocturne geode]

ill try to remember to post it when im home from work

[obsidian aurora]

my stat weight @ 42 is saying haste is top

[spice spire]

You necrolord?

[obsidian aurora]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uy4DyzCQ6wr9b4ADZUvxSd

[spice spire]

Oh nadjia

[nocturne geode]

yes necro

[timid cloud]

Link me your boxes if they're good, my brothers.

[spice spire]

Try it with Theo stat weights are fucky and shouldn’t be the play - but top gearing your gems and shit should fix

[drifting cloud]

might be because of iqd

[timid cloud]

My 2nd Rogue has failed me.

@gusty mirage

[violet jackal]

sylvannas belt

[timid cloud]

🔥

[spice spire]

If you run heirmir, almost certainly has haste top. I’m running 43, and it wants me to swap gems to haste

[slow marsh]

All right hear me out what if you held shiv for like 5 to 10 seconds on pull to vanish after gemstones while still inside of IQD and vendetta

[timid cloud]

ICE BLADES DON'T DO IT

[nocturne geode]

dont do this to me ice

[spice spire]

Ice

[golden basalt]

Dew it

[spice spire]

You’re overthinking

[timid cloud]

NOT WHILE WHISPYR IS STILL AWAKE

[slow marsh]

It's already done

[spice spire]

Flopping fish

[timid cloud]

[nocturne geode]

no thonking aloud at end of tier

[oak sky]

@timid cloud the sylvanas chestplate

[slow marsh]

My Sim wants me to take subt in single target if I'm playing necro. Which one is worse

[timid cloud]

[nocturne geode]

mine says its good too when i looked yesterday but i didnt think into it

[timid cloud]

Just simply play MA...

Did you suddenly turn back time to BFA with x3 SS?

[slow marsh]

MA is a loss it wastes too much crit

[nocturne geode]

i agree there

nvm keep going

[obsidian aurora]

i been using the trink from 2nd boss, which puts me @ 47 crit. but kinda feels unneccarry

[timid cloud]

[nocturne geode]

more vers

;3

jk

[timid cloud]

No such thing as too much crit.

[slow marsh]

Unless you're Necro

Apparently

[nocturne geode]

truth

[timid cloud]

But Gemstone isn't up 24/7

[slow marsh]

No but it's up during every vendetta + vanish combo

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

And emeni is still roughly a 100 DPS loss to bonersmith

[timid cloud]

Making me a hot 'lil potato right now.

[slow marsh]

Good that's what I'm best at

[hushed dirge]

Got my other 252 dagger in the vault that is other straight upgrade from the one I am using.

[timid cloud]

What'd you get in your vault by the way, blades?

[slow marsh]

Crap

[oak sky]

try playing marileth

[slow marsh]

Marileth sims even less

[spice spire]

Going MA + ocular sims like 80 less

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[timid cloud]

I'm too greedy for Ocular.

[slow marsh]

It's less of a trinket problem though

[timid cloud]

Did you link the sim already?

[spice spire]

I’m revisiting this

Yeah

[sharp zodiac]

God I hope the new raid trinkets are insane. Not looking forward to having to farm Phial again

[slow marsh]

I had it up yesterday I'll post another

[timid cloud]

We fixed that other issue yesterday for someone.

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pJ12S74xeFbkCJsGYtoHPm

[slow marsh]

Ty

[timid cloud]

The IQD issue, lol.

[slow marsh]

So it's just the fact that you waste so much crit during shiv+MA +gemstones window

It's not even iqd issue tho

You waste half of your gemstones procs

[timid cloud]

Just go more haste, no?

[slow marsh]

It only wants me to slot in one haste gem lol

[sharp zodiac]

You dont have a 246 EoN Ice?

[slow marsh]

No 😢

[sharp zodiac]

You gotta work the voodoo magic on the vault

[spice spire]

I’m going to beat this puzzle Ice

[slow marsh]

the only way to beat it is to change apl i think

[nocturne geode]

idr do you refresh the garrote before your stealth ends to extend the tick?

[slow marsh]

you can't go less crit because of all the winds damage you miss outside of cds. and it wastes too much crit inside of cds for it to work currently

[spice spire]

You do not rn

[slow marsh]

no you vanish garrote during pandemic after gemstones

[timid cloud]

Haste isn't bad for Winds though.

[spice spire]

Log checking the APL

[nocturne geode]

haha but we might be playing subt next tier anyways ehh?

[timid cloud]

I'm crunching some numbers right now.

[slow marsh]

probably yeah but we wont be necro unless something big happens

[timid cloud]

[nocturne geode]

ill be necro

;3

[slow marsh]

kekw there's always one right

[nocturne geode]

idk i play it better imo

[slow marsh]

i just got home imma try and see if i can fix this too

[sharp zodiac]

Deathspike meta

[nocturne geode]

'fix' or 'confirm'

[slow marsh]

well its already confirmed

[nocturne geode]

5 death spikes next tier 😄

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Main mangle is the sauce

[slow marsh]

by "fixing" i mean see if it could be better

[nocturne geode]

^

ib4 ice creates new meta at end of a tier

[timid cloud]

I messed up, took out WF & lost 400 dps, woopsie.

[sharp zodiac]

You guys get WF?

Must be nice

[fallen plover]

anyone excited to be farming vault of the wardens next week for the trinket

[timid cloud]

Yeah, but ours quit & took his 3 rat friends with him when we didn't give them the quick CE on reclear after his monk friend took a Guardian Trinket.

[nocturne geode]

reminds me of all the paladins in legion

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

I’m running some absolutely cursed sauce rn

I s2g if it doesn’t pay off

[slow marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/good-evil-star-wars-emporer-palpatine-darkside-gif-4624104

[timid cloud]

[sharp zodiac]

is there even any sims out for CoS ring and trinks from legion?

