but the difference will be not so big
#assassination
kind talon
hollow escarp
4 guardian kills, only one fusion amp dropped 
kind talon
just sim patchwerk 2 target and compare the trinkets @keen mantle
hollow escarp
for the entire raid
hollow escarp
oof
kind talon
yuh yuh
hollow escarp
also, ocular gland has a debuff if you are below 50%
it's not that big of a deal
but it's something that you don't worry about on other trinkets
kind talon
ye
normal mist
Hmmm my vault was kinda nice. But I must SIM when I get home.
246 legs from KT (I have crit haste ones 226 from painsmith)
246 trinket from KT (no idea if it is better than garrosh trinket 239)
252 crit mast dagger (I own two 239 pvp ones)
gusty mirage
Nah that’s wake
spice spire
Yeah that’s wake
gusty mirage
If you have a chance of pushing rating to upgrade your weapons I’d take pants
If you think it’ll be hard just take the dagger
gusty mirage
Mainland dagger will always be the biggest dps upgrade for melee
Same dude, I’ve gotten close but then just got frustrated of queuing for hours and gaining or losing like 10 rating by the end of it lol
gusty mirage
Running into r1 alts is fun too
normal mist
Yes. No.
gusty mirage
normal mist
I might just be lucky enough to get good M15 pants and be done with it
gusty mirage
Ye worst case you can always nab the 252 boe pants
They’re crit/mastery
But heavy on crit so they’re not terrible
normal mist
Or i could ask my Boomie who got 239 ones yesterday during our run ...
Sounds like a plan
Not heavy on gold rn, I might just be using it to kill sylvanas HC
strange python
Finally got fusion amp! Had to buy it off our buyer. Fml
normal mist
Good job!
fallen arch
Finally got fusion amp! Had to buy it off our buyer. Fml
So you paid the run for your buyer, good guy 
normal mist
How expensive is it to get a sylv run HC + items?
Gold ofc
(for those who do the runs 😂 )
hollow escarp
doubt you'll find any sylvanas with traders alone unless you get a full run
normal mist
Yeah nevermind then. I need like 3/4 ilvl to be accepted in most (95%+) groups in pugs
Kinda sad to be rejected all day :(
fallen arch
10/10 without traders is 400k on EU alliance
fallen arch
Yeah nevermind then. I need like 3/4 ilvl to be accepted in most (95%+) groups i...
They dont care about ilvl, they care about curve more usually
normal mist
Im at 238 ilvl rn, got curve last week. Let's hope then that I get accepted this week xD
fallen arch
But don’t expect wonders from a boost to get accepted later on, pug leaders usually do a quick log check if u only have 1 sylv kill
normal mist
Well fuck
fallen arch
Just play the game, improve and it will be fine
normal mist
It's not 100% about me.
I'm proging with my guild, we at fate now, I got a boost last week so I can start having a chance on sylv loot by the end of the week
grim hornet
i would go with the dagger. 252 mainhand boosts our dmg by quite a lot compared to any other piece. 246 pants you can get something similar from m+ plus valor so...
alpine latch
did you guys see the Mage Tower shit?
Conduits, Covenant powers, Legendaries, and Frost Shards won't work
Isn't it only rogues and like 1 other spec that even uses Frost?
normal mist
Isn't it only rogues and like 1 other spec that even uses Frost?
DHS too I believe
alpine latch
Yeah, I think it's only like 1 or 2 specs
Seemed odd that they are blocked Frost shards and not all shards
normal mist
i would go with the dagger. 252 mainhand boosts our dmg by quite a lot compared ...
Yeah that's exactly what I said above :p will SIM when I get home anyway
fallen arch
Time to upgrade unholy/blood too then I guess
grim hornet
my enh shammy went yesterday to sylv with frost shards
dunno if new build, trolling or just trying something, but there it is
and ye, dhs also use frost shards
fallen arch
Playing enha is trolling by default
grim hornet
Never
alpine latch
Hey, I for one welcome my Windfury friends.
grim hornet
#TakeAChanceOnEnhance
alpine latch
With only r4 frost and Windfury, I beat my Alliance guild on Soulrender by 2400DPS last night.
And that's with playing like shit
spice spire
Based
alpine latch
The guild lost all of the best players
They didn't have enough for Mythic
So all of the top people decided to take a break instead of reclearing heroic every week
Tanks are alts, one of the healers are an alt, some of the DPS are alts
grim hornet
Question for ppl who know Sylv combat. Do we prefer any side on p2 split 1? and on split 2?
gusty mirage
I get tossed where the big add is
drifting cloud
split1 doesnt matter, split2 right is better for "parsing" but you can just as easily go left just depends how you have cds assigned
gusty mirage
@drifting cloud can you make sylv not jump off the platform in p1 please? It ruined 4 of our pulls last night
gusty mirage
Someone clipped it like the 3rd time it happened let me see if I can find it lol
Final arrows before intermission she’d just disappear
And then nothing would happen for 30s then all the arrows would hit at once
hollow river
Question for ppl who know Sylv combat. Do we prefer any side on p2 split 1? and ...
