assassination

[hollow river]

And maybe not pressing feint

[shy nest]

I pressed 7 times

with feint

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_-mYuO8MCc

[hollow river]

You can feint 24 times in p3

I’m not saying you should feint 24 times

But there’s more than 7 things you can get DR on

[shy nest]

Yeah I can feint alot more for sure

[drifting cloud]

can you link 80% log

if possible

[shy nest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HmrFKTDbyC26YdB3/#fight=7&type=auras&source=10&phase=4

[hollow river]

You can crimson vial more as well

[shy nest]

hmm okey

guess more fleshcraft

?

[hollow river]

Wdym

[drifting cloud]

looks like your healer are struggling on 3rd platform

[shy nest]

hmm intrresting

[hollow river]

Idk if you can get more fleshcraft casts off in p3 than you did

[shy nest]

Yeah felt like I had good usage of fleshcraft, but to be sure 🙂

[drifting cloud]

its a sample size of 2 so not super relevant

but sure can always just use totem or something if youve got it

[hollow river]

Did your guild just start getting into p3?

If so, they just need to optimize healing a bit maybe

Or healers need to get used to the phase itself

[drifting cloud]

its a 45% wipe

😛

[shy nest]

yeah 45% wipe

[hollow river]

That sucks

Then they should have everything more or less under control if you’ve seen p3 a fair amount of times

[shy nest]

it did

was so deprresso

[hollow river]

Mist weaver should be cranking shouldn’t they??

I thought that was the highest throughput healer atm

But they’re lowest HPS

[drifting cloud]

but yeah you got hit by death knives 3? times in this try

and nobody else got hit

2 times*

[shy nest]

hmm okey! good to know, I gotta have more look out for death knives

[hollow river]

That’s the knives with the grey lines on the floor correct?

[shy nest]

yea

[hollow river]

That kinda target a couple players

[drifting cloud]

nah, its 2 different ids

1st one is the ticking dmg on the people that get lines, 2nd one is people that get hit by the knives going out

[hollow river]

?

Yeah no I figured that part

I wasn’t saying maybe he was targeted by lines

Just clarifying which mechanic it was for myself

My guild is gonna make it to p3 this week!

[gusty mirage]

I almost summit1g’d my monitor last night

[drifting cloud]

wtf oxi

[hollow river]

Bro I wanted to all night

We cancelled raid

[gusty mirage]

My mental fortitude can’t handle 100 more wipes on this man

We had a hunter disengage INTO the arrows in p1

[hollow river]

This boss is fucking snore fest man i don’t get it

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

I can literally get out of my chair during intermission and go light a cigarette

[gusty mirage]

A mage who just ran off the bridge three pulls in a row

[hollow river]

But people are dying in intermission

[drifting cloud]

the bridges can be funny if people arent aware

[gusty mirage]

A pally who died to rive

Four times

[drifting cloud]

you can walk off it for like 0.5s before its formed

[gusty mirage]

Bro just fucking BUBBLE

[drifting cloud]

even tho it looks completed

[hollow river]

Yep DHs can’t leap too too early

[gusty mirage]

Tank hit colossus crew with the frontal twice

[hollow river]

They’ll fall through it

[gusty mirage]

Our boomie colossus side decided to go soak on his own during veil

[hollow river]

[drifting cloud]

do you have a roar during that veil

[gusty mirage]

We just stack and side step

[hollow river]

“I was ramping!~!~!~!~!~”

[gusty mirage]

He decided to not follow the rest of us

[gusty mirage]

He’s fae

[drifting cloud]

yeah but you know what can happen atleast I t hink I figured it out a week ago

[hollow river]

No excuse then

[gusty mirage]

Other side has a lock gate

[timid cloud]

You ever just seen a Warrior charge into his chains even with the WA that highlights which one is his so he can avoid it?

[drifting cloud]

if 1st and last veil spawn on your side

you cant make it

without roar, even the nerfed one

[hollow river]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

Nah our warrior decides to face tank adds without die by the sword up

[hollow river]

Heroic leap, charge, you fucking name it I’ve watched a warrior do it to his own chain

[gusty mirage]

I just can’t man

I’m broken mentally

[hollow river]

Same

[timid cloud]

[drifting cloud]

was your guild ce last tier?

[hollow river]

I don’t wanna quit after CE

[gusty mirage]

But we’re finally seeing more and more of p3

Yeah they were

But they needed an obscene amount of pulls for denathrius

[hollow river]

Passed us up already ):

[drifting cloud]

its a symptom of this raid, since its so easy to get to sylvn

you just make the difference there

[timid cloud]

I think we did 250 on Sire & that felt like a lot.

[gusty mirage]

I think they were around 265?

[drifting cloud]

like my friends guild is starting kt this week, I genuiely think this current version of sylvn isnt killable for them

[hollow river]

Yeah since it’s so easy you could have a couple bad players hiding in your raid until you reach sylv

[gusty mirage]

Good group of dudes but holy shit we’re all dumb as shit at dif moments. Myself included lol

[drifting cloud]

and they were 2k+ in cn

[hollow river]

But tbh sylv seems easy as fuck too idk

[timid cloud]

It’s supposedly one of the easiest ones since Xavius.

[hollow river]

Nyalotha was pretty easy wasn’t it?

From what I’m told

[drifting cloud]

nah, this is easier

[hollow river]

Wow

[drifting cloud]

by alot

[gusty mirage]

Case in point:

https://clips.twitch.tv/DarlingAdventurousPhoneHotPokket-qlwiCjsDYhiaoShi

[drifting cloud]

nyalotha was just nerfed so much 6months in because of vendor

and everything else

think our nzoth pull count was 250

[timid cloud]

Yeah, but you couldn’t really outgear N’zoth. Like you can with this.

[drifting cloud]

sylvn was 110 and that felt like we inted 20 pulls

[hollow river]

Idk CN was easy too but I only saw 5/10 because I was in a feeder guild and had just started playing

[gusty mirage]

There were two waves of pretty hefty nerfs for nyalotha weren’t there?

