I mean their worst case is 2p is still +5%
#assassination
bronze pike
2pc needs work
bronze pike
It looks great on paper but needs something more
oak sky
2p i think is fine to be simple if it works well with the 4p
bronze pike
Instead of buffing shiv
slow marsh
I think 4p should work around dot crits
bronze pike
What if it buffs vendetta
slow marsh
Could be fun
slow marsh
Like 4p makes dot crits tick twice in vendetta or something
oak sky
Could be cool
slow marsh
So it's obvi rng but when they hit it's like x4
oak sky
Ideally it would be something that messes with how we play slightly but something useful would be good enough for me
slow marsh
It'll just depend on if they want to keep 2p or 4p. Both are usable individually but not necessarily together
Imo the 2p seems more out of place than 4p so that's why I tend to focus on that for ideas
bronze pike
Well the week is almost over
We about to see ptr soon
Probs might see more news this weekend
hoary night
Yeah next week i guess?
bronze pike
dec 8th I believe
oak sky
Yeah ptr should be during next week
fallow otter
Need dat 1m trinky
bronze pike
Oh
I mean it’s adds to the burst sure
But pelagos, and icd get me to cap mastery
Which is always a good time to make your fv basically double damage lmao
50k* crits even more if I get unholy proc to line up with burst
Now imagine with kyrian lego
fathom flax
Hello been a long time
Did I miss the memo about swapping to theotar instead of nadija
oak sky
Guess so
balmy condor
Ye
oak sky
3rd potency
spark scaffold
Haste tea simms better for me than crit 
subtle tundra
do you have like 55% crit already and no haste?
fallow otter
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4DtMQMSgYWidrMJthBHCFv
Not much in it for my shit gear alt, but dmg is dmg
spark scaffold
do you have like 55% crit already and no haste?
46% crit and 18% haste
subtle tundra
and are you simming with the set active?
spark scaffold
Yeah
subtle tundra
spark scaffold
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/74nu7m29Stz7hPN6e6svsa this is crit
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8WgW4hHeTb5BW6jfUjk5qw this is haste
Ignore the gem simms was just making sure they're all good
mystic garden
finally got my SFA
spark scaffold
Hmm might've messed them up
subtle tundra
finally got my SFA
whats that?
mystic garden
salvaged fusion amp
mystic garden
it simmed better than heroic painsmith one
subtle tundra
both are bad
mystic garden
id obviously like a phial but i cant exactly shit one out
subtle tundra
you kinda can
subtle tundra
when you do your 10 weeklies, do pf 🙂
mystic garden
-__-
normal mist
I guess he doesn't do 10 weeklies
mystic garden
never thought of that. "just do the dungeon 4head"
celest ruin
i got like 5 shoulders from pf before i got my phial lmao
mystic garden
so again i predominantly raid
subtle tundra
well, i do expect people on a rogue discord channel to play the game
just from doing pfs you can get massive upgrade, 2x 246 weapon and phial
charred wraith
well, i do expect people on a rogue discord channel to play the game
thats funny
mystic garden
anyhow just wanted to say to all the not nitpicky peeps that i got my SFA and am quite happy with the DPS gain
charred wraith
gz
mystic garden
have a good night all. back to the SYLV que
sullen torrent
id obviously like a phial but i cant exactly shit one out
have you tried buying valor boxes from the vendor in oribos
mystic garden
Yeah and now I’m valor broke and sad
sullen torrent
Yeah and now I’m valor broke and sad
legit what happened to me on my warlock when I was desperate for ruby
hushed dirge
Got the shoulders off of KT to complete the set.
mystic garden
3 random armor pieces 4 separate decanters of anima charged winds(wtf)
So now I’m just sad and valorless .
But that’s fine got BIS neck from raid Heroic KT and got guardian trinket tonight so ☺️
Just need KT shoulders and any Sylv gear OTHER THAN ring. Her ring has shown up in either drops or vault a total of 4 times
Like JESUS LORD WHY
bronze pike
I hope next patch
I pull out another high ilvl pf trink or explosive sack trink first week
balmy condor
The valor uncapping really didn’t come soon enough tbh
:(
I had to valor all my shit at the start when it was capped and I literally could not farm more
mystic garden
Explosive sack seems like it’ll be new BIS now that they are gonna allow it to not be IL locked
bronze pike
Explosive sack seems like it’ll be new BIS now that they are gonna allow it to n...
Oh ya, it does crazy good damage
bronze pike
Legion ring is legit gonna be big
I big doubt there’s gonna be a raid trink that trumps phial and sack
Unless it’s like broken lol
Cause sack proc is hella strong and the mastery stat benefits every spec in 9.2
balmy condor
It isn’t simming great tbh but idk if the effect is in
bronze pike
Imagine tho class trinks lol like in wod
rotund oak
would obedience be reasonable for mythic KT?
to flag both KT and remnant
(we are progressing)
gusty mirage
Should be ye, esp w/ mfd resets maximizing the cdr
gusty mirage
That’s the new tech for venthyr assa 
rotund oak
i literally dont play assa,just cant cope with progress playing sub or outlaw,too much screw up and disrupts happening
especially down on remnant
i wanna shoot myself
pll dont stack,cant even dance without a clos
so im either thinking the typical dashing frost or obedience
since its like 1min
to minmax the pump for KT and remnant
gusty mirage
Yeah remnant part of KT is a shit show esp if you send a bunch of people downstairs
rotund oak
can like accept being alot of ppl downstairs,not doing dps and eveyrhitng can respect that
charred wraith
can you stack hello
gusty mirage
I remember our prog and our RL who was upstairs asks “how’s it looking down there?”