[timid cloud]

Just drop it here I guess.

[fallen plover]

ye they added legion stuff to raidbots

[slow marsh]

theres a frost trink that might be poggers

[timid cloud]

I need a drink already with this Iceblades shenanigans...

[fallen plover]

the auto attack ring isnt that good

[spice spire]

Yes but ring isn’t implemented per a few other people - so can’t say for sure

[spice spire]

Every day man

[fallen plover]

but the frost trinket from Votw is like 140 dps upgrade for me

[slow marsh]

just wait for 9.2 ptr when i'm fully unleashed

[timid cloud]

If ring gets a socket, whewie...

[sharp zodiac]

Ive only been raid logging is info anywhere

[fallen plover]

over mythic eye trinket

[spice spire]

NF this, Subterfuge that.
I just wanna sbs in chat

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

afaik just early ptr sims and talk but idk where it's at tbh

[sharp zodiac]

PTR today or tomorrow pls Blizz

[slow marsh]

aand the auto attack ring will be kind of bis but most likely just a good sidegrade

[velvet haven]

for anyone on tourny realm, it seems swapping covs is broken

so dont attempt

xd.

[gusty mirage]

the effect isn't working on raidbots atm

so who knows

[sharp zodiac]

Isnt legion TW like next week

[gusty mirage]

yes

[slow marsh]

ye

[sharp zodiac]

How isnt this shit in game yet

[gusty mirage]

how isn't what shit in the game yet

[sharp zodiac]

Legion stuff for simming

unless Im mistaken

[gusty mirage]

it is in the game

what does simc have to do with the actual game?"

[sharp zodiac]

Just thought there stuff would be reflected in SimC

[slow marsh]

sims are the game oxi.

i get no greater joy than finding this cursed stuff in sims

[nocturne geode]

praise iceblades for helping necro rogues

[spice spire]

The sauce isn’t spicy enough

[slow marsh]

consider it my make a wish for necro sin lmao

[spice spire]

Redoing it

[gusty mirage]

I'm going to need you two to stop your black magic

[slow marsh]

no

[gusty mirage]

someone get this man a new guild so he's too busy to do this shit

[spice spire]

NS/SUBT/CT ST

Trust

[slow marsh]

hahahaha

[spice spire]

Ice blades has shown me the way

[gusty mirage]

damn bro

sick

[spice spire]

Of the absolute nonsense that is this garbage covenant

[nocturne geode]

still better than nf and lyrian tho

[gusty mirage]

playing nightstalker AND subterfuge?

[nocturne geode]

kyrian*

[gusty mirage]

that's insane

crazy

[hollow river]

The auto attack ring isn’t implemented all the way..

[spice spire]

Yeah

Through Christ all things are possible king dw

[slow marsh]

just get the anima power and bug it to work out of torghast ezpz

[hollow river]

Not for ring no

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[fallen plover]

rough farming 2 dungeons is gonna be a pain

[sharp zodiac]

Fix it Oxi

Right now

[nocturne geode]

cant fix what can only be perfected

:)

[hollow river]

Yeah that’s why I’m not going to bother

[sharp zodiac]

At least CoS is a great dungeon

[fallen plover]

well it was like a 0.1% downgraade for me the ring

[gusty mirage]

I'm just a simple peasant

the bandana means nothing

[fallen plover]

without it being fixed

[gusty mirage]

it's like TSA

[sharp zodiac]

Vault last boss gonna be GREAT for people who didnt play legion

[gusty mirage]

worthless

[hollow river]

But with the auto attack stuff working properly when it’s out it will be a gain I’m sure

[fallen plover]

yeye for sure

[hollow river]

Most people agree that it’s going to be bis

[slow marsh]

sidegrade bis tho

[fallen plover]

but that also means for the rest of the expac we are gonna be waiting around for timewalking

[hollow river]

Just won’t matter

Unless you’re still progging

Or that determined to parse

[slow marsh]

since its capped at 246

[hollow river]

Yep

[sharp zodiac]

This is an oxymoron

[fallen plover]

nah but if the other rogue in my guild gets it and i dont have it

that will tilt me xd

[hollow river]

Not really

[slow marsh]

oximoron

[sharp zodiac]

You're either BiS or youre not BiS

[slow marsh]

frost set makes things weird man

[sharp zodiac]

TRU

[hollow river]

It’s already sidegrade without the auto attack effect working in sims

Afaik

[slow marsh]

i mean i agree it will be bis

[fallen plover]

ye the stats on it are really nice

[hollow river]

I’m feelycrafting 100 dps gains

[slow marsh]

just not sure how ahead it will be to make it worth farming if you have a 252 arachnid or something

[hollow river]

At least

[nocturne geode]

will mastery be better tho next tier ? thoughts 🙂

[slow marsh]

no

[hollow river]

No

[spice spire]

Won’t know until PTR

[slow marsh]

yes we do

[spice spire]

But based on current set

[obtuse robin]

no

[nocturne geode]

haha

[hollow river]

Maybe for outlaw

MAIN GAUcHE BBY

[gusty mirage]

send me your input

[nocturne geode]

but our set is bleed damage

[sharp zodiac]

I JUST NEED A REASON TO PLAY THE GAME DAMNIT

[gusty mirage]

that you sent quake

[fallen plover]

i hope for a set bonus change/buff

dont wanna play sub

[hollow river]

We all hope for that

[slow marsh]

iuts up if you scroll a bit

[sharp zodiac]

Staywoke

[gusty mirage]

aight

[sharp zodiac]

Its happening

[hollow river]

Assa chat go BRRRRRRRR

[nocturne geode]

subt bis inc

[hollow river]

no

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage I sent it to you, just stupidly