[drifting cloud]

well theres the usual nerfs when hof closes, which just vary from tier to tier

[timid cloud]

Then again, NYA had some silly shit. You ever seen a tank one shot a mythic tentacle or two downstairs & almost solo the boss? I have.

[drifting cloud]

then they usually nerf bosses 1-2 after, but yeah just depends on the tier

sire didnt really need a nerf so he got that last phase % very very late on

[gusty mirage]

I’m just tryin to make the homies proud

[drifting cloud]

then you had jaina where the nerfs made last phase into heroic

[gusty mirage]

And it’s costing me everything

[timid cloud]

That Sire nerf actually made things worse if anything.

[drifting cloud]

what

[hollow river]

Wdym

[timid cloud]

Just weird timings & an extra blade for CD’s at the time.

[drifting cloud]

how is giving you extra 15s to dps him down in p2 worse

[timid cloud]

Our CD’s weren’t up for that phase basically. It just took some adjusting but it was still annoying.

[drifting cloud]

I mean that just means you didnt have enough dps

to push him into p3 pre-nerf

[timid cloud]

Trust me, I know.

[drifting cloud]

that sire nerf was as far as boss nerfs go, probably the best thing they could have done on him

without making the fight even worse

[oak sky]

I wish i did sire

On mythic

[timid cloud]

I did it on Hunter before Rogue, boy was that not fun.

[drifting cloud]

you didnt miss much

p3 was nice, rest was shit

2nd half of p2 was literally heroic

[oak sky]

I had fun on heroic for the most part

[drifting cloud]

and p1 is complete dogshit

[timid cloud]

Loved getting gripped across the room.

P1 was just a phase. LOL.

It’s just there because it has to be.

[drifting cloud]

it was 3min long and you were holding dps on prog

[timid cloud]

Even though it crowded the room & griefed half of your pulls simply because of how unoptimized it was.

Causing full raid wide server lag.

[loud jungle]

Is it all sub all the time in m+ even after next week?

pls say no

pls say sin is poggies

[balmy condor]

Target cap removal probably won’t have any effect on the balance of the specs

[loud jungle]

yeah i know

[subtle tundra]

just make ww better 🙂

[loud jungle]

i wish i liked sub rota in keys better

it just feels so bad to me for some reason

[subtle tundra]

i got my first 1 score playing with my guildies yay

[gilded belfry]

Does IQD sim correctly? Odd question, but the 236 IQD ive been carrying around in my bags for ages never looking at is simming over 200dps higher than a 239 fusion amp? Seems weird

[balmy condor]

It does, yes

[thick sail]

Are there specific ideal windows to use IQD or should we basically just blow it on CD?

Also, is it optimal to start a boss fight with Vendetta, assuming you've spent a bit of energy so you get value from the Regen?

[gilded belfry]

I mean I may just macro it to Shiv

[drifting cloud]

200 dps sounds like some double on use shenanigans

it shouldnt be anywhere near that, 239 fusion while not great is an okay trinket

[gilded belfry]

other trink is a 252 phial. I dunno looked strange to me

[drifting cloud]

can you link the sim

[gilded belfry]

see if this works https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cGvFbG88q7g52ASk14Bfn7

[drifting cloud]

90s sim

[gilded belfry]

duh

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

With vendetta as long as you don’t miss a cast

[balmy condor]

Not sure what this means

[gilded belfry]

Thanks, almost wasted a couple weeks of valor there

[balmy condor]

Like vendetta on pull?

[thick sail]

Not on pull, just after garrote and a 5 point rupture

Is what I've been doing

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Why wouldn’t you do that

[strange python]

Man.

I just got killed by a Bastion ram. whatever their name is.

[solar stump]

sin will be poggies :3

we play sin and we be pog

[hoary remnant]

Like as sub we start using FoN as soon as we can hit two targets right?

[gray fjord]

Pretty sure 3 and more is when you FoN, since Mutilate has 2 chances to grant an extra seal fate CP, meaning it can generate 4 if both hits crit and does more damage than FoK on 2

[hoary remnant]

ok

didnt play assa since legion

just sub this tier

[gray fjord]

Yeah I knew sub does Storm on 2 targets when outside of dance since backstab only generates 1 CP, but mutilate can already generate 4 which is the most a FoK on 2 targets can do anyhow and does less damage.

I kinda dabble in Sub for keys and Sin for raid so I'm sure some of the sin mains can chime in. xD

[hoary remnant]

ok yeah look just at the fon damage and does more hitting two targets then mutilate, but forgot about the crit bonus

ill just wanna be able to have good logs on all 3 specs so gonna try it tomorrow in hc if its something different and fun Ill try it in mythic

first bosses doesnt matter anyways what spec

and ty for the info

[gray fjord]

For sure, I like trying to stay up on all 3 specs where I can, though you are right that FoK hitting 2 targets does to a tiny bit more damage than Mutilate, my bad. ^^; It still generates less CP potentially than Mutilate since it potentially can net 3 CP if it crits on 2 targets (due to the extra 2 from SF) but Mutilate always generates 2 and can get up to 4 if both stabs crit.

[oak sky]

seems unlikely that we would fok in 2t really ever

[gray fjord]

There was a time in Legion that I think it was a meme build, but yeah I didn't think so in current tuning

[brazen zodiac]

I fok in st and get 4 combo points but fok in the big pull in DoS ardenweed portion and get 1 combo

Fok cursed idk

[gray fjord]

xD

[brazen zodiac]

Hi agreonononom

[oak sky]

yeah i meant rn

hi

tuning would have to change on fok to use it in 2t

[slow marsh]

you only fan to generate at 4. you fan at 3 to apply poisons only

[slow marsh]

3 if deadly isn't already up and 4 to generate

[gray fjord]

Ah, thank you Iceblades. I pretty much use assassination exclusively in raid and haven’t touched m+ with it so I wasn’t 100% positive ^^;

[slow marsh]

ah yeah no prob at all. i wish fok was better but yeah rn its just kinda meh because of how the cp gen actually works on it

[brazen zodiac]

@balmy condor I FOUND IT

THE KYRIAN DRUID

[balmy condor]

Is it Jez?

[cerulean nest]

bruh why does my target change when i press vanish

so irritating

[oak sky]

what?

