assassination

[oak sky]

like

[spice spire]

Like tank gets PI before you (no. Prot pally) it makes sense to give assa PI, as they do benefit well from it. But I leave it up to others to decide

[oak sky]

100/100 top demo logs have pi

pretty telling

[slow marsh]

dont forget vamp blood

[spice spire]

Cuz my bias is always “just give it to me, or DK during their CD”

[oak sky]

ph yeah

biggest gain is udk with army

[hollow river]

Yeah I mean 100% it goes to a a good demo, boomie, fire mage or even DK cd over me

And our demo isn’t a bad player or anything

But he’s got a lot of set up on p2 burns before he can really damage the boss

[spice spire]

Nah I misunderstood your original point here

Thought it was “I do more dam, therefore I should get PI”

[hollow river]

But that could be true too

If the demo is bad

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

[golden basalt]

How much time are we talking?couldn’t they just let him ramp and then PI?

[hollow river]

You only get so much time to attack boss right there

Especially if the other side got there first

[golden basalt]

yea I know and if his ramping takes that much time I can see why someone else would get it

Just curious, haven’t played demo since legion

[hollow river]

Well he has to cast gate

And portal I think

Then he has to start all his cd’s etc

Idk too much about demo either

[golden basalt]

But giving it to destro seems low-key bad no?

[hollow river]

Destro is kinda bad yes iirc idk why someone said they give it to destro

Maybe they meant demo

[spice spire]

Destro isn’t horrible. Faster casts ig. Our destro is really good, seems to benefit a bit from it too

[slow marsh]

the reason why

is because

there is no reason

the priest just doesn't want to deal with it so she gives it to the warlock so he doesn't throw a fit

[glass tulip]

I'm pretty sure warlocks are one of the classes who get the most benefit from it, hence why they get it in a lot of raid groups

Our raids prio is Locks -> arcane mage -> boomy

[hollow river]

Iirc demo locks specifically get the most from it. They’re invited to pugs because of summons lol

[glass tulip]

Imagine having raid utility

[hollow river]

And lock cookies

And soul stone

[fallen charm]

noob poison

numb*

almost -15% dmg on tanks

we are special bois too

[glass tulip]

Same thing lol, just use defensives 4head

Griefing the healing parses

[hollow river]

Lol idk about that

[uneven hamlet]

what the thing w numb poison after all? I know It tells u that it is a debuff but I also saw someone here saying its sooo bad that don't do any diff at all

[hollow river]

It makes a slight difference

Should still run it for raid for sure

[slow marsh]

demo locks and aff locks yes, destro is on the bottom end unless they are actually cleaving stuff

[solar stump]

anyone else love it when painsmith parries a flag so you get rank 2 instead of rank 1?

me too

[hollow river]

Should’ve flagged from behind him 4head

[solar stump]

*Shouldnt flag him before he's fully down and active 😦

[limber lion]

Ah that's an evade not a parry, but yeh

Ripperino pepperino

[hollow river]

[arctic hare]

Can Crippling Poison stack?

[arctic hare]

I love running crippling for the add in fatescribe, since slower add = good times

[normal mist]

Friends i need some help

I wanted to sim the boe pants and the painsmith legs (both hc) so see which would be better for my character...

Did i failed something here? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eArAD9Z2kK76XXSWz3XKh8

[hollow river]

Stack with what?

[normal mist]

Both pants sim exactly the same

[arctic hare]

Oh, stack with honestly any other slow, but mostly with another rogue's crippling poison

[hollow river]

That’s actually kind of common they both sim the same for me as well but maybe there’s an error idk

[arctic hare]

i'd prolly take painsmith, since well, it can still count as an activator

[oak sky]

Not with another crippling poison

[hollow river]

Highly doubt it stacks with another rogues crippling

[arctic hare]

Dang

[normal mist]

Got shoulders from KT tho,

normal ones

[arctic hare]

guess in the mythic pluses I run with my rogue friend i'll just run numbing poison instead, since I won't need another set of crippling

[normal mist]

they sim higher than HC 1st boss

[arctic hare]

Well, yeah, its higher ilvl, plussss its kt shoulders, and kt shoulders are tasssssty

[timid cloud]

Don’t worry, that doesn’t change even if you get mythic shoulders.

[oak sky]

Yep

[timid cloud]

Heroic KT still outsim even 252’s

[oak sky]

My heroic kt shoulders sim higher than mythic tarragrue

[arctic hare]

So far my heroic KT shoulders don't outsim my 252 shoulders

[normal mist]

this case, i have 233 normal, better than 239 on my bag 😛 so the bonus wouldnt be a problem from switching pants for BoE

[hollow river]

Nope

Depends on the profile

They don’t out sim mythic 252 shoulders for my profile

[oak sky]

True, but its not uncommon for them to outsim since tarra is fucking vers mastery lol

[arctic hare]

okay

yeha

thats normal lol

[hollow river]

For sure

[arctic hare]

Friggin vers mastery, grossssssss

[hollow river]

But it’s still something that gets simmed

[timid cloud]

In most cases it will though since I’ve seen it a lot.

But as per usual....

[arctic hare]

I need to keep simming my 246 kt shoulders compared to my 252 again, and again, cause they seem tochange over and again

[hollow river]

Yeah mine were doing the same

Then I got 259 kt shoulders

[timid cloud]

Poo-poo garbage shoulders. I hate them.

[oak sky]

Notrickz ur so lucky man i got no loot from kt

[timid cloud]

Hoping to get M KT shoulders out of vault this week to replace my Normal KT ones.

[oak sky]

But loot off sylv tonight for sure

[solar stump]

we believe

[oak sky]

She dies.

