assassination

[carmine dawn]

ok p3 is irrelevant anyway

[drifting cloud]

looks like this

[carmine dawn]

interesting

very cool kanye

im not memeing thats actually interesting

[gusty mirage]

wait sorry

got 2

[hollow escarp]

I did it multiple times in P1 and in P3, during lust on the same pull

[carmine dawn]

hes saying you either get it in p1 or p2

not both

[spice spire]

Yeah

I thought that was known

[hollow escarp]

[spice spire]

P3 is wild Wild West

[drifting cloud]

yeah news to me, but I didnt prog it and only got 2 kills on it

[spice spire]

I only know because my guild wiped a bajillion times

[gusty mirage]

[hollow escarp]

inner circle duty

[spice spire]

And I figured because I’d always get one or the other

[drifting cloud]

I think that duplicate is either oxi if youre 5 healing or someone is dead

apparently 4 heals and 20 alive it doesnt happen

[gusty mirage]

ye we were 5 healing

just checked it

[carmine dawn]

even more interesting

so is the fight meant to be 4 healed

[drifting cloud]

well I think they always "mean" to make fights 4 healed

they just fail alot

[carmine dawn]

lmao

[drifting cloud]

ah yes let me just 2 heal azshara and 6 heal guardian

everything else something inbetween

[carmine dawn]

ugh my guardian kill this week

wish we had another healer

cause that timer was so shit lmao he died right as 2mins were coming back up and the only one in the middle of burst was the boomkin

[drifting cloud]

yeah that has been my past 5 guardian kills

always dies at like 4:10 so Ive just went with 2 vendettas since forever

[spice spire]

Bad beat

[hollow escarp]

get more buyers

[gusty mirage]

ye carry me

[carmine dawn]

do you guys start optimizing differently when you have it on farm so well

and with buyers

like how does it change

[drifting cloud]

ok I lied a little but its close enough

we dont do sales

atleast not this tier

first time ive played bs/ds on it today aswell

feels so funny since ive not played the talent combo since august probably

[hollow escarp]

I've only played bs/ds on that boss

[carmine dawn]

yeah big same

[drifting cloud]

im like why the fuck is there 6 combo points

[carmine dawn]

i dont have any good guardian parses

[drifting cloud]

ah shit what do I do at 4

[carmine dawn]

might have to play outlaw

[drifting cloud]

[carmine dawn]

without a veinripper

or an edge of night

[hollow escarp]

my best is 10.7k dps

600 dps below sim

[carmine dawn]

on guardian?

[hollow escarp]

yes

[carmine dawn]

yeah same. 10.8

[hollow escarp]

well, on that kill monk and ret pala took the rogues spot in wft group

[carmine dawn]

i dont get WFT most times

just passed trial yesterday

[hollow escarp]

don't need wft to smash them

[carmine dawn]

i do need kill timers to not be shit tho

[sand plume]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[manic harness]

Is Doomblade generally pref on 2x target fights over Dashing?

[slow marsh]

not enough to matter

[manic harness]

I'm trying to decide what spec to do the final 4x bosses as

and raid lead at the same time

kinda hard as Sub lol

Assassination is....much easier to raid lead with

Haven't played it in a couple months though, so trying to gather info on what to make in case I want to switch back

[slow marsh]

dashing is the go-to for sin rn. obed has solid niche uses so that's also an option

[manic harness]

yeah I think I have most of the gear to make the frost set work

[fallow estuary]

is there value in pre-deadly shadows for sins?

Or is vanish with MA more worth in the opener to us

[drifting cloud]

it doesnt work

[slow marsh]

nope

[fallow estuary]

only works for sub?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[fallow estuary]

weird

[lofty gazelle]

Hey guys, I’m fairly new to assassin and just wanted to clarify that I make zoldyck’s for m+ over obedience for m+?

[slow marsh]

if it's your first leggo craft obed

if its purely for m+ zold

[lofty gazelle]

Awesome thanks

[ebon thorn]

soo

any raidbots pros tried simming dual leggos

[drifting cosmos]

so advanced, simming at least 4 months ahead

[grim hornet]

and just for the sake of speculation as we know nothing about tiersets

we don't even have sims for legion timewalking isn't it?

[warm drift]

For what reason would you sim double legos now?

[ebon thorn]

For

Fun

Game is about fun...

[warm drift]

Then do it urself

[grim hornet]

do it then 🙂

[ebon thorn]

all i do is /simc ctrl-c ctrl-v run simulation

[warm drift]

Then u have to wait until 9.2 i guess

[limber lion]

We need to know what the class sets do before doing sims. There's no point doing any 9.2 sims off of speculation yet.

Not even for funsies, as everything will change with class sets.

[keen mantle]

my marked for death and obedience sims like 200dps higher . is that a thing?

[golden basalt]

Yes

[solid venture]

anyone who is venthyr could link a raidbots sim? i just swapped from necro and started farming renown but im unsure what soulbind etc i need to take

[normal mist]

Pretty must everyone is going Theo due to Nadja bug

3 potency conduits

Flag/shiv/l.p in raid I believe

[grim hornet]

i was going theo despite nadja simming more cause i like it more for sylv prog, but that is an special case i think

[golden basalt]

Nadja dead, draven bad

[normal mist]

I was going Nadja just because xD

[golden basalt]

There is only Theo

[pallid bough]

What’s the bug?

Jk read pins

Kek

[normal mist]

The last thingy always gives vers

[misty holly]

They should change Deathspike Legendary to hit single target twice if there is no other target around. So it's not useless in raid.

I'm really sad i won't be able to play necro anymore if we're stuck doing a leg artifact

[spice spire]

Same

But then we’d need to find a replacement for sudden fractures

[misty holly]

sudden fractures would work the same, that just makes the dot tick twice.

Legendary shoots a second whole bone spike.

[spice spire]

Quad bleed gaming

[misty holly]

I don't mind being 1% behind Venthyr to play with the more fun powers.

But if legendary is included that will be more like 4 or 5% I think

and thats too much to ignore.

