That’s basically what it is
#assassination
balmy condor
ebon notch
Could be worse
subtle tundra
its literally sometimes do more dmg cause you got lucky
ebon notch
We could have outlaw mastery
ebon notch
The only interesting part is where it triggered while you are evading attacks
balmy condor
Vers = Everything do more damage
Mastery = bleeds and poisons and envenom do more damage
Crit = everything do more damage
Haste = bleeds and poisons do more damage
oak sky
haste- auto more
balmy condor
And then people wonder why sin wants like every single stat
ebon notch
It's like a thornmail from league
subtle tundra
outlaw mastery could've been a build but they chose to just undertune everything around it
drowsy parcel
wow stats is the most boring shit
bring back multistrike
add cooldown reduction
and some other cool shit
ebon notch
Warriors have multistrike built in
drowsy parcel
separate mastery into two different stats
so everyone can focus on different builds
idunno wow stats are so generic and bland
ebon notch
@balmy condor why obed bad
oak sky
no different builds doesnt sound fun
oak sky
stats may be boring but at the end of the day everything makes you do more dam
balmy condor
Obed is good
ebon notch
No SIM says bad
balmy condor
No SIM says bad
Let me call my blizzard guy and tell him to un-nerf it from 1% vers per stack
subtle tundra
obedience literally the only fun legendary for assa
ebon notch
But you say good and SIM says bad but you write sim??!?!?
oak sky
none of them are fun
balmy condor
Remember when obedience was simming like shit and nobody cared and then turned into an 11% lego and got nerfed
oak sky
they all just do more dam
balmy condor
Fun times
subtle tundra
i mean... all leggos give you dam
oak sky
and thats it
subtle tundra
but atleast obe interacts with stuff
oak sky
idk
subtle tundra
as in you use more flag
oak sky
i dont see it as very different
subtle tundra
compared to doomblade,zoldyck etc
oak sky
most leggos dont seem to change much stuff
subtle tundra
there are specs that have fun ones
oak sky
maybe skb?
subtle tundra
the fire legendary which gives you crit dmg if you use arcane/fire/frost spells
thats fun
the one that gives combust
thats fun
oak sky
yeah
skb
thats the only one ive seen that actually looked really fun
on any class really
maybe the double lust leggo for arcane
balmy condor
I would rather they make a bunch of crazy legendaries and conduits and have some weird gameplay that’s a little more imbalanced than have boring things that are more balanced tbh
WW, venth boomy, all the externals
Not like we have balance anyway
alpine garden
What is.... FUn
balmy condor
Fucking idk, make a legendary that makes envenom consume rupture and garrote
3 Subt garrotes, rupture some stuff, CT
balmy condor
Envenom an inspiring mob
And BOOM
Like yeh the energy might be janky
But that’s something interesting
oak sky
garret 1 garret 2 garret 3
balmy condor
And hachadino could spend all expansion chasing a 1 mil envenom or something
oak sky
guess so
i remember some people going for winds crit cheese
raymuss?
havent seen him in a while
balmy condor
Add a legendary that adds a mini-Exsang effect for every bleed you put out
balmy condor
As you cast more bleeds, the bleeds you have are shorter duration
So as you get more and more aoe you gotta refresh more and more
That could be exciting
slim wagon
exciting? that sounds like nightmare. Melee affliction lock at it's worse
oak sky
agony agony agony agony seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed
oak sky
idk
balmy condor
oak sky
do you like exsang
as a "choice"
it needs to be good
to be a valuable addition
and if its good
people will run it
balmy condor
Personally don’t like Exsang because I think it’s too janky and reliant on borrowed power
But then like make a legendary that allows exsang to be used
uneven summit
bring back Nyalotha 80% haste rogue?
balmy condor
bring back Nyalotha 80% haste rogue?
120% haste isn’t enough to make it good
uneven summit
😂
balmy condor
I’m not kidding
I ran the numbers
You could cap on stats, 126% on everything, 900 item level
And it would still be bad
uneven summit
I know, it´s insane 😛
uneven summit
a class design where our top abilities aint winds of winter and melee you mean?
drowsy parcel
we sacrifice interesting design for balance
oak sky
i probably wouldnt
if it was my choice
rather have a bunch of good choices that rotate being strong
then you enjoy it even more when your favorite class is strong
although
balmy condor
I agree
oak sky
if the choice is between never being strong or having bad class design you take bad class design
as long as you get your turn class design is way more important
balmy condor
I think balancing should be frequent enough that each class has a niche or a strength
It s okay to be weak a patch or two
But something like feral
Always brings boss damage like crazy
oak sky
our turn has been since 9.0.5 and our design isnt very good
oak sky
its possible for tier sets to fix it i guess, or some other borrowed power, or any changes they do in 9.2
just have to wait and see
10.0 
slim wagon
I have no faith about a good redesign
oak sky
i would be happy to see some effort
not like sweeping changes
but we're one of those classes that has some issues with having special stuff
cobalt hemlock
this is some hypercopium stuff. but only way wow can get better at this point is when bobby sees that people are leaving and he is losing money because of that so he makes an investment in making the game better. or he will just make another 6 month sub mount
oak sky
it gets better when they decide to actually listen to the community
no matter what the cause is
slim wagon
honestly with all the changes going on it is possible we will see new things in the future. But it will take a long time
jaunty kayak
the latter is more likely tbh
plain onyx
but isnt 9.1.5 patch based on the community's demands ?