[solar stump]

Then 2nd dagger in vault

[oak sky]

Extendo

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

[arctic hare]

ouch

[solar stump]

oof

[arctic hare]

Another question

Would my numbing poison get rid of my friend's crippling poison?

[hollow river]

I had gotten no loot except a socketed remnant neck for like 3 months bro I was going insane

[arctic hare]

Thereby overwriting it?

[oak sky]

No frostfire

[hollow river]

I deserved the shoulders

[arctic hare]

Sweet

[hollow river]

Now I deserve mythic edge when we kill boss

[oak sky]

I’m missing hella pieces still reclear coming soonTM

[hollow river]

Last upgrade I got in the past month was a crit vers m+ belt

I have no phial

[timid cloud]

I need luck on my rogue. I got daggys on my first sire kill then the box that week but...

[oak sky]

Wait remnant neck sims high for u too?

[hollow river]

Same. SOON TM

[oak sky]

246 kt is higher for me

[hollow river]

For me? Yes.

I have enough haste

And 42 crit

[timid cloud]

Yeah it’s the best neck usually until M KT & barely even that if I don’t have enough crit.

[oak sky]

It depends on profile

As usual

[timid cloud]

I am about there too.

[hollow river]

Mfd dashing sims higher for me

[oak sky]

Crit haste obe sims higher for me but i dont have it anyway

[timid cloud]

Yeah. Same with uhhh Theotar which is weird.

[hollow river]

If I had m kt neck that might shift my profile idk but I got shoulders so

[timid cloud]

I need to make that this week I think.

[hollow river]

I keep theotar for sub

[timid cloud]

I just swap them now since we get 10 energy per day.

[hollow river]

I need to check and see how much the difference is for sin tho

[timid cloud]

So no real hassle.

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

Theotar is close and can be better with crit tea for some profiles

[arctic hare]

Gotta love those Far Traveler's Shoulders at 252, 70 crit and 50 vers, pretty noice

[oak sky]

Prob more consistent in m+ too

[inland hull]

Question on feelcraft for mfd users: do you feel energy starved compared to vigor? Is the transition away from vigor rough or more in line with using BS/DS?

[arctic hare]

I've finally started to consistently get three heroic vault slots and 2 15 slots per week, its greattttttttttt

[timid cloud]

I think it’s about the same.

[arctic hare]

It seems that Dashing Scoundrel helps a bit with it too, not by much tho

[hollow river]

You feel somewhat starved on opener

After that it’s w/e

Just have to wait a second for your first garrote in opener

After that you’re chillin pretty much

[arctic hare]

Heh, I don't garrote till after I've used my second Master Assassin Proc

[hollow river]

Ehem

Why

[arctic hare]

Idk, just do

[hollow river]

_>

[oak sky]

What does 2nd master assassin mean like vanish?

[arctic hare]

Yeah

[hollow river]

I assume so

You should definitely get bleeds rolling and then vendetta and handle vanish

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oak sky]

Garrote energy good

[hollow river]

Ya

[oak sky]

🙂

[hollow river]

Dmg decent too

🙃

[arctic hare]

I go mut>snd>mut>Vend/Flag/IQD>Rupture>Shiv>Vanish>Mut>Envenom>Mut>Garrote

Hmmmm, gotta figure out where to put that in then

[oak sky]

How about right before flag

[hollow river]

Before flag

[oak sky]

Like the opener on wowhead says

[timid cloud]

NO ONE IS USING IQD

[hollow river]

Also vendetta after gar/flag/rupture

[arctic hare]

I have no choice in that matter lol

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

I am on some fights

[hollow river]

He is

[timid cloud]

NOOOO MY BROTHER

[bleak sky]

Sims good, no reason not to use it

[oak sky]

Iqd is an if its what you have trinket on this class

And its what he has

[arctic hare]

I've got 252 IQD and 242 Phial

[timid cloud]

I cry for you my brudda.

[arctic hare]

Yup

[bleak sky]

IQD feels pretty nice on nerzhul if you're lusting at 30 ish %

[arctic hare]

Its not terrible tho

[bleak sky]

lines up nicely

[arctic hare]

because its friggin hilarious getting 813 crit

[hollow river]

[timid cloud]

I hate how inconsistent it feels when you have the WA because mana to healers is cringe.

[bleak sky]

so you use it when you know you can get 2 good uses

[arctic hare]

Yeah, thats the biggest pain for it

[oak sky]

Haha our raid leader had to change his gear so it would steal our dk’s iqd

[arctic hare]

Ahahahhahah, nice

[oak sky]

Wouldnt

[arctic hare]

So far, its proven itself to be better than my 226 fusion amp

So garrote before flag rupture Vend

[oak sky]

Yes

[timid cloud]

Cause like you can get rid of the heal one & the execute one, but mana is like super annoying to avoid.

[arctic hare]

Then shiv vanish mut>envenom>mut

or envenom>mut>envenom because shiv seems to give me 4 combo points lol

[oak sky]

Shiv can only give 2

[arctic hare]

Hmm, true.

then where the heck am i getting another 2....

Oh well

[oak sky]

I couldnt tell you

[arctic hare]

I can sustain viable dps in my raid, so I'm happy with it

Can't beat that damn Ret pally tho

[oak sky]

Just keep it up

[arctic hare]

Yeah, I know

after we manage to kill that last STUPID .6% OF SYLV HEROIC AGRGHRGH

We might do mythic

[timid cloud]

Ret Pallys are sometimes only good because people die & give them Ret Buff.

