assassination

[alpine latch]

Their spriest was missing so their rogue went on his alt spriest, so I basically grabbed his spot

He was coaching me in tells through the fight

[hollow river]

You basically have step up every time you need it

[alpine latch]

So many feints on that fight, lol

[hollow river]

Can cloak the malevolence silence if you slip up

[alpine latch]

Yeah

I saved cloak in p2 for the 30% pop

I wasn't dying to my inexperience there

Painsmith is a lot of fun too, but fuck I hate those balls

Always terrified I'm eating a ball to the face and I'm the idiot that wasted a battle rez in p1

[hollow river]

Getting used to the balls takes a good handful of pulls

[alpine latch]

I mean, I've killed it on heroic like 40 times at this point. Just one of those "please don't be an idiot" moments to myself

[hollow river]

It’s similar to heroic but it’s a tighter squeeze with the creeping spikes

[outer cairn]

I was wondering about this too. Having played Vigor mostly, the need to pool wasn't really apparent. Playing MfD I see the need for it a bit more.

[grand ridge]

I feel like rogues are one of the least worried about specs to healers due to winds

I feel so tanky on mine at least in heroic

[outer cairn]

I mean, if there is enough people running blood shards and the raid ain't taking to much damage, there is a lot of passive healing going on as well

[violet jackal]

Every week I forget to send a healer down in the phylacyery because I forget there damage down there I’m going to be so sad when winds of winter is no more

[grand ridge]

Yeah same

[alpine latch]

Our melee always some how die to the down phase

As a rogue, I don't get it

[slow marsh]

Yeah it'll be interesting to see how healing pans out overall across the raid next tier considering how strong frost / blood is

[viscid spear]

I remember missing my guild's first Heroic KT kill and doing it the following week, just to get slammed by the tornadoes he throws out at the start of the 3rd down phase.
Silly me forgot to look up the changes in Heroic

[alpine latch]

My Horde guild in heroic didn't send healers at all

We just didn't die

My alliance guild does because people kept dying

[viscid spear]

I think they sent a healer down on the first pull, and realized it was unnecessary.
Our group's melee is stacked (me, two Warriors, UH DK, WW Monk), to the point that we were facerolling the phylactery phase like it was nothing and our ranged were having trouble up top. Eventually on reclears we kept the warriors up on 3rd down phase to make it easier.

[slow marsh]

Heroic KT is a joke though you can mostly ignore all the mechanics and just nuke him

[viscid spear]

Yeah, but this was our first encounters with him

[slow marsh]

oh true then

[viscid spear]

We hardly do Mythic every tier, and when we do it's only like the first few

[timber tiger]

should i delay vendetta for flagellation if i use obedience

[limber lion]

Sure

[viscid spear]

I think only if Flag is <12 seconds from coming off CD

Don't quote me

[simple stratus]

idk @timber tiger but this one dude said this so its prob true

Ashkitten: I think only if Flag is <12 seconds from coming off CD

[timber tiger]

hahaha

well ty ^^

[slow marsh]

You sync every other

unless you're gonna miss a cast

i.e. at the end of the fight

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's not right

@spice spire

go ahead

[slow marsh]

You should be getting 24/25 stacks if not more so you can sync every other just fine.

@spice spire the anticipation is killing me

[spice spire]

Just send it on cast. Don’t miss casts though. The best example would be in a 4:25 minute fight (not obedience) to hold the final flag cast to the third vendetta, not sending it on CD there, but you’d still send in between

I mean it’s not rocket science

Don’t miss a cast, line up where you can.

[slow marsh]

I missed a whole set of flag/vend in my first hSylv with new guild cuz they hero at a weird time

felt bad

[spice spire]

Isn’t this shiv rules?

[slow marsh]

yeah that's shiv for vend rules

[viscid spear]

[limber lion]

[dark token]

Yeah I save cloak for it especially on mythic kt

In down all 3x now

[gusty mirage]

And close to the mfd > flag rule

[spice spire]

Gabagool class

[viscid spear]

I'm the best at avoiding mechanics (which shouldn't be a huge accomplishment) so I got a lot of (mostly playful) ribbing after the tornadoes F5'd me

[dark token]

You need a freedom or cloak or something to remove the root as they will kill you

I mean they are completely unavoidable as melee at least in mythic

No room to dodge because of the amount of pools on the floor

[sharp zodiac]

The winds on mythic?

[dark token]

The tornados not the pushback

[sharp zodiac]

Just back up when he's casting them and dont get hit?

[dark token]

Yeah

No room because ranged have filled the outside of the room with pools

[sharp zodiac]

There is a ton of room

[dark token]

No lol

[sharp zodiac]

Just have your melee got clockwise around the boss

[dark token]

I can link you clips

[sharp zodiac]

and range go counter

please do

[dark token]

Yes our melee do that

But our ranged just mongo it

So pools fuckin everywhere

[sharp zodiac]

If you're getting hit by the tornados your downstairs team is doing something wrong

[balmy condor]

Just hold cloak and cloak it whats the issue

[dark token]

I mean I just cloak

Yeah

Only rogues and paladins are down there as melee

[sharp zodiac]

Usually cloak the 6 shard explosion

[balmy condor]

Seems like a waste

[dark token]

Nah it was nerfed healers have cds for it anywya

[sharp zodiac]

We 3 heal

[balmy condor]

Using cloak on raid wide damage that gets covered by healer cooldowns

Kinda weird

[dark token]

I cloak the 2nd explosion but I hold 3rd and cloak 3rd down phase

If the hunter can live we can live :P

[slow marsh]

just feint and use vial on explosion

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[slow marsh]

we will be the last class to die from that

so if you die its a wipe anyways

[dark token]

Winds of winter op

[sharp zodiac]

Regardless. Still shouldnt be hit by glacial winds downstairs

cloak or no cloak

[balmy condor]

100% you shouldn’t

Because you cloak

[dark token]

^

But if I didn't have cloak

I'd get fucked every time

[balmy condor]

Yeah I probably would too

[dark token]

It's a 99% unavoidable mechanic at least in my group

[sharp zodiac]