I go left/left
grim hornet
i think im left / right but still have to get to p2 consistently
hollow river
She also disappeared on my raid 4 times last night
grim hornet
but ye, i see myself doing better in pure st than the other spots
hollow river
Actually so tilting
gusty mirage
i think im left / right but still have to get to p2 consistently
You’ll get there. Last night we started getting into p2 pretty far
Hoping we may get to see some of p3 tonight
hollow river
Same^
gusty mirage
<a:Thinkge:857927331967926272>
Small indie company
spice spire
Literal multi dollar company
gusty mirage
Why can’t bugs like that just make her die?
spice spire
True actually
drifting cloud
just overkill p2 platforms oxi, boss dmg is almost whatever
like half of our reclear wipes are because were playing p2 too safe
gusty mirage
Yeah I’ve been sending CDs on colossus because it takes forever to die
drifting cloud
oh that sounds bad tho
hollow river
Why can’t bugs like that just make her die?
drifting cloud
you have a boomie cding it?
gusty mirage
No boomie on colossus 
drifting cloud
ours literally does 50% to it, then we just have 4-5 people that do 200k
but you have a boomie or?
gusty mirage
We have 2
drifting cloud
ok your guild dum
hollow river
gusty mirage
Factual
gusty mirage
Oh wait we have the fae boomie on colossus
grim hornet
kekw
drifting cloud
like boomies got nothing better to cd in p2 anyways, its either colossus or 2nd burn
you can also do 2nd right but its probably overkill
gusty mirage
2nd split in p2
gusty mirage
The class colors
grim hornet
you have 4 rogues?
hollow river
2 shades of purple?
drifting cloud
left is actually so free sending 9 there
hollow river
Is that pink?
drifting cloud
my head hurts
gusty mirage
2 shades of purple?
DH and warlock?
hollow river
Hmm
hollow escarp
spice spire
you have 4 rogues?
3 of those are orange king
gusty mirage
Y’all colorblind af lmao
gusty mirage
That’s at worst gold
hollow river
Idk my GMs spreadsheet is the exact class colors
grim hornet
mygod, maybe im colorblind and just noticed
hollow river
Those are weirdge af
grim hornet
i mean, i see the diference but that's not orange to my eyes xD
hollow escarp
gusty mirage
It’s more gold than orange
grim hornet
thanks god
drifting cloud
im not colorblind but theyre still kinda wack
gusty mirage
Oh they’re for sure whack
drifting cloud
I have no clue which people are supposed to be tanks and healers
gusty mirage
It’s fine because our locks are mentally super off too
drifting cloud
pala and dh tank?
gusty mirage
Pala and bear
Invest is our guardian tank
We run 2 havoc
Super melee heavy comp
hollow escarp
havoc is good
hollow river
drifting cloud
2 havoc is whatever
gusty mirage
havoc is good
Rather have a 3rd boomie
hollow river
Or a 2nd rogue
hollow escarp
rather have no boomies
gusty mirage
I’m not allowed to have rogue friends this expac 
spice spire
Any momentum enjoyers?
hollow river
Or another hunter
gusty mirage
Closest I got was Whispyr when he wanted to dabble in mythic raiding and then my old guild decided to call it quits while we were trialing 3 people
hollow escarp
we started with 2 rogues. then 3, then the other 2 quit and now we got another one 
hollow river
hollow escarp
so I'm not alone
gusty mirage
Ye I got that feeling too lol
hollow river
My group has 2 rogues, but the other rogue is trying to go ww so we have monk buff
drifting cloud
its like nobody looked at literally any logs
gusty mirage
They eventually figure it out though so I’m not too worried
drifting cloud
left side theres no dmg you dont need 2 healers, I mean you can probably use them but its just making right harder
and not sure how the boomie didnt realize where hes supposed to go and speak up
gusty mirage
Venthyr boomies are braindead tho
hollow river
Yup
fallen arch
Venthyr boomies are braindead tho
^
gusty mirage
This is the 2nd tweak on p2 assignments
So I think as we actually see it more it’ll get tweaked again
We’re finally progging p2 after 100 wipes
drifting cloud
its more that you shouldnt have to see it, should be assigned before you ever get there tbh 😛
thats why you got 500 logs of other guilds
gusty mirage
I tend to not ask questions and just do as I’m told
drifting cloud
p1 is suepr long + intermission everything comes off cd
hollow river
Yes?
gusty mirage
Makes for a significantly less frustrating experience
drifting cloud
only difference is if you cd platforms or boss
hollow river
If you have people sending CDs for chains 3 or intermission chains
grim hornet
i was told to pop cd on cd until we figure out what dmg we need
grim hornet
ye i know
rn im popping 2 vendettas + flag on p1, then i get all back for first platform on p2
round temple
Can someone please have a look and tell me what i must improve? 😛 please jugde me gently. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TZKVvywA2hFmzBD6#fight=6&source=19&type=damage-done
grim hornet
dunno if i have to pop them there or on sylv
gusty mirage
Can someone please have a look and tell me what i must improve? 😛 please jugde ...
Just by glancing, don’t ambush
I’d look deeper but wcl for mobile is kaka
grim hornet
im guessing if i pop them on 1st platform i will have them back for the trashcan
dunno cause i didn't check logs because im slacker
gusty mirage
We only ambush when talented into blindside
hollow river
Well you should check logs
hollow escarp
We only ambush when talented into blindside
what about CTO procs? 
hollow escarp
new meta
gusty mirage
what about CTO procs? <a:Thinkge:810543489515126794>
drifting cloud
You should be popping on sylv or the 2nd add platform
as assa you shouildnt pop on trashcan guy
it makes you lose a vendetta on the boss
I dont mean because youve used it on the trashcan, you lose an extra one because of timings
spice spire
Can someone please have a look and tell me what i must improve? 😛 please jugde ...