[ebon notch]

first 3 bosses are easier than sylv heroic

[oak sky]

Good luck with h sylv, you get it soon for sure

[arctic hare]

Sweet

[timid cloud]

I used to have buyers die for me in sales for those parses on my Ret.

Also big true.

[hollow river]

November 2nd baby

Had no idea til now

[timid cloud]

I can’t wait to maintain 2 Rogues soon. 🥰

[hollow river]

Any new news I wonder

[arctic hare]

I did get my 239 dom socket chestplate after being stuck with a 229 for like, a month and a half

[bleak sky]

but why

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

For next tier? Mirror alt?

[hollow river]

Literally no point in 2 rogues now lol

[arctic hare]

So I got to hit 245 ilvl finally

[hollow river]

???daps

[ebon notch]

which guild

[hollow river]

Oh

[timid cloud]

2 Rogues because my main rogue is on my alt account since I was banned for a few months.

[ebon notch]

ye too many messages bruh

[bleak sky]

yikes

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-skull-not-nice-i-an-not-nice-mean-gif-5666152

[arctic hare]

Ouchhhhhhhh

[hollow river]

No worries bro

[bleak sky]

idk don't be toxic

[timid cloud]

But it’s more geared than the old one. Got luckier.

Also. No.

[arctic hare]

What should I set IQD average proc chance to be?

[timid cloud]

2 rogues, we’ll see who gets daggys first.

What’s IQD CD again?

3?

[arctic hare]

3

trying to accurately sim it this time, justtttttt in case

[timid cloud]

I’d say 100 if you only get one cast in a 5m fight. It’s just weird. I dunno.

[arctic hare]

Yeah, okay

[jaunty steeple]

5 mins is 2 uses

on pull, 3 mins in

[timid cloud]

Well the start then the one at 3m

Bad wording, apologies.

[arctic hare]

Welp, already simmed lol

nowwww its a goin

[jaunty steeple]

also sims generally always don't actually just sim that exact time, it's +-20%, so a 5 min sim is actually doing multiple 4-6 min sims

[arctic hare]

Oh, hmm, good ta know

What the heck

my 233 shadowgrasp totem is better?

[oak sky]

Shadowgrasp is aight

[timid cloud]

Than your 252 IQD?

[arctic hare]

yeah, it is some how

[oak sky]

Shadowgrasp is like our 4th best trinket or something

[arctic hare]

oh, even better that I can upgrade it to 242

[timid cloud]

Guardian, Phial, Eye, Totem in that order. (We don’t mention Relic here, this is a Relic Dislikers zone. 👎 )

[oak sky]

Yep

[arctic hare]

Lol

Hmm, I hadn't expected IQD not to be on that list, guess I'm glad I got that trinket then

[oak sky]

Iqd is ok i guess but its better on other classes

[arctic hare]

Hmmm, shadowgrasp totem in AOE is gonna be fun

AND it lines up with vendetta too, yayyyyyy

I simmed again and it said IQD better, the heck?

weeeeeird

[fleet whale]

The idea of toxic onslaught sounds much better than the reality

but I guess some leggos have to be bad

[timid cloud]

Wait...

You're telling me...

https://i.gyazo.com/b22e3b61b9c618bed9cba63ec296264c.png

People aren't using this legendary?

Darn, I've been in the wrong for so long...

[ebon notch]

i wonder if everyone in raid had it

and had a decent amount of haste

if it could pump

[soft shale]

it is per party

was busted on beta same with eonar

but blizz decided to cut dmg/heal by 70%

and bury it

[fallen charm]

If I change covenants do I lose all the anima upgrades when I go back to the same?

eg: I'm venthyr and have mirrors lv 3, I go to necro and later back to venthyr, do I still have my teleport lv 3?

[jaunty steeple]

your old covenants never lose their stuff

[jaunty steeple]

so yes

[fallen charm]

nice

I was thinking about changing to necro to farm renown

and back to venthyr if it is still the best at 9.1.5

[brazen zodiac]

if i switch to nerco rn, is it possible to get back to ventyhr tomorrow

idk how the swaps work

[drifting cloud]

have you been necro before

if not, you can pickup return quest immediately and you can be venthyr again after reset doing the 2nd return quest

[balmy condor]

wait but that damage is uncapped

[kind talon]

DID SOMEONE SAY UNCAPPED

[fallen charm]

bring 300 ppl to raid an insta kill the bosses

5head

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

OUTLAW CAN TAKE IT

SOMEONE TELL THEM

[balmy condor]

would make as much sense as dealthy

[kind talon]

Deathly is baller

[sharp zodiac]

Whatre our thoughts on the CoS ring rework

[kind talon]

Have to see numbers first

[balmy condor]

it's a ring with an effect competing against rings that don't have an effect

[oak sky]

Pepechortle meta 👍

[balmy condor]

would assume it's good

[sharp zodiac]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/jeweled-signet-of-melandrus-auto-attack-ring-reworked-and-functions-at-max-level-324627

[kind talon]

But yeah

[oak sky]

At least we dont have to pray for vault rng

[kind talon]

Ok so

[oak sky]

We have to pray for 2w rng

[kind talon]

Average melee cast is about 1k

So that means that

Each 10dmg flat on the ring

[brazen zodiac]

huh sorry what

no i never been nerco

[kind talon]

Is “1%” dmg

[sharp zodiac]

Kinda depends if the effect scales

[kind talon]

The old effect was 10%

[sharp zodiac]

the 13 could go up

[kind talon]

Wdym scales?

