assassination

[slow marsh]

rekt

[gusty mirage]

wait until I fit in an easter egg about you

so every rogue will know you're stinky

[alpine latch]

My issue for that is I'd really want MFD to go where my CT is

And I'm way too lose to swap that button

[slow marsh]

well sometimes when you're this sweaty you get stinky

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

jealousy is ugly on you

[spice spire]

Don’t make me pull receipts king

[slow marsh]

i never got harm mode taz unlocked. do you think that'll matter for 9.2. prob not right?

[limber lion]

Doesn't, no.

[spice spire]

But think about the completion of the document

[limber lion]

The hardmode wull stay as is and the m+ will be its own thing

[slow marsh]

guys this guild seems like they're keeping a super bad rogue despite saying they would be rotating people out after CE and going with their best 20 going into 9.2. time to start the guild hunt again lmao

[kindred rapids]

They decided to keep you, huh

bit of a catch 22

[spice spire]

Bruh it’s like day 3

But also

[slow marsh]

ik im gonna just chill and jump again

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

did you not see the guy im talking about

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Nah don’t think I have

[slow marsh]

sec

[gusty mirage]

are you the bad rogue?

[oak sky]

[spice spire]

Ice blades flaming other rogues again

Must be a Tuesday

[kindred rapids]

when you're too good for any guild bad enough to take you

[oak sky]

theres a point where you just have to stick it out to ce

[slow marsh]

this guy

[gusty mirage]

the man's stuck in January

leave him be

[slow marsh]

The "I simmed all combinations and that's what it told me to do so why should I listen to you" guy when I tried to help him out a bit

[gusty mirage]

vendetta garrote

nice

real nice

[slow marsh]

Ye i'm leaving him alone for sure lol he obvi doesn't want help so it's chill

[gusty mirage]

I actually had a stroke reading that

[kindred rapids]

maybe he has APL optimizations you don't know about

[gusty mirage]

ty

[oak sky]

MAN

[slow marsh]

np you're welcome

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

i hate the great vault

i hope blizzard deletes it so everyone feels like me

this has been my joker moment

[limber lion]

Actually thinking about it

With optimization done to snd allowing it to be cast at 1cp, and us not playing Doomblade anymore, I could see Ambush opener being better than Muti

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage sim ambush opener ty

Very important 4 dps.

[gusty mirage]

why must you do this to me

[spice spire]

When taz book of shadows

[gusty mirage]

idk ask dadsen

he volunteered

I'm just trying to set it up for him to make it easier

[spice spire]

Yeah but he’s intimidating because he’s too cute

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

@balmy condor

Requesting re-evaluation of ambush

#1 priority, very important

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion I hate you

[willow eagle]

Ambush opener

[limber lion]

But then again muti double hit double poison big deeps for winds

[willow eagle]

Time to run cto for assa

[limber lion]

I'll be sleeping so let me know what you find when I wake up.

[inland hull]

So still no Sylv dagger, but on the plus side I can still pretend that having one would solve all my problems

[spice spire]

Oxi gonna murder someone today

[slow marsh]

We can only hope

[slow marsh]

i thought about that earlier today

[glass tulip]

subterfuge amb-snd-amb opener

[slow marsh]

But since winds still exists wouldn't muti opener still be better for an additional instance of a crit

[slow marsh]

the 2nd amb wouldn't get cto proc tho cuz it's no longer used from stealth

Otherwise we just run blindside CTO

[glass tulip]

why am I being dumb and forgetting what CTO is

[spice spire]

Count the odds

Outlaw conduit

Stop the CTO nonsense

[glass tulip]

why would I care what cto does

[slow marsh]

Cuz it's like the best conduit rogue has outside of lashing scars

[glass tulip]

but can I use it on assassin

[slow marsh]

but ye outlaw stuff who plays that dirty spec

[spice spire]

Yes

It procs off of ambush from stealth iirc

I’ve never gone that deep into it

[slow marsh]

technically yes we can but since we don't have dispatch and can only ambush from stealth every 2mins ish

not worth

[limber lion]

Yeh I said that after

Who knows

[slow marsh]

it's confirmed ambush technically better on open but it's like literally 3 dps

not worth the ruckus it would cause in here

oxi confirm 7 dps

[gusty mirage]

tried it a few times

between 3 and 7

[spice spire]

Difference between a 99 and 100

[hushed dirge]

This is the first week I have had a vault that has given me absolutely nothing of value.

[cobalt pelican]

welcome

[limber lion]

Wtf

I took tokens from my third vault

Nutty

[hushed dirge]

I have all 3 pieces of the raid loot and the boots are worse then the ones I am currently wearing.

[gusty mirage]

meanwhile I've taken research 4 weeks in a row

[hushed dirge]

I will do more keys this week because of the 239 chest for a chance at the shoulders transmog.

[alpine radish]

What's your ilvl?

[hushed dirge]

247 with max at 250

[copper sundial]

must be nice getting needed stuff in your vault

[alpine radish]

Gonna struggle to get higher unless you do mythic raid now really

Some items probs take you closer

[hushed dirge]

I am fine for gear, I want to finish the Heroic Transmog..

[alpine radish]

Haha I'm bracers away from mine

Wow doesn't want to give me first boss loot

[sharp zodiac]

I just want my 2nd 259 daggy so I can start pulling for vein ripper from vault

[hushed dirge]

I need to do a pug leather only raid to make the chances higher.

[limber lion]

Only 4?

Sheesh sharing the chat with casuals

[gusty mirage]

yeah I got a crit/haste cloak for when I play zold 5 weeks ago

then research 3 weeks in a row before that

[limber lion]

Yeh last time I got something good was my dagger

[gusty mirage]

imagine getting a dagger from the vault

[hushed dirge]

I hope to get Remnant down this week in Mythic with this new guild.

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Got research 6 weeks in a row after that and 5 before it

Sooo

[gusty mirage]

at least you didn't have to wait until the end of the tier

just the end of you playing the tier

[sharp zodiac]

I’ve been swapping between sub and sin loot spec for vault thinking one is luckier than the other

[gusty mirage]

[hushed dirge]

Had the group not run out of time the boss would have been dead.