[cerulean nest]

my target switches almost every time i press vanish

idk how to fix it or why it happens

[oak sky]

i never really get that huh

[hollow river]

whats a good % range on p2 1st burn

[drifting cloud]

uhm like 81

[hollow river]

kk

[drifting cloud]

1st burn is slower usually I guess

[oak sky]

that sounds right

since p3 start under 77 is pretty cofortable

our raid didnt really think about the damage, i would think for most guilds as you prog and people die less the damage just comes

[hollow river]

yeah ik was just curious

[drifting cloud]

yeah just somewhere 80-81 is good enough

like 3.5% on 1st one, 4.5% on 2nd one and thats more than enough

[gusty mirage]

soon

[hollow river]

nice bro

i'm dying inside

things aren't going great

by the end of this ill be ready to dip out too lmao

[oak sky]

31.3%

?????

[hollow river]

thats how WCL breaks down 100%-45%

[oak sky]

mmm gotcha

[hollow river]

it counts it as 100% boss fight

[ebon notch]

Bro on our reclear we wiped at least once on every boss

We wiped on the eye twice

Lost my mind

[oak sky]

nodders

[brazen zodiac]

@oak sky

[oak sky]

yo

[brazen zodiac]

were u the person who said

"u always get the bis first kill"

[oak sky]

no idea

dont think so

[brazen zodiac]

it was u

lmfao

i got the helm from fatescribe on my first kill just now

lmfao

[oak sky]

oh

oh

yeah i was just saying

you actually have like every piece

for where ur in the raid

[timid cloud]

Big luck.

[brazen zodiac]

still no heroic dagger tho lul

gonna try after raid

my gear feels weird lately

idk amybe im just a dogshit rogue

[oak sky]

u have everything except endboss loot

and heroic sylv dagger

[brazen zodiac]

my mythic parses are so dogshit

feelsbad

i stil ldont have guardian trinket which sucks

[oak sky]

oh right

forgot that existed

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

it sucks cause we savin lockouts so i dont even have a shot for a hot minute

also https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wRjueqnYrD8PmFhjqjuTst feels weird

with ct ig but doin KT now so guessin i should run ct

[oak sky]

YOU GOT AVOIDANCE

??????????????????????????

[brazen zodiac]

YEAH

LOLD

IDK

GOD BELSSED ME WTHIS WEEK

GOT A JOB

GOT PAID

GOT NEW CLOTHES

[oak sky]

ok anyway

pb would sim like 300 dps higher for st

[brazen zodiac]

yeah for sure

[oak sky]

but you still play ct on kt

[brazen zodiac]

mhm

[slow marsh]

and mfd 😄

[brazen zodiac]

idk ive been trying mfd and it feels meh

i think im just fuckin up tbh

[hollow river]

I mean if it sims better in pure ST even just using it on CD and lining with flag is fine

Getting resets on adds is just an added bonus. You get comfortable with it pretty quickly.

Especially if you played necrolord at all before

[brazen zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r2LwviTsqrmKYsUmfVxVuS

hm

[timid cloud]

Idk if I’d do it on KT, just seems too aids.

[gusty mirage]

@oak sky helpin our boy grom

[oak sky]

[brazen zodiac]

idk should i rly be takin ct if im downstairs partying

[timid cloud]

Which stats are on that?

[oak sky]

yes

[gusty mirage]

yes

[timid cloud]

Also you still do.

[oak sky]

you just press it when the adds are up or whatever

[timid cloud]

Because you can feed into your winds of winter from the small adds.

[gusty mirage]

ye and they should melt pretty quick for fat procs on KT

[brazen zodiac]

hm

[timid cloud]

With glacial a too.

[oak sky]

its mostly because you can safely pad since none of your damage matters lol

[timid cloud]

True.

[oak sky]

and then yeah that chance of funneling your winds into boss is good

[timid cloud]

Sometimes you get a fatty winds into the remnant.

Then your topside gets mad.

[gusty mirage]

happened ot me a few times

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

just a casual 88k crit

[timid cloud]

Happened to me today.

[gusty mirage]

"HOLD DPS"

[timid cloud]

Yeah the 90k hit

[gusty mirage]

frost shards are like naw fam

[timid cloud]

LMAO

[oak sky]

sometimes a winds crit slams a tank add

[hollow river]

HOLD THIS WINDS PROC BBY

[spice spire]

Frost shards all gas no breaks

Finally t5 today

[gusty mirage]

same shit happened tonight on sylv

"HOLD DPS"

watched the little projectile hit her

whoops

[timid cloud]

SENDING THAT FUCKING GLACIAL SPIKE OUT LIKE I’M A FROST MAGUS!

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

T5 UH first

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Quake rn:

[oak sky]

kekg

[spice spire]

Bro if only you knew

[gusty mirage]

sylv dies soon

then I ride off into the sunset

bro why is he CTing on ST @oak sky

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

grom moment

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

dashing player

grom usually holds flag for vendetta too

unless he changed

yeah hes doing it rn

[brazen zodiac]

ive asked this before but idk if its diff for kt but if im runnin obedience mfd do i cast ct off pandemic

[gusty mirage]

tbh he's still doing pretty well for not being uber into optimizing his rogue

[oak sky]

yeah with obedience you ct outside shiv

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't worry about pandemic refreshing CT

[brazen zodiac]

i ekepg ettin caught up tryna keep the envenom buff up

but if i remember correctly u dont gotta with obi right

[gusty mirage]

you'll keep it up naturally

[oak sky]

oh my god he gets such good pad

no ww

[gusty mirage]

his DH is kinda pepega

[oak sky]

oh he only did like 12k

[brazen zodiac]

i feel giga energy starved lmfao

[oak sky]

pool

[brazen zodiac]

i remember seeing cev say somethin about pooling till 30 but

idk for sure

[oak sky]

max-30

[brazen zodiac]

30 m-1 or somethin

[oak sky]

so like

90 energy with mfd or bs/ds

140 with vigor i think

[gusty mirage]

sheesh pooling to 90 w/ bs/ds?

then you get a bs proc

and energy cap

[oak sky]

problem?

