assassination

[small basin]

just tried a key as obediance with mfd

really fun and big dam

[timid cloud]

It's just really bad for multi target.

Clunky on the rotation too.

[small basin]

mm maybe

[oak sky]

ep is good with more targets because of energy regen

you get more finishers off

at least thats my impression

[small basin]

i did pretty decent overall and blasted on bosses

so still felt nice to play

[oak sky]

then we used to use vigor but now mfd is just better because its better

[stark ravine]

!guide

[timid cloud]

Did you see the difference in DPS that it was for me?

Actually wild.

[small basin]

but yeah i really like mfd with assa

where the combo point generation is sloiwer

[timid cloud]

I played it a bit this week.

[oak sky]

you had obedience on one of them too cyclone

cant directly compare that

[timid cloud]

Yeah, there was the comfy EP/Vigor/DS

[small basin]

only shit thing is you cant get 4 garrottes off without waiting for the last with mfd

at least with my haste

[timid cloud]

Then the "optimized" EP/MFD/Obi

[oak sky]

should play mfd with ds as well

[timid cloud]

I'm doing more sims right now.

[small basin]

mfd with ds?

[oak sky]

dashing

dashing ds

[small basin]

oh

thought you meant deeper lol

[oak sky]

not deeper stratagem ds

[timid cloud]

Oh lord, that sounds actually...not that bad.

[oak sky]

same row

[timid cloud]

I guess we'll have to see where MP lands too.

[oak sky]

mp doesnt land

[timid cloud]

I meant DS / Deeper

[oak sky]

[timid cloud]

:^)

I think I'm gonna do EP/MFD/Dashing this week in Heroic.

[oak sky]

obedience will probably sim higher than dashing with mfd but its only better on like certain fight timers usually

mfd just does more damage than vigor but play what you like

[timid cloud]

Yeah, it feels so bad on some of them.

Oops, I meant MFD*

[oak sky]

gotcha gotcha

i dont do obedience really

[timid cloud]

Might even do a 5am Normal right now.

LOL

[oak sky]

yeah good luck with that

[timid cloud]

Watch me.

[glass tulip]

[humble ginkgo]

I just had the weirdest bug

I pressed flag

and did finishers

it stayeed at 1 stack and it disappeared instead of giving me it

[timid cloud]

Did it get parried?

[soft shale]

sometimes it happens

[humble ginkgo]

I was behind a target dummie

[soft shale]

it never has happened to me tho

[oak sky]

Its some weird shit that happens every once in a while

Just cry when it happens and hope that it doesnt

[timid cloud]

LOL

Yeah, like the boss being turned around randomly so your Shiv gets parried.

[grim hornet]

ppl were talking about it b4, happened to several peeps on sylv fights

target dummie too skillfull

[fallen arch]

She parried at least a dozen of my opener bonespikes too

Bitch

[fallen arch]

I have had the same on multiple Torghast bosses

With flag

Should stay Necro

[grim hornet]

for me she loves to parry my envenoms in MA window

lovely ❤️

[faint harness]

Common bug

Happens quite a lot tbh

Which is why venthyr is in the dirt

[grim hornet]

honestly, didn't happen to me in 12h raiding in 9.1.5

[humble ginkgo]

Thats cringe

But sin is only vent

[faint harness]

Hint hint

[spice spire]

Push

[faint harness]

Ok its not that common

[spice spire]

Anti assassination agenda

[faint harness]

But it does happen from time to time, i noticed it when i played a lot of venthyr too

[spice spire]

It’s been fairly common since 9.1.5 I guess, few people mentioned last night

[faint harness]

But like once every 3rd raid maybe

Its a weird bug

And super frustrating if you play obe, which assa isnt, so it should be slightly less annoying

[spice spire]

Top geared assa rogues are actually. It ends up being part of our BiS

With mfd

[faint harness]

Oh ok

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Necrolord assassin stonks rising

[faint harness]

[arctic hare]

Would a relatively good opener be four garrotes then a rupture then bonespike and use those for further ruptures?

[sly spruce]

I do 3 garrotes and then rupture the highest HP, bonespike dot up adds and then crimson

Fan of knives and then add more ruptures to people

[grim hornet]

i like the 4 garrotes

[sly spruce]

If your running vigor it's easier

btw, im thinking of using Dashing Scoundrel and only need 1 more piece for winds of frost set. Is that lego equally good comparing to doomblade and obedience

[grim hornet]

for raid its better, as long as u have r5 frost, afaik

[arctic hare]

Ye

[grim hornet]

i think someone said before that at full gear obedience tends to rise

[arctic hare]

It is able to be better beforehand

[spice spire]

The obedience thing is in pins

[thorny pond]

Thanks Quake!

Probably going to screw around with some venth again soon

[static rock]

I think necro is pretty good

[hollow river]

You want to CT after garrotes if you already have SnD rolling

Then SBS/ruptures etc

[arctic hare]

Ahh, good ta know

[static rock]

I’m kind of confused do we run obedience or zoldyck in m+?

[fallen arch]

Can do both

[hollow river]

Either

[arctic hare]

I really ought to make obe

But meh

[static rock]

Zoldyck simmed better but when I was watching varas he was using obedience

Are they like different damage profiles?

[hollow river]

Technically yes a little diff but not by much

Obe gives you a tiny bit more burst because flag is close to 1 min CD with obe

Zoldycks is more overall damage though usually

Obe pretty decent for a little more boss dam

[placid sierra]

hi guys ! could anybody wisp me theyr rotation button after button ? i read the priority list but i just can't figure some mechanics around and it would maybe be more easy if i could see a basic spell by spell rotation 🙂

[thorny pond]

Group comp also comes into consideration too

[thorny pond]

If you go to Warcraft logs and pick a player you can see their entire cast sequence

Click them - casts - timeline

[static rock]

Alright and I know the opener is like 3 garrotes from stealth, do we open with garrote after vanish? In m+

[hollow river]

Just depends

[arctic hare]

4 garrotes ain’t it?

