assassination

[gusty mirage]

So idk

https://wago.io/HyPPOo5lf
?

[deep wadi]

!opener

[gusty mirage]

It varies slightly with covenant, what cov are you? I can give you the quick basic opener

[glass tulip]

this is what I have been doing (Venthyr dashing)

[gusty mirage]

I appreciate you saving me the effort of typing that out

[glass tulip]

trinket may be early but eh

[hollow river]

Only thing missing is mfd if it sims better for you (:

[glass tulip]

yeah im not an mfd gamer

[hollow river]

Trinket usage is fine

We don’t sync it

[gusty mirage]

Ye as long as it goes on cd early it’s all good

I macro mine w/ flag too cause I cba’d making another bind for it

[hollow river]

What if you have to sync flag and vendetta?

[glass tulip]

my binds are pretty freed up

[gusty mirage]

I don’t even bother

[glass tulip]

more than enough room for activities

[hollow river]

But you parse so good ):

[tight ginkgo]

Did someone say mf doomblade?

[hollow river]

Wut

[gusty mirage]

Idk about that one chief

Got a pretty nasty fatescribe parse up there

[hollow river]

I have a blue heroic fate

And no mythic fate

[gusty mirage]

A fellow atrocity gamer?

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-digibyte-asmongold-twitch-wtf-gif-19517235

[gusty mirage]

I’d take a no parse over the 3 I got

[strange python]

Happy to see so many assassination rogues playing the true rogue spec.

[hollow river]

Sub and outlaw are fun too

[glass tulip]

yes sir

[hollow river]

All I have is atrocity wa HUD and Essentials :/

I need to give elvui a try again

[bleak sky]

ALL CAPS

[quaint carbon]

at Nine opening do you guy blast 1 target then next one or apply stuff on first one then blast 2nd?

[limber lion]

You open on one target, applying garrote on the second target when it's available

Toss in a rupture on the second target after the Shiv window ends on your primary target.

[lavish lichen]

If you’re running daunting duelist you dont hard swap so keep that in mind

[quaint carbon]

true, and yeah totally forgot about the duelist too ty

[limber lion]

Just make sure to maintain garrote/rupture/deadly poison on all targets throughout the fight

Except for the small add

[quaint carbon]

[bleak sky]

lucky fok when small add is grouped

[chrome spoke]

so i cant craft dashing since no one does castle nathria anymore any tips how to get it appart from doing korthia and hoping u get it from rng?

and covenant doesnt guarantee it either.

[soft shale]

it drops in lfr

[bleak sky]

^

[soft shale]

just put some music while que pops

it will take a while

[bleak sky]

join lfr, wait 15-20 min for queue and thats it

[chrome spoke]

ye about that

and dont have all night to play xD

[soft shale]

neverlucky

[bleak sky]

it will pop soonTM

[chrome spoke]

aye i trust u amigo

ill wait

[violet jackal]

if you have a lot of grateful offerings you can roll those to try to hit as well.

[chrome spoke]

ye i dont so im fucked dont even have the 4 anima streams they talkin bout

have 3 gratefull offerings

haha

[bleak sun]

There is 1wq that give 2/day or harika 3/day

[chrome spoke]

1.18 hours 2 healers left

[glass tulip]

@chrome spoke I would buy the forgotten memory or whatever it is called from your covenant / korthia. It is super cheap for the covenant gifts

[bleak sky]

which wing is it again? are you on na?

[chrome spoke]

im in boys

@bleak sky i appreciate u

[bleak sky]

pog

[arctic hare]

Best bet is LFR, good luck

[normal mist]

You can just buy from the vendor inkorthia, the random ones

[arctic hare]

That too

But the RNG sucks lol

[normal mist]

The one inside the cave?

[arctic hare]

yeah, its in the cave

[normal mist]

I mean it's so cheap tho

How much does it cost? BCS I've like 30k of that currency

[arctic hare]

2000 each

Yeah

you'll get 15 legendary powers LOL

[normal mist]

I believe I won't get any since I have them all xD

[arctic hare]

oh

then theres no point in wasting lol

[normal mist]

What is that currency for tho? I legit have no idea

Does it award anything good at max rank?

[arctic hare]

uh

You're able to upgrade korthian armanents and put sockets onto things

[normal mist]

Up to 233 right?

[arctic hare]

uh

sounds about right

[normal mist]

And are the sockets to that exclusive to that gear?

Because I saw the vendor up above selling the socket thingy as well for a butt load of soul ashe

[arctic hare]

oh no, not at all

you can put the sockets onto anything that allows it

[normal mist]

Hmmmmmm weird the price diff between them then

[arctic hare]

yee

Soul cinders are harder to get tho

[normal mist]

Exactly, cinders. You get like 200/week or something?

[arctic hare]

no clue

I need to start farming them again lol

Oh well

[normal mist]

I've crafted my dashing 262 and stopped as well 😂

[arctic hare]

I need to upgrade my dashing to 262

[normal mist]

If you wanna make it quicker, remember doing the maw assaults

[arctic hare]

ew

[normal mist]

(the covenent thingy)

[arctic hare]

ahhh

crap

I've gotta do torghast this week too anyways

[normal mist]

It awards like 50 per assault. If 4 assaults/week, it's already a big chunk

[arctic hare]

4 assaults a week? thought it was only 2

[normal mist]

Maybe I'm just dumb and can't count properly xD

You're probably right

[kind talon]

Ye it’s only 2 per week

[arctic hare]

I had figured

[bleak sky]

510/week

[normal mist]

255 per each 12floor? Or you already counting with maw assaults?

[bleak sky]

360 from torghy, 100 from assaults (2 per week, not 4), 50 from tormentors

[normal mist]

Oh the torment thingies, I've seen them like twice :(

But thanks for your maths bro, 😎

[arctic hare]

oh crap!