[spice spire]

Won’t get 30 energy in a global oxi

[oak sky]

[brazen zodiac]

hm

maybe im silly

i dont get it

[gusty mirage]

you won't?

[brazen zodiac]

i dont wannac ast an ability really till like 90ish energy?

[oak sky]

its just envenom

[spice spire]

Should t with bs/ds, yeah?

[gusty mirage]

wanna check my guardian log?

[drifting cloud]

dont swap talents for guardian problem solved

[oak sky]

[drifting cloud]

I kill the boss 4:15 every week already getting fucked there

screw the 100 dps talent

[timid cloud]

I've gone ST sim without BS/DS for 2 weeks now & it just feels so griefed.

We also kill at 4:45

[drifting cloud]

4:45 would own

[spice spire]

Ryler based

[timid cloud]

I go FEELCRAFT next time.

[spice spire]

Mather out with vigor + 21% haste and I’m getting 10/s on avg.

Guess unlucky king

[gusty mirage]

if you lust pull its a wrap

I just pool to like 70

its more than enough tbh

[oak sky]

i mean yeah pooling isnt an actual exact rule

[spice spire]

I mean I agree I usually do a 70-90 pull. But also feel like spec doesn’t require that much introspection

“Literally plays itself”

[gusty mirage]

truuuuuu

I think next week I go fishing before raid

toss a fish on the keyboard and afk

[spice spire]

Yeah

Think you easily get 90+s with it

[slow marsh]

you gonna roll outlaw or what

[gusty mirage]

ye get me a 252 mh and I will

[slow marsh]

bro i just have a 246

[gusty mirage]

yeah I got a 246 pox

I could make it work

[slow marsh]

that's what i use

[gusty mirage]

I'm just iffy at changing anything rn

the juju is flowing

[slow marsh]

fair

[brazen zodiac]

who do u usually roll with with nerco

gonna do some fun sims with nerco

[spice spire]

Heirmir

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

i just told them whats in the pins

[balmy condor]

Yeah

I mean sims pool to specific values

But the difference between pooling and not pooling is like 0.8%

So the difference between pooling to say 70, and 100

Is like

SUPER whatever

Probably margin

[oak sky]

then why did you PepeLa me

[subtle tundra]

he pepelaughs everyone smh

[balmy condor]

Cause I felt like it

Why you think I got myself one

[oak sky]

i guess i had just ratioed my last L

and whispyr wanted to show everyone i fell off

[balmy condor]

• you play frost set

• cringe emote in name

[subtle tundra]

wow whispyr never knew you were like this...

you're different...

[timid cloud]

• you’re not a chad POE gamer like Whispyr

[oak sky]

actually true

[balmy condor]

The power went straight to my head

[timid cloud]

Some say, he can do the same damage on Sylv with a 190 leggy on.

[balmy condor]

I spend my days walking the earth

[timid cloud]

Actual mad lad.

[balmy condor]

Putting people down

This is my cross to bear

Superiority over everyone

[oak sky]

whispyr is a secret zoomer dont tell anyone

[timid cloud]

Whispyr EGO’ING & ratio’ing.

[oak sky]

sylv+L

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

It’s not a secret chief

[subtle tundra]

how old is he??

bet he's like 13

[gusty mirage]

close enough

[spice spire]

Ye

[balmy condor]

I actually just informed my parental units that I shit myself

[gusty mirage]

I do that too

[balmy condor]

Baby boy go boom boom

[spice spire]

On jah?

[subtle tundra]

so cool uwu ^^

[oak sky]

MOM GO BOOM

[gusty mirage]

shoot pops a text "Yo dad I pooped myself again"

[drifting cloud]

is pooling bigger difference on dashing compared to other legos whispyr senpai

[spice spire]

Damn king I sent ur pops the same message

[balmy condor]

Would be less

[drifting cloud]

really

[balmy condor]

Any increased energy source makes pooling less valuable

[oak sky]

better regen + W + chad

[gusty mirage]

stop tryin to slide into my dad's DMs bro

he's old

let him be

[balmy condor]

More energy = each point is less important = pooling less important

[spice spire]

Gotta get in somehow

[drifting cloud]

this is too complicated, Im just gonna press muti at 4cp

[gusty mirage]

nailed it

[drifting cloud]

and blame it on lag

[timid cloud]

PARDON

[oak sky]

solution found: actually lag

[timid cloud]

Sometimes that actually does happen to me.

It’s a feelsbadman...

[strange python]

hello everyone, new to this channel, but lover of assassination rogue, i mainly play M+ and can't find that many guides/discussions out there, hence im here now. i was wondering what legendary everyone recommends for each dungeon based on the week (fortified or tyrannical), for instance i mostly use zolds on all dungeons on a fortified week but would implement say obedience on fortified ToP. P.S. if im in the wrong section or this has been discussed earlier, let me know sorry.

[subtle tundra]

i think i need to make a copy paste for this

Obedience: more burst, more ST, more control over your dps
Zoldyck:more overall
I play obedience all the time, but thats cause i feel like in 23+ keys its more important to have dmg where you want than a couple hundred more overall dps

[strange python]

what about dashing scoundrel?

[subtle tundra]

playable, not optimal

[strange python]

what dungeon would you use it in alongside with fortified/tyran?

or is it not worth using

compared to obedience

and zoldyck

[timid cloud]

That’s probs at best a Tyran TOP pick, but even then...

[subtle tundra]

i've never tried it myself, but it shouldnt be better than obedience

[balmy condor]

Yeh never play dashing

[strange python]

hmm okay yeah just wondering bc i have seen zerocool use it in some dungeons

[balmy condor]

God damnit

[strange python]

in raider.io

[balmy condor]

I knew it was coming

[subtle tundra]

it just doesnt do much in aoe and in ST its basically the same as obe

[strange python]

AHAHA

i see i see

[balmy condor]

We get the “but zero cool” pretty regularly

[subtle tundra]

i think he just tried it out

[subtle tundra]

i should log 2-3 dungeons with doomblade

to troll a bit

[strange python]

this is the insight i needed

thanks

[balmy condor]

But yeh

Obed is basically equal single target

And just more aoe

No point playing dashing

Some people tried to make some poison thing work with master poisoner

[strange python]

guessing dashing for raid with frost shards only then

[balmy condor]

Didn’t work out too well

[timid cloud]

The ‘ol doom blade spreader on every target.