[limber lion]

Yeh

[alpine radish]

I've been looting crappy trinkets to add to my collection

[limber lion]

I did manage to do a few runs with it

Was pretty poggywoggy

[alpine radish]

Grim codex and flayewing toxin yayyy

[gusty mirage]

you're pretty poggywoggy

[alpine radish]

Should've taken research

[limber lion]

no u

[hushed dirge]

I already have 252 non raid boots for the new tier.

After I finish Mythic raiding for the week I plan on Covenant swapping.

[alpine radish]

I'm two down one to go unless they buff night fae lego to 15-20 secs but that's some copium right there

[hushed dirge]

Make the NF leggo guarantee all huge cd's for all 3 specs.

[slow marsh]

is exsang the future. we find out soon enough

[arctic walrus]

Dawg you can’t talk in this channel without an active subscription didn’t you hear @limber lion

[limber lion]

Good thing I've still got 21 days

Logged on to practice NF shenanigans before 9.2

I'm now oiled, warmed up and ready for the patch drop

The furry tech has been perfected

[slow marsh]

cev what 2nd leggo would you run with NF

[twilit hollow]

no mannnnn, no more fairy

[slow marsh]

he must be sleep now

[subtle tundra]

so sepsis is a poison, yea, you know what goes well with poisons?

[slow marsh]

sepsis not a poison

[subtle tundra]

then its a bleed!

[slow marsh]

it's nature damage but not poison

[subtle tundra]

master assassin

so you vanish mega crit it poggers

PAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW damage

[slow marsh]

lol yeah massive damage then you are a noodle until vanish is back up

but na idk how we don't run dusk with current 4p

[subtle tundra]

ok but?

[slow marsh]

and dusk seems pretty bad for NF specifically cuz sepsis 1.5min

[subtle tundra]

vanish sepsis with shiv ============== PAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[nocturne geode]

i seen in the pin about 9.2 its looking to remain venthyr/necro. hows kyrian feely crafting?

[spice spire]

Can’t feel if there’s no PTR

[gusty mirage]

I need legion timewalking to come out faster

so you degenerates have something else to shout besides sepsis

[subtle tundra]

ok but what about kyrian and using throw knifes to fish for cp

[fresh oracle]

quick question im new here and too playing a rogue. so what is our haste and crit cap. or where can i find that information

[golden basalt]

You just sim, there is no golden %

[fresh oracle]

so we ignore dimenishing returns?

[jaunty steeple]

sims take those into account

[golden basalt]

The sim doesn’t, and we are good lil boys who listen to the technological overlords

+40% crit is an ish good rule of thumb for when you’re using the winds of winter set

[fresh oracle]

ok got ya thankyou for the assistance and sorry to interrupt the conversation at hand.

yall were very helpful and hasty to respond

[golden basalt]

No worries, the conversation prior was shit

[gusty mirage]

^

in fact I'd be happy if you interrupted the previous conversation some more

[fresh oracle]

ok so i perviously read that its haste over crit is that still valid

[winter vapor]

not with domination shards

[golden basalt]

the winds of winter domination set heavily benefits from crit making crit your most valuable stat in raids

then yea, prob haste to a certain degree

[fresh oracle]

ok so im only 225ilvl and im floating crit haste within 2% of each other which haste is 24 and crit 22 so until i get dom gear its ok

[golden basalt]

Yea

def

For now just focus on ilvl

and once you start getting ilvl increases that sim lower than you’re equipped items then you can start worrying about secondary stats

[fresh oracle]

awsome thakyou

the rotation is takeing me a minute to get use to but i am jsut maintaining garrote and rupture and envenom

[thorny pond]

That’s gist of it yea. Not a bad rotation by any stretch

[glad siren]

how do i sim which food is best for me ? i always assumed feast but since theo buff crit is best... am i to believe crit food might be better?

[gusty mirage]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[gusty mirage]

^ there ya go

[glad siren]

tyvm

[gusty mirage]

np

[thorny pond]

This place is better because you’re here ❤️

[oak sky]

Wholesome beach

[kind talon]

This place is better because you’re here ❤️

[oak sky]

This place is worse because you're here ❤️

[kind talon]

Wholesome Agreon 😍

[hollow river]

we run CT for soulrender iirc?

first reclear in over a month

[spice spire]

yeah sure man

it works

[hollow river]

don't know if i wanna use mfd

_>

[bleak sky]

you do

[woven crest]

im around 43% crit rn and got fate helm in my box but its simming worse then remnant helm which seems odd? 252 ilvl on each

[twilit hollow]

are you venthyr, are you dashing, do you have R5 frost

[bleak sky]

do you have "change gems" thing enabled on raidbots?

[woven crest]

r5 frost dashing and sims worse as venthyr and necro

ya i do

[twilit hollow]

lots of reasons, probably better to pickup anyways

[bleak sky]

so trust sims ❤️

[echo geyser]

any frost gamers tried shard of tel again?

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

still not working 😦

[echo geyser]

someone pm'd me about it maybe being fixed but it was accretion instead

[hollow river]

new assa rogue trial in my guild was running unholy shard set tonight boys

[slow marsh]

pog

[hollow river]

weirdchamp

[balmy condor]

so the old assa rogue trial that was in your guild was running unholy?

[hollow river]

?

[dawn ivy]

cant believe that old assa rogue trial ran unholy set in his new guild

[hollow river]

[dawn ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-your-head-gif-8604199

[hollow river]

what's going on here

[dawn ivy]

hes implying you already kicked him

[hollow river]

oh

idk if i see that happening

[dawn ivy]

are you kidding me? he ran a suboptimal build.

that guy is the reason death penalties exist

[oak sky]

damn

our kt kill

3 weapons

tonight

its my turn on sylvanas

😈

[hollow river]

good luck

[spark scaffold]

Still hoping for a vault dagger in 3 hrs

[oak sky]

yeah

i havent seen endboss loot

in vault

3 weeks in a row with 3 slots

[spark scaffold]

I got the KT shoulders last week so can't complain

If by end boss you mean 259

[oak sky]

yep

im still running heroic versions of like 5 loot pieces

[spark scaffold]

Thats super unlucky this far into the patch

[oak sky]

well

[echo geyser]

Jaithys? no shot

[oak sky]

its kt shoulders kt neck sylv dagger sylv ring

[spark scaffold]

Do you run CT or PB on sylv?