I have 1077 on my own

meaning if I do everything, I'll be able to get it

well, not as much, but good enough

[hollow river]

like 300 something from torghast, can get a good 100-200 more from open world content

oh someone already replied

[balmy condor]

I think its like 301 from torg, and maybe 99-199 from open world

[hollow river]

can also buy upgrades for conduits

[hollow river]

[normal mist]

@hollow river that requires the last rank right? For people coming in mid-late patch, we are screwd

[hollow river]

i don't think so

pretty sure it'll give you a 145 ilvl or something if you're missing conduits, but you can also get conduits from this current raid, unlike legendary memories.

[normal mist]

I'm at the point where everything Is 226+, with some 230+ from the raid hc

[hollow river]

my Lashing Scars is still so low

[timid cloud]

Are you talking about conduits?

[normal mist]

Got it , 226 last night!

Yes

[timid cloud]

You get items in Korthia that upgrade them too, also do a M+ & it’ll give you higher item level ones.

Up to 226

[normal mist]

Yes, I praise those items from korthia

[timid cloud]

To go past that you need to upgrade with Korthian relic research.

Or clear heroic / mythic SOD.

[arctic hare]

Yeah, I managed to grab lashing scars 226

[timid cloud]

Your covenant one is usually always the last one to get upgraded of the spec.

[arctic hare]

Yeah, its a pain

[oak sky]

Nah its random

Make sure you do adamant vaults in torghast if you want upgrades past 226

[balmy condor]

it's random starting from your lowest

so it's not reaaaally that random

they'll come up pretty evenly

[timid cloud]

Yeah, it's only random if they're all the same level.

[oak sky]

yeah but what I meant is theres no reason your covenant should always be last

[quasi scroll]

My Lashing Scars is still 213, what's the best way to upgrade it?

[oak sky]

go to korthia

[quasi scroll]

Is korthia farm the only way?

ok

[oak sky]

thats the easy way to get 226

the easy way past that is doing korthia to buy the upgrades and doing torghast every week

[quasi scroll]

ok ty

[timid cloud]

The only other way to get that conduit at 226 is Mythic Sire....so you're better off just doing Korthia instead of trying to go all the way through the raid.

[timid cloud]

I think actually one way to get that conduit to 226 is through the Shaping Fate cache, since it literally just happened to someone I know as I was typing that out.

[brazen zodiac]

Korthia pretty easy now tbh.

On most good days you can get like 3000 catalog research.

[craggy ruin]

Hi

is it still worth to use Deathly shadows pre pull ?

[worn panther]

There's not a reason not to

[craggy ruin]

i see a lot povs not using it

[hollow river]

did they make the rares refarmable already?

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t work for Assassination, nor outlaw

So

[worn panther]

Wait it doesn't? oh no

[brazen zodiac]

no not yet

they just made t more

drop more relic bullshit

[balmy condor]

The fact that it only works for sub means that you probably won’t see it outside of that :P

[craggy ruin]

so it works only on sub?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[worn panther]

Yeah on Sub works fine

[balmy condor]

It got fixed on Assassination and outlaw maybe 2 months ago?

Month and a half?

[craggy ruin]

ah okay

feelsbad

[balmy condor]

It wasn’t very good for those specs to begin with

It was less than 1% for sin while it worked

[worn panther]

Yeah, Assa didn't gain much, Outlaw at least didn't have to RNG to get SnD for Opener

[balmy condor]

I think on outlaw it was questionable if it was a gain at all at some point

CTO good

But I think it ended up being a small gain

[worn panther]

I remember it being a gain as well, and it just felt nice to not press SnD xD then dices can get ya to 2mins and you forgot about the ability

[balmy condor]

Isn’t mfd the play anyways

Getting slice up before

[hollow river]

think so

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor yo do you use plater?

[balmy condor]

I do

[ebon notch]

do you use the personal bar?

[subtle tundra]

SPEAKING OF PLATER. i've had a problem for a few days
how do i make it so i can see party member's health bars above them during dungeons?
i have nameplates enabled

i just cant see my teammates without it

[oak sky]

@balmy condor hes asking for me

[ebon notch]

fk u

[oak sky]

is there a way to make plater personal bar into an anchor for WAs

[balmy condor]

I do not

[ebon notch]

rippo

any idea how you could get a weakaura to interact with it so it anchors?

[balmy condor]

At least I don’t think I do

[balmy condor]

Should just be able to anchor in

[oak sky]

what does that mean whispyr

[hollow river]

Can you anchor WA’s to enemy bars?

[oak sky]

idk

[hollow river]

Hmm

What is the goal?

[oak sky]

thats not what im trying to do rn though

[hollow river]

Ik

What exactly are you trying to do?

[oak sky]

i think i figured it out actually

[ebon notch]

because he isnt answering

he wants to anchor weakauras to his personal resource display

and that display is done by plater

[hollow river]

who >_>

[hollow river]

i see

[ebon notch]

agroaner

[hollow river]

i think you may have misunderstood

oh-nvm. i did.

[hollow river]

the small personal display like jpc uses?

[ebon notch]

ye its from plater

but he figured it out

[hollow river]

yeye

i was just curious

[oak sky]

i was throwing some weak auras so I dont have to look down every 30s

[arctic hare]

Which is better

Potent Acid Gland or Elethium weights?

Potent acid gland it is lol

[oak sky]

probably acid gland

but both are near top

tier

[versed mica]

Speaking of which, has anyone simmed all the Anima powers for terragrue for sin rogue? I'm honestly curious what the best combination is

[balmy condor]

they aren't simmable

[hollow river]

the one that makes you spend less energy is a banger

[oak sky]

i think best are elethium weights potent acid gland huddled carvings erratic howler

other ones are ok too

[limber lion]

Huddled Carvings, Elethium Weights, Potent Acid Gland and Lumbering Form

LF aint as bad as people make it out to be, so long as you play it right, you literally have to be stood on top of someone for it to matter

And the boss already enforces spreading because of the fear outside of the intermissions

I avoided LF for the longest time, but it's just free damage completely

As long as you don't go mega greedy during intermission

That's the only time you can cuck your guildies

[versed mica]

My guild dunks on me for using LF but the only people who get hit are the DH who fel rushes on top of me, or a tank suddenly changing position

[limber lion]

Like it's 1 yard

[ebon notch]

on heroic you dont even need to stand in the safe zone so

especially when using frost set

[limber lion]

You can still soak the green beam, help soak the thingies on the floor

And so on

[versed mica]

I know there's powers that FEEL good, I just wish I could see the math on it

[limber lion]

Which powers are the feel-good powers?

