Yup, my alt warrior for it on a valor farm run on first PF of the season…
#assassination
placid pagoda
shell carbon
Yup, my alt warrior for it on a valor farm run on first PF of the season…
a lot of 246 phials in armories
placid pagoda
a lot of 246 phials in armories
Yeah phial is OP even at 246 will upgrade it tomorrow if I don’t get it in the vault
shell carbon
Yeah phial is OP even at 246 will upgrade it tomorrow if I don’t get it in the v...
Now that I moved from main to alts, i'm upgrading my 210 I got last week in my rogue to try it on
placid pagoda
7 Slyv kills down still waiting on that
placid pagoda
Now that I moved from main to alts, i'm upgrading my 210 I got last week in my r...
Nice man
oak sky
i think i was at 11 or something
placid pagoda
i think i was at 11 or something
Pain
oak sky
is that an m+ setup with zoldyck?
shell carbon
didn't know a thing till yesterday of Sin frost crit build
oak sky
nah i was just curious
because for raid we dont play a leggo on legs 🙂
looks good to me
shell carbon
because for raid we dont play a leggo on legs 🙂
I have a 225 doomblade on hands from previous season
getting research to get a Scoundrel leggo recipe and look for domination gear an sockets
oak sky
ah nice
shell carbon
almost 40% crit without using a crafted 230 ring on my bags yet
waiting for something nice from vault tonight
spice spire
When you’re Necrolord 
spice spire
oak sky
^PepeMom
dawn ivy
i miss the copium of necro being better ST than venthyr
shell carbon
When you’re Necrolord <:kekl:753617830296944660>
best rogue cov
viscid spear
When you’re Necrolord <:kekl:753617830296944660>
limber lion
Imagine having all 4 covenant abilities simultaneously
shell carbon
Imagine having all 4 covenant abilities simultaneously
when we get domination weapons, and we can combine covenant ability with a different signature and a soulbind from a different one
Not joking, I mean it well
Imaging being able to use Nadjia with Thrill and necroskill
dawn ivy
id have wanted the nine spear to be a bit bigger
shell carbon
EON, Bow, Kt both wpns
oak sky
i meant like them having effects and stuff in general
dawn ivy
yeah id be happy if we get another dagger next tier that just has a generic effect
oak sky
visually theyre mostly ok i guess
shell carbon
oh yeah, the fist too
inland hull
i meant like them having effects and stuff in general
Totally agree, I mained fury all bfa and treasured my cut of death more than all my other gear. Something to play with besides raw stats just adds the right flavor
oak sky
although I also think they shouldn't just come back and do it next tier
its only special if its rare
shell carbon
i heard/read theories of us getting domination weapons next major patch 
subtle tundra
yea we get artifact weapons broooo
shell carbon
prisma cypress
pretty sure they'll ditch the domination stuff in 9.2
get some new kind of borrowed power
lavish lichen
Hopefully a real set bonus
shell carbon
yeah, pretty sure of it too
tight halo
im at ilvl 240, crit 38%, Haste 22%, mastery 24% vers 4%, is there something i should rework?
lavish lichen
Yea rogue is ruined think you need to delete and remake
charred wraith
yeah work around getting higher ilvl (while simming upgrades)
harsh lantern
100% crit and go next
tight halo
yeah work around getting higher ilvl (while simming upgrades)
so my stats arent complete fuck up then, yeah im working on my ilvl , rogue is just an alt so i havent givinen him too much love yet
balmy condor
ilvl is the only real thing to care about tbh
tight halo
got my frost dom bonus atleast
harsh lantern
pog
spice spire
ilvl is the only real thing to care about tbh
I care about you 
soft shale
but the korthia leech/avo gear is bae tho
stray mural
Bleedy poison pals, how did you make out with your vaults?
hollow river
but the korthia leech/avo gear is bae tho
I have an Ocarina with +50 avoidance you can have
oak sky
h sylv ring for me @stray mural
stray mural
h sylv ring for me <@!219274760700297218>
Pretty sick! Slap a socket in it?
brazen zodiac
LOL
stray mural
I need KT shoulders, sylv chest, and dagger. It’s the only reason why I keep doing heroic skip runs.
