true
#assassination
slow oriole
Probably, although there are a couple of cov leggos, that dont do anything in ST
limber lion
Yeah that's true
I'm always for adding new legendaries/powers for niche situations, but tying them to your covenant is kinda yikers to me
whole mason
For the 4p, how to make a dot expire faster while it is always to be refreshed
balmy condor
For the 4p, how to make a dot expire faster while it is always to be refreshed
Your guess is as good as mine
soft shale
i think it will just make the tick rate double
limber lion
i think it will just make the tick rate double
It literally says "bleeds expire faster"
so it's likely that it'll halve the duration as well
soft shale
no i mean with deadly poison doth
limber lion
wut
soft shale
i could make the dot just also have half duration but it would not matter
slow marsh
soft shale
wait didnt he just talk about the always refreseable dot
limber lion
i could make the dot just also have half duration but it would not matter
But yeah, it would matter though on fights where you don't have close to perfect uptime on the boss
Or with multiple targets
soft shale
haha yea that would be sad
poisoned knife to the rescue
for that sweet deadly poison dmg
soft shale
making deadly proc instant was something interesting they did
but kinda made deadly into a weak ass dot
slow marsh
Yeah
We just aren't really the dot spec people think we are atm. Love that they seem to want to steer us back to that direction but we either need our dots to do real damage or have a payoff such as winds of winter
limber lion
I wish we were a proper dot class. I've never been a big fan of the Envenom spammeroo
I'd enjoy it much more if Envenom was the shitty filler it's supposed to be
But eh
slow marsh
Yeah well soon enough we will do both
Spam CT every 4.5s to apply dot instead of spam envenom
soft shale
yea funny if deathspike was not shite necro doomblade would be kinda neat
dot spec
yea the move to instant poison being so much of the dmg has kneecaped a lot of things
same with envenom
strange python
What do you guys think of tier bonusses next patch?
velvet robin
hey guys ive just picked up sin rogue and im struggling to find an aoe rotation. does anyone know what the rotation/prio is and could help me out
strange python
oak sky
hey guys ive just picked up sin rogue and im struggling to find an aoe rotation....
like an aoe rotation for aoe raid fights or m+?
velvet robin
for m+ @oak sky . ive kinda made peace with the fact sin rogue is more of a ST monster but sometimes it feels a bit meh
oak sky
its pretty decent in m+
you want to open with your subterfuge garrotes
then if you dont have snd you apply that
then ct
then you just put up as many ruptures as possible
shiv on cd or on a prio mob, and use vendetta/flag on prio mobs if possible
velvet robin
maybe its because im 240 ilvl but i seem to be able to hit maybe 15k on aoe on a decent pack
and thats with vanish and fresh sub garrotes
oak sky
yeah vanish is fine
velvet robin
i prio snd-ct-rupture and if a prio mob needs burning down he eat 2 envenoms in shiv window
oak sky
vanish you just kinda use when it feels right to use
limber lion
Just save it for the silences/iron wire procs.
But Assassination doesn't really have high burst on packs
oak sky
its good for interrupts, can be good for damage every once in a while
limber lion
It's all about consistency throughout every pack
strange python
Open 4x target garrote (subterfuge) Fan of knives is your filler, apply ruptures 5pt on long living mobs, keep Crimson Tempest dot up and furtherly envenom the prio mob.
limber lion
its good for interrupts, can be good for damage every once in a while
Wouldn't recommend it almost ever
oak sky
2 minute boss
limber lion
It's not as grandeur as you'd think
oak sky
or whatever
limber lion
You would use it on boss of course
But on packs there's not much reason to
You're better off doing something else for those 4 gcds
oak sky
sometimes on a scary pull ill use it on a prio mob and then to interrupt too more but thats like it
normally its just the silences
limber lion
i prio snd-ct-rupture and if a prio mob needs burning down he eat 2 envenoms in ...
That's fine, just slam Shiv on cooldown as well. Or if there's a prio mob, just toss it on him
strange python
Depends if the mobs live long enough
limber lion
Don't need to get a certain number of Envenoms in
Just slam it
Just make sure to keep SnD up throughout the entire dungeon with Envenom
velvet robin
i more envenom during the shiv window for the damage then continue putting bleeds on everything
limber lion
And by saving combo points from previous packs to always start the pack by using SnD from stealth
So you don't have to press it during the pack
limber lion
i more envenom during the shiv window for the damage then continue putting bleed...
Yeah stop doing that
You just use Shiv and then continue reapplying bleeds
velvet robin
alright
limber lion
You don't go full Envenom-mode when you use Shiv
oak sky
if shiv is on a prio mob its ok to throw some in
limber lion
Only if you're hitting a prio mob that needs to die
But if you're looking to do overall damage, there is no point
oak sky
m+ is super variable so most things are situational
limber lion
You pretty much only use Envenom to maintain SnD and on mobs that are dying
hollow river
Unless all targets have all bleeds
velvet robin
which rarely happens 😛 you end up going back and re applying right?
hollow river
Yep
hollow river
But if the mobs time til death is low
Could use envenom or a low cp rupture
Depending on how much energy you have/how long it will take to get to next pack
velvet robin
Also as a vent what lego would you recommend. i havent got many legos as ive just basically started playing him so i havent had time to test them all out yet
limber lion
Zoldyck or Obedience.
Seliathan plays Obedience on Tyrannical weeks and Zoldyck on Fortified weeks.
