What do you hold?
#assassination
limber lion
echo geyser
last?
echo geyser
true
limber lion
Great
limber lion
Not only is the last Vend/Flag outside of the lust window, you didn't sync them
Imagine
Getting lust + vend + flag
the nut
oak sky
🥜
drifting cloud
yeah but your cds were scuffed from the start since you didnt use on 2nd burn
placid pagoda
GUys on a seperate note, does anyone know how to recover WA's? I have the weakaura companion but it hasnt backed up my WA's
carmine dawn
big tru
drifting cloud
so youre gonna have different timers
but yeah lust start of platform4 is bad for assa
limber lion
Yeh, I'd recommend studying someone's log to see how they use cds for p2/p3
Making sure to compare to someone who uses the same lust timer
And hasn't gotten any externals
including KA
drifting cloud
and its (atleast for my guild) impossible to predict how fast the boss wil die just depends how much we int
limber lion
I'm kinda salty I can't see my mythic logs
drifting cloud
last week we deleted her so they wanted to do platform4 insta lust, but we had early deaths and I told them not to do it because wed wipe to dps check and even then we barely made it
oak sky
isnt the other lust strat on 3rd platform somewhere?
drifting cloud
it can be agreon, I think it depends if you do speed strat p1 or not
because youre playing lust around boomie cd basically
oak sky
right
drifting cloud
since everyone else is 2min
oak sky
haha boomie
i think my guild was the first to kill without one
at least
first clear without one
limber lion
are methods logs private or somethin
My previous guilds' logs are all private and since leaving the guild I cannot access them. The kills with Method are also private logged and because I requested to be demoted to social I can't access them anymore
Even though I'm still in the guild
Just don't have the raider rank anymore
spice spire
carmine dawn
oh are you raiding next tier tho?
limber lion
No
limber lion
We're donezo
drifting cloud
is there gonna be a next tier 
oak sky
dude
i cant wait
to see 9.2 raid ptr
if the endboss isnt the jailer
all the hater soyboys will be seething
limber lion
It's gonna be C'thun
oak sky
WTF there wasnt gonna be a 9.3
oak sky
cerulean nest
jailer is gonna be a korthia world boss
drifting cloud
jailer is actually the last boss of the new pet battle dungeon
spice spire
jailer is actually the last boss of the new pet battle dungeon
That’s hopium
oak sky
i jumped up to 200 something on heroic allstars
limber lion
someone do a heroic run for me
limber lion
Who'd have thunk
drifting cloud
wasnt jpc r1 or r2 with 1 clear 
limber lion
He got r1 yeah
limber lion
But he also had 2 259 weapons and he got PI'd
But all the credit to him, getting r1 after one clear is still impressive
oak sky
oh yeah
drifting cloud
hey atleast you still have that 10 rogue soulrender log
oak sky
for sure
drifting cloud
gl beating that
limber lion
poggie
carmine dawn
wait so holding flag in p1, for 2nd vendetta, is still better than a full value one used earlier?
oak sky
obviously if i played better i could probably get rank 1s on some fights, but less gear definitely makes it a bigger challenge
limber lion
wait so holding flag in p1, for 2nd vendetta, is still better than a full value ...
No, you should look at your timers and use it accordingly
If you know a Veil is happening in 13s, you should probably press Flag
oak sky
i use flag with like 15s left on vendetta cd in p1
usually thats the full value
like the full buff
full stacks
everything
idk if thats better than getting more lashes in vendetta tho
limber lion
I would just hold Flag
And get the CP portion with Vend
Instead of the haste
But then again it's also good to slam Flag on Sylv and then go ham on the adds if they live long enough
To get to 30 stacks quickly
carmine dawn
i thought your finishers had to be on the target with flag
limber lion
Nope
oak sky
also mfd
carmine dawn
ok cool
limber lion
The lashes happen on the target that you used Flag on
I've killed someone in PvP by using Flag on them, they run away
Then I use SnD from afar
And it procs Flag
manic matrix
you talking about mythic sylvanas?
limber lion
Yes
manic matrix
personally I burst at pull with bl in P1 then I hold my 2nd burst a bit to use everything a 2nd time with the thrill seeker proc
limber lion
Well if you can get away with that without getting shouted at by your raidleader for not stopping dps, then all the power to ya
But most guilds stop dps after the veil cast.
manic matrix
when sylvanas is firing arrows you should fully dot her and follow the arrows and cloak to hit the adds early if you want to parse
odd heath
We need to stop dps before the veil in our group here..