[slow marsh]

it is for necro fam

[nocturne geode]

^

[slow marsh]

thats why chat lit rn i broke it again

[balmy condor]

subt has always been good on necro

[slow marsh]

over like 10 dps gain

[balmy condor]

why are we suprised

[nocturne geode]

yay whispyrs here

[hollow river]

Oh I thought he meant subtlety

[sharp zodiac]

Whispyr fix the CoS sim

[slow marsh]

whisp not gonna help my cause tho

[hollow river]

🤮

[balmy condor]

what cause needs to be helped

[gusty mirage]

nothing

[balmy condor]

you're saying subt is good, I'm agreeing

[gusty mirage]

literally nothing

[slow marsh]

oxi was hella based with what he said earlier tbh

[thorn fjord]

Sub had its time... Plz dont make me play it again for another tier lol

[gusty mirage]

just don't play necro

and you won't

[balmy condor]

subterfuge

not subtlety

[thorn fjord]

oh

derp

[gusty mirage]

also you don't have to play a spec you don't enjoy

[thorn fjord]

Subterfuge always feels so sluggish and it never sims more than 50-80+ for me

[sharp zodiac]

Why we hating on Necro all of a sudden

[gusty mirage]

if your group's missing a dps check because you're missing like 500 max dps you guys have larger problems than what spec you play

[thorn fjord]

i wanna be the very best... like no one ever was

[nocturne geode]

ikr why are people hating my necro rogue identity

😭

[gusty mirage]

because you're stuck with deathspike next patch

enjoy

[thorn fjord]

Sub was out simming my Sin by like 900+ at a point which is why i was playing sub mostly for sanc

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

cause it's a dead covenant next patch

lmao

[sharp zodiac]

I mean I like necro sin. on the eye and Nine

[nocturne geode]

could be dead

not confirmed

[gusty mirage]

not could be

is

[sharp zodiac]

Oh yeah fuck Necro next patch.

[balmy condor]

no, it literally is

[spice spire]

It’s dead

[slow marsh]

really good on soulrender too

[gusty mirage]

deathspike is 0 dps in ST

[balmy condor]

deathspike means your covenant is dead

[spice spire]

I’m a bastion of Necrolord gaming

It’s dead

[slow marsh]

ye it's dead dead

[gusty mirage]

@marble hemlock this man's trying to steal your brand

[sharp zodiac]

Bro I just wanna play OL on soulrender but I cannot RL and play OL

[slow marsh]

which is why i want to enjoy the end of its life to the fullest

[nocturne geode]

im just saying if it end up pulling through were gonna look back at iceblades for his aid to the cause

[slow marsh]

Kek it's not even hard though just slam your buttons on gcd and you purple parse

[spice spire]

I said a bastion
Not the bastion

[gusty mirage]

subterfuge isn't going to save deathspike being a dogshit legendary

sorry buddy

[sharp zodiac]

Necro on Xymox next tier

[slow marsh]

Just getting + 2 charges is really sadge when venth gets cdr + vers on its main cd

[gusty mirage]

nice 2 more bone spikes for gemstones window

poggers

[hollow river]

Going to put this to the test this week

[slow marsh]

Do it

[hollow river]

The only question is whether or not I run DB

[sharp zodiac]

Refusing to play OL until I am blessed with Veinripper

[oak sky]

whats the fastest way to get stygia guys

i need to know for an alt

[gusty mirage]

rare events in the normal maw

[oak sky]

like the star guys

not the little skulls?

[hollow river]

Venari* daily

[slow marsh]

The OL chads try to make it seem like it's a big brain spec but they're optimizing for like 10 dps. If you know the basic reroll logic and can press buttons fast then you can ez purp parse on OL

[gusty mirage]

little skulls give a bunch

• old maw dailies

[oak sky]

they give like 50

i only have 1 daily on my alt

[grand ridge]

Too bad the korthia rift farm doesn't give stygia

Also fun fact.. korthia is auto corrected to mortgage on my phone 👍

[spice spire]

Sin chads so bored they’re deadass running subterfuge Necrolord and toxic onslaught tho

Degens everywhere

[slow marsh]

OFC

[nocturne geode]

im mean i have a couple top 200 parses w necro so them venth simps doing something wrong

:)

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

Necro isn't bad tho

[balmy condor]

yet

[hollow river]

Necro is literally better for cleave

[balmy condor]

[sharp zodiac]

Y'all got any of those Kindred Affinties laying around

[spice spire]

Everyone gotta remind me of the death of my boy

[sharp zodiac]

[nocturne geode]

haha

[hollow river]

Wdym

[gusty mirage]

necro dead in 9.2

next question

[hollow river]

Nah

[gusty mirage]

lol

it's not?

[hollow river]

Big pumpin

[nocturne geode]

its not dead tho just w8t

whats dead may never die

[timid cloud]

No 2nd M EON in the vault boys....

[hollow river]

REKT

[timid cloud]

[hollow river]

Nice 1st world problem there sir

[timid cloud]

Got the KT pants though...

[slow marsh]

just wait for the fights with tons of adds next tier

[gusty mirage]

I didn't even get a serious upgrade

[nocturne geode]

5 spikes be balling then

[slow marsh]

and then cry because monk instantly obliterates them before you spike everything

[sharp zodiac]

I feel this. Legit took off my other one to try and trick Vault Gods

[nocturne geode]

monks will be to busy channels FOF

channeling*

[sharp zodiac]

I mean there are

A lot lot lot of cleave fights

[gusty mirage]

and still doing more aoe damage than you

[timid cloud]

Crying in the club right now....