Few small things.
A. Like oxi said, don’t ambush from stealth, mutilate is still just better.
B. You overcapped a little bit on mutilate and SBS, minimizing that helps, we should be at 0 for everything except possibly shiv and almost always seal fate,
B. You missed two CD casts, one vanish, and one vendetta.
C. Should have higher rupture uptime, anything sub 95 is worth mentioning (you were at 93 iirc)
Other than that, looks kosher for most part.
hollow river
as assa you shouildnt pop on trashcan guy
Yeah I know but I’ve seen groups that do make sin rogue send there
drifting cloud
because as assa if you do 2nd boss burn, then you just press on cd after veil and it lines up naturally with lust
you can do 1st platform instead of 1st boss burn tho
spice spire
Being Necrolord + Unholy set you’re at a disadvantage as is, but you did fairly well
drifting cloud
Yeah I know but I’ve seen groups that do make sin rogue send there
they really shouldnt, thats why venthyr boomie is so good there
because nobody else, or maybe something less than 2min is enough
gusty mirage
@drifting cloud I’ve been peeping through POVs and logs so my CD timing gets less scuffed
drifting cloud
if you have 0 venthyr boomies then yeah it becomes a whole new issue
gusty mirage
It’s helped a lot in p1
hollow escarp
about to start sylvanus tomorrow
gusty mirage
I know when to hold now instead of sending a vendetta into a veil like a scrub
drifting cloud
yeah until shes below 86% after that veil and youre just not using at all
I did that alot of prog, now I just send into that veil you still get like 80%? of it I just press it 1st global in opener
well atleast my guild once we stop clowning on other bosses should start doing p1 speedy strat so that issue goes away completely
gusty mirage
Doing heroic aotc sales after pronging mythic sylv is hilariously easy now
grim hornet
you can do 1st platform instead of 1st boss burn tho
so... 2 pops on p1, then pop on 1st platform / 1st burn, then cd on cd?
or something like that? i don't know if i understood it well
drifting cloud
pretty much yeah, if you use on 1st burn it will come back after veil on 2nd burn
so you try to have 5cp and just shadowstep back to her after veil and insta press everything
you will get like 80% of it in
but atleast youre not losing casts
grim hornet
then get it on p3 2nd plat and 4th i guess?
drifting cloud
you get it 3 times, p3 is long on mythic
drifting cloud
p3 is pretty easy
hollow escarp
you have plenty of time until 9.2
drifting cloud
its only tank and healer job mostly
dps just spreads for veil
for assa rogue p3 is like playing heroic
drifting cloud
sure but thats easy
just run for one and plant
they spawn in the same corner most of the time anyways
or well everytime pretty much, sometimes you have 1 random one
hollow escarp
do you cloak that or don't need to?
hollow escarp
drifting cloud
as frost assa trust me youre not in danger of dying
drifting cloud
yeah fatescribe cloak is when you laser yourself 
hollow escarp
or get sandwiched by 3 other beams
drifting cloud
hmm that shouldnt happen if everyone starts moving at same time
hollow escarp
well
about that
boss died a couple times now, won't see him again until mid sylvanas prog
hollow escarp
not a fun fight in terms of doing damage, but it feels good to be useful 
ornate dawn
Do you ever try help a fellow Rogue (who you can tell is new - Running Nightstalker, Exsanguinate and Hidden blades) then have them completely ignore you 😄
Feelsbadman
hollow escarp
maybe they don't care about damage
drifting cloud
exsang, you sure it wasnt kojack
hollow escarp
wdym?
drifting cloud
gusty mirage
hollow escarp
I haven't even talented by mistake exsanguinate since 8.3 
plain onyx
If i want to sim an item for single target, do I have to change talents to ST and leggo and then /simc or it doesnt matter ?
hollow escarp
you do, because otherwise it will sim with your current gear, which I understand is not single target
or you could just select those items and talents in top gear
gusty mirage
you can still sim it before switching but it'll complicate the process of you finding out what you're trying to find out
gotta scroll through and find the "baseline" for the ST build
and click it so it uses that as a reference
subtle tundra
man fuck bolstering, 0 death run in 26 soa we only have 15 minutes after 2nd boss
subtle tundra
nvm we wiped on last angel
kekw
well we had 4 minutes when we pulled it
no way to time
hollow escarp
still better than bolstering & skittish weeks
skittish is not an affix anymore, it's baseline mechanic
gusty mirage
dude true
I miss bolstering in motherlode
when the big robots applied 2 stacks cuz technically the robot died and the pilot died
subtle tundra
like wtf are you supposed to do in soa bolstering
violet jackal
Kill more evenly?
subtle tundra
overall after wipe
with really shit pulls cause bolstering fucks us
and we didnt have time
hollow escarp
does overall matter that much if mobs get bolstered?
subtle tundra
the thing is
fallen arch
Overall does matter when you wanna time that kind of keys
subtle tundra
you dont understand what the problem is
you either pull big and have to waste a lot of dps, or you pull very small and go slow anyways
goliaths get shielded at ~50% hp and by the time shield goes down other mobs are almost dead if you dont focus the shield
so every goliath pull you waste a lot of time just cause of that
then you cant double pull big when there are birds
cause they die insta
drifting cloud
I guess these affixes on a 26 are just too much for soa
just smile and wait for nerfed bolstering in .5
fallen arch
Ye I think you’re running into the ceiling of what’s possible at this point
subtle tundra
oh well then its poe league week xd
fallen arch
In fort bolster weeks
gusty mirage
like wtf are you supposed to do in soa bolstering
cry
fallen arch
Also soa on fortified is such a ball ache anyway
hollow river
Or did you do the unspoken 👀
Unspoken?
bleak sky
how do I sim for KT? Hectic add cleave or patchwork with more targets? or neither?
slim wagon
are you not going for the phylactery?