brazen zodiac
i need new content
static glacier
ay dude, some nonsense is occuring on fatescribe where a lack of venthyr boomies has got rl considering options
charred wraith
i ve just checked, i think there are litteraly 0 logs playing zoldyck both in hc and myth
balmy condor
oh is that something you can check
static glacier
balmy condor
how do you look up by lego
static glacier
13.6k
oak sky
whispyr how the guide going
charred wraith
the magnifying glass on the right, at the bottom
static glacier
after digging into logs some more zoldycks is off the table
charred wraith
actually, its a bit fucky, but you can sort every zoldyck log by umbrahide leggings id
and bc you craft on legs only DS and Zold, its easy enough for it
ah nah it filters every page separately, so you ll have to manually scroll through everything to the end, idk what am i doing
strange python
M rem dagger/H sylv dagger or should i still farm H sylv every week for the H dagger? and double them up
fierce wind
@balmy condor or anyone that knows, can you do the deathly shadows vanish buff for sin like you can with sub?
balmy condor
no
spice spire
It does not
balmy condor
it's sub only
balmy condor
yeh
used to work for all 3
but then they "fixed" it
problem is
it's a different spell id for sub
than the other two
so it got fixed for sin/outlaw
and the sub spell id didn't get touched
cause they forgot I guess
oak sky
oh?
oak sky
nice
arctic hare
And soon I'll be able to make it into my second 262 lego
oak sky
good luck bro
arctic hare
Now to figure out how in the heck I'm going to track the crit buff
Hmm, somehow mine doesn't
True
who's do you recommend I import?
gusty mirage
who's do you recommend I import?
arctic hare
What
the heck
Winds of winter at rank 4 straight up just beat all of the anima powers I had, including erratic Howler
normal mist
In 2 weeks of raiding I managed to ditch pretty much all my 239 pvp gear filled with versa, and now have 235 ilevel but with 38% CRIT, 23% haste, R3 frost set and all shard pieces, including a 236 vial that my friends and I went to get just now from a M16 (made my boomy go feral loot, he got it for me). Life is good. My HC logs still suck tho :(
lavish lichen
Yea ofc gear matters
But there is no substitute for reps with your spec and learning the fights
balmy condor
in a m+, not much, on a 3 minute tarragrue, probably a lot more
dense hamlet
ye wondering abt st
lean fossil
question for you boys
raid team is doing the md strat on nerzhul
why does shadowstep not work everytime?
when im getting md?
lean fossil
i got it
oak sky
you can stand pretty close to the inside person
lean fossil
its like it doesnt register the button hit
oak sky
make sure you press shadowstep before you get knocked off the platform
if your model is off the platform it doesnt work iirc
lean fossil
been trying
viscid spear
Had to pug Heroic, guild was a no-go
lean fossil
ahhh so being right on the edge is a no go lol
oak sky
yeah you ideally want to be a little closer to the middle
lean fossil
thanks man
strange python
should i hold cds to line up with unholy set bonus for fate?
or would that be troll
sorry I'm an outdated unholy user
slow marsh
Troll
strange python
Okay lolol
spice spire
very troll
blazing finch
if you are pulling a chain on soulrender and you cloak while holding the chain does it break the chain?
violet jackal
I don't think so
spice spire
it does not
strange python
Trying to parse without guardian trink, sylv daggers, and 249 ilvl while 18manning does NOT feel fun
kind talon
WE'RE GAMING TONIGHT DECAF
multispec freakazoid rogue
i will master all 3 specs, and unite the hidden leaf village
kind talon
wow you got good powers
shut up
oak sky
i will master all 3 specs, and unite the hidden leaf village
water, earth, fire, air
kind talon
spice spire
multispec god gaming
gusty mirage
hi
gusty mirage
<@!192059095279337473>
hollow river
hey um
balmy condor
<:PEEK:701199446737944710>
hollow river
gusty mirage
what's wrong? 😦
hollow river
you ain't lookin' for a guild are you
gusty mirage
ruh roh
balmy condor
violet jackal
hate to break it your missing a balance druid too
hollow river
yeah
we are missing that too, sorta
even with boomie added i can't find a single sylv kill w/o monk/holy pal
violet jackal
just be the first, make history
hollow river
lol
don't see it happening
they're talking about switching a 250 sub rogue for his heroic geared ww
or a 250 resto druid for heroic geared h pal
we're barely meeting the check in p1, so they're assuming we won't meet the check in p3
slow marsh
<:PEEK:701199446737944710>
glass tulip
252 salvaged fusion amp
we did it
we had 8 melee in the fight and the only drop was for the tank in dps spec :)
scenic dawn
balmy condor
@ebon notch I have a new strat
hollow river
Have you been running mfd on sylv whisp?
