assassination

[clever kindle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7TF9GhJbAqBKjkRC#fight=12&type=damage-done my best eye parse for example

[gusty mirage]

like for example, I have warrior buff, chaos brand, and monk debuff

it all adds up

[upbeat needle]

I'd at least like to crack fucking 80

[gusty mirage]

then strats can play a huge factor into it too

[upbeat needle]

I usually have to go full ST when we reclear for like Soulrender for example

[clever kindle]

so just go ham single target, I wouldnt worry too much about aoe fights as a single target class

You're being brought for boss damage not to kill the adds

[gusty mirage]

yeah playing sin especially, you're griefing yourself if you try to keep up in aoe

[visual prairie]

i don't even bother with ct on soulrender anymore. just tunnel on boss

[quasi grotto]

I wanna ct soulrenfer just for a better parse

[clever kindle]

Lets use my mythic nzoth parse as an example

Looks average right

[upbeat needle]

here be us

[clever kindle]

This is when you swap my nzoth parse to 'Damage to Bosses'

[quasi grotto]

Yeah my damage to bosses is normally pretty decent

[clever kindle]

We all have our own role to fill in our raids

[upbeat needle]

this mine I guess it's cool

[hollow escarp]

CT is nice on Soulrender, even for ST

[quasi grotto]

Of course why I don't care on pprog

Whatever gets it down quicker

[hollow escarp]

I say that but my best boss damage parse was still with PB

[clever kindle]

I found its about even, going CT lets you funnel some crit damage into Winds

but overall not much difference

[upbeat needle]

yea I prob should be running CT for funnel

[quasi grotto]

Is that boss damage?

[hollow escarp]

yes

[upbeat needle]

we be taking mad long to grip adds tho I feel like

[drifting cloud]

80k boss dps

😓

[upbeat needle]

Soulrender prob not a good metric to judge tho.

for me at least

We're reclearing for trials atm but we're on Fatescribe so I'll just have to see how shit goes

[hollow escarp]

I rarely check group dps

[drifting cloud]

oh that pic is from a wipe

[hollow escarp]

ahh, it's progress

[upbeat needle]

nah

reclear but I left early, didn't need anything from boss

lemme grab a kill

I just grabbed most recent since that was last night

[drifting cloud]

the total dmg is 31mil, boss has over 40

[hollow escarp]

42.15m

[upbeat needle]

here's a kill

[hollow escarp]

we do good single target damage but on that boss it's not the only things that matter

Overlord is pretty important as well

[upbeat needle]

I'll usually gar/rup the Overlord and stick on boss since they want me to funnel into him

and then CT the adds

[clever kindle]

lol my soulrender will be forever fucked because my raid lead asks me to vendetta an overlord

Slowly using it later as people become less braindead with brands

will eventually transition it off and pray nobody notices

[upbeat needle]

lmao

inb4 "overlord damage is a bit low guys"

raid leader checks logs

"wtf Ry"

[hollow escarp]

killing the boss > logs

[upbeat needle]

these be facts

I care bout parse on reclears

[drifting cloud]

I mean sure but vendettating an overlord

is stupid no matter how you look at it

[hollow escarp]

yup, shouldn't need cooldowns on it

if everybody swaps

[drifting cloud]

its not supposed to live 20s

even 15, and not like you magically insta have dots on it

[ebon notch]

where is adblock in ur rotation

[upbeat needle]

lmaooo fuck u

I need to get one forreal tho

[hollow escarp]

not supporting wcl

[pallid bough]

@balmy condor after shards are gone, is it back to Doomblade?

Since Frost Shard and High crit is the reason why dashing is performing better?

Assuming that legendary balance is current (which prob won’t be)

[balmy condor]

Idk maybe

Depends on 9.2 borrowed power as well

[ebon notch]

2 set bonuses hype

but you have to level them again

[dense hamlet]

fuck off

[ebon notch]

you got any ecstasy?

[dense hamlet]

no

[ebon notch]

then u fuck off

[dense hamlet]

no

[ebon notch]

[dense hamlet]

[ebon notch]

i see we are at an impasse

[dense hamlet]

do a roll lets see whos gonna fuck off

[ebon notch]

/roll

100

[dense hamlet]

:\

[ebon notch]

u fuck

[dense hamlet]

ok

[sharp zodiac]

9.1.5 is taking away the prove your worth quests to swap right now correct???

Because I just had a guildy show me on PTR when he went to swap at 80 renown he still had to fill the bar

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[slow marsh]

Inc night fae mega stonks

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

I have to have something to keep me excited about the game right now lol

9.1.5 turned out to be a massive let down for me

[spice spire]

Uncapped FoK and CT brethren

No talent rework tho

[sharp zodiac]

4 months of raid-log gaming

[strange python]

i mained assa in m+ and raids this patch and with outlaw still being capped i now have even more reason to continue playing my poison lady

[cerulean nest]

nfae BIS again? lol

[spice spire]

No

[visual prairie]

i mean how many significant pulls are more than 8 mobs

will we really notice?

de other side

[autumn frost]

Dos you can pull the entire place.

Also it allows us to do bigger pulls.

In ardenweald.

Mists can get big at the end.

Spires with the spears.

[viscid schooner]

Not that im high lvl keys but i dont change my spec to and still good dps for my ilvl

[autumn frost]

Plaguefall pull all the slimes at the beginning.

[viscid schooner]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/frydshrimp

Can someone give me tips?

[autumn frost]

Sanguine much of the dungeon.

[viscid schooner]

Dont tell weapons upgrade those badboys never drop for me

[visual prairie]

sanguine you're in constant aoe pull but we arent' typically fighting much more than 8

[autumn frost]

You can be with a bear tank

[visual prairie]

i guess we'll see, but i can't imagine we'll suddenly be good at aoe since we still have no burst aoe

[strange python]

I do 10-11k dps overall on m+ now as sin. Absolutely love it.