[nocturne geode]

and we will be to busy getting free CP from bonespike pad

[hollow river]

That’s it I’m rerolling

[slow marsh]

oh yeah and the MM hunters just mowing everything down with their tier

[timid cloud]

I had a 60k pull the other day...

On my Sub Rogue...

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

....& my MM Hunter....

[gusty mirage]

and your ww monk

[timid cloud]

No, it's Kyrian, so it was only 50...

[gusty mirage]

lmao

its okay guys rogues will be top of the meters next tier

[timid cloud]

[nocturne geode]

what if blizz nerfs obedience

[slow marsh]

in deaths cuz we got too used to frost shields

[gusty mirage]

2 extra bone spikes will save the day

[timid cloud]

They already did.

[spice spire]

@slow marsh

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7SY1X65aWFvcD2sZ2evrWX

[gusty mirage]

they could remove the cdr completely and it'd still be better than deathspike

[spice spire]

Get juiced nerd

[timid cloud]

True, we wouldn't have a long term haste, but we'd still have those stats.

[nocturne geode]

i have those stats too when linked w my kyrian drood bois

for free

WYM

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'd take the 8%/16% crit over vers

but hey man

[hollow river]

./spits

[gusty mirage]

you do you

[arctic hare]

HGAHA!

[spice spire]

I said it was sauce

[slow marsh]

oh so i just need to get a 252 fusion amp then MA wins by 26 pog

[arctic hare]

GOT THE HEROIC SYLV DAGGER!

[gusty mirage]

yeah just loot it

hello?

[nocturne geode]

@slow marsh but youll have faulty

[spice spire]

That and KA

[nocturne geode]

111 crit on that

[slow marsh]

Wait KA on necro kek

Big vers

[spice spire]

He’s anti-crit simming rn

[nocturne geode]

hahaha

[spice spire]

The whole point of this is he’s allergic to it in burst windows so he runs subterfuge

[gusty mirage]

hi welcome to gemstones
-sims since march 9 2021

[spice spire]

Nah it was craving for a while

But it hits a wall fast

[gusty mirage]

cuz you probably had doo doo gear

[spice spire]

Unlike venthyr

[gusty mirage]

just be better

[spice spire]

Nah - I had 41 and it wanted more

43 was a hard drop

Meanwhile venthyr is begging

[slow marsh]

wait i really want to see this simmed tho

delaying shiv vanish on open

[nocturne geode]

does BS scale w vers hard?

🤔

[gusty mirage]

compared to what?

popping vendetta?

[slow marsh]

no

[gusty mirage]

delaying it from what though

[slow marsh]

delaying it for after gemstones

[spice spire]

After gemstones

[slow marsh]

so you get the full use of both

[spice spire]

It’s bad there’s no way it’s good

[slow marsh]

I know it shouldn't be good

[spice spire]

And I s2g if it is. I’ll troll oxi irl

[gusty mirage]

so you'd vendetta -> shiv -> vanish after gemstones?

[slow marsh]

no

[gusty mirage]

so yes you'd hold it after pushing vendetta then

[slow marsh]

You SBS - > SnD -> mut gar rup vendetta

[gusty mirage]

is what you're saying

[slow marsh]

like normal

then just wait to shiv vanish until after gemstones

[gusty mirage]

I mean

as long as you get the full shiv in vendetta

[slow marsh]

so you still get full 9s of shiv inside vendetta

[gusty mirage]

it's not an issue

[slow marsh]

• iqd

but iqd not that big of deal for it

[gusty mirage]

why would you troll me

[slow marsh]

cuz he's been playing necro this whole time

suboptimally

if it's true

[spice spire]

No I haven’t

My stats are more attuned to Necro than yours

I sim my talents every upgrade

[gusty mirage]

when did I ever say "lol if you delay shiv + vanish window after gemstones its a loss"

necro is still less damage than venthyr ST

sorry to break it to you

even if you discover some sick gemstones optimization

[spice spire]

Got my first in almost two months Sunday

[slow marsh]

Yes it's still less dam in st we all know that oxi geez what a party pooper

[gusty mirage]

I'm just wondering where I tie into this little necro circle jerk

[slow marsh]

you don't tie into it

[gusty mirage]

where if waiting out gemstones = gain = troll oxi

[timid cloud]

LOL

[slow marsh]

idk maybe cuz you are tied to quake

[gusty mirage]

@slow marsh

????

[spice spire]

Holding CDs = bad = get some sleep nerd

[timid cloud]

Oxi put on his Tiny Toxic Blades leggo.

[gusty mirage]

I hold shiv vanish for like 3s in my opener

ermagawd

[slow marsh]

idk you and quake have the human centipede name thing not me

[spice spire]

3s isn’t 14s

[gusty mirage]

and neither is gemstones

[spice spire]

Or even 12

[gusty mirage]

funny how that works

[spice spire]

It takes 2s to build + 10s to finish

[gusty mirage]

damn dude

I vendetta right after first mutilate

you right

[slow marsh]

IQD + Gemstones puts me at 80% crit on pull yeah i'm delaying my shit when I play this later

[gusty mirage]

we're not a robot that perfectly executes things, you'll delay whether you want to or not sometimes

because of mechanics

because your tanks decided today was the day they wanted to run a 4k while tanking

etc

[spice spire]

Few seconds is one thing

A solid 8 or so per is another

[gusty mirage]

let me reiterate this for you

[slow marsh]

Yeah I mean you don't shiv until gemstones is already 4-5 seconds in anyways

[gusty mirage]

as long

as

shiv

is in vendetta

it doesn't matter

[spice spire]

Vanish homie

[slow marsh]

vanish goes with shiv same diffy

[spice spire]

You also delay it thrice- then you’re missing a cast by default

Probably not good on that level alone

[gusty mirage]

well you wouldn't delay it every single time

[slow marsh]

you already delay for like 10s if vend is coming up so

it actually is better maybe

cuz you dont have to delay your shiv for 2nd vend

[gusty mirage]

fuck me 9.2 needs to come out already

[small basin]

you delay shiv 10 sec for vendetta?