[hollow river]

On if you want to save vanish for utility

If not then yeah, when the first round of garrotes falls off

You can vanish and apply new empowered gars

[hollow river]

It’s only 3 empowered

[grim hornet]

yeah but why not throw a 4th?

[arctic hare]

But why not add a fourth one in dere

[hollow river]

You get can a fourth off, for sure but some people don’t

It’s not a big deal at all to do a 4th

Could go ahead and fok to spread poisons

[arctic hare]

Free energy!

[hollow river]

Don’t think energy will be too much of an issue

Idk iirc 4th gar isn’t a big deal

[arctic hare]

It is in the start lol

Energy regen is a pain when I start off in aoe

[hollow river]

Like I said, don’t think it’s a big deal

[arctic hare]

Yeah, guess I’ll just keep doing it for a bit extra damage, and those sweet sweet combo points

[hollow river]

Could be wrong but afaik from last tier the “important” thing is getting the 3 empowered.

[arctic hare]

Ofc, once every thing has ramped, combo points are beautiful

[arctic hare]

Oh yeah, I’m definitely not debating that, 3 empowered garrotes are absolutely necessary

Was teaching a new sin rogue and instantly told him to make sure when in aoe to get his bleeds set up

And snd ofc, thats a given ahahaha

[hollow river]

Yeah, we just don’t hold up the group for restealths throughout the dungeon

[arctic hare]

True

[grim hornet]

imagine 6 targets pull. Would be worth to do 3 empowered garrs > vanish > 3 empowered garrs > CT > start FoK and ruptures?

[hollow river]

Afaik no

[arctic hare]

I tend to have a moment to stealth between pulls

[hollow river]

You want to do your 3x gar, fok+CT and then spread ruptures

Maybe you can do the other 3x gar after CT

But getting CT up is important in any cleave/aoe

[placid sierra]

thanks 🙂

[hollow river]

There’s also spell by spell opener in the IceyVeins guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hollow river]

^^^

[fading wigeon]

am I missing something or is 252 gland better than 239 fusion amp? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ePoGi8mBKud5rUW43iY1gx

[hollow river]

It’s usually better yeah

[fading wigeon]

ah ok

[hollow river]

It’s better for my profile

[fading wigeon]

damn was so excited when I finally got the amp lol

[hollow river]

But amp is bigger gains on sub and outlaw - for me at least

Same lol

Then I kept running gland

[fading wigeon]

lol ok back to gland it is

[hollow river]

I guess that crit is too important for sin

[fading wigeon]

makes sense

[placid sierra]

thanks guys you rock ! been playing sub from some time now and am looking forward to play assassination for a bit 🙂

[hollow river]

Goodluck n have fun come back if ya need anything not listed in the guides and someone will be glad to help I’m sure

[placid sierra]

thanks 😉

[static rock]

does getting an envenom out to maintain snd more important then hitting a rupture during pandemic?

[clever kindle]

snd goes up first on opener so that would be the more important of the two to maintain, plus you're dealing damage with the envenom. But normally I would try to avoid that situation unless you're coming back to the boss after having to step away for mechanics

[static rock]

yeah im talking mainly from a m+ perspective, sin gives me issues with like more then 3 targets

i dont know how to keep up 5 ruptures because they all end at once

then keeping crimson tempest up while trying to use an envenom to keep up slice

[arctic hare]

Its fun lol

[static rock]

then using garrote and having to wait 5 seconds between them

am i supposed to maintain 5 ruptures in aoe?

[clever kindle]

Not sure, Outlaw was my main so I always just play that for m+, maybe someone who runs sin in m+ can tell you, to me it seems like 5 would be pushing it

[slim wagon]

as many as you can

[static rock]

outlaw and sub seems way easier in m+

[clever kindle]

because you also have to work in envenoms to refresh snd, garrotes, you're mostly battling for gcds

sin is simple enough mostly crimson tempest and tab target rupture but outlaw and sub have the more direct damage route for sure

[arctic hare]

Indeed

I tend to be able to handle 5 ruptures, but they’re usually dead by the time I can replenish them

But yeah, as they said, put up as many as you can handle, because in aoe your energy regen will outstrip your gcds by what seems to be a very wide margin

[static rock]

yeah as of now ive only tried it on the venthyr aoe target dummies trying to keep up 4-5 ruptures for a minute

[arctic hare]

Oh yeah

Thats probably why lol

Dummies be invinnnncible, actual enemies(for the most part) will most likely be dead by the time 28 seconds or so

[static rock]

im assuming we aren't doing the 3 envenoms in aoe with shiv either right?

[arctic hare]

Shhhh

Don’t mention the shiv envenoms and how many you need to get in there

You’ll anger whispyr

You do not need to ever hit a specific amount of envenoms in a shiv window

[static rock]

okay well as many as i can get

[arctic hare]

Indeeeeed

[static rock]

do i prio envenom in aoe on my shiv target?

or do i just throw shiv on a regular target

[arctic hare]

Hmm

Thats a question to ask more experienced players lol

Oh well, schools up, gtg

[static rock]

goodluck

and im also curious as to how obedience is more boss damage than zoldyck (never used) wouldn't it be better on a tyrannical boss because more boss health?

[soft shale]

bosses dont stay at 30% for long

[thorny pond]

Zold's is really good value the more bleeds you have out which goes up the more targets you have. There are only so many bleeds/mob you can have

and obedience gets you the whole 100-0

[soft shale]

but you can get around 3 uses of flag with obedience most of the time on tyr bosses

[valid spoke]

Whats the line for simming Fatal Flaw with vers?

Or is the bug already in the sims

[hollow river]

Yeah SnD>everything

[hollow river]

It’s not in the sims and I don’t think anyone has made a line for it

Everyone’s just been using Theotar

[alpine latch]

Are you guys doing the 2-3m Layer 9 clears? Is there any specific talents I need to run?