[viscid schooner]

Nice

[autumn frost]

Incarn they definitely pull bigger

[strange python]

Its just fine. Most burst classes have burst for only specific times

[viscid schooner]

Im yealous of you guys and your key level haha

[strange python]

We are consistent

[autumn frost]

Necrotic Wake there are several big big pulls

[visual prairie]

so if there are 20 mobs and half are low health and half are moderate

and we CT and hit all 20

and then 10 of them die but CT still a good chunk of time

is it a weak ct on th remaining 10?

becuase of the DR ?

[strange python]

I see a lot of rogues completely neglectung ruptures on big packs

[autumn frost]

Still need a rupture or two for regen

[strange python]

Pretty important. Unles ls they die really fast

[autumn frost]

Definitely on prio

[visual prairie]

like am I going to have to track how strong my current CT is like i track bleed strength on my feral

[strange python]

Or spamming CT

Its a dot

Lol

[autumn frost]

Spamming CT is silly

[strange python]

Yea

Hahah

[autumn frost]

We not sub rogues

[visual prairie]

if you hit 30 mobs with ct it's a really weak ct on all of them right?

20 instantly die

[strange python]

You just target mobs that ahvent and redo

[visual prairie]

wouldn't a strong ct on the remaing 10 be worth it?

[autumn frost]

The dot unlikely to be weakened.

[visual prairie]

even before pandemic?

what do you mean unlikely? the damage of CT is fixed based on how many targets it hits after patch

but it's less adn less if its over 8

[autumn frost]

That's the flat damage.

Not the dot.

[cerulean nest]

so we can get the Legion melee ring to 246 right?

[autumn frost]

Didn't they not code it to work?

[visual prairie]

oh really, the dot is full strength no matter how many targets you hit?

[autumn frost]

It would be hard to code otherwise

[gusty mirage]

Did they actually make the dot damage scale?

[strange python]

No you need to buy a token in the store in order for it to work 😝

[visual prairie]

i have no idea. i didn't even think about it. for some reason in my head i assumed it would

[gusty mirage]

I’ll probably test it out sometime this weekend

[autumn frost]

Like they reworked some other items to work. But not the ring.

[visual prairie]

if they can instantly figure out the initial hit scaling, it wouldn't be any harder ot figure out the dot scaling too

[gusty mirage]

My initial thought is they’d scale down the initial hit

[strange python]

I think the poisoned katar conduit should become baseline

😇

[autumn frost]

That depends on fight and dungeon still

[gusty mirage]

Recoding how the dot applies seems like a recipe for blizzard to break 50 new things

[visual prairie]

i guess. i have no idea how it keeps track of bleeds and how hard it would be to say, this is 1000 base damage before other dynamic buffs every 2 seconds for 12 seconds and then be able to scale that like they scale the initial

[oak sky]

Pretty sure its just the inital damage getting reduced

[visual prairie]

that would be cool i guess. tooltip just says damage is reduced over 8 targets.

since almost all of the ct damage comes from the dot, it would make CT basically uncapped

[oak sky]

Fine with me

[visual prairie]

which seems too good to be true, but fingers crossed

[balmy condor]

so just a damage buff?

[balmy condor]

no btw

[oak sky]

So we have it

The true uncap hack

[dim mural]

do we play bek for sylvanas or go for more defensive one?

[oak sky]

@balmy condor is shadow damage on bp still fully uncapped

[strange python]

@balmy condor you think nf/toxic onslaught is gonna be a thing?

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

dog shit lego on sin

actual trash

on sub, might be okay

[balmy condor]

zed

[visual prairie]

Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead.

[strange python]

@balmy condor they redesigned it tho you get 2 of them after using sepsis

https://gyazo.com/44b7a5a7bea6df0a6008b83e88d8d9f8

[balmy condor]

the pin from 9/21 is in response to that

it's a dogshit legendary

you will never use it

[strange python]

oh okay I thought It was a sim in 9.1

[balmy condor]

in terms of 9.1 sims

it's currently over 1k dps behind obed and dashing

[visual prairie]

yeah, but now it will be uncapped

[balmy condor]

so unless there's some super secret sauce that allows vendetta + blades + adrenaline rush (which is still bugged btw) to randomly cross streams ghostbuster style and quintuple our dps one shot area 51 alien technology

there is no shot in hell that it's good

[odd meteor]

nice lol

[oak sky]

i hope it stays that way fuck night fae

[visual prairie]

so you're saying there's a chance?

[balmy condor]

0 chance

fae bad

I don't want to keep talking about fae

[strange python]

What else would you wish for then dmg? 😄

[balmy condor]

2 cp baseline

[strange python]

Yeah i'd take that too

to start with the fucking S/D

without wasting dmg

[balmy condor]

with the what

[strange python]

Slice and dice

[oak sky]

no he meant for fok

[balmy condor]

yea

aren't we talking about fok/katar

[oak sky]

2 cp when you spawn in sounds dumb as fuck

no offense

[strange python]

everything that buffs sin sounds great to me

[oak sky]

i mean its literally not a buff

it saves 1 global

[visual prairie]

5 cp baseline. Slice and dice removed and its effects just permanently applied

[strange python]

any buff is a buff

[visual prairie]

20 meter aura that does 8k dps to anything inside it

[gusty mirage]

Sign me up

I can afk and do similar damage? I’m a fan

[tight ginkgo]

Have you considered sub in m+

[gusty mirage]

[echo geyser]

aoe blood set? yes plz

[arctic hare]

is it just me, or does the mage tower for everyone seem way overtuned?

[slow marsh]

night fae bis?

na but for real these changes to NF prove yet again that nobody on the dev team plays rogue

[brazen zodiac]

i will continue to dream

[slow marsh]

like 50% boostie to sepsis conduit? wtf is this gonna do

[brazen zodiac]

maybe the 50th buff will be the trick

[balmy condor]

that one is actually pretty good

sepsis conduit after buff is solid

[slow marsh]

yeah i'm sure it is too bad everything else still sucks

[drifting cloud]

sub to my patreon for 9.1.5 nf bis covenant tips

[fallen arch]

Based on?