[versed mica]

The ones you said lmao

And blade of the lifetaker

[limber lion]

Blade?

That's an awful power

The ones I listed are only powers that increase your kits damage

Blade, Erratic Howl etc. increase your damage from external sources

[versed mica]

Always procs often for me

[limber lion]

It's not the best

The way the amp powers work

[versed mica]

Pretty sure my highest parse on Terra has howl or blade

[limber lion]

Is that they amp each other

Which is why they are the best

[versed mica]

Granted, they probably also have the flat damage increases with it

[limber lion]

You getting 30% more primary stat from Elethium Weights directly affects the amount of damage you get from Huddled Carvings

And so on

It all stacks up

[versed mica]

Doesn't weights give you Stam as well?

[limber lion]

Yes

[versed mica]

That would increase blade dmg

[ebon notch]

tbf blade procs a fuckload

like a lot

[limber lion]

The thing is

[ebon notch]

but its just not necessarily better than the others

[limber lion]

Blade does decent damage

But that's it

[ebon notch]

ye

[limber lion]

Gland does damage, and it gives you the 25% damage amp

And erratic howl simply just does a lot more than blade

It's a decent power

But definitely not one of the best ones

[versed mica]

Still feels better than 12% haste

[limber lion]

Here's a random damage breakdown from a log

Pretty much doing the same amount of damage

but potent also gives 25% increase to all damage

But yeh

Granted

They're both super rng powers

and both can pop the fuck off sometimes

[ebon notch]

and howler scales with lumbering/elethium/w,e

[limber lion]

I once had a pull where Gland was 30% of my overall damage

And sometimes it did like 5%

It's just the nature of these shitty rng powers

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

The consistent powers that give you % damage amp

[balmy condor]

but does it feel better

[limber lion]

are just better

[ebon notch]

yes but cev

how does it feeeel?

[limber lion]

I don't feel anything

[ebon notch]

[balmy condor]

I had frost set on over blood set and deadass didn't notice for like half the raid

[hollow river]

it hits me right in the feels when im doing 40k dps

[oak sky]

what day is it and what are the star positions

[limber lion]

Zeph had a pull 45.1% Sylv prog pull where their monk didn't have a set on whatsoever

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

Just forgot to equip one after doing m+

And didn't notice

[ebon notch]

ur capping

[limber lion]

after 4 hours

[ebon notch]

how

[balmy condor]

because it's impossible to tell

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

because no one can actually tell

[balmy condor]

they're all passive

[ebon notch]

i noticed straight after opener when my dps started dropping

[balmy condor]

that's cap

[oak sky]

i swear you can tell when you play sin or outlaw

[ebon notch]

i mean i had hacha

[oak sky]

if ur missing frost

[ebon notch]

at the same ilvl

playing sub

and we had similar openers

and then i suddenly did like 3k less than him

for no reason

[limber lion]

l2p

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

defeated by the gear boss

[balmy condor]

nah but like for real people only notice 85% of the effects in this game cause they either force themselves to track it for some reason or they're watching for the damage number to pop up

[ebon notch]

L + ratiod + the boss killed you

im such a good feelycrafter that i can tell

when i dont have it on

[balmy condor]

people tracking frost set like it fucking matters :/

[oak sky]

no

you can force it to crit

with MA

[ebon notch]

you back off right now mister

[balmy condor]

agreon I'll shove my hand so far up your ass I can pick your nose

[oak sky]

😳

[limber lion]

If I showed you 2 clips and on one clip the player was using Zoldyck and on the other clip the player is using Doomblade

[ebon notch]

XDDDDDD

[limber lion]

You would never be able to tell

which one is which

[ebon notch]

YOU SENT HIM THE PACKAGE

[kind talon]

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH

[oak sky]

whispyr

i

...

i

[ebon notch]

bet

[balmy condor]

of the jailer, second boss in sanctum of domination, never drops the chest piece

yes I'm familiar

[oak sky]

or the hands

[balmy condor]

true

[oak sky]

especially the handss

[limber lion]

Aight let's test

[ebon notch]

WHERE ARE THE CLIPS

[limber lion]

Can you tell which legendary is being used for these 2 profiles?

Take an educated guess

Clock's ticking

🕰️

[ebon notch]

show damage numbers for bottom eon

i assume theyre the same fight yeah?

[kind talon]

[limber lion]

Maybe, maybe not

[kind talon]

take an educated guess little man

[ebon notch]

i didnt claim to be fuckin clairvoyant

[balmy condor]

top is doomblade for sure

[limber lion]

It was a trick question. The fight on the bottom is Eye of the Jailer with Duskwalkers

Top one is Opulence from BFA

[ebon notch]

yeah

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

[ebon notch]

i thought so

[balmy condor]

I took a 50/50

knowing I would miss 100

[oak sky]

duskwalkers

[ebon notch]

i knew cev was doing something fucky

[limber lion]

It was a good shot

[ebon notch]

when he cut off the damage numbers

he's too smart to crop like that

[limber lion]

I mean not really

because I cropped the wrong one

[kind talon]

lmao

[limber lion]

4m Envenom damage is pretty

bonkers

[ebon notch]

i still knew something was fucky

also no set bonus

[hollow river]

but i can make it do things

[limber lion]

Bottom one had unholy

[balmy condor]

bruh I've washed my hands like 7 times tonight and they still fucking dirty aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[kind talon]

[ebon notch]

i win

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

why everything gotta breaaaaaaaaak

[ebon notch]

video of whisp shouting at broken things?