Do what you will with that information
A lot of people just stick to one legendary
Either Obe or Zold
It's a matter of preference and what kind of damage you're looking to do
velvet robin
Thanks for the tips 😄 i kind of thought doing 15s with friends that are super geared would make zoldyck almost useless as mobs and bosses die fairly quick
limber lion
That's not true though
If a mob lives for 10s, you still get the full 30% execute from it
And more often than not classes are very frontloaded and burst heavy
So they burst the first 50-80% of the hp down quickly and then the damage slows down
Which means more value for Zoldyck
Just because things die quickly doesn't mean it's a bad thing for Zoldyck
If a mob is alive for 100 seconds and you execute for 30 seconds, it's 30%
If a mob is alive for 10 seconds and you get execute for 3 seconds, it's still 30%
velvet robin
i'll have to give zoldyck a go as soon as i can grab that legendary and see how it plays out
soft shale
zoldyck does get killed fast if you play with a warrior dps and other execute classes
then make the informed pick of obed or other leggo if needed
limber lion
Yeh
soft shale
but you can always talk if you have a team
velvet robin
yeah i play with a fury warrior sometimes 2 and surv hunter
limber lion
What matters more is what kind of damage your team does
strange python
Omegalulw
soft shale
damage profiles are some of the most important things to talk about
limber lion
Is it frontloaded or execute-loaded
spark scaffold
In the obedience vs zoldyck case doesn't it matter also that if a pack lasts 30 seconds obe buff will be up most of it but if it lasts 1 min zoldyck catches up since the obedience value is same for 1 min and 30 sec aswell
limber lion
Ye
spark scaffold
So it makes a lot of sense what you said a bit up, obe on tyra and zoldyck on forti
limber lion
At the end of the day they perform very similarly so you just need to pick one and see how it feels and how you do
There's plenty of very very high r.io assa players who only play Obe
And players who only play Zoldyck
spark scaffold
I just wish they gave assa some sort of aoe for 9.2
Tier set is single target and with sub set being aoe aswell difference is only getting bigger
limber lion
We do have Deathspike :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
vestal wren
deathspike 
strange python
Deathspikes would be cool if they were attached to fan of knives tho.
Spread to all 😆
soft shale
deathspike secret op in pvp
no one will expect the secret tech of exsang vendetta assa
drifting cosmos
do you lose your current io when you switch fraction/server?
drifting cosmos
oh that's an improvement i guess, i remembered it was wiped clean in previous patches
thanks
shut garnet
limber lion
oh that's an improvement i guess, i remembered it was wiped clean in previous pa...
It gets reset with every major patch, but changing factions/server etc. won't affect it.
It will be reset in 9.2 whenever that launches.
thorny pond
Plenty of time to get title
grim jay
I mean there is a decent amount of people using dashing scoundrel in m+ aswell 😄
brazen zodiac
Had to clean my keyboard because I spilled coke on it
I bet that shit gonna work just fine like it brand new too
But I drop a hot dog with spicy mustard and ketchup and I lose half keyboard):<
viral locust
But I drop a hot dog with spicy mustard and ketchup and I lose half keyboard):<
Was it worth the spicy mustard tho?
burnt latch
!defensive
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz
thorny pond
Was it worth the spicy mustard tho?
Always
brazen zodiac
Was it worth the spicy mustard tho?
Absolutely
viscid spear
What, no onions and sauerkraut?
glad siren
Gtfo
torpid crag
I have a really dumb question that might be the answer to a problem I've had for weeks now
Is the rank of the shards relevant for the damage of the set?
cobalt pelican
yes, based on the lowest shard of the set
torpid crag
I constantly do like 60% of the damage other people do with winds of winter, even if it has the same amount of hits and all the other spells are perfectly fine
cobalt pelican
so if you have 5/5/1 on your set you are doing tier 1 set damage which is poop butt
torpid crag
Okie, one second
I just did this test half an hour ago
284k Winds
Other people have 500-600k in a similar length fight
fallen arch
Ambush opener alert
limber lion
There's quite a few things
torpid crag
I didn't follow a proper opener
limber lion
Your wind set is not r5
limber lion
Hana log review
limber lion
wonder what people think whenever they look at my profile
what a giga chad revolutionizing the meta
limber lion
That's the thing
It's not a troll
This is 5head giga universebrain dps 100 parse tactics right here
viscid spear
Clearly Iron Wire is the mvp here
subtle tundra
and i though i should try and parse hc
thats the nine hc.
3.4k more dps than 2nd place
limber lion
Yeh it's disgusting
dawn ivy
i gave up trying to get any parses this tier
probably forever until they fully remove externals
im praying they recognize this issue going into 10.0
small things are fine like mages can take that silly 5% crit talent who fuckin cares
fallen arch
and i though i should try and parse hc
21 externals? 