Legit you can just see him casting it and eye an empty spot

[dark token]

Pools are not well stackee

I barely have enough empty spots for my body

[gusty mirage]

Never are tbh

[sharp zodiac]

Well that sounds like a ranged issue

[dark token]

Let alone dodge room for tornados

Yeah we let them mongo cause it's easier for them

[balmy condor]

I feel like tornado hit box ain’t great either

I tried just dodging it for the first couple pulls

And then realized it’s just a waste of time

[gusty mirage]

Like everything that moves it’s bigger than it appears

Idk why anyone would not just cloak it lol

You have vial, feint, health pot, and lock rocks for the 6 spikes

And cheat

[balmy condor]

Cloak on cooldown brother

[gusty mirage]

Zero chance of dying

[balmy condor]

Stand strong

[spice spire]

We push our CDs on cooldown

Even the defensives

Maximizing dps

[balmy condor]

Buff uptime metrics boutta bust

[gusty mirage]

Good way to maximize dps is to cloak the tornado in phylac

Rather than play ring around the Rosie with it

[sharp zodiac]

Most of the time i feel like im holding dps down there anyways

its not even constant dps

like by the time the nados come out Remnant is like 5%? maybe Sub 5?

Just running around waiting for Aboms to be killed

[balmy condor]

Sounds like a ranged problem

[sharp zodiac]

[spice spire]

Not stepping to the remnant 🤨

[gusty mirage]

Damn bro you’re right

[balmy condor]

Stepping into a puddle

[gusty mirage]

He doesn’t know what the puddles are

[spice spire]

Healing mechanic

[balmy condor]

True

[spice spire]

Implying I didn’t watch ur dog ass wipe to it smh

[balmy condor]

Mechanics are always someone else’s problem

I’m a dps

[gusty mirage]

You never watch my stream or whispyr’s

Why do you hate us????

[spice spire]

???

[obsidian aurora]

in pure st raids (guardian), is running blindside and DS worth it?

[alpine latch]

You stream?

[slow marsh]

yeah it's twitch.tv/butlickeroxi

[red plaza]

The only fight in SoD yeah you can run bs/ds.

[viscid spear]

I creek.

[strange python]

I will do more

[balmy condor]

Promise?

[strange python]

Yes

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Uh?

[outer cairn]

or shadowstep in after he casts it and save cloak for big blue ball thing. unless its something different on mythic

[limber lion]

[viscid spear]

[inland hull]

Many of the posts in Recruitment don't mention rogues. How do you find a guild that progs Mythic?

[spice spire]

You can apply regardless

[gusty mirage]

Wowprog usually or word of mouth

[spice spire]

People will take exceptional dps regardless of class if they’re not wr triple digits

Most should*

[outer cairn]

haha i half expected those posts to be guilds looking for rogues

its kind of like everytime I run a M+. Hey we gonna shroud this? Everyone: Oh yeah totally forgot you can do that. smh

people forget how useful we are lol

[spice spire]

Raids different as you don’t bring utility

[inland hull]

I've never really tried Mythic, and if the tiers last this long, it may actually be an option. Ty for the input guys

[spice spire]

We just kinda pump

[outer cairn]

Utility Pump

[spice spire]

Utility: damage

[outer cairn]

Pumptility

[viscid spear]

[outer cairn]

new word. add it to the lexicon

[viscid spear]

Happens far too often

[outer cairn]

i don't even play my rogue that much. raid twice a week, do some weekly stuff and run a 15 or higher and that's about it

now i'm more climbing ranked in Pokemon Unite with Cinder, Decid, and Blastoise lol

or gearing alts

[limber lion]

Grind your logs and get them up to par, only then apply to a guild.

Make yourself stand out

[strange python]

Nr 5 sin on Ysondre now. And I am not even french kekw

[limber lion]

in r.io?

[marble dew]

hello , iam quite new to assa rog and the game , do i use flag leggy in m+ and in raid dashing?

[limber lion]

That's fine yeah

[glad siren]

welcome schlayer

[marble dew]

kk and flag leggy is more versatile in m+ and raid ?

[marble dew]

hello

[red plaza]

yes, and versatile in that you can use it for sub too

[slow marsh]

it's good on certain fights in raid but still pretty niche

[marble dew]

okay tyvm

[limber lion]

It's a good first legendary for sure

But just stick to dashing in raid and obedience in m+

Zoldyck is also good for m+, but Obedience is good enough

[marble dew]

ty guys for the fast help

[limber lion]

np

[quasi scroll]

in M+ is it ever appropriate to spam FOK+Crimson?

[balmy condor]

No

[quasi scroll]

didn't think so... so tempting though

would be nice to have a real aoe finisher

on a pull of 6-7 mobs what's the general prio, stealth garrote 3, then fok+rupture everything and keep CT up?

[limber lion]

Pretty much

Keeping SnD up with Envenoms

[alpine latch]

I'm kind of excited for Obe and Zoldyck's in 9.2, but IDK if it'll be enough. Outlaw/Sub set bonuses look juicy

[clever kindle]

[limber lion]

Deathspike/Zoldyck could be fun in m+ as well.

[clever kindle]

new outlaw set

[slow marsh]

Well since they are seemingly want to center us back around bleeds we should get a nice boostie in 9.2

[spice spire]

You said obe + MA wrong king

[slow marsh]

I think sin and outlaw sets are about even right now actually

We have a better 4p and they have a better 2p

[slow marsh]

But wouldn't Necro deathspike MA be better for keys

Imagine

The burst

[spice spire]

True

Deathspike MA HB GAMING

[limber lion]

hb

[slow marsh]

As much as I love the idea of hb

[spice spire]

You can exsang but I can’t HB

[limber lion]

you cringe at my TO exsang

I cringe at your hb

[spice spire]

Very true

It’s like my singular brain cell knows it should be wrong

But it’ll probably decent and I’ll just be mad

[slow marsh]

HB is kinda hidden tech tho if you are about those cheese parses

[limber lion]

Skip

[slow marsh]

did sire scar you that badly

really though on a serious note

why aren't we pushing to get HB reworked for 9.2

[limber lion]

whatchu mean

good luck pushing anything to get reworked

[slow marsh]

true

[limber lion]

our entire talent tree needs to be reworked

[slow marsh]

it does

but

that last row specifically

[obsidian aurora]

when running bs/ds, how many stacks of flagalation are you aiming for in the opener?