[oak sky]

jaithys and 2 staff

[oak sky]

pb

[spark scaffold]

Well, let's hope for a dagger at least

259 main hand is such a big increase

[oak sky]

any of the sylv loot would be a nice upgrade

belt probably worst but eventually with more gear

[hollow river]

I got eye gloves

And the nine(?) boots

Boots weren’t even an upgrade

Vers mas

🤮

[gusty mirage]

soulrender but ye

kaka stats

[hollow river]

Yeah

-0.9%

Probably good for sub though

[slow marsh]

dang having to turn down g invites because of schedule sucks ass

[celest sail]

is there any way to pick your theotar buff, or do people just fish for crit and log out if they actually care lol

[slow marsh]

you roll and logout

and reroll every hour until crit or haste

[celest sail]

lol

aight i dont care about parses that much lol

[clever kindle]

does anyones guild bring an extra person down for 2nd intermission on KT?

[slow marsh]

we did for a few pulls but it's better to just swap 2 without cds for 1 with a bigger cd

[oak sky]

i think we did that in prog

[clever kindle]

we arent using vantus yet or good feasts so maybe thats enough but maybe worth for prog

might just swap our boomies and hunters though

[slow marsh]

i would suggest you guys use everything you will on kill so you have more accurate damage

It's all about timing damage so consistency makes it much easier

[plain onyx]

how do i take two gargoyles at the same time in HoA ? do i pull them both at the same time and then press the button ?

[toxic quail]

yeah pull them both and spam the button

[clever kindle]

were only raiding tuesday this week because of thanksgiving so well know a little better next week but I think our game plan is take melee off second intermission so me and other rogue get to stay up top and have night fae boomie go down

[toxic quail]

tell Betteroption to play better

[clever kindle]

lol will do

[toxic quail]

then youll kill it

[clever kindle]

technically true

[oak sky]

well

we recleared sylv

no loot

[toxic quail]

Agreon come on man

just loot the dagger

[oak sky]

i did 9.4 in p3

just a little more gear

and i can hit 11k like cev

[limber lion]

You can do it, I believe!

[gusty mirage]

We struggle bussed selling remnant and soulrender for first 5 and then wiped on painsmith like 6 times before calling it a week

Fun fun reclears

[oak sky]

sadge

we probably get all the other bosses done monday

but we arent doing fate

[slow marsh]

My suspicions seemed to be right this guild a bit sussy

I know I played like shit but idk

[slow marsh]

Dead channel

[subtle tundra]

upgraded a finger from my collection from 246 to 252 fuck yea
clearly didnt want another dagger

[slow marsh]

Pog. Gonna have a whole backpack full of 252 rings soon

[glass tulip]

which guild?

I need to stalk and judge silently

[slow marsh]

Vibin

Tich

They are fine it's just not at all what I expected jumping over 1k ranks. The players in my old guild were better it's just leadership diff

[exotic plume]

Which week is it without a dagger?

[keen garden]

For the record, I'd like to say its a tragedy that bottle of flayedwing toxin isn't bis automatically for assassin

I want poisons on my poisons

[exotic plume]

29 kills and 16 vaults 🤡

[hollow river]

What’s wrong?

[hollow river]

Oh

The players in your old guild were better?

[solid venture]

sylv dagger does not exist

[balmy condor]

Just loot it

[solid venture]

[exotic plume]

Care or cev will come and say hes tired of this with 2 daggers in his pocket

[balmy condor]

Cev still sleeping we’re fine

My baby boy getting his nights rest

[viscid spear]

I'm sure he does a search for any mention of his name each time he signs on

[balmy condor]

Nah

[viscid spear]

True

[balmy condor]

He just catches up on chat

[viscid spear]

That implies he's ever not signed in

[balmy condor]

He’s not signed in right now

[solid venture]

offline mode

[balmy condor]

He’s lurking

[solid venture]

always creepin

never sleepin

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

Like he's definitely going to see this conversation

One way or another

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[viscid spear]

I'm up early because I clogged my toilet, have a headache and heartburn, need to get my stuff for tomorrow, and I'm on muscle relaxers

[solid venture]

thats poggers dude

[viscid spear]

It's an abstract sort of feel

Now to do Mythics on my Mage for the weekly

[strange python]

Won’t get this dagger untill 1 week before 9.2 launch, I’m sure

[viscid spear]

But man what a week that'll be for you

[bronze pike]

Probs will still be off hand bis

[balmy condor]

Doubt it

[sonic schooner]

Xmas whisp

[oak sky]

Theres a bright side to not getting any loot

The list of people that will trade me and only me on certain pieces is getting higher

[solid nymph]

are sims making the proc from nadjia crit or vers?

[oak sky]

Should be whichever is higher

There was a bug before where it would only do vers

Should be fixed

[solid nymph]

aight ty

[raven vapor]

Pins have changed a bit, is mfd+obe still the way to go? And Theo now if we get crit tea?

[oak sky]

Mfd+dashing is the normal build, but obedience can be better depending on fight timing

Theotar is better with crit and haste tea, you can sim to check for yourself with the string in #subtlety-faq

[raven vapor]

Awesome cheers, I'm smashing my head against sylv atm so I'll stick to obe don't really want to relearn flag timings

[oak sky]

Yeah whichever you already run is fine

[burnt latch]

Does it matter in the opener if I do rupture > mut > shiv or rupture > shiv > mut?

[oak sky]

Not a huge amount but rupture shiv mut is slightly better since it uses vanish to generate

Especially since its during flag

[woven ruin]

Assuming cloak will still be a leggo slot, what are we thinking the 2nd will be?

[fallen arch]

Arent cov leggo’s gonna be belt?

[rich swift]

Is it acceptable to envenom at 4 combo points? Wowanalyzer keep telling me I’m wasting combo points generated with mutilate.

[drifting cloud]

wowanalyzer hasnt been updated in like 1 xpac

[rich swift]

Ok, so I shouldn’t use. Thanks.

[drifting cloud]

yeah it has some niche uses but you need to know what youre looking at and its nothing you cant see in the logs by themselves

[gaunt halo]

It's still right. Envenom on 4 or 5 cp

Since mutilate will generate 2+. So those will be wasted when mutilating at 4cp

[rich swift]

Many thanks

[charred wraith]

Not necessarily, you will be able to choose a different gear piece

[hollow river]

We always finish at 4 or 5 (if using Vigor) even for rupture and crimson tempest if talented into it

We never force 5

The only thing that should overcap combo points is Seal Fate procs (mutilate crits)

Or shiv

[exotic plume]

Got a hc dagger traded from a friend 😍 worth crying in here

[rich swift]

Appreciate the info. Trying to improve!