slim wagon
yeah, demands from beta
cobalt hemlock
i mean yes but then you also see women getting turned to fruit and also is very late
slim wagon
like 1.5 years late
oak sky
like yes they are community demands
but it doesnt matter unless it becomes a pattern
lets say on 9.2 ptr theres a ton of issues
slim wagon
and every qol update they make now they will delete it on next expansion
oak sky
and people mention them
and they get fixed
that could be a better indicator of a good direction
cobalt hemlock
yeah only way we can know blizz got better if there is a beta that has a problem people tell them that is a problem and they fix it before the release
lost wharf
It's a scheme they are doing for years. In Legion we had random drop legendarys. Everybody said, that it is a stupid idea, they should fix it. Later down the line they did it by introducing a vendor. In BfA they did it twice: Once with the armor and once with the corruptions. Both times the community told them it was a stupid idea to release it as is and they did it anyway. Both times they later introduced a vendor to address the issue (which could and should've been done day one). The swapping covenants issue is no different to any of those.
My guess is that they do it delibaretly. New content releases, everybody jumps on in and has the mentality "Sure, it has flaws, but at least I got new content." The fun dies down and ppl start unsubbing. Now you fix the problem you introduced yourself and sell it as content. Some people resub and try the changes that cost you very little in development. Overall making a good game takes way more time, money and effort than just making a decent game and that at a very little cost of playerbase. In the end it all comes down to cost/use values.
oak sky
i definitely think them doing it entirely deliberately is not true because it loses them money
thats not their goal
soft shale
i always though if wow was underfunded as f just introduce mtx
like skill effects and shit
big $$
who would not drop for old animations that we had
lost wharf
i definitely think them doing it entirely deliberately is not true because it lo...
Does it tho? The few people that look up stuff and ACTUALLY unsub far outweigh the amount of people that keep playing the game, because they might have not looked up the details of the new expansion. Those that then learn about the problems which were known since Beta, do so after having paid a couple sub-months already. Then some might quit, because they dislike those problems so much. However the question is: Wouldn't have a vast majority stopped playing regardless, because they are just not as invested and the content they wanted to play just "finished"? Some of those people you might get back if you introduce a patch like 9.1.5, because they might have something different to try now. I think in the long term they make more money by causing problems deliberately and later on fixing them.
oak sky
I mean
Making the game good makes money
People stick around when theres fun stuff to do
Its pretty ridiculous to plan around people quitting
The plan should be for people to not quit
lost wharf
Yea, it's not only about the money you make. It's also about the money you have to invest.
cobalt hemlock
i too dont think they do it on purpose they are just really incompetent
oak sky
And then have good patches for seasonal players and players who do end up quitting
I think its a combination of being incompetent, being misguided on whats good for the game, and potentially also higher leadership
lost wharf
i too dont think they do it on purpose they are just really incompetent
Adding vendors for legendarys in legion couldn't have been that hard. Same for vendors in bfa for the armor or the corruptions. "Pulling the ripcord" was possible from day one, at least that's what Ion implies. They CHOSE not to do it, it's not that they couldn't.
oak sky
This is what I think is the biggest problem
They have a different idea than players of whats right for the game
Flexibility vs narrative toughness and "meaningful choice"
We don't know if thats ion, or overarching leadership telling the dev team what to do
lost wharf
It's a common problem every company has. The engineers/developers usually try to deliver the best product. The company itself just wants to make money tho, so you cut down on some features to have a bigger profit.
oak sky
Its hard to say if anything will change or has change
We just have to wait and see what direction the game takes
lost wharf
cobalt hemlock
hopium is only thing we have
soft shale
i mean if they want money they could go full mtx power and not many people would care
lost wharf
It's not hard to see at all. I've seen it myself from Legion to now. I have no reason to believe it's gonna change. I just haven't looked up if they did similiar things in WoD or the addons before. Overall you have to either take it as it is or quit.
soft shale
it has happened before but not like it mattered as much
im still in awe they implemented a quest limit took it off then implemented again
lost wharf
i mean if they want money they could go full mtx power and not many people would...
Idk if you don't kill too much of your playerbase with it, by forcing too much PC power. Also Idk if the servers can handle it that well.
soft shale
mtx is like making it sound different or have a glowy animation
remember rank 4 essences
btw i never got rocky boi
sadge
lost wharf
I'm not versed in that topic enough to make a good assumption if it is as easy as you make it sound.
soft shale
depends on how they go about it but imagine you could have your vanish put out color smoke or vendetta have the cool knives hitting again even if it does nothing
those kind of things you can monetize and not many people would care
lost wharf
Oh like: You want them to make "skins" for skills and just sell them like mounts?
soft shale
yes super non intrusive and would still make bank
you dont even need to create many new ones with all the old ones in the bin
then build from there
or super easy things like with mdi and AWC team flags or tabards
cloud reef
My guess is that they do it delibaretly. New content releases, everybody jumps o...
weird take
lost wharf
weird take
It's just my guess. The scheme they are doing is visible and I doubt a multimillion dollar company is so incompetent and the scheme just appears out of pure coincidence. I do strongly believe there is a reason.
cloud reef
I think they are just stupid
lost wharf
yes super non intrusive and would still make bank
Maybe. It's still not as effective as mounts. You'd have to make fancy skills for each and every class (probably spec) and only have customers of said class. You can sell mounts to everybody and you don't have as much individual work with it.
cloud reef
They would make way more money releasing it in a player friendly manner and then they can spend more resource on developing the game. Rather than spending all dev time back tracking on systems
soft shale
making mtx is super cheap on the side the probleem is they dont care about monetizing furtheeer then cry no money and underfund expansions for more than 10 years already
hushed timber
Anyone here that plays dashing scoundrel / sims bis with it can link their sim?
lost wharf
They would make way more money releasing it in a player friendly manner and then...