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

we have a solenoid switch on the machines which triggers on every shot to reset the lane

looks like that

the fucking piston

just randomly decides to suicide

and leave this planet

[oak sky]

solenoid

sheeeesh

[balmy condor]

and then you gotta get a tiny ass o ring piece of shit

and fumble it back onto the rod holding in place

anyway

[ebon notch]

ass'o'ring

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

@balmy condor

wo hen xihuan bing qi linq

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-score-social-credit-score-gif-23336710

[hollow river]

what do you do?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

bowling alley mechanic

[hollow river]

i'm a mechanic

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

i'm not a mechanic

[kind talon]

you're studying to be a mechanic

[oak sky]

I'm not studying to be a mechanic

[kind talon]

you definitely are

[hollow river]

i work on deez

[oak sky]

goated

[kind talon]

what is deez?

[hollow river]

big machine go vroom

[kind talon]

i work on deez

[ebon notch]

thats a truck truck

[kind talon]

^ deez

[balmy condor]

like only those specifically?

[hollow river]

yes

[balmy condor]

wild

that's a specialization I didn't know existed

[hollow river]

same, until i started a few years ago

[oak sky]

are you employed by like a car company or trucking company

[hollow river]

manufacturer

[oak sky]

oh cool

[hollow river]

@balmy condor so if i use conduit upgrade item it 100% upgrades my lowest conduit?

[balmy condor]

yes

if there's multiple at that rank, it will pick one of them

[hollow river]

kk jw i thought i saw you say something along those lines earlier today

my last 213 is lashing, pretty rough

[ebon notch]

u disgust me

[hollow river]

):

my low lashing is the whole reason my parses are shit, i know

[balmy condor]

I gained 250 dps from 5 sockets and 14 conduit tokens

[strange python]

how much lower should a bis assa sim be compared to bis sub/outlaw?

i've been told assa kinda performs better ingame than it sims

[balmy condor]

according to faq's, about 400

[balmy condor]

I don't sim low I promise it's just undersimming pls guys

[ebon notch]

if you did the MA frost set tech you'd be doing way more dps

just l2p kiddo

[strange python]

well I think even assa still sims high, compared to other classes

just not compared to other rogue specs

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor when we go through arms APL?

i wanna see how much you could potentially squeeze out of htem

[balmy condor]

I took a brief look honestly seems fine

[ebon notch]

my stream content

[balmy condor]

I have other content on the way

:)

[ebon notch]

oh no

[balmy condor]

be patient

[ebon notch]

head shaving stream?

waxing stream like gromnak?

[balmy condor]

not stream content

[ebon notch]

GUIDE?

[strange python]

onlyfans(ofknives)

[balmy condor]

patience

[ebon notch]

[oak sky]

Wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

0 content compared to this

[oak sky]

Oh

Big moves

?

[balmy condor]

big moves

[ebon notch]

o fuck

[oak sky]

Cant wait to hear about it

[balmy condor]

honestly it's like maybe 30% done and I want to spoil it so bad cause I'm so hype but it would ruin it

[oak sky]

Can you give a hint or like what its related to

If that gives it away dont

[balmy condor]

hmmmm

community event :)

[oak sky]

Oh shit

Yeah now im really excited for this

[balmy condor]

:)

[ebon notch]

DPS COMPETITION

LETS GOOOOOOO

[hollow river]

all rogue raid

"whispyr finally gets heroic EoN"

[arctic hare]

Lol

[balmy condor]

yeah that's very exciting

[hollow river]

[plain onyx]

Do i go with Theotar even on Tyrannical weeks ?

[azure crane]

SiM yOuR ChARactER

[plain onyx]

hahahaha okay 😂

[kind talon]

theotar is great

:)

[spice spire]

Theotar is still very good in ST due to tea, it’s fine to roll with that

[kind talon]

Yeah I think theotar is just bis for mythic +

It’s just more aoe damage right?

[spice spire]

Can be

Also depends on the dungeon but In general it’s definitely the soulbind I’d use for m+

[kind talon]

For sure sir

Draven / nadjia decent for outlaw

Theotar best for sin and sub

Iirc

[plain onyx]

good good, thanks guys

[spice spire]

Nadjia also good for sin, but needs some funky workings

Draven dog water tho

[oak sky]

@balmy condor upgrade obedience 262, craft obedience crit haste, or zoldyck 262 ??

[balmy condor]

Obedience upgrade

Then make the zoldyck later for when you swap necro in 9.1.5

[oak sky]

but i can make a new obedience with my useless soul ash

[balmy condor]

What is your current obed

Crit vers?

[oak sky]

yeah

i made it to fuck around with sub

[balmy condor]

Don’t recraft that Just for the haste

[oak sky]

idk

the alternative is to leave my soul ash around

[balmy condor]

I mean then make the zoldyck if you don’t wanna upgrade

[drifting imp]

9.1.5. when?

[oak sky]

i mean cinders could go to anything ig

i only have 262 db and dashing

[thick briar]

why necro in 9.1.5?

[frosty cedar]

I imagine is cause u can swap whenever u want so u can just swap for m+

[craggy ruin]

guys i have some questions, when i use MFD on pull i do use it with vanish to burst a lot then i use it on cd the best i can maybe trying to using with shiv as well but when i get my second vendetta the MFD will be 10 seconds on cd. What do i do in these occasions?

do i wait and then use it with vanish or i just use vanish with shiv and then mfd once i get it back

[oak sky]

The big thing with mfd is getting it in during flag

If you can get it during vanish thats great but just keep using it on cd and making sure its during flag

It should line up with vanish too almost always

[fallen arch]

Cos necro master race for m+

[pure walrus]

when you hit a dummy and vanish during your opener, meters reset. is there a way to fix in meters to not count vanish reset on dps? (i use details)

[quasi grotto]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[dusty garden]

do we still open with mutilate with dashing?