[spice spire]

We love homies trying to improve GL Mad

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

That is me this am waking to 20ish freedom units, when two days ago it was 70 freedom units

[hollow river]

?

I got 3 whole ass hours of sleep

[spice spire]

I got 7. I’m a real glutton these days

[hollow river]

Last day of work this week

[spice spire]

Still working Friday

[hollow river]

[strange python]

Necrolord spike pumps on sylv lol 😂

Wtf

[meager swallow]

Simming Obdience vs Dashing is like <30 dps loss. But I feel like it has some synergy especially with burst windows. With a >+40 crit do I still want to main dashing or do I want to switch to obedience on Sylv?

[spice spire]

It is solely whatever the sims say. It’s like a small difference either way so whatever you’re most comfy on

Works

[tiny ember]

Does assa have any shennagines like sub prepull? with the shadowdsut lego?

[thorny pond]

Nah vanish is a dps CD

There is some MFD stuff you can do if your raid lead is chill and gives good pull timers

[tiny ember]

for some reason my fucking sub soulbinds/conduits don't work so I'm relearing assa made a ticket with a gm apprently it's a known bug ....

for raid tonight so I think I'll keep it mostly simple XD was just wondering if there is liek something that's a a must do before for some QoL

Thank you @thorny pond

[thorny pond]

I mean sin is the QoL rogue spec

Straightforward and slower paced

[timid cloud]

Yeah, you can do your taxes between Envenoms if you wanted to.

[alpine latch]

That's why I don't run MFD. I don't like how it feels

lol

I enjoy Vigor

Also, why introduce an extra button for a minimal gain?

[spice spire]

Parsing

[gusty mirage]

Because it’s better

What do you mean why lol

[vestal wren]

mfd can be fun to play

[spice spire]

It definitely takes some practice though

[gusty mirage]

If we didn’t have people testing things out constantly we’d end up with warlock’s APL

[thorny pond]

Slam big envenoms with that mfd

[spice spire]

Oxi hated it the first couple of times - and then he picked it up. I’m still in the hating phase myself 😛

[gusty mirage]

I still hate it

But I’ll play it because it’s more damage

[spice spire]

Yeah but now you’re not inting

I was trying to be nice about it

[thorny pond]

It’s better on fights with adds that die

But still good regardless

Just feels better

[gusty mirage]

Now? I switched the raid after it became a thing

[gusty mirage]

I’ll feel you better

[spice spire]

Is that in my Christian assassination chat

[spice spire]

Yeah but you sucked at it

Like I said I was tryna be nice

[gusty mirage]

Did I?

[spice spire]

Idk man, does Wayne county show up to their own court dates?

[gusty mirage]

Depends on the judge apparently

[spice spire]

Wait you had a judge show up on time?

[thorny pond]

I felt that CT on my KT parse

[spice spire]

Why am I just now hearing of this? I only know the judges that push court dates back and the ones that don’t bother showing

[gusty mirage]

All that fat damage

[thorny pond]

Ele shaman was out sick so me and boomkin got the ride

[spice spire]

Let’s fucking go

Earthquake is actually dps terrorism

So we take those

[thorny pond]

He’s pretty good ele but sometimes you wanna parse

And if you have an ele he isn’t going to not AoE

[spice spire]

Ye

[thorny pond]

He’s learning enh for me tho

Might unironically for MW if sin and sub aren’t good tho

[spice spire]

MW is respectable tho

[thorny pond]

I healed in MoP

Couldn’t raid lead and take the ego hit from being average dps while I made calls

[spice spire]

I’m raidleading as a rogue rn on most fights

There’s not a worse hell tbh

Well I could be playing a class I hate to be fair

But yeah melee dps + rling sucks

[thorny pond]

Our RL plays fury and does it and is quite good at both. I’m sure he could parse better if he wasn’t 360 watching everything but high APM melee specs are awful to RL on

[spice spire]

Yeah luckily sin is low APM and kinda brain dead

[thorny pond]

Fair

[spice spire]

That’s impressive tho our rl tried and couldn’t do it

So he’s MWing

[thorny pond]

I did melee leading for us in TF which was easy because all I was doing was calling mechanics I had to react for anyways

[spice spire]

Yeah the first few are easy. But during remnant, calling for dispels is kinda cring

[thorny pond]

Our fury is a giga Chad. Calls the marks, who dispells and then the p3 double knocks

Ironically our tank does the stop dps calls. Hope those go away forever after this tier

[spice spire]

Same here. I love spell queuing 🙂

[thorny pond]

RL as MW was fun though since I was super mobile and that was the period of time where you could flex in and out of melee

[hollow river]

Because more buttons = more fun

If I ran Vigor for all of Sylvanas prog I’d literally be falling asleep mid pull

But instead I run around for the entire intermission like a crazed chicken keeping up 5 stacks of Alacrity

[alpine latch]

Agree to disagree

[hollow river]

Same thing as SBS tbh

If sin was more fast paced like outlaw, with just as many buttons

Omg

[alpine latch]

For me, fun is performing my spec (whatever it is) as close to perfect as possible

[hollow river]

😍

[alpine latch]

I feel like a crackhead playing outlaw

There's always 11 buttons to hit in the next GCD

[hollow river]

Outlaw is fun

[alpine latch]

It's okay

[hollow river]

All rogue specs

[alpine latch]

I preferred the original Combat spec to outlaw, though

I think us having guns is about the damned dumbest thing they've added to the game

[hollow river]

Are the littiest

[alpine latch]

Yeah - I mean, I hate Sub and I'd rather play Sub than almost any other class/spec combo

Because rogues are the bomb.com

[hollow river]

Idk I love sub too

Sin is like snooze fest ez

[alpine latch]

I only hate Sub because I haven't played it in so long, plus I don't like the whole "shadow magic" thing.

[hollow river]

Outlaw is cracked out button smasher

[alpine latch]

Lore wise, Assassination rogues are the true rogues for me

[hollow river]

Sub is the cool, calculated spec

[alpine latch]

I need to play it more, honestly.