[golden basalt]

Necro legendary + zoldyck could be pretty fun to play in m+ next season

[misty holly]

So stuck going venthyr and having less fun at that point 😦

[grim hornet]

yesterday i started lvling necro to 80...

god i missed sbs...

i love flag also, but sbs is so much fun

[kind talon]

I think sbs is fun on assa in cleave and st

Cause it is more stuff to do on a pretty sleeper spec

But in aoe it’s pretty annoying

[misty holly]

Yeah its so good on Sin because our rotation is already slow, so having filler move for only 10 energy feels great.

With outlaw I bet its more frenetic.

[kind talon]

Ye

It’s quite an experience

[thorny pond]

It’s very quick

[kind talon]

Kyrian feels more smooth to me

For outlaw

[golden basalt]

Sbs outlaw in keys made my heart race, so much work for so little result

[thorny pond]

Every spec benefits from more CP expenditure in some way so kyrian usually feels good

[grim hornet]

if only it had better results... it was so much fun tbh

[kind talon]

ER always feels good to press but it’s just so bad on sin

So sad man

Sadge

Sadgers

[thorny pond]

Right. 14cp every 45sec for sin isn’t the same as it is for OL or sub

[kind talon]

Yeah that’s with RC tho

[thorny pond]

Which is fine, I’m glad it’s not busted for all 3 specs and there is variance

[kind talon]

I mean in general ER just feels good to me

[golden basalt]

I’m just scared I have to level night fae renown now in case it makes a crazy return in 9.2

[kind talon]

Leggo notwithstanding

[thorny pond]

Oh I gotcha. In general RC is what makes it feel good otherwise SBS is probably my fav and ER may be low as sepsis lol

[kind talon]

Idk I play with Mikanikos and that soulbind just gives me so much fun for some reason

I love getting that cdr

[thorny pond]

Mik always sims lower for my sin set than kleia

[kind talon]

Yeah

[thorny pond]

Like a lot

[drowsy parcel]

nothing can make me play night fae again

NOTHING

whens the winter queen raid

i want to nuke ardenweald from the sky

[thorny pond]

If we play duskwalker and Nf lego and CDR for vend is a tier set bonus you may

Pending AR working the same for sin

That’s my OL theory at least, they’ll have 100% AR uptime next patch

[grim hornet]

would love to see that :3

[misty holly]

Maybe enough players of all character classes will complain about the covenant legendary thing (since it seems to be an issue for a lot of them), and Ion will change it to ANY 2 legendaries. That's my hope.

[thorny pond]

It’d be something. No idea how it’ll shake out obviously but if you’re pressing AR every minute with NF Lego then it may be pretty big

[thorny pond]

That’d be a balancing nightmare

[misty holly]

Using like Zoldyk and Doomblade sounds fun. Venthyr can keep their dashing + obedience.

[misty holly]

Thing is, enough covenant legos are bad right now it's already a balancing nightmare.

Like half the covenants will be unplayable

Even more so than they are right now

[grim hornet]

but its easier to balance 4 leggos per class than a shitton

not unplayable, but there will be clear winners, that's true

[solid venture]

delete venthyr boomkins

[thorny pond]

It would probably be easier to tune those up than try to predict and sim every combo for every spec with tier sets and whatever else added powers we get

[grim hornet]

w/e

now that im thinking about it

last patch

just make it free

break the game

go next xpac

[thorny pond]

Hopefully
I’m alting boomkin just in case

[grim hornet]

make everyone happy so game does not die 😄

for me it's gonna be warrior

i can't get out of melee ape land

[thorny pond]

Full time reck venth

[grim hornet]

seems so

[thorny pond]

Boomkins either get legos nerfed then are whatever or they get their base kit nerfed and are super average out of rav

[grim hornet]

Elysian might + enduring blow seems appealing also

[spice spire]

Smart and based

[thorny pond]

My guild has 2 ferals and one crit chicken

[spice spire]

Why are your boomkin melee king?

[thorny pond]

Though if my ferals stay kyrian I may be OL or sin dream

30 years combined feral for them both

[grim hornet]

what's boomies early thougts on double legendary?

venth and?

[thorny pond]

They do damage portion, the only place going boomkin would’ve helped then is AoE

[thorny pond]

The starsurge one

End of rav you’d hit like a truck

[hollow river]

Let’s all pray they get nerfed into the ground

[grim hornet]

the one that reduces cost by 20% and gives +20% dam?

[thorny pond]

Yes

But I’d bet they change up legos instead of nerf them

Outside of CDs they are average

[hollow river]

I just hope we get interesting play style additions

With the tier

[grim hornet]

ye

im so curious about tiers

i like the appearance of the one that seems to be rogue

[fallen arch]

They all look super kyrian like?

[golden basalt]

More arbitery but yeah, angelic

[fallen arch]

Potato potato

[grim hornet]

i see it like... ancestral, or something.

more like a broker or a first one

[spice spire]

A broker or a woker? Gonna assume that’s the name for the guys in the next tier

[hollow river]

Last night they said the boss has to die next week

[spice spire]

Or like disband?

[hollow river]

Idk about disband but

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

We’re taking thanksgiving week off regular raid nights

[spice spire]

Kirbyau type beat rn

[hollow river]

We’re doing a special Monday reclear and

[spice spire]

F

[hollow river]

Someone will save sylv lock out if she’s not dead I guess

We usually raid Tuesday Wednesday Thursday

So like

If she doesn’t die next week, after a week off chances are she won’t die ever

Basically

[spice spire]

Best pull?

[hollow river]

Some people will come back playing worse

62%

[grim hornet]

for us, we have to kill her on Sunday

[spice spire]

Winnable

For both

[grim hornet]

Monday one of our core healers can't come to raid anymore cause of new job

and i don't think we are gonna look for a new healer 290 pulls in

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

Idk man

[grim hornet]

still got some progress yday

54% as we got to 4th plat

[hollow river]

We have a couple unreliables

Unfort

[grim hornet]

we just need to land safe on 4th

link those arrows

boomies move their arms in red

[hollow river]

Actually cusping

[native cobalt]

hey i got a noob question, would there be any situation when i chose to break stealth with mutilte instead of ambush?