rotund oak
its jsut impossible for me to go all out with stuff/pools all over the place
charred wraith
but i guess yeah boomkins are always the problem
gusty mirage
“Pretty sure what Baghdad looked like in 2003 man”
gusty mirage
Ye if you got a ton of melee downstairs and there isn’t good stacking it’s a shit show
gusty mirage
We’re melee heavy so we just sent our 2nd boomie down for 2nd phylac phase
It smoothed it out a bit
gusty mirage
Yeah we had 2 warriors, a DH, me, and a boomie
rotund oak
they are in an even worse spot than me
gusty mirage
And a healer
rotund oak
ye hpally
gusty mirage
So circles were wild
gusty mirage
Just have the monk go down and tag em and go back up tbh
It’s a waste putting a monk in the phylac
wooden kiln
Hello, I have a question for KT, sorry if it has already been answered
We started the progress yesterday and I play assa, is my "Duelist" debuff stuck on the remnant after I come back to hit KT if I went on remnant's realm?
rotund oak
It’s just better
❤️ copied
wooden kiln
On KT only? Or just everywhere? I read it was better with crit tea, but is it still better with others?
Or fairly close that we just don't care about Nadjia anymore?
balmy condor
Everywhere
The only thing worse is agi tea
And with the timings on thrill seeker
Even that’s a hard case to make
rotund oak
YES thrill seeker sucks
limber lion
That's on 5 minute patchwork with no mechanics/movement as well
Keep the encounter in mind when choosing either or
Or be like me and choose one and stop caring about minute things and never touch it again
rotund oak
and do 100 logs because 
tbh
limber lion
Why would you parse something like purple when you can get a 100 parse? Just get it
rotund oak
your mind must have deciphered exactly how assa dmg goes out on every global
there is no other explanation 😛
balmy condor
70% winds crit helps
rotund oak
yes!
balmy condor
Want to parse? Have you considered just critting more?
gusty mirage
Want to parse? Have you considered just critting more?
faint harness
<a:NOTED:827627404293963777>
wooden kiln
Thanks for ur answer guys, gonna try theotar then!
Have a great day 🙂
gusty kestrel
np
faint harness
Thank you Haki, I will try have a good day. The early signs are that its gonna be at best average. But I will try in your honor of course. Weather is bland, you know the drill L o L.
balmy condor
Use your twitch prime
gusty kestrel
Use your twitch prime
ty for reminding i havent used mine yet
soft shale
rip inbox
balmy condor
ty for reminding i havent used mine yet
I’m sure infexious will appreciate your generous donation
faint harness
Wrong rogue
soft shale
garret 3
gusty kestrel
surely he will
faint harness
Times are rough in potato country
balmy condor
Wrong country
gusty mirage
Times are rough in potato country
soft shale
we can all donate some dps to our fellow poisonous rogues
gusty mirage
Close enough
faint harness
shit
soft shale
make a change
gusty mirage
I’m sure they have potatoes in Scotland too
rotund oak
fun fact
gusty kestrel
nope
rotund oak
they originate from peru
gusty kestrel
hows that funny?
faint harness
@shy dust care to comment?
rotund oak
its a matter of speech
gusty kestrel
u always are
balmy condor
Also true
dry void
sry if its a stupid question but does EP buff the frost set missile?
dry void
kk
indigo mulch
The memes are strong today
drifting cosmos
when is the great push?
gusty mirage
when is the great push?
Time trials or the actual event?
drifting cosmos
actual event
gusty mirage
December 10th
drifting cosmos
oh ok thx
alpine radish
Hi guys, been having a whirl with sin w/ doom lego
What haste should I be aiming for roughly
Got about 30%crit 23%haste and 10%vers atm I know there is sims but there must be a 'nice' level of haste
Usually sub so I have no idea about sin
gusty mirage
What haste should I be aiming for roughly
Use topgear to figure out pieces to wear. There really isn’t any secondary number you’re aiming for outside of crit when using the frost shards
If you’re running frost shards you’d want around 40% crit but always use topgear to figure out your best gear set up and droptimizer to figure out what to target
limber lion
Got about 30%crit 23%haste and 10%vers atm I know there is sims but there must b...
You're incorrect in saying that "there must be a nice level of haste".
I currently have 8% haste, completely fine
Prior to frost shards were sitting at around 25% or something, but the difference between the two ain't really that noticeable
Anyone who tells you you need a certain haste % are lying
And anyone who says you can feel the difference between 20 and 25% haste are lying as well
gusty mirage
Yeah I’m down to 17% from the 24% I was at last tier and it feels the exact same
gusty mirage
Only secondary we care about this tier is crit and that’s because of the frost shards
limber lion
Of course it also affects bleed tick rate, and thus that way giving more energy
But still very minor
We keep moving away from energy regen more and more. From Blindside/Vigor to Blindside/Deeper to EP/Vigor to EP/Deeper
alpine radish
I should probably mention as I'm sub I only have the blood set, but this is more for a dungeon setting
limber lion
That's fine, just follow your sims and gear accordingly
alpine radish
Only have r2 Frost atm
limber lion
Work on upgrading your frost set
You get r4 in a week
And r5 in 3 weeks after that
alpine radish
Working on that over unholy as sub is fine with blood even if I'm kyrian now
But lvling necrolord with sin as I've maxxed venth and kyrian now
Thanks for your feedback that's helped out alot
limber lion
Good luck!
gusty mirage
<@!192059095279337473> so helpful
marble hemlock
10% haste is 1 energy more pet second, so one extra mutilate every minute.