I doubt your guild is counting on you to clear the adds!
bleak sky
are you not going for the phylactery?
no, staying upstairs
fallen arch
Single target with a bit of cleave, it’s not that big a deal
bleak sky
alright, ty ty
hollow river
how do I sim for KT? Hectic add cleave or patchwork with more targets? or neithe...
Yeah we don’t sim for particular bosses tbh
balmy condor
Sub color used to be on top at some point, but I assure you the order you select them in does not matter one bit
slim wagon
that might have been the issue then. I had to remove sub from my list so to not get the wrong image to people. I do play sub now on m+ the past weeks but I'm ashamed of it and I hide it
hollow river
shrewd helm
As long as I’m not yellow 😂
fallen charm
Have anyone ever thought of creating an addon to change the sound of shiv?
gusty mirage
fallen charm
it's annoying that it has the same sound as "miss"
I know there are a feww addons like the monk one that changes to Jojo sounds
hollow river
Pretty sure you can make a WA or something that will make a noise when you put the shiv debuff on your target
fallen charm
I might do that
strange python
guys are you delaying shiv for second vendetta or on CD and then delaying Vendetta few seconds? as well some people are waiting for energy before shiv and envenoms and some just press it on cd and dont care about how many envenoms they do. Is it almost same or?
balmy condor
You hold it for 12 seconds to fit it into vendetta
You should be pressing it on cooldown
And pooling energy on envenom
strange python
good good, thank ou
south hollow
hello gamers, on KT if we use vendetta at the start does it come up when we re supposed to go down?
gusty mirage
hello gamers, on KT if we use vendetta at the start does it come up when we re s...
No, unless you’re holding DPS for a long time but I would hold vendetta for phylac
south hollow
and also, our other rogue is outlaw, do you guys think it would be wise to make him go down aswell?
tepid verge
Hi, does mfd reset on ner'zhul's orb ?
kind talon
Or does he suck @south hollow
kind talon
Hi, does mfd reset on ner'zhul's orb ?
No
south hollow
Is he goated?
he is indeed
kind talon
Thanks for the answer
I wish it did
kind talon
he is indeed
I’ve done all 3 on KT as outlaw
Stay up x3, go down x3 and a mix of both
Imo outlaw is the best spec for backup
kind talon
I can send you a log
But it depends sometimes it’s up sometimes it’s not
Which is why I don’t think it’s the best spec to send down every time
bitter apex
would someone mind looking through my logs to see what im doing wrong? I'd love to actually do decently :/
kind talon
would someone mind looking through my logs to see what im doing wrong? I'd love ...
Ok
You can link here or dm me
gusty mirage
you wipe upstairs before vendetta comes back 😛
Ye I figured as much
south hollow
btw ty oxi and decaf
quasi grotto
does anyone have the weakaura that sounds when cds like shiv suriken storm etc are off cd
ive tried editing them individually in the WA packs and they are very quiet
heavy coral
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normal mist
I swear i cant understand loot from Raid bosses. Killed sylvanas like 3/4 times in normal, and twice in HC, and 0 loot from her till now. Only gold. Jesus
I know its nothing compared to people with 15+ kills in both normal/hc
limber lion
ive tried editing them individually in the WA packs and they are very quiet
They are generally tied to your master volume, meaning that if you want them higher, you have to set your master volume high as well.
oak sky
Ive gotten 1 drop from normal 1 from heroic with 10+ of each its just how it goes
limber lion
Also shuriken storm is not really a cd :p
normal mist
Ive gotten 1 drop from normal 1 from heroic with 10+ of each its just how it goe...
1 more month for stuff start dropping!
quasi grotto
They are generally tied to your master volume, meaning that if you want them hig...
i had a weak aura ( before i decided to sort them all out ) that was nice and loud witha sound and class dependant
so when shiv was up would make a sound , or if im blasting keys shuriken tornado ******
also worked with sec tech
them sort of CDS. seriously miss it now im so used to it
mainly after the shiv one. but it was always loud regardless of master vol
balmy condor
you can change the channel it goes to
quasi grotto
just do more milos
rotund drift
gusty mirage
Boys I hope I made you proud
frosty bridge
Break the meta?
oak sky
@gusty mirage
frosty bridge
oooooooo
dense hamlet
pog
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473>
Breaking the meta
oak sky
Why is it only a 15
gusty mirage
Each key level bracket has its own winners
dense hamlet
wait what did u get @gusty mirage
gusty mirage
We didn’t have much practice cranked it out Monday night literally last minute lmao
gusty mirage
wait what did u get <@!192059095279337473>
60 days game time and a store mount
raven vapor
struggling with add/chain damage on sylvanas p1, is there anything we can do to up our damage or are we just praying for pb procs?