I'm wondering if I can PL my friends doing the runs

[gusty mirage]

Switch to sub, makes it easier

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I'm good

I'd rather take 4-5m than play sub, lol

[gusty mirage]

Fair enough

[alpine latch]

Shit, I'd rather level and gear a DH than do that

[gusty mirage]

I just switched necro and hoped I got some chains and the OP range power

Turn into a turret

Just blasting 400k sbs crits lol

[spice spire]

So anyways, I started blasting

[strange python]

They do hotfixes but don’t fix the fatal flaw 😦

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

[spice spire]

There’s like this weird combo of sbs powers where you become a semi auto sniper

One shooting the mobs from a mile away

[gusty mirage]

They probably don’t know which spaghetti strand broke it yet

[spice spire]

Bet it was a linguini strand

They always get mixed in somehow

[gusty mirage]

Shard of tel still broken

[strange python]

Pfff things are getting worse ma dudes

It seems we’ll have some news of patch 9.2 soon..

[gusty mirage]

Today I believe

[spice spire]

5.5 hours

[vestal wren]

its a feature not a bug™️

[gusty mirage]

Oh true true

[grim hornet]

yo

[gusty mirage]

Perf feature for tanks tbh

[grim hornet]

yesterday we got to 4th platform

[gusty mirage]

Haste turns into vers guaranteed?

[grim hornet]

for first time after 290 wipes

[spice spire]

[grim hornet]

boss was at 59,7 iirc

so im starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel

if she dies this save im gonna just feel free

T_T

[dry void]

assuming nadija is still bugged

[valid spoke]

For Dreamweaver warrior they calculated how long you need to stand in the haste zone for it to pull ahead of Niya - do we have the same thing for theotar vs nadija?

[sour wraith]

@gusty mirage sylv ded?

[gusty mirage]

No

[sour wraith]

[valid spoke]

or should we just always play theotar no matter what

[spice spire]

Just play theo no matter what

[viscid spear]

Did they add the item that unlocks all FPs for alts yet?

nvm I see it

[gusty mirage]

Ye but you need shadowlands explorer

[viscid spear]

I don't have that achievement, sucks

[gusty mirage]

Including all the side quests

[viscid spear]

Time to grind, sigh

[hollow river]

Same as my heart

[grim hornet]

is it? my shammies got healing from that in yesterday logs

[gusty mirage]

It’s only broken for some specs

Seems to be dps specs

[spice pilot]

Goodmoring

[gusty mirage]

Not one proc last night

[spice pilot]

I have a question a bout rouges is outlaw batter then assassination

[gusty mirage]

For what content?

M+? raid? Torghast?

All 3 rogue specs are good now so it really depends

[spice pilot]

I been doing quest stuff of being a outlaw I have a hard time staying a live

[grim hornet]

outlaw is immortal to me

[grim hornet]

wtf, might be the dps spec thing

so weird

[gusty mirage]

Ye if you’re leveling rogue it’s rough

[hollow river]

Pretty sure it’s only broken if you use the frost set iirc

[limber lion]

It doesn't work with the set.

The shard itself works

[hollow river]

Ye

What Cev said

[limber lion]

Combined with the set and it goes spaghettios

[gusty mirage]

🍝

[hollow river]

What a smart and cool dood

[limber lion]

Not related to specs/roles whatsoever

Just the set.

:')

[gusty mirage]

Just frost spec users?

Even better

[limber lion]

Frost set users yessir

[spice pilot]

Is assassination batter then outlaw I mean in the space that it has

[gusty mirage]

In leveling assa is probably the worst of the three

[hollow river]

Buy some health pots, and vendor food. Make sure to try and use vanish when you’re about to die, and try to use your stuns when possible

[gusty mirage]

Chance of it getting fixed before December?

[hollow river]

That’s a ZERO

[grim hornet]

just use stuns, use kicks, use cloak/evasion vs hard hitting casters/melee, interrupt casts with gouge

u can also kite a bit

[spice pilot]

Thank you friends its been a while sens I have not been on my toon so I was just asking

[hollow river]

Yep just practice using your tool kit

[grim hornet]

and as soon as u see cheat death -> healthpot

[hollow river]

Can be daunting at first

Because it’s a lot to learn

[gusty mirage]

I would recommend sticking outlaw or trying out sub with soothing darkness talent while leveling

[grim hornet]

yes

[hollow river]

But you’ll get it

[gusty mirage]

Assassination is kinda bad because it takes longer than the other 2 to get damage rolling

Just makes it harder for you when you’re still leveling or don’t have great gear

[hollow river]

@limber lion you ever use leeching poison?

In raid

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Wut

[spice pilot]

So you guys play wow

Too as well

[gusty mirage]

Bro what

[hollow river]

Dude. What

[gusty mirage]

You serious Clark?

[gusty mirage]

Y’all getting sylv this week?

Imma need one of us to kill it so I can maintain my hopium

[hollow river]

I sincerely doubt it king...

We could if everyone stopped inting

Like every night after our break we waste our last hour of raid

Because people just int

Last night everyone said they were lagging

[gusty mirage]

Honestly same

[grim hornet]

i may be your dose of hopium

i trust

[spice spire]

290 pulls 59%?

No shot

GG go next week boys

[gusty mirage]

Bro if this dies before 300 I’ll be surprised

Ngl

[spice spire]

Tank swap at 240

[gusty mirage]

The closer we get in p3 the more lead paint seems to be consumed prior to raid

[spice spire]

Reprog the boss for your guild and make them suffer as you do internally

Based

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay Tuesday for sure when 80% of the raid doesn’t log in until then

So we spend an hour wiping in p1

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage you need dagger funnel this week king? Or gonna do the carry?

[gusty mirage]

Nah doing a carry

[hollow river]

What’s this?

[gusty mirage]

That’s our warrior trying to compete with the 3 npcs for rive swirlies eaten

[hollow river]

Try 62% 330 pulls

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Notrickz homie

We gotta find you a guild that puts in the work you do

[gusty mirage]

The best part is my guild was laughing at Kirby’s guild needing 398 pulls

And at this rate idk if we even get it in less than 400

[hollow river]

You will

[grim hornet]

55% as we were jumping to 4th platform. I were mistaken

[gusty mirage]

Best pull someone decided to step in a puddle right as banshee’s was going off on platform 3

[hollow river]

You PB is 59%?