well, you also get more VW energy with 10% haste :>
outer cairn
picked up Daschia's boots from Mythic on tuesday. Nice little upgrade. Had the eye chest piece from heroic sitting in my bag for awhile. Didn't want to use it over normal Syl chest I had because of crit, but since been shifting to Obe instead of Dashing, I simmed it and low and behold, was higher. Dropped some crit, but def added some much needed haste to the build. Sad to see Dashing go bye bye, but I like using Flag more and getting those stacks up with MfD.
soft shale
why would you be sad dashing is kinda boring and passive
outer cairn
because when it first came out it was what i was working towards while playing sub. once i got the leggo and my gems up to start using it, it was nice to go back to assassination.
gusty mirage
something that adds passive versatility and cdr to flagellation
is so much more exciting
soft shale
ahaha tbh not many of rogues legendaries are exciting
gusty mirage
because we're not allowed to have nice things
outer cairn
well i think pairing doomblade with obe is going to be nice
soft shale
hmm chances are obe is paired with either dusk or dashing but who knows
maybe we even get a dagger with a cool effect
so we dont have to farm sylv until 2023
gusty mirage
maybe we even get a dagger with a cool effect
outer cairn
got one heroic one. know a guy that got one to drop and one in the vault. SoB.
gusty mirage
it took them how long to add a unique dagger into the game?
9.1? first time since when? cata?
soft shale
what im really sad about assa is necro seems so cool with all the set and shit but then you have deathspike
thorny pond
Artifacts kekw @gusty mirage
thorny pond
We had our lego daggers
thorny pond
yea nothing between then I don't think
outer cairn
yeah, but will the tier set affect the deathspike dmg since its a bleed or you think no? Why Dusk over Doomblade? Can't recall what Dusk does and not sure why Dashing over DB because the tier piece is about bleeds, not poisons
earnest remnant
carapace daggers had twisted appendage by default dont know if that counts
soft shale
the biggest problem about deathspike is that it exists
thorny pond
SoO had 3 daggers if that counts
soft shale
they could legit let necro equip 2 other leggos and it would be so much better
thorny pond
necro can equip obe lol
thorny pond
Stat stick
soft shale
kek
outer cairn
well if db adds a bleed and deathspike is a bleed, then wouldn't tier set with necro and db be good?
gusty mirage
well if db adds a bleed and deathspike is a bleed, then wouldn't tier set with n...
well its worded "expires 100% faster"
soft shale
that is so sad ahaha
soft shale
if they made it work with exsang too sbs could moon with sf
thorny pond
I honestly don't like the effect weapons bc then you get cases like the sylvanas ones where it isn't good on her and they balance around that
soft shale
but then we would not have servers
gusty mirage
but then we would not have servers
perfect, exsanguinate this game to the grave
wow 2.0
thorny pond
necro ability
outer cairn
oh
soft shale
i mean exsang was cool when it came out but then went into the darkness
and now its the black goat
outer cairn
because alacrity exists as a talent
thorny pond
Hacha, you have to remember in legion exsang was what kept us actually moving. We were a slow slow slow especially with AP so exsang gave us a nice pace setter
gusty mirage
alacrity existing has nothing to do with exsanguinate being bad
soft shale
more like it is not even a win over no talent
outer cairn
even if exsang was good i'm pretty sure peopel would still pick alacrity
thorny pond
Correct, legion was much more towards bleeds but we also were an MP build too at one point
MA was a lego not a talent so we ran NS
outer cairn
before everyone hates each other, just wanna say happy thanksgiving to fellow rogues. now you can kill each other
thorny pond
thanks dooshbag
outer cairn
here for you 😉
thorny pond
❤️ hope yours is good as well
outer cairn
on duty for 24. had dinner with my kids last night so not to bad but would rather be chilling at home
thorny pond
Sorry mate get some zzz when you can
outer cairn
see what i can do
thorny pond
Just make exsang 10sec CD @gusty mirage
gusty mirage
Just let exsang die its slow painful death
gusty mirage
Exsanguination is death caused by loss of blood
sounds pretty slow and painful to me
outer cairn
yeah but when you've been ruptured, garroted, doombladed
thorny pond
Yea but this is extra fast bleeding, almost like Hemorrhage
outer cairn
thats a lot of bleeding
thorny pond
just replace exsang with some beefed up hemo and I'd be happy
thorny pond
not like the old hemo, but some new one. Make it give our bleeds armor pen for the duration x how many bleeds we have up
gusty mirage
oh and outlaw and sub got poisons
outer cairn
maybe we should all just ramp haste and play exsang then when our numbers tank we complain to blizz and they fix it
gusty mirage
not like the old hemo, but some new one. Make it give our bleeds armor pen for t...
which iteration tho
gusty mirage
still not sure why they moved away from a poison build and a bleed build
thorny pond
Yea it feels like we lack an identity. Make sin rogue have a meta of either poisons or bleeds but we are kind of in this weird spot now and leaning into frost kek
gusty mirage
I just want to sit down with the guy who decided that Hidden Blades should be a talent
and ask them what they were thinking
fallen ginkgo
hello bois, do you just macro Salvaged Fusion Amplifier to Flagellation?
limber lion
I don't, but it's fine to do so
fallen ginkgo
aight sounds good. Does it consume another gcd? or is it off cd with Flaggelation in macro
timid cloud
It's a trinket, it's off GCD
limber lion
It does not
outer cairn
think its free. i have vendetta/flag/trinket in one macro and typically goes off fast
timid cloud
Good 'ol Plumage Vendetta macro...
outer cairn
yeah but if you running obe, you want to be able to cast SFA on cd, if not, then you can then also pair it with flag
but if you aren't running obe, the only thing you are pairing after open is flag and vendetta, so you should still be casting sfa on cd
outer cairn
yeah i think after opener, its cast sfa on cd, and save flag for vendetta
unless you'll lose a cast of flag
fallen ginkgo
yea i would never hold such a trinket unless you literally cant attack atm
outer cairn
go forth and do great things 🙂
willow eagle
we got slice and dice and SHIV back
Do you enjoy the brand new addition of alacrity?
gusty mirage
Do you enjoy the brand new addition of alacrity?