[arctic hare]

Tried the assassination rogue one and the boss had 400k, with the other 2 having 200k, and I was stuck at 6k

[fallen arch]

On ptr?

[arctic hare]

ye

Hopefully the downtune it at least a bit lol

[fallen arch]

It seems to be on the hard side for most specs/classes

They will probably tune it within weeks

To make the difficulty a meme

[south hollow]

KT mythic is such a clausterfuck

[fallen arch]

Just wait until you go Sylv

[south hollow]

i can't wait to prog for a month or more on sylvanas

[gusty mirage]

sylv def a lot more enjoyable though tbh

KT is just so fucking boring

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor dude fae with the shiv MA tech could be giga

[dawn ivy]

kt makes you realise nothing you do matters half the time and it just drains your mental

[alpine latch]

Has anyone here solo'd Twisting Corridors as Sin?

Any tips?

[dawn ivy]

get the generator increased by 150%

[alpine latch]

I was told "it's literally impossible"

[dawn ivy]

stack that 5 times

[alpine latch]

So ... It's going to happen

[dawn ivy]

also you DO need to get some defensive powers

the flat hp powers are good to get

the mawrat hp power is really good

[alpine latch]

yeah

Since this guy said it's not possible

[neon cloak]

took us 2 weeks i think

[alpine latch]

It's going to happen

[neon cloak]

we spent more time on phase 1

T_T

last phase took us several tries

[strange python]

P3 is very easy. Mostly scripted and plannable

[uneven hamlet]

p1 is kinda scripted too

the only thing is swirlies

the rest is easy af

[uneven hamlet]

we are currently on 150 tries p1, got to p2 twice w everyone alive, u know the feel

[timid cloud]

🤔

Every class can do it, I don't know why people think TC or Torghast was, or is hard for any Rogue spec.

The only way it'd be a bit hard is if my monitor & keyboard are unplugged.

[spice spire]

It’s doable. Just gotta get some good powers and with shards unsure if that’s even necessary here

[balmy condor]

Shards made it a lot easier yeah

[timid cloud]

I haven't carried in TC since CN, but if we could do it in less gear, then it's probably even easier now than before, especially with Shards.

I'll probably pop in it later just for funzies.

[cerulean nest]

which defensives/abilities are most useful for painsmith?

cloak fire and feint weapon throws?

[oak sky]

yup

thats it

[timid cloud]

Trap damage too IIRC

Sometimes you just gotta move outta the AMZ / barrier / SLT to dodge the spikes just a step while a trap goes off & you don't want to lose cheat or just die to it.

[latent locust]

guys for M+ necro whats the go to legendary?

[balmy condor]

Zold

[stray mural]

Are these good enough to try and get out my prison of a situation

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thrall/glitzgear

[dense hamlet]

what does that even mean

[violet jackal]

I think he means to move in to a better progression guild

and the answer probably no

[dense hamlet]

i mean

u never know

ppl look for players

and what not

u never find out if u dont try to apply to some guilds atleast

[stray mural]

I joined a prog guild who’s been stuck on remnant for 3 months

I’ve only been here for 3 weeks but discovered that last night

[dense hamlet]

i mean

idk

[hollow river]

Yes you can find another guild

How much better they will be idk, but you can easily find another guild with more prog

Some guilds don’t look at only parses they look at overall survivability, defensive usage, doing mechanics etc

I stay away from guilds that are all about the parse

[hollow river]

Idk why you’d think this

[dense hamlet]

i only join guilds that have average 10 parses

📈

[hollow river]

If the only thing they look at is your best parses, they are probably not a great guild. (Might be a hot take, I know).

[dense hamlet]

i mean ye most guilds dont know how to read logs they look what color the log is and decide

[hollow river]

Yeah that’s bad IMO

If the RL/officers can’t read logs I’m not trying to raid with them

[dense hamlet]

[hollow river]

[uneven hamlet]

you should be able to find a 5/10 guild

I mean, u really aren't stuck to any guild unless u wan't too

[glass tulip]

with 3/10 progression it may be tough to move into another guild unless you have prior mythic experience or do really well in a trial

but if the guild you're in is literally brick walled then you gotta gtfo

[bleak sky]

I'm sure there are plenty of 5/10M guilds recruiting on the recruitment discord

they might all be hardstuck on painsmith and in need of new players, but they're recruiting

might be good enough to give you the boost you need

[dark token]

sure there is some nuance but if someone has all orange logs and dont die thats better than 90% of raiders in most guilds no matter how greedy they play and most officers would welcome a player like that

ofc there is more stuff to analyze like defensive usage, first kill logs, etc but it doesnt matter that much until top 100 world or w/e

[alpine latch]

Man, I'm trying to figure out how we RIP'd this key last night. I thought for sure maybe I fucked up and CT'd through a wall or something... But I'm stuck.

We somehow pulled the Frenzied Ghouls in SD twice, and both times they came through the wall. The door was still closed.

We even tested it after the kill - FoK and CT didn't hit through the wall ever

[subtle tundra]

nobody logs?

its good practice to have automated logs enabled

[alpine latch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qbnFZ8k7pd2cfVtX/#fight=1&start=1576000&end=1592174&view=events

I dropped it into wow-general too

The Starving Prisoner is the first thing to engage the Frenzied Ghoul

But how do 2 NPCs just decide to start fighting

Then aggro onto us?

[tawdry portal]

do you guys like Marielith or Bonesmith for M painsmith?

[ebon notch]

at least try and get 95+ heroic logs

[stray mural]

Sure, but how do I get higher than a 60 on Sylv

[ebon notch]

wdym

[dense hamlet]

just play good

[stray mural]

I’ve never gotten higher than a blue parse

[ebon notch]

why do you think that is

[stray mural]

I have no idea. I preform everything mechanic correctly

I don’t stand in things

[ebon notch]

yeah but

[dense hamlet]

mechanics arent holding u from parsing

[ebon notch]

do you think you can get 95+ parses

just by doing the mechanics correctly?

thats like the bare minimum

[echo geyser]

is there any reason to press fok on ST?