[spice spire]

Oh maybe then kura

[gusty mirage]

7 people insta died

[gusty mirage]

56.8

[hollow river]

Y’all will kill it

[spice spire]

They swapped tanks

[hollow river]

By 300

[spice spire]

240 pulls in

[hollow river]

Oh wow

I mean

[gusty mirage]

We swapped tanks back to our prot pally

[spice spire]

With someone who hadn’t been in at all

[hollow river]

We’re trialing a new frost mage

As of this week

[gusty mirage]

He’s seen p3 like 10 times total

[hollow river]

We have 3 mages now

[spice spire]

Yeah but p3 is like tank duty

[grim hornet]

lol i can relate

[gusty mirage]

Well now like 16 times total

Lol

[spice spire]

So you want your tanks to know their shit

[grim hornet]

we got 1 guy with 150 pulls swaped to another with 0.

also different dmg patterns

[gusty mirage]

Brilliant tbh

We get our best pull ever

Let’s swap back to our tank who can magically raid again after being out for 2 weeks

Who missed all our p3 prog

[hollow river]

Yeah ik

[grim hornet]

yea, exactly xD

[tribal mauve]

51% before BL yesterday, tank dispelled in the middle of the raid during fury, wipe xD

[gusty mirage]

[grim hornet]

"lets swap back to the mage that left saying nothing in dormazain progress, what could go wrong"

[hollow river]

Actual stupid

[gusty mirage]

The reasoning is even better

[grim hornet]

mygod...

[tribal mauve]

That was the kill 💯

[gusty mirage]

Our vdh kept dying trying to slurp pools on other plats but always the same spot

So we swapped in our prot pally who randomly dies in all 3 phases

[hollow river]

No matter how pressed we are I don’t think my guild will take anyone back that dipped mid prog

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

That’s what they say anyway

[grim hornet]

i wouldn't also

i'd rather take a random at oribos

[tribal mauve]

What is the % when u reach p3 boyz

[gusty mirage]

Ye that’s a bad precedent to set

[grim hornet]

or he/she has a good excuse like IRL unavoidable stuff

[gusty mirage]

Our best was 75.8% I think

[grim hornet]

ye, somehting like that, lemme ask my RL our record

[gusty mirage]

But usually low to mid 76% because someone inevitably dies to eating waves

Usually the hunter

Figure that one out for me

Can move and do damage

[spice spire]

75.8 is kinda blasting tho

[gusty mirage]

But somehow eats waves

[tribal mauve]

Do you vendetta twice ? p2

[gusty mirage]

Ye

[hollow river]

Wow

[gusty mirage]

I pop vendetta as I’m running to first burn

[hollow river]

We’re constantly phasing at 78%

[gusty mirage]

And I get it up for 2nd part of 2nd burn

[slow marsh]

Cuz hunters suck. That's why they are hunters.

[gusty mirage]

But the issue is, as @drifting cloud mentioned is it makes vendetta timings super tight in p3

Like if you hold it too long on a platform you lose an entire cast

[tribal mauve]

We do like 76.2 each pull

[hollow river]

Half the time we do all of p2 with 1 dead though

[gusty mirage]

So idk what to do, using it on the adds in first split seems kind of a waste

But I’ll have it up for colossus

But that’s a bit of boss dam we’re wasting if I do that

[tribal mauve]

I use it on sylv 1 then p3 insta

[grim hornet]

that's why i was telling you yesterday we are starting to wipe if get out into p2 with 0 combat ress

[gusty mirage]

Ye that ends up making p3 timings easier

[tribal mauve]

Yea

[gusty mirage]

Because I sometimes lose 3s on vendetta during 2nd burn

[tribal mauve]

At platform 3 i have vend+ flag up

[gusty mirage]

Seems kinda not worth

[tribal mauve]

Freedps

[subtle tundra]

timed 26 halls with this overall

like wtf

legit malding

[gusty mirage]

Frost mage throwing????

[subtle tundra]

not throwing

just how she plays.

[spice spire]

Seems low for the prot pally too

[gusty mirage]

Wdym it’s literally a 1 button rotation after you throw out an orb

[grim hornet]

Did u got the gargoyles Varas?

[subtle tundra]

ye

[grim hornet]

ê.ê

man sin pumping on halls, what a surprise tbh

[subtle tundra]

sin is good 🙂

its tilting me cause we can time 27s but not with this frost mage

[viscid spear]

ooooh, they don't expect you to do all the encounters for the Adventurer achievements

[polar cape]

@subtle tundra is that with zoldyck lego?

[subtle tundra]

obedience

[static rock]

who are some good sin rogue m+ key pushers to watch? ive been watching varas is there any more?

[gusty mirage]

Seli streams keys

[grim hornet]

RL answered, 75,4% is our record

[gusty mirage]

That’s huge damn

[gusty mirage]

He’s streaming right now ->

[static rock]

alright thanks checking it out

[gusty mirage]

Make sure to ask him for the Nova cam if available

Nova’s the best content ever

[subtle tundra]

😳

[gusty mirage]

We used to have ryfie but we lost him to the sub gang

So it’s just seli and varas now afaik

But luckily they’re gamers

[static rock]

is obedience fine for all keys? or is there any reason to craft zoldyck?

[subtle tundra]

if you play necro

[gusty mirage]

^ that

If you’re venthyr obe is probably the best 262 you can craft right away

[thorny pond]

It's def strong. Probably want to just do some hypothetical sims of yourself

[static rock]

in dslice zoldyck won as venthyr

[subtle tundra]

yes, for overall, its better

but the difference is not significant enough to warrant the ST loss/prio loss

[gusty mirage]

Varas spittin facts. Rogue’s job isn’t really extraordinary aoe

Like we’ll never do ww damage in aoe

[thorny pond]

If I am not top damage by at least 10% then the hell am I playing for?