[slow marsh]

seems like biggest prio imo

[obsidian aurora]

do you wait for alecrity to buikd?

[slow marsh]

alacrity is boring AF but at least it's good

[limber lion]

Never

You never play around Alacrity

[slow marsh]

opener you should get 28 ish stacks

[alpine latch]

So ... Would the 4pc make SBS do double damage?

lol

[limber lion]

No

[obsidian aurora]

god damn

[alpine latch]

RIP.

[slow marsh]

sbs bleed doesn't even do all that much compared to the raw dam on cast

[obsidian aurora]

without alacrity it feels so sluggish

[alpine latch]

Sin, IMO, requires more patience and forward thinking to play. If you want to have 19 buttons to hit every GCD, play Outlaw.

[limber lion]

You honestly can't even tell the difference

whether or not you have alacrity

what feels sluggish is blindside/deeper stratagem

just stop using that garbage talent set

and use EP/Vigor or EP/Mfd

[alpine latch]

EP/Vigor is life

[slow marsh]

i've thoroughly enjoyed the mfd tech

[alpine latch]

I'm assuming that shiv windows are going to be harder to do right in 9.2 with smaller bleed windows

[slow marsh]

i mean we are low key hoping the 2p is at least tweaked but

[alpine latch]

I'm not smart enough for MFD. I just started performing EP/Vigor well. Don't fix what ain't broken

[slow marsh]

either way as of now it doesn't change our gameplay

we still shiv on cd to get max uptime

[alpine latch]

yeah

Every now and then I still fuck up and need to apply rupture in a Shiv window

I see that happening more in 9.2

But unless Sin is just bottom of the barrel, I fully intend to keep playing it

[slow marsh]

well

as of now i think we won't be envenoming as much anyways

[limber lion]

That honestly doesn't matter one bit

[slow marsh]

fitting fatty envenoms inside shiv isn't as big as just having shiv up as much as possible

[alpine latch]

I know it doesn't matter. Just in the moment I wonder I notice it

And then I try to figure out if there was a way for me to avoid it

[slow marsh]

its mostly splitting hairs at that point. as long as everything is up as much as possible and you aren't trolling your rotation then it's pretty minimal minmaxing ifaik

not saying you shouldn't try to do it

[alpine latch]

yeah

I figure it's better to refresh during Shiv than well before it needs to be

[limber lion]

Yeah well you can stop wondering about that altogether

because it literally doesn't matter

[spice spire]

Shiv isn’t some weird burst window CD. Just think of it like a debuff apply as you can and you’ll do a little more damage

[slow marsh]

the only time shiv is even close to a burst cd is with vend vanish up

which is why you sync vanish with shiv inside of vend

instead of holding vend

[alpine latch]

If only my brain allowed that to happen Cev...

[oak sky]

You cant avoid refreshing during shiv because we don't always finish at the same combo points

[alpine latch]

Never once said it was rational

That's just how my brain works 🤷‍♂️

[oak sky]

Yeah no worries

[hollow river]

How long do we hold shiv for vendetta

I think that’s one thing I definitely struggle with

~10sec?

[slow marsh]

12

[hollow river]

I need to get better about that

[slow marsh]

its fine if you don't hold

[hollow river]

Slamming on CD is engrained in my muslce memory

[slow marsh]

just hold your vanish for it

it desyncs vanish vend but it's mostly fine

depending on fight duration it's actually better cuz you get an extra cast or two from that

[limber lion]

Nah, you definitely always want to sync those 3 together

You want the full 9s value of Shiv inside the 20s Vend window and the 3s MA window.

[shy hazel]

Venthyr/obedience still bis for sin?

[slow marsh]

or dashing yeah

[quiet sapphire]

Yo, Theotar or Nadija you guys reckon? it seems when i sim it that Theotar is slightly better but how much use of the mastery buff will you actually get in combat because of constant movement?

[balmy condor]

always theotar

[golden basalt]

Regardless of umbrella you’re getting more consistent value from theotar anyway due to how inconsistently fatal flaw works for nadija

[quiet sapphire]

fair enough, cheers 🙂

[golden basalt]

Flat 3% crit is huge

And the sim accounts for each buff with a 25% uptime so in reality if you make sure to keep your crit buff for raid the value is even higher

[quiet sapphire]

how does it work so that you always get the crit? (i've not used this before)

[golden basalt]

It’s up for 4 hours

You can reroll it every hour

If you log out with it, it doesn’t decay

[quiet sapphire]

ah so its just a thing of rerolling until i get the crit?

[golden basalt]

Yeah

[quiet sapphire]

alright 🙂 thank you

[golden basalt]

The haste buff is pretty good too

What you want to avoid is the agility one

[obtuse robin]

agi bad tho

[strange python]

why main stat is bad?:O

[obtuse robin]

cuz its not flat like the others

[quiet sapphire]

alrighty, another question i have is wether to use vigor or deeper stratagem? i've always felt energy starved without vigor but perhaps its just me being bad at managing it

my ilevel is 237 so its not super low

[balmy condor]

in what context

raids?

[kindred rapids]

what else is there

[quiet sapphire]

raids yes sorry

[balmy condor]

you play blindside/deeper for guardian

and ep/mfd for everything else

[quiet sapphire]

because of the instant 5 cp with snd plus venthyr ability?

[balmy condor]

because cp during flag is good

[golden basalt]

Very good

[balmy condor]

you don't prepull snd with venth mfd

[quiet sapphire]

its worth it so i dont suffer outside of flag?

[golden basalt]

Mut -> snd -> opener

[balmy condor]

yeh

[golden basalt]

If you’re playing venth

[quiet sapphire]

cool, ima def try that

[balmy condor]

you mfd in flag, mfd out of flag, mfd in flag, over and over

[quiet sapphire]

use it on cd and with flag i take it?