manic matrix
im 9th world 0 PI
odd heath
Lots of st
limber lion
Cool
limber lion
P1 damage isn't really important whatsoever to be honest
manic matrix
ye I agree
the only important thing in P1 is criting on your first frost proc
and I didn't
cuz she actually takes crazy damage compared to other bosses for some reasons so you can legit do a 110k crit with frost on pull
limber lion
Well she takes the same amount of damage as every other boss
But you're using lust and all cds on pull on it
And so is everyone else
manic matrix
idk it seems like I dont stack as much damage in my frost set on other bosses
in pure single target
polar cape
Rng gotta rng
manic matrix
I'm using a weakaura that displays how much dmg my set is going to do I clearly see a difference idk
limber lion
manic matrix
but ye I guess that could've been good rng
inland hull
Is that due to difference in pull vs winds proc timer?
manic matrix
even tho if you don't crit on your frost proc it doesn't really matter in the end
nah it always starts at 20sec on a boss pull
inland hull
My winds crit never gets that high, but I'm only 38% crit and using obedience rather than DS. Maybe that's doing it?
manic matrix
ye dashing scoundrel improves your frost set dmg a lot
also 38% seems a bit light but I'm playing with 41% in raid
somehow when I had 45% crit I was criting less than when I switched to 41%
inland hull
Yeah, I have a few pieces I need to replace with low/no crit. Is there a set amount of crit before diminishing returns? Or this that something I'd have to sim on myself?
limber lion
30%
But even with DR we want to push for more crit
That's just the "beauty" of the frost set.
But yeah, definitely sim yourself.
After some point you might see haste make a comeback
gusty mirage
I managed to hit it every time we phased to p3
you can just make a step->rupture macro
/cast Shadowstep
/cast Rupture```Don't really need one unless you use shadowstep on shift + 9 and rupture on ctrl + 1
gusty mirage
but if you have her selected via boss frame
you can just step rupture pretty easily
carmine dawn
yeah i think i can actually prob get it
gusty mirage
it's less than 1s but doable
carmine dawn
seems easy enough
limber lion
There's quite a lot of time
Sometimes you might get scuffed and be placed too far back
And you won't make it
But most of the time she should be in range
carmine dawn
i didnt realize alacrity falls off too
gusty mirage
I think with an empowered quick decisions its essentially never the case now @limber lion
spice spire
It’s a pretty easy tab>middle click > 4 gamer moment
carmine dawn
thats such a loss
gusty mirage
at least I've never noticed it since I empowered it
limber lion
I think with an empowered quick decisions its essentially never the case now <@!...
How much does the range increase with the empowered conduit?
carmine dawn
its huge
limber lion
Fair enough
carmine dawn
grapple is like 50y and ss is like 40?
manic matrix
Alacrity should never fall off on sylvanas
gusty mirage
32%
manic matrix
not a single time
frosty bridge
If you hit a finisher right before p2 does it fall off if you dont get one in during the 1s window?
gusty mirage
so roughly 33-34 yards w/ an empowered 252 quick
errr
wait I think I'm using the tbc range for shadowstep
lmao
manic matrix
its 33yd
gusty mirage
ever since I got it empowered I've never had an issue stepping sylv at the start of p3
manic matrix
@frosty bridge by end of P3 you mean last platform on the chain?
limber lion
If you hit a finisher right before p2 does it fall off if you dont get one in du...
It'll fall off because you don't have enough time to build + finish
manic matrix
you should use finisher on adds
manic matrix
then yes you should be gucci
limber lion
You might have like 2s left when she hops back in
But if you end on a finisher
Then you will not make it
manic matrix
more than 2sec normally
limber lion
You need to hold cp for it
frosty bridge
ye so basically end on a finisher and have 5 cp ready so you can
limber lion
Yes, if you enter p3 without combo points, you're donezo
manic matrix
personally I have time to do shadowstep + mutilate + garrot => rupture everytime
at start of last phase
gusty mirage
you can fit 3 gcds into that small window? impressive
frosty bridge
Wait
carmine dawn
no he means when it starts
gusty mirage
ah
manic matrix
the small frame is to tag anduin and get your frost +3% dmg
carmine dawn
he says you can keep alacrity up if you time it perfectly by finishing on an add, and finishing ASAP when p3 starts
manic matrix
btw
frosty bridge
LOL
gusty mirage
hiding the secret tech from us
carmine dawn
but if you can ss+rup in the 1s window before p3 starts and just not have to worry about it, thats better. is what cev is saying
manic matrix
you proc +3% by throwing a knife on anduin gg wp
gusty mirage
yeah it'd be possible
manic matrix
I guess u can didn't really think about that xD
carmine dawn
yeah but getting rup on her earlier is better right?
limber lion
Cant you macro step garrote and get it on him for regen? lel
You'd also have to proc deadly poison on him
which never happens
gusty mirage
yeah you'd be getting like 4-5s of energy ticks from it
manic matrix
I've always kept my shadowstep to instantly go on sylvanas in case I get a bad spawn when last phase starts idk
frosty bridge
Wouldn't you get autos off right as you step?
gusty mirage
assuming you manage to get deadly on him
limber lion
Wouldn't you get autos off right as you step?