[gusty mirage]

Just play ww monk

[thorny pond]

What's that?

[gusty mirage]

Green rogue

[normal mist]

A beyblade

[cerulean nest]

anyone have a recent fatescribe kill vid?

[gloomy knoll]

lets beybladeeeeeeeeee

monks beyblade days are over

sub rogue is the new king of spin

[normal mist]

Are they tho

[viscid spear]

Sub Rogues dab when they Shadowstrike

At least Human Females do

[gusty mirage]

You got any extra of that copium bro?

[gloomy knoll]

sure i'll mail you a tank

i got enough for 1 more patch

[gusty mirage]

Lmao

Don’t worry ww monk buffs coming in 9.2

Instead of 100k DPS in aoe they’re going to do 250k

Fire mage will probably find an extra 2k dps that was hiding somewhere yet again

[gloomy knoll]

lmao trueeeee

they go nerf mage

but then buff something else which makes it better than pre nerf

[rotund drift]

do we still want lots of crit and bit haste/mastery for m+?

havent played assa quite a while 😄

[gusty mirage]

Ye you stack crit

Haste kinda meh for m+ outside of ST dam

So you don’t really need a ton

[rotund drift]

im on 38 crit 20 haste and 24 mastery

could go 39 19 24 tho

[limber lion]

It doesn't matter

[gusty mirage]

Ye that dif isn’t going to change much of anything

Just top gear yourself with dungeon slice type sim and use that gear

Don’t stress about secondaries

Outside of crit they have very little impact and even then 38% is a good amount

[limber lion]

Dslice values single target/cleave options more generally, so you might see haste pick up

But I mean, stats don't matter too much. Just pick your highest ilvl gear and you're gucci

[gusty mirage]

Me when I see Cev posting in assa again:

[limber lion]

Routes, team, comp etc. matter much more than any stat number

[gusty mirage]

Welcome back king

[limber lion]

I've been here for days :'(

[gusty mirage]

I know but I just want to appreciate you even more

Always been your number one simp

[limber lion]

I still know my stuff

But eventually I'll hit a wall of ignorance

And I'll be as useful as roadkill

[spice spire]

I doubt that

If you return even casually I highly doubt it

[gusty mirage]

At least you’ll be significantly more handsome and definitely better smelling than roadkill

[indigo ginkgo]

did they they fix the assasin bug yet ? with nadjia ?

[spice spire]

No

[indigo ginkgo]

this indie company, change patch and bugged things that works fine , godd

[golden basalt]

they helped you by making the switch to theo more appealing

[indigo ginkgo]

do we have numbers on the dps loss from bug ?

~cuz if i sim the sim will give me number without bug

[slow marsh]

pins

use theotar

[indigo ginkgo]

the pins are not saying that , tahat why i asked

[balmy condor]

Nadjia was worse for most people before the bug

[slow marsh]

^

[balmy condor]

So now she’s Lowkey unplayable

[indigo ginkgo]

hehe

[slow marsh]

its like using draven

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[storm forum]

are we standing still draven players now?

[balmy condor]

We’re theotar players

Because theotar is good

And the other two are not

[indigo ginkgo]

oh i understand that but when we see the logs, nadjia steps up on everyone of them

before bug

[static rock]

Am I right in assuming we treat crimson tempest like garrote and rupture by refreshing during pandemic?

[balmy condor]

No, people just didn’t play theotar

[balmy condor]

Yes

As you get more targets you can refresh earlier and earlier

[indigo ginkgo]

so najia sub souldbind now ?

[slow marsh]

....

[balmy condor]

4+ you can refresh a little before pandemic, 8-10 you can refresh a couple seconds earlier than that

[balmy condor]

Nadjia is terrible man

Sub has played theotar all expansion

[indigo ginkgo]

asking becasuse with bug , maebe with that shit giving vers could be fine

ahaha

[balmy condor]

It worse

[static rock]

No theotar is better

[indigo ginkgo]

thanks for answers

[static rock]

Can you elaborate for me why we refresh it earlier with more targets?

[balmy condor]

Because instant damage on CT is good

[indigo ginkgo]

wasting energie qith more trget

[balmy condor]

Not good enough to just spam it over and over and over

[indigo ginkgo]

beter dump

[balmy condor]

But it’s good

[static rock]

Is there a certain target count when we make this decision?

[glass tulip]

new preview is pretty sick boys and girls

rogue tier set be lookin nice

[hollow river]

Where do I see the preview

Ok wowhead

[spice spire]

YouTube video

[hollow river]

Can we see the effects of the tier sets or just models

[golden basalt]

modelz only

[slow marsh]

the dk one is the best imo

but i'm happy with ours

[spice spire]

I like ours

Not thrilled with dagger but rest look good

[slow marsh]

it looked like there are color variations cuz i thought there was a darker black one but i could just be seeing things

[golden basalt]

yea probably per difficulty and maybe even since it seems to be tier sets for pvp and m+ as well

[slow marsh]

yeah makes sense. that's how tier sets have been in the past. was just saying that because what i assume is the mythic set looks cooler than that one

[hollow river]

Where’d u see dagger

Oh I see his message now

Whered you find that pic

[slow marsh]

yeah this looks way better

[viscid spear]

I love the black/gold

Also I discovered I had the Raw Dream Fibers in my bank this whole time, which is why they weren't showing up at the spot, so there's a cancelled ticket and a lot of embarassment.

[patent quartz]

!opener

[viscid spear]

So how does the zone/fp BoA item work, it's a toy. How's that work?

[hollow river]

There’s definitely gonna be different recolors

You can see a black recolor of a couple of them in the video

[viscid spear]

You know what the class needs? Orange

[slow marsh]

yeah i posted a pic just now of the black / gold

we had orange in ICC

[gusty mirage]

Finally an assassin’s creed mog

And y’all trippin over colors

SMH

[viscid spear]

Naw, the ICC set was a reddish brown

[gusty mirage]

Looked orange to me

[viscid spear]

Just a mess of red/brown and brown with maybe some orange on the face hole and the gem-things on the gloves.