Yeah it does

[sharp zodiac]

its 13 dps at 184

[kind talon]

But we don’t know what to

[sharp zodiac]

Wondering what it is at 246

[kind talon]

Exactly

13 dps is about

A 1% melee dmg increase

Which is about a

[fallen charm]

idk man

[kind talon]

.13% dps increase

13 damage * not dps

[fallen charm]

de do be slapin our daggers around

[kind talon]

My guess is it will be

[oak sky]

Better than other rings if stats are good, but only at same ilvl assuming these numbers are same then

[kind talon]

Around 3%

Melee dmg

Which translates to like

.3% overall or something

[oak sky]

All depends tho

[kind talon]

Just the effect itself

But yeah we have to see the ac to al

Actual numbers

[spark scaffold]

Does it have same stats as a same ilv ring tho

Or worse

[kind talon]

Pretty sure same stat budget

[spark scaffold]

Then it's just a question if the passive is worth 6 ilv worth of stats

Since you can't get it from vault as far as i know?

[fallen charm]

1 minute slapin here was 110 hits

1300 extra dmg a minute

[spark scaffold]

Ya 20 dps

[fallen charm]

my man have quick maths

[fallen charm]

yeah about that

[brazen zodiac]

never got this before

lmfao

[oak sky]

ummmm

what are you even simming

[brazen zodiac]

some dslice shit

for m+

[fallen charm]

uncapped leggo with 200 ppl

[spice spire]

@oak sky sylv check

[oak sky]

prog start 1 minute

[spice spire]

Keep me updated

I’ve the screenshot ready for dusti

[oak sky]

we have a warlock

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

that isnt here rn

[spice spire]

Oh

[oak sky]

hes here at 8

unsure how it will go until then

[spice spire]

I redact my previous yejoice

[oak sky]

i mean theres some chance we could kill in the first hour i guess

but probably just wait an hour

then ill update u

wait were missing a hunter too

and its our blaster

[oak sky]

@spice spire we hit plat 4 our first pull

i was gigablasting

its happening

[kind talon]

@spice spire

hes doing it

[glass tulip]

@brazen zodiac didnt know that was you, I see you in korthia all the time

[brazen zodiac]

yeah badbttch

i come here often

sadly

[spice spire]

@oak sky

[kind talon]

but ur not coming around rh much

[spice spire]

she's here all the time wdym

[brazen zodiac]

not lately i got a job as an intern

and ive been buried in school work

[hearty void]

anyone have a good plater profile for sin?

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

our very own @limber lion 's profile

[hearty void]

tyty

[gusty mirage]

also whispyr has his on there

they're similar

https://wago.io/p/Whispyr

[oak sky]

@spice spire not yet

[spice spire]

soon

[oak sky]

so many bad pulls

lowrolling winds in opener

the first pull i was giga blasting

its literally any pull now

just need to cut dumb mistakes

[timid cloud]

👋🏼

[brazen zodiac]

👋

[timid cloud]

Some say, we still haven't seen that Rogue since he tried to weirdflex on us in Sinfall.

He never logged back on.

[hollow river]

BOYS

IT FINALLY DROPPED

the phial i mean

[spice spire]

@oak sky mental fort gamer

you're going to blast the down

no shot it lives

[viscid schooner]

I have the phial but not the weps haha i runned through mots for like 20 times no dagger

Did sylvanas 10 times no dagger

Fuck my life

[oak sky]

45% wipe

8.3k dps

[spice spire]

no fucking way

p3 check tho king

if not private, going to need that link

[hollow river]

i just got a mots dagger that'd be -70 dps if i upgraded to 246

[oak sky]

quake

theyll be up after

our raid ends

you can look at all our logs

[timid cloud]

How much time is left?

[spice spire]

T-1 hour until the nuke button is pressed

[oak sky]

shit dps

[spice spire]

No nukes tonight kings

[oak sky]

im tilted

my worst pull

basically

was the kill

[spice spire]

8.9k p3

Gg go next

[oak sky]

im so mad

[hollow river]

Gratz bro!!!

[oak sky]

at least i got it

@balmy condor there was no hopium anyway

[hollow river]

No loot?

[oak sky]

yeah

no loot

[spice spire]

Loot/vault check?

[oak sky]

shit parse

[spice spire]

We getting a vault this week tho

[balmy condor]

gratz

[spice spire]

?

[hollow river]

No

Prolly extended

[spice spire]

I’d assume so too

But going for here

[oak sky]

yeah we were extended

[hollow river]

Bro you got CE

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

Now you can just sit back and farm vaults

And play PoE

[oak sky]

i dont play poe

[hollow river]

Oh

[oak sky]

i can

[hollow river]

Well great time to start

[brazen zodiac]

are u talking about that one rogue that said he'd out dps with his 220 daggers

[hollow river]

I literally just started

But we’re veering off topic

[oak sky]

literally

[hollow river]

Literally

I got my phial tonight

And we’re finally bringing a monk into prog

[spice spire]

Monk buff

[hollow river]

Time to go back and fix all my mythic parses on farm

[spice spire]

Relevant, sorry king

[oak sky]

yeah

[hollow river]

You did 8.1k bro that’s pretty decent

83 parse

[brazen zodiac]

time to do 9 dungenons

[hollow river]

I only did 4

[brazen zodiac]

and pray i can kill at least 6 heroic bosses

[hollow river]

And no heroic

I’m 30 embers from r5 blood too

[spice spire]

I did 3 fucking 16s and forgot to do a 4th

[hollow river]

Our other rogue is rerolling ww

And traded me my phial earlier

His rogue and ww already have theirs

I’m fully geared from m+ now unless I get 252 pf ring or phial to replace my 246s

[spice spire]

Same. Could also use a 252 top haste crit ring

But that’s it

[hollow river]

That sims higher than Sylvanas heroic ring for you?