[grim hornet]

and she prolly daed

[grim hornet]

yes,, all of them

[spice spire]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[hollow river]

Always

[native cobalt]

rly? 0.o

[spice spire]

And the reasoning is above 🙂

[native cobalt]

so i can forget about ambush then?

[hollow river]

Unless using blindside talent yes

[native cobalt]

thank u! thats quite a surprise, ambush were kinda amazing back in the day

[hollow river]

Yeah it’s just not as good this expansion

[spice spire]

Very under tuned unfortunately

[thorny pond]

It evolved into shadow strike

[marble hemlock]

tfw you use flag and your next 3 foks are 1-2cp each

[thorny pond]

I’m sorry buddy

More crit

[marble hemlock]

75% crit, get 2cp mutilates after flag

[thorny pond]

Bruh

You need a hug

[marble hemlock]

nah its fine

we time keys, and i dont really need to do insane damage

people underrate assa damage profile so much

[thorny pond]

I still think it is positioned to be the best profile given good tuning

[marble hemlock]

for m+ it definitely is

the value of 2-3t selective damage is pretty damn high

[delicate smelt]

will you craft 262 legos in advance before 9.2?

[thorny pond]

On good setup, absolutely. Zold meta exasperates it too

[delicate smelt]

right now i have Zold, Obe, Dashing. All of them on 262. I dont know if there is any other good lego which i should craft prior to 9.2

[grim hornet]

Tbf at this point id rather push with sin than sub

but having no team means i need to go meta or not push at all

[golden basalt]

since the new legendaries will be crafted with a new currency and you wont unlock 2nd legendary a bit into Eternitys end i dont think you need to stress making any new legendaries now

[spice spire]

But I have to know now

6 months before I can

[small basin]

hows kyrian assa in m+?

poopy?

[clever kindle]

I would bet Early february for the patch

[spice spire]

Why would you want to Kyrian sin, and specifically in dungeons? Our best soulbind would possibly be kleia which seems medium compared to venthyr and Necrolord

It’s probably fine

[clever kindle]

Its pretty much identical

[small basin]

just if i need a kyrian for a key

tbh

[clever kindle]

Kyrian does more ST then necro and has better hectic add cleave but probably not as good dungeon slice

Just depends for sure, but it's viable now

[spice spire]

Idk Necro ST is pretty decent

[clever kindle]

just play what you want as long as its not night fae

[strange python]

woe

[drifting cosmos]

🤔 in tyran weeks we really only just for the boss dmg, for trash packs we have no burst whatsoever

[strange python]

What's wrong with NF

[clever kindle]

the dps

[strange python]

It's so fun though

You saying it's terrible in raid though or m+?

[clever kindle]

Its really just marginally worse on single target

worse on aoe though

[strange python]

yeah my sim is like 10,4 ... and as necro i wanna say it was around 10,6

yeah

[drifting cosmos]

i like the nf blink, moving so fast

[gusty mirage]

Yes

For both

Not as bad as kyrian tho

Sepsis just sucks as an ability tbh

@marble hemlock if you had to choose suffering through sepsis or echoing reprimand what would you choose?

[marble hemlock]

shooting myself with a poisoned noose where the water is deepest

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

idk

[gusty mirage]

Combo point lotto is actually super toxic

Tbh

[marble hemlock]

id become a star stable streamer before i play either of those

[thorny pond]

Just take ER enjoy your vials

[strange python]

I don't think sepsis sucks, personally...I mean you hit a button every minute. Tuned differently, or with some further secondary interaction, maybe it wouldn't suck as much dps-wise. It feels, to me, like it fits the assassination toolkit.

[gusty mirage]

Idk getting a random chance to use ambush doesn’t seem great

[thorny pond]

It need to either do big dam or offer some interaction

Right now it’s just

[gusty mirage]

Considering we don’t even use ambush outside being talented into blindside

[thorny pond]

There

[strange python]

yeah i agree with that fully

[gusty mirage]

It’s just weird

[strange python]

yeah that's a stupid proc put onto sepsis for sure

[gusty mirage]

If it procced subterfuged garrotes I think it’d be better

[strange python]

so useless

yeah agree

[gusty mirage]

Just kind of weird that it doesn’t

[strange python]

literally the proc could be "allows the use of an empowered garrote for five seconds" or something.

[thorny pond]

Make it so that every builder within the dot window amps your damage by x% after

[gusty mirage]

Like a built in nightstalker kind of?

[thorny pond]

The opposite of flag really

[gusty mirage]

Actually if it triggered ANY of those talents it’d be pretty great

[strange python]

#oxiforcommunitycouncil

[clever kindle]

for them to buff the rogue ability they would have to nerf other parts of the kit which they wont do because of how many other classes use Night fae

[strange python]

You guys think they'll take normal people into that or they just looking for "yes men"

[clever kindle]

Its not like nf rogue is thousands of dps behind, its like 300 behind

single target

[gusty mirage]

A little of both tbh. The interview announcing it seemed like they hear our complaints and they just don’t care lmao

[thorny pond]

The gap will widen with two legos pending tier sets and tuning obvi

[gusty mirage]

Nadjia still bugged by the way

[strange python]

lol

you aren't wrong

[thorny pond]

Two legos kills necro unless they add a ST component so we’d be back to venth

[gusty mirage]

Took them 5 months to stop sylv from randomly jumping off the platform in mythic

[strange python]

The thing that gets me is - there are so many little knobs to "tune" things...that you could literally tune, at least the covenants, to within a few percentages of eachother if you wanted to.

[gusty mirage]

Shard of tel still doesn’t work if you’re using frost set

[strange python]

lol

[gusty mirage]

Bone spike still Uber bugged

Just a mess tbh

[clever kindle]

I haven't noticed much with bone spike, what bugs are present for that at the moment?

[strange python]

What's bugged with bone spike?