[gusty mirage]

this is tiring

[spice spire]

Yes

@small basin

[small basin]

ok ty

[drowsy parcel]

who cares about gemstones

why arent you guys a member of kevin gang

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

cuz sim doesn't like kevin

[grand ridge]

(doesn't know what a gemstone is)

[gusty mirage]

shiv,if=dot.garrote.ticking&dot.rupture.ticking&(!cooldown.sepsis.ready|cooldown.vendetta.remains>12)|dot.sepsis.ticking

cough

[drowsy parcel]

why are you necro if you obey sims that badly

[gusty mirage]

because they hate themselves

[spice spire]

Sepsis

[small basin]

bonesmith conduit

[gusty mirage]

just do it

full send night fae

[grand ridge]

Ty

[gusty mirage]

you're already throwing by playing necro

[spice spire]

Wdym Cev in the lab cooking good king

But like legit, holding shiv vanish until after gemstones seems dog water, and I would be real surprised if it amounted to anything but a loss

[gusty mirage]

play around with the apl

try it out

I don't plan on playing necro so I couldn't give less of a fuck

earn a green name then flex on me

😛

[oak sky]

W

[slow marsh]

i would be surprised if it's a loss cuz you're only delaying ti for 5-6 seconds

[gusty mirage]

who knows, delaying first shiv + vanish could even be a gain

[spice spire]

Flex on you with what

[small basin]

i wish flag gave cp

[slow marsh]

fixed

[spice spire]

You’re delaying it longer than that. You still have to build, it’s extremely quick but it’s not sub 2 global quick.

[slow marsh]

Sorry to inadvertently cause you so much grief oxi what can i do to repay you

[slow marsh]

na it's literally 5 seconds i just did it on dummy

[gusty mirage]

tell the great vault to give me an upgrade

1 side grade and research in the last 2 months is kinda rude

[slow marsh]

k send me its number

[small basin]

do you stil do 10 keys?

[spice spire]

Sbs + snd + mut (say it’s here) + rupture + vendetta - that’s into a .8s into a 10s window, or move it back one, it’ll be 1.6s. That’s still an 8s delay

[gusty mirage]

nah not worth it, can only get a belt upgrade that's worse than the soulrender belt & a 252 phial

[small basin]

fair

[gusty mirage]

I still do 4 keys though on the off chance that I get blessed with a max ilvl phial

[slow marsh]

i speak a 252 phial over your vault

[small basin]

finally get my max frost set tomorrow

maybe my logs wont suck anymore

[spice spire]

Mr. Iceblades, if I get a 252 phial I will do that APL. On Jah.

Bless up

[slow marsh]

im gonna test it on this normal terragrue and do like a billion dps

[gusty mirage]

god speed

tinkering with the APL for something like that will take a lot of trial and error esp if you don't know it as well as papa whispyr

[spice spire]

Yeah I know

I gotta learn it somehow

Like I said, reading is easy, implementing less so

[gusty mirage]

just buy whispyr more cat ears

as payment

[spice spire]

Nah

[slow marsh]

Yeah I want to learn how to mess with apl stuff so I can do this degen stuff on my own without exposing myself

[spice spire]

I actually wanna do it myself

Even without iceblades meme nonsense

This was a goal I already set

[gusty mirage]

make sure you sim TO for Cev

[spice spire]

Ofc

[gusty mirage]

like clockwork, I mention TO and Cev in the same sentence and he pops online

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

sup

[gusty mirage]

hi 🙂

[slow marsh]

my muscle memory wont let me delay shiv

[hollow river]

Same

Hulk smash

[bleak sky]

all guild rogues got daggers in vault

not me tho

[slow marsh]

you and me both bruddah

[hollow river]

[bleak sky]

it's a sign

to delete rogue

[limber lion]

Me neither :(

[slow marsh]

no it's a sign to otp sin

can never play sub or outlaw without a dagger so

[hollow river]

I don’t even get the option of dagger so

Be happy

[bleak sky]

but outlaw is so fun

[hollow river]

All rogue specs fun

[gusty mirage]

after this man shames me for making an outlaw rogue on TR

[hollow river]

Wish all rogues would love each other instead of being toxic based on spec

[spice spire]

Wdym all rogue homies are chill

We do hate the boomkins tho

[slow marsh]

bro this delay shiv is stupid i'm just playing subt

[limber lion]

Shiv delay?

[dusk cave]

so i didnt kill sylv this week and still got a dagger?? i thought you could only get bosses that you killed?

[limber lion]

No you unlock the loot once and after that it doesn’t matter what you kill

[dusk cave]

ohh gotcha thanks

[slow marsh]

running MA with heirmer overcaps crit by a lot since you vanish during gemstones so delay shiv vanish like 5-6 secs until after gemstones is over to get max value inside of vend

[hollow river]

nah not all

have had some toxicity in the hood lately

[bleak sky]

you don't have proof of that

any pictures are fabricated

I don't consent to being searched for this image officer

[limber lion]

Why would you hold Shiv though?

Can’t you just hold Vanish?

[slow marsh]

yeah you probs could and it'd be fine

[limber lion]

Shiv lasts 9s

MA is 3s

[spice spire]

Toxicity happens in general all homies are chill

[slow marsh]

either way you get max shiv inside of vend

[spice spire]

Gotta expect that every and the.