I got insanely weird luck tonight

I got haste crit ring from top

Dagger from mists

And phial from pf

And all I needed was the phial

[timid cloud]

Yeah, with the full green/grey parses LOL

[spice spire]

Yeah 42% crit pushing me to haste now

[hollow river]

Same

Using eye trinket I’m at 40 or 42%

Still got me using M remnant neck > H kt and H sylv + 246 pf rings

Guess it’s time for me to finish codex rep

Only way I’m getting any real dps upgrades til farm

[fallen arch]

Gz champ

[oak sky]

thanks

[sinful socket]

What's everybody's conduit tree? Triple potency or the 3% damage buff on target with 2 potency?

[fallen arch]

For what content?

For raids u probably want duelist and 2x potency

[strange python]

Marileth m+ and Heirmir raids

[fallen arch]

If you’re necro that is

But his question suggested he plays venthyr

[strange python]

i played venth this patch only while leveling my renown for 9.1.5 like a month or so ago and i played Dauntless in raids and Theotar in m+ , but i don't know much further than that 😂

[sinful socket]

okay so i am doing it right then haha, i run well placed steal then for M+ 3 potency and lethal poison/katar

[kind talon]

OMEGALUL

AHAHAHAHHA

[kind talon]

26 here

boutta have a goated sub week

[fallen arch]

It kinda depends tbh, I think the extra prio you get with duelist is nice in M+ too + it’s extra boss damage which is kinda why you take a rogue

Don’t think it’s worth it taking katar/wps over dauntless duelist but I might be wrong

[oak sky]

i like lashing wps lethal in m+

[fair glade]

Blood shards are better than frost atm?

[sinful socket]

WPS is better than Lethal anyway so would always take it provides huge increase to prio target, i see your point with duelist though its nice in M+ depends on the week too though, this week its decent because bolstering means smaller packs for the most part especially in pugs

[sinful socket]

frost with dashing leggo is still the best i thnik

think*

[fallen arch]

Not for sin it ain’t

[fallen arch]

Both counduits are super whatever in terms of output, pick whatever you want. You won’t notice the difference. In 9.1.5 we’ll probably all be playing necro for dungeons anyway

[fair glade]

okok thanks for the tip

[fallen arch]

[fair glade]

thanks for the tip too !

[sinful socket]

true

[fallen arch]

Frost for outlaw and sin, blood for sub

[fair glade]

Do you have any opinion on the crimson 9.1.5 ?

[fallen arch]

Wdym?

[fair glade]

i upgraded very early my unholy and had to up the frost set i'm at 1 R5 and 2 R4 if i had to change i would have cried

[fallen arch]

It’s gonna provide a damage boost on more than 8 targets which is nice, but your avg group doesn’t pull that big

[fair glade]

Not this op then but swapping necro with the cov leggo might be better no ?

[fallen arch]

No, Zoldyck

Since it’s gonna buff your bleeds and poisons on all those targets

I don’t see it being OP, even when you’re able to pull big your friendly monks and fire mages are gonna obliterate packs faster than your CT can tick out

It sure as shit is gonna beat outlaw tho

[fair glade]

xD

lets go on "Peak of Serenity" and reroll ww xD

[echo geyser]

i wonder how much that gap will close for edge of night on sin vs sub in keys now with target cap

sub still has DD tho

[gusty mirage]

@echo geyser do you ever sleep?

[balmy condor]

Wow community over analyzing changes that have minimal effect

Name a better combo

[fallen arch]

Wdym ram is eu?

It’s 09:25 here

[echo geyser]

i am currently on a SATANIC schedule

[gusty mirage]

Well aware of that fact

[balmy condor]

He says at 3am

[fallen arch]

Oxi has kids, you never sleep when u have kids

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire and saying “on jah”

[balmy condor]

Are we his kids?

[echo geyser]

i have to when sin copiumers are coming

[gusty mirage]

Listen don’t be exposing my awful sleep schedule like that

[kind talon]

[echo geyser]

i wont be able to sleep at night when sin becomes meta in m+

[fallen arch]

Will it be tho?

[echo geyser]

only time will tell

[gusty mirage]

I’m just awake from anticipation of finally upgrading my 239 tarragrue shoulders

[echo geyser]

gz

[balmy condor]

Sin omega stonks with more targets because Fok cp gen maybe critting with 2 extra targets, and outlaw in the dumpster because they can’t flurry more than 5 targets, and sub rogues don’t care anyways because they only press eviscerate whenever possible anyways

What a weird time we’re having

[gusty mirage]

KT won’t drop his shoulders for me and it’s making me sad

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

how cool would it be

if i got

[gusty mirage]

Almost as cool as the anticipation for the rest of that statement

[oak sky]

witherheart

chestplate

in vault

after helping with the grom heroic raid

the last heroic piece i need

then

[gusty mirage]

Is that the sylv chest piece? I’m not good with actual item names

[echo geyser]

i am willing to trade kt legs and sylv chest for edge

[oak sky]

i could get the eye chest from reclear

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

and it wont matter at all

[gusty mirage]

I’d take that, but unfortunately ya boy just gets anima and Stygian embers

So I’d be trading you nothing

All my mythic gear was traded to me

[timid cloud]

Did y'all kill it @oak sky

[oak sky]

yeah

[echo geyser]

I hope seli comes back we need our sin rogue back

[oak sky]

i get to reclear tomorrow

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

Seli’s busy grinding maps or whatever people do in path

[echo geyser]

PoE too g ood

[timid cloud]

Reclear vault will be crispy though.