dawn ivy
but having massive swinging externals like we have this expac is just a monster of a problem
fallen arch
When parsing is the most important thing in the game for you, it is yes
limber lion
Well it wasn't this bad the first few months of the patch
It's only just recently turned into external hell
Just a few weeks before 9.1.5 and especially in 9.1.5 with the covenant swapping
fallen arch
I mean, isn’t parsing something to keep us busy till next patch
subtle tundra
i would try to parse if i had any chance lol
dawn ivy
i got into my giga guild JUST in time for parsing to be impossible, thank all that is holy
subtle tundra
its the first tier i dont easily get 99s
limber lion
I pretty much got all of my parses the first few weeks
But pushing for rank at this point is pointless
Now the page is shiny, but the ranks keep dropping harder and harder
But then again, I don't play the game as actively anymore either so there's that :P
If you want to parse you should look to do it the first few weeks of the patch
It gets quite tragic after a while
subtle tundra
If you want to parse you should look to do it the first few weeks of the patch
cant when loot was so polarizing at the start of the patch
limber lion
Sure you could have
subtle tundra
no tier set for 3 weeks, finally get it and upgrade then frost becomes bis instead
🙂
limber lion
Yeah well most people were in the same boat
Where they got to r5 unholy the same week frost was buffed
The frost gangers were a rare breed
limber lion
Neither did many others
2 weeks was pretty normal for many
2 weeks of no shard set and getting it the third week
subtle tundra
i was simming 8.5k when the other rogue in my guild was simming 9.5k-10k
and that was when i had the set
limber lion
yikes
fallen arch
If you want to parse you should look to do it the first few weeks of the patch
This tier you did have to get pretty lucky with shards to make that happen too
limber lion
This tier you did have to get pretty lucky with shards to make that happen too
I disagree
Most people had their tier sets and shards on third week
fallen arch
Most people
limber lion
You didn't have to get everything handed to you the very first week to parse
fallen arch
Ok true
timid cloud
Yeah we like flip flopped back & forth a lot between unholy & frost being good on sims, I think a lot of people maxed out unholy early on because of it.
limber lion
Yes we did
timid cloud
Was kinda unfortunate too, when they were like oh we’re gutting all the gems! Then blizzard took it back, really unclear at the start kinda.
2nd Rogue has better gem setup than my 1st one who I just was able to play the other day. Bit of a struggle with Unholy Gems in comparison to Frost.
stray mural
I haven’t played my rogue in weeks simply because the only meaningful content I can do is: pug +20’s for rating OR browse the local Thrall guild listings
I feel terrible
limber lion
Yeh, WoW is a pretty seasonal game
timid cloud
I’d just pug heroic / normal & do 20’s for rating.
stray mural
It’s like I got 3/10m, struggled for two months, and gave up trying to beat Soulrender and Remnant.
timid cloud
I mean you could dabble into PvP or level up other covenants, with WoW you gotta make your own content sometimes.
limber lion
I'd just play a different game
stray mural
PvP is something I did last season and I peaked at 1800 playing sub. I never had a consistent partner so I struggled immensely. Decided to never do it again without a buddy.
slow marsh
Yeah we like flip flopped back & forth a lot between unholy & frost being good o...
Cuz nobody knew about the frost shard tech until I started tugging on the "what if we pair it with dashing" thread
and by then people already had UH ranked to 3 or 4
timid cloud
Sometimes I treat myself & say “You know, I’ve been wanting X item for mog for a new mog. I’m going to go get it.”
limber lion
Cuz nobody knew about the frost shard tech until I started tugging on the "what ...
That's not true
timid cloud
Yeah. I just went Unholy at that point too. Real bummer.
limber lion
Frost set got 40% buffed
sonic schooner
That and the buff & "bug fix" of frost
limber lion
over night
The sims and Dashing have nothing to do with it
Dashing pushed it ahead slightly
But it's not the reason it was good
It was because it was IMMENSILY buffed after they fucked up the unholy shard nerf
slow marsh
dashing frost was already better before the buff
nerd
the buff just made the gap even bigger
slow marsh
I don't need to, the people who were there know
sonic schooner
Let's giga buff frost and blood and giga nerf unholy 4head
slow marsh
It's all good tho
slow marsh
😛
timid cloud
timid cloud
limber lion
actual dot class
gusty mirage
you mean you don't appreciate a 5k envenom being a big chunk of our damage? 
stray mural
Look at that CT damage 👌
gusty mirage
@limber lion I think that's why playing assa in m+ feels so good because by the end of the dungeon bleeds and poisons are the majority of our damage
limber lion
Rightfully so
crystal vault
How does winds of winter work? Its just ST and hits my target? if so, i have to make sure when it ends whats my current target
gusty mirage
it hits the last target you crit
and if that's not available it picks the new target iirc
limber lion
and if that's not available it picks the new target iirc
Incorrect
If the target is not available, the proc never happens
spice spire
It’s great 🙂
gusty mirage
I've had it proc on a target I had selected in korthia before
so idk
stealthing up to a mob and it just pulls it for me
timid cloud
I wish it did that.
That way sometimes you wouldn’t have to PK to force it’s targeting.
So it still goes off.
gusty mirage
That way sometimes you wouldn’t have to PK to force it’s targeting.
ye it pulling for me happened sometimes and most of the time it didn't
it's weird
slow marsh
this the shit we want to see
i see no envenom
limber lion
As it should be
viral locust
No doomblade dot, smh
slow marsh
So weird being horde now
plain onyx
is theotar with crit tea still better than nadjia in raids ?
slow marsh
Yes but it's close neough you can use whichever tbh
slow marsh
idk if i can deal with that showers bit but yeah def feel dirty
like standing in org
so much dirt
gusty mirage
oh sweet child
go spend an afternoon getting it
its actually some of the best content in the game
slow marsh
i've messed around with it a tad. maybe i will
i need new mog stuff since swapping changed like half my stuff
glass tulip
oh you swapped horde? nice!