[balmy condor]

as long as you mfd in flag

you're chillin

[quiet sapphire]

cool 🙂

[golden basalt]

Hold mfd for flag is about it

Other than that slam it

[kindred rapids]

obviously can hold for adds as well

[quiet sapphire]

excited to try it out, I used to main Rogue back in the day but only now getting back into it

a lot to learn 😄

[golden basalt]

you can I guess if it doesn’t impede your usage within flag

Rogue is fun, vigor is overrated

[kindred rapids]

Seems like people are scared to run out of energy

[golden basalt]

Vigor feels good

very forgiving talent

[strange python]

I like gameplay with mfd

[kindred rapids]

Yeah I agree

easy flag stacks

[dusky vault]

Mfd is back, hype

[kindred rapids]

big MA damage

[strange python]

i can do even 4 envenoms in 1 shiv

with mfd

[kindred rapids]

nice add snipes

[dusky vault]

You can do that anyway if your lucky

[kindred rapids]

nothing like sniping 4 adds w/ mfd inside shiv

[normal mist]

poggers my dudes

just killed SylvanasHC as a guild

FINALLY

[nimble tartan]

hell yeah bro

[bronze pike]

grsts

[normal mist]

fun fact

killed her as a necro and did huge dps LOL

more dps than what i was doing as venthyr D:

[balmy condor]

more overall dps or more sylv dps

[normal mist]

overall. check this

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/grim-batol/royalflüx#boss=2435

i mean maybe more sylv dps aswell

[balmy condor]

the frost set diff

[normal mist]

(lots of mistakes on that fight i imagine, still, happy dude for my guild right here!)

[balmy condor]

but yeh

that's good deeps

[normal mist]

i wasnt expecting this dps, since i legit changed to necro to, and i quote "have some fun and play a bit diferent"

[frosty cedar]

nice blast mate

gj on kill

[normal mist]

OH

A HUNTER ALSO GOT THE BOW ON OUR FIRST KILL

[frosty cedar]

which one 😎

[normal mist]

LEG!

[balmy condor]

no, which hunter

[normal mist]

oh

cromation

xD

[frosty cedar]

deserved

[golden basalt]

very

[normal mist]

yeah he played super well

[golden basalt]

now gkick your arms warrior

[normal mist]

dude he got the bow i was the one yellin in discord hyped LOL

[dawn ivy]

its a tragedy that necro isnt the go to for sin

i itch for just one more applied dot for sin

[normal mist]

Okay we just checked

we killed sylvanas in 44 pulls

[glass tulip]

wat

heroic?

[normal mist]

yes

im not in the next level yet Mavv 😦

[glass tulip]

nice! Gratz!

I was just very concerned when i saw 44 🤣

[normal mist]

LOL

[daring kraken]

Is theo only better with crit tea or is it good with anything but agi?

[oak sky]

pretty much anything but agi

should reroll vers but its ok

[fallow otter]

We seem to have a buyer get it every week 🤮

[normal mist]

Lol meanwhile, since I'm too lazy to do sylv evert week and be there progging in pugs, I bought like 4 Sylv kills so I could have an extra chance at the dagger...
7 kills (hc) 7x anima.

@fallow otter

[plain onyx]

hahaha

[gusty mirage]

If it makes you feel better I have 20 or 21 kills and I’ve only seen it twice

[normal mist]

It's not just the dagger @gusty mirage , is ANY LOOT in general. Only seen Anima xD

[gusty mirage]

Oh I’ve gotten loot like 4 times. Once was the 2nd dagger and I had to trade it away

Boosts

[normal mist]

Oof...

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay mythic dagger for sure soon

[normal mist]

You got this bro

Any week now

Ps I'm also impressed that dashing necro worked so well I did 1k dps more than my last logged kill, with only 2 ilvl more

[oak sky]

@gusty mirage my vault is gonna go off tomorrow ong

[gusty mirage]

I believe

[sudden canyon]

i wanna fuck around on sin for my weekly keys. whats the diff between zoldyck and obedience.

[normal mist]

Zoldyck = +overall
Obedience = very good st

Obe is a good when your group lacks good ST, for bosses or mini bosses

Aka you are the one melting them

[sudden canyon]

for sub we were between finality and obedience and then obedience just became clearly better overall since we could make good use of the CD bonus. is that not the case for sin?

[normal mist]

Might be, I never play obe in keys

I'm a zold bitch

[gusty mirage]

Obedience is better for prio damage and helps line up flag better. Zold is typically better for overall

If you pug a lot just play zold, if you got a team and you need prio dam play obe. I flip flop between the two constantly

[sudden canyon]

okay i guess im just confused of the value of obedience in a prio prespective because imagine ur not sending it on every pack its available are you?

[golden basalt]

i mean its a 1 min cd

send it

[sudden canyon]

i just dont see how obd lego helps with prio dmg

[golden basalt]

hold for prio and boss

[gusty mirage]

You would unless you feel like it’d be better to hold it (end of the pack, coming up to a tormentor right after , etc)

[sudden canyon]

its not the CD

is the vers that good?

[gusty mirage]

Well it’s the CD

Lining up every other flag with vendetta helps you burn down a problematic mob

Seeing as flag is our only real burst as assassination in keys

[sudden canyon]

speaking of burst, im a lil bummed with the tier set. I feel like theyre just doubling down on every classes burst window.

[gusty mirage]

Knocking off 30s every flag cast means you’re getting 3 casts every 3 minutes instead of 2. That adds up you know?

Yeah the tier set looks…. Quite meh for the lack of a better word

[sudden canyon]

seems like lazy design instead of spreading the cooldowns throughout the rotation they just make everyones 2-3min cd way stronger

well i guess im thinking of a couple of specific ones

rogue hpal

[balmy condor]

Wdym looks great and I’m sure the wowhead writer didn’t write anything aggressive into the tier set first impressions article that’s going up later this week?