balmy condor
some people during RWF and stuff ran CT for p1/p2 add damage but with dashing/frost these days it's pretty troll tbh
could swap to sub
sub has some more readily available aoe in comparison
raven vapor
i don't have my gear in a decent position for sub tbh, i'd imagine running CT will just cause issues further down the line
balmy condor
Yep
But honestly there’s a lot of overlap between sub and sin gear wise
Would be surprising if you couldn’t make it work
Sin is crit haste vers
Sub is crit vers haste
raven vapor
i'm currently 45% crit, 17% haste, 21% master, 6% vers
balmy condor
Yeh would swap the haste for some vers and you’re good to go
raven vapor
i'll give it a go next raid, thanks
limber lion
struggling with add/chain damage on sylvanas p1, is there anything we can do to ...
It's honestly not really our job to deal with the chains/adds.
Most of us just stick to the boss and cleave the chains/adds if they get in range of the boss, but that's about it
Running around to hit the chains is a massive dps loss overall and usually early on during progression every bit of damage on the boss helps.
Eventually you'll be forced to hold dps for ages.
balmy condor
Yeah
That too
We struggled hard with adds and chains
But then now they’re dying pretty quick
Like 60 pulls later
Gotta see how long it takes people to get comfortable, assign some CDs to each set
And then just practice
raven vapor
yeah we're struggling quite hard on chain damage in particular
slow marsh
imagine suffering on sylvanas
gusty mirage
imagine suffering on sylvanas
still on pain?
slim wagon
pain was so much easier and enjoyable than sylvanas is atm for me
slow marsh
still on pain?
slow marsh
We had a 1% pull and then everyone just decided to int the rest of the night instead of getting there again
timid cloud
That happens, it was 150 pulls for us, then we added 50ish more I think this last weeks reclear with a different group.
timid cloud
You ever just lose half your raid team to 1st intermisson?
slow marsh
well we're at pull 245 so
gusty mirage
well we're at pull 245 so
timid cloud
well we're at pull 245 so
slow marsh
yeah i gave up last week tbh
slow marsh
we should kill it this week but i dont care anymore
alpine latch
How optimized for you guys run for dslice in m+? I’m thinking about pushing for all 20+
oak sky
Usually just go with it but maybe feelycraft in a little bit more mastery with less haste or something like that, but just dslice is good
bleak sky
How optimized for you guys run for dslice in m+? I’m thinking about pushing for ...
I kinda ignore dslice and do what agreon does
big crit, big mastery, some vers
all 20s is not super hard to get
alpine latch
Yeah, I need to figure out my cool down and potion usage in the runs. I really think that is what separates me from the good players. I don’t know when to save cool downs for, and wind up missing casts.
slow marsh
use pots on cd when you think it'll last
same with cds
dont hold unless stuff is about to die and it would be wasted
bleak sky
Yeah, I need to figure out my cool down and potion usage in the runs. I really t...
this week isn't really fun to push though
wait 2 weeks
oak sky
My strat for m+ gear is big crit then about even on the other 3
Imo you want some of everything
Low haste feels bad on lower target counts and haste isnt useless in aoe anyway
brazen zodiac
i am all ears daps
brazen zodiac
My strat for m+ gear is big crit then about even on the other 3
? what ur vers at
im curious ur stats actually
oak sky
5 rupture aoe hack 
spice spire
Exsanguinate huge ST bleed hack INFINITE ENERGY
hollow river
garret 1, garret 2, garret 3
spice spire
timid cloud
spice spire
Should have made a venom rush joke 
arctic hare
Yeeeee
ebon notch
<:RHmm:876980657283297360>
so you know
how you can use MA to make frost set giga?
right
that secret tech
well ive found a way to amplify it
all you gotta do is
USE SHIV JUST BEFORE YOU VANISH
AND AMPLIFY THE FROST DAMAGE CRIT
boom
oneshot
balmy condor
Yep that’s an ass beating
oak sky
Frost damage amped by shiv 
ebon notch
Frost damage amped by shiv <:peepostudy:585733927562641408>
NATURE DAMAGE
you guys dont know
the intricacies of this spec
ive done so many boost runs
ive become one
with the shiv
@sudden brook back me up homie
oak sky
While inside the Maw or Torghast, each time you deal a critical strike, the Winds accumulate 9% of that effect, up to a cap of 180 per critical strike.
Every 20 sec, the Winds unleash, dealing Nature damage equal to the total accumulation and and surrounding you in the Winds for 20 sec, absorbing 100% of damage dealt by the Winds.
ebon notch
FROST IS PART OF NATURE
oak sky
Its time
oak sky
LOOK
ebon notch
oak sky
BLIZZARD PATCHED IT
ebon notch
@balmy condor IVE BLOWN THIS CASE WIDE OPEN
WHY HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING THE SECRET TECH FROM US
oak sky
Daps gonna be put on the blacklist for disrespecting the whitelist
ebon notch
sudden brook
why the fuck are u pinging me
ebon notch
guy i found new tech
oak sky
sudden brook
why are u pinging me about assassination TC
that you havent even tested to see if its actually good or nnot
balmy condor
why the fuck are u pinging me
He took crack
ebon notch
oak sky
"TC" 
sudden brook
hollow river
hollow river
Is this for realz? Do we line up as many shivs as we can with winds now? No more slamming?
ebon notch
Is this for realz? Do we line up as many shivs as we can with winds now? No more...
yes
oak sky
oak sky
Yes
ebon notch
ur ramping like a venth boomie
ur useless outside of your vanish
but you build up your frost set
and then hit the boss for 250k
sudden brook
Touch grass
good one
balmy condor
Did you know that trolling and intentionally spreading misinformation, along with harassment pings, are all against the rules
sudden brook
vocal edge
For the flag MfD build, if I have SnD already up do I alter my opener anymore than just dropping the SnD and going right into mut gar flag rup?
ebon notch
Good thing <@124465215826821120> is a positive force in the community!
this but unironically
gusty mirage
big crit, big mastery, some vers
"big mastery"
balmy condor
For the flag MfD build, if I have SnD already up do I alter my opener anymore th...