I don't think I've ever gotten deadly poison on Sylvanas when step-rupting her
gusty mirage
did they ever fix the issue of certain abilities not proccing poisons?
frosty bridge
Hmmm, gonna check tomorrow
manic matrix
only direct damage abilities are meant to proc poisons no?
like garrote and rupture shouldn't in my mind
frosty bridge
wait autos cant proc poison?
gusty mirage
!pb
prisma monolithBOT
Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss
manic matrix
Shiv should in my mind tho
frosty bridge
100%
manic matrix
cuz it's direct dmg
viscid spear
Shoulda coulda but it doesn'ta
drifting cloud
the frost shard procs from sylvn aswell start of p3, you dont have to hit anduin
manic matrix
I might try to rupture anduin on the next reset it seems like a good idea to pump more on sylvanas with energy regene + padding some useless dmg
gusty mirage
I mean its worth a shot
drifting cloud
doesnt mean it will proc
frosty bridge
I'll try too
limber lion
As shown from this log, you can see that Anduin cleanses all debuffs from him before sending you off to the platform.
dark token
I think you guys are thinking way too hard on minmaxing 5 dps on a unique one time thing lol
limber lion
That's probably because Anduin was bugged previously where he would oneshot your entire team
dark token
Just make sure you don't drop alacrity when p3 starts
limber lion
So they just gave him pseudo-immunity by removing all dots/harmful effects from him prior to that.
So even if you manage to Rup/DP him, he'll just remove it.
frosty bridge
rip
limber lion
I wanna do Sylv p3 with a Kyrian Druid
Would be pretty dank
Never got the opportunity to play with a kyrian druid
manic matrix
he needs kyrian legendary as well no?
limber lion
Yes
gusty mirage
I wanna do Sylv p3 with a Kyrian Druid
lmk when/if you're coming back
I'll get oxithrash leveled
hollow river
Cev making a come back 
limber lion
Nope
hollow river
manic matrix
the only rogue that's ahead of me in my country has a kyrian druid with kyrian legendary + PIs on some bosses
it makes me mald
gusty mirage
its a european thing
limber lion
the only rogue that's ahead of me in my country has a kyrian druid with kyrian l...
Also funny you say that because you get PI'd on some bosses as well.
Like Guardian
viscid spear
it makes me mald
It made you go Necro? 
manic matrix
Ye but I didn't ask for it
dark token
Europeans so nationalist smh
manic matrix
I was actually mad when I saw I got Pi'd
dark token
The entire world is America
gusty mirage
The entire world is America
hell yeah bruther
viscid spear
The entire world is America
Amerika is wunderbar
manic matrix
but no worries I plan to do better without PI now that I got guardian's trinket
limber lion
Good
manic matrix
but my main objective atm is nerzhul
cuz if I parse well on him I get top 8 all stars
manic matrix
everytime I was having a good fight on him we either wiped or I died cuz not getting healed 
manic matrix
it was when we had the apply
he didn't stay for long cuz he was healing less than tank
nimble tartan
i wouldve healthstoned bro
manic matrix
I used everything the sad part
fleet anchor
like garrote and rupture shouldn't in my mind
Rupture procs Instant Poison for Sub and DoT casts also proc Wound Poison. Deadly Poison not proccing from DoT casts seems specific to DP only.
manic matrix
is I had cheat death on cd from pull
cuz I used meld to not die on a wipe
but the boss doted me right before he resetted
so I proc cheat death after he reset
and didn't have it on the kill
balmy condor
Rupture procs Instant Poison for Sub and DoT casts also proc Wound Poison. Deadl...
rupture and garrote have also procced poisons for what, the last 5 expansions?
fleet anchor
Certainly feels off to me but yeah.. we reported this a while ago so who knows
limber lion
I used everything the sad part
Potion 
fleet anchor
Class development doesn't really seem like a priority atm 🤣
manic matrix
even feint
limber lion
Not on your most recent death that's for sure
hollow river
manic matrix
?
inland hull
Damn, note to self: Grim, never let Cev see logs - he will see it and it was your fault
hollow river
balmy condor
Damn, note to self: Grim, never let Cev see logs - he *will* see it and it *was*...
that's kind of our job
manic matrix
I guess he is checking a pull where I didn't die so
limber lion
No, this is your most recent pull.
From a week ago.
Where you did die
No sign of Healthstone, potion or cloak.
inland hull
<:kekW:620386906634584095> that's kind of our job
And God bless you beautiful bastards
limber lion
But it's okay, we all make mistakes.
limber lion
Yes, you used healthstone and cloak
manic matrix
u're right
limber lion
But you used them
manic matrix
I used all the rest
limber lion
like a minute
before your actual death
not when you were actually dying to the boss
manic matrix
I mean I have cd
limber lion
You used cloak at 80% health (why?)