slow marsh
LMAO
glass tulip
never been there, seems gross
limber lion
I've seen what the other class halls are like
and the rogue one is by far one of the worst
I guess it's thematic that rogues are in sewers
but it's so lazy in design
literally just one open area, a treasury and a place for training dummies
glass tulip
I wouldve picked the back part of a bar
gusty mirage
the rogue class hall is fucking dogshit
I thought it was cool 
go look at the shaman one
limber lion
Like Warrior's get Skyhold
gusty mirage
its the size of the back room of the rogue hall
limber lion
Druid's get the Grove
gusty mirage
yeah grove is probably the best imo
limber lion
Mage's get the whatever, still cool
sour wraith
Could've been ravenholdt
limber lion
yeh but I reckon it could have used a little bit more time and effort
sour wraith
gusty mirage
Could've been ravenholdt
it should've been
but they just moved the important NPCs and stuck them into the sewer
gusty mirage
yeh but I reckon it could have used a little bit more time and effort
for rogue?
no chance
slow marsh
^
gusty mirage
devs forget we exist until like 2 weeks before a patch launches
slow marsh
imagine investing in rogue
gusty mirage
"Oh shit we promised them new talents, hurry copy and paste alacrity everywhere"
limber lion
devs forget we exist until like 2 weeks before a patch launches
before an expansion launches
sharp zodiac
i need new mog stuff since swapping changed like half my stuff
You abandoned the Alliance cause 😳
limber lion
slow marsh
they only remember us when pvpers cry about MA being broken or see we get an 11% leggo
gusty mirage
remember when we were getting a cool crimson vial mechanic?
and they nerfed it because the buffs were supposed to be somewhat interesting/impactful?
slow marsh
You abandoned the Alliance cause 😳
yeah i had to change guilds cuz schedule so figured i may as well go all out
sharp zodiac
yeah i had to change guilds cuz schedule so figured i may as well go all out
I’m gunna puke
limber lion
But to be honest I think it's unfair to say that our legendaries/conduits are bad when compared to stuff like fire mages
gusty mirage
we ended up with a nerfed CV and nothing else
limber lion
Because we're so overtuned with aurabuffs
gusty mirage
looking at these horde mogs
go look at the antorus pvp mog
and tell me that alliance mogs "look cool"
slow marsh
CEV I WAS JUST JOKING AROUND BUD CALM DOWN
limber lion
go look at the antorus pvp mog
Ngl, the Elite Tomb of Sargeras set is insane
And I'm so sad I can't have it
It's the perfect edgelord set
slow marsh
im not a fan of the dashing mog idk
limber lion
im not a fan of the dashing mog idk
I used to rock the dashing hat + chestplate for the longest time
I love how the Dashing chest clips through tabards
slow marsh
ahhhhh
i see now
yeah idk i don't like how so much of the horde stuff is like bones
like i get that orcs and trolls are a thing
sharp zodiac
How we feeling about the tier set for us next patch for mog what’s the consensus
I fuck with the hood
limber lion
I like it
slow marsh
the hood is bis
slow marsh
the shoulders to me are meh
limber lion
Legitimately think it's one of the better ones
gusty mirage
that's all I need to say
slow marsh
but it will have pieces that get used for a long time
mostly hood
and if they can get gold/black variation in game to look as clean as the artwork
sharp zodiac
You don’t like the gold and black in the SoD set?
limber lion
and if they can get gold/black variation in game to look as clean as the artwork
This is as close to a gold/black variation you're gonna get
limber lion
sharp zodiac
Man that hood is GOAT’d
limber lion
Brown-blue, Grey-grey, silver-teal, gold/white-red/black, silver-red, white/gold
yeah the white one looks insane
slow marsh
that reminds me
limber lion
I fuck with it
sharp zodiac
So mythic is white/gold?
limber lion
This is as close to a gold/black variation you're gonna get
this is mythic
gusty mirage
https://www.wowhead.com/news/leather-broker-themed-transmog-set-in-patch-9-2-325...
idk I like them
I wouldn't wear them
limber lion
https://www.wowhead.com/news/leather-broker-themed-transmog-set-in-patch-9-2-325...
It's like the sets they added to Korthia
gusty mirage
but I think they're neat
slow marsh
i can appreciate that they're adding more than one mog set
gusty mirage
like the leather one w/o helm would be sick
gusty mirage
Never gonna get them
I did korthia religiously for like 3 months
I'm at like
3/9
limber lion
and maybe some parts get used idk
Yeah, not a big fan of the helm and shoulders, everything else is neat
limber lion
3/9
Yuuuup preeeetty bad
Good thing it looks like shit so it doesn't feel bad to just skip it
gusty mirage
ye fr
slow marsh
I don't get why venth gets dresses without tunic options for them
sharp zodiac
At least we got the cool Tmog weapons too in 9.2
gusty mirage
I don't get why venth gets dresses without tunic options for them
you won't complete the set anyway
it's time gated behind RNG
gusty mirage
The recolor someone home made?
elite pvp set for tomb
limber lion
^ this one right here
hollow river
Oh the shit you can’t get anymore
limber lion
not available anymore
gusty mirage
correct
hollow river
Sad game is sad
hollow river
I missed out on everything ever
slow marsh
same
hollow river
Wow that is sick
gusty mirage
yeah but you skipped bfa right?