[gusty mirage]

I hope it’s very passively aggressive

[balmy condor]

And I hope it’s to your standards

[gusty mirage]

I’m sure it’s beyond my usual standards for wowhead

[balmy condor]

[sudden canyon]

[normal mist]

My boomie keeps telling me they will become even more broken

Thx to the double leg

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m glad people are optimistic before blizz goes in and tweaks all legendaries to try to stop that

Makes their tears sweeter

[normal mist]

Laughs behind a corner

Although our tier is super... basic, I didn't dislike it

But is it fun? No

[gusty mirage]

Could be

We don’t know for sure yet

[normal mist]

I'm kinda afraid of how much we are going to lose because of frost set

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr broke down the numbers a few days ago. It’s going to be a good chunk of damage but we won’t be useless

[normal mist]

I mean, around 1.5/2k of my dps was frost alone

It's... stupid

Are we going back to haste critical?

[amber beacon]

Any ideas for the new set of 9.2 ?

[gusty mirage]

Well we won’t be stacking obscene amounts of crit anymore

You’ll see more balanced secondaries for sure

But it’ll still be crit/haste

That’s a story as old as time for assa

[normal mist]

(Not during legion thooooooo)

[balmy condor]

wdym any ideas

[oak sky]

i have one

add synergy to our tier set like nearly every other one got

[cobalt hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-scratch-like-thats-ever-gonna-happen-book-gif-16284864

[faint harness]

25% bleed crit + exsang = juice

[limber lion]

nightstalker snapshot + 25% bleed crit + 4p + exsang

ded

[balmy condor]

so true

did not see the forest for the trees

[faint harness]

100k dps burst

you love to see it

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

Pvp nerds beware

the bleed furries bout to take over

[vast forum]

Haha imagine caring about bleeds in a game where literal 1shots exist

[balmy condor]

yeh

1 nightstalker MA Obed 30 stack NS EP exsang 4 piece vendetta exsang shiv bleed buff rupture

1 shot

[limber lion]

just make sure to stay still whilst I hit these 15 buttons on you first

[grim hornet]

obed 30 stacks on pvp seems kinda hard for sin xD

[limber lion]

hard? more like impossible

[brazen zodiac]

i can feel the vibrations in that gif

[soft shale]

no one expects the resounding clarity vanish ns rupture exsang

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

now with 100% faster bleed in vendetta

[slow marsh]

What degeneracy did I just wake up and walk into

[gusty mirage]

Just hacha doing hacha things

[spice spire]

Tornado ST when

[gusty mirage]

Whenever you want

[spice spire]

True

[slow marsh]

Today is my birthday

I would like to be gifted with a new sin meta please and thank you

[spice spire]

Happy birthday señor blades

[gusty mirage]

The new meta is the 9.0 meta

[spice spire]

I hope your frost set has 100% crit today

[spice spire]

Reroll?

[gusty mirage]

Click talents, click one of the other two specs and click activate spec

[slow marsh]

Maybe I finally get a dagger from vault

[slow marsh]

Good thing I'm a three spec gamer right

[gusty mirage]

So you’re well versed in the new meta already

Way to be ahead of the curve

[spice spire]

Cursed takes

Just OTP sin

[gusty mirage]

Some of us would like to see all the mythic content

🙂

[slow marsh]

Kekw true

[kind talon]

sub rogue arms warrior fire mage

[spice spire]

Then why is @slow marsh swapping?

[kind talon]

servers up btw

sheesh

boutta check a boxxy no cap

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ooooooooh-got-gif-18386379

Nah sin will be fine

And you’ll still be able to play it

If you want

[spice spire]

Having a bit of a laugh here oxi?

[gusty mirage]

No?

It will be fine

[kind talon]

fuck

rogue vault was unusable

go next

[spice spire]

GG go next king. Great mentality

[kind talon]

warrior vault pray for me

[spice spire]

[kind talon]

this is the big money

[gusty mirage]

Does it feel like Christmas? Because it was revealed to me that their intent with the vault was it feels like Christmas

[spice spire]

Didn’t even ask for the oxi blessing

[kind talon]

ye

it felt like christmas

[gusty mirage]

Nice #workingasintended

[kind talon]

oxi bless my vault

[gusty mirage]

How you gonna flame me 2 hours ago

And ask me for a blessing

[kind talon]

???????

i barely flamed u

[normal mist]

Oof.

[kind talon]

unreal

[gusty mirage]

So you did flame me

[timid cloud]

Imagine not flaming Oxi.

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

i make one joke

and it comes to this

[timid cloud]

🐀

[gusty mirage]

may your vault include not kaka

[kind talon]

yours too big bro

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

I’m going for research 4 weeks in a row

[timid cloud]

All of my brothers will prosper this week.

[gusty mirage]

Currently at my all time highest streak of 3

[timid cloud]

Which rogue first? Main or old rogue?

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

@gusty mirage we stonkin

[gusty mirage]

Damn bro I got esra his mythic edge and your war big vault

Giving blessings for $15 moving forward. DM me for PayPal info

[timid cloud]

Which Vault do I open? @gusty mirage

[kind talon]

sheesh

main rogue

[timid cloud]

Old or new rogue main.

[gusty mirage]

Old rogue first

That way if it sucks

You have enough hopium that the new rogue’s vault won’t

[timid cloud]

LOL

[slow marsh]

I want to level an alt for horde instead of paying even more to xfer but idk what class

[gusty mirage]

What do you want the alt for?

Like professions?

[slow marsh]

Backup

[gusty mirage]

Oh

[slow marsh]

It would take a lot for me to come off rogur

[gusty mirage]

Ww monk probably a good idea

Close enough to rogue but a good change of pace

[slow marsh]

But it sounds nice when apping for higher guilds I'd imagine

[spice spire]

Green rogue is my recommendation too

[gusty mirage]

I was going to suggest a Druid for farming mats and making your own potions/flasks

[spice spire]

Don’t do mage like me

[gusty mirage]

But we don’t like druids for other purposes

[spice spire]

Nah feral chill

Any Kyrian

Banger

[slow marsh]

Yeah I don't want to do mage or druid cuz then I'd have a cha CE of getting stuck on it

[spice spire]

Boomkin though?