[oak sky]

no

[subtle tundra]

hidden blades bro how can you forget

[echo geyser]

what am i watching

i need answers

[oak sky]

i dont know

[dense hamlet]

[nimble tartan]

to apply poisons quicker bro

its mid max stuff so

[oak sky]

maybe when ur running away from a mechanic i guess

[nimble tartan]

may be too advanced

[echo geyser]

i mean it was multiple casts while 100% melee uptime

on ST

[oak sky]

uhhhhh

where

[dense hamlet]

[oak sky]

someones log?

[echo geyser]

stream

[oak sky]

no way

he actually

[dense hamlet]

WH ?

[oak sky]

i think we arent naming and shaming basically

[flint pond]

anyone got a guide or anything to help you figure out how to analyze logs?

[dense hamlet]

oh ok

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[dense hamlet]

oh

i didnt even read that

maybe Yt?

[flint pond]

nvm I just googled it

[ebon notch]

yes

there is

but only a singular case that i can think of

which is on painsmith

[oak sky]

no

its a specific situation

daps

[pure moth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[ebon notch]

when he jumps down he's immune to attacks

[solar stump]

gotta get them frost set stacks up 🙂

[ebon notch]

and you can fok to get a cp before he's attackable

[ebon notch]

also true but different

nvm sry ram not relevant to you

[echo geyser]

[amber briar]

Have any of you been on ptr and done the mage tower? How did it go as assassination?

[balmy condor]

really fucking hard

[amber briar]

Yeah I die pretty quickly. I did in legion, but I think passive healing seemed higher then

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean we had prydaz and valeera in legion

and then it was just a mechanic chekc

[amber briar]

I had the cloak 🤗

[timid cloud]

I did it with the feint pants & like KJ’s burning wish, I wish I had better leggos back then....

[versed mica]

Yeah for making sin be so reliant on borrowed power, I don't understand why it's all banned for the mage tower

Do we have to complete the challenge on all three specs for the xmog?

[balmy condor]

just on one

outlaw is giga free

[versed mica]

Sadge but better than being hard cucked

[balmy condor]

that sounds like a banger combo tho

[versed mica]

Outlaw mage tower was so hard back in the day bc of low damage and RNG issues, only got it done because of that stupid "exploit" with the azuna mage tower zone buff thing

I wonder if it'll still work lmao

[timid cloud]

I had poo poo garbage for damage back then.

I needed the booties to carry my damage.

🥺

[cerulean nest]

having an annoying issue where whenever I vanish my target changes

anyone experience this? im 99% positive its not me fat fingering tab

[versed mica]

Do you click vanish or use a key to use it?

[cerulean nest]

I use a key

its been happening for a really long time

not every time

[quasi scroll]

what am I doing wrong here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LYmxVqXG9n8a7rvA/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[strange python]

is ilvl better than secondary stats?

[oak sky]

depends

best to sim

[strange python]

239 weathered talisman neck or 252 periapt of pristine

ok

[oak sky]

for neck and rings stats will usually win unless its a huge difference

[oak sky]

its kt, so if you want to parse well you pretty much have to run CT and aoe pad

but

your bleed uptimes could be higher

closer to upper 90s

seems like you got unlucky with winds crits

in an 8 minute fight you should be getting about 4 more casts of shiv than you did

make sure you use it on cooldown unless vendetta is about to come up

your kill time is really long though most people have it a lot shorter and that also gives you a better parse

[quasi scroll]

thanks

it was barely a kill

we are noobs

I think I was 3rd to last alive or something

[oak sky]

dont even sweat it

always stuff to work on

just keep going for your goals

[quasi scroll]

I was trying to tunnel KT & Phylac this time just to see how high I could get but I guess no aoe = no pad

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LYmxVqXG9n8a7rvA/#fight=last&type=damage-done&target=102

that's something, I guess

maybe I will try CT next time

[oak sky]

you can still get a decent parse going into phylactery

just try to focus on hitting a lot of stuff

[quasi scroll]

I have 1 foreboding, 1 desolate, 1 portentous Frost shard

[oak sky]

oh thats a thing too

try to upgrade them evenly

that increases the set bonus

[quasi scroll]

how big of a diff does that make? I've been split tanking/rogue

think I can at least bump one up now

[oak sky]

do your lowest one

[static rock]

Do we fan of knives balls on painsmith or mutilate the 1 ball we are killing

[hollow river]

i always used fok

[arctic hare]

So I'm trying to use droptimizer

[hollow river]

doesn't really matter though

[arctic hare]

and its forcing me to use edge of night in my MH, not OH

[hollow river]

i used fok because im running dashing frost i figured it would be better

[hollow river]

use top gear or gear compare

[arctic hare]

Hmm, okay

No no, I don't have the weapon yet, can I still sim it?

[hollow river]

with gear compare yes

[arctic hare]

Ahhh, it worked, cool

thanks

[hollow river]

or by getting the code for the item

then you can top gear it

[arctic hare]

its saying

that a 236 dagger is worse than a 246 EON

[hollow river]

it is

[arctic hare]

Sorry, the other way around

[hollow river]

highest ilvl is better in MH usually

[arctic hare]

it was saying that a 246 EON was worse than a 236 dagger LOL

I have a 252 mh

[hollow river]

oh weird

idk

[arctic hare]

Even weirder

its only a 111 dps increase

Hmm

[pallid bough]

@vestal wren @balmy condor @gray fjord I did it

[gray fjord]

The assassination one? xD Jeeze you mad lad

[pallid bough]

didnt even optimize completely

was super hard tho

try before this I couldnt make the DPS check

so I had to dps all 3

the one where I didnt make the DPS check, I had Sigryn cc'd entire time

[gray fjord]

They share a health pool iirc, I only gave it like 3 tries so I need to give it another go before it is off the PTR again

[pallid bough]

yeah

triple garrote with subterfuge, CT and triple rupture

massive

in retail back in Legion, I just cc'd one entire time and made the check

[gray fjord]

Yeah I didn't really mess with talents much, I really should've gone with subterfuge. I was using CT but then I tried the CC Sigryn strat and didn't have as much luck with it.