[gusty mirage]

Apparently if you wipe and the boss respawns the dot stays on the boss indefinitely and is there invisible

So if you target the boss damage starts ticking

And you pull the boss

[strange python]

oh yeah there's all kinds of weird things like that.

with blood bonus too in like torghast or korthia with wm on

[clever kindle]

I haven't seen that and I was raiding last night

But who knows

could be other factors

[gusty mirage]

Maybe they fixed it idk

It happened to seli on a reclear last week

[clever kindle]

Im sure im not guaranteed to run into the same bugs in any case

[spice spire]

It silences with a garrote if you run subterfuge 🙂

Not empowered though

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that’s janky as fuck

[spice spire]

It sure is buddy

It sure is

[gusty mirage]

So it silences as if you’re in stealth with none of the damage

Sick

[strange python]

yeah that is so weird

[gusty mirage]

🍝

[strange python]

It's such a powerful cd in pvp though

sepsis

[spice spire]

Was nice in 9.0 though

[clever kindle]

To be fair it was actually worse when it did make you stealth

ehhh Ill hard disagree it was dogshit in solo content

[spice spire]

Extra kick for free

[gusty mirage]

Yeah because bone spike did no damage and flag was a waste of 2 GCDs

[clever kindle]

You couldnt even use it in torghast

oh wait 9.0 duh

[spice spire]

Yeah

It sure was

[clever kindle]

Yeah you go to use it in torghast and whoops you reset everything

enjoy your totally useful power

[strange python]

oh yeah haha

that's like master assasin for solo content

[clever kindle]

Like they made 0 effort to fix it or make it work

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Bro

[clever kindle]

at least with master assassin you get it coming out of stealth

[strange python]

yeah true, half useful huh

[clever kindle]

Which is 90% of the point to just one shot shit

[gusty mirage]

Enjoy your 1 crit in your solo content

[clever kindle]

2 crits thank you

[spice spire]

Just wait until you hear about the uptime on niya herbs

And why it’s so high for rogues

Wild spaghetti code

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather not. I’ll never ever go nightfae

Ever

Idc if it’s the best covenant

[clever kindle]

Just remember that subterfuge is viable

[spice spire]

Mystler came in and explained it once and I learned anger that day

[clever kindle]

right now

[spice spire]

It’s because of recuperator and the way it works, even cloaked. Even if it’s not equipped when the thing happens it adds a healing event for 0 whenever you unlock it

So like using the conduit just adds x, that stuff is passively happening for 0 on your toon

Spaghetti code

[gusty mirage]

🍝

[marble hemlock]

man, playing assa is pain

8 mobs, rupture rolling on all of them and everything

and it just doesnt do damage

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

yes

[hollow river]

Elaborate

[subtle tundra]

recuperator procs afaik

[spice spire]

Yeah

I already did

Even if recuperator isn’t equipped

It still procs a healing event

[gusty mirage]

Just play frost mage

My 201 ilvl frost mage did 5k overall in a dungeon yesterday

[spice spire]

230 hit a 6er in a 17, healer couldn’t keep me alive though

[gusty mirage]

It was hard but I think I got the rotation down

It’s blizzard, frozen orb, ice lance 50 times. Fresh first two

[spice spire]

Would just get randomly targeted by the green swirl on packs and 75% gone

[gusty mirage]

Got confused a bit there for a second

Sometimes I’d forget to blizzard right away

[spice spire]

Unfort king

Blizzard on cd

[gusty mirage]

Ye it be that way sometimes

[spice spire]

It’s like shiv

[gusty mirage]

Still did 5k overall

Super hard class

[spice spire]

GIGA brained

No cap though. Actually still a melee brained ape that pulls not realizing that I’m not able to tricks

[hollow river]

Blizzarding the packs before the tank gets there

We call that a dead magician

[spice spire]

Yes man

And I loved the ground

[hollow river]

The ground loves u

And all mages that int

[spice spire]

Drop the last two words buddy

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

The graph that encompasses both of them is a full circle

[hollow river]

Embers catch up when

[alpine latch]

I'm about to reach my limit of how hard I can keep carrying people... someone save me 😢

[hollow river]

Sometimes ya gotta move on man

Or take a break

[gusty mirage]

In 9.2 when it doesn’t matter

[hollow river]

Had to be before

[bleak sky]

raid? m+?

[bleak sky]

1 week before 9.2 hits

[hollow river]

Why tf would they wait til 9.2 when no one needs it

[gusty mirage]

Exactly

That’s why

“Look we listened to feedback guys, here’s your embers catch up”

[hollow river]

Lmao

[thorny pond]

Honestly tho

[strange python]

That literally sumarizes the game

Who's hyped for 9.2 feral and enhance gods

[spice spire]

You said melee kindred affinity and wind fury totem strangely 🤨

[gusty mirage]

Did someone say Kyrian feral stonks?

[strange python]

Enhance is gonna be insane with nf Lego and doggos

[gusty mirage]

They’re going to tweak leggos before 9.2

Otherwise classes like DK would be lost because all their legendaries suck

[strange python]

lol

poor dks

[marble hemlock]

i got KA in the last key we did

[gusty mirage]

It’s a game changer

Tbh

[marble hemlock]

its nice for druid for sure

[strange python]

I don't even enjoy playing anything but rogue now

[gusty mirage]

Just a casual 18% crit every 30ish seconds

[marble hemlock]

goes down to like 27sec cd on aoe, and gives a truckload of vers for the tank if cast on a necro

[spice spire]

The damage amp is nice

Even in Necro

[gusty mirage]

Yeah feral will start to get some play in keys tbh

Esp in 9.2 where them using the kyrian leggo wont matter against them

[viscid schooner]

FFS i keep grinding the fucking dungeons when theres no leather drop theres anima drop,,,, but never a freaking dagger!

[spice spire]

[viscid schooner]

yeah its really annoying man

[lusty surge]

i wonder if celerity will work with the fae leggo granting AR

i wanna be a sinlaw rogue

[viscid schooner]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/frydshrimp

i miss so much on weapons

[jolly bridge]

probably a dumb question, but for someone just getting their feet wet in rogueing, is one spec more beginner-friendly than others? i'm coming from arms warrior, so using two resources is a bit weird for me anyway.

[spice spire]

Assassination is the one I’d recommend most at the beginning

As it’s the most forgiving

[golden basalt]

I’d say sin too

[jolly bridge]

thanks

[golden basalt]

More than anything I find it incredibly enjoyable and smooth in comparison to sin and law

[spice spire]

But all three are definitely fairly easy to learn. Compared to other classes anyway

[golden basalt]

Idk, most classes are fairly easy as long as you stick to the dps specs

[jolly bridge]

it's more complex than arms warrior!