[subtle tundra]

yea man i get full value from doomblade by tab targeting, right?!??!

[timid cloud]

You talking that full mastery build like a few months ago?

Master Poisoner...

[balmy condor]

MASTERY

[strange python]

was very glad to see your name varas when you were typing, been seeing you in the da raider io hehe

[balmy condor]

Man’s been doing some snooping

[subtle tundra]

helo 👋

[balmy condor]

Varas a homie

Liked him better with red name though

[subtle tundra]

😳

[timid cloud]

Someone has to hold it down for the Sin boys...

I’ve gone to the dark side for keys on my alt, since I don’t have Zold on it.

[subtle tundra]

ngl, i've been having more fun the past week playing with guildies than i've had the whole season pugging even though i play keys 1-2 levels lower

[balmy condor]

Yuh

When games not fun you gotta make it fun

Playing with fun people > playing with not fun people for ranks

[timid cloud]

True. I do a transmog run or two, or carry one of the boys rat alts.

🐀

[subtle tundra]

they're good players but they've never pushed before so they need to learn

also problem solving the dungeons

last week bolstering

now sanguine

legit kinda fun

[timid cloud]

Fort week in mists.

Who is getting double hit by the fox & dying instantly???

[subtle tundra]

did like 10 dos last week and came to the conclusion that its the worst dungeon for bolstering

[subtle tundra]

big part of mists success is communicating the stops on that

[timid cloud]

DOS WORST dungeon in existence since Shrine.

Change my mind.

[subtle tundra]

kings rest my friend

[timid cloud]

Or Seat of Triumvirate.

Oh true...

There is only 2 routes to Kings Rest, the right one & the wrong one.

[subtle tundra]

the "lets just finish this, man"

[timid cloud]

LOL

[subtle tundra]

get another dungeon

thank god for key rerolling nowadays

[timid cloud]

[magic tendon]

Im guessing there is a little problem having 1k vers and like 3% haste or no?

[subtle tundra]

let me guess, pvp gear?

[magic tendon]

Yup

[subtle tundra]

🥺

[magic tendon]

Full

Pvp gear

[oak sky]

full vers probably wont get you great results in pve

[magic tendon]

Constantly running out of energy

[timid cloud]

That’s a Sub / Outlaw Route.

[magic tendon]

I’m guessing because of lack of haste

[timid cloud]

You might want to play Sub if you got like full verse & no haste

[magic tendon]

I did

[timid cloud]

Otherwise it’ll be rough in ST.

[magic tendon]

Am trying ou assa

[timid cloud]

Ah. It’ll be rough even as Outlaw unless it’s sustained AOE.

[oak sky]

assa likes haste and crit the best

[magic tendon]

Not haste and mas

?

[oak sky]

nah its haste and crit

mastery is pretty good in aoe but for more single target haste and crit is good

[gusty mirage]

I loved KR

Literally built for assa

[subtle tundra]

literally built for crying

[gusty mirage]

Only on tyran weeks

Now siege on the other hand can suck a bag of dicks

[normal mist]

Does anyone know how much rating does a +14/15 awards?
I'm at 1720 rn and I have 2 dungeons where I haven't a single tyrannical

Aka I just wanna reach 2k with minimal effort xD

[kind talon]

15s accross the board is 2k

[normal mist]

I might be needing another week then, goddamnit. Got a +12 and a +9 fortified

[kind talon]

Sadge

[plain onyx]

donno is it just me that prefer tyrannical weeks over fortified ?

[timid cloud]

Tyrannical after the nerfs to it is an easier push week most weeks.

[normal mist]

I prefer weeks where my guild members have a spot for me

Since I don't have a fixed group whatsoever

[subtle tundra]

i'd say tyrannical is easier than fortified on keys lower than ~23 and harder on higher

but depends on dungeon/comp

[hoary remnant]

boss fights up to keylevel 21 take around 3 minutes at worst on tyrannical weeks.

[upbeat needle]

Varas is

100% right

[oak sky]

i notice a difference just because people die less to boss than trash

half the key pushers dont bother learning trash mechs

[upbeat needle]

depends on level

and how high they push

[hoary remnant]

yes. But its easier to remember a boss fight then what each trash pack does. Way less boss fights then trash fights

[oak sky]

yeah i meant like just past ksm or ksm

at a higher level tyrannical just does too much damage

[upbeat needle]

ksm ppl barely know anything they just follow tank lmao

that's true

definitely easier to remember bosses as opposed to trash

around the 15ish range you'll have a lot of players who just asspull things for no reason, no memorization of pats, spatial awareness etc etc

[hoary remnant]

15 is a joke sorry you can do that with one decent dd. Its super easy to just boost people through a 15 ill do it every day

[oak sky]

15 is a joke but pugs still wipe to them

[upbeat needle]

even in my boost runs

people be fucking brain dead

[oak sky]

like it may be a joke to us

but people that are actually learning it

definitely not

a 15 to them is what a 20 or 23 is to you

idk where ur at

[hoary remnant]

tbh I think you start learning really what punishes you at 20 and above

[upbeat needle]

^this

[hoary remnant]

rest can be outhealed and geared

[oak sky]

they dont have gear

they dont mythic raid

if a 15 is hard for them

[upbeat needle]

I'm at 2400 atm stopped pushing since my key group fell apart, first key was in 8.3

[oak sky]

thats solid

like all 21s/22s range?