I'd probably enjoy it if I spent more time on it

[hollow river]

It’s great once you get the hang of it

[alpine latch]

yeah

[clever kindle]

The original combat spec was the most boring spec to ever exist

plate balancing simulator

[spice spire]

[clever kindle]

keep snd up keep rupture up

waow

bandits guile

[spice spire]

any true SS enjoyers?

[clever kindle]

yuuuuge gameplay changes

[alpine latch]

And yet some people still fucked it up

lol

[spice spire]

Dragon soul forever took me off combat/outlaw

[vestal wren]

, but don't worry subtlety does not hate you

[spice spire]

Rupture was a dps loss so it was just SS/Evisc simulator 95% of every fight

[clever kindle]

I could bust out a 10+ year old rant on the wow forums if they didnt archive it

in which I wrote a full page on why combat sucked and why it needed some reactive elements

[spice spire]

[clever kindle]

also you're all welcome for getting shiv nerfed in WOTLK

The thread I started had like 50 pages of replies with Ghostcrawler responding to it and instead of fixing the spec they just nerfed the shiv build

[alpine latch]

It should... I suck

[vestal wren]

thats fine, you can always improve

[clever kindle]

just got reminded that hunger for blood existed

[spice spire]

Any honor among thieves enjoyers?

[clever kindle]

HaT in PVP was so fucking busted

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I like soulstones helps cut down downtime after a wipe

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

i spy with my little eye

[gusty mirage]

You mean thick as thieves?

It’s still there

Wait was honor the CP one

Sorry I just woke up

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

We get a new runecarve power or whatever it's called, the legendary thingy

You just slap that on anything and it'll work with any elegible piece, not just the belt

It was worded super weirdly though because they kept emphasizing the importance of the belt

Weirdos idk

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

They just want to make sure you don’t run into any issues with your pants falling down

Oh Cev check DMs in a sec

[limber lion]

Sure

[strange python]

Ayy rank 1 tarragrue we in it

[limber lion]

Grats, which difficulty?

[strange python]

Mythic

Lumbering form and ten of towers giga

True scum

[limber lion]

Good shit

[violet jackal]

How many poor souls died for your sins?

[strange python]

None

[wary ice]

honestly if u get hit by a guy in lumbering form

you're the idiot

[strange python]

But our DK got kindred spirits all night :(

[limber lion]

You don't want that

Yuk externals yuk

[gusty mirage]

That’s a strange hill to die on

[limber lion]

Only pure boys here

[wary ice]

no it aint

[gusty mirage]

It is

Because you don’t control other people’s actions

[strange python]

He paid for kindred...

[wary ice]

just dont walk into the big ape

problem solved

[gusty mirage]

I’ve seen someone door of shadows in the middle of the group with lumbering

[wary ice]

its a 1 yd range

[gusty mirage]

Everyone who got hit by it must be an idiot I guess

[strange python]

I have a dream of playing outlaw with lumbering and slamming through everyone with grapple

[wary ice]

yes

[gusty mirage]

You need do this for science now

[strange python]

I don't wanna play outlaw til I get veinripper

[limber lion]

You dream about playing outlaw?

[strange python]

And 5 more need to go out before I get it

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

Nightmares are dreams too

[gusty mirage]

So what you’re saying is it’d be a shame if one ended up in your mailbox

[limber lion]

Hey Seli does that as well!

[spice spire]

Yeah but seli built diff

I just wanna blast

[viscid spear]

[hollow river]

Yep. An idiot for raiding with someone that takes lumbering form. Confirmed

[strange python]

Painsmith down - 4 to go

[spice spire]

Based take

[spice spire]

3*. Guardian is literally free

[strange python]

that's what i like to hear!

I think we did 139 on pain so

So many sub 3% in the last two days too

I can't wait to move onto heroic

lol jk

[spice spire]

[strange python]

so how about i got a 246 edge of night yesterday...

and someone offered me 5 mil for it

[gusty mirage]

It’ll still take a handful of pulls so people don’t absolute ape the bombs

[spice spire]

Yeah

But I mean compared to the rest

And even bosses outside of the first 3

[strange python]

I mean we can use a nice pushover boss - plus one that i can excel in will be nice too

[strange python]

I wanna roll vault outlaw but after 50 all-difficulty sylv kills and three vaults every week I'm still missing a second dag

[strange python]

So i have the same situation but i dont have even single one 🙂 idk what is a dagger from sylvanas

Personal loot

Awful system

[solid venture]

Sylv daggers don't exist only hackers have them

[strange python]

Master looter would mean sylv dag has a 4/13 chance to drop each kill

Personal loot it's 1/16

[spice spire]

I’ve gifted 4 sylv daggers

In 7 kills

[solid venture]

[spice spire]

All for the homies

[high berry]

I want to be your homie. 😀

[solid venture]

[slow marsh]

Good morning brothers

[quasi venture]

please dont

[slow marsh]

Yeah kinda dumb

[hollow river]

?...

[hollow river]

Makes no sense though lol

Gm

[slow marsh]

The new guild leadership is better and people listen well for the most part. Old guild had better players at the top but leadership was worse so took longer to kill things

It just makes me realize that for 1k and under guilds it's just organization / leadership diff

Not player diff

Which I've heard said a lot I just never learned it myself until now since I've been in the same guild since coming back to wow in 9.0

[drifting cloud]

lmao

yeah rank 2k guilds held back by officers for sure

totally not when half your roster would benefit from just reading a guide

[slow marsh]

I mean there are people like that in current 1k guild so

[spice spire]

I think it can be both in all fairness. But I do agree that about 85% of problems could be fixed by just reading a guide or watching a video

[drifting cloud]

sure its both, but the player aspect is alot more than 50% of it

thats why you have 3day hof guilds and 3day guilds that are still on sylvannas

[spice spire]

Yes man

[clever kindle]

You can make some players watch a guide 50 times its not going to help them with the fight

[slow marsh]

I mean to me it's a given that 'good' leadership wouldn't keep people that heavily underperform consistently

[clever kindle]

Yeah but it's a game not a job

[jaunty steeple]

the less players have to think, the better they can perform, the better the leadership, the less they have to think

both are important

[slow marsh]

Ye

[clever kindle]