[golden basalt]

Sub and demo being two of the tougher ones to master imo

[spice spire]

Sub kinda gabagool, it’s just about sequencing. But yeah I’d recommend looking at a guide

[jolly bridge]

i keep running into rogues in my m+ runs; they're always doing all these cool things, and they always look like they're having a blast

[golden basalt]

SS - BPB - SS is quite a blast

[spice spire]

Basics to assassination are:

• keep bleeds up
• used CDs as often as possible
• shiv on CD
• finish on four if not running deeper strat
• envenom is filler finisher when you don’t need to rupture

[jolly bridge]

i'll have to find an acronym list to understand what that means, kav

[spice spire]

Then once you get into covenants it’s a different thing

[golden basalt]

It’s sub aoe rotation

Aoe builder - aoe spender repeat

[spice spire]

Shuriken storm, black powder, shuriken storm for sub

[golden basalt]

It’s incredibly boring

[spice spire]

But kav , you funnel into prio target

[golden basalt]

But highly effective!

[spice spire]

Change that powder to an evisc

[nimble narwhal]

But got to pad those meters for pugs so other rogues still get invited

[fallen arch]

Fact

[strange python]

So I've never played Venthyr Sin...When you play sub, the basic goal when using flag is to end up with 27+ stacks (30 being obviously ideal). What is the goal with Sin - the same thing?

[placid pagoda]

Yes

[placid pagoda]

Check the pins for the most up to date information

[gusty mirage]

Ye venthyr sin plays mfd now

[strange python]

Gotcha - i definitely don't see anything about stacks in the pins or the faq's though

but yeah with mfd makes sense

[gusty mirage]

We can thank Vel for the mfd stonks

‘Twas his doing

[spice spire]

If you don’t mfd you’ll be a little lower but should aim for highest possible

[strange python]

right...yeah makes sense...

[fallen arch]

Ban the man

Cursed talent

[plain onyx]

ToP, first boss .. which boss should die first ?

[fallen arch]

Dessia

[gusty mirage]

Silence bone spiker

But you right

[spice spire]

Dessia 100%

Rest of the damage you can mitigate with kicks

[hollow river]

Yep just wait until the secret MP tech reveals itself

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

I will find a way

[gusty mirage]

What happens first: we kill sylv or you make MP useful outside of pvp?

[fallen arch]

None of those

[gusty mirage]

Sad but true

[hollow river]

Well you see here....

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-crying-tears-broken-gif-15062040

[fallen arch]

Sorry bro

Best pull on Sylv?

[hollow river]

There’s a metric fuck ton of copium in that question

[gusty mirage]

Plan B’s in motion

56.8%

[fallen arch]

I gave up on CE

Joined too many dying guilds

[gusty mirage]

I’m selling boosts left and right to save up gold and just buy the kill with people who don’t primarily breath through their mouth

[fallen arch]

Quitting halfway thru sulylv prog

[gusty mirage]

[fallen arch]

Smart

[gusty mirage]

Well it’s not all of them

[fallen arch]

Been thinking of doing the same

[gusty mirage]

Just two or three of them in particular

[hollow river]

How I selling boosts

Keys too?

[gusty mirage]

But in a fight like sylv it’s going to make it hard

[fallen arch]

Yeah but twhree carries is wayyy too many that fight

[hollow river]

U

[gusty mirage]

Ye I’m tryin to stack gold

Up to 3 mil

[hollow river]

I’ve made 1.2mil in the last 2 weeks

[gusty mirage]

330k for heroic + aotc per week and 15kish per key

[hollow river]

No boosts

[gusty mirage]

I’m too lazy to play the AH anymore

[fallen arch]

How

[hollow river]

Only 15k a key?

What level?

[gusty mirage]

15 untimed

[nimble tartan]

oof

[gusty mirage]

It’s hard to get in to key boosts tbh

[hollow river]

Wow that’s cheap

[fallen arch]

Yes

[hollow river]

Yes it is

[nimble tartan]

i just lost 3 mil gambling during breaktime in raid baby

on tuesday

[hollow river]

I craft and play the AH

[gusty mirage]

Omar when you carrying me to CE bro

[fallen arch]

There’s a kazilion boosters and not that many ppl wanting to be boosted

[nimble tartan]

just compete against skip bro

[gusty mirage]

I don’t die to stupid shit

[nimble tartan]

easy ce

[gusty mirage]

Trust

I’m too old to out zoom a zoomer

[fallen arch]

damn that old

[gusty mirage]

My wrists don’t work the way they did when I first played this game 16 years ago

[gusty mirage]

30 might as well be 70 in gaming years

[nimble tartan]

bro we got hella 30 year olds in my guild

[hollow river]

Many boomers in my guild

[gusty mirage]

save me omar

[hollow river]

Only like 1 zoomer

Oxi

[strange python]

Back in the day, it was rare for someone to have a kid in the game...now everyone has kids lol

[hollow river]

How old are zoomers

[gusty mirage]

16-21 I think?

I don’t remember the official cut off

[strange python]

"oh this dude has to leave raid to feed his kid...wtf" - now that's just common lol

[gusty mirage]

Lmao right

[fallen arch]

I know for a fact that at 32 I outplay most 18 year olds tho?

[gusty mirage]

“One sec the baby woke up”

[fallen arch]

Bigger brain

[gusty mirage]

Like damn

[fallen arch]

Ye that shit sucks

[strange python]

19 people were like wtf...now 19 people are just like "oh ok we'll resume when he's back"

[hollow river]

Yea idk about that friend

[strange python]

shoot...people's KIDS are playing the game now

[gusty mirage]

“Researchers and popular media use the mid-to-late 1990s as starting birth years and the early 2010s as ending birth years.”