hollow river
I skipped every expansion
limber lion
bfa was rad
gusty mirage
it was okay
limber lion
had a lot of issues, but most of them got solved eventually
the game legitimately kept me hooked for quite a while
More than Shadowlands has
gusty mirage
I always found something to do in BFA
but in SL, I log in roll my tea and log off unless someone asks me to run keys or if I have a sale or raid
lol
hollow river
We’re gonna try reclearing first 6 Tuesday
gusty mirage
yeah we're trying to first 7
hollow river
Then back to prog week after Thanksgiving
gusty mirage
so we can get the one guy who doesn't have the guardian trink his trinket
I'm going to roll outlaw for painsmith to troll the DHs and monk 🙂
"can't trade it sorry, only 246 pox"
and just NEVER use it
it'll be great
hollow river
I just hope we can kill painsmith in that one night
gusty mirage
I just hope we can kill painsmith in that one night
you will
removing the balls from p1
makes it easy
hollow river
We haven’t seen it since prog
gusty mirage
wait you haven't seen the new spikes?
hollow river
We have I think we saw it after the new spikes
gusty mirage
yea then you'll be fine
no balls in p1 intermission means you'll have more brezzes avail going forward
hollow river
But like
keen garden
It's actually pretty ridiculous how much easier it is after the balls were taken out of p1
hollow river
Even first 5 in 3 hours for us
Used to be a challenge
And we’re gonna have a couple trials I think
gusty mirage
well I suppose if they're trialing for a guild on m sylv
they should be in theory good enough for reclear pain
lmao
gusty mirage
you'll be fine
it might take like 20 pulls but you'll kill it
dude this hpal I run keys with couldn't sniff p3 pain
after the nerf they're consistently in p3
hollow river
I'm glad ya'll are still enjoying the game
Barely man
Over 400 wipes on Sylvanas I’m ready to go
keen garden
I know kyrian is bad, but I want the xmog .. I see the sims want kleia but folks often pick mikanikos. Anyone able to say what's up wit that?
limber lion
Well you still manage to log in every day (?) so that's an achievement in itself
gusty mirage
I know kyrian is bad, but I want the xmog .. I see the sims want kleia but folks...
you talking about blood mallet?
hollow river
Definitely not every day
limber lion
I know kyrian is bad, but I want the xmog .. I see the sims want kleia but folks...
Go Mikanikos.
keen garden
yea bloodmallet/herodamage what have you
hollow river
I chill in here nearly everyday
keen garden
pretty new to assassin so leaning on that stuff
gusty mirage
yeah that's the isolated strength of the traits
hollow river
gusty mirage
check combinations to see what's actually better
kleia WAY down there
it's just the crit soulbind trait is really really good for assassination
when isolated from the rest of the picture
shell ivy
nadja fixed?
keen garden
Great thanks, it makes sense with kleia offering the defensive/utility bits that it'd be weaker
gusty mirage
nadja fixed?
yes
sharp zodiac
nadja fixed?
Yes check pins
sharp zodiac
Well you still manage to log in every day (?) so that's an achievement in itself
It’s like said earlier seasonal game. I actually like going hard for a few months of prog and reclears then slowing down until next patch. Keeps me wanting to play the game honestly
If I logged everyday looking for something to do I would hate the game for sure
Idk how people can have like 8 Alts and get a great vault for them every week. That’s just bananaland to me
limber lion
It’s like said earlier seasonal game. I actually like going hard for a few month...
I haven't played the game in 3 months personally
Got bored pretty quickly after progression
And that's good because it allows me to do irl stuff as well instead of spending all of my time on the computer grinding meaningless content
sharp zodiac
Yea but you’re probably pretty excited to get back it come next patch
limber lion
Buuut it does suck whenever I do have free time because I sincerely do not want to log into WoW
And I'd rather stare at my desktop
slow marsh
Idk how people can have like 8 Alts and get a great vault for them every week. T...
Yeah i'm wanting to level an alt to have if needed but every time I see level 1 I just exit game
limber lion
And draw boxes with my cursor
keen garden
That, this period of "You don't HAVE to play the game" is one of my favorite times to be playing
sharp zodiac
Play other games 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Like I’m a little salty we didn’t get PTR launch this week and need to wait until the week after thanksgiving
Americans out here taking a whole week off
hollow river
Yeah i'm wanting to level an alt to have if needed but every time I see level 1 ...
Could try making gold to use for tokens and use those tokens for buying lvl boosts
That’s what I’ve been grinding gold for
hollow river
Can be hard getting into boosts as horde tbh
slow marsh
at least they exist
limber lion
Boosting is definitely a great way to spend time on WoW
hollow river
I wish NA had the amount of boosts going as EU
gusty mirage
NA does have a surprising amount of boosts going
just gotta find the communities doing them
hollow river
Have you seen EU?
slow marsh
Eu has more players
gusty mirage
well boosting is bigger in EU in general
gusty mirage
because of a larger player base and a large amount of "out of EU players" with money who play on EU
limber lion
Yeh, it's definitely pretty massive here
But I personally only boost the first few months of a patch because it's super lucrative
But it's not for everyone and usually requires pretty good credentials
But if you can and still want to play WoW on your downtime before 9.2, then I highly recommend boosting
hollow river
Yeah beginning of patch is even harder to get into
limber lion
It's just free gold
gusty mirage
It's just free gold
ye I'm building a small warchest for 9.2
slow marsh
i'm down to 100k i need to get on it
gusty mirage
it was a double dip for me anyway because I still needed embers for the blood set
limber lion
Yeah I was a squad leader in Dawn and pretty much got to pick and choose which runs to lead.