Healthstone after malevolence during downtime* (why?)
manic matrix
should I die earlier ?
limber lion
Like completely wasting both abilities
It's okay, maybe the healers will heal you next time.
gusty mirage
Class development doesn't really seem like a priority atm 🤣
they'll fix it next patch for sure 
hushed dirge
Finally got my 252 Dagger. 
manic matrix
@limber lion lol just realized you edited all your messages, I used HS cuz I fell pretty low hp and had a dot on me 1sec before use it
limber lion
Finally got my 252 Dagger. <:omgPog:814620542635474997>
Grats!
manic matrix
probably used cloak cuz I got silenced
manic matrix
I mean obviously I could do better but come on
limber lion
More often than not there's something that you could have done better.
manic matrix
compare the healing logs with other weeks
this boss is usually a joke
for my guild
manic matrix
I didn't expect such a downgrade on the healing
limber lion
Shit happens. It's just the way that you phrased it previously
hushed dirge
That dagger was from me only doing 1 key last week.
limber lion
"I cannot get a good parse on Remnant because we wipe on good pulls or I die to lack of healing"
Where the latter is not true for most pulls and where you could have prevented your death by playing better yourself.
If you want a better parse, just play better :P
limber lion
I agree with you but that's not my goal at the moment
It's not?
limber lion
You said the complete opposite just 30 minutes ago
No worries buddy, we all have bad days.
limber lion
Why's that?
manic matrix
you might die by shadowstepping the boss after a dispell
limber lion
Why would you?
manic matrix
or you might have to stop dpsing to dodge some aoes
limber lion
Sure, but are you saying that those 1-2 seconds dodging stuff on the floor
is the reason why you can't get a good parse on it?
Because I can tell you
that it's not
manic matrix
nah
limber lion
You're exaggerating issues that don't really exist
manic matrix
it's cuz I didn't have the frost set on my earlier kills
limber lion
The only thing that should matter
is whether or not you get Malevolence
Because typically the Malevolence forces downtime on you
But nothing else on the boss does
manic matrix
I had the frost set on one kill before last week but I didn't get much crits on it while on a try where we wiped at like 3% I had 11K+ dps which was 99 parse
manic matrix
the frost set is a lot of rng ngl
limber lion
Sure is, but what isn't in WoW?
manic matrix
you might get an insane boost from criting a lot or the complete opposite have it as your 3rd source of dmg by not criting much
limber lion
Sure, but getting critical hits with your mutilates is also a pretty big deal
manic matrix
I mean before people got any shard set there was legit no RNG on assa in my opinion
limber lion
Not just winds
manic matrix
ofc there was
limber lion
lol.
manic matrix
but not much
unholy is about having the agility buff at the right time and frost is about criting when you burst to do 100k+
limber lion
You are correct in that
There is more variance to Assassination nowadays
It's true for all specs in the game.
manic matrix
sadly
limber lion
But there is still a lot of variance even without the shard sets.
manic matrix
ye but you won't have a 2k dps difference like you could with a set
limber lion
And there's not much you can do to play around the shards, so you gotta do with what you've got.
timid cloud
Not getting 4 CP every Muti. 
limber lion
ye but you won't have a 2k dps difference like you could with a set
Not true.
limber lion
Here's an example of a simulation without a shard set.
As you can see
a 2k difference
For shards it's quite a bit bigger that is.
limber lion
Here's an example for frost shards
manic matrix
to lose 2k out of pure rng
manic matrix
without any set
limber lion
And 2k by default
Why is it crazy?
You can literally mutilate and only get 2 combo points every time
manic matrix
idk what could possibly make you lose that much dps
limber lion
Spending 100 energy to get 4-5 combo points
Or you can mutilate once
And get 4 combo points
For 50 energy
Half the energy for twice the combo points
limber lion
There's variance to every single ability in the game if you're not aware
There's a 5% variance in everything
in Shadowlands
By default
limber lion
Add in stuff like crit, fight length, outside factors
and you've got a recipe for disaster
limber lion
it's a sim that happens once in how many sims ?
That's not the point
limber lion
I mean before people got any shard set there was legit no RNG on assa in my opin...
This is just not true
As you can see
The same sample size of simulations
And shards had a 2.7k min-max difference
And without shards it was 2k
manic matrix
ye I've said myself that there's RNG but between 2 great rogue players u'll never see a 2k difference
there's just no way
fleet anchor
limber lion
You can
fleet anchor
Which of these balls is most skilled? 😄
balmy condor
https://streamable.com/eegfju
That’s black magic
hallow sage
how do you even die on remnant
y e e t
manic matrix
the main treat is when you shadowstep after a MD
the puddle hurts
and if you have dot at the same time from orbs
since it's right after the explosion of the MD
if you just let yourself get bumped ofc you'll never die
kindred rapids
I just shadowstep to the boss instead
limber lion
You shouldn't get hit by the puddle
manic matrix
?
limber lion
?
limber lion
Why is it on the puddle?
kindred rapids
well maybe it shouldn't be?
limber lion
That's your issue
Not our
I've never had issues with shadowstepping the boss
I never ever take damage from the pool
You're trolling if you do
manic matrix
cuz the tank has to be close to the dispelled players to survive the bump I guess
idk
kindred rapids
doesn't have to be that close
manic matrix
it's not my job to tank idk
fleet anchor
But anyway, the goal for good players should definitely be to be consistent, but RNG is definitely like.. an under-appreciated aspect of WoW in general
There's a lot of it
limber lion
Everything has variance and rng
fleet anchor
It's more or less just normal distribution
+/- 400 DPS from the mean there is a very common result
balmy condor
But anyway, the goal for good players should definitely be to be consistent, but...