I love it
thorny pond
Do you enjoy the brand new addition of alacrity?
trigger warning plz
gusty mirage
now if they could copy and paste acrobatic strikes from outlaw too I'd appreciate that 🙂
willow eagle
Outlaw stuck with alacrity since legion 😔
gusty mirage
yeah they want us to suffer like outlaw
thorny pond
at least outlaw can churn some CPs
outer cairn
spark scaffold
I don't, but it's fine to do so
Isn't trinket 4 seconds into flag better?
limber lion
Isn't trinket 4 seconds into flag better?
Sure is, but is very minor
slow marsh
Happy turkey day fellow us gamers
brazen zodiac
happy thanksgiving 🦃
spice spire
No you king
balmy condor
If Im ever doing good the earth literally stops spinning and we all die
timid oasis
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
subtle tundra
If Im ever doing good the earth literally stops spinning and we all die
fuck yea dude, do it faster
charred wraith
what do we need to do to make you do good
balmy condor
Death
gusty mirage
Omw My way papi
gusty mirage
enough internet for the day
Jealousy is an ugly look on you friend
amber sun
is it worth holding every flag for vendetta if you get every pi`?
slow marsh
If you're getting PI obed is poggers
timid cloud
amber sun
yep thanks worked out well
would have lost 2 casts
though i wiped our guild the pull before
thought beam woulldnt spread with cloak
maybe i fucked up
sour wraith
desolation beam i imagine
balmy condor
yeah cloak immunes the damage but doesn't get rid of the debuff or anything, it'll still chain
shell ivy
anyone know if u can loot kt or sylv items from this https://i.imgur.com/nf2XJW9.png
oak sky
🦃
balmy condor
anyone know if u can loot kt or sylv items from this https://i.imgur.com/nf2XJW9...
cannot
drifting cloud
well in this one you cant
south hollow
oof
balmy condor
:)
gusty mirage
well in this one you cant
Ryler I just want you to know you’re a cutie
That’s it. That’s all I had to contribute
drifting cloud
no u 
spice spire
You could in 9.0 too for stone legion stuff at the very least. But in everyone I’ve played with this tier, none have gotten any 246 stuff. So unless otherwise proven, nah you can’t.
small basin
sudden hound
Yes
gusty mirage
no u <:PES_Dab:498485279427133441>
sonic schooner
quick question, do we vendetta on intermission at rohkalo or we keep it for boss every phase starts?
spice spire
For fatescribe If you need the add damage, sure. But I personally didn’t do I’d hold for boss
slow marsh
Adds will most likely die before 20s so it's wasted
slow marsh
I usually pop flag tho if using obed
sonic schooner
slow marsh
Since it's back up for next phase
sonic schooner
what is flag? 
slow marsh
Yeah I'd recommend getting venth ready anyways since it's looking like the only option atm for next patch
sonic schooner
yea
it s the last covenant i need to grind to 80
and already simmed dashing frost venthyr, dammit i ll gain some value
obtuse robin
spice spire
NF to 80 before venth 
gusty mirage
NF to 80 before venth <:monkaGIGA:597184291276980353>
limber lion
Good man
strange python
If they did something with necro legendary, it'd be worthwhile...such a shame if it stays as is.
balmy condor
If they did *something* with necro legendary, it'd be worthwhile...such a shame ...
best aoe legendary if it's not bugged for sure 
strange python
could you get dagger from the weekly quest ?
meager swallow
could you get dagger from the weekly quest ?
No. Just 239 ilvl pieces from Heroic.
drifting cloud
150
limber lion
Just like it says in the tooltip, a safe bet is to set it to your latency
For me it's like 45
Doesn't really matter too too much for our spec though honestly.
echo geyser
is this an addon or what?
sonic schooner
Yes i did nf cuz of rbg and kyrian cuz of arenas, love the sub pvp thing 🙄
versed mica
No. Just 239 ilvl pieces from Heroic.
No, I'm pretty sure the loot table changes if you've killed KT and sylv on heroic
meager swallow
No, I'm pretty sure the loot table changes if you've killed KT and sylv on heroi...
For vault. Not from weekender that specifically states 239 ilvl
timid cloud
IIRC it’s both, even without killing. Because you had people in CN who had no boss kills getting Sire 2H’s
Since if the same rules apply to the Normal one, I’ve gotten the Sylvanas belt off of it.
drifting cloud
you didnt get slynv belt from it
because ill trust wowheads 5k sample size slightly more than your word
outer cairn
limber lion
because ill trust wowheads 5k sample size slightly more than your word
I opened one of those boxes and got the Timeless Lost Proto Drake, the entire 9.2 tier set and GM powers from it, explain that mr. Wowhead
quasi venture
Only 9.2 tier sets? thats weak. i already have 10.0 tier
drifting cloud
I opened one of those boxes and got the Timeless Lost Proto Drake, the entire 9....
I believe
limber lion
Damn we got tier sets in 10.0? Hype!!
limber lion
Damn that's crazy
limber lion
Hate to see it
lapis osprey
Is there a way to manipulate the theotar tea buff, by the way?
jaunty steeple
outside of rerolling it after the 1 hour CD, no
lapis osprey
Cringe
ebon patio
Hey everyone! Good end of week to all of you. QQ over here, I normally tend to get around ~28-30 stacks of Flag during an opener with lust. But on Sylv I cannot get past the 25-26 mark consistently. Any advice?
thorny pond
Hey everyone! Good end of week to all of you. QQ over here, I normally tend to g...