So I guess 97-2010

[hollow river]

Ok so what am I

I’m a 90s baby

[gusty mirage]

So 11 year olds to 24 year olds I guess

[gusty mirage]

Actual millennial, gaming boomer tho

Sorry man

[nimble tartan]

game is so old that the 20 somethings in my guild has parents that played

[fallen arch]

Yikes

Haha

[spice spire]

Holy moly

[fallen arch]

Are there even players in wow that age tho?

I feel it’s mostly gaming boomer agegroup

[strange python]

My son is 12 - he plays just because I play - but none of his friends will play.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah quite a bit surprisingly

Mostly early 20s though

[nimble tartan]

you should show him final fantasy 14 instead much nicer community hehe

what do kids play these days like apex and valo?

[fallen arch]

Minecraft

Roblox

Actual fucking garbage Fortnite

[nimble tartan]

fortnite lit bro

[fallen arch]

To each their own

[nimble tartan]

we love free games

[fallen arch]

‘Free’

[spice spire]

I’d label it free, afaik there’s nothing you can gain that gives you an edge over others by buying stuff

[fallen arch]

I guess that’s true

[strange python]

Is assa competing good with sub rogue in single target?

I dont like sub but damage 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫🤰🤰🤰🤰🤰💦💦💦💦💦

i would love to change assa without losing 2 much

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

You won’t lose a ton

[fading wigeon]

Lol that Picard face

[strange python]

🙏

[fallen arch]

That a lot of emoji’s

[strange python]

Thats because sub is A LOT of damage

[fallen arch]

Ye so is sin

[strange python]

Thats what i wanted to hear

[hollow river]

Obvious troll is obvious

[strange python]

No troll i rly like sin playstyle

more than sub

[fallen arch]

Then play it

[strange python]

but damage > preference

My guild is very strict with dps

[fallen arch]

Thats dumb

But ok

[hollow river]

Let’s all ignore his profile picture

[strange python]

I know but we have insane progress

even tho we lose fun...

[fallen arch]

Thanks for pointing that out

[strange python]

Its a matching

You dont want to see the other half

[fallen arch]

Its actual foottage of you?

[strange python]

...

[sonic hornet]

hi

[gusty mirage]

I’m ignoring more than that friend

[strange python]

hi yers

[sonic hornet]

i have the fortune of a kyrian druid gonna be buffin me during raid

do they just pump it on cd?

[gusty mirage]

Yep

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

On CD

[strange python]

:(

[fading wigeon]

which mythic plus powers do you gusy take, dagger and axe?

[stray mural]

Play what you’re good at but don’t be afraid to try new things. That’s what I was told last night.

[strange python]

Thats actually pretty smart 🙏

[stray mural]

Dagger and Stats for me

[gusty mirage]

Dagger and brand usually. Axe is okay if your group’s single target is meh

[fading wigeon]

ok thanks guys!

[gusty mirage]

Bolstering in explosives week/bosses with adds

[stray mural]

We are the single target

[gusty mirage]

Good thing it’s group content and not solo content

[unique badger]

Could someone assist in a log review for a kill? I feel like I’m doing good with being new to rogue but I think I need assistance. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gMbkVjzHrdcFwW8T#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=13

[frosty bridge]

[cerulean nest]

finally starting on Fate boys. jesus

[slow marsh]

you're not even optimized for NF on top of NF being bad

[spice spire]

@balmy condor can you open a thread?

[balmy condor]

I’ll open my ass for you king bet

[slow marsh]

!

[balmy condor]

Zatrat Log

[viscid schooner]

Zoldyck vs Obedience? what do you guys think hits better

[slow marsh]

for?

[balmy condor]

Zold for aoe, obed for single target

[alpine latch]

NF m+

[balmy condor]

Like Id never play zold in top

[slow marsh]

you'd never play sin wym

[balmy condor]

[viscid schooner]

im VEnthyr ofcourse

yeah for m+

[balmy condor]

I go from being called a sin OTP to never playing sin in one patch

[slow marsh]

i played outlaw for 2 weeks and now i'm a pirate boy according to oxi

deal with it

[unique badger]

I switched to venth when 9.1.5 came out

[balmy condor]

Wait iceblades called nf bad

[alpine latch]

NF is bad

[balmy condor]

Maybe there is hope for sinners

[spice spire]

You’ve changed king :/

[hollow river]

[viscid schooner]

but answer plz obedience or zoldyck for m+

[slow marsh]

obed

[balmy condor]

I thought I did answer

[hollow river]

Zoldycks

Is better aoe

[viscid schooner]

yeah but you say obe for ST

[hollow river]

He did answer

[viscid schooner]

but i thought youd have to focus on AOE in m+

[hollow river]

Nah

Depends on what your group needs

[viscid schooner]

ahh okay i mostly /always pug it

[hollow river]

Ahh well

[viscid schooner]

so i cant be sure what to get as team mates

[hollow river]

Right right

Can’t go wrong with either option then really

What level keys are you doing?

Just 15s for vault? Or 22+

For weekly 15s just play whoever you like more

If pushing higher keys I’d probably craft both and switch depending on the pugs comp

[viscid schooner]

uhmm my ilvl is 237 atm

i dont know what keylevel i can do

my daggers fucks my ilvl haha its still 220

[hollow river]

Ahh

If you raid you could just do obedience for both raid and m+ tbh

Unless you’ve already got a diff raid set up

[viscid schooner]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/frydshrimp

thats my gear atm

@hollow river

[alpine latch]

That's what I did - served me well for quite some time.

[balmy condor]

You telling me a shrimp fryd this rice?

[viscid schooner]

hahaha 😂

[balmy condor]

🍚 🦐

[hollow river]

Fried simp

[viscid schooner]

is it okay my gear?