[pallid bough]

harder now

way harder

[hollow river]

yeah that's weird even a 246 m+ dagger doesn't beat my 246 EoN OH

[arctic hare]

Lol

[pallid bough]

yeah subterfuge was def the play

MA is pointless

so is NS

[hollow river]

246 m+ daggers are a loss for me

simming 252s now

they're probably better

or a side-grade

[gray fjord]

Yeah I remember it being super easy back in Legion, but I also waited until I outgeared it. Outlaw is the only one I did like the day it came out and banged my head against it for forever. Agatha definitely seems way easier than it was, so the scaling is kinda wonky in my opinion.

[hollow river]

even 252s are a loss for me

[gray fjord]

Assassination also had way stronger defensives in Legion with the crimson vial that gave a stacking damage reduction, that was so nice back then

[solid chasm]

oddly specific question

who has a sim without heroic or mythic sylv daggers

but with all the other goodies

with ST talents

[pallid bough]

Yeah I remember the CV passive

[oak sky]

@solid chasm you could make one with gear compare

[solar stump]

have a few, whats up?

[solid chasm]

@balmy condor is guide fricked

shows me full conduit shit for theo

but not nadjia

[pallid bough]

@gray fjord mog is clean af tho

[gray fjord]

Oh yeah the gray/white color set is pretty awesome imo, it's the only version of that set I'd consider wearing.

[pallid bough]

I really wish I played back in Legion more

because I would have gotten the elite set of it

the black and red tint

[violet jackal]

Conduits:
Single Target: Lashing Scars > Sudden Fractures >= Well-Placed Steel > Lethal Poisons > Maim, Mangle

Mythic Plus: Lashing Scars >= Sudden Fractures > Poisoned Katar >= Lethal Poisons = Well-Placed Steel

[balmy condor]

[solid chasm]

idk if its just me then

i always have issues with the conduit thingy

[balmy condor]

I can add a nadjia

I think I might've yoinked it out

on accident

[arctic hare]

Are you able to lose IO?

[balmy condor]

no

[arctic hare]

PHEW, thank god

[solid chasm]

oh how funny that would be

@sudden brook would be stuck in another elo hell

[arctic hare]

That would be TERRIBLE

[timid cloud]

We’d lose half the m+ community.

I already got banned for being toxic.

[arctic hare]

Heh, nice

[timid cloud]

I don’t want to have to make a 3rd Rogue.

[solid chasm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p8GLr8J9z7ikEGnLYnxF8j

holy fuck

that seems so wrong

[oak sky]

no 252 mh

[solid chasm]

thats almost 1k less than my sub set

with r5 blood

i didnt think itd be THAT low

i know im lackin on haste but holy fuck

[fallen arch]

What’s wrong?

Is it that shocking that sub sims better?

[gusty mirage]

Just deeny being deeny, I wouldn’t pay much attention to it

[glass tulip]

balanced ability

love when the parse is dependent on that 1 ability's crit

[gusty mirage]

Wdym it’s balanced

[soft shale]

blizz knows its playerbase crit rng into crit rng

[glass tulip]

this was the hits from that one lol

all crits

we are in painsmith reclear prison

[oak sky]

imagine we go into next patch and the tier set is another rng fest

[solid chasm]

??????

[oak sky]

it says you need haste gems

thats so weird

that was a hella delayed reaction

why did i even say that now

[solid chasm]

well ofc i need haste gems

i have like 6% haste

[oak sky]

[solid chasm]

not fair to sim sub gear as sin

but still

i guess im just down bad on both specs xd

[oak sky]

idk

not having a decent main hand is really cringe for sin

233 edge doesnt do it

[glass tulip]

run a key with me

all i pull are weapons

probably pulled 10+ daggers this past month

[solid chasm]

i have the daggers to upgrade

but i just havent bc ive been playing sub

didnt wanna waste the valor

[glass tulip]

I blow valor early on anything I need

because now im 252 ilvl sitting on 4k valor

like what do i do with it now lol

so use it while you can\

[viscid schooner]

Im hate you mavverick because all i do are keys for weps but never drops

Only thing i get is valor and anima

[subtle tundra]

just drop it?

its easy as that

[slow marsh]

Don't say things like that

[oak sky]

[glass tulip]

I got 2 tanglewood thorns on week 1 of the tier and a domina's in week 1 vault :)

just gotta run with me

[slow marsh]

I got oozer dagger week 2 or 3 but haven't seen a sylv dagger ever so really what good was it

[glass tulip]

I have 1 normal version I got from vault

no heroic yet on like 8 kills now?

although I do have a 252 and a mythic remnant dagger so I'd have to see if it really would be an upgrade

I imagine it is but idk

[slow marsh]

I just randomly looks at logs and saw that I am actually the best sin rogue for heroic parses right now

[oak sky]

ez

[slow marsh]

Rank 69 let's goo ok nobody is allowed to be higher now

Cuz we all know 69 is actually > 1

[viscid schooner]

Omfg!

Im not a pro but look.. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/frydshrimp

[glass tulip]

I mean hey bro, coming in this chat is how you find the sweatiest nerds in the game

you got some good stuff goin in there, Phial is the best trinket for rogues

[oak sky]

hes right everyone here is a 27 key pusher and world first quality raider

[glass tulip]

well

[oak sky]

im just trollin

theres tons of great players here

and a lot of people just doing their goals

[glass tulip]

im more like 22 key pusher and world 200 quality

[oak sky]

arent you not CE yet

[viscid schooner]

My gear isnt to bad then?