The Sunwell Plateau set had some nice colors, but the overall set looked like a crime against fashion.

[hollow river]

Naw in the video I saw a couple that were just black and maybe a lil white

No gold

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

did my pic get deleted or something

[hollow river]

I see it

[spice spire]

You can find it in any of the guides

!guide

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ezio-gif-22652502

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hollow river]

With the 5-6 classes

[hollow river]

This pic? Has gold

[slow marsh]

well maybe it's not dark black but close enough

[hollow river]

In the vid I saw a dk and something else, all black

Idk these sets look weird

Not bad though

[slow marsh]

yeah some are def better than others

i like our glow face tho. might be the first head i actually show

[viscid spear]

Not a fan of the gems on it, the blue/green clashes with the rest

[hollow river]

Our shoulders look like leveling gear

[slow marsh]

inb4 whisp actually goes insane with all the double leggo combo predictions

[viscid spear]

The Druid helm lookalike in Firelands Normal has a similar look, not as great looking as this new one but still the only one I see with this effect.

[tribal mauve]

isnt it covenant leg + another one

@slow marsh

[hollow river]

Have they said anything about doh or leggos?

I heard we can craft tier pieces

As bad luck protection

[slow marsh]

yeah i guess in chinese interview they confirmed double oranges

which to them is legendaries

[tribal mauve]

someone in my guild said covenant leg + another one

[hollow river]

Can farm the pieces somehow

NF bout to be bis

[slow marsh]

obedience and duskwalker could actually be nasty

duskwalker would pretty easily put vend on 1min

it's pretty close right now

[hollow river]

Oh shit

[slow marsh]

it'll just depend on what tier set does and what the new grind thing does

[viscid spear]

So we can only kill 8/11 in the first week, the 8th boss happens to be Anduin, and Danuser specifically stated that they hadn't done something like this since ICC.

Know what means?

[cerulean nest]

sorry asking again. can anyone send a recent fatescribe kill?

[toxic quail]

you just want logs?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Q3HNKWcYRFd8JkX2#fight=12&type=damage-done

thats from my kill last night

since we have him on farm i went zoldyck to mess around

other rogue ran Obedience

[spice spire]

What’s the logic on zoldyck

I get trying new legendaries

Just don’t see why

That

[slow marsh]

burn phase?

[frosty bridge]

wajt

[viscid spear]

Did someone say something about double leggos?

[frosty bridge]

is 2 leggos confirmed?

[toxic quail]

execute on boss and adds. haha why not? i said he is on farm so why not just have fun?

[dawn ivy]

yeah

[slow marsh]

yeah it is confirmed in chinese interview

[spice spire]

https://twitter.com/limitpreheat/status/1458866011365593090?s=21

Preheat 💙 (@LimitPreheat)

Double legendary is confirmed in the CN interview: https://t.co/TeMUFWkgGl

Apologies for the bad translation via google

Twitter · Nov 11, 2021, 6:35 PM

[viscid spear]

That explains that comment before about Whisp going insane figuring out combos

RIP in piece Sanity

[spice spire]

Yeah

[frosty bridge]

what

can't wait to run tiny toxic blade

[hollow river]

Oh shit

[viscid spear]

They're going to make it easier to swap Covs, right?

[hollow river]

2 leggos confirmed

[small basin]

?

lol

[spice spire]

It’s already free swap

Once you hit 80

[viscid spear]

I meant easier than having to go to oribos each time and reapply the right Soulbind

[spice spire]

Oh sure. Idk

New based I’d assume so

[viscid spear]

Wondering how Obed & DS would work

[spice spire]

Wdym

[viscid spear]

just thinking up the leggo combos

[hexed frost]

Doomblade and Zyldock

[viscid spear]

All the poisons & bleeds, son

[dawn ivy]

honestly a bit worried about sin

there are some specs that have leggo combos that would make them bonkers insane

[viscid spear]

Also a free lvl 60 boost

[slow marsh]

DS wont be as good cuz no frost set

sin will be nuts wym

[viscid spear]

Oh, the Shards system is going away in 9.2?

[slow marsh]

we get 1 min flag and 1 min vendetta

[hollow river]

Free?

[frosty bridge]

Wouldn't be surprised to see Doomblade + Obe

[frosty bridge]

huh?

[slow marsh]

i'm telling you people are sleeping on dust

maybe people just don't know it exists

[viscid spear]

"There comes a time in every hero’s journey when they need a helping hand to get them over the hump and right back into the action. With the Level 60 Character Boost*, you can instantly grant one character a one-time boost to level 60, so they’re ready to get back into action with the latest content Shadowlands has to offer and prepare for the continuing story in Eternity’s End. Bring your hero up to speed and get ready for your next thrilling adventure!"

[hollow river]

Would def be dashing+obe

[frosty bridge]

Doubt it with frost set going away

I mean who knows obviously

[viscid spear]

Not free, my bad

[slow marsh]

yeah it would be doom over dashing

[hollow river]

Ok true

[fleet anchor]

Dashing was already good. Doomblade and Dashing are close.

100% depends on tier set bonus

[hollow river]

Ye

[fleet anchor]

Imo

[hollow river]

Indeed

[quasi venture]

duskwalker meta change my mind

[fleet anchor]

We will have no idea until we see the set bonuses

[slow marsh]

ye dashing was close and there was tech that with poison bomb procs dashing was better

[fleet anchor]

They will determine everything

[slow marsh]

without knowing

it's obed dustwallker

[hexed frost]

They said it'll be cov leggo with another leggo. From hunter discord

[slow marsh]

baseline

[golden basalt]

hunters arent reliable

[hexed frost]

So RIP necro if it's cov leggo

[fleet anchor]

Whatever combo interacts with set bonus wins

[frosty bridge]

Wouldn't be surprised to have 4 piece to be something with Vendetta

Duskwalker meta inc

[golden basalt]

makes no sense for it to be cov leggo

[viscid spear]

Wonder what kind of things we'll get

[slow marsh]

It's 100% dustwalker meta

[limber lion]

MA is my favorite legendary

Too bad they added the talent in bfa

[viscid spear]

Is it a set bonus for each spec or just general overall?