[limber lion]

Yeh, just don’t hold

[spice spire]

It’s a classic cursed ice blades classic, Cev

[limber lion]

But by using Shiv instantly you get 5-6s of Gemstone vslue as well inside the Shiv

[slow marsh]

Well it's either figure a way around overcapping the crit so hard or play subt in ST as necro while i farm renown so

[limber lion]

Holding means you lose out on the gemstone shiv deeps

[slow marsh]

True

So technically

[limber lion]

Yeh, just play subt tbh

If Subt sims similarly, might as well

[slow marsh]

shivving halfway through gemstones is poggers

[limber lion]

Subt is better on cleave anyways, and it’s good practice for 9.2

[spice spire]

Bro just get 252 amp, KA and free

[hollow river]

to open as outlaw or sin

that is the question

[bleak sky]

you don't have a possible sylv dagger right

[hollow river]

nop

[bleak sky]

so just open as outlaw and get a veinripper if you don't have one I guess

[hollow river]

ye just don't want any of the other slow weps

[spice spire]

True

Grue weapon

[limber lion]

Sin fo sho

[bleak sky]

it's 100% veinrippper

no way they do you dirty like that

[hollow river]

fucking

piece of shit

game

tarragrue wrist

that i already have

[spice spire]

Probably gonna get week 4 of a grue piece that I don’t need

[hollow river]

i need to take an alt seriously so i can get my weekly dopamine hit back ):

[oak sky]

the move

[hollow river]

Let’s get a move check one time for the one time

[timid cloud]

The Schmoove.

[upbeat needle]

is server down

[hollow river]

No

[slow marsh]

i just crashed for like 5 minsand got my key depleted so that's cool

[bronze pike]

Ya killed my mythic pug too

[hollow river]

Sadge

[inland hull]

Oh hey, if you got my Sylv dagger by mistake, just send it on over

[strange python]

Getting sat for sylv to let people in who have been out for awhile...feels bad

[polar timber]

is poisioned katar work on sylv

worth*

[arctic hare]

So how does the stacking debuff on the Sylv dagger work?

does it just do more dmg as it stacks up or somethin?

[slow marsh]

No

[slow marsh]

Yep

[polar timber]

kk ty

[outer cairn]

do we pool only for envenoms or also to use rupture?

[slow marsh]

i mean if you can pool without overcapping and keeping everything up then go for it

[woven ruin]

In m+, why is sin in mid b-tier? Feels really good right now, especially on tormented weeks.

[small basin]

other specs better

like sub

[glacial bough]

dont mean to be annoying but checked pins and faq and cant find if we're going theortar or nadija?

[small basin]

2nd pin says theo better with crit tea

🙂

[glacial bough]

oh shit i just cant read

[drifting cloud]

theyre pretty close you cant go wrong with either

[glacial bough]

my b, ty

[small basin]

nps

[celest sail]

shit

is lumbering or towers better for frost muti

[cobalt pelican]

i'm sure you can figure that one out yourself

i believe in you

[celest sail]

i mean i went with lumbering, but 10/10/10/10 is roughly 40%

and im not super well geared, so 10% crit might be good

[keen garden]

By description I thought dealing with serrated bone spike would be annoying... finally tried NL out

am in love

[celest sail]

am i missing something?

oh wait towers is 10/10/10/10/10 so it wouldve been better

i forget mastery is a stat that exists :\

[balmy condor]

dead covenant next patch

[cobalt pelican]

no you're good bud i forgot they updated the powers hehe so it's a lil more complicated, ten of towers wouldn't be 50% but it should be marginally better than lumbering but probably by like 1-2%

[keen garden]

Dammit Whispyr, I just started playing this spec lol don't do this to me >_<

[celest sail]

yea, also makes you not have to take key

though, key was better than my other choices that one anyways

[keen garden]

Oh suffers the old forced AoE and nothing else leggo just like necro druid doesnt it

[celest sail]

ye

[balmy condor]

yeah necro legendary is actually 0 dps single target

so next patch you're just like 5-6% behind baseline

[split grail]

Sp now that I'm 80 with all covs, what is the 9.2 meta looking like?

[balmy condor]

venth

[split grail]

ty for the quick answer

[cobalt pelican]

start farming soul shape forms

[split grail]

Dashing Obedience?

Or doomblade obedience?

[balmy condor]

either that or doom, or dusk

[drifting cloud]

DUSK HYPE

[balmy condor]

that's what I wrote into the pin I think

[split grail]

Hmm...I don't like Dusk. I prefer my cds have the same cd. IT's why I hate outlaw

[balmy condor]

the whole point of dusk is to have your cd's sync up

[keen garden]

I feel like everyone isn't excited enough about being able to have their legendary + maw rattle

9.2 should be known in history as the rat patch

[spice spire]

[split grail]

Maybe I'm reading it wrong or maybe I'm stupid. But if Dusk resets your vendetta faster doesn't it mean it wouldn't line up with vanish(or any other 2min cds) anymore?

[drifting cloud]

we also have a 90s cd

with venthyr

[balmy condor]

it goes down to 65ish seconds, which lines up with flag with obedience

[split grail]

I see, that makes sense

[drifting cloud]

and yeah if the 4pc interacts with vendetta however strong it would be, dusk would just make it twice as strong

also @balmy condor stop replying during p1 intermission rp

[balmy condor]

what else am I supposed to do

[spice spire]

Kill Sylv

[drifting cloud]

you were so good on dmg there

[spice spire]

The 0.0% wipe was something

[drifting cloud]

rip tanks

[balmy condor]

we did have a 0.0% wipe earlier

[drifting cloud]

oh

[spice spire]

Yeah

It was very

[balmy condor]

half the raid got shredded by the last knives

[spice spire]

Yeah 9 deaths will do that

You guys fucking have it homie

You just need the ryler prog special. P1 wipe into a kill

[drifting cloud]