[spice spire]

Could take some upgrades but it’s fine

[spice spire]

Could have just said Makeitquake there king

[viscid schooner]

liek what @spice spire

[fallen arch]

Like a lot of slots

Get better daggers for one

[balmy condor]

You can valor 6 slots

[spice spire]

Yeah you can get upgrades everywhere

But the gear is fine right now

[viscid schooner]

yeah i farm daggers for life but they dont drop

[balmy condor]

Fusion amp off guardian

[viscid schooner]

my m+ lvl is not high enough now

[balmy condor]

Then work on that

[small basin]

better get grinding

[viscid schooner]

i am selne

[balmy condor]

15’s no problemo

You got it

[viscid schooner]

but i farm PFand mots and SD the most

[red plaza]

Also note since valor isn’t capped anymore, you could always farm lower keys if they are easier to get in to/complete and just spend a little more valor upgrading drops

[unique badger]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[shy meteor]

Do you pool for flagellation? Just switched to venthyr

[viscid schooner]

thnx for the tip

[slow marsh]

kind of. you only flag at full cp and you dont usually want to flag at 0 energy

i personally pool to 50-60 then flag and that helps with getting extra finisher in at the end

[viscid schooner]

so im 1455 now and just need to get 400 valor for the trinket the rest of what i could have upgraded is 239 now

[bleak sky]

gotta push your own keys to get that fast 2k rating

get 2k -> get all 246 -> push

[native cobalt]

ey bois... is slice and dice a priority no matter what talents I pick?

[balmy condor]

yes

slice and dice is the single strongest finisher

[slow marsh]

if you do it right you just press it once and it's up forever

[balmy condor]

ye

[oak sky]

@balmy condor i think daps wrote that guide

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

Rupture on 4t

[slow marsh]

yeah that's kinda troll

[small basin]

you dont want to rupture 4 targets?

[oak sky]

Well in mass aoe you pretty much rupture as many targets as possible

[small basin]

ah right

thought so

thought you meant less

[marble hemlock]

i suppose i could add a line later in the prio about rupturing more than that if excess CP

@balmy condor do you happen to know if excess ruptures take prio over maintaining envenom with LP slotted?

[cerulean nest]

cross faction confirmed? mechagnome time??????

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1459261525445775369?t=Nuf7T6sjCnuop2y0GiTFdg&s=19

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The specification is important. https://t.co/FBriERoiBe

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[balmy condor]

I believe they do

[marble hemlock]

im not a big fan of suggesting/recommending to just spam ruptures all over even if its a theoretical gain on overall, as more often than not other choices might be more beneficial to the goal of the encounter

in any case, ill add a line for excess ruptures 🙂

[oak sky]

I was just memeing since daps said that once, i know you know the class and write the guide as a nice set of general tips seli :)

[marble hemlock]

yeah its just things get lost when youre covering this much content, so some things might be outdated as i didnt catch them when rewriting/updating, so im always happy if people point out inconsistencies/mistakes that i didnt catch

[kind talon]

bro?

Bro?

[balmy condor]

problem with sin is that you can min-max conditionals until your brain melts

[kind talon]

night elf time bro?

[balmy condor]

and then still argue about what situation it would apply or not apply in

[kind talon]

@balmy condor are u swapping nelf for that meld or what

[bleak sky]

we all mechagnomes

[oak sky]

Dark iron time pog

[balmy condor]

n

[kind talon]

night elf does more damage

[kind talon]

[bleak sky]

wait what

does it

[kind talon]

yes lol

[oak sky]

Might not be permanent zzzzzz

[kind talon]

imagine having 2 MA windows

[marble hemlock]

yeah exactly

[kind talon]

:0

[oak sky]

You know who is swapping? Ramfam

🐏

[marble hemlock]

the "rupture it all" isnt really worth when mobs have uneven HP and youd be better off envenoming a prio target or the highest health one

[kind talon]

@oak sky

vendetta has a 110 second cooldown

[marble hemlock]

and id say that case applies to like 90-95% of aoe pulls

[kind talon]

[bleak sky]

blasting halkias YEP

[slow marsh]

Thanks for continuing to rep us well seli

[marble hemlock]

yeah idk

[viscid spear]

Whoa Black Betty

[marble hemlock]

its awkward to see the meters after every dungeon

[kind talon]

even in places like ardenweald in dos which is the most even hp packs, there ends up being some packs that u need to prio down

super good point

[marble hemlock]

but honestly, when i compare it to some of the best subs

i dont actually feel like assa is worse

[kind talon]

but is the assa speeding up the dungeon as much as the sub is?

in terms of funnel?

like it depends on the dungeon no?

[marble hemlock]

thats impossible to quantify

[kind talon]

well

what is your dmg to shard of halkias

compared to one of the best sub rogues

[marble hemlock]

its easy to say "sub speeds up the dungeon cause they can funnel giga prio into halkias" the same way you can say "this class is the best m+ class cause it does the most overall"

but its not about one pull

[kind talon]

sure

but sub can do 30k on aoe pulls

[marble hemlock]

you do the next pull, and sub keeps spamming ss+bp and does nothing whatsoever to even out hp

[gusty mirage]

"us"

[bleak sky]

we're not that far behind I feel

[kind talon]

fair enough

[marble hemlock]

whereas assa does. so how do you quantify which one saves more time

[kind talon]

thats not the point tho

[slow marsh]

Yes us

Did you not get the memo

[gusty mirage]

whatever you say pirate enjoyer

[marble hemlock]

the minutae of assa on every pull of making sure to rupture/garrote/envenim highest health targets, vs sub having a few distinct moments where you can funnel to your hearts content

[kind talon]

whenever you play a halls dungeon does that shard die first / same time or after?

just wondering

as assa

[marble hemlock]

definitely after

[slow marsh]

I retired temporarily from outlaw

[marble hemlock]

even with vendetta

you do nowhere close to the shard damage that sub does

[kind talon]

yeah

[slow marsh]

Cuz that stupid dagger will never drop

[gusty mirage]

weird way to spell permanently

[kind talon]

the thing about sub tho is that they can spread ruptures too

[marble hemlock]

but they dont

[kind talon]

if there are 3 or 4 targets

u do

[oak sky]

Sin has value in packs with multiple prio mobs for sure

[kind talon]

and if u need the mobs to die first then u do

[marble hemlock]

sure, cause its the most efficient way to play the spec then from a DPS perspective

[kind talon]

but

[slow marsh]

Sub also does not need stealth so it works a lot better for chain pulling

[kind talon]

all im saying is

[marble hemlock]

assa doesnt need stealth either

thats a common misconception

[kind talon]

off the top of my head

[slow marsh]

I mean kind of does

[marble hemlock]

no

[kind talon]

theres a ton of pulls with like one prio target

[marble hemlock]

chainpulling done right is beneficial for assa

[slow marsh]

One of the key talents is based around stealth

[oak sky]

Stealth is for iron wire

[kind talon]

and much fewer with 2 prio targets

[marble hemlock]

really? besides halkias shards, which one is there?