So you’re saying that I don’t suck at outlaw, I’m just not getting good rolls, right?
manic matrix
I usually play consistency on progress then I try to go for highest parse cuz that's the only thing that keeps you away from boredom idk
limber lion
Yeah, and sometimes you just pop off. Not because you're good, but because the stars aligned and you hit the rng jackpot
inland hull
checks my parses fuck...
fleet anchor
Sure but like, this is a sim which plays "perfectly" according to the APL. e.g. never makes mistakes. So this graph above is just wholly uncontrollable aspects.
fleet anchor
If you think how much DPS is gained or lost just in terms of if Vendetta Frost procs crit or not
That's 3 rolls over a full fight
That determine many hundreds of DPS difference
That are literally just 50/50s
limber lion
The thing with winds is that it's super easy to track
So you know when you're getting lucky with the procs and when not so much
manic matrix
yup
limber lion
But you're not tracking muti crits, envenom crits, deadly poison crits, melee crits
The game is littered with rng
manic matrix
I mean it's true but I'd rather crit on my frost proc than on most my abilities just cuz it does so much more dmg
manic matrix
ye
gusty mirage
smol frost
manic matrix
frost does 0
limber lion
You won't do any damage with your frost
manic matrix
sure
limber lion
Gotta be lucky in both departments
manic matrix
but that doesn't really happen
cuz you have frames with insane crit chance with vanish
slim wagon
So you’re saying that I don’t suck at outlaw, I’m just not getting good rolls, r...
wow wow are you ok? someone holding you hostage forcing you to play outlaw?
manic matrix
even venthyr conduit give you 20% crit
limber lion
MA lasts for 3s, the frost proc pools from damage done within the last 20 seconds
limber lion
Those 3s are quite a small portion of it
slow marsh
So you’re saying that I don’t suck at outlaw, I’m just not getting good rolls, r...
im pretty sure there's tons of pirate bois that get good rolls and still suck lmao
limber lion
Also not sure if you know
but Thrill Seeker
is super rng
and we don't really play around it
slow marsh
that's why i was the first to swap to theo
manic matrix
@limber lion in aoe it's actually crazy how much you get from vanish
limber lion
That's true
manic matrix
on KT you can do 150k
limber lion
It's also the reason why we play Dashing
manic matrix
yep
manic matrix
obemfd?
balmy condor
wow wow are you ok? someone holding you hostage forcing you to play outlaw?
not sure if you didn’t get the joke
gusty mirage
obedience and marked for death
slow marsh
its ok
manic matrix
ah
kindred rapids
just realized in my best remnant parse, my winds from lust hit an immune orb
manic matrix
I've seen people paly it on nerzhul
kindred rapids
wtf
hollow river
aren't the crits that frost absorbs damage per instance capped?
slow marsh
i haven't gotten obe mfd to beat out dashing yet but i also haven't played KT yet
balmy condor
aren't the crits that frost absorbs damage per instance capped?
Yeh
limber lion
just realized in my best remnant parse, my winds from lust hit an immune orb
That has happened to me quite a few times as well ngl
manic matrix
but it seems like they're lucky with their frost shards more than it being super strong
gusty mirage
i haven't gotten obe mfd to beat out dashing yet but i also haven't played KT ye...
just wait until you get to mythic KT
manic matrix
idk
gusty mirage
lots of opportunities
slow marsh
I feel like obe mfd is for sure better for fights where you play CT
or just needing a 1 min cd
like KT
limber lion
but it seems like they're lucky with their frost shards more than it being super...