SoD was a pretty rough raid to lead though ngl
tribal mauve
Just do /Rand to get golds, then you dont have to boost
gusty mirage
yea small margins of error early on
even now RL has to plead with people to do the runes on fatescribe lol
cuz everyone goes in to GIGA parse instead of just having a smooth and quick run
limber lion
Fatescribe runes, Painsmith, Tarragrue, KT, Sylv
It was a shit show
I have around 3 mil gold on my main, so that's enough to maintain game time on my account and buy consumables/legendary bases whenever needed
But there's some people who do an absurd amount of boosts/advertising and literally have several guild banks full of gold
We're talking hundreds of millions of gold
slow marsh
yeah i want to get to that point where i just have perma gametime and can buy whatever leggo stuff i need without feeling punched in the gut for it
being able to get boes in the first month would be cool too but unlikely
gusty mirage
the boes this tier were significantly less expensive than previous tier
sharp zodiac
Interested where the BOEs will be next patch. 5 tier pieces and waist is taken by leggo
And another slot taken by leggo too
slow marsh
would love rings/neck boes
limber lion
Interested where the BOEs will be next patch. 5 tier pieces and waist is taken b...
4 tier pieces
slow marsh
i got what he meant i think
limber lion
Yes, but saying that 5 slots are taken by tier pieces is not accurate
slow marsh
yeah there's 5 slots but you will only equip 4
sharp zodiac
Ofc
slow marsh
unless it's good stats i guess then why not but yeah
limber lion
So you can swap out one of the pieces for a chunky m+ great vault piece
late birch
Anyone know why I get huge opener but Frost set decides to do 50k+- and when i fuck up my opener my frost goes 90k +-?
limber lion
Because you probably didn't crit with it
balmy condor
Imagine watching what your frost set crits for
slow marsh
imagine having combat text at all
balmy condor
Also true
late birch
true keep forgettiung it can crit
slow marsh
at least rwf will be more exciting next tier
sharp zodiac
Yes I can’t wait for the last 3 to have some wild bugs
slow marsh
at least they wont die in the first week xD
balmy condor
Tbh I’m ready for it to be less interesting
sharp zodiac
But if they make Anduin as hard as they say he is it’ll be really fun
slow marsh
anduin seems like lich king v2
balmy condor
They’ll all clear the first 8 and then afk until reset
Which basically makes it a race for 3 bosses
Much better
sharp zodiac
Think we can convince JPC to do a push-up per wipe?
late birch
Rogue play would be sick for next tier in race
thorny pond
We may get foreplay again
timber tiger
Y'all think dashing scoundrel will still be best without frost set next tier? Or will doomblade take the perch?
timber tiger
i mean, isn't that what i meant? maybe i worded it wrong but yes exactly that. Will dashing still be king or what do you think?
marble hemlock
oh sorry, i read that wrong, my bad ><
its doubtful
venthyr will be back to obedience most likely, or doomblade
and then it largely depends on the setbonus tuning and all the other changes that might be happening
its unlikely youll be able to get a more definitive answer on anything related to spec performance until 2-3weeks before the patch hits live
thorny pond
2pc working on all bleeds like BS and doomblade?
Obviously we don’t know
But do you think that’d move the needle?
fallen arch
2pc working on all bleeds like BS and doomblade?
It should right
golden basalt
it should but it also could not;D whitelisting is a thing
fallen arch
Imagine sbs bleeding out twice as fast, 2x infinity
limber lion
It used to
fallen arch
Wasn’t that what made torghast bugout?
limber lion
But it literally crashed the server
fallen arch
Ye
hollow river
they're adding mouse overs and mouse button bindings to the game finally
like in the default keybind UI
burnt latch
is anyone else here finding that theyre simming higher on sin than on sub? even without wf that seems really strange to me
glass tulip
are the last 3 getting delayed on mythic too?
I thought they were just not out on heroic week
then everything would open up on mythic week
thorny pond
is anyone else here finding that theyre simming higher on sin than on sub? even ...
Daggers have a lot to do with that as well as stat arrangements
sharp zodiac
are the last 3 getting delayed on mythic too?
No just on heroic
Full 11 will be out mythic week
glad siren
Sin I can parse 90s ... sub I'm a derp
burnt latch
Daggers have a lot to do with that as well as stat arrangements
yeah fair enough, sub would probs pull way ahead with daggers
theyre already really close
balmy condor
@marble hemlock how do I become good like you
gusty mirage
<@!210784027752398848> how do I become good like you
you listen to metal and have a cat named nova
that's his secret
late birch
Is precasting IQD still a thing on boss fights?
balmy condor
no
IQD buff gets removed if you swap trinkets
they fixed that early into 9.0.5 I think
late birch
ah
balmy condor
might've been late 9.0
late birch
ty
glad siren
I just wanna be like oxi when I grow up
glad siren
I hit 12.7k on a fight in a fluke accident... so I know I should be able to do things. Lol if only I could do that on purpose.
marble hemlock
<@!210784027752398848> how do I become good like you
balmy condor
limber lion
I hit 12.7k on a fight in a fluke accident... so I know I should be able to do t...
wut
balmy condor
you'll know it's the kill because I'll get 3 arrows in p3 and do no damage
limber lion
Mr. Shadowblade Whispyr, Wowhead/Method guide writer, rogue connoisseur and bowling pin-machine fixer-upper
You'll get it fo sho
oak sky
glad siren
wut
Someone posted a 16k parse the other day... I can't do that but 12.7 was my highest on heroic... I think it was the nine? Or soul render, I'll look when I get home. But I wish I could do that like... consistently. I didn't even know I was that high until fight was over
limber lion
Someone posted a 16k parse the other day... I can't do that but 12.7 was my high...