[slow marsh]

bro tell me why i got pulled into painsmith on a trial because dps kept dying

[hollow river]

wut

sounds sussy

[oak sky]

anyone know how to fix a bug where your cursor randomly untargets the boss when you hover over it

while clicking in

[hollow river]

you might be clicking on players accidentally

happens to me sometimes too

[oak sky]

im holding down on click

its a bug

[hollow river]

idk man

happens to me too

[oak sky]

it never happened before today

[hollow river]

maybe your mouse is letting off the click and going right back

[oak sky]

ive made no changes since yesterday

[hollow river]

how old is the mouse

[oak sky]

uhhhh

4 years

[hollow river]

yeah that could be it fr

[slow marsh]

ye they had people dying too much i guess

tghere are other trials in here tho

[hollow river]

yeah that's kinda sussy boi

i mean if it was just trials then it's w/e

[slow marsh]

yeah but whatevs makes me look better i guess

[oak sky]

fuck i guess i have to get a new mouse

issue is if the problem isnt my mouse its gonna feel worse

its like definitely some kind of double click issue

[slow marsh]

Yeah gm said "we have big bench players we were trying to keep in to funnel look but they kept dying so i sat them"

[slow marsh]

new mouse for christmas pog

[oak sky]

yeah but then i have to find one thats similar

[slow marsh]

true

I have a generic hyperx fps mouse so i wouldn't mind a new one

[oak sky]

year

idk

maybe theres a newer version of my current mouse

[hollow river]

what kinda mouse u got groaner

[oak sky]

g602 i think

i can probably get a newer one from the same series

[hollow river]

yer

[oak sky]

g604 is the new one

maybe thats the play

its been good to me

for fps mmo and moba

[carmine dawn]

G502 master race

[hollow river]

ye my lil bro likes the g600's

they're not bad i just prefer naga style mmo mice

[oak sky]

idk i didnt even play mmo when i got the mouse

but i cant change now

now that i do play mmo

[nocturne geode]

anyone feel like looking at my first night of sylvie prog on my rogue?

[oak sky]

i would but im currently in raid

if nobody helps you in the next hour i can do it

[nocturne geode]

kk

[slow marsh]

I could look but I haven't actually done the fight so dunno if i'm qualified

[hollow river]

i felt the same way, i had a heavier steel series mouse and i was soo used to it

but it didn't take long to get used to the mmo style mouse

makes keybinding sub and outlaw so much easier

[oak sky]

600 has 6 mouse buttons

having more would mess with me since im used to it

[nocturne geode]

im just super rusty and such had to take a break on painsmith prog and then got asked to come back early for sylv so skipped alot of bosses lol

[carmine dawn]

Wish I could just copy and paste what cev said to me lol

Kind of pertains to all

I mean I’m on mobile

[slow marsh]

IK what you're supposed to be doing but like I said I haven't done it myself. Also idk if anyone is on rn to open the log thread but go ahead and post it

[carmine dawn]

But post it here and someone will review it eventually

[nocturne geode]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZpNnkMrRWt6ADLQd/#type=damage-done&fight=27

[carmine dawn]

Whispyr prob still asleep for a bit

[nocturne geode]

nw its only p1 atm

[balmy condor]

yeah asleep in p1 sylv

[carmine dawn]

Go to bed

[balmy condor]

it's 9pm

[carmine dawn]

You’re not eu?

[balmy condor]

I'm in california

[carmine dawn]

Bro wtf all this time I thought you were just a eurobro with insanely good English

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

I'm an ameribro with insanely good german

[carmine dawn]

[slow marsh]

That's cev

[carmine dawn]

What do you even look for in p1 logs? Just make sure you pair vend with flag cause everyone else is doing the mechs

[nocturne geode]

im necro

🙂

[slow marsh]

I mean to be honest rogue isn't really doing anything in p1 outside of don't die

[carmine dawn]

Well I got nothin

[hollow river]

🤮

[carmine dawn]

Rogue isn’t doing anything the whole fight but sticking on sylv

[nocturne geode]

i was just asking to make sure there wasnt any major outliers

you kno?

[carmine dawn]

Nah it’s mostly proper CD usage

Sin doesn’t have the aoe burst for arrows

Just make sure to cloak before the allarrow before p2

[nocturne geode]

does that stop me from getting grabbed?

[carmine dawn]

No just dmg. But that’s still huge for healers

So stack with the group still

[slow marsh]

you're not running subt so don't open with garret

[nocturne geode]

kk

[jaunty arrow]

Raid get less dmg

[slow marsh]

open with sbs

[carmine dawn]

Yeah sorry I’m on mobile

[nocturne geode]

kk

[carmine dawn]

I didn’t look

[nocturne geode]

kk

[carmine dawn]

Other big things are doing add arrows correctly

You can avoid a lot of dmg by saving shadowstep for the come back

Or grapple

[jaunty arrow]

U are good with feint

[nocturne geode]

im a goblin so i just jump back

😄

[slow marsh]

you can cloak the arrow dam right after they come out

but yeah fix opener is the biggest thing i see atm cuz that's just across the board any fight

[nocturne geode]

ohh thanks i thought about that but wasnt sure

[jaunty arrow]

U can use feint + pot/heal if range and u are ok

[carmine dawn]

But making sure you have cloak for pre p2 arrows is really big imo

[slow marsh]

ye you'll be fine i just hate having cloak up when it's not gonna get used for anything else

[carmine dawn]

Yeah it’s a solid 3-4 mins

[slow marsh]

not a big deal either wya

[nocturne geode]

for sure thanks!