[oak sky]

we arent gonna get a full reclear

[gusty mirage]

I downloaded it, sat in queue for 10 minutes and alt f4’d

[oak sky]

we're taking wednesday off

[timid cloud]

Hey, even 3 is good enough.

[oak sky]

they said theyre hoping to get through kt

in our 2 days left

[timid cloud]

Or at least Painsmith.

[echo geyser]

its a rly good game, quite easy to get in to, impossible to master even if u are a 9head

[oak sky]

i want every boss its parse time

[timid cloud]

Painsmith reprog was monkaShake

[gusty mirage]

Wow’s too difficult for me and my rotation is like 4 buttons max

Poe too smart for me

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

i like dont even remember how to do the early bosses anymore

its been so long

[echo geyser]

i just watch whispyr PoE gaming

[timid cloud]

Same as Heroic.

[oak sky]

you think i was doing heroic consistently besides sylv

[gusty mirage]

You face roll up to nerzhul, then wipe on him for about 20 minutes because the timings are all fucked

Then you one shot soulrender

[oak sky]

lol

that isnt happening

soulrender is never a one shot

[gusty mirage]

Then you ask to be sat on painsmith

[oak sky]

why would i ask to be sat

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

ive only done the fight once

[timid cloud]

The soulrender outgear is STRONK

[gusty mirage]

Because fuck that boss that’s why

[echo geyser]

where strum?

[gusty mirage]

Anyone who enjoys painsmith is mentally ill, and that’s a hill I will die on

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

mentally ill gamers rise up

o7

[gusty mirage]

Got my decent parse. Never going back

Don’t want a 252 veinripper. Don’t care

Never want to see that boss again on mythic

[oak sky]

i literally put offspec weapon on our loot sheet

i dont play outlaw

[fair glade]

xD

[echo geyser]

come play outlaw

[oak sky]

you want another zoomer?

[gusty mirage]

I have been with a 246 pox and 246 eon

That’s good enough for me

[echo geyser]

or loot them for some mains

[oak sky]

but fr 9.1.5 is the time 👀

[echo geyser]

i still cant get over the raid i had 2 weeks ago

[gusty mirage]

Nah our gabagool brained DHs can deal with that themselves

[balmy condor]

Tomorrow before raid

[echo geyser]

3 fists 1 jaithys 1 bow 1 dagger

same raid

[oak sky]

oh yeah we got a bow on our kill

just now

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr strums are the only thing I look forward to on Tuesdays

[oak sky]

3 hunters 1 drop

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

Because it’s my weekly disappointment day and then 3 hours of wiping on sylv

Just pain

Nothing but pain

[echo geyser]

oh yes NA vault in what 7hrs 20min

[oak sky]

yep

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

Then I look over to my 2nd monitor and our boy is grinding out some track mania to reserve sanity

[oak sky]

time to check if I got the one item that is a potential upgrade

👍

[gusty mirage]

This time for sure

[oak sky]

it exists

[timid cloud]

Pray for me, men....

I will get an upgrade this week from vault.

[gusty mirage]

Also @echo geyser I’ve gotten 5 brooms on my vdh alt and 0 on my rogue and monk

[fair glade]

na just do as i and take the tokens for a whole month xD

[echo geyser]

i still have 0 on my monk, but i did stop doing the daily quest after buying it

[gusty mirage]

The drop rate in it this year is sick

Ty papa ion

[echo geyser]

its 20-30% from daily and dungeon

[timid cloud]

I got horseman mount this year with the one year I had only one toon. Papa bless...

[echo geyser]

gz

[timid cloud]

Last year I did it on 20 a day. I am free.

[oak sky]

man

gz

[gusty mirage]

I just want to kill Sylvanas and beat the tier

So I can be wow free until like march when 9.2 comes out

[oak sky]

i guess im done with the tier

but like

farm

parse

and now m+

alts

offspec

so much content still

[gusty mirage]

Yeah man, doing the korthia intro and campaign on those alts and farming dom shards and sockets again

Thrilling content

[oak sky]

im waiting until 9.1.5 to minimize the effort i need to put into alts

[timid cloud]

I do it just because it’ll get me more gold in the long run.

[gusty mirage]

Alt friendly expansion guys

[echo geyser]

theres no ember catchup right?

only korthia

[gusty mirage]

Correct

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

Because why would there be

Selling point system of 9.1 with zero catch up

[timid cloud]

Gonna be doing raid anyways

[gusty mirage]

But we can farm torghast infinitely now

It’s fine

I already have 5? 262 legendaries

[oak sky]

lol i have 3

[echo geyser]

do u guys even have 2 decked out chars?

i cant even imagine trying to have 3 rdy chars

[timid cloud]

It’s not hard.

[gusty mirage]

Dashing, obe, finality, zold, and celerity all at 262

[timid cloud]

Just do it right.

[echo geyser]

share the deets

[gusty mirage]

Just loot the items 4head

[oak sky]

i dont even have 1 decked out char

[timid cloud]

You pick the class, you pick the spec, you farm until you need it to do bare minimum then you sit on it.

[gusty mirage]

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

Bamfam is built diff

[timid cloud]

I’ll be doing it soon, 2 Rogues, Hunter, Monk, & Paladin, maybe even more.

Pray for me, but it’ll be done.

[gusty mirage]

Jesus dude

Why

[echo geyser]

link me ur armory

[timid cloud]

Sales. That’s why.

[echo geyser]

@timid cloud

[oak sky]

ill end up with a geared rogue an ok monk and a rat paladin probably

[gusty mirage]

Don’t edit this. It’s perfect as is

[oak sky]

why would i edit it

[timid cloud]

Which?