You're looking at the wrong numbers pal :p
balmy condor
limber lion
You should look at the parse, which is the colorful bit
glad siren
Tells me gear wise I should be doing better but still making mistakes. Probably a timing thing.. I'm pretty derpy
glad siren
It was a 99 parse I think
limber lion
Doing 9k on Sylvanas is giga good but doing 9k on Soulrender is yikes
Just keep that in mind :')
limber lion
I'm hitting 8.8-8.9 without pot/lust
Lmao that's easy shit then
full tendon
so frost set wont be a consideration at all
glad siren
My sylv kills are horrible. I don't think I've gotten over 80 parse on it
limber lion
Practice makes perfect
80 parse is still the top 20%
So it's definitely good
Not horrible
marble hemlock
@balmy condor idk, im green, youre orange, seems youre much better than me since color on disc correlates with parse color
sour wraith
members
balmy condor
sour wraith
and theorycrafters are our grey parsers xd
balmy condor
theorycrafter role doesn't actually do anything 
the role isn't even referenced in the permissions for #tc-research or #tc-updates
a relic of the past I guess
stray mural
My sylv kills are horrible. I don't think I've gotten over 80 parse on it
If it makes you feel any better my heroic sylv parse is like a 40 and I have no idea how to change it
balmy condor
If it makes you feel any better my heroic sylv parse is like a 40 and I have no ...
you can change it by doing more dps, which would increase your parse
stray mural
That’s a pretty wild theory I’ll have to try it
balmy condor
glad to help
glad siren
One of my problems is not holding cds on p3 cause they are up right away
stray mural
I thought my parse was always trash because SBS was ticking during her 99% reduction moments
glad siren
I think I get too anxious seeing the druids ahead of me. Lol
woeful meteor
Ask when you will bl
golden basalt
Maintaining alacrity during intermission is a fun lil minigame that will net you some extra dps
stray mural
I double checked myself it’s actually a 75 parse. Still, I could do better with my gear now.
glad siren
Isn't there a cloak cheese we can do?
limber lion
One of my problems is not holding cds on p3 cause they are up right away
But why would you hold?
I mean you'd only hold one or the other to sync them together with lust and whatever
But that's about it
Just send my guy, you're doing good
glad siren
Oh, ok I thought I was supposed to hold for lust on last platform. Ty sir.
Ceverion. You think this tier set without winds using so much crit that we'll be going back towards more haste?
limber lion
Definitely
limber lion
Oh, ok I thought I was supposed to hold for lust on last platform. Ty sir.
Yeah you would, but you can generally get like 3 Vendettas and 4 Flags off during p3, meaning you sync one Vend/Flag cast with lust and use the other 2/3 usages on whenever you can
sharp zodiac
Oh, ok I thought I was supposed to hold for lust on last platform. Ty sir.
I think most Rogues use CDs on the last sylv burn then your vendettas would usually be after the first veil on platform 2. after the immune veil on platform 3 and halfway through lust platform 4
glad siren
Ah okay tyvm both of you
opal berry
Im playing Necrolord ass for dungeons i should use the necro leggo right? and if so what do i craft it on?
glass tulip
got to 2nd boss in plaguefall and the healer left 
we had only had 3 deaths in a 22 and he just dc'd
but I was going sicko mode with uncapped CT
umbral sandal
How much does sin sim for you guys? For me it sims the worst out of the three rogue specs. Not sure why
umbral sandal
Thought I was the only one 
bleak sky
let's all publicly shame this man
balmy condor
@gusty mirage I'm hereby excommunicating you
slow marsh
Yo this new guild I joined doesn't have monk debuff or windfury
oak sky
no monk debuff?
glass tulip
F
slow marsh
Yeah kinda trolling
slow marsh
Sounds like they need to recruit a monk before 9.2 is more like it
balmy condor
I'm gonna miss you
slow marsh
But idk goal with this guild isn't even long term
oak sky
who cares about windfury tho ur chillin
slow marsh
Just wanted to get to horde and get out of old guild
slow marsh
Yeah windfury will be missed but not crazy
balmy condor
sometimes I still hear iceblades voice
oak sky
he calls me
balmy condor
shame he plays monk now
oak sky
slow marsh
I could never
balmy condor
really miss the guy
bleak sky
Yo this new guild I joined doesn't have monk debuff or windfury
did you leave alliance
slow marsh
dusk new dashing 
slow marsh
did you leave alliance
Yeah I left ally proudmoore and am on horde tich
oak sky
damn ur just like me
slow marsh
I feel like a real gamer now
oak sky
Agreon - Proudmoore died for this
slow marsh
Paved the way really
amber fossil
is WF going away?
amber fossil
whew, scured me
gusty mirage
let's all publicly shame this man
yeah imagine making multiple characters on the tournament realm
bleak sky
no
gusty mirage
bleak sky
just get new gearset 5head
gusty mirage
nah
slow marsh
yeah what a cheater
oak sky
@gusty mirage how far ru trying to go for great push?
gusty mirage
idk
oak sky
just for fun?