[gusty mirage]

Or hunter

[slow marsh]

I was thinking between war, monk, hunter, sham, ret

[gusty mirage]

Marksman is kinda fun

Survival is a blast

[timid cloud]

Warrior is kinda crispy.

[gusty mirage]

Shaman is a good one because all 3 specs are useful in their own way

[spice spire]

Problem with monk and war is that like

[slow marsh]

I see a lot of war alts but idk I feel like it's the same thing as rogue minus tuning

[gusty mirage]

Yes even enhance

[spice spire]

If your group is lacking

They’ll make you swap

[gusty mirage]

@slow marsh play something that’s also strong in pvp

[spice spire]

Lack of raid utility btw

[gusty mirage]

Because pvp is fun

[gusty mirage]

“Make you”

Funny

[slow marsh]

Yeah PvP is chill

[gusty mirage]

I play what I want to play and if you don’t want me to play it lmk when we got the boss on farm

[slow marsh]

I'm high on sham cuz it can play ranged but also enhance is fun/good

[gusty mirage]

Yeah plus lust is neat for world content

[spice spire]

Hance is a Wft

[slow marsh]

Wft gets in under geared

[spice spire]

That’s very true

I’d do some highly unethical things for a wft

[slow marsh]

Same I had 3 bosses on heroic without it and already missing it

[obtuse robin]

gonna get even more crouded with pally wanting wft in 9.2

[slow marsh]

It's gonna be interesting

Hopefully they don't swing back to a ranged heavy raid

[obtuse robin]

hows melee doing in there can we not tell yet

[spice spire]

There’s no PTR so no

[slow marsh]

Just looking at the journal it seems like ranged is going to be better again

[obtuse robin]

dam

[slow marsh]

But yeah until ptr we won't know

[brazen zodiac]

sup black

[obtuse robin]

just hopefully not so like cn

hey sup

[brazen zodiac]

nm hru

[obtuse robin]

chilling

[slow marsh]

The thing is that I think melee tuning is looking really good going into the patch so unless the fights just completely screw us then it should be fine

[brazen zodiac]

im at work for another 7 hours and im fuckin exhausted

i can't talk to crying people this tired it doesn't work

[obtuse robin]

vit + job

cap

[brazen zodiac]

ive been working as a makeshift funeral director for like a month bow

now

wym bro

[obtuse robin]

wat lol

[brazen zodiac]

haha

doing my internship for college

studying to become a funeral directorb

[obtuse robin]

bro ur making that up no shot

[brazen zodiac]

?

[spice spire]

Such a morbid profession

[obtuse robin]

is this why ur so out of it sniffing that formaldehyde

jk

lol

sounds cool tho gl

[brazen zodiac]

I'm straight vibing in the office bro

What you think happens to ya grandma and grandpa when they die bro

They don't just disappear yk someone's gotta take care of em haha

The wifi is absolutely dogshit as well lmfao

So glad it took 20 years to send lmfao

[obtuse robin]

lol

[brazen zodiac]

The smell actually makes me pass out I use 2 face masks and a shield

But I do know people who dip their blunts in that stuff to get high

Usually the same people I work on months later 🙃

[obtuse robin]

[brazen zodiac]

meh no difference between that and ya doctor or dentist or whatever

matter of perspective really

[spice spire]

Different versions. You deal with the grieving, a doctor deals with the final moments kinda deal.
I personally prefer the latter

[brazen zodiac]

idk i work on the dead doctors work on the living

they worry about killing em i worry about making them look too alive lul

still you see the same stuff

[normal mist]

LOL

[brazen zodiac]

I rather work on them dead I can't hurt them lol

Doctors big brain responsibility

[obtuse robin]

with 1/30 the debt

[slow marsh]

still no dagger

but 252 iqd

i'll take it

[obtuse robin]

f

i got my dagger then i stopped playing the next day that made vit feel some type of way

[timid cloud]

@gusty mirage

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/1w71eX4VDIAlEbWeWOrffGNO3OFU-Z_VqpGDzBGFgHw/https/i.gyazo.com/0c8cf08ef110649e2d88634a7a5c355d.png

Old Rogue

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/aA5iT4qHsF83KLBbyoHemhMifoOVfYfdZpGZZImk51M/https/i.gyazo.com/e77df2155a0ff2f4617add1bc315e858.png

NEW Rogue.

I think I take trinket here, it's BIS.

[spice spire]

But it’s not

I know you’re having a bit of a chuckle rn but

[timid cloud]

True, that trinket is simbait.

[spice spire]

Nah it’s third

It’s a good trinket

Phial and Fusion Amp

[gusty mirage]

damn

I've blessed 2 mythic edges

[timid cloud]

Oxi is 2 for 2 now, no?

[slow marsh]

i'm kinda surprised IQD sims higher than eye trink

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

i've been wanting it for a while for the shorter farm fights but i'm just surprised it wins on 5mins as well

[timid cloud]

As long as you get stats on it & not execute / heal / mana.

Avoiding Mana / Heal is hard sometimes, especially when healers are trying to pump too.

[dusk cave]

In m+ is it worth it to vendetta and keep spreading bleeds or should I funnel envenoms into priority target? Never know how to use vendetta on trash

[slow marsh]

yeah just use it on whatever will live longest

and spread bleeds

unless you need to funnel on it then by all means

spread bleeds = more overall but funnel is more helpful to group most times

[dusk cave]

Cool thanks makes sense thank you

[jovial spear]

Worth crafting Zoldycks to just fuck around in some keys? Will I notice a difference?

[slow marsh]

maybe

[limber lion]

Ye you should

No harm in it

[jovial spear]

aight, will try it out 🙂

[strange python]

sorry, going to be asking this for the 84th time, do we flag rupture before vendetta?

[gusty mirage]

yes

mut > snd > mut > garrote > flag > rupture then vendetta > shiv.. etc etc

[strange python]

I've been told there are "great concerns" about my rotation but I cannot for the life of me guess what I'm supposedly doing wrong

[gusty mirage]

you can post logs here

and we can help you go through them

[mystic garden]

got a FAT 252 crit haste ring to replace my 239 painsmith one

pretty stoked

[strange python]

where would I be able to post them?