[grim hornet]

y

[upbeat needle]

I have 1 22 timed

and the rest are like 20s

[hoary remnant]

you get every dungeon timed in 20 both weeks you have 2.4k

8*300

[upbeat needle]

yeah

I want to push higher but my last key group left bad taste in my mouth, tank thought he was mdi player and did things impromtu, caused a lot of fails

but that's besides the point, yeah when you're just getting into keys everything is definitely a lot to take in

Shit that we think is standard practice will blow someone's mind

like I remember teaching someone how to control two stoneborn in HoA, mind was fucking blown lol

[oak sky]

spam click

gg

[upbeat needle]

yeah

"It's that easy?" they say lol

[oak sky]

wait until you tell them about triple

[upbeat needle]

imagine

mplus really saved the game man

[oak sky]

i wouldnt know

SL baby

[upbeat needle]

like I said first key I did was in 8.3

but I've been playing since late wrath

be glad though, you missed dogshit bfa lmao

8.3 was kinda fun with corruptions tho ngl

[golden basalt]

I truly enjoyed BFA

sure the azerite/corruption aquisition systems were garbage but they felt incredibly nice to play with once you had them

[normal mist]

[golden basalt]

m+ was also a lot more fun for me in BFA, but I heavily prefer the raids in SLs so far

[sick marsh]

Hello guys. Sorry to disturb , the question surely has been asked hundreds times but I can’t find the answer on the net. How long should I pull energy before casting a finisher ? I’m used to pull around 120 energy before casting an envenom but I’m ending with only 75% uptime of envenom buff and same percentage on EP. Should I pull less energy ?

[noble ingot]

when running CT in dungeons do you want to keep the dot up on bosses?

[oak sky]

Yes

Only outside shiv

[oak sky]

Should be pretty much ok, if you want more envenom uptime I guess you could pay attention to the buff but it probably won't change much

[sick marsh]

Thank you. Not sure to understand why I’m parsing this low on this log then https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2hMJVz7R6cn8aQ3N#fight=58&type=damage-done&source=24

My gear is not the best but still, grey parse :sadPepe

[sly monolith]

as a vent what lego would u craft?

for m+ and raid

the vent lego?

[normal mist]

That or zoldyck

As someone above said:

• venthyr Lego = controlled damage, as in you know when you can do high amounts of dps
• zoldyck = better overall, not having to think about it at all

This is for m+

For raid you can go either obedience or dashing

So if you just one for both scenarios go Obedience Lego

[silent cargo]

I tried dashing in tyran +21 keys worked well

[normal mist]

I'm not a 21+ player myself, still trying to get to 2k, I'm just saying what people usually use :p

[oak sky]

obedience is literally just better than dashing in keys

[sly monolith]

i will reroll to dh or rogue when we kill sylvanas

[silent cargo]

Yeah ofcourse obe is really the option though

[sly monolith]

and i want max performance then to not slack on reprogres

so i think i will get dashing

or i will just use my 235 obsedience for keys

[spice spire]

It’s a green parse. The parse showing is just you compared to other rogues in the past two weeks. Which makes sense because the rogues in the past two weeks doing guardian are better geared more than likely. You also missed a pot at the end, but nothing super egregious afaik

[oak sky]

yeah what quake said

tl;dr probably gear

[sick marsh]

Thank you for checking the log ! I’m trying my best but ye my gear is not good

[spice spire]

It’ll get better on the damage side you’re a tad low, but again nothing is egregious

[limber lion]

Parsing on mythic is much, much harder than on heroic. I'm sure you can get a decent purple parse with your gear on heroic, but it's a completely different story for mythic.

There are some things you could have done better, like syncing abilities

Not sure why but you keep holding your Flagellation every time for some reason, which eventually might result in a cast loss. Same goes with Vendetta.

You could have definitely sync'd the last Vend/Flag together, even more so if you pressed Flag on cooldown.

[strange python]

Any changes regarding covenant or conduits predicted? Especially for m+ content?

[arctic hare]

I still somehow haven’t figured this out, but when using flag in aoe, you use it on one target, but it seems to do way more than just st, besides the haste buff, why is that?

[spice spire]

You always get max stacks in aoe, or should, not so much in ST minus MFD play

[spice spire]

No

[limber lion]

Yeh just like Quake said. It still only hits one target even in AoE, but you generate more stacks which in turn means you get more lashes of it.

[arctic hare]

Which in turn results in stupid burst, got it

[limber lion]

To one target, yes

Still lacking in AoE damage as a spec.

[arctic hare]

Which in massive aoe packs seems to take me from 9k to sometimes 15k

[limber lion]

Doubt it's just the Flag doing that honestly

[arctic hare]

Tryin to decide as to whether or not to switch to obe or keep zoldyck, cause both seems very nice

[limber lion]

More like a combination of quite a few things

Yeah, it's more of a preference thing honestly

[arctic hare]

Well I’ve only ever hit 15k after hitting flag, odd

[limber lion]

And what you want/need for your group

[arctic hare]

Hmm, interesting, I’m more in the interest of more aoe dmg, but thats why I’m trying to get a friggin weapon for outlaw

[limber lion]

Might want to give Subtlety a shot then

[arctic hare]

Absolutely no

I despise hitting two buttons in aoe

[limber lion]

Rogue as a class isn't really AoE heavy, but Sub is the closest thing we have to high aoe burst

[arctic hare]

Really? And here I had thought it was outlaw

I wonder how sin will do once we get the target caps removed

That’ll be very interesting

[limber lion]

Outlaw is more consistent AoE, Sub does more burst.

[grim hornet]

outlaw is a cleave spec. I think outlaw has a better toolkit for m+, but aoe is not his strength

[limber lion]

Nothing will change

[arctic hare]

Dang

That’s disappointing

[limber lion]

There's 1-3 pulls in the entire game where we exceed 8 targets

[grim hornet]

BUT!

[limber lion]

Most packs/pulls are 3-6 targets.

[arctic hare]

Theres that one in mists right?

[limber lion]

Yes

[grim hornet]

if you have a mage and another aoe class in ur party

[limber lion]

And one in DoS

But that's about it

[arctic hare]

God, DoS was a pain last week

[grim hornet]

maybe u need a rogue doing prio dmg and some st so ur aoe padders don't shit their pants

[arctic hare]

lol

[strange python]

I dont do any raiding anymore...I am planning to go Venthyr when the patch hits. What piece do you think is best to take for leggo?

[limber lion]

Obedience

It's the most versatile choice all things considered.