If you have snd already, you would mut rup mut gar flag env I guess
bleak sky
"big mastery" <:Cringe:750832154358972427>
stop bullying my mastery oxi 😠
ebon notch
stop bullying my mastery oxi 😠
mastery big doo doo
strange python
Any reason to not just send fusion amp on CD?
hollow river
heroic fusion amp does dog shit dam in my logs
like first use during lust is big boom boom pow
2nd use is garbo
strange python
:pepeclown-1:
strange python
Where is oshosi - I haven't tormented him in a while
ebon notch
doesn't seem that great to me tbh
are you sure you have snd up
hollow river
yes
wintry mica
make sure you are attacking the boss when you use it
wintry mica
meh my heroic fusion amp was doing similar damage to my maxed out totem
hollow river
yeah its similar
normal mist
Hey guys, quick question: is there any "go to" YouTube guide for rogue m+?
Started doing 15's with g.mates but my overall won't go over 7.5k
balmy condor
YouTube guides in general are a no no for anything more than basics
normal mist
Hm. Darn it, thought it would be easier to just watch a guide than to ask literally everything 
echo geyser
!guide are generally go to i think
prisma monolithBOT
normal mist
My boss damage is amazing, pretty much always 1st with a huge advantage, but in AoE / trash, while everyone else is doing like 15/20k DPS, I'm struggling at 10k, if I even manage to do that
Welp, anyway, 2:20am, imma sleep and return tomorrow and ask for help. Cheers 
balmy condor
My boss damage is amazing, pretty much always 1st with a huge advantage, but in ...
That’s pretty much how rogue works right now 
prisma laurel
How do you change covanents and will the renown get reset if I do?
balmy condor
You talk to the guys in the enclave in oribos, and yes, it gets reset to the renown you have on that covenant
Each covenant is its own progression which saves as you leave/join
If you got 20 renown on fae, swapped venth, got 80 renown, and go back to fae, you’ll be at 20 renown just like you left it
brazen zodiac
can u not fient the despair from the adds in fatescribe
am i just a troll
feint*
stray mural
is being stuck on remnant for 4 weeks a sign
balmy condor
and oh ok thanks whispyr :c
Just los, or greed with cloak and then tell your raid lead you can’t clear orbs
balmy condor
Just the one cast
brazen zodiac
before cloakin
balmy condor
I mean if you get hit by 1 you’re annoying but you’ll live
If you get hit by 2, you’ll need 2 healers spot healing you or an external
Usually 2 means rip in 2-3 seconds
ebon notch
is being stuck on remnant for 4 weeks a sign
Sorry what
How is this being glossed over
brazen zodiac
because we feel too bad
ebon notch
Never soak a double cast from the fatescribe adds
Guaranteed cheat proc if the healers are slacking
brazen zodiac
ill just tank 1 then cloak before second cast
brazen zodiac
hm
balmy condor
Door of shadow out and then shadowstep back in is the bigger brain move
ebon notch
Then you have like 20 secs to dot shit up
ebon notch
Door of shadow out and then shadowstep back in is the bigger brain move
The cast is like 2 seconds long
I wouldn't risk it
balmy condor
The cast is like 2 seconds long
Yeah but if you line it up with nadjia thrill seeker you get 20% haste so it’s only 1.6 seconds
ebon notch
...
ebon notch
You're on more crack than me I s2g
ebon notch
this guild has had 9 weeks on it
I hope you have many many friends in that guild
stray mural
when assa chat told me to jump ship from my heroic guild to a mythic guild this was what i got
balmy condor
Time to jump ship again brother
stray mural
we've been farming first 3 and spending 3 hours on night 2 on remnant
balmy condor
cerulean nest
how much do you guys do to the spike ball during pain?
just a rupture, or are you envenoming/garroting too?
ebon notch
how much do you guys do to the spike ball during pain?
Nothing
If I see it's going slightly slow I rupture it
If I see 3+ people dead then I focus it
stray mural
<:kekW:620386906634584095>
wanna see logs from tonight
ebon notch
wanna see logs from tonight
@balmy condor hold me
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> hold me
Sus
stray mural
im not like the best but i felt like i did a pretty hefty job
ebon notch
ebon notch
You oneshot the eye
But had how many wipes on the nine?