[glass tulip]

[oak sky]

not being a dick

but like

[viscid schooner]

Haha yeah and i just started to do myths for like 1.5 week now i think

[oak sky]

you arent world 200 quality until u get there

and im not either

[glass tulip]

pretty true

[oak sky]

keep up the grind bro ur doing great

[glass tulip]

my guild is still in its first tier together and bringing in new people every week

we had 5 new people on painsmith reclear tonight

but we are at 8/10

[oak sky]

thats great though

[glass tulip]

yeah its really promising

[viscid schooner]

Thanks!

[glass tulip]

next tier we will have a fighting chance at a good rank

[oak sky]

im glad u guys are on an upwards trend

I really hope you do hit WR 200

next tier

[glass tulip]

we have HoF leadership

they used to be big boys

[oak sky]

thats a great start

did you guys start late or just trying to fill out the roster mostly?

[glass tulip]

started late and are still filling the roster

[oak sky]

gotcha

[glass tulip]

have about 15 core

[oak sky]

not bad at all

[glass tulip]

~10 people who are slightly lower level and are rotated in and out but yeah im excited. the team is strong overall

our plan is to reclear 2 more weeks then extend to CE

average ilvl is like 249 lol

[oak sky]

ours is 249

we should be CE on monday

almost got it last night

[glass tulip]

thats huge

anyone on your team stream? id love to see it

[oak sky]

not sure actually

people do every once in awhile I think

one of our hunters has a clip of a 47% wipe where someone stood in with death knives right at the end

[glass tulip]

OOF

from what I've seen the prevailing strat is to lust at the very end right?

[oak sky]

you lust right after veil on the 4th platform

[glass tulip]

so that the buff is basically expiring at the enrage?

[oak sky]

pretty much yeah

[glass tulip]

your transmog is also significantly better than mine and most people I see

highkey really nice

[oak sky]

once you get past veil all the mechanics dont make you move off the boss basically mavverick

[viscid schooner]

Hahaha i just hate how to newer gear looks like

I dont have my legendary equiped there since its still ilvl 190

[solemn plaza]

use the snipping tool -_-

[solid venture]

[kind talon]

Boomer

[vestal wren]

gz

[solar stump]

You'll get there, you'd be surprised how quick you can jump up 🙂

[oak sky]

oh yeah i was just saying we probably shouldn't be saying shit

at least not until we get there

wait i know u

ur @ebon notch 's boosting buddy

[solar stump]

tbf there's plenty of theorycrafters that technically know how to tell us to play better that don't have to be insane mechanical players

[solar stump]

this concerns me 😂

[oak sky]

i didnt really mean it like that i meant like he probably shouldnt say hes world 200 or something until he gets there

im sure hes a great player

nah but me and daps/fotm and @kind talon double disc raids all the time

[solar stump]

ah I see yeah that's fair then, but generally speaking you also can tell if you're better than where you are, or if you just fit nicely 😛

[solar stump]

Ah so you'll only have heard the bad things then 😂 😂 😂

[oak sky]

haha

[kind talon]

@solar stump

He appears

[solar stump]

ngl, wasn't aware of the discord

Fotm said I should be useful

smile

[kind talon]

Hi

Welcome

@solar stump please explain how to correctly run sylvanas arrows

Smile

[oak sky]

[solar stump]

if you believe the rumours then apparently I don't know what the arrows are 🙂

[kind talon]

https://tenor.com/view/modcheck-gif-19633400

[oak sky]

Walk me through it

[kind talon]

Sylvanas has arrows?

I thought she was a rogue…..

[solar stump]

I'm afraid I simply am unaware

[kind talon]

Bro

It’s so funny

[solar stump]

When I lead I just naturally assume someone else gets the arrows and deals with it for me 🙃

[kind talon]

Cause daps was in call with us perma like

“I’m so nervous about my trial”

“I don’t know what I’m going to do”

“This other rogue got kicked and I’m afraid I’ll end up like him”

[solar stump]

kekW

[solar stump]

Does this include ending up in a better guild where you've had no issues? 😮

[oak sky]

Lmao

[kind talon]

Hehehehe

[oak sky]

When he was first saying that I dont think you had ended up there yet

[kind talon]

Walkthrough

Insane player

[solar stump]

he didnt know me before I was in Walkthrough

[oak sky]

O

[kind talon]

Yeah

[oak sky]

I think he was just worried about the trial

[kind talon]

He didn’t know you yet

At that point

[oak sky]

[kind talon]

Everything came full circle tho and now you’re here

:)

[oak sky]

:)

[solar stump]

He wasn't in Bloom when I first spoke to him in a boost

[oak sky]

Yeah

[kind talon]

Yeah

[oak sky]

I remember he was with hacha

[kind talon]

He was worried about trialing with them and telling us about the rumors

Before he got offered a spot yeah

Then he met you and we talked some more

You’re a good bloke though sir

Some of the best content we’ve had was that boost with the tank that kept talking about his dps

Holy moly

[solar stump]

wait

do I know you before this? o.O

[kind talon]

No

I just know you vicariously through daps

I’m NA

[kind talon]

Agreon daps and me

Had a laugh about that guy, and u were in that boost

👍

[solar stump]

I see I see

I remember this sucidal raid you're referring to

[kind talon]

Weren’t the tanks like flirting with each other

Agreon and I couldn’t hear comms sadly

But apparently the dh tank was talking about how sick he was for using dps trinkets

[solar stump]

and understatement but yes, they sat together for an hour after raid streaming target dummies

[kind talon]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

No shot

[solar stump]

I imagine using spirit bomb and dps trinkets and nearly dying every boss is quite good for your dps 🙃

[cinder willow]

hello, any1 explain me why should i use mutilate while vanished and not ambush?

i am MA

[hollow river]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[hollow river]

This^

[cinder willow]

So, i have to stop using ambush from vanish and start with mutilate right. BUTT i am newer 60, is this still valid?