[gusty mirage]

Exactly

[echo geyser]

all that u consider geared

[timid cloud]

Sec.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah my monk’s 245 ilvl and I don’t consider it anywhere near geared

[oak sky]

yeah my rogue's 248 ilvl

[timid cloud]

I’ll be months behind now, but I’ll live.

[echo geyser]

no ember catchup in 9.1.5 is yikers

rest is grindable i suppose

funneled by guild etc

[oak sky]

full set only takes 6 weeks thats fair

[gusty mirage]

Wdym just go back in time

Teleport back to June and start gearing your alts

[oak sky]

too many same time L ratio

[fair glade]

Playing in a serious guild helps a lot on alts gearing even more in 9.1.5 hope i can find one that can help me beat this tier before 9.2

[timid cloud]

I just want to farm M so much that we can do alt M raid.

[echo geyser]

idk if i should do UH or blood next on monk

[oak sky]

wait

do u have frost??

[echo geyser]

yeah for keys

[oak sky]

o

lmao

blood i think

[timid cloud]

Do Quick CE on my other Rogue, see which gets Daggys first.

[oak sky]

eh

[timid cloud]

[echo geyser]

6 weekly boss alt raid is the way for daggies

[oak sky]

i dont want to raidlog anymore ramfam

teach me how to not do it

[echo geyser]

just go for the m+ title as sin

[timid cloud]

I got gigga lucky on Rogue in CN. First Sire kill on it? Dagger. Weekly chest? Dagger. Coasting for the tier.

[oak sky]

ooof

put in the time

[timid cloud]

Just simply log in & create your own content.

[echo geyser]

either that or u can be a mount collector/pet battler/transmog farmer

[oak sky]

all 20s was my goal for this tier but its gonna be way too easy

[timid cloud]

Well it’s a start.

[echo geyser]

just wait for 9.1.5 and ull be swimming in clout as sin rogue

[oak sky]

i just havent been doing keys because no reason to

[echo geyser]

put in note

"CT UNCAPPED"

[oak sky]

LMAO

the tank

will think about his route

oh wait

no he wont

omg uncapped

take

take

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

HES NOT OUTLAW

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

i can kinda play sub too anyway

at least in keys

i tried a couple

[echo geyser]

sin prob gonna be nice when u can pull big

[timid cloud]

I just do it for the 10 a week, so why not try to push a smidge? Pray for 252 phial & 252 good daggy, or 252 off piece.

[echo geyser]

dos and halls gonna be interesting

[oak sky]

true

and sin funnel isnt bad either

its not sub

but with vendetta

📈

[echo geyser]

maybe

[timid cloud]

📠

[oak sky]

yeah

maybe me and dekai will get the old rio wintrade going next patch

if i play enough

[echo geyser]

@kind talon what is this unethical gaming

[timid cloud]

I pray Sin survives whatever is in the next tier.

[oak sky]

ok ramfam

just for you

im gonna get some 20s done this coming week

doesnt matter

[timid cloud]

What about me...

[oak sky]

how shit the wweek is

[echo geyser]

just wait till week 8

[timid cloud]

I literally...

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

ill just have reclear

no stress

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

then i can pug some keys

or maybe play with the bozu 👀

[timid cloud]

Don’t forget, open box.

[echo geyser]

bozu

[oak sky]

theres nothing there this week bro

[timid cloud]

Tomorrow is Boxing Day.

Did you not even do a singular 15?

[oak sky]

oh sure

but nothing is an upgrade

i think

[timid cloud]

Not a single thing? Not a single Christmas miracle?

Let me see this.

[echo geyser]

NA is today tho?

7hrs

[oak sky]

yeah

but ill sleep before

[echo geyser]

are u EU @timid cloud

[oak sky]

so it might as well be tomorrow

[echo geyser]

ah right

evening EU

[timid cloud]

Yeah. I’m just delaying sleep. I’m NA.

[echo geyser]

nighttime NA

or morning

rather

[timid cloud]

3:10am

[oak sky]

1:10 am

[echo geyser]

+7hrs box i guess

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-peppo-sleep-gif-22663735

[oak sky]

ill be back awake in 10 hours i think

but i need to keep studying

[regal herald]

Goodmorning everyone ! 🙂

[fair glade]

good morning

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage on jah?

[alpine latch]

I ran DS last night in a 15 instead of Vigor. Not sure how I feel about it

Seemed to do more overall than usual but I also just had a really good tank that was constantly pulling

[subtle tundra]

i'd say DS/MFD are better but makes the gameplay feel worse

but i havent tested them

[alpine latch]

Yeah, didn't run MFD

[grim hornet]

worse? mfd gameplay is nuts ❤️

[frigid kestrel]

I can’t get MFD gameplay down pat in keys

[fallen arch]

Me neither

[frigid kestrel]

I must suck really bad

[grim hornet]

wdym

assign a keybind to mfd?

[fallen arch]

It’s the sniping you gotta practice

Cba

[frigid kestrel]

^

[grim hornet]

kk, misunderstood

[fallen arch]

Also it feels like padding

Cos u usually get the prio/funnel task

Unless u mouseover mfd and funnel those finishers into your prio target

[grim hornet]

i mean... that's the whole point of mfd, isnt it?

[fallen arch]

Ye now that I think of it

But

[grim hornet]

for example, i use mfd on domination chains and the arrow adds in sylv

just to hit sylvanas harder

[fallen arch]

Won’t u get energy starved in ur subt opener?

I guess u lose out on one empowered garrote?