[limber lion]

I would be down to play MA 100% of the time

like in Legion

[limber lion]

Usually for the class.

I mean

[fleet anchor]

Duskwalker was rarely used in 2 leggo combos even in Legion. Wouldn’t expect it being the default.

[golden basalt]

While inside Zereth Mortis or Sepulcher of The First Ones, each time you deal a critical strike, the Winds accumulate 9% of that effect, up to a cap of 180 per critical strike.

Every 20 sec, the Winds unleash, dealing Frost damage equal to the total accumulation and surrounding you in the Winds for 20 sec, absorbing 100% of damage dealt by the Winds.

new tier set revelead

dashing is BiS

[thorny pond]

lel

[viscid spear]

One of them will be something poison-related, lmao

[limber lion]

I meant to say that

Usually it's been one tier set for the entire class

[thorny pond]

Probably 2pc is something that affects each spec slightly differently, 4pc universal

[limber lion]

But the effect itself is dynamic for the spec

[cerulean nest]

wanted a video more. just to visualize some of the timing and positioning etc.

[limber lion]

So you don't need a different set for each spec

[frosty bridge]

When the target has Garrote, Rupture and Deadly Poison on them Envenom restores 20 energy

[fleet anchor]

Realistically Doomblade/Dashing + Obedience/Kyrian is the most likely outcome depending on if the set bonus is generators, poisons, or finisher related.

[limber lion]

The set will just do different things depending on your spec.

[limber lion]

I'm putting my money on Toxic Onslaught

[fleet anchor]

Like that’s just the logical combo

[viscid spear]

With Danuser referencing ICC as the inspiration for the new raid, I was hoping tier sets would be like then where each spec of each class had one

[limber lion]

They'll do something to NF to make it bis again

[frosty bridge]

wont tier sets be spec specific?

Or will they just change Adrenaline rush to vendetta in the next when you change specs

[limber lion]

They talked about class sets

Here's what Dashing Scoundrel looked like in Legion

One set for all 3 specs

[drowsy parcel]

they gotta add some more covenant specific legendaries, they cant do my boy like this

[limber lion]

and changes dynamically depending which spec you play.

[frosty bridge]

Yeah, that's how i imagined it

[viscid spear]

AH yeah, that makes sense

[limber lion]

imagine if we had tier sets for every single spec

[golden basalt]

wouldnt be too surprised if the tier sets where centered around the general class abilities due to the unpruning

[limber lion]

that would be loot hell

[viscid spear]

Wasn't that ICC tho?

[frosty bridge]

Azerite armor!!!

[limber lion]

That's not how Azerite Armor worked though :p

Azerite armor was basically an amped up tier set

[fleet anchor]

🤢

[limber lion]

but instead of a set bonus you get 3 separate effects

[limber lion]

hey Koji

have fun

[frosty bridge]

Yeh, I am just glad it's not Shards of dom 2.0

[limber lion]

power be with you

I'll be praying for you

[fleet anchor]

I will wait and see what things look like

Then I’ll make the new APL

[limber lion]

Better start simming those double leggos soon

[fleet anchor]

Then I’ll retire to Malibu

[viscid spear]

No one answered that, is the Shards system going away in 9.2?

[slow marsh]

yes

only works in maw and torg

[limber lion]

spec channels will be flooded close to release

[fleet anchor]

I mean we can already sim this stuff so as soon as we know how it works we can start testing but like

[slow marsh]

tier set

will change it all

[limber lion]

Tell Mystler to send his ultimate sim bot to work

[viscid spear]

Lot of smelly unwashed theorists in each spec channel

[limber lion]

and figure out the best combo

[fleet anchor]

Most probably is the boring combos end op being best like Doomblade and Obe

[limber lion]

yeh probably

sadness

[slow marsh]

noipe

dust

and obed

[golden basalt]

what would be a fun combo

[slow marsh]

1 min spec

[viscid spear]

I want some insane combo out of left field

[limber lion]

nightstalker + MA lego + Toxic Onslaught

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

take me home

country roads

[fleet anchor]

What synergy does that allow?

[limber lion]

nothing

[fleet anchor]

Toxic has no interaction with Vendetta 😄

[limber lion]

but I'm betting on Blizzard buffing either Sepsis or TO by a bunch

[small basin]

nightstalker lul

[fleet anchor]

Vanish CDR is the only thing that would make NF good

[limber lion]

agree

[gloomy knoll]

ep mfd obedience doomblade

[limber lion]

however

[gloomy knoll]

give it to me

[limber lion]

Night Fae has been the worst covenant for us for too long

[viscid spear]

Deathly Shadows + Invigorating Shadowdust

[limber lion]

gotta bring it back

[fleet anchor]

Venthyr only gonna get better with base % Vers/Haste

[gloomy knoll]

venth rogue scaling

[limber lion]

I can't wait for Venthyr to die

[lethal saffron]

any tiny toxic blade fans

[gloomy knoll]

whaaaat

1 minute flags

[limber lion]

I'm bored of Venthyr

[gloomy knoll]

with doomblade

will be pog

[slow marsh]

doomblade out

[fleet anchor]

Kyrian could be good tbh if the set bonus interacts with finishers

[slow marsh]

dustwalker in

[small basin]

doomblade is boring

wowww more dmg

[limber lion]

I hate ER

don't do it to me

[frosty bridge]

Necrolord 0 DPS from Deathspike sadly in ST :(

[gloomy knoll]

god i don't want kyrian sin

ever

[frosty bridge]

Kyrian Sin perhaps

but please no

[gloomy knoll]

EVER

[frosty bridge]

Honestly, wouldn't mind Sin NF next tier at all

[fleet anchor]

Honestly been playing Kyrian sub and the leggo is pretty fun ngl

[viscid spear]

[frosty bridge]

Yeah, Kyrian sub is fun

But we don't benefit from the CDR like Sub

[dawn ivy]

wait necro bloodfang doomblade

[slow marsh]

kyrian probs doesn't ever work for sin

can't hit 2cp

[limber lion]

Have you looked into cp generator chances? Which spec has the hardest time hitting 2cp, sub?