[thorny pond]

Mut SnD Mut

[dusty garden]

wouldnt ambush just be more damage?

[thorny pond]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[dusty garden]

feels unlikely that increased poison application would outweigh the damage difference, but i assume someone has done the math

[thorny pond]

Indeed, that’s why it is a pin. But also the extra CO generation especially because you’re gonna be high crit for dashing frost is worth too

[dusty garden]

yeah, but if you are playing ep/vigor and open with ambush you will get 2/3 CP which is enough for slice, so any CP above that will be wasted

[thorny pond]

Then just sim yourself with it man. We did this exercise a while ago and the math never came out ahead for ambush but it’s so inconsequential for that 1 gcd it hardly matters

[plain onyx]

does Winds of winter also apply in M+ or only in raids ?

[thorny pond]

Sets only in raids/maw

The individual gems work everywhere

[pliant osprey]

Recently switched to assassination, do I craft zoldryck or obedience as my leggo? Doing mostly world content and a bit m+

[plain onyx]

Obedience = M+ / Dashing Scoundrel = Raids.. any leggo with Crit/Haste missives (if you're not re-speccing other than assassination). Sim your self to be sure or check #assassination-faq

[limpid quest]

Hi Im coming back to assasin wanted to know if frost or unholy is best way to go for shards?

[dense hamlet]

frost

[limpid quest]

ty

open rotation from stealth... Mut/SnD/Mut Garrote... rupture/flag vendetta, shiv vanish mut 5+ envenom sound right?

songle target raid

[limber lion]

Flag before rupture, otherwise it's fine

[limpid quest]

what does mfd stand for reading pins

tx ceverion

[dense hamlet]

marked for death

talent

[limpid quest]

best to open with trinket fusion or relic of the waste

[dense hamlet]

fusion i would assume ? look what the sim does

[kind talon]

use fusion with flag

and relic after

:)

[limpid quest]

will do many thanks

[kind talon]

👍

[limpid quest]

the Vial trinket still in top two trinkets , even tho wow has fusion and relic as top two?

I don't have Vial yet but wondering if worth seeking

Phial of purification I mean

[pure moth]

Definitely worth it to try getting

[quasi ledge]

If you're talking about Wowhead then i'm pretty sure it has 2 lists, one from the raid and one from M+. That's why it shows Relic as trinket #2. It's pretty misleading tbh
Phial shits over relic though, 100% worth farming

[limpid quest]

thanks for advice

hava a great day on it

[sonic schooner]

sbs snd best opener 😔

[dim mural]

better to play a stat OH over edge (same ilvl) on sylvanas mythic?

[balmy condor]

No

[timid cloud]

🍷 Only opener I need. 🍷

[timber pawn]

When simming Titanic Ocular Gland what % of time is most common to use for mythic SoD

health above 50% time that is

[steel ridge]

guys, shadowstep at nerzhul... is there a secret?

i mean, how do i step to a target if everyone is flying away from me

[slow marsh]

80% - 90%

[timber pawn]

Ty @slow marsh

[balmy condor]

I never go under 95 tbh

I’ve had one pull on prog with it on that was a 92, and that was like a 40 second pull

Koji said he’s consistently between 97 and 98%

[slow marsh]

Yeah I generally stay above 95 too. Only time you should be dipping is raid dam stuff which you should have drs and big raid heals going out soon after anyways

Also we have some of the best healing as a spec with frost + vial and if you are feinting the big stuff then it's ezpz to get real close to 100% uptime

[drifting cloud]

then why do you say 80-90 😂

[slow marsh]

Because if you have to ask you prolly aren't playing the class optimally so it'll be around that for them

[drifting cloud]

ah yes you have to try real hard to play around the trinket

like .. not standing in fire

and stuff I guess

its literally easier to have 100% uptime on it than it being below like 90

[fallen arch]

Oh that’s what you do with fire..

[kind talon]

wtf

[drifting cloud]

lowest I found in my logs from looking at like 20 of them was 97.5% ..

there was also like 4 100%

[slow marsh]

Sick then 97.5% @timber pawn sorry not 80-90

[timber pawn]

@slow marsh ok thx!

[drifting cloud]

even the frost absorb doesnt get broken half the time

[thorny pond]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[quasi grotto]

looking for WA that makes a sound when shic and MFD is off cd if anyone could help please

or if anyone could explain to me how to add a sound within a weak aura

[dim mural]

try actions -> play sound

[quasi grotto]

TY

[timid cloud]

You target the other bomb target while facing the outside of the ring. The moment you get dispelled you need to shadow step to them. If you are too close to the edge it’ll give you an error which is basically because you were thrown off the edge into the oblivion.

Because there’s no “path” back onto the platform.

So stay close to the other bomb target & shadowstep to them. Worse case scenario you might need to cloak if the puddle is under you.

[lavish lichen]

If you stand RIGHT on the edge you are fucking yourself

Stand a bit inside

[timid cloud]

You can also avoid getting knocked back in the very last second of being sent out, but it’s very hit or miss.

[lavish lichen]

That’s just rng

[timid cloud]

With cloak of shadows*

Yeah.

[lavish lichen]

Ohh

No I mean sometimes you arent the one that gets knocked back

Just dont stand on the edge

[timid cloud]

Well I’m saying regardless of getting bombed or not.

You can avoid getting knocked only sometimes by hitting cloak.

[lavish lichen]

You mean because of the 1 second true immunity?

Its not rng its timing

[timid cloud]

The RNG is the person dispelling.

Cause sometimes people cancel their casts.

[lavish lichen]

That’s like saying step is rng lol

Its not

[timid cloud]

Of course.

Just human error can grief you, be it your own, or theirs.

[lavish lichen]

Right again, human error is not RNG

[steel ridge]

okay cause i get that error all the time... thats because i am to close to the edge?

[timid cloud]

Yes.