[jaunty arrow]

Just survive rave

Hardest part kekw

[nocturne geode]

thats the annoying part w my wittle goblin feet

im like please free me

[carmine dawn]

[slow marsh]

make sure you're dumping sbs inside of gemstones i think you missed a set at 1min in

[jaunty arrow]

Dude in my guild lots of ppl die here :pepeclown-1:

[nocturne geode]

ohh shit haha thanks

[carmine dawn]

Anyone else keep X bound as sit to flex during rive?

King of the hill but sitting

[slow marsh]

and maake sure to sync shiv + vanish together. you vanished then shived like 4sec after

[oak sky]

used to

i rebound x

[carmine dawn]

Whoever sits longest gets 20K

[oak sky]

:/

[carmine dawn]

I made that up but I’d play

[slow marsh]

so seems like just rust once you get more in the groove you'll be fine

[oak sky]

x is smoke bomb

im ready for next tier

[slow marsh]

I actually don't have x bound

[hollow river]

My X is uhh

Health pot

[slow marsh]

Smoke bomb used to be shift space bar for pvp but now it's the lock gate toy

alas i've done it boys

without crit tea

[nocturne geode]

eyyy welcome to the club

sadly i has to part w a little crit

im back down to 46

[slow marsh]

yeah sim wants me to gem some haste now but i think it's because of party favors

[hollow river]

Rookie numbers

[nocturne geode]

50% w food buff tho 😄

[hollow river]

My sims like haste more with more choices of gear

Sims lowered my crit to 40-42%

[oak sky]

same i also have 49%

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

I was missing the soulrender belt

which i got tonight

[oak sky]

it should be lower tho

[slow marsh]

yeah when I swap to iqd it's 46.3

[oak sky]

ew

if i get fusion amp it goes down 3%

then it goes up a little with kt and sylv pieces

then it goes down with sylv belt

[slow marsh]

Yeah with actual bis gear the kt sylv pieces mess stuff up. It'll want to keep some of the lower ilevel crit/haste gear

Like there's a clear breakpoint where it doesn't want anymore crit at all and I think it's because of the 25% uptime on the 3% crit

so sweet spot is likely just 47% and reroll tea

[oak sky]

i like the top gear sweet spot

[slow marsh]

Yeah ik that's what I'm sayin

But top gear will use all the party favors buffs at 25% so if you really wanted to squeeze out the extra 10 dps

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

nooooo

next time

[fallow otter]

340...ohmy

Abuse the people that didn't pot

[gloomy knoll]

did your priest forget to pi?

[balmy condor]

Our shadow priest?

[gloomy knoll]

nah disc priest

the elusive special

[arctic walrus]

I’m available for commissions

[balmy condor]

How much for mythic sylv 3 traders

[arctic walrus]

You’re asking the 5 of 7 daggers looter of consequence I don’t come cheap

[balmy condor]

How bout a reach-around and I’ll introduce you to my parents

Oh and I’ll set my relationship status to taken

[arctic walrus]

Is mom single?

[balmy condor]

Not currently but she has a history of being single

[arctic walrus]

Oh I actually forgot about the incident I did not mean to pinch old wounds

[marble hemlock]

i need a second dagger too

[balmy condor]

Ask @outer lotus to trade it, he only needs one

Oh wait

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

vel and i went to highschool together, so i got first pick

[balmy condor]

I have my doubts

[marble hemlock]

about what

calling me a liar?

[balmy condor]

About the validity of that story

[marble hemlock]

you got any reason to believe its not true?

[balmy condor]

Yes

The fact that you grew up on opposite sides of the world

Would be the first issue

[marble hemlock]

thats already wrong

we both live on the northern side of the planet

so it cannot be opposite sides

[arctic walrus]

Also Incorrect because you can’t live on the opposite side youd fall cuz flat and nothing underneath

[marble hemlock]

ye

maybe theyre all wearing a harness and are locked into rods like curtains

[slow marsh]

Is that why I sometimes feel like I'm falling when I go to sleep

[subtle tundra]

another finger to the finger collection

its all coming together

[oak sky]

lets go dude

[subtle tundra]

still missing 5 252s but im getting there

[manic harness]

EP wins ST over Blindside for me

I'm free, boys

[hollow river]

Link

I’m interested to see this

@manic harness

[slow marsh]

Same

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/57MdVAhApoVUuD6WBEYcmv

@hollow river

[hollow river]

Wow lol ep mfd actually within margin

[slow marsh]

I'm hoping for ep/DS tier in 9.2

[hollow river]

That’s sick

Same

Just hope they change the tier set to give us faster game play

Energy or something

[grim hornet]

u guys don't like blindside?

[slow marsh]

Im banking on the 1min obed dusk dream

[hollow river]

Same

I like blindside deeper

But it’s so niche use cases

[slow marsh]

Blindside is fine it's just once there's any singular add then ep wins immediately

[hollow river]

Guardian only

[slow marsh]

Also with ep you feel like you're good sometimes if you can manage better uptime on it

[grim hornet]

hmmmm

maybe im wrong but for some fights with adds, i don't feel like me, as a rogue, should focus on the aoe part. If mates can have it covered, if i can ditch more dmg to boss, why wouldn't i?

[slow marsh]

I think the faster bleeds idea + 1min vends will def speed us up in some ways

You don't do aoe

[hollow river]

Because you can get more boss damage by putting bleeds on adds

[slow marsh]

You bleed for more energy to do more boss dam

Ye

[grim hornet]

ye that's why im saying some fights with adds

like im not gonna spread bleeds on roh kalo adds, or even painsmith

[hollow river]

Literally every fight with adds

[grim hornet]

depending on how much time the adds live

[hollow river]

I’m dotting them

[slow marsh]

You should though it would increase your boss dam as well as overall

[hollow river]

Low point ruptures