That is exactly what I doubt. They make money from subscriptions and ppl buying the expansions. Most ppl will buy the expansion anyway (just to try it out at least), so the main factor to make money is subs. To keep people playing you need to keep releasing new content. Making raids/dungeons or new systems (covenants, legendarys, etc.) takes a huge amount of time. But if you have a good system, cut out something (like swapping covenants) and then later introducing the solution for your self made problem, that way you have more content over a longer period of time, thus getting back subs.
cloud reef
What makes more money continuous subs or subs that quit and return?!
balmy condor
Anyone here that plays dashing scoundrel / sims bis with it can link their sim?
What info would a bis sim give you
lost wharf
What makes more money continuous subs or subs that quit and return?!
You won't have contious subs either way. Ppl will still get bored, even with a perfect system. Else nobody would ever quit at the end of the expansion when all systems are in their final form.
hushed timber
What info would a bis sim give you
some indication of gear / stat / conduit etc distribution?
balmy condor
That doesn’t seem very useful
cloud reef
But people get bored because theres no content because they are spending all their time fixing systems, idk think its a weird take that makes no sense personally
lost wharf
That doesn’t seem very useful
I think he is looking for direction
balmy condor
Frost set likes crit, haste after
Conduits depend on covenant and rank, would need to sim
Legendaries depend on covenant, would need to sim
Breakpoints don’t exist
Would need to sim
Basics can be found in #assassination-faq
Or using these
hushed timber
There's no way to sim a different covenant?
balmy condor
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
There's no way to sim a different covenant?
Top gear, unlock all soulbinds
lost wharf
But people get bored because theres no content because they are spending all the...
As I said: Making content keeps players in the game. However it's also the most time and money consuming thing. It's about min-maxing your profits.
uneven hamlet
As I said: Making content keeps players in the game. However it's also the most ...
They min maxed to the point they don't have a team big enough to make a good game in time lol
lost wharf
Exactly. Expenses for workers are usually the biggest part of any company expenses. You shave of quality and go up in delivery time, but you safe so much money you gain more profit in the end.
uneven hamlet
Blizz is hoping 9.1.5 to have a impact on ff launch, it 100% won't, there's no way it will be a head to head thing
cobalt hemlock
preety sure even 9.2 patch (with everything from 9.1.5) with a new raid dungeons and location still woudnt go head to head with FF launch
hollow yoke
Sorry in advance if this has already been asked ... but which legendary do you fellow rogues propose i craft first ? doing mostly dungeons, but looking to hop on the occasional raid (btw venthyr). Thank you !
cobalt hemlock
if you are venthyr dashing is good with the frost set doomblade is never going to be bad but its not optimal and zoldick is best for dungons
glass tulip
if you are not focusing on raid I would go for either Obedience or Zoldyck's
both good choices in M+, Obedience is more flexible for the occasional raid though
cobalt hemlock
beware you need to have 48 renown with the venthyr to get obedience
spice spire
Yeah, obedience is definitely the grab for venthyr dungeons
shrewd helm
Yeah, obedience is definitely the grab for venthyr dungeons
Obidience over Zoldyk for mplus?
cobalt hemlock
preety sure zoldyck is better for mplus that obedience but you could just sim it
spice spire
For venthyr, I’d say so. It does come down to a play style preference. But obedience offers both ST and some aoe stonks, while Zoldyck’s is lacking in ST, but is an aoe execute for gamers
Well it’s execute even in ST, but 30% in ST seems lacking
shrewd helm
I don’t push a lot of keys and mostly just do 15-17 range keys and trying to figure out which leggo to focus on
fallen arch
Zoldyck gains in higher keys
spice spire
Also depends on group and who you push with
fallen arch
In 15s shit gets obliterated so fast now
spice spire
Im relegated to funnel and ST most weeks
Yeah in 15-17 obedience is totally the play because everything gets thanos snapped
shrewd helm
Gotcha. I swapped back to rogue midway through this tier so catching up on leggos and dom shards has been a pain.
bleak sky
In 15s shit gets obliterated so fast now
even in higher keys it feels like mobs just evaporate
shrewd helm
Currently have 264 dashing and 235 obedience/celerity with 210 MA and Zoldyk
gusty mirage
Im relegated to funnel and ST most weeks
“Funnel”
gusty mirage
Spamming fok 2-3 times for 1 envenom. FAT funneling
gusty mirage
Just mutilate at that point breh
gusty mirage
Try one BUDDY
Bullshit
bleak sky
cashing in on that fat poisoned katar
gusty mirage
I ran 47% crit for break the meta and only had a handful of 4-5cp foks
Who you lying to? 
fallen arch
feels good tho
spice spire
42% is all I need king
fallen arch
if it happens
spice spire
fallen arch
full cp fok
gusty mirage
42% is all I need king
This man straight huffing copium
spice spire
Nah homie
gusty mirage
spice spire
Just built diffly ig
gusty mirage
Just built diffly ig
spice spire
Sin io check king
spice spire
gusty mirage
But I’ll entertain you
gusty mirage
<:noot:839510665361489961>
spice spire
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
Ye I run sin on top always
gusty mirage
Yeah you love trolling my monk’s 17 top too
Thank you for coming and blasting tho. Ily 
spice spire
Was that a 17?
gusty mirage
Maybe?
spice spire
I thought it was a 15 
strange python
can you get dagger in vault more than once ?
gusty mirage
can you get dagger in vault more than once ?