People like to play with their friends even if that's a few % less efficient

You could have the best group of players in the world and if half of them are cunts im still leaving

[slow marsh]

Well yeah casual guilds are allowed to be casual

Nobody arguing that

[clever kindle]

Mythic cutting edge guilds aren't really casual

[slow marsh]

People just have different goals when it comes to playing and that's fine

[clever kindle]

Don't get me wrong there comes a certain point where you have to sit people or whatever to progress

[slow marsh]

You can raid mythic with a casual attitude and eventually get CE

There's enough gear and time in the raid to make it happen

[clever kindle]

Even at the end of each tier you're talking a significant portion under 10% of the overall playerbase getting CE

I believe that was the number Id have to look again

Also dont know how reliable some of those places are that get that data I guess

But you can look at amount of guilds with the CE achievements

[drifting cloud]

the % of the overall playerbase that gets ce doesnt really matter

when like half of it doesnt even step into the raid

[slow marsh]

Ye

[oak sky]

You just need to be in a guild that gets ce every tier and you get ce

If you got in, you were good enough to get ce

[drifting cloud]

CE is really not some insane achiev in most tiers

but yeah theres a difference between CE in tomb or CE in nyalotha

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[hexed frost]

Sadge

[subtle tundra]

i've had really good players add me to battlenet after keys while being sin
if youre a good player they will notice

[limber lion]

Sometimes you just don't have a choice. Most guilds don't have lines of good applicants ready to be trialed if someone gets kicked out for underperforming.

[hexed frost]

But in my defence i did 10K on last boss in 20 halls

[drifting cloud]

exactly, people just seem to forget this fact far too often when it can be the most important factor in alot of guilds

[subtle tundra]

well, in high keys its more of if you do the dmg on the correct target, do the correct stops, saps/skips fast etc

[hexed frost]

True. I found my current team as sin.

[slow marsh]

I mean I can only speak from my experience in previous guild but we had a few people who could've been recruited and it came down to feeling bad about benching underperformers more than not having applicants

[hollow river]

Benching under performers is kind of a must

[limber lion]

That definitely is not the case for most guilds. In my previous guild we had our rl playing monk for 6 months because we didn't have any monk applicants.

More often than not you get applicants which are downright terrible

[oak sky]

Like me :)

[limber lion]

Like someone 4/10 applying to a CE guild

Which is better, benching the underperformer to give the 4/10 a shot

Or sticking with your guy

[hollow river]

cough

[toxic quail]

I can attest to that Cev. My guild has been trialing Boomkins, Spriests, and Warlocks for 4 months now and not found a single good one.

[slow marsh]

Well then I concede the point since like I have limited experience in guild hopping

[toxic quail]

Our original Syl kill roster is almost still better aside from like 3 new dps/heals we snagged.

[limber lion]

Finding good players is not easy

[toxic quail]

Some people just are awful at the game.

[hollow river]

I was 4/10 CN and got recruited into my guild

[limber lion]

Finding a good player for a spec that you need, even harder

[hollow river]

But I think I’m a rare case

[toxic quail]

Killing Mythic Syl with 1 Boomkin was so hard.

But we did it, melee heavy as hell.

[oak sky]

My guild had no boomie all this tier

[vestal wren]

+1 this so much

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

Next tier theres 2 guys thinking about rerolling

All the como issues will be solved when the rerolls go through

Comp

[oak sky]

We were first with no boomie

[spice spire]

Sheesh

[toxic quail]

Yeah I don’t want to not play Rogue but I have a warrior, Druid, and Hunter ready for next tier. Just cause I want to help anyway I can.

[slow marsh]

Right now seems like a good time to get settled into something going into 9.2 since comps should adjust for rerollers

[oak sky]

Im gonna be exclusively on rogue unless i start pushing hof

Other classes are just alts

[limber lion]

Most people do their comp reshuffles between tiers, yes.

[oak sky]

Also the 9.1.5 QoL makes it nice to reroll rn

[limber lion]

Or at least they make it clear to the rl that they are looking to swap

[jaunty kayak]

venth + dashing.. trying out MfD .. how should i use it properly? i swear it was somewhere, either in pins or somewhere else.. but i cant find it now :/

[limber lion]

MfD on cooldown, always once with Flag

[hollow river]

Try to get resets on any adds

[toxic quail]

this will make y’all chuckle, the Spriest we have brought to Mythic Sylv 2 times now has lost to our Brewmaster both times.

[limber lion]

Hold MfD if Flag is is coming off cd

[toxic quail]

Homie finally got told his trial was over.

[oak sky]

Legend

[hollow river]

Get em ut

[spice spire]

Absolute madlad gets CE doing less than a tank

[oak sky]

Poor guy

[hollow river]

Never bring trial to last boss

[oak sky]

I mean you have to

[hollow river]

Especially if they’re not doing well

[toxic quail]

Yeah an absolute carry two weeks in a row. And he lived the whole fight.

[slow marsh]

Rogue in this guild got CE using blindside vigor with doomblade frost set. Makes me so sadge

[toxic quail]

Hahahahaha no shot Ice.

[hollow river]

Dude the new rogue trial in my guild is running unholy

As sin

[oak sky]

Farm isnt really relevant content so the closest thing to a trial is endboss tbh

[toxic quail]

Yeah we specifically bring our trials in for Remnant, Pain, Fate, KT, and Sylv.

[hollow river]

I don’t think he sims at all

But you’re giving these trials free CE carries

Even if they’re bad

[toxic quail]

If you can do mechanics and do dmg, you’ll get a spot. But they always crumble or get beat by our beefy Brew.

[slow marsh]

Better to not sim at all than to say you simmed all combinations and came out with BS vig doomblade frost

[oak sky]

At least he got frost

[hollow river]

I mean on pure ST that might sim higher

[oak sky]

It would have deeper

[hollow river]

Maybe he doesn’t know

[slow marsh]

Na I ran a sim for him and linked it and he ignored

[toxic quail]

Imma sim it now. Haha

[drifting cloud]

yeah you need advanced knowledge such as sylvn dies on 45%

[hollow river]

BS vigor sims well too

[drifting cloud]

and then you need to read blindside tooltip

[slow marsh]

Tbh that rogue is the biggest reason I'm trying to dip already

[drifting cloud]

its only for the best

[slow marsh]

Cuz he's a core raider

[drifting cloud]

or even more advanced tactic would be to look at top100 logs

[hollow river]

Yeah fuuuuck that ice

[oak sky]

1% tactic is join class discord

[toxic quail]

I don’t blame you.