[golden basalt]

doomblade + zoldyck + BS for uber executez

[slow marsh]

so unless

[lethal saffron]

blindside kyrian

[frosty bridge]

Shiv crit from 0 CP lel

[slow marsh]

the other 3 hit mega hard

and you jsut waste the 2cp

[fleet anchor]

2cp sucks to hit

[limber lion]

I don't want to get into the

Shiv

oh no 1 cp

garrote at 20s

[frosty bridge]

Poisoned dagger

[small basin]

poison knife duh

[limber lion]

just to get to 2cp

[fleet anchor]

Surprisingly 4cp is hard to hit for Sub too lol

[limber lion]

ouch

[lethal saffron]

2cp can be annoying for sub too

[fleet anchor]

You leapfrog 4cp a lot

[limber lion]

Sounds like an annoying covenant

:''''')

[small basin]

well you can never hit 2 cp as outlaw if you have broadside

[lethal saffron]

eh u got 45 seconds to hit all 4

[frosty bridge]

just make combopoints 6 seperate buffs that you can cancelaura

individually

[hollow river]

So they’re saying it’s 1 cov leggo and 1 reg

[limber lion]

To be honest, I just hate the Kyrian signature ability

[hollow river]

TO ftw

[limber lion]

I couldn't care less about a dumb owl

and his potion

[spice spire]

Same Cev

[dawn ivy]

alright thats too far

[small basin]

more useful than door of shadows

tho

[limber lion]

YOOHOO!

stfu

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

wouldn't mind soulshape tbh

[dawn ivy]

i agrtee with hating on reprimand

[slow marsh]

if they fix sepsis

[frosty bridge]

What about Zoldyck + Bloodfang

[dawn ivy]

BUT THE OWL IS TOO FAR

[spice spire]

🛑

[frosty bridge]

wait no

[slow marsh]

unless there is a big execute fight

i dont see zold as an option

[hollow river]

Think it’s gonna be 1 cov and 1 reg

[limber lion]

I just enjoy Soulshape so much

[frosty bridge]

Yeye

[limber lion]

too bad I enjoy torturing myself for maximum dps more than that

[small basin]

soulshape is great

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

people are saying its confirmed that one has to be covenant

[frosty bridge]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/double-legendary-restrictions-covenant-legendary-one-and-torghast-no-longer-324852

4 minutes ago

"In addition, with their advance in Zereth Mortis players will have the opportunity not only to equip the legendary item linked to their Congregation but also any other legendary simultaneously. You will therefore be able to wear two legendary items at a time, one from each category, at the end of your journey."

Congregation

[slow marsh]

yeet

venth stonks rising

[spice spire]

Toxic onslaught

[strange python]

necro leggo still bugged right

[slow marsh]

unless they make new cov leggo necro is dead

[spice spire]

Correct

[slow marsh]

or tier set interacts with sbs i guess

since it does give you more charges

[spice spire]

It is next to negligible ST

[slow marsh]

It'd have to be huge

yeah

[bleak sky]

sin stonks up?

[slow marsh]

i'm sticking with obed dustwalker

final answer

[bleak sky]

obe + doomblade I guess?

[spice spire]

It’ll be obe + x more than likely

Depends on tier sets

[bleak sky]

I want more info and I want it now blizz 😠

[viscid spear]

RIP to all the classes that have awful leggos for their Covenant

[bleak sky]

rip dks

[spice spire]

NL dream dead

[bleak sky]

venthyr dh might be juicy

[spice spire]

Venthyr dh is already

[bleak sky]

yea but

[viscid spear]

Was just checking in on DK Discord, it's a ton of Copium going around

[bleak sky]

cov leggo + reset eye beam leggo for the giga roulette procs

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Maybe our tier set will save us

~DK

So what now, Obed + ???

[slow marsh]

dust

[viscid spear]

[slow marsh]

1 min obed

1min vendetta

ggs

[spice spire]

It depends on tier sets

[slow marsh]

nope

trust

dustwalker

crafting it right now

[limber lion]

1 min vendetta?

[spice spire]

No real reason to tc until you get full info

[limber lion]

keep dreaming big boy

[spice spire]

You’re right Cev

[slow marsh]

it's already close to 1min

big boy

[spice spire]

45 second vendettas

[limber lion]

exactly

[slow marsh]

even juicier

[limber lion]

we would do better without obedience

[hexed frost]

Necro rogue is dead now

[slow marsh]

kyrian stonks rising?

[spice spire]

Stop

[limber lion]

I mean it's definitely plausible that Kyrian becomes good

[slow marsh]

the onnly thing for certain

[spice spire]

Might wanna edit that one chief

[slow marsh]

is that necro is dead

[spice spire]

Weird people on the net get mad over weird things

[limber lion]

rip necro

[hexed frost]

Gamer word removed

[frosty bridge]

rip

[spice spire]

I know what you meant

Clearly typo. But yeah Necro dead Unfort

My One true love is gone

Frost mage main ig

[fleet whale]

you cannot kill what is already dead

[slow marsh]

sure you can

make it use cov leggo

[hollow river]

I kinda hope Obe doesn’t come out on top

[frosty bridge]

Overdose on copium then

[hollow river]

I think rogue leggos will need buffs though for us to keep up

Unless our tier set is insane

[slow marsh]

no shot

[fleet whale]

I may be mistaken but aren't rogues in a really good spot rn?

haven't played in a few months

[slow marsh]

yes but it's more cuz shards

kinda

[hollow river]

Our leggos aren’t very good compared to other classes like mage and boomie

[small basin]

obediance is pretty solid

[limber lion]

Sure