[gusty mirage]

just here in the channel is fine 🙂

[strange python]

oh okay

cool

: )

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vhHQxgdpVRTy8WZc#fight=20&type=casts&source=29&view=timeline

example of a decent fight

I know i take a risker approach to the opener compared to the traditional one i think

[gusty mirage]

@marble hemlock could you make a thread for this 🙂

[vestal wren]

there you go

[outer cairn]

If, and big IF, I were to get another H Syl dagger, would it be better to run double Syl daggers as Sin or at least stick with a 252 in the MH? I know I know, sim it if it happens, but wondering if anyone else has already experimented with it.

[gusty mirage]

thank you sir ❤️

[quasi ledge]

252 in MH, Heroic Sylv dagger in OH

[outer cairn]

thats what i'm rocking right now. I figured that was the go to. Sub can run double though right? Since they can buff the shadow dmg

[quasi ledge]

For Sub it'll be a closer, i'm not experienced with Sub. That'll be a go-by-the-sim thing

[outer cairn]

I still have the normal one. I need to run some sims, just haven't paid much attention to it.

[marble hemlock]

youre welcome

[viscid spear]

249 Flayedwing Toxin

Wrong poison trinket, sucks man

[strange python]

l00l yeah I had one of those for weeks

[regal cape]

All this crit just in time for my guild to die as we were about to finish sylv prog

[glass tulip]

Sucks when you need a parse on Soulrender but your raid team has a monk, 2 warriors who swap to fury, and a warlock who literally delete the adds

I don't even have time to get off 2 ruptures let alone some boss funnel

[wraith vault]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Critical Strike >= Haste > Versatility > Mastery
Note: Having a frost set equipped makes crit much better, usually making it your best stat by a good margin.

[subtle tundra]

why cant i sim socket on legion timewalking gear? is it not socketable or am i blind?

[gusty mirage]

probably not

I'm assuming you're on the TR?

[balmy condor]

Simming legion timewalking gear

[gusty mirage]

oh I misread that

yikes

I need to sleep

[subtle tundra]

its on raidbots

[spice spire]

Go bed oxi

[balmy condor]

But yeh I don’t think you can socket it

[subtle tundra]

im just curious, if the autottack ring is not socketable then its not good

[balmy condor]

All the consumables are shadowlands items

Like socket a shadowlands season 2 item, etc

[subtle tundra]

well

[balmy condor]

You’d have to drop it with a natural socket

[subtle tundra]

its upgradeable

so its a s2 item

right?

[drifting cloud]

should be

[balmy condor]

Idk how they count that

[subtle tundra]

the ash'golm trinket seems pretty good

0.9% upgrade over 252 shadowgrasp

i think its cause it has crit stat instead of agi so it goes well with frost set

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s a 1.7 for me

But I think that’s over the 246 phial

[gusty mirage]

doubtful

246 phial > 252 shadowgrasp

[spice spire]

L + no sleep + you’re legally white

[gusty mirage]

[glass tulip]

Picking up a 252 Haste/Mast ring for 9.2 prep. Now I have a Death God's signet and Sworn oath
Any 9.2 mastery stackers? 👀

[balmy condor]

Just you

[glass tulip]

[sudden canyon]

wtb mastery assassination.

[thorny pond]

Mav is new Osh, heard

[thorny pond]

Agonizing sends its regards

[gusty mirage]

[sudden canyon]

rip AP

it was bugged for a while in EN you could use both AP and deadly.

[thorny pond]

Yep. That was our scaling factor in legion

Don’t shoot me for using the “s” word Whispyr

[sudden canyon]

my assassination set is still like 500 dps behind my sub set. is it cause my haste is low. ~18%

[limber lion]

No

[thorny pond]

If you have EoNs good luck catching your sub sim

[balmy condor]

[sudden canyon]

oh

i got 2 lol

aye just logged in

[limber lion]

Guess how much haste I have

[sudden canyon]

how many weeks has it been since 9.1? finally got it

[limber lion]

Grats

[sudden canyon]

15%

[limber lion]

8%

[thorny pond]

It’s kinda irrelevant
Sub is a higher simming spec before externals are involved

[limber lion]

:(

[thorny pond]

Since your toon likely uses the same gear for both or similar, you’re not going to catch it really

[arctic venture]

40% crit is not to high?

[sudden canyon]

its similar gear. but yea i dont have alot of my mythic gear rn is the early versa stuff. none of the crist/haste stuff from later bosses cause im not there yet 😦

[limber lion]

It's kinda low

You need more

[alpine latch]

I was shocked that my Outlaw (without a 252 weapon) actually sims a bit higher than my Sin

[arctic venture]

really?

[limber lion]

Yes...

[alpine latch]

Yeah, with crit tea I'm at 47% crit

[limber lion]

I mean

Sim yourself

[balmy condor]

Wait, no joke?

[alpine latch]

Frost set makes crit > *

In most circumstances

[limber lion]

we don't joke around in here

[sudden canyon]

this isn my sin set rn. i guess it 15% haste i forgot i had tea up

[alpine latch]

Is that to me or Whispyr?

Thank god

[balmy condor]

I only have 40% crit cev

[limber lion]

Only very serious gamers

You're also a sub player

L

[balmy condor]

Minor details

[alpine latch]

Every time Cev responds to me, I feel like my dad just told me he's not mad but he's disappointed and expected me to do better.

[limber lion]

Except I don't have any expectations.

[balmy condor]

Except perfection

[limber lion]

We live in a world of suffering and pain

[balmy condor]

Aight that took a turn

[limber lion]

[glass tulip]

Wheres the lie tho

[limber lion]

This aint 2 truths and a lie, son

[balmy condor]

“We live”

When we Just out here surviving

[glass tulip]

sorry dad

[balmy condor]

💀

[visual prairie]

high effort memeing

[arctic venture]

damn I miss shadowcraft website.

that was really cool.

and easier.

[balmy condor]

Shadowcraft is literally just worse Raidbots

[visual prairie]

i disagree that it was easier

[arctic venture]

yes, it is.