He is the classic Andy playing how he wants to play and you can’t change his mind.

[slow marsh]

Ye and I'm sure he's a chill guy and I don't mean to be toxic

[drifting cloud]

my friend calling out someone that has 20% prog parses as assa rogue

is not toxic

[hollow river]

Nope we definitely being toxic

[drifting cloud]

its just fucking factual

[hollow river]

[toxic quail]

Hahahaha

[slow marsh]

Lmao

[spice spire]

Ice blades known rogue troll

[hollow river]

Oh now I’m hurt

[toxic quail]

You tried to help and he didn’t want it. So all is fair.

[hollow river]

I’ve got 1 grey from prog

[spice spire]

Famous for his affinity for RPing and flaming rogues for their shit parses

[slow marsh]

I am a troll but I don't want to be a toxic troll

[spice spire]

You’re not a toxic troll

I’m memeing

[hollow river]

Idk if I even bring up this new trials incorrect gearing

[toxic quail]

I got 2 259 Edge of Night and still parse like shit cause I’m the one doing all mexhanics making farm raids easier so we don’t wipe.

So don’t worry.

[slow marsh]

I rather be the fun troll under the bridge on the kids shows asking for some sheckles

[hollow river]

Do I bring it up boys?

[oak sky]

Gimme i want some rank 1s 😩

[drifting cloud]

do you have trial channels on discord or something

because I guess thats what they would be for

[oak sky]

Do it notrickz

[hollow river]

Nop

[oak sky]

Send him to hell

[slow marsh]

Lol

Right to hell

[hollow river]

But like do I talk to him first

[toxic quail]

@oak sky come trial with us and you’ll get the dagger and mount first kill.

[hollow river]

Or holla at my gm

[toxic quail]

Ez.

[slow marsh]

Say it's testing his responsiveness to feedback

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

Mmm

[slow marsh]

Def talk to him first

Then to GM if he doesn't respond

[toxic quail]

Literally every time we trial someone they get the mount on the kill. And our GM and 2 officers haven’t got it yet. Hahaha

I roll every time. Haha

[hollow river]

Make em give it up

Free CE but we get mount

[solid venture]

[toxic quail]

That would be the true right thing to do honestly.

But them boys too nice to enforce that shit.

[hollow river]

Idk if we ever kill sylv

It will be only main raiders on reclear

[red plaza]

That’s if your main raiders still show up after CE

[oak sky]

Our gm got the mount yesterday and he started trying to auction it off

[drifting cloud]

swapping 1-3 people for 2nd kill shouldnt be that much of an issue

[toxic quail]

Hahahahaha. Someone offered me 6 mill for mine. I should have sold it.

[hollow river]

It’s more about gear a

And actually getting a second kill

[hollow river]

Yep that shit would be GONE

[drifting cloud]

the 4 items that drop arent worth much when you wont be able to trade them, just unlocking it in vault is worth alot more

[oak sky]

Once you get the kt skip reclearing sylv is easy

Our issue was getting through fate every week

[hollow river]

If we ever get it

[toxic quail]

Yeah KT skip gives you a mental break from the “hard” bosses.

[hollow river]

That’s 3 weeks of killing kt

[oak sky]

Lol my guild isnt doing fatescribe for the rest of the tier

[drifting cloud]

just buy a skip 😛

[oak sky]

People just suck at it

[toxic quail]

Like we can 1-2 shot Syl. But struggle on the damn Remnant.

[oak sky]

We did that then someone trolled the lockout

[drifting cloud]

trolled it how?

[oak sky]

Only one saved to it inside then left to do a key or something

[drifting cloud]

huh

tarragrue??

[oak sky]

We got the skip but didnt kill kt the first day

So it got weird when someone left the instance

Luckily we killed guardian first for nobody to get the trinket :/

[drifting cloud]

so killing the guardian doesnt leave the portals up for next raid or what

[tough eagle]

hey sin bros, if i get random crits of muti to 5 CPs as my shiv's coming off cd, do i shiv on 5 or do i delay shiv

[hollow river]

You shiv on 5

[oak sky]

Apparently ur supposed to leave someone in the instance but someone left and it got weird

[spice spire]

Shiv is fine to overcap just treat it like an uptime debuff

Want it up as much as possible

[limber lion]

Well, you shouldn't get into a situation like that in the first place if we start minmaxing

If you know Shiv is coming off cooldown, you can Muti once at 0cp and then just pool whilst waitikg for Shiv

On 2-4cp

Instead of slamming another Muti in only to inevitably overcap cp

[tough eagle]

then i do a shiv on 2, for 1, then muti crits at 3 for 4

still waste sth

[limber lion]

You take the chamce

That's a really really really unlucky and unlikely scenarii

Where neither of you muti hands crit

Nor does Shiv

With vurrent 40% crit it's very very unlikely that happens

But you can track garrote as welll and use it to fill the cp if its entering pandemic

If not, unlucky, gotta muti again

[weak plover]

@toxic quail my sylv prog is cancelled this week. You need any trials 😂?

[limber lion]

Still worth waiting instead of slamming mutis to max cp

[strange python]

My favorite is muti with masterassain up and getting 2 cps

[spice spire]

I too enjoy the 1% 2 cp mut

[hollow river]

Feels bad when first mut of the fight gives 3

[spice spire]

Wdym

That’s for Snd 😉

Right?

[hollow river]

Yeah still feels bad tho

[spice spire]

The second mut is the painful one

Because you know you’ll hit a double crit on the one out of MA

[hollow river]

Huh?

[spice spire]

Second mut

Not snd

[toxic quail]

We are always trialing. We are off this week but start raiding again next week.

[spice spire]

If you have a second snd, that’s omega pain

[toxic quail]

No what feels bad is when the first mut is a parry.

I’ll get in position and the tanks will troll melee on purpose.

And turn the boss all weird ways.

[spice spire]

You ever had your sbs parried?

That’s the truest of pains

[oak sky]

One pull i fat fingered pot before pull and then had that thing happen where your flag cant generate stacks

[toxic quail]

Bro that flag thing happened on Syl last week right when we lusted. What the hell is that? A bug?