[steel ridge]

i tried stepping to boss, but sometimes the boss is to far aswell

tried stepping to a totem, but thats not reliable xD

[timid cloud]

It's sus unless you're uhhh pretty much the inner bomb guy.

I just do nearest target / bomb guy.

[oak sky]

I never really had trouble stepping to the boss but it sucks if your raid doesnt pull boss into melee every time i guess

[steel ridge]

its probably the edge thing

i am kinda doubting myself at this point, my reaction cant be that bad

[timid cloud]

Yeah. Cause the moment you're off you're pretty much doomed unless Goblin / Priest.

[steel ridge]

as soon as i am off the plattform?

[oak sky]

The times i died it was pretty much always being too close to the edge

Yeah you need to shadowstep before youre off the platform

[steel ridge]

ah okay

[oak sky]

Idk if ur doing this already but you can shadowstep every single set until p3 when the armor does a knockback too

[timid cloud]

Cause the game still needs a "Path" underneath you.

The conduit makes it nice too, if you have it maxed out.

[oak sky]

^

Conduit is really good

[steel ridge]

i have the conduit

[candid token]

Help, my guild is forcing me to go Assassination due to some Night Fae thing being super powerful, is there any truth to dis, have I been under a rock? ;-;

[subtle tundra]

0 truth

they're trolling you

[candid token]

Phew 😮‍💨

[subtle tundra]

also nf as rogue is kinda trolling

[candid token]

They said there was something they found today about a conduit interacting witha leggo

yeh I figured 0.o

[subtle tundra]

even if it were real, it would probably be *9.1.5

[candid token]

Good good, big thanks ^-^

[pure moth]

Could also screen shot the pinned message and show your guild.. its still not going to be ahead

[strange python]

Venthyr all the way for raiding varas

I am NL, but I only do m+ these days .

[kind talon]

NL is good for raid tho

[strange python]

But venthyr is not a bad choice for that either

[kind talon]

For sin specifically

Quite strong

[strange python]

Its not bad no, but vent is better

Same vice versa for m+

[kind talon]

They each have their better fights

[strange python]

NF though

[kind talon]

No

[strange python]

😆

That was a joke d000d

[kind talon]

What’s a joke

Lol

[strange python]

NF

[soft shale]

septic shock does work with shiv but its not super broken

so they are on heavy drip

[strange python]

Thank god I left them after last patch. Fucking faeries doing my head in.

[kind talon]

Septic shock

Fuck that ability

Could have been cool

[strange python]

Kektic shock

[soft shale]

its a conduit

but yea should have been the other way around

[kind talon]

Sepsis

But yeah

[soft shale]

making it do more dmg per tic

[kind talon]

Would have been cool if sepsis

[soft shale]

so the last 5 or 4 secs would be a big boom

[kind talon]

Gave MA window

[strange python]

KEKsis

[kind talon]

And have cto

For outlaw

[strange python]

I hate NL transmog for leather btw

I love Venthyr ones

[subtle tundra]

I'd say venthyr is better for m+ aswell 🙂

[strange python]

Nah

[subtle tundra]

Source?

[strange python]

Maybe tyranical

[subtle tundra]

Trust me bro

[strange python]

You can cleave 3 targets + conduit making it hit extra time nearly always

[subtle tundra]

yea youre trolling

[kind talon]

What is going on

[subtle tundra]

yea they're both really good, but in high m+ venthyr is better

[strange python]

Kekw

[kind talon]

Oh

Sudden fractures

Kekl

[strange python]

Kekw

[kind talon]

I was like wtf 3 target cleave r u on about

Realized u were talking about sbs like 2 minutes later

I’m smart

[strange python]

I was thinking about the leggo at the same time, but done use that. I meant hit ofc.

Dont*

It does a lot of dmg

[kind talon]

Deathspike?

[strange python]

Yeah so I said cleave but I meant hit....dont use the leggo

Its late

But yeah gonna go vent anyway. Very strong choice + great mogs and I love the venthyr as a whole.

[paper bridge]

Hello hello ! Is there some hidden advantage with Dashing ?
I'm siming the same amount of DPS with obedience but I see a lot of people using Dashing.
My sim :
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bbSMxnw1tSvxLX5psuSreH

[stray mural]

I mean the sim wouldn’t lie

Sim it with MFD

[oak sky]

its totally normal for them to be close

[strange python]

What is the optimal opener with flag (vent) actually? I havent been venthyr so far.

[oak sky]

with vigor: mut snd mut garrote flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish mut envenom mut

with mfd: mut snd mut garrote flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish mut envenom mfd envenom

[strange python]

Thanks

[snow skiff]

MFD

[clear shadow]

is it vanish mut envenom mut or is it vanish envenom mut envenom

@oak sky

[oak sky]

in opener it should be vanish mut envenom mut

its not a huge difference either way though

you just want to make sure its with vendetta and shiv

[clear shadow]

but wouldnt it be better to envenom mut envenom so u can get 2 envenom crits?

with master assassin

[oak sky]

generating combo points is really high value also

[clear shadow]

ok

[oak sky]

like I said its not a massive difference

but it was determined that generating is a little better from what I know

[lavish lichen]

Yea it is, you do mut env mfd env if you run that ofc

[clear shadow]

for what

with MA and MFD?

u just vanish envenom mut envenom mfd envenom and thats 3 evenoms in MA window

[oak sky]

that doesnt work

MA is 3 seconds

[balmy condor]

Env mut env is fine

Just vanish after the first env

And it’s the same thing

[lavish lichen]

That’s 4 gcds

[soft shale]

he plays the secret NF leggo in the future to have 4 gcds in MA

big brain

[shrewd helm]

do we still use shadowcore oil in mplus or sharp stones?

[balmy condor]

sharpening stones for sure

sharpening stones already are basically equal on single target

but oil in aoe is just not gud

[shrewd helm]

TY whisper

on point as always

[balmy condor]

[shrewd helm]

trying to get better at mplus

CT worth on ToP?