Logs?
thorny pond
Just the friends you made along the way
limber lion
Highly doubt you get 30 stacks though, even with lust.
oak sky
With mfd its extremely common to get 30
Just like any other opener with lust
On sylv or whatever
oak sky
Its 28-30 very consistently
Check any of my logs besides guardian if you want
Or kt
Any boss with lust start
The nine tarragrue
Soulrender
Sylvanas
Without lust its around 25 though
Occasionally you hit that 28-30 range
Check my wipe logs my shit logs cev, it should he fairly consistent
Agreonr-tichondrius
spark scaffold
Unless boss parries your MA mutilate 
ebon patio
Logs?
You can pick these three as ref. Is prog though so dont get too scared 😛
- https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/akJ7VfDtH1nhj6yq/#fight=1&type=summary
- https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/akJ7VfDtH1nhj6yq/#fight=6&type=summary
- https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/akJ7VfDtH1nhj6yq/#fight=21&type=summary
I think those are public, let me know if they are not
timid cloud
limber lion
Fair enough
I don't remember hitting 30 with MfD commonly, just here and there
29 was the most common one
spark scaffold
You can get 26-28 consistently without MFD opener aswell
limber lion
But it's been 3 months, boomer memory
oak sky
Tons of sylv wipes here
balmy condor
I mean it super doesn’t matter
limber lion
Yeh
balmy condor
26 stacks or 29 or 30
oak sky
Its just related to not batman's question
limber lion
I already told him that it doesn't matter
oak sky
Since you should be getting 28-30 consistently with lust
limber lion
Nothing changes on Sylv, it's still 100% the same opener
balmy condor
I already told him that it doesn't matter
I already told you to stop being so cute
limber lion
I already told you to stop being so cute
Says the qt rocking a santa hat in November
balmy condor
oak sky
Santa hat starts tomorrow 👀
limber lion
It snowed like crazy here yesterday, glad I bought proper winter boots a few days ago
ebon patio
Got it. Thanks a lot! 🙇♂️
lapis osprey
I'm unsure if that's normal but assa feels really clunky to play
I'm energy starved on ST most of the time and I find myself pooling a lot for shiv
lapis osprey
Figures
limber lion
I'm energy starved on ST most of the time and I find myself pooling a lot for sh...
That's how Assa works, we aren't a fast spec. You don't pool for Shiv either, you slam that on cooldown.
lapis osprey
I meant for shiv windows*
limber lion
Yes
You don't
We don't care about energy or cp or anything when Shiv is coming up
You just slam it
lapis osprey
Do you not want to be full energy when shiv comes off cooldown
limber lion
Not necessarily
You just follow normal pooling rules
No funny business
Shiv is a pretty boring cooldown
Nothing interesting happens
There is no special number of Envenoms you need to hit or anything
lapis osprey
I figured the ideal situation would be to be full energy and cp -1
limber lion
That is the ideal situation
But it's not something you need to actively work towards
Clipping pandemic too early, wasting energy by pooling for too long etc.
lapis osprey
This feels so strange and counter intuitive
limber lion
Are much worse than just hitting Shiv on cooldown, even at 0 energy and 0cp
limber lion
You care about maintaining every debuff and fill with Envenom.
Press every ability on cooldown
Sync only if you know you won't lose casta
limber lion
You pool on Envenom
ebon patio
Sync only if you know you won't lose casta
Guess this one applies to Flag too right?
limber lion
But it's super super minor and it doesn't really matter
You don't need to worry about it
#assassination-faq has a section about pooling
limber lion
Guess this one applies to Flag too right?
Flag and Vendetta
You hold either to sync as long as you don't miss cast on either
ebon patio
Got it. Thanks a lot Cev 🍻
limber lion
:)
lapis osprey
I read the faq section about it but I don't understand what pooling on envenom means
Do I just pool every time my dots are up
limber lion
Guardian is generally a good example of a fight where you can sync all casts, as long as the fight lasts 4:20-4:40
limber lion
I read the faq section about it but I don't understand what pooling on envenom m...
You build to max-1 cp and you wait
That's it
Bleed enters pandemic, you refresh and build to max-1 again
lapis osprey
Coming from outlaw this is going to make me feel some type of way
limber lion
Shiv comes off cd, slam and stop pooling
copper sundial
The boomer spec, perfect for me.
limber lion
Sometimes you have moments where you literally idle for 3 seconds
And do nothing
Well, quite often even
spark scaffold
Do you not take into consideration the buff from envenom aswell when pooling?
ebon patio
The boomer spec, perfect for me.
I find it the perfect spec for when you are doing prog and your are nailing the mechs but your raid is not and you just want to chill. It's just comfy. And you still hit like a truck, so
limber lion
Do you not take into consideration the buff from envenom aswell when pooling?
No
The Envenom buff is completely passive and not something you should ever have to worry about
You don't even have to track it
spark scaffold
TIL
maiden tapir
Do People use 246 edge of night mh or offhand over 252?
dawn ivy
offhand
246<252 for attack damage , the EoN EFFECT will do the same damage whether its in main hand or offhand
so you just follow normal weapon rules for ilvl
outer cairn
And do nothing
Au contraire. You're still stabby stabbing with SnD.
keen garden
I'm curious - not too geared yet but not really feeling the strong potential for sin pumpin aoe, got Dashing Scoundrel as first legend and am working on pickin up zoldyck/venth leggo - but does the dungeon AoE pick up or are we mostly an ST spec?