Well, I can tell you that the frost proc is not the only thing in the game
manic matrix
on KT dashing is so valuable I think
limber lion
There's a lot of things you should be worrying about
manic matrix
ye but I think I'm not too bad at reacting to how much CP I'm getting
brazen zodiac
I feel like obe mfd is for sure better for fights where you play CT
it feels fun af for fatescribe
limber lion
I did around 11.3k dps in p3 Sylvanas and I only crit like 60% of the time with Winds
Imagine if I had 100% crit
limber lion
It is
But it's not 100%
What matters more is what and when you get those crits
if you crit with a 10k frost proc, who cares
manic matrix
ye ofc
limber lion
but if it's a 60k frost proc, oh boy
same thing for stuff like muti procs
if you crit with mutilate during vendetta/flag windows
it's much much better
than critting during downtime
manic matrix
ye but we actually guarantee crits with vanish there
manic matrix
nah of course
but it lasts enough to get a good amount of stacks
on flage
thats what I'm saying
manic matrix
the thing is
when you get the first stacks
the others get easier
cuz u have haste
balmy condor
balmy condor
The gift keeps on giving
hollow river
manic matrix
?
dark token
my fav feeling ever is not getting 4 cp from mutilates with 98% crit
limber lion
How much energy do you think 5% haste gives you over 10 seconds
yo teach I know the answer!!!
what does 5% energy mean
gusty mirage
oh I know this too
hollow river
0
hollow river
squat diddly
arctic walrus
why this guy still talking
balmy condor
I asked this dude how much energy it gives and he gives me a %
limber lion
yo all the homies rounding up
manic matrix
why 5% tho ?
manic matrix
you know that there's a conduit to instantly get 4% ?
hollow river
balmy condor
What the fuck is happening
manic matrix
then at the end of your vanish combo you should be at like 19%
limber lion
Sure, let's say you get 13% from 8cp (2x muti crit) and lashing scars
dark token
sin convention
limber lion
How much energy do you think
limber lion
you get from 13%
ember mural
arctic walrus
@gusty kestrel yo need u for 5 minutes
balmy condor
My head hurts and I haven’t even understood what the logic is
manic matrix
you should get 19% haste almost instantly
gusty kestrel
<@!214798019294527490> yo need u for 5 minutes
BRO
limber lion
Answer the question
balmy condor
you should get 19% haste almost instantly
19% haste over 12 seconds
How much energy
gusty kestrel
what u neeeeeed
magic tendon
What is the current opener for assa using dashing?
gusty mirage
What is the current opener for assa using dashing?
nothing changes
manic matrix
idk tbh
arctic walrus
get this guy off his keyboard for a few hours
magic tendon
nothing changes
Just tell me
limber lion
What is the current opener for assa using dashing?
Muti - SnD - Muti - Garrote - Flag - Rupture - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - Muti
manic matrix
I can just tell you that it 100% feels easier
gusty mirage
^
dawn ivy
its less than a mutilate
limber lion
I can just tell you that it 100% feels easier
gusty kestrel
@arctic walrus what am I here for
limber lion
feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeels
balmy condor
I can just tell you that it 100% feels easier
It’s 23 energy
Not even half a mutilate
hollow river
gusty mirage
<@!204390599472840706> what am I here for
we need another tisu hammer
magic tendon
Muti - SnD - Muti - Garrote - Flag - Rupture - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env...
And on single target?
limber lion
And on single target?
that is single target.
tribal mauve
And on single target?
it is xD
balmy condor
manic matrix
23 energy ?
balmy condor
Delete the channel
manic matrix
doesn't your rupture ticking faster give u energy as well
magic tendon
Oh yea I tought you said multi for fan my god
balmy condor
Start from scratch
hollow river
Delete the channel
no u
magic tendon
Didn’t use assa very much
carmine dawn
dawn ivy
ticking faster over a long time
hollow river
charred wraith
you guys are toxic
hollow river
gusty mirage
ure all stupid
true
limber lion
this is what we're here for
arctic walrus
that's what i'm thinking so i called in the exterminator
balmy condor
doesn't your rupture ticking faster give u energy as well
And do you think that is going to magically give you more stacks or something?
magic tendon
Muti - SnD - Muti - Garrote - Flag - Rupture - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env...
And so I don’t use subterfuge with the garrot ambush ambush rupture muti muti snd?
gusty mirage
no
limber lion
And so I don’t use subterfuge with the garrot ambush ambush rupture muti muti sn...
No, we use Master Assassin
manic matrix
It will give you enough time to get one more finisher I'm pretty sure
limber lion
No, I retired because of irl
hollow river
even during lust, we are GCD capped
magic tendon
No, we use Master Assassin
So ma is better than dashing?
fiery mauve
o
magic tendon
Im confusd
fiery mauve
alright then
limber lion
So ma is better than dashing?
MA is the talent.
balmy condor
It will give you enough time to get one more finisher I'm pretty sure
It does not.
gusty mirage
So ma is better than dashing?
the talent not the legendary
magic tendon
MA is the talent.
Oh yea master assasin
strange python
manic matrix
maybe you can still fit the finisher without it idk I didn't really try playing without my kit
manic matrix
idk what's ur point here
limber lion
That you're completely in the wrong here.
gusty kestrel
god I just scrolled up a bit @arctic walrus
manic matrix
what am I wrong on?
gusty kestrel
I just wanna delete this channel straight up
hollow river
I just wanna delete this channel straight up
magic tendon
MA is the talent.
1 more question if I use ma then what do I pick for second row?
limber lion
1 more question if I use ma then what do I pick for second row?