It's basically the same fight as heroic
stray mural
it's because these are the only bosses we've killed
the upside is i got four fucking pieces tonight and maybe i leave
if we clear remnant on sunday ill stay if we dont ill leave. thats the straw
balmy condor
hasnt the patch been out for like
Painsmith check
spice spire
they cleared it
spice spire
i know because their hance shaman tweeted it out
brazen zodiac
with me in it
dude i wouldve parsed like
a 90 if i didnt die
with like 30 seconds left
spice spire
unluck 
brazen zodiac
my mythic parses
are os shit
sigh
whispyr hows sylv going
i be there in 3 weeks
balmy condor
We saw p2 yesterday
balmy condor
Good news is p3 doesn’t exist
balmy condor
Yeah
ebon notch
Only need backup in p3
brazen zodiac
extemporaneous fate fk
balmy condor
tank keeps eating tank add
Tell him that the mechanic is to not eat the add
hollow river
sylvanas prison
brazen zodiac
late night
hollow river
almost to p3
bleak sky
this guild has had 9 weeks on it
what the
I'm sure you can jump to a better guild
also first painsmith kill after 350+wipes pog
bleak sky
i'm on the same boat as you were a couple of weeks ago whispyr
people can't take the circles to pylons
too hard too difficult
static mirage
Thoughts on playing Duskwalker's on Mythic KT if you're a downstairs boy?
bleak sky
next pull agreon
obtuse ruin
Sorry guys been on a break. What’s the go to mythic+ leggo now? Still zoldyck?
hollow river
Sorry guys been on a break. What’s the go to mythic+ leggo now? Still zoldyck?
that or Obedience if you have it
obtuse ruin
I’m necro
obtuse ruin
Thanks
obtuse ruin
I’m just trying to get back now hoping assa will be better once aoe caps are off
hollow river
yeah hopefully so
but thing is
there are very few pulls that are actually over 8 targets
so it may not be that beneficial
hollow river
gratz dood
shrewd helm
thanks man. 147 pulls
stray mural
what the
https://www.wipefest.gg/report/pHQFCkTXZwytnJD1 further context
this was the last time we got to remnant.
hollow river
thanks man. 147 pulls
not too shabby
stray mural
some of our best pulls on this fight have been from randoms
shrewd helm
not too shabby
ty
bleak sky
https://www.wipefest.gg/report/pHQFCkTXZwytnJD1 further context
bs/ds doesn't feel good to play for me
are you enjoying it?
stray mural
that was last week before i had r5 frost and dashing. i have since switched and absolutely do not regret it.
bleak sky
slow marsh
if bs was like 5-10% higher proc chance iwould play it
balmy condor
if bs was like 5-10% higher proc chance iwould play it
If I told you bs was undersimming by 5% you would play it instantly don’t pretend like you’re not a fiend
slow marsh
true
slow marsh
i dont have an issue with the playstyle
spice spire
DPS animals smh
slow marsh
you know it
oak sky
@balmy condor give me a whispyr hopium
because its happening
i wont get loot
i wont get vengeane
but i will get CE
spice spire
stray mural
I don’t even know if I want CE anymore. I just want loot.
pure walrus
Hey bois, is wow analyzer a good reference to know where im lacking when i input my logs into it? If not , any other alternatives?
fallen arch
Hey bois, is wow analyzer a good reference to know where im lacking when i input...
Have someone with knowledge of the class/spec look at them
balmy condor
Yeah wowanalyzer is dogshit
timid cloud
It’s been bad since before SL & that thing where they removed the good looking cast bars & put it behind a paywall was cringe.
The timeline, I couldn’t think of the word.
normal mist
This channel is way too quiet today
Wakey wakey guys
I need m+ assa tips and tricks!
oak sky
kk
for 2-4 target cleave you just open with garrote, then get all your bleeds up
5t you cant get garrote on all the targets
and the more targets the harder it is to maintain a bunch of ruptures
aoe is pretty much the same
always keep snd up the whole key if you can
sometimes you only press it the first pack
CT is the highest priority finisher besides snd at 3t+
and use CT in single target outside shiv if u didnt know that
oak sky
dashing isnt great for keys
obedience and zoldyck are both really good options
obedience gives you better single target and prio damage and zoldyck better aoe
normal mist
CT in st, why?
oak sky
oh just to maintain the dot
it does more damage than envenom in single target as long as you arent running dashing
but in shiv you never CT
once the dot is up you go back to envenom
fallow otter
normal mist
Sorry @oak sky 2 deliveries arrived, I had to be the one getting them, jeez working in a factory can be harsh sometimes
normal mist
It's fine most of the time, I don't actually do much while my machine is working (I cut steel) but sometimes people decide it's my job to get steel deliveries (talking about tons worth of steel)
normal mist
Btw, in m+, during a 4mob pack, garrote X4, CT, maintain ruptures and focus one down with mutilate or do I gamble FoK?
sonic schooner
If I remember . 2 = mut. 3 = mut or fok whatever. 4 = fok
hollow river
3+ you only fok to spread poison
normal mist
Alright. In big pulls, sometimes I feel like CT doesn't hit all targets, does it have a cap as well?
hollow river
Alright. In big pulls, sometimes I feel like CT doesn't hit all targets, does it...