Never see other assassins in dungeons always sub/outlaw
gusty mirage
I'm curious - not too geared yet but not really feeling the strong potential for...
depends on what you mean by it picks up
like we'll never do extraordinary aoe damage, it's just not in our toolkit but we'll do a consistent amount of damage over time w/ our bleeds and poisons in aoe
so for example if you do like a +5, the trash will die when a ww monk or mage or fury warrior breath on them and you'll do like no damage
if you do like a +20 and the trash lives longer you'll see your numbers go up because your dots actually have a chance to do the damage, but it'll still be well behind other classes
also legendary choice impacts your overall (obedience is better for prio/ST and zold will generally be better for overall damage)
pull size affects it, your group comp affects it, affixes, etc
just too many moving parts to pin point one thing that'll make or break your damage
inner pier
@rigid mango is vulpera bis?
heavy trail
Should I make obedience on head or back, wowhead says back but raider.io shows a lot use helm
heavy trail
Not too much of a big deal if its on back then right ? I will do m+ but nothing cutting edge
At this point just wanna mess around
Will get a 210 one I suppose
sour wraith
back for m+ is perfectly fine
heavy trail
all the helm recipes eventhe 190 one are 20k+ lol
sour wraith
helm is a minor min/max for m+
heavy trail
Thanks for your tips 🙂
sour wraith
sure thing
heavy trail
Seems like even at 200 ilevel assassin packs quite the punch 🙂
at least on St
does assassin get a dispel / enrage removal thing?
cinder cape
heavy trail
Yeah reading up on it now.
fallow otter
Remember when you needed numbing
heavy trail
I can't get my WA to show shiv active (the extra slow) on sub but it works fine on assassin. Is there a different spell ID for that one since it's not as good I think (Less effective)
Really love this btwloadouts addon it's so well designed.
balmy condor
never heard of it
heavy trail
Just lets you create a one button swap to a spec/cov/gear/talents thing pretty seamlessly.
rigid mango
<@!231503278695907328> is vulpera bis?
Yes king
rigid mango
<@!231503278695907328> we used to run a tight ship man
Make the game fun bro
arctic walrus
outer cairn
Remember when you needed numbing
Remember when you actually had to buy poisons and vanishing powder?
vestal wren
Remember when you actually had to buy poisons and vanishing powder?
good times ^^
outer cairn
except when you ran out lol. My rogue is actually the first toon i ever made back in vanilla. he was a night elf but at that time, like most ppl, i didn't really understand the game so i stopped playing
outer cairn
not I. I didn't really have a whole lot of gold back then to afford a mega stockpile. I know they were cheap, but like I said, I didn't even understand simple concepts at the time
then played hunter in BC, then I played DK from Wrath till Legion and faction changed my rogue and the rest is history
i actually had deleted my rogue probably like wrath or mists time frame but i asked blizz to restore him and they did
and made him a panda, hence the name from kung fu panda
hexed frost
So i finally made the jump from necro to venthyr, grinded myself to renown 59 and unlocked the last theotar soulbind. I'm currently using scoundrel/zyldock, do i need obediance for raiding?
scoundrel is still simming higher
balmy condor
Scoundrel is good
hexed frost
Scoundrel is good
For M+? Can i stick to Zyldock or go for obed?
hexed frost
For m+ you would go zold
I'm sticking with zold then, mainly because my trink is sync with flag and i don't want to mess it up
Is DSlice accurate?
balmy condor
Yes
hexed frost
oh well then i'll just sim it
lethal coral
NF Assassin Mythic Plus Dungeon Slice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a38ALYxZUr5XXGrtwCT84o
NF Assassin Mythic Plus Large Pull
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wU5Zaw1yArWjS7YnV7FRHW
I know I should be running Necro or Venth for Mythic+, but for a NF, is this acceptable? I know, some will say I'm trolling for NF, lol. I should agree. but nf hasn't given me any issues
I guess my question is, would I be hitting higher if I were Venth or Necro in comparison
balmy condor
No clue what nf numbers should look like
But they look maybe 400-500 down from a typical venth
So seems reasonable
soft shale
nf may be fine if you stagger first strike but st would be awful anyway
unless its a dungeon where adds spawn on almost all bosses
like pf
balmy condor
Hard sell though
lethal coral
my ST is 10k-14k end of fight, is that reasonable? burst varies
lethal coral
thank goodness, i've always just been a fan of the nf playstyle
balmy condor
Venth is the same exact playstyle btw
lethal coral
I had no idea! Good to know
balmy condor
Only real difference is having to build cp before hitting it
vast forum
Does nf even have a playstyle? You're just doing normal assa stuff with 1 extra button to press every 90 sec with not much interaction
lethal coral
Does nf even have a playstyle? You're just doing normal assa stuff with 1 extra ...
pretty much the playstyle i play lol.
vast forum
Aight, so line up sepsis with shiv
balmy condor
Ye
lethal coral
yop
balmy condor
But for 99% of use cases it’s just press button and forget
As good as korayn is I honestly kinda hate having to think about first strike
Cor at least lasts forever and a half
Just never feels like korayn uptime is high enough but then you think about cheesing it and it’s all pretty much a waste of time
soft shale
i guess some people do like having 75% crit while getting garrotes up
then just mut while buff is up instead of fok
you will get almost full cp anyways
makes it kinky not my play
balmy condor
Yeah but you’re not spreading poisons
soft shale
but some people might enjoy it
lethal coral
is venth faster at burst dps for packs? despite my dps, i'm not sure if my burst could be better by switching to venth or necro. my dps is good if the packs last a bit longer, but i guess what i need as key's get higher, is a burst that hits hard
balmy condor
And when you ct it’s over anyway
soft shale
assa has no burst
balmy condor
Venth burst is stronger
charred wraith
when you CT, you go out of melee to hit only 1/4 of the targets
soft shale
so cov does not matter at all
lethal coral
assa has no burst
i can drink to this
lethal coral
Venth burst is stronger
o?