gusty mirage
just messing around
gusty mirage
just get new gearset 5head
need one orc one belf 🙂
bleak sky
you'll get used to itt
slow marsh
yeah i mean it's not like i was doing anything before
i just need to remember to slam it after my garrote not before
gusty mirage
tryin to convince the homies to go ally
bleak sky
4 dwarves 1 nelf or bust
slow marsh
why would you tho
gusty mirage
because having options is nice for a tournament
slow marsh
o
gusty mirage
you copy over a templated character w/ a covenant
slow marsh
o
bleak sky
you copy over a templated character w/ a covenant
I can swap between venthyr/necro and it works fine, the problem is swapping to kyr/nf, it just doesn't work
slow marsh
bro wait holy shit this other rogue in guild is trolling so hard
bleak sky
spill the tea ice
spark scaffold
Is frost set bad with doomblade?
spark scaffold
Ye ofc
bleak sky
ambush 
spark scaffold
I used to play that setup with EP instead of blindside when I didn't afford the soul cinders for dashing is why I'm asking
slow marsh
If you are set on using doomblade then play UH and take maim mangle triple pot
bleak sky
is this rogue in here ice
slow marsh
no
i checked already
and so i tried to like tell him i wanted to help him out and he could change a couple of gear/talent things around to get a huge increase in damage and he was having none of it
which makes sense i literally just joined yesterday
oak sky
how can he not know about frost set
slow marsh
He's using frost set
oak sky
oh
slow marsh
he's just not using dashing
bleak sky
which makes sense i literally just joined yesterday
it doesn't tho right
oak sky
whats your guild called
slow marsh
He said he simmed everything with all combinations and that's what it told him to go
oak sky
nvm i found it
slow marsh
So i linked him a sim done correctly showing him all the better options and he just hard ignored it
spark scaffold
Weird, for me at least BS always simms better with DS
Thought its same for everyone
bleak sky
He said he simmed everything with all combinations and that's what it told him t...
I was once in a guild that a warrior said he simmed "every combination possible" and passed on a 246 OWS
slow marsh
yike
bleak sky
no way you can trust the "I SIM TRUST"
slow marsh
yeah
thorny pond
Can always be a mongo and the sims will show you what you input
slow marsh
Yeah idk i'm a little sus of what i've gotten myself into. It's fine cuz like my goal was just to get out of where I was as cleanly as I could and this was like a 2 day turn around from app to xfer
GM said he's gonna be cycling out like 5 people soon ™️ to prep for 9.2 but i'm sus rn
probs gonna apply to be @oak sky rogue buddy or something idk
slow marsh
i'm memeing
oak sky
👍
thorny pond
Just take his spot mang
slow marsh
na
thorny pond
Dude will learn when he sees you doing real DPS and not gray parses
slow marsh
oh you're not talking about agreon lol
thorny pond
lmao no
slow marsh
yeah i'm already taking that guys spot + other rogue
slow marsh
It's just they got sylv to 45.1 this week so no use swapping out for new rogue that just got to sylv
well ngl i thought going from a 2.2k guild to a 1.1k guild would be an improvement but it seems like it's just the same
bleak sky
every single sim btw
slow marsh
just the 1.1k is more organized but still has the same thought process
oak sky
(its always basically the same)
bleak sky
and fewer attendance issues I guess
balmy condor
@slow marsh welcome to world 1kish
when I joined my world 1kish guild, I was instantly greeted by like 4 sim doubters
and 2 "we don't scale" clowns
and then I started raiding and the downtime memes started happening
this is the top tier of the community
imagine all the people who don't even raid heroic
oak sky
these are the 3% ers
drifting cloud
drifting cloud
sure but its kinda pointless to look at it like that
because then just clearing heroic makes you hardcore nerd or some bs
drifting cloud
donny was 2% and sylv is currently 1%
where are you getting that number
oak sky
oh i just checked wowhead idk if its entirely accurate
i know theres other places you can look
drifting cloud
oh like how many profiles have the achiev?
drifting cloud
but yeah kinda pointless, since it just includes the majority who dont even do that content
aotc is at 18%
oak sky
sanctum achievement is 35%
drifting cloud
and I think aotc isnt some kind of insane measurement 
since you can literally buy it for less than 1 legendary base
oak sky
i guess if bare minimum for raid content is first wing lfr about half of profiles raid
drifting cloud
mount collecting is harder than ce
oak sky
balmy condor
drifting cloud
you heard me
oak sky
you dropped your more time commitment
balmy condor
harder in time maybe
cause you have to run around and breath on 50 bosses every week
oak sky
balmy condor
the people who do like 8 old raids a week on 5 characters
actually stronger mental than any ce raider
balmy condor
1200 pulls on uu'nat ain't shit compared to mr 900 attempts at invincible
that's real mental fortitude
oak sky
true
balmy condor
I remember I wanted to get invincible just for the clout when I was a wee lad
ran through icc, was like okay yeah I can do this
ran through it again the next week, was like yeah this kinda blows
drifting cloud
oh actually the % on dataforazeroth are probably way accurate
balmy condor
3rd week I'm like okay fuck this I hate this
balmy condor
having to spend 30 minutes of my life flying to icc, then 30 minutes running through one shotting everything, and then getting nothing out of it
idk how casuals do it man
bronze pike
uu'nat
oak sky
dude i couldnt even stick to farming sha of anger
drifting cloud
so yeah 10% of people that have aotc also have ce I think thats a pretty okay number
bronze pike
hollllly moly
balmy condor
dude i couldnt even stick to farming sha of anger
same
and I love cloud serpents
but like
having to go to pandaria