[strange python]

yeah i mean what slot

[limber lion]

Cloak

[strange python]

also if you dont raid?

so no raid items

[limber lion]

Yes

[strange python]

okay

[spice spire]

I feel like with appropriate Bleeds maintained, CT up even on a 5 pack, 11-12k is a norm. With spike damage in dungeons like DoS, PF (if you’re a madlad and pull the slimes in one), and HoA - with a touch of the last section of mists, you should be hitting above 9k on packs

It could also be key level and a million other things.

[normal mist]

All this time i thought my 8-10 k DPS on packs was low, turns out to be the norm.
Still I'm only doing 7/8k dps overall :(

[echo cargo]

Just use wild spirits 4head

[spice spire]

Still a little low, but also if you’re doing 15s - stuff just dies quickly, especially on fort week

So you’re damage is hella lower

[arctic hare]

Yeah, i usually stick to 15’s for the gear and experience

[arctic hare]

Sammmmmme here

[gusty mirage]

You might be too focused on refreshing bleeds. It happens a lot

[spice spire]

Like I did a 15 on Monday night with an aff lock

[gusty mirage]

I fall into that sometimes too

[spice spire]

Actually detrimental to my damage

I pulled 8.9 overall while my usual is 11ish on 19s

Necrotic wake btw

[gusty mirage]

Just do more damage

4head

[normal mist]

Ps: don't you guys love when your tank pulls a pack, last mob is about to die and he just pulls another pack? Subterfuge be like

[spice spire]

Aff locks actual DPS terrorists

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/julesmaru-really-gif-20304655

[spice spire]

Chain pulling is fine

Chain pulling not fine during spiteful weeks tho

[normal mist]

Last week was a nightmare for me

Hated all the tanks

[gusty mirage]

That’s just bad chaining tbh

[spice spire]

Last week was the first week this tier I didn’t run ten dungeons in a week

Not needing almost anything from vault on m+ axis + shit week means I lacked motivation

[normal mist]

I (almost) legit cried last week

[grim hornet]

chainpulling is why i dont play sin in keys

that and having to craft zoldyck xD

[gusty mirage]

Ironic

Cuz outlaw loses more damage from chaining than assa

[spice spire]

Yes man

It’s close

Sucks for both

[normal mist]

Chain pulling is amazing tho, if your tank let's you re

[spice spire]

But outlaw needs it too

[grim hornet]

is it? didn't do the math there tbh

[gusty mirage]

Chaining is fine for assa

[spice spire]

You can hang back and get the quickie stealth

[gusty mirage]

It always has been. It was just more pronounced in bfa because of shrouded suffocation

[grim hornet]

it can't be fine to lose a talent everytime u chain

[spice spire]

Literally the only issue chaining caused is from spiteful week

[normal mist]

Kill > re > Pull > repeat

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather go into a new pack with bleeds rolling on the mobs about to die than go in raw

Just my 2 cents

[grim hornet]

that makes sense

[gusty mirage]

Yeah not getting the empowered garrotes on opener sucks

But it’s kind of whatever

[normal mist]

^ this

[gusty mirage]

You’d just vanish for it anyway

[normal mist]

I did :(

[spice spire]

I like a nice mix.
It doesn’t really affect too much, the group I run with on mists does a chain pull after second boss to third and it’s a good time dps wise

Just kill the shield boy, move to next shield boy with whatever is still alive

[grim hornet]

as sin on keys, do u guys treat shiv as utility or dmg? Obviusly asking for situations that soothe has to be done

[spice spire]

Rinse and repeat

[spice spire]

On raging/dos for skeles/ top for first pack tantrum add

Utility

Other than that damage

[autumn frost]

It's an important part of our damage rotation

[golden basalt]

hold for utility but if theres nothing to enrage just pump

[autumn frost]

So I would do my best to not hold it too long.

[spice spire]

I’m also the only soothe in my m+ group

[gusty mirage]

Just play with a survival hunter like I do

[spice spire]

So on fortified 20s with tantrum boy, too many get off and it’s a wipe if dps is slow

[gusty mirage]

[autumn frost]

Depends on what needs soothing

[grim hornet]

tbh in my group i liked to be the "toolbox"

[spice spire]

Ele shaman going boomkin

[placid pagoda]

assa feels so janky without Vigor

[autumn frost]

Tantrum boy hold for it.

[grim hornet]

while my mage and boomie blast everything.

then in st while they have no cds was my time to shine

[gusty mirage]

Yikes

[spice spire]

I don’t have to hold shiv for utility any more

Can return to my aping ways

And slam that mf button

[gusty mirage]

Just play sub

[spice spire]

No shot

OTP sorry king

[gusty mirage]

Two button m+ rotation scaring you off?

[autumn frost]

If it's just a normal deenrage then don't bother holding for it unless your tank is struggling.

[gusty mirage]

It’s good to have flexibility when it comes to pushing keys

[spice spire]

Falling asleep scaring me off*

Deadass tried outlaw in a key

[gusty mirage]

You tried outlaw but not sub?

Get out of my channel now

[grim hornet]

i don't like sub also. I wanna learn it but every key gets boring

[hollow river]

Idk mfd feels pretty poggers to me

[gusty mirage]

Mfd sucks

[grim hornet]

mfd is nuts

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

It’s a terrible playstyle

[hollow river]

In raid???

[gusty mirage]

It just happens to do more damage

[spice spire]

Sbs would like a word

[gusty mirage]

So here we are

[grim hornet]

i love it

all the resets u can have

[hollow river]

Bro it’s so similar to SBS

[gusty mirage]

I know you’re not comparing bone spike to mfd

[spice spire]

In dungeons it’s just sbsing resets

[hollow river]

It’s hyper poggers

[grim hornet]

translated into flagelation lashes

[spice spire]

On jah I am

[grim hornet]

or in shiv windows

[gusty mirage]

Actually fried

[grim hornet]

its so ❤️

[hollow river]

Idk oxi that’s a hot ass take my brother

[spice spire]

Only thing fried is that sin io king

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire I had a nightmare I switched necro and you found out and grilled me

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

It feels bad on opener garrote, sure

Just be b elf smh

[gusty mirage]

It really isn’t

[spice spire]

I grilled you for even thinking about it

[hollow river]

I think mfd is sick nasty

[spice spire]

Mfd ST is just wack

But dungeons hella fun

[gusty mirage]

That’s cool and you’re totally encouraged to like what you like

But mfd in ST is actually an awful playstyle

[hollow river]

I mean in pure ST I run bs/ds

[grim hornet]

i get this take on guardian, but for the rest? a lot of resets available out there

[hollow river]

But for every other fight I run mfd and love min maxing resets

[spice spire]

That’s why I said ST

[grim hornet]

ye, funny minigame

[spice spire]

Resets? Fun

[gusty mirage]

Doesn’t really fit what I think assa playstyle should be

[spice spire]

45 second CD? Not fun

[gusty mirage]

Resets or not

[spice spire]

I can see this point

[hollow river]

Is it 45 seconds for assa?