Like multiples in the same vault?
strange python
no i mean i got dagger this week can i get it next week as well
violet hollow
sure
strange python
nice
gusty mirage
Yeah you can get it every week technically
strange python
the heroic reclears continue. road to second sylvanas dagger
gusty mirage
If it makes you feel better I reclear every week and haven’t gotten my first heroic edge
strange python
i know how u feel
7 weeks in a row sylvanas kills and at least 2 heroic rewards and i only got it yesterday
gusty mirage
It does exist 
strange python
double heroic edge beats 252 mainhand also i suppose
bleak sky
hey, at least you have one
strange python
cause for me it doesnt beat 246 and 233
halcyon zealot
that’s how i feel with a 252 dagger, i’ve had a 2 or 3 choice m+ vault the entire patch, and killed remnant i think 4 times before we extended
still no 252 dagger
bleak sky
double heroic edge beats 252 mainhand also i suppose
you can sim it though
strange python
with gear compare ?
halcyon zealot
gonna get CE before 252 mh at this rate
gusty mirage
still no 252 dagger
No 252s at all? 
halcyon zealot
not a single one, i have the soulrender wep, so i have better outlaw weps than assa rofl
gusty mirage
This game is actually toxic, holy shit
bleak sky
with gear compare ?
gear compare, droptimizer, putting another heroic dagger in your simc string
gusty mirage
@halcyon zealot 
drifting cosmos
no bonus roll sucks
gusty mirage
I gifted the dagger over ethically
spice spire
violet hollow
dagger is a myth
gusty mirage
how
spice spire
R5 uh
harsh lantern
why not both
spice spire
75 off r5 
gusty mirage
I’m 131 off r5 blood. Don’t feel bad
spice spire
spice spire
True
arctic walrus
R4 blood this week. About to abandon you <@226508540746006528>
Woah nice 100k honor what a grind
gusty mirage
Woah nice 100k honor what a grind
gusty mirage
Still better than conflict and strife grind
harsh lantern
135 painsmith pulls and counting tonight we go agane 
harsh lantern
We are p3 boys just not enough alive
halcyon zealot
i can’t wait to re prog that boss once sylv dies
gusty mirage
We are p3 boys just not enough alive
Yeah it’s as good as dead then
Just will take 1 good pull with most of everyone alive
gusty mirage
i can’t wait to re prog that boss once sylv dies
Have you guys done it since the spike nerf?
halcyon zealot
yeah we killed it the week that went live
we just started sylv last night so it’ll be a minute lol
harsh lantern
almost 😅
tonight is the night for sure
now I sit at work and think about doing the same two ball patterns for 3 hours
hollow river
I’m 70 embers from r5 blood 🙃
Oxi save me from Sylvanas prison pls
We’ve got chains dying quickly reliably now
Just need people to stop standing in bad
hollow river
How many pulls/how far in prog are you?
We’ve gotten everyone but 1 person into p2 twice
gusty mirage
95 pulls. Had our best p2 shenanigans last night
hollow river
Nice nice
hollow river
Yeah same
We’re ~115 in already
~80 of which was just optimizing comp and chain damage
tribal mauve
~80 of which was just optimizing comp and chain damage
same here 
final sky
quick question, for my opener in raid should it be
stealth > sbs > snd > garrote > mut > rupture
clever kindle
I normally Stealth -> Mut -> SnD -> Garrote -> SBS -> Rupture I think
subtle tundra
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
sour wraith
stealth > sbs > snd > garrote > mut > rupture
you would want to swap the mut and garrote so you benefit from master assassin on the mut if you open like that
assuming you're using the talent ofc
final sky
yeah i am, thanks :D
fallen arch
I normally Stealth -> Mut -> SnD -> Garrote -> SBS -> Rupture I think
For necro it would be sbs-snd-mut-garr-rup-shiv-venedetta-vanish-mut-envenom
plain onyx
Is this a good build for M+ or should I switch Poisoned Katar for Well-Placed Steel or **Lethal Poison **for Well-Placed Steel ? Especially on Tyrannical weeks.
fallen arch
Nah conduits are super whatever as long as you use lashing scars
But you can sim the difference for dslice just to be sure
plain onyx
got it, thanks ❤️
subtle tundra
i like playing wasteland propriety on tyrannical weeks
#1 assa m+ rogue plays refined palate i think
like...
its very much whatever
with lashing scars and lethal poisons as the two conduits
plain onyx
yeah Zerocool .. he plays poisoned katar as well
fallen arch
He also plays dashing in keys
Which is suboptimal in most keys
Looking at top logs is fine but they have optimized for their specific comp and strat, might not be best for your weekly no leaver pug
spice spire
Yeah - like I always say, you’re going to fit the role of your comp. he probably runs dashing to push ST and funnel. If you’re needed for aoe damage, you’re going to run something different. It’s all about understanding not just your role, but everyone’s role in the key
gloomy stone
Does someone have a link to Infexious‘s weakauras?
spice spire
stray mural
Is this a good build for M+ or should I switch **Poisoned Katar** for **Well-Pla...