BUT, was way to easier to figure out.

levels and upgrades.

[balmy condor]

I don’t see how

But you do you

[arctic venture]

like, I remember to set my char and he was giving all items and dps increase .

[balmy condor]

So droptimizer

[obtuse robin]

[sudden canyon]

is CT used for the on hit dmg or just to refresh the bleed

[sinful cradle]

Refresh bleed

[sudden canyon]

nice bell curve

[balmy condor]

Those are words

I was promised a curve

[vestal wren]

that statistic is actually quite good

[arctic venture]

Damn u right.

[balmy condor]

[obtuse robin]

[heavy forge]

Hey ! I have a question on sylv MM plz, I'm getting PI on vendettas, should I always delay flag to match it or not ?

on P3 mostly, on P1 I can without loosing anything

[strange python]

What am i missing here boys https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2YhzLLtpk7mMANX948A7sS

think i should be pushing over 12k at this point

[spice spire]

Trying obedience instead of dashing plus theo

[proper sage]

I miss spreadsheets

Was so much easier to figure out than raidbots

[gusty mirage]

[obtuse robin]

yea i dont use raidbots i wait for whyspr to release his spreadsheets

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9sCpyWPzYmLSV1VE4TWsoF

I always sim lower but it’s a bit of an increase and should put you where you need to be

Obedience > dashing for you

Really only a 20 increase

[brazen zodiac]

lmfaooo

sup black

[obtuse robin]

yurr

[alpine latch]

I miss AskMrRobot

Everyone run!

I set up us the bomb

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Y tho

We certainly live in a society

[alpine latch]

lol

AMR was okay-ish for the time. Back then there wasn't a ton of options for the average user who didn't know shit about shit

There also wasn't the gear complexity that got added from m+

[balmy condor]

I heard you ordered an ass whooping to go

[spice spire]

You can whoop mine papi

[alpine latch]

Don't threaten me with a good time

[oak sky]

fuck the vault 🙂

[spice spire]

GG go next son

[oak sky]

might not be a next this week

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

might be next next week

[spice spire]

[primal egret]

" Is it worth finishing at less than max-1 cp?
A: No. It is worth casting ruptures on dying targets (around 4-5 seconds) for energy if you are not overflowing in it already, but do not finish at less than the normal limit. We do not clip a low CP finisher at the end of shiv/flagellation either."

do i just over cap with mutilate if garrote doesn't need to be refreshed?

[gusty mirage]

like if you're at 2 or 3 cp?

yeah you just mutilate because we don't play around seal fate procs

[lethal saffron]

does shiv increase sepsis damage

asking for a friend

[alpine latch]

Look at this guy who's got friends...

[oak sky]

yeah

makes the opener weird as hell i think

[primal egret]

like 4 combo points. if im understanding correctly this is saying its better to send a 5 cb finisher and covercap

[gusty mirage]

you just finish at 4

assuming you're not playing deeper stratagem

[primal egret]

ya vigor

[gusty mirage]

yeah you just finish at 4

[primal egret]

okay ya it seemed weird to me i must not be understanding something

very new to rogue and sin

[gusty mirage]

no worries, yeah you always finish at either max or one less than max combo points

[spice spire]

The wording is to finish at less than max - 1, so three or less.

Though the wording is oddly specific it’s not plain language

Which is what you want when learning a new spec/class

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's to battle the people who ask "should I finish at 2-3 before flag ends"

[primal egret]

ahh okay ya that makes sense to me now

[gusty adder]

which soulbind for m+ as vent again?=

[primal egret]

thanks for clarifying

[gusty mirage]

theo

[spice spire]

Oh I know, but I could also see the confusion

[alpine latch]

Theo for both ST and m+

[gusty mirage]

triple potency

[spice spire]

Better to be specific and have people ask the question than vague and people do wrong

[primal egret]

100%

[gusty adder]

tytyty

And would you run Obedience or Zoldyck for a 21 this week?

fortified

[inland hull]

I thought this week was Tyrannical

[gusty adder]

not in EU

[inland hull]

And I skipped where it said "21" so I'm out of my depth

[gusty adder]

oh wait - we still in last week time

[oak sky]

its inspiring quaking in NA

tyran

[spice spire]

Glad I inspire you king

[oak sky]

can you inspire my loot table?

[gusty adder]

hehe aye - stil llast week timezone here in EU tho

[spice spire]

No shot

[oak sky]

yeah you guys are fortified, either leggo should be fine really

zoldyck is better aoe obedience is better prio/st

[spice spire]

Also depends on the mythic

[gusty adder]

DoS

[spice spire]

I’d think Zoldyck

[oak sky]

dos either is fine tbh

[spice spire]

Because of the fatty aoe bleeds

[oak sky]

just take what your group or team needs

[spice spire]

But really either will do

[gusty adder]

Aight - ill stick to Zold then - only just crafted Obedience

Obedience does sim a bit higher tho

[alpine latch]

If it sims higher, why not just use that?

Don't let your dreams be memes.

[oak sky]

sometimes your team already has a lot of st/prio so you going aoe would actually speed up the key

comfort can be a factor, like people that are still running vigor

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I don't run MFD

[oak sky]

exactly

[alpine latch]

The added ability to fuck it up isn't worth the ~80 extra damage

[gusty mirage]

wut

how would you fuck it up

you use it on CD unless flag is coming up within 15s

[alpine latch]

Don't underestimate my ability to fuck something up sir

I'll find a way

[gusty mirage]

Don't underestimate my confidence in you to perform sir

[spice spire]

It’s the fifth button conundrum

Do I use my thumb? Don’t think that’s the okay chief

[alpine latch]

Woah woah woah, I only signed up for 3 buttons

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire I'm mad at you for making me work on that god forsaken spreadsheet

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

oh just play frost mage

blizzard, frozen orb, ice lance

done

[spice spire]

It was literally five minutes and done

Nothing that bad

[gusty mirage]

yeah but I have to do tazavesh now

because I have it open

so I hate you

[spice spire]

Or no

[alpine latch]

Title of your sex tape?

[spice spire]

You’re being generous king