[kind talon]

but i think sin excels when you think about

[oak sky]

The damage isnt affected that mucj

[fallen arch]

Play night elf 4heads

[marble hemlock]

halls is the only dungeon

[kind talon]

i mean every pull of halls

[marble hemlock]

where there is a lot of prio damage requirements

[kind talon]

many pulls in DoS

[bleak sky]

it's just the shard pulls tho

[kind talon]

?????

[oak sky]

Sanguine comes to mind

[kind talon]

shard > first boss > second boss > 3rd boss if u pull into it > miniboss

[marble hemlock]

except for the last pull, none of the aoe pulls require 1-target prio

[slow marsh]

I feel like it kind of is though depending on how many empowered x3 garrets you miss because chain pull

[gusty mirage]

nah its been calculated

[oak sky]

They simmed it idk man

[gusty mirage]

don't worry

[slow marsh]

Oh ok

[marble hemlock]

but yeah, halls definitely the best sub dungeon by far

[gusty mirage]

agreon is right

[slow marsh]

Good to know

Mb

[gusty mirage]

you're gucci

[marble hemlock]

assa ramp is anywhere between 5-10seconds. chainpulling properly means you dont have to ramp

[bleak sky]

and spires is best sin dungeon I guess?

[kind talon]

DoS all the deathspeaker pulls

[gusty mirage]

top

[marble hemlock]

nah, spires is one of the worst

[gusty mirage]

best sin dungeon

[bleak sky]

oh true top

[slow marsh]

Just figured missing out on 2 full talents a handful of times in a dungeon would be worse

[marble hemlock]

i hate spires

alac drops all the time

[bleak sky]

I like spires but I'm a scrub

[marble hemlock]

so does snd

[kind talon]

But yeah @marble hemlock

[oak sky]

Spires just generally isnt fun tho lol

[kind talon]

I think sin is super strong in dos

[marble hemlock]

dunno, the uncapped aoe barely matters

[gusty mirage]

@slow marsh restealths mattered a bit more in bfa because of shrouded suffocation but even then if chained properly it was whatever

[bleak sky]

it does feel good in dos

[marble hemlock]

you still do no aoe dmg

[kind talon]

im referring more to

deathspeaker + lieutenant pulls

and

the double warlord pull

assa excels when there are 2 prio targets

[golden basalt]

idk, for once Decaf might be right

[marble hemlock]

the reason chainpulls are so good for assa, is because it means you dont have to ramp up every pull to get things started, but you still have bleeds rolling from the previous pull. you constantly sustain high energy regen that way, and can always prioritize the highest DPE for the given situation instead of having to worry about setting up your regen as efficiently as possible every new pull

[slow marsh]

For once

[oak sky]

Its like not having a dk on soulrender

[kind talon]

?????????

[slow marsh]

FOR ONCE

Lmao

[kind talon]

i stay having good takes

for like

a few months now

[slow marsh]

Same honestly

[bleak sky]

i just looked at my most recent spires and snd didn't seem to drop really

97.16% uptime on it doesn't seem too horrible

[fallen arch]

I forget who he is every time he switches avatars

[oak sky]

Kinda depends on your pulls

[bleak sky]

true I guess

[kind talon]

isnt spires one of the best dungeons for assa utility

like

[marble hemlock]

sub excels at 1t priority, but they have no way of evening out uneven health-percentages on a lot of the pulls, which is where assa is strongest. a lot of pulls will have uneven HP targets, and proper target selection allows assa to prioritize those targets with the ruptures and garrotes youre spreading.

so yeah, sub does the flashy 1t prio which looks good on meters, but then you go into the next pull with gargons having higher base health than the other 6 mobs in the pull, and you dont see sub rogues eviscerating/rupturing those but keep going ss>bp until very late into the pull. assa just bleeds those up with proper target selection and ensures that over the entirety of the pull, they take more damage than the rest, leading to more even kill timers

[kind talon]

iron wire in that dungeon is super good

[gusty mirage]

yea that dr is underrated

like heavily

[oak sky]

Bursting week

[marble hemlock]

its impossible to quantify which one saves more time, and the timer might not even be the concern, but the survivability of the group

[kind talon]

what do you mean dr

[oak sky]

Even the long silence

[gusty mirage]

damage reduction

[oak sky]

It does 30% dr dekai

[marble hemlock]

thats why sub is so valuable in halls, because it allows you to skip one or maybe even two thrashes

[kind talon]

oh

iron wire?

yeah

[gusty mirage]

yea

extended silence and the DR is strong af

[kind talon]

but then you can even say

sub players

should be rupturing gargons

[bleak sky]

all I know is playing sin in keys feels good and right

[marble hemlock]

its not that good in spires, imo, mostly cause you constantly lose your buffs

[kind talon]

what u just said is "sub players are misplaying so assa is better"

[gusty mirage]

fuck spires and their stupid palm trees and their stupid pillars

[bleak sky]

lmao oxi

[kind talon]

even tho sub players could be theoretically making the pulls even faster

[gusty mirage]

oh I'd like a top down view "LOL ENJOY THESE PALM TREES"

[marble hemlock]

they should decaf, but at that point youre not doing the overall you were talking about anymore, so you can do the same as assa, but hten you deal less damage than assa doing that thing 🙂

[kind talon]

sure

[marble hemlock]

and who knows, maybe evening out the health isnt even the best play

maybe you just wanna funnel houndsmasters

[kind talon]

it depends right

there have been many times where

[marble hemlock]

and just chain gargons into next pull

[kind talon]

i flag and straight up

[bleak sky]

can't play rogue cuz I got the crit tea and gotta save it for raid

[kind talon]

evis funnel the houndmaster

and chain gargons

[fallen arch]

Yes

[slow marsh]

The feels

[gusty mirage]

guess you're done until raid brother, unlucky