Imho, always go Covenant + WPS. You don’t need Katar to do well. You’re not there to do massive pack damage, you’re there to do priority/boss damage. Double down on single target, this includes anima powers.
Edit: but always take Crimson Tempest as a talent because it does a crazy amount of DoT.
pure moth
Does someone have a link to Infexious‘s weakauras?
!wa these are the only good ones
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
violet jackal
doesn't cev also have a good one
hollow river
I think he uses one of the packs that’s linked here, but modified some. Iirc
soft shale
cev went into the sunset
gloomy stone
I want a WA that lets me keep my UI and only adds bleed timers
hollow river
Look up “the red rogue” on wago
Or theredrogue pandemic timers
It’s progress bars for bleeds on your current target
gloomy stone
Will do thanks
hollow river
Either that or get a Plater profile
quasi grotto
Is there a WA for MFD
Cant seem to find one, or maybe it's time to change my WA s 😫
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
upbeat needle
It's Devlin's group
upbeat needle
np
can also take the individual weakaura out the pack if you wanted
copy it and delete everything else
quasi grotto
Does that show the seconds of CDs?
quasi grotto
Cause I track my vend by just looking at the greyed out bar 😂
I wrote that wrong. Does it show the seconds left until off CD
That makes more sense. Been a long week
Package deal group of 5 bailed on raid team on first day of sylv prog cause of girl drama in the guild 😫
balmy condor
And that’s why package deals are bad
upbeat needle
If one gets sat all of a sudden they all don't wanna raid, then you lose a mass of ppl
quasi grotto
Yupppp, so now we're desperately hunting the playerless base for some new trials
quasi grotto
M
harsh lantern
I’m otw
quasi grotto
Discussed lastnighta second rogue would be good
quasi grotto
Dm me your logs etc. Gotta go make a tea quick
upbeat needle
bet
quasi grotto
And that’s why package deals are bad
Yeppp, also was warned that females tend to cause shit storms too by a friend who got me into the game couple years ago
And this was over a girl. God dam gamer dudes
upbeat needle
You gotta think
some of the people who play this game have like
zero outside life
so they do real weird shit like that
quasi grotto
Yeah man was super odd
Shame was good players. But following women online is super creepy 😂
pure moth
I have stories about that.... but not suitable for this discord. Lol
quasi grotto
Can only imagine
timid cloud
Orbiters 🤢
plain onyx
tyrannical, necrotic & spiteful ??? hell no!!
shrewd helm
Package deal group of 5 bailed on raid team on first day of sylv prog cause of g...
Rip. We did a guild merger about 2 months ago. The only person who rage left was our warrior tank because they benched him and told him he could dps if he wanted too.
Luckily everyone has been rotating in and out pretty evenly so most that I know aren’t getting upset.
nimble tartan
Package deal group of 5 bailed on raid team on first day of sylv prog cause of g...
never take a package deal
subtle tundra
tyrannical, necrotic & spiteful ??? hell no!!
actually decent week 🙂
full dune
hey this might be a noob question but is wind of winter rly good rng dependent ??? cuz i have 44% crit (1192) 19% haste (625) 9% vers (361) and 0 mastery 248 ilvl 1645 agility with flask and with food buff if it matters but i feel something is off like it rarely goes over 77k on crit's and i have all 3 rank 5 frost shards and i play venthyr. The stats i got are what raidbots suggested. Asking this cuz other rogue in raid team has like 150 less crit then me but has close to 300 or something mastery under 200 vers and 750 haste and playing necrolord and his winds of winter highest crit was 112k
violet jackal
RNG and min-max dependant is how i would describe it
lavish lichen
You cant look at winds of winter crits like that tho
shrewd helm
hey this might be a noob question but is wind of winter rly good rng dependent ?...
Are you tracking the buff timer?
full dune
You cant look at winds of winter crits like that tho
i know i can't look at it like that still with 44% crit not getting that many envenom crit's kinda sad
lavish lichen
Necro lord has gemstone as well
Its just not good to compare things like that on different covenants
Like yes sure he has more windows of winter crits but you also have flag and he doesn’t
oak sky
there isnt really a need to track the buff timer but its alright if you like looking at it
full dune
Are you tracking the buff timer?
i am tracking it yes
sry for answering slow progressing painsmith 😛
oak sky
you might also have a higher average than the other guy
shrewd helm
That fight has been a chore. We have - 23% wipe with 86 pulls so far.
full dune
yeah feel like in my burst it should be the highest crit yet it only goes up to 77k
oak sky
dunno
it could be gemstone + bonespike is another dot that can crit
and if he sims higher than you he could also be getting a better max
and he couldve just had a good buildup in opener or during lust and it crit, but you didnt get crits after good windows
theres any number of things it could be
full dune
yeah never had any luck with rng builds haha but cheers for the input
hollow river
RNG and min-max dependant is how i would describe it
gusty mirage
I found a neat bug on sylv last night
I was still building thrill seeker stacks after a p2 pull
and procced it on pull
no idea how to recreate it
gusty mirage
LMAO
arctic hare
and procced it on pull
Ooooooooh, this seems convenient
hollow river
And still casted spells
violet jackal
.1% increased dps every other pull?