[grim hornet]

i don't play keys as sin so i can't help u there. But in keys as u run subt and want the 3 garrotes u could use mfd snd from stealth to the lowest hp target

so u can get it back asap

[frigid kestrel]

Well that’s why I said I can’t play it in keys

In raid it seems simple enough

[prime anchor]

Obidience or doomblade reason im asking lot of people in my guild telling me to craft obidience but I see a lot of people using doomblade

[grim hornet]

i think doomblade pulls ahead if u are necro

[prime anchor]

Venthyr

[grim hornet]

then i think dashing scoundrel is better

[prime anchor]

I have no chance getting that from last raid patch

[normal mist]

You can get it other ways tho

From your covenent, from korthia

[grim hornet]

i got a leggo from SLG this weekend via LFR

its time consuming, but u can do it

[normal mist]

If he doesn't miss many he can just gamble it, on the covenent quartermaster or korthia dude In the cave

[grim hornet]

oh true

u need anima/cataloged research for that, isnt it?

[prime anchor]

Oh really you can get it on korthia I might google that 1

Ty guys

[normal mist]

Catalogs and offerings I believe

Not anima

[hollow river]

Depending on your characters profile (gear)and your ilvl you might be fine crafting obedience for right now. A lot of people use it. For raid and m+

Dashing scoundrel+rank 5 frost dom shards tends to be the end goal though

[prime anchor]

I’m pretty new currently using zoldyck for mplus, but I want to try raiding in the next couple of weeks

I got enough soul ash to create, but just want your 2 cents what is easiest to manage rotation wise

[normal mist]

Are you venthyr?

[prime anchor]

Yes

[normal mist]

Covenent specific one tends to be amazing for both assa and sub

[prime anchor]

Okay, I might start with that leggo till I get sim socket and shards

[normal mist]

Just craft it 235

And get your 262 once you are sure on what to do

[prime anchor]

Yeah I got enough souls for 235

[hollow river]

Yeah if you’re just starting out obedience should be fine.

Just work towards getting Dashing and more ash and whatnot for later

[prime anchor]

Ty guys really appreciate it

[normal mist]

A tip if you have alts: you can actually trade 300 soul ashe for a 250 soul ashe cache that can be sent to your other characters. Used that method to craft both obedience (235) and dashing (262) in the same day

[prime anchor]

Ty

[normal mist]

[uneven wraith]

at least on my rogue obedience and dashing were basically neck and neck at 262 until i had rank 3 frost set, then dashing pulled ahead

so first starting out obedience is a good all rounder choice

[prisma cypress]

even when dashing pulls ahead, it's not by much

obedience is very good for assa in both raid and m+, and you can use it for subtlety too

[normal mist]

^

[golden basalt]

LFR shouldn’t be a problem

that’s how I got mine this patch, started off this exp playing Druid and switched fully in 9.1

[prime anchor]

Thanks

[grim hornet]

i gotta say that at 9.1 launch it was easier than now

like ppl who queue for LFR CN is -1 per minute

[hollow river]

Yes but in raid you have to play close attention that you’re obedience isn’t netting you an extra cast otherwise it’d be much better to run dashing

Therefor even if dashing is winning slightly I’d rather use it as I don’t have to worry about it

[prisma cypress]

you mean paying attention that obedience is netting you an extra cast? and using dashing even if obedience is ahead?

[golden basalt]

Risk for obedience pulling ahead next tier tho, but considering the soul ash buffs you’d be fine crafting a new legendary by then

[uneven wraith]

couldnt obedience pull ahead just by virtue of frost set not working anymore

[prisma cypress]

theres no doubt

[hollow river]

Yes.

[golden basalt]

that’s the whole premise of it, dashing with frost is great synergy

[hollow river]

If obedience doesn’t net you an extra cast for a fight then I’d assume dashing would win for that fight.

(Assume)*

[grim hornet]

if there's no frost set and obedience won't give u an extra cast, then i think instead of dashing we will go back to doomblade

[hollow river]

You mean next tier I assume

I mean now

[viscid spear]

I'm dying for info on 9.2
Want to obsess way too much on bosses in the next raid

[grim hornet]

oh ye, that's for sure

i just hope rogue is in a good spot for 9.2

so i can keep playing it and not the monk the warr or any other peasant melee

[uneven wraith]

im kind of expecting across the board "gg no re nerfs" to venthyrs :p

especially boomy and pala

wouldnt be surprised if rogues get caught up as colateral damage

because the msot likely target is probably theotar

but thats more a sub problem than assa

[viscid spear]

I am excited to be able to try Necrolord in 9.1.5 without penalty, new experience

[grim hornet]

well nadja is bis for outlaw so idc 😄

if u like free cps, you are gonna enjoy it

[viscid spear]

Outlaw

[grim hornet]

i played necro in 9.0.5 and sniping with sbs and mfd was a ton of fun

[hollow river]

No such thing as bis

[grim hornet]

minigaming while all the ppl sweat

[hollow river]

[grim hornet]

ok... my apologies good sir

[viscid spear]

This is the Sinner channel, not Pool-Noodle Pirate

[grim hornet]

it was just a way of talking

D:

if this is Sinner channel... then i can say BiS all the times i want

ò.ó

[hollow river]

Yeah ik I’m just saying with or without frost can bring big changes to each spec

You never know what’ll be best

[viscid spear]

We're Sinners, not animals

[hollow river]

[grim hornet]

haha

[viscid spear]

Then we have those sycophants in Sub
We're all sinners together, the great heathen spec of Rogue

[lavish garnet]

Hello folks I got recommended to join here Didnt even know this discord was a thing

[spice spire]

Yes man

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

[viscid schooner]

What weapons are good for sin? I farmed mots alot and it doesnt drop for me, even sylvanas not

So what daggers are more good for me