MA is the second row?
First row Elaborate Planning, third row Vigor is fine
limber lion
Marked for Death later when you get comfortable.
magic tendon
Thanks
dawn ivy
man im gonna miss you guys
strange python
I just wanna delete this channel straight up
Foty fakin kay lets fakin go
balmy condor
I don’t have the energy anymore
arctic walrus
god I just scrolled up a bit <@!204390599472840706>
asking for forgiveness is easier than asking for permission
drifting cloud
get more haste whispyr
arctic walrus
esp when u got a buddy bud purple name
timid cloud
I don’t have the energy anymore
It’s because you didn’t have the haste % for it.
Shit. I was too late.
balmy condor
this is the most active the channel has been in weeks
Nothing happens, someone shows up, says crazy stuff, gets ridiculed, and then comes back on the same day and says more crazy stuff
It’ll happen
carmine dawn
Nice one DK!
gusty mirage
wholesome
magic tendon
Marked for Death later when you get comfortable.
If I use marked then do I open with rupture or snd?
limber lion
If I use marked then do I open with rupture or snd?
Normal opener but you use MfD at 0CP after Flag
limber lion
So Muti - SnD - Muti - Gar - Flag - Rup - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - MFD - Env
magic tendon
Normal opener but you use MfD at 0CP after Flag
Flag is 
balmy condor
I guess what do I know, I’m not rank 20 all stars
timid cloud
Just press the buttons...
limber lion
I guess what do I know, I’m not rank 20 all stars
I'm not even ranked :(
balmy condor
I'm not even ranked :(
strange python
Unranked is best rank cev
limber lion
hollow river
I just don’t get why people try to giga overanalyze things like it matters
you're one of the top rogues in the world to all of us 
strange python
Wdym to all of us
magic tendon
So Muti - SnD - Muti - Gar - Flag - Rup - Vend - Shiv - Vanish - Muti - Env - MF...
What is flag?
balmy condor
whos rank 20 all stars
The haste guy
strange python
He literally is
limber lion
What is flag?
Flagellation, Venthyr covenant ability.
strange python
Whispyr fucks
solar stump
The haste guy
just get more haste pepeHands
magic tendon
Flagellation, Venthyr covenant ability.
Ohh, welp I’m kyrian
carmine dawn
I guess what do I know, I’m not rank 20 all stars
Number 20 on the board number 1 in my heart
limber lion
Ohh, welp I’m kyrian
Just use ER instead then.
balmy condor
Whispyr fucks
strange python
Wait was someone talking about some haste breakpoint
magic tendon
Just use ER instead then.
Ok, thanks for the info
timid cloud
Whispyr is a sex haver. I just wave to him in Sinfall every once & awhile.
balmy condor
Wait was someone talking about some haste breakpoint
Vanish crit = more cp = more flag haste = easier flag stacking
slow marsh
Hey guys do you think NF will be good with the buffs in 9.1.5?
hollow river
kyrian sin
gusty kestrel
arctic walrus
Wait was someone talking about some haste breakpoint
yeah i gotta reforge some haste off, finishing too quick with your dad's timewrap
gusty kestrel
COMING IN HOT WITH THE TEN FUCKING K
solar stump
COMING IN HOT WITH THE TEN FUCKING K
grats
hollow river
I don’t wanna do the quests
i feel
gusty kestrel
thats not me u dumbo
limber lion
He complained earlier that he can't get a good parse because healers don't heal him
strange python
Vanish crit = more cp = more flag haste = easier flag stacking
Wht
solar stump
thats not me u dumbo
grats
limber lion
Oh wells
hollow river
why
magic tendon
If I were to do quests
hollow river
venthyr pretty poggies
strange python
Bro why do people try to be philosophers in WoW bro just press your buttons
limber lion
Necro is pretty dank
magic tendon
Because feels a lot better and big absorb for pvp
hollow river
necro is dank too indeed
hollow river
Because feels a lot better and big absorb for pvp
very true
carmine dawn
Bro why do people try to be philosophers in WoW bro just press your buttons
I actually like to reinvent the wheel once a year for the challenge
hollow river
Because feels a lot better and big absorb for pvp
if your focus is pvp then kyrian sin is goods
strange python
Yea i too like to overanalyze arbitrary shit
hollow river
pve though, not so much
dawn ivy
i still wish necro was better ST, but that would just make its cleave even better
magic tendon
Gn
strange python
Assa needs a rework, too simple for the mega brain WoW academics
hollow river
guys it's ok
limber lion
Everything has variance and rng tied to it. Better minmax every single millisecond of my gameplay to edge out that extra 0.3 dps
hollow river
already decimated
gusty mirage
Assa needs a rework, too simple for the mega brain WoW academics
stop it
I enjoy snacking while pooling energy
hollow river
I enjoy snacking while pooling energy
you should be spamming your buttons as if you had 999999haste
gusty kestrel
Everything has variance and rng tied to it. Better minmax every single milliseco...
aint rng if u just hit the immune orb when ur winds proc
timid cloud
Alright, no more memes, shower, torghast then reclear.
hollow river
balmy condor
I enjoy snacking while pooling energy
The snacks are calories, which allow you to push down your button faster, so your reaction time goes up, might get 3-4 additional autos on a 14 minute sylv pull
drifting cloud
technically still rng unless boss had no debuffs 
timid cloud
I got a spicy meme for you if I can find it later though. Stay tuned.