8 target capped, same as fok
normal mist
Then yeah. In that case it's it worth to recast CT to apply to remaining targets (above 8)
hollow river
Debatable
normal mist
Even above 8?
kind talon
yes
u maintain ct on every target count except for ST in shiv
and u spread ruptures in every target count
normal mist
I don't like playing outlaw or sub, but I feel I lack a lot of dmg or utility as assa in m+
Besides the triple silence
kind talon
yeah kidney / blind being your only prot cast interrupt sucks
gouge / cheapshot is really really nice
normal mist
As assa I swear wasting cps on a kidney hurts inside xD
kind talon
yeah being able to interrupt as a builder
is super strong
and sub just has infinity cheapshot too
quite strong
normal mist
I've always loved classes/specs that can rot, aka dots, poisons bleeds etc
AFF, Boomie, assa, spriest, etc
And outlaw and sub really don't do it for me
normal mist
Been playing assa since tbc probably. Never enjoyed the other two. 
Btw, about m+, what offensive powers should we take?
The 2x CRIT?
kind talon
Btw, about m+, what offensive powers should we take?
necrotic wounding, champions brand
dagger of necrotic wounding is insane
normal mist
Oh... All this time i picked the one that gives 200+ crit or mast lol
stray mural
@normal mist I play Assa because I shut my brain off and enjoy a nice 40 APM.
normal mist
I have no problems with more APM, really not, but it's about satisfaction
autumn frost
I eventually need to try out sub.
normal mist
I like sub when I'm in shadowdance
I hate when I'm not
It feels so bad and powerless waiting for the next charge of SD
viscid spear
GOTTAGOFAST to molasses\
arctic hare
lol
viscid spear
I like Sub too (prefer Sin obv) but that incredible dissonance between Dancing and Not-Dancing is insane.
inland hull
I've been dabbling in sub lately on some heroic pulls and +15 keys, and once I started viewing that gap as maintenance time (SnD, rupture) then it made much more sense.
Just not greeding for that third dance before symbols comes off CD changed my life
lusty bane
I've some questions regarding the Dashing Frost Shard build. Do sims really take into account for the amount of crit? I can have like 1350 crit but of course my haste would be really low. Can we "trust" the sims calculating right amount of frost damage or should I just go banans on crit anyway? ALSO, do Crimson Tempest actually count as a "poison" to trigger our frost effect? Like, can we pad a bunch of mobs with CT and the frost shards go even higher with more critting dots?
Second question about CT i mean when using the dashing scoundrel leggo
visual prairie
i don't know, that sim stole my girl
hollow escarp
keep in mind that even with 45% crit you can have pulls where you only get 20% crit on winds hits
and since they are like 10-12 in most fights, that can influence your final dps
lusty bane
and yes, CT does funnel winds damage
Cool! But how? Isn't the leggo triggered by poisons, not bleeds?
lusty bane
aaaah
visual prairie
winds dmg comes from all crits
hollow escarp
^^
visual prairie
the lego just gives you more poison crits
lusty bane
I see. Thanks a lot guys! I'll follow the sims then. My build with 47% crit did NOT sim higher 😄
hollow escarp
you can get lucky and get winds to crit everytime 
visual prairie
assassination is so easy a good parse at this point comes down to "did winds crit?"
hollow escarp
you can't rely on that alone
I happened to have one of my best pulls on the eye with only 6% crit on winds
visual prairie
my eye parse comes down to, did my side get an add in addition to the eye? did my side have to slow dps?
cerulean nest
on painsmith, do you have 3min CD people hold them during p2 to use on p3 lust? or just blow em and not have them up for lust?
lusty bane
You nuke and if your's too fast, you swap with another one next pull
hollow escarp
on painsmith, do you have 3min CD people hold them during p2 to use on p3 lust? ...
our 3 min guys do that
well, boomies do
hollow escarp
yeah, they hold for lust
cerulean nest
gotcha
hollow escarp
first 2 phases are not that tight if everybody is alive
and last one is 40% of boss hp left
upbeat needle
can someone please tell me why my parses are so dogshit
my heroic and normal are pretty good but mythic is just eh
idk if it's kill times or what
anyone willing to take a look?
shy dust
Probably just mistakes amplified by bad kill times and gear
uneven hamlet
Parses are weird tbh, it's a good metric but from a other perspective you shouldn't mind them that much
visual prairie
on guardian, losing htat last 3/4 flag and instead lining it up with vendetta
but it depends on timings
also you have flag where MFD wasnt coming of CD
hold flag for a few seconds to make sure you can MFD duirng the build
gusty mirage
I mean glancing at your guardian parse, you only wasted 3cp, and your bleed uptimes were good. your rotation seems fine, seems to be a CD lineup issue from a quick glance
not much you can do there tbh
kill time seems fine too
idk
visual prairie
could it be just that? seems weird that what looks like a relatively well played pull = gray parse
gusty mirage
it's the only thing that comes to mind unless he got wrecked with bombs like every single time
gusty mirage
oh I see now
he got hit with the beam
that's 6s of nothing but dots ticking which also affects winds proc
quasi grotto
Would appreciate some help some overlook on mine. I struggle with env uptime and bleeds but don't think that's the full issue
quasi grotto
80% whatever tho ?
clever kindle
envenom uptime is what I maximize when im bored in a fight
I mean it does add up though, theres nothing better to do then min max it when you've dumped your energy
upbeat needle
Well I'm glad to know that I'm playing decent. We also don't do MD strat on Nerzhul which is pain 😦
I just don't be getting how I see people super high with no externals and then my parse is just shit, but I feel like I'm playing decent. Usually top ST in every fight but our comp is a bit weird
not a lot of ST blasters
gusty mirage
I just don't be getting how I see people super high with no externals and then m...
there's also raid comp & strats that play into it