hollow river
She fucking disappeared dude
gusty mirage
yeah we had something similar
except she was on the pillar
well kinda in the pillar
hollow river
Was such a fire pull too
gusty mirage
half in the pillar half on the platform
gusty mirage
.1% increased dps every other pull?
idk it was also the pull I managed a 117k frost crit
game's busted
gusty mirage
3 more hours of sylvie tn
hope yall blast through p1 and get some solid p2 prog
hollow river
OOF
gusty mirage
we're done for the week
hollow river
Bro if we don’t at least pass the p2 burn
gusty mirage
now I just do a full heroic sale and get r4 blood
hollow river
I’m gonna be very disappointed
gusty mirage
hollow river
now I just do a full heroic sale and get r4 blood
I wanna come ):
gusty mirage
sign up for huokan and trade me the KT shoulders so I can stop using the 239 tarra ones
hollow river
I can’t get into huokan I don’t think
gusty mirage
why not?
gusty mirage
below 90?
gusty mirage
do you have at least a 90 on the ones that give you all star points?
gusty mirage
damn so close
hollow river
I’ll get there
Just need time to grind pugs
My guild stopped doing heroics ages ago
We might do one this week to gear ww and a hpal
Should be able to decimate the meters if we do
quasi grotto
anyone got a name plate profile WA
gusty mirage
you're better off just using plater
quasi grotto
why the fuck didnt i save my WAs before deleting all
hollow river
Ye get plater
quasi grotto
havent fiddled with my WAs for like 2 years
decided to switch it up cause didnt include MFD lol
what a mistake
gusty mirage
and using either: Cev's https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr or Whispyr's https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi
quasi grotto
is it ust palter profile
gusty mirage
ye
quasi grotto
shows bleed etc on current target to the side
and has a little overlay of bleeds on other targets?
dunnno why the heck i deleted that. was not intentional
ebon notch
@balmy condor stream when
ebon notch
no stream? 
balmy condor
regular raid
ebon notch
arctic hare
lol
gusty mirage
regular raid <:SAD:718207731185745922>
stream, or else 
arctic hare
Whispyr has more power than the threat proposed by the insignificant Pepe
ebon notch
we make fun of the meatheads another time
balmy condor
fury yeh?
ebon notch
arms
oak sky
@balmy condor you reclearing the whole rest of the week?
balmy condor
yeh
drifting cloud
reclearing as 2day? pain
balmy condor
yeh
shrewd helm
For fights like soulrender do you kee CT up for st as well?
shrewd helm
I am running dashing
shrewd helm
otherwise yes
Ty
alpine latch
Anyone remember how to get the Mad Duke's Tea for Party Favors?
I just realized I don't have this on my Alliance rogue
And Theotar isn't giving it to me
WowHead was quite unhelpful
oak sky
maybe you dont have the soulbind activated
brazen zodiac
You talk to theo to get the tea itself
Then it'll always be in your bag regardless
Oh I didn't read all ur stuff
That's gigaweird wtf
I remember when I didn't realize that it'd go on cd if I used it when soulbound with nidjia lmfao
hollow river
soaking fate tank adds is so troll
violet jackal
you have to pump that medium performance AVERAGE to get into huokan
gusty mirage
you have to pump that medium performance AVERAGE to get into huokan
do you?
violet jackal
yes
violet jackal
maybe you got in early, but they were super strict when I was applying
gusty mirage
I applied like 3 weeks ago
I was doing keys for longer
maybe its because I was already a m+ booster?
violet jackal
oh ignore me they changed the requirements
gusty mirage
yea cuz I wasn't eligible prior to getting my KT above a 90
or one of the earlier ones
idk if it counts fights that don't have all star points
cuz my tarra was an 86
hollow river
yeah my buddy that works for huokan told me it was 95+ best avg
i think they lowered it because they're losing people
violet jackal
It definitely was average before tho because I was at 95+ on best performce for the longest but was getting denied
gusty mirage
it also makes sense that earlier in the tier it would have stricter requirements
hollow river
true^
gusty mirage
now that peeps are walking around with 249-250 average ilvl you can lessen the requirements more
cuz iirc they do 10 carries per boost minimum
violet jackal
8 most of the time depends who is lead that night
violet jackal
They won't take me anymore they want funnelers only, and I only have 1 character 
gusty mirage
I always have to specify that I can trade everything except for KT shoulders
hollow river
why can't you funnel?
violet jackal
my guild raids tuesday, so i'm locked by the time any sale runs go
hollow river
I always have to specify that I can trade everything except for KT shoulders <:L...