Real edge of your seat type of beat.
gusty mirage
I got a spicy meme for you if I can find it later though. Stay tuned.
is it a link to my logs?
because that's a meme if I've ever seen one
gusty mirage
hey wait a second
hollow river
is it a link to my logs?
gusty mirage
nah dude I'm garbagio
hollow river
is it a link to my logs?
mine are worse
timid cloud
It’s fine.
gusty mirage
mine are worse
unlikely
timid cloud
Don’t look at my guardian parse. I might have uhhh...forgot my winds of winter....
slow marsh
same im dog water
hollow river
i have no fate kill
limber lion
I'll return a green andy in 9.2
balmy condor
I'll return a green andy in 9.2
Red
hollow river
i had to sit due to internet issues remember
balmy condor
gusty mirage
I'll return a green andy in 9.2
not if my kyrian druid has anything to say about it
hollow river
BRO IM LVLING A DRUID
hollow river
we can both go kyrian
limber lion
good combo
gusty mirage
nah I simp cev for free
balmy condor
get fukd <@!167090536602140682>
I need my healers to stop healing me, opposite problems I guess
ebon notch
Wait was someone talking about some haste breakpoint
nobody talks about the iq breakpoint 
slow marsh
well i dont get heals cuz they know i just dont die
strange python
I could throw a flounder on a keyboard and it would play assa
slow marsh
easy rank 1s
gusty mirage
I could throw a flounder on a keyboard and it would play assa
you can't reuse the same joke you said about outlaw
cmon bruh
limber lion
i'm gonna be the next peen
strange python
different spec same joke
limber lion
ya'll better be bingobongo in your boots already
balmy condor
ya'll better be bingobongo in your boots already
Trembling
limber lion
that's what I said
limber lion
np
ebon notch
ya'll better be bingobongo in your boots already
sry cev what is this highly scientific term u have used here
balmy condor
sry cev what is this highly scientific term u have used here
Secret haste% flag infinite stack hack, just don’t garrote in aoe
limber lion
Secret haste% flag infinite stack hack, just don’t garrote in aoe
yo no leaks please
ebon notch
Secret haste% flag infinite stack hack, just don’t garrote in aoe
are you memeing me good man
limber lion
I only use bleeds
balmy condor
are you memeing me good man
Perhaps
slow marsh
imagine bleeding in aoe
ebon notch
i go for the poison only build in m+
ebon notch
1 cp every 5 seconds could hurt our cp generation
ebon notch
but think of the gains!!
limber lion
There was a roleplayer during CN who asked if they could play their character by only using bleeds
and nothing but bleeds
that's big dick chad energy right there
build with garit, finish with rupto
ebon notch
limber lion
stonks
spice spire
it's been at least a month, yeah?
hollow river
build with garit, finish with rupto
Just use doomblade 4head
ebon notch
someone in this discord did a heroic run today with a kyrian druid and a PI and got 8 rank 1s
so
im not gonna be getting rank 1 assa rogue any time soon
limber lion
Just use doomblade 4head
We actually recommended that to him, but he said that Mutilate is not a bleed so he can't use it
limber lion
someone in this discord did a heroic run today with a kyrian druid and a PI and ...
Chad energy right there
ebon notch
Chad energy right there
yeah yeah i know how you actually feel
hollow river
We actually recommended that to him, but he said that Mutilate is not a bleed so...
Necrolord at least??? Something!!!!
limber lion
Oh it was Syress
Man was begging me for tips back in CN
now he's pumping the charts
hollow river
Mythic Sylvanas prog cancelled tonight 😦
ebon notch
now he's pumping the charts
he could never beat me, until today
well he beat me in mythic
but who cares about that anyway
limber lion
I mean KA+PI is like 1.5k dps
So he should be r1 in every single boss, no doubt about that
Kyrian Druids seem to be a super, super rare breed.
Haven't seen a single one myself
only heard tales
solar stump
Man was begging me for tips back in CN
i needed the help, and I appreciate 🙂
limber lion
Filthy
slow marsh
indeed
violet jackal
unethical gamer
limber lion
i needed the help, and I appreciate 🙂
Yo cute logs Gam, but where's your r1 Fatescribe and Tarragrue?
solar stump
Yo cute logs Gam, but where's your r1 Fatescribe and Tarragrue?
im bad
spice spire
just do more dam 😦