[hollow river]

Correct. It’s good to start making mutilate a habit now

The earlier on you develop good habits with your rotation the better

But yes still valid

[cinder willow]

thank you so much!!

[solar stump]

Also you should vanish when you have 5 combo points so you can envenom, so you wont be using Ambush regardless

[normal mist]

Isn't it better to vanish Mut - env - Mut for more cps overall?

[inland hull]

I would think vanishing at max-1 CP and starting with envenom gives highest likelihood of fitting 2 envenoms into the MA window

[halcyon zealot]

i mean this is a convo that’s been exhausted literally months ago

[sinful cradle]

But you should always fit 2 envenoms in since mfd became the play for venthyr atleast

[halcyon zealot]

it’s marginal, but it is better to vanish at low cp

[sinful cradle]

Doesnt really matter now since you always go shiv into vanish

Then either mut envenom mfd envenom

Or envenom mfd envenom mut

[ebon notch]

@sinful cradle

i know you

[sinful cradle]

Dont mind me, just appearing once in a while from my cave

[normal mist]

I don't play MFD honestly, so I shiv usually at low CP/0 CP, vanish and Mut env Mut. It doesn't matter tho

[rotund drift]

rank 3 on raider io on my server now, working my way to #1 _

[odd heath]

Rank 70 raider io on my server, working my way to #71

[rotund drift]

get that bread, boss

[hollow river]

Debatable

[prisma cypress]

i was told it's better to vanish before mutilate

[hollow river]

Doesn’t really matter when you vanish. You can vanish -> mut -> envenom -> mut is actually the “most optimal” choice

It doesn’t really matter

Env - mut - env is fine too

[solar stump]

Just what works for for me idk I still get the same mut + 2 envenoms in my MA window

[hollow river]

But that’s not the hrs set way you should utilize it

[hollow river]

If you mut-env-mut you get 2 muts 1 env

You build more cp that way so it’s technically the more optimal choice

I tend to vanish env mut env too

Just how I do my opener

[solar stump]

I'd normally vanish env mfd env mut

[hollow river]

Same

Was simply putting the facts of the matter out there

[solar stump]

reee

[hollow river]

[visual prairie]

what i like to do is vanish mut -> have tank turn boss unexpectedly -> envenom parry -> waste MFD -> curse loudly -> envenom

am i doing it right?

[hollow river]

Sylvanas parries

Are going to be the cause of my downfall

[gusty mirage]

checks notes sounds about right

[solid chasm]

this was making me tilt like crazy last night

STOP PARRYING ME FFS

[gusty mirage]

Wait until you get the super rare triple parry in a row of your rupture

[drifting cloud]

2cp 2nd muti in opener is the goat

[bleak sky]

Flag parry also feels nice

[uneven wraith]

is it worth using the deathly prepull trick as assa?

[bleak sky]

Only works for sub

[uneven wraith]

ah

[gloomy knoll]

ever had flag parried with obedience

legit just walk off the edge, oh shit i died

[lusty surge]

i had my shiv parried the other day

shit definitely shouldnt go on cd

when it gets parried >.>

also hows CT looking on ptr? does the dot get diminishing returns or is it full damage

[gloomy knoll]

dots don't get diminishing returns

so is just a straight out buff

[lusty surge]

sweet

is it time...for exsang

nightstalker snapshots right?

[balmy condor]

Nightstalker does Snapshot the whole dot yes

[cerulean nest]

any new bubbling ideas from the patch notes yesterday @balmy condor ? or basically what we've been expecting

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s nothing we haven’t seen

[kind talon]

Outlaw is still capped

:)

[balmy condor]

Literally everything on those patch notes regarding rogue stuff has been known since early September

So it’s pretty

[lusty surge]

oh wait i just realized exsang is a ST spell

fuck

[cerulean nest]

lame

NF buff was kinda pog for a sec before I read the pin lol

[balmy condor]

It’s okay on sub

Best lego single target for fae sub

Still doesn’t come close to venthyr or kyrian

And it’s dogshit in m+

So….. it’s still dogshit

But ya know

It’s nice

[gusty mirage]

Good

Just for the sheer fact that we can watch all the pirates mald

[timid cloud]

But Dreadblades buff.

[thick briar]

is this highest ilvl on lashing scars? Havent seen any upgrades above 226

[gusty mirage]

No 252 is

[thick briar]

where does it drop 👀

[gusty mirage]

It doesn’t. You upgrade it with the shards you get from adamant vaults/buy with research

[thick briar]

ahh shit

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers it’s kinda lame but it is what it is

[fervent rune]

^

[quaint carbon]

tarragyue powers : +15% stat or +30% dmg if 2 people are close

[visual prairie]

hug your neighbors

also ask them to take the one that buffs ppl near them

[balmy condor]

That’s not how I remember the commandment

[visual prairie]

this is new testament after dark

[balmy condor]

I see makes sense

[thin imp]

Could someone help me out here?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rWNZd8K69bGqBfA1#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=13

[hollow river]

Toxi

[arctic hare]

Thanks for reminding me, I need to do torghast this week

[gusty mirage]

everything looks fine, use agility potions instead of phantom fire

PF is too inconsistent

you got 2 of the bombs on guardian

your rotation seems fine

bleed uptime is fine, only 2 wasted CP on shiv which is also fine

I'd probably arcane torrent a little more to get more value out of it

but besides that it looks good

[thin imp]

Yea I think I am consistent enough (dont usually pool but I dont think the struggle is worth much dps) but got a bit cold when saw the parse tho

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's mainly the phantom fire & getting mechanics

[thin imp]

Thought PF was better for ST and agi for multi

[gusty mirage]

they changed PF going into 9.1

people used to use PF in 9.0 because if you got good RNG it'd do big damage

agility potions will almost always be the play for sin

[plain onyx]

jesus man, didnt know about this, where exactly do i upgrade it ?