balmy condor
when you CT, you go out of melee to hit only 1/4 of the targets
I’ll kill you
charred wraith
thats what a smart person would do 
soft shale
yea staggering CT and fok to get full first strike value seems like a nightmare
and anyway its not like it matters
if you lose so much st
by going nf
balmy condor
thats what a smart person would do <:silenceheathen:802244766490034226>
Moving out for cheese or killing you
lethal coral
if you lose so much st
if i'm hitting 10-12k end of fight st rn, would venth or necro be higher?
soft shale
i mean depends on fights
soft shale
tyr 25 or so it lasts around 3mins sometimes
charred wraith
both
soft shale
if bosses die in 2 mins 12 k is mightry fine
balmy condor
As much as i hate zerocool for playing dumb shit all the time
Man does fine on venth
And then goes Fae
And also does fine
soft shale
yea player diff most of the time
balmy condor
So really shouldn’t matter too much
balmy condor
Tldr: if you’re min-maxing venth vs fae vs necro just save the headache and go sub
Sin tier set in m+ next season
Gonna be real funny
lethal coral
the only pull i usually have trouble on, is halls first hero pull, i'm almost always at #3, but my other 2.5k friends tell me that's normal for my class regardless, but i aim high, or at least try to
subtle tundra
Sin tier set in m+ next season
what tier set
balmy condor
what tier set
Exactly 
balmy condor
I’m ready for 12k overall dps
To turn into 12.1k with tier
Impactful player power to work towards
subtle tundra
no dude assa broken op omega prio dps
lethal coral
big sad
balmy condor
no dude assa broken op omega prio dps
I’m on that copium for raids
But it needs help
It needs so much help
balmy condor
Anduin has a 200% damage taken phase
subtle tundra
ah, the boomy boss
balmy condor
Sin rogue time to shine
No
Ah
They don’t exist
They’re getting nerfed remember
Stick to the plan
subtle tundra
they will get nerfed on ptr, all boomies will cry on all media and then get buffed back
subtle tundra
literal cheat code class
have hard phase? not anymore, 3x boomy solves that
lethal coral
i love the boomi room in halls tho, after the boomi burst window, i usually make them #2, just a bunch of ruptures, little but of garrotes, few fok, and a shit load of cr
balmy condor
No bench
Rogues too strong
Cloak will cheese half the raid
They’ll have to take us
balmy condor
all mechanics feint-able
Elusiveness gaming
subtle tundra
ok hear me out
lethal coral
subtle tundra
elusiveness is 0 value since i dont press feint, ever
cheat death gives value cause when i eventually fuck up it procs
lethal coral
elusiveness is 0 value since i dont press feint, ever
cheat death gives value ca...
cheat death 100% for me, but also, i use feint all the time lol
subtle tundra
padding those healing meters yep
soft shale
saddest thing is feral kyrian might be better than rogue if shit does not change from tier set
balmy condor
elusiveness is 0 value since i dont press feint, ever
cheat death gives value ca...
Okay but what about taking leeching? Cheat death has 0 value when you’re not actually pulling the boss and leeching is quite good for running world quests and dailies while you wait for your raid lead to find a reason for you to continue being alive
lethal coral
i use cheat death as part of my rotation, lol. self proc's when needed for dire situations
soft shale
my man knows
balmy condor
<:Cringe:750832154358972427>
Are you a cheat death in world content gamer
subtle tundra
Okay but what about taking leeching? Cheat death has 0 value when you’re not act...
yea, and if you use master poisoner you get +5 dps from it aswell
limber lion
Are you a cheat death in world content gamer
I never touch that row. The only exception was early Torghast
subtle tundra
does this benefit them in aoe?
limber lion
Hardly ever take damage or do enough damage to justify taking LP
balmy condor
does this benefit them in aoe?
I mean kinda yeh
Attack speed basically just reads do x% more damage
subtle tundra
ok so im not sure about the sp and arms ones
balmy condor
Spriest tier is junk yard gutter trash
subtle tundra
i just wanna know if its useful in aoe
rigid pine
Arms one is useful in aoe.
subtle tundra
ok then
its only maybe SP and assa that have worthless aoe tier set
"but if you want aoe play sub!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
willow eagle
Isn't assa aoe underrated tho?
balmy condor
"but if you want aoe play sub!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Oh how times change, wouldve been outlaw any other time in the last 7 years
subtle tundra
Isn't assa aoe underrated tho?
its bad 🙂
balmy condor
Isn't assa aoe underrated tho?
Yeah underrated on the damage meters
willow eagle
I thought the uncap would benefit assa in m+
balmy condor
willow eagle
With how bleeds work
subtle tundra
I thought the uncap would benefit assa in m+
it does, but it doesnt magically give it +20k dps
balmy condor
Uncap copium
willow eagle
Or did seli bait me?
subtle tundra
its good, but its not gonna change anything,ever
wow +3k dps on really big pulls gz
you now do 28k instead of 25k
might outdps the tank now
balmy condor
Uncap is basically irrelevant to begin with outside of ardenweald, where you get smashed in aoe, or like a big halls pull, where you also get smashed
willow eagle
So what would fix assa aoe?
subtle tundra
actual damage numbers
balmy condor
A redesign of the entire spec
soft shale
uncap would matter if we had old venomous wounds and it procced on ct
so
uh
not happening
subtle tundra
uncap would matter if we had old venomous wounds and it procced on ct
what was the old venomous wounds?
balmy condor
Sin does not do aoe
willow eagle
Does the entire spec need a redesign or just the aoe component?