Or did I scuff something?

[spice spire]

Yeah looks like it

Not 100% though don’t quote me on it

But there have been a few reports on people flagging but not getting the buff

[toxic quail]

Yeah that’s not a very good option.

I was tilted.

[hollow river]

How much dam does your brew do on sylv?

[toxic quail]

Let me check. He is the type of tank who cheeses stuff to do more dmg. Like he makes our bear tank do most stuff so he can pump.

[spice spire]

Time to get a free CE in boys “I’m trialing”

Just have to beat the brewmaster

[oak sky]

Ive never had it happen from behind the boss so it feels like a parry to me

[oak sky]

Our bear starts every pull in cat form

[toxic quail]

Yeah same Agreon. He cat convokes and screams how he is top dps for 3 seconds.

Our Brew does 5.3-5.7 on our Syl kills.

[hollow river]

Get me in there

[oak sky]

Always nice to see tanks doing solid damage

More fun for them

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Caught in 4k

[velvet robin]

Does anyone run a normal EON over 252 weapons in offhand?

ive got a 242 249 eon and 233 eon but im unsure if raidbots sims properly with those weapons

[spice spire]

It does sim properly

Listen to the sim

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

Yep sometimes

[timid cloud]

Sounds like a real....

Moment

[velvet robin]

Yeah i thought so, i was just wondering as i didnt know if it took the banshees blight into consid

[spice spire]

I mean he acknowledged that he just wasn’t sure 😛

[timid cloud]

Most of the time, a Normal EON will be less than 100 DPS off of most 252’s

Unless it’s the good stat ones.

[spice spire]

It does, sin doesn’t get as much from it as other specs

But it’s still a good dagger

[velvet robin]

Cheers guys 🙂

[limber lion]

I wouldn't use a normal EoN if you have a basic 252 dagger alternative.

[grim jay]

^ experienced that being better aswell. normal EoN instead of 252 is definitely a sub thing tho

[slow marsh]

Lmao this must be every guardian tank cuz mine does too

[limber lion]

Not only is it more consistent because there are no procs, it's just flat out better

There are no downsides to a normal dagger, but there are downsides to using EoN

[slow marsh]

Eon also loses a lot of value in aoe

Not that we are doing that much but ye

[strange python]

At current, what is assassinations' better covenant?

[limber lion]

And it just doesn't work on targets where you don't get execute value, like Sylvanas

[limber lion]

Venthyr

[thorny pond]

Don’t AoE. Just single target multiple times 🧠

[strange python]

ty 🙂

looking at bunches of logs had me confused

[hollow river]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

Hmm?

[hollow river]

They let us leave work 2 hours early

[spice spire]

Jealous

One more hour for me king

Enjoy it though

[hollow river]

You got this

[spice spire]

Yessir

Then one day off and back to work Friday

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

It’s kinda free tho, don’t have to deal with SSA or the state

Just see people and chill

[hollow river]

[strange python]

Have spent all morning trying to figure out why my winds of winter and envenom seem to be doing less dam than the top parses and am super fucking lost

[hollow river]

Some of it is crit rng

For winds

[spice spire]

Rank 5?

[strange python]

Yes ofc

[spice spire]

I wouldn’t look at raw damage, but percentage. Do you perhaps have logs to look at?

[hollow river]

Which fight are you checking

[strange python]

Guardian first, but in general trying to figure out where I'm losing dam

[timid cloud]

Sometimes, it really comes down to “I didn’t crit during winds.”

[strange python]

My winds did 1800 DPS on guardian. Top comparable rogue log (no externals, same talents, same kill time) did 2100

[spice spire]

It’s good to look at % of damage over raw numbers. If you’re doing less dam overall, chances are it’ll do less overall. After that you look at crit %

[strange python]

Yeah I'm trying to go as deep as I can. I'm salty I am not 99%ing shit

Last time I played at this level was in mop before a break

Back then the answer was snapshot better

[spice spire]

Much simpler these days

Wait, you’re running MfD right?

[strange python]

I'm not, mostly because I was lazy.

[timid cloud]

That can be massive, especially in your opener.

[strange python]

And yes, I know mfd obe is theoretically better, but again, comparing to the logs of same talents

[spice spire]

Ahhhh fair

[strange python]

Most top logs still running ep/vigor

Fwiw

Even without externals

[oak sky]

If you have less gear than higher logs you might just directly do less damage

[strange python]

I'm 255 xd

[oak sky]

Uh

[strange python]

Just missing sylv offhand

[hollow river]

BS/DS should be better for guardian though

[strange python]

It's still ep/vig heavy on guardian

[oak sky]

Because people are lazy

Not because its better

[strange python]

Anyways: looking at Misanthropic on guardian, rank 41.

Our damage breakdown is almost even

But his winds did 300 more DPS

[oak sky]

Crit rng

He either crit on more winds or better winds

[strange python]

He has a second dag too which makes a difference but still

[spice spire]

46.2% crit on winds

L

I mean that’s the difference alone

[timid cloud]

Did one have wind fury & the other didn’t either? Not really an external, but it’s also a factor.

[strange python]

Yeah I can't find more crit than I've got without my sim saying it's a downgrade

[spice spire]

Going to assume you’re critical @strange python

[strange python]

Both had wft

Ye

[oak sky]

Well no

[spice spire]

Yeah

[oak sky]

Its your crit% on winds only

[strange python]

Oh I misread it

Yeah he crit the winds 7% more

[oak sky]

Its not very many instances of damage so winds has high variance on crit

[strange python]

Alright painsmith - having to FoK balls twice for full CP feels like the struggle

[oak sky]

Technically mut might do more damage

Im not convinced that spamming fok is the play after deadly poison is applied

[hollow river]

^

[oak sky]

Im not sure though

[hollow river]

Only 1 ball shows on logs so

Kinda hard to tell

[timid cloud]

Well you do it to get more CP.

Not so much the actual damage.

[oak sky]

Its rng

[strange python]

Others are FoK>env, I've had to FoK>fok>env

[timid cloud]

I just do it to try to funnel the damage done from those balls into the boss itself.

[strange python]

Which I get is just luck but I'm missing something else

[oak sky]

Nope

Its luck

[strange python]

No not on the xp

Cp