[oak sky]

ct always worth

[balmy condor]

CT every dungeon every week

[scenic sandal]

whats the optimal opener for necro assa right now?

[oak sky]

sbs snd mut garrote flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish mut envenom mut

[violet hollow]

Without flag tho 😀

[oak sky]

oh im dumb

sbs snd mut garrote rupture vendetta shiv vanish mut envenom mut

[cinder steppe]

9.2 double covenant ability HOPIUM

[oak sky]

yeah yeah yeah

[violet hollow]

That would be sick

[ornate dawn]

Why does raidbots always just yolo place dom sockets differently everytime it sims

[hollow river]

That’s just raidbots being weird.

Makes no real difference.

[ornate dawn]

Yeah I thought as much

[fathom flax]

whats the mfd opener @oak sky

ive gone up 300k damage on p1 sylv haha

[limber dagger]

with obed in m+ do i, even in aoe, envenom that target for the max buff or do i continute to spread my dots?

actually do i even have to spend CP against that specific target?

[subtle tundra]

not for dps purposes, but you want to target highest hp mobs

[limber dagger]

just so they live the full duration i guess?

[subtle tundra]

no, so you kill the highest hp mobs that will outlive the others and therefore speed up the key

[limber dagger]

well yea but i was more confused about how the flag buff stacks i guess

like should i spread dots, then flag a target and use finishers against said target or should i flag first and then spread my dots?

[subtle tundra]

flag asap

just before your first finisher

[limber dagger]

does the flag / obed buff stack even if i use finisher against different targets i didnt flag?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[quasi ledge]

You don't need to finish on your Flag target to get stacks, just press it and then it'll stack up as you spread Ruptures

[limber dagger]

ah, ty

thats awesome

btw i know its a stupid question but how is assa currently in higher m+? (as in 20-22+ keys)

i know our ST isnt too bad but like generally speaking, whats the reason to take an assa rogue, prio dmg? Tyran boss dmg?

[frosty bridge]

Assa is more than fine in that key level

You will probably always be top boss damage, depending on keys you can vendetta the tormentors and prio targets etc etc

Sin isn't bad on fortified either, the packs stay alive longer so your dots get to actually do damage

In most packs there are prio targets that you use vendetta and/or flag on etc

[limber dagger]

but generally our Aoe atm isnt too hot right?

[frosty bridge]

Sub is objectively better at most of that though, but Sin is more than fine, its quite good

[quasi ledge]

One of the main reasons I prefer Assass is because its consistent. Some classes AoE a massive pack for huge damage, then can't do shit for 2 mins, needs to be played around

[limber dagger]

Sub is also objectively more boring tho

[quasi ledge]

Assass you're just solid the entire run

[frosty bridge]

I think you mean subjectively :P

[limber dagger]

no i mean objectively

[frosty bridge]

But yeah, both as Necro and Venthyr you can blast keys as sin

[limber dagger]

venthyr was more ST and necro more AoE right'

[quasi ledge]

But as Losmi said, the high ST is useful for big mobs, tormentors and bosses. It's not all about AoE

[frosty bridge]

Kinda yeah, as Venthyr you also get to use Obe in keys which is quite neat

Especially with MfD and being able to snipe low mobs for resets

[limber dagger]

although i dont really understand why its so strong compared to other legendaries for m+

wait we are back to playing MfD?

[subtle tundra]

🧐 mfd?

[frosty bridge]

You can play Vigor as well

But Mfd will alow for more stacks for Flag

[subtle tundra]

actually, vigor is the normal and mfd is the weird one lol

[limber dagger]

mfd doesnt seem weird at all if you pair it with obedience

[quasi ledge]

Not as important in M+ where you can max combo with a FoK

[limber dagger]

That is true

[frosty bridge]

Both is perfectly viable

[limber dagger]

so standard would still be 2212223?

[frosty bridge]

I guess vigor is much smoother to play for most people which is fair

[limber dagger]

btw i have seen some people play master assasin in keys, what is that all about?

[frosty bridge]

Yeah

[subtle tundra]

wdym by "some people"

[quasi ledge]

I've been one of them

When I forgot to swap after raid

Feel like that is the majority of MA's :p

[subtle tundra]

subterfuge is just too good in m+

[quasi ledge]

Yup

[limber dagger]

figured

[subtle tundra]

and without it i'd be way too clunky to play

[frosty bridge]

That one idiot rujnning dashing scoundrel was me, forgot to switch legendaries

[quasi ledge]

Done that a lot, when both legendaries are cloaks ><

[limber dagger]

where can i read up on the venthyr opener for ST and AoE?

ah i just found the St one on wowhead

would i use the first CT after the initial opener and shiv window? 🤔

for ST*

[jade abyss]

Short question: when tyrannical is active like this week, is it ok to play well placed steel? Or is it better to play poisen katar trait?

[drifting cosmos]

hey guys, was wondering how do you rank 3% agi/3% dmg/3% vers increase?

[drifting cosmos]

well placed steel very good for st dmg which is much needed for bosses this week

[limber dagger]

anyone got an answer to that? :)

[frosty bridge]

Eh, you should 100% play WPS this week, and poisoned katar is barely anything tbh so you can run WPS on fortified too

[jade abyss]

Thanks very much guys

[spice spire]

Pending legendary used, yes. We don’t CT ST with dashing. Only Doomblade/Zoldyck’s afaik

[jade abyss]

Better question for me: is it worth to use ct on st with zoldyk before we hit the 30% hp?

[spice spire]

Probably

[terse talon]

What about CT in ST with Obe/mfd? is it outside shiv or not at all?

[jade abyss]

I talk about m+ with zoldyk outside the shiv window bcs i want to put so many envenoms possible in that window. But im only a 2k 10/10 hc plep :D

[loud trench]

What is the reasoning behind this. This is the first time I have ever heard that and seems like a pretty big change

[lavish lichen]

Its pretty simple

Just read the legendary

CT and Envenom use the same resources, combo points

So pressing CT comes at a greater cost when using that leggo

[limber dagger]

@lavish lichen

Do you perhabs have an answer to my question? 🤔

[lavish lichen]

When do you CT in st is your question?