St seems fairly well designed no?
subtle tundra
Does the entire spec need a redesign or just the aoe component?
it has been the same spec for so many years now, i'd say the whole spec.
balmy condor
And unless they want to add something like echoing blades back in which is basically just “lul your fok do 500% more damage now”
It will never aoe again
soft shale
the moment deadly poison became so weak
subtle tundra
And unless they want to add something like echoing blades back in which is basic...
yea, SS + EB made assa competitive in m+ in bfa
they removed them without compensation
soft shale
it was he herald of the end
balmy condor
I mean redesigning mastery to work with bleeds sounded good in theory
But they didn’t make bleeds do damage
So then what’s the fucking point
soft shale
yea the baseline % ap on bleeds is pitiful same with poisons
willow eagle
What did old mastery for assa?
balmy condor
Poison only
soft shale
then they slapped instant poison on top of deadly
balmy condor
And it was like 4x the number
subtle tundra
its fine, 9.2 last SL patch and then maybe we can get some good design 🧢
willow eagle
Assa does seem to be pretty fun in 2-3 target situations
soft shale
just be shadowpriest and get a reword each 2 patches
balmy condor
Mastery change was literally “we want it to be a dot spec, oh wait we can’t make it a dot spec guess dead stat oops”
subtle tundra
Assa does seem to be pretty fun in 2-3 target situations
its fun in aoe too
just doesnt do dmg
soft shale
that monstruosity
we just cant have dot specs in this game without blizz killing them
or making them too strong on spread cleave but never the melee ones of course
subtle tundra
bake scent of blood into assa so the rupture spreading in aoe makes sense.
willow eagle
The whole poison/ bleed identity was pushed in legion right? Mop assa didn't feel like it was so focused on those 2
subtle tundra
do something:((((((
balmy condor
bake scent of blood into assa so the rupture spreading in aoe makes sense.
I mean its just a duct tape fix on a cursed baseline at this point
balmy condor
If the idea is spreading rupture is supposed to do damage, instead of it being energy gen
Then you have to change how rupture it supposed to work
willow eagle
18% aura buff 
balmy condor
18% aura buff <:monkaW:675691826505711626>
Our aura atm is at +51 btw
willow eagle
The snd rework was nice at least
balmy condor
Snd shouldn’t have come back
willow eagle
But to hell they brought snd back in the first place
subtle tundra
make maim,mangle be shrouded suffocation and poisoned katar be echoing blades :((
spice spire
willow eagle
I don't think any of the 3 specs is excited to press that button
balmy condor
I mean honestly if you want multidotting to be real, make CT do extra damage to bleeding targets
Then rip out half the talent tree
And go from there
spice spire
Talent replacements 
balmy condor
Can’t believe we went from agonizing poison to toxic blade to alacrity
spice spire
I too enjoy boring as fuck talents 🙂
balmy condor
That slot completed its joker arc
willow eagle
Old dispatch in assa felt really good to press even if it didn't work with the poison fantasy
spice spire
I did enjoy an execute
hardy dagger
Was it legionella we had well over 100% mastery? And it was an actual good stat.
balmy condor
Yeah
Legion was the last time mastery affected poisons only
They reworked it during prepatch going into 8.0
hardy dagger
Oh right it was only poisons. Imagine legion stats but it worked with bleeds too
strange python
Stupid question: if we're in the Guardian immune rotation - do we cloak that or evasion it...
balmy condor
Cloak
spice spire
!def
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Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz
spice spire
Is solid if you ever have any questions!
strange python
oh ok, thanks!
drifting cosmos
Was it legionella we had well over 100% mastery? And it was an actual good stat.
over 200% mastery in legion and envenom actually hits like a truck, good times
heavy trail
I wonder if I can get an edge of night in the weekly chest 🙂
spice spire
The weekly quest? 99.9% sure not
There’s been no record of heroic KT or Sylv gear dropped this tier that I’m aware of
strange python
Wish the dmg meter didnt reset after vanishing on a target dummy
arctic zodiac
Yo, where can I read up on the aoe rotation for m+?
strange python
I wonder if I can get an edge of night in the weekly chest 🙂
Good luck, I’m waiting for it 2 months ago
Not in personal loot, nor in chest, I think that 259 is a legend
spice spire
Yo, where can I read up on the aoe rotation for m+?
Unsure where on the aoe rotation but it’s fairly simple. Open (with subterfuge) 4 garrotes, CT, and then for over three targets you’ll fan of knives as your builder, rupture as many targets as possible, and envenom to keep up SnD/every target has bleeds and have to dump combo points. You’ll also garrote (on non-subterfuged enemies) on CD along with shiv on CD.
Then you can go into your covenant abilities and look at how to weave them in, but that’s the very basic line
As every rotation will be different depending on priorities, roles of the DPS, affixes, and even dungeon. It’s better to figure the rules out then fine tune from there
arctic zodiac
Right, thanks a lot.
spice spire
Yeah if you have any fine tuning questions, it’s always good to ask! But the basic rules are “use cooldowns as much as possible, keep CT up, keep ruptures on as many people as possible, and don’t let SnD drop”
limber lion
Wish the dmg meter didnt reset after vanishing on a target dummy
You can look at the "dynamic damage done overall" for an accurate breakdown
Doesn't reset with Vanish
strange python
Since crit won’t have as much impact as now
I’ll prbly switch to orc
So if we get two lego's - and nothing is 're-tweaked' with necro - will it still be anywhere near venthyr come 9.2 for raiding?