[thin imp]

Okay, thanks Oxi! Let's see when I reclean if I get better luck with procs 🙂

[gusty mirage]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=187148/death-bound-shard you need these bad boys

[wary pawn]

so 2x stone is better with agi potions for ST atm?

[gusty mirage]

you can buy em with research at tier 6 and you get 1 per week from adamant vaults

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

that's been the case for sin for a while, prior to 9.1 it was close where the rng procs of PF could lead to huge parses (esp if you used the theotar potion cheese)

but stones + agi was always more consistent

[undone eagle]

Regarding hidden artifact weapon skin bonebreaker, they say you can get it dropped by mobs in dalaran but i dont see any mobs in the tunnel, is it unobtainable now? :l

[bleak sun]

Its still obtainable you have to wait guard rotation

[undone eagle]

nvm i just got it 😂

I guess its higher drop chance now , i just resetted guards and it spawned a lot

[shrewd helm]

I wish undead racials were better so I could justify going undead

[golden basalt]

its essentially purely cosmetic

you can justify it

[kind talon]

"looks cool"

[pastel shale]

All about Rocket Jump

[shrewd helm]

Yeah but losing that 1% crit man

[golden basalt]

goblins has best stealth walk in the game so obviously im gonna play goblin, way more value than 1% crit

[shrewd helm]

Goblins are ugly

[autumn frost]

Dark elves all the way

[vestal wren]

correct, thats why we play mechagnomes

[shrewd helm]

Alliance are just as ugly though 😂

@vestal wren

[fallen arch]

What are dark elves

[vestal wren]

i thought everyone plays

[timid cloud]

No one is playing Alliance in 2021.

[fallen arch]

I am

Its kinda ded on this side tho

[hexed frost]

I migrated from Alliance to Horde in 2019 but had kept alts in old guild and also playing with them in new world.

I went back to some old alts for timewalking and saw only 7 groups listed for M+ at Saturday 9 PM

Sad

It was not this bad before

[fallen arch]

Nope

Its getting worse every week

[bleak sky]

they gotta pull the ripcord

crossfaction when

[fallen arch]

To be fair, it’s not ppl going horde. It’s ppl leaving to play other games

[golden basalt]

im eagerly waiting for more info regarding Riots MMo

[hexed frost]

Yes from one cancer to another

Can't wait

[golden basalt]

exactly

[hexed frost]

Give me a warhammer MMO.

Not the one which was shutdown, new one

[fallen arch]

Fuck that, give us a good WoW expansion

[alpine latch]

Yeah man, I'm Alliance again now, and it's fucking awful. I log in and search for +15s and there's like 3 keys up.

With the minority share of the playerbase, it impacts us far larger

[fallen arch]

Yes

We’re of a dying breed

[timid cloud]

It's people going Horde.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/642192797595598848/899448085757972560/unknown.png

Alliance btw

[oak sky]

I went horde after last tier

Just not worth staying

Nobody plays content on alliance

[timid cloud]

Too many casuals, & gamer-dads.

[oak sky]

Yep

[fallen arch]

I’m a gamer dad

What’s wrong with that

[oak sky]

Nothing

[fallen arch]

Fake, where’s the 1004839 advertisers

[oak sky]

If they give us cross faction group content I would make a decent amount of alliance characters for sure

[fallen arch]

Every rogue playing m+ would be night elf

[oak sky]

I can tell you my monk would be dark iron

[inland hull]

I'm same with Horde. My guildies are Alliance but I wanna be Zandalari

[oak sky]

Its just outdated

Lore and leveling being faction based is fine for the game

But people just want to play how they want with their friends

[fallen arch]

Ye, someone should tell Blizzard that

[oak sky]

Also uncap outlaw

[fallen arch]

Oh wait, we have been for years

[oak sky]

Yeah

[fallen arch]

No fuck those stupid pirates

Let them be bad for a bit

[oak sky]

Currently no plans

[uneven hamlet]

faction cross play already happens in rbgs, you play horde x horde but the system turns u into allies for the game, theres 0 reason to it won't let u play cross faction in other contents

[oak sky]

Come on ion

[inland hull]

Un-pirate outlaw

[oak sky]

At least some of the devs clearly play the game

[fallen arch]

The devs even are fucking boosting

[oak sky]

Yeah

Nothing wrong with that imo

[fallen arch]

Everything wrong with that imo

[oak sky]

If boosting exists players do it

If devs are players

Transitive property

[fallen arch]

The way they design the economy u need to boost in order to play competitively

[oak sky]

Not true

[uneven hamlet]

rmt is worng, boosting is good

[oak sky]

Wow tokens

Im not saying boosting is good

But it exists

[fallen arch]

The wow token is the worst that has happened to the game

[oak sky]

You can hate on design but I would never hate on a dev for playing their game just how everyone else does

[fallen arch]

Boosting is fine, but the token accelerated that shit so hard

[inland hull]

True

[pure moth]

What addon/wa shows io and class colors in group?

[fallen arch]

Remove token, punish advertisement severely

Problemsorta solved

Design economy so that boosting isn’t gold making no 1

[oak sky]

Advertisement should be gone

Agree

[inland hull]

Ads in LFG gotta go

[fleet whale]

blizz will never remove the token

[oak sky]

So annoying

[fleet whale]

that would literally lose money for them

[oak sky]

But yeah token is staying like it or not

[fallen arch]

Ppl being fed up with their games loses them more

Theyre fucking digging their own grave

[fleet whale]

The token isn't even close to one of the main problems with wow

[fallen arch]

Man I’m salty tonight, sorry about that

[fallen arch]

It is

Boosting is fucking cancer for the game from my perspective

[uneven hamlet]

D:

[fallen arch]

Everything is achievable nowadays for real money

[fleet whale]

The token alone isn't what caused the boosting pandemic

[uneven hamlet]

It really ain't, boosting is in the game since the start of it

wow token is the cancer? maybe

[fleet whale]

it was caused by blizz doing absolutely nothing about dead realms

[fallen arch]

Not in the current fashion

[fleet whale]

and faction imbalance