[grim hornet]

30, isnt it?

[hollow river]

Ye

[halcyon zealot]

it’s 30

[spice spire]

Either way

Necrolord gaming

[grim hornet]

1min on outlaw D:

[spice spire]

Hardstuck vigor overlord

Rn

Literally sims better ST than BS/DS for me

[hollow river]

Ahh

Wow

That’s crazy af

[halcyon zealot]

i mean i dont like the way mfd feels as venthyr either especially since we play frost set and sacrifice our soul for crit, not having vigor just feels so shitty

[spice spire]

I thought so too, sent it to whispyr and he just hit me with an “it be like that sometimes”

[halcyon zealot]

especially when you don’t lust on pull

[spice spire]

Thinking I cracked the super secret rogue 1000000000000 damage build

Nah

[gusty mirage]

This 110%

But it’s just whatever at this point I’ll play it even though I don’t like it

[hollow river]

I’m just glad I have something to min max for sylv prog

[grim hornet]

^

[hollow river]

To try and keep from going insane

[gusty mirage]

Oh sweet child

You’ve already gone insane

[grim hornet]

^also

xD

[hollow river]

Yep

[grim hornet]

oh! updates

[hollow river]

True and based

[grim hornet]

we got to p3 yesterday DUNNO HOW

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

Very nice

[gusty mirage]

We got to 3rd plat 4 times

[grim hornet]

we went from wiping on 1st platform to do all p2 in 1 day

[hollow river]

Wow that’s toxic

[grim hornet]

i don't think that will happen again today

[spice spire]

Mans almost 200 pulls in

[hollow river]

We spent 3 more hours last night not getting to 2nd boss burn

I’m over 200 in

[spice spire]

He’s earned 3rd platform

Oh

[gusty mirage]

No what’s toxic was 3rd plat we had everyone alive and someone ran back before their arrow hit

[halcyon zealot]

our sylv prog is in the state of make it to p2 > wipe in p1 for 30 min > make it to p2 twice > wipe in p1 for 30 min

it’s sick

[gusty mirage]

And wiped is

[spice spire]

You might be down bad king

[gusty mirage]

Us**

[hollow river]

I’m down insanely bad

Like

I wish I had the words to describe

[gusty mirage]

We had 2 brezes, everyone alive and healthy

Someone runs back before arrow hits

We wipe

62.2%

[hollow river]

I’m gonna quit this game before I get my first ce

[gusty mirage]

Nah stick with it

If kirbyau’s guild can kill it anyone can

Watched them reprog painsmith last night

Took them 123 pulls to kill it the first time, they were on pull 60 to get 2nd kill

So if you killed pain smith more than once you’re better than they are

And they took 398 to kill sylv

Didn’t sniff p3 until pull like 260 lol

[spice spire]

True

Kirbyau certified gamer

[soft shale]

you people would have had a lot of fun watching us on avatar and kil jaeden

[gusty mirage]

Pretty sure KJ was considered one of the most difficult bosses in modern wow, wasn’t it?

[fallen arch]

I have mad respect for people that can bash their head into a boss 300+ times

It’s more stressful than your day job to kill a boss like that

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I probably about 50-60 more pulls before I’m done for the tier lmao

[soft shale]

we did around 800 pulls in 1 or 2 weeks

different times

[gusty mirage]

Ye everything I’ve ever read about KJ said that 400-500 was considered “fast”

[soft shale]

it was just so tight

[gusty mirage]

Yeah man fuck that

[soft shale]

and not like avatar was a walk in the park

[gusty mirage]

No chance I’ll ever do that

[soft shale]

when they made adds being able to be gripped it was way easier but still

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather just collect mounts and tmogs at that point

[fallen arch]

I imagine that’s tough keeping the toxicity and burnout out at that point

[soft shale]

not really bosses were made way different

like achimonde was also super difficult

[fallen arch]

Shorter fights?

[soft shale]

not really for example sha of fear was 23 mins

the thing that has changed a lot is guilds are way more organized and better

also more info available

[hollow river]

I won’t make it this far

I’m pretty positive this lady died at pull 120 in my mental

I just got phial

We brought in a monk and enh shaman starting last night

So now I have phial monk buff and WFT

Felt so nice

[spice spire]

Rags to riches

You love to see it

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire funnel me KT shoulders this week?

[hollow river]

I can

[gusty mirage]

These 239 tarragrue shoulders make me want to cry

[hollow river]

I have 259

[spice spire]

Cleared KT last night 😦

[hollow river]

Lmk when oxi

[spice spire]

Remind me on reset and I’ll just mage it next week

[gusty mirage]

Actually toxic

[spice spire]

Will gladly

[gusty mirage]

Dude every week people stack leather for me during our sale

[hollow river]

You help me get vein ripper I help u get ANY heroic item

[gusty mirage]

And we get the fucking pants

[spice spire]

You need heroic VR, no? Or you tryna get the thicc 252

[gusty mirage]

Heroic vein ripper?

[hollow river]

Yes dude

[spice spire]

Oh good lord

[gusty mirage]

Yeah idc I got you

I can trade it ez

[hollow river]

I need it for my outlaw set

Who do you boost through?

[spice spire]

Notrickz is down cataclysmic

[gusty mirage]

Usually houkan, but my guild does tarra and last 2 every Monday as well