30 embers to r5 blood
violet jackal
my home guild hasn't killed syvannas still. I had her killed and farmed since week 3
gusty mirage
30 embers to r5 blood
I'm 31 away from r4
ebon notch
I always have to specify that I can trade everything except for KT shoulders <:L...
just get m+ shoulders and upgrade them
violet jackal
you can hold in bag 
brazen zodiac
im using obedience
arctic walrus
would you like to reread his question
ebon notch
unless for some reason you're like out of range and its the only finisher you can get off
uh
never cast CT on single target
that was the question right
brazen zodiac
okie dokie
ebon notch
@arctic walrus right?
brazen zodiac
well u mentioned dashing but i said obeidence but
its ok thank u for answering i get it
ebon notch
no im just
brazen zodiac
doin mythic pog
ebon notch
dumb
brazen zodiac
ur fine brother
ebon notch
lemme check with the higher powers
brazen zodiac
:D
brazen zodiac
ah
so apply as rupture
dude i feel like i got no energy
my sims so weird
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i8wFYh9koTgewRnZTBJA2b
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sqNM8vTuuBqG3yJaMxkCqf
just give me my poison bomb :(
ebon notch
you do it when you have no pandemic refreshes and not in shiv i believe
been a while since i wasnt running dashing
upbeat needle
y'all takin CT on M Fatescribe or naw ?
oak sky
you just maintain ct in a situation when you would envenom outside shiv
its only with dashing that you dont
ebon notch
y'all takin CT on M Fatescribe or naw ?
ye pad them adds
brazen zodiac
okiedokie
@oak sky can i get away with casting ct with like 3 combo points or any bleed for that manner when refreshing/applying
hollow river
does anyone know if you can make a max level toon on PTR? without having to make a copy of an existing toon
brazen zodiac
hey agreon if i link a sim can i get ur input
hollow river
low cp rupture on something with little TTD*
brazen zodiac
feels like im unable to press all the shit in one go but meh
im also at 42% crit and my WoW is always like 3rd damage so idk whats up
oak sky
wdym
hollow river
winds of winter
hollow river
o
oak sky
like you cant get everything done or you dont know what to do or what
i cant view the fight timers or whatever that it shows if thats what you mean
oak sky
just don't think about it
oak sky
like theres no need to worry about the envenom buff
it exists, but if you pool properly it kinda maintains itself
brazen zodiac
so just keep ct up basically
oak sky
you keep ct up outside shiv
brazen zodiac
ahhh ok
oak sky
unless you have something more important to do
brazen zodiac
yeah i def
oak sky
like a rupture, casting shiv, garrote
oak sky
pooling isnt the most important thing ever
brazen zodiac
im def like
oak sky
but it helps with uptimes
brazen zodiac
starved or hardstuck at
oak sky
?
brazen zodiac
yeah
oak sky
idk you just get less envenoms when you play ct
and thats fine since outside shiv maintaining ct does more damage than envenom
brazen zodiac
ahhh ok
so its normal to get like one or two casts during shiv window then like one outside?
brazen zodiac
okie dokie
dusky valve
new to rogue and found the wowhead guides a little confusing. for m+ we wanna be using the zoldycks insignia?
bleak sky
new to rogue and found the wowhead guides a little confusing. for m+ we wanna be...
zoldycks / obedience are valid choices
(if you're venthyr)
some people run dashing but they seem to have a comp that makes dashing worth it
dusky valve
zoldycks / obedience are valid choices
im necro. does dashing scoundrel work in m+? id much rather just make that than zoldycks
bleak sky
Whispyr is gonna yell at me for saying things about dashing
bleak sky
im necro. does dashing scoundrel work in m+? id much rather just make that than ...
the people running dashing are the ones doing 25,26 keys so idk
spice spire
im necro. does dashing scoundrel work in m+? id much rather just make that than ...
unless you have a group set in stone, I'd advice against running it
those running dashing/doomblade do it because they have a role in their group
zoldyck's/obedience is the very generic, will do some ST, but prioritizes aoe which is needed for a majority of keys until about 22s
echo geyser
ppl play dashing in keys?
balmy condor
one person does
echo geyser
are u sure hes not just logged out in raid shit
balmy condor
and he happens to be top of the io jerk circle
echo geyser
balmy condor
no no, he actually runs it
echo geyser
brazen zodiac
obedidence feels nice tbh
echo geyser
whats his name
oak sky
idr
echo geyser
zoldycks / obedience seems top picks tho no?
spice spire
I run doomblade in keys, but I've PROFUSELY told people it's not the play 99% of the time
balmy condor
shallt not be named
echo geyser
if u want ST / prio dmg obed
spice spire
yes ramfam
oak sky
bruh me and dekaf were watching your stream one time ramfam
and he got into an argument with some dude about using ct in single target
echo geyser
dusky valve
so what im reading is dashing is a no no in m+
spice spire
correct
unless you have proper comp and plan ahead, dashing is not a legendary I'd run
dusky valve
zoldyck it is then
echo geyser
📈 regen to the moon
oak sky
i think obedience is just better than dashing if you want st though
spice spire
Scaling in my christian sin chat?
oak sky
in keys
spice spire
disgusting
oak sky
actually
oak sky
venthyr zoldyck might be a bit sussy
spice spire
I'm telling you rn
echo geyser
what was that pic
spice spire
necro doomblade
ebon notch
You legit don't have a legendary for the first 70% of the mob
spice spire
with an ele shaman and ww
ebon notch
<:heavybreathing:585734081925611520> what was that pic
Wait you saw it too?
spice spire
ebon notch
I thought my phone was bugging
spice spire
I also saw it
oak sky
i saw it
ebon notch
Wtf
oak sky
must have been filtered
echo geyser
it was in every channel.
oak sky
ebon notch
It's the warriors coming to steal our APL
spice spire
ebon notch
echo geyser
once they add mounts/transmogs then ppl will be motivated
oak sky
yeah
echo geyser
ebon notch
I just wish I had a stable group
oak sky
my goal is to get all 20s this season and i havent attempted a key higher than 15 in over a month
ebon notch
I wanted to set a time to play and they go "yeah nah I'd rather we just played when we were free"
???
oak sky
you have to let your group form organically so the times work out
find some other degenerates to play with
ebon notch
We kinda did
But they're just
Idk
I haven't been trying for keys rly
Since then
I miss the homies
Need new ones
spice spire
I’m running with first time key pushers it’s first time myself, it’s been a good journey
balmy condor
doom and dashing are pretty much equal
harsh tusk
ty!
lunar elm
prisma monolithBOT
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strange python
Opinions please: I am playing assassination only. Currently Goblin. But I feel like I wanna be a Troll or Orc.