Assuming non dashing

[limber dagger]

dashing?

[lavish lichen]

Legendary

Which one are you using

[limber dagger]

afaik i dont CT in shiv window

obedience

but im curios on the opener in ST

if i just CT after the first shiv window

[dense hamlet]

u use CT around ur 2nd garr if i remember

[spice spire]

You use CT after the shiv window is over in opener with obed

[limber dagger]

tyvm

i figured but i wasnt quite sure

[lavish lichen]

There you go was gonna do some research

[limber dagger]

i looked for an answer in the wowhead guide but wasnt able to find any

[dense hamlet]

maybe just run a quick sim and see what it does

[lavish lichen]

Yea that’s what I was gonna do lol

[limber dagger]

cant quick sim right now but good idea anyway lol

[spice spire]

Yeah sims will have it work outside of shiv windows iirc.
Even though it provides no active benefit (5%+ envenom with Doomblade, bleeds with Zoldyck) it’s still a slight gain, while dashing provides a neutral

[loud trench]

I think I would agree with that inside shiv windows and treating it as last priority on pure ST. But on a fight like M Fatescribe most CT uptime is 76-80ish% which means that CT is being cast outside of aoe for the dot plenty

I think the general rule of not casting CT inside a shiv window is correct ofc for pure ST but I would be hesitant to say not keeping the dot up when able outside those windows is gospel

[lavish lichen]

It’s only true for dashing

[loud trench]

The dot still hits pretty hard and 1 5point envenom vs a full 5 pt CT outside of a shiv window I would venture to guess is going to be a higher damage profile

[lavish lichen]

Its dps neutral to use CT on st

With dashing

Your feelycraft is wrong

[loud trench]

I don’t have the data to back it up for sure which is why it would be a guess and I’m not telling people gospel haha

[lavish lichen]

If you have no data to disprove a claim that has data to back it up then idek where to begin

[loud trench]

But if you have data to say that not keeping CT up with dashing during ST is a dps loss over funneling envenoms outside of shiv I would@love to see it

Other than read the tool tip

No I’m asking

[lavish lichen]

Yea check sims

[limber dagger]

werent we talking about obedience tho 👀

[lavish lichen]

For you use

Not for him he asked about dashibg

The reason it was implemented into sims as such

Is because it showed it was dps neutral

You are changing the words now

[loud trench]

Your saying the APL ignored CT when you plug it into sims for patchwork with dashing

[lavish lichen]

ITS DPS NEUTRAL

Idk how else to say it

[loud trench]

Then why are we having the conversation that not keeping CT up WITH dashing outside of shiv is a dps loss if you said “read the tooltip” Envenom>CT

[loud trench]

This

Is what we are discussing

Greater cost

Doesn’t mean it’s dps neautral

[lavish lichen]

It comes at a great costs than when yoy are NOT using dashing

Not at a greater cost than CT

[limber dagger]

smh my head

[lavish lichen]

When you are not using using dashing

You use CT in st

When you are using dashing the value of envenom is increased to be DPS NEUTRAL to using CT

Ofc blah blah blah outside shiv you know the drill

[gusty mirage]

It’s a dps loss to use CT in ST with dashing

Which I’ve noticed you’ve explained like 10 times already

What’s the debate about exactly? Dashing and CT ST?

[lavish lichen]

Its not

#tc-research message

Its neutral

They were saying that they think CT is a gain but have no data to support it lol

[lavish lichen]

Rightt yea it skips bc its dps neutral

No point in using

[wary pawn]

any rogue that killed sylv mythic can tell me where is best to use our cds? i have to use mine on the colossus in p2 tho...

[lavish lichen]

Its not a loss tho, well I guess if target dies before dot is over

[gusty mirage]

It’s a minimal gain outside of shiv without dashing, so how would it be neutral with dashing?

[lavish lichen]

So fair enough

[gusty mirage]

I mean I can look at it myself, but logically that doesn’t make sense

[hollow river]

Where your RL says to use them

[spice spire]

Ur a minimal gain outside of shiv

[gusty mirage]

I’m a huge loss my dude

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Also what doesn’t make sense?

[gusty mirage]

CT single target with dashing being neutral

[lavish lichen]

Oxi just wanna know if itMs neutral vs dps loss

We have established its not worth using already

[gusty mirage]

Ye, at face value it seems like it’d be a loss with dashing in ST

[spice spire]

I mean CT is a minimal gain even with like Zoldyck’s. The crit applies to envenom too. So idk - its definitely not worth using it’s either neutral or a loss

[gusty mirage]

Now I have some sim shenanigans to do while I’m at work

[lavish lichen]

Link me when you finish please

[gusty mirage]

Will do

[spice spire]

That’s just simming to be as right as humanly possible

[gusty mirage]

It’s interesting though

[spice spire]

No u

[gusty mirage]

Like seli said, you can’t spell toxic without oxi. Just missing the TC

[spice spire]

I also learned with current gear EP/Vig sims higher ST than BS/DS necrolord stonks

With my current gear*

[lavish lichen]

Yea I mean it’s fair, if I’m trying to help I’d like to be right about the specifics as well not just big picture stuff

[hollow river]

IMO when running CT on a fight like Soulrender you can CT ST during dance

[spice spire]

That’s to say Necrolord is actually garbage

[hollow river]

For a bit of extra dmg during the downtime

But idk

[gusty mirage]

Just get longer arms 4head

[spice spire]

True

[hollow river]

[lavish lichen]

That should be simmable as well i think

[spice spire]

Acrobatic strikes when

[lavish lichen]

How long is the dance?

[spice spire]

:30?

[lavish lichen]

You can add stun event maybe and see if its worth using CT