In the past I would say: troll, but their racial has a 3min cd now.
What do you think is best for m+?
Racially they look both awesome imo.
subtle tundra
racial dps doesnt really matter
if you care about m+, the best is blood elf for the utility
strange python
We werent talking about crapelves
strange python
I find the AP for burst on bosses pretty nice or prio targets. But so is haste.
subtle tundra
if you just care about dps, get the highest here i guess
strange python
Elves dont exist for me
strange python
I care about both btw, not just best, but still best between the 2. I find them both pretty cool looking..
subtle tundra
literally select whichever you like more
it wont make a difference in your dps
zinc frost
It’s really up to visuals at that point and what you think has better looking transmog..
subtle tundra
there's a whole TWO dps difference between orc and troll
zinc frost
Huge
strange python
What do you think visually?
strange python
I just wish I had a stable group
Me too. +20 spires w days ago....hunter randomly went offline with 12 min left on the clock towards last boss. 19 mists.....shaman randomly goes offline...think that run would have been +2...we went really fast.
I am fine with ppl leaving after wipes or when they are with bad ppl...but randomly just leaving or logging off...
Its hard to find a team. As an ass rogue I still do 9-10k avg overall. And deffo top bosses.
strange python
Just pick one
Reeeeeeeee
bleak sky
Belf racial is pretty juicy
cinder steppe
Hey guys, yesterday night we downed M Dorma, played as Assa since we needed bossdmg, i think i did pretty okay, with some fails since that shitty boss makes my PC go crazy sometimes.
Could you take a look at my kill log? To see if i could improve something?
small basin
is pooling energy before envenom still a thing for more damage?
cobalt pelican
yes
small basin
ty
soft shale
@cinder steppe could garrote more adds same as rupture 1 to get more winds juice also you were neverlucky with 20% winds procs so that is like -400 or so dps
also your ele and some others were kinda trolling with aoe but that happens a lot i guess
harsh lantern
almost there 🥲
pseudo hamlet
almost there 🥲
Dont worry! Just 22% hp left! 😄 You will get there!
harsh lantern
just want it to be dead
pure moth
The damage difference among the top is crazy different
harsh lantern
our boss dmg on that pull
people just be dead
next week is the kill for sure consistent in getting all the boys to p3 now
crazy it took so long
alpine latch
The damage difference among the top is crazy different
That's both my horde and Alliance guilds..
There are fights I win on my rogues by 1500 DPS
Some guilds just don't optimize and push their players
pure moth
Yeah. Im currently working on soulrender mythic, but guilds done for week. Should die next week.. painsmith will come soon enough
harsh lantern
painsmith is actually so simple
just need your team to live
I’m losing my mind atm
one ball back ez clap
fervent rune
Starting painsmith tomorrow. Any high parsers have some pro tips to maximize dmg?
soft shale
yes you can mfd boss
ball that dies
ball before they suicide
also boss is immune for like 1.2 secs or so when he jumps beware if you didnt know
harsh lantern
I swear I got parried on my first mut like 30x last night
Is it worth switching for balls if your team can kill them without you? seems like I just get energy regen out of it
I put a garrote on and ball dies feels like a waste of time
limber lion
Starting painsmith tomorrow. Any high parsers have some pro tips to maximize dmg...
Maintain alacrity throughout both intermissions, but don't do it if you risk dying.
Dying is the biggest dps loss after all
harsh lantern
Maintain alacrity throughout both intermissions, but don't do it if you risk dyi...
damn this is lit
pure moth
Ive never pulled mythic.. what do u have to do during intermission to keep it up
hollow river
If the first ball on painsmith dies fast af would anyone recommend rupturing a second ball?
I’m gonna run mfd for it once we finally reclear. Mfd on Sylvanas is pretty dope so far
warm drift
hey. how is assa dmg on remnant on m kel?
hollow river
It’s good
hollow river
Well sub doesn’t have to hold CDs on pull
And does equal dmg to remnant without Shadow Blades usually
harsh lantern
If the first ball on painsmith dies fast af would anyone recommend rupturing a s...
U like mfd on pain
hollow river
U like mfd on pain
I killed pain right before mfd was found to be a gain
harsh lantern
Ah
warm drift
okay ty for the info 🙂
hollow river
Or maybe right after
bleak sky
almost there 🥲
I feel you, was in the same spot yesterday 😦
harsh lantern
Is mfd only a gain at 30 stacks can’t remember
hollow river
I stayed vigor I think for comfort on prog
bleak sky
3% wipe, chad parse -> no boss kill
harsh lantern
I find myself going back to vigor with dashing
For consistency
Cause I don’t get 30 everytime
bleak sky
just crit 4Head
bleak sky
on PS you can always get a high flag
hollow river
U like mfd on pain
No. Also the more resets you get, the greater the gains compared to your ST sim.