balmy condor
I don't play sin
balmy condor
I only play sin to degenerate heal logs
balmy condor
yeah
hollow river
Bro
balmy condor
mfd seems banger
oak sky
its super banger
hollow river
Haven’t pulled the boss once with vigor
In p1 I basically only press it for pull, and flag (obv) and I just hold it for adds
hollow river
I don’t necessarily follow the 15 second hold rule
balmy condor
any NA horde have turnip that I could borrow for a couple minutes
hollow river
Because I get multiple resets per chains and per sentinels
oak sky
i think i do whispyr
yeah its worth
but if its like 20s to the next set i would send it on boss
let me check rq
@balmy condor i have the turnip
where u need it
balmy condor
in maw
oak sky
ok
hollow river
Are you testing healing strat
balmy condor
I am
balmy condor
healer degeneracy
oak sky
i can go to korthia??
hollow river
PeepoLeave
oak sky
@balmy condor add me or say where to meet
balmy condor
dm char name
ripe saddle
Friend just got his 3rd mythic Edge of night
real kettle
week 0598509385085038 still no dagger
i got mine 2 weeks ago xD
subtle tundra
3 upgrades left
pure moth
Tell me about it. I'm also still rocking normal kt shoulders
quaint carbon
got the hand 2 times in 3 vaults, and 1 time on 1 boss loot (out of 3* 3 boss) 
neat smelt
yo guys,is simming dslice for assa a good choice? never played it in m+ and wanna try it out
oak sky
pretty much yeah
ruby oyster
whats the benefit of 2nd sylvanas dagger? double finisher dmg? tooltip doesnt say anything but sims 26dps higher than normal 246 dagger
oak sky
I cant remember exactly but I think its double damage
might be double proc rate
not positive
its possible that a higher level main hand sims higher than double daggers though
ruby oyster
all my daggers are 246 unfortunately, i dont have any other choice in vault but i dont want to lose too much crit
neat smelt
what stats shoud i craft my zoldycks with if its only for m+
oak sky
I still went crit haste on mine but crit mastery could also be a good choice
either way is probably fine
neat smelt
got ya,i ll sim it and check,thanks for the feedback
oak sky
no matter which one you craft, you can probably get the stats on other gear
so don't sweat it too much
normal mist
Yesterday me and my guild managed to down painsmith and guardian HC (yes we started proging last week). Weird enough we wiped 3 times in painsmith and around 7 on guardian
I now call him sniper. Because the amount of times half my raid died to the beam...
normal mist
We also found a soaking strat for guardian using only 2 members. A fire mage and a frost mage, frost would ice block near the tanks, get hit by both soaks, then fire then frost again. Amazing way to do it really
oak sky
yeah, on mythic you do something very similar but 3 players have to immune in the soaks
oak sky
cloak works too 🙂
normal mist
cloak works too 🙂
Doesn't that soak involve a physical damage part aswell? That's why I didn't soak
balmy condor
Doesn't that soak involve a physical damage part aswell? That's why I didn't soa...
the swirly one is the physical one
the yellow circle is a group arcane soak
subtle tundra
that one is tank mechanic
oak sky
you just let the tank get hit by the brown one then walk in during the orange 2
but in heroic whatever you squad is doing should be great
gusty adder
How do you guys handle CD-timings on Painsmith? We're currently progging, but it feels a bit awkward with the balls spawning in vendetta and every shiv-window if used on CD
Tried waiting for after balls as well, but then I often get traps in shiv-windows etc
oak sky
i havent noticed that really
vendetta is usually ending when the balls spawn
at least on pull
then shiv kinda depends i think
gusty adder
Yee, I mean, it's only 3-5 seconds of vendetta afaik
so not the worst
Shiv is worse however, if I use it on vendetta on pull it comes up 1-2 sec before next balls spawn
oak sky
probably just send it then swap to ball and swap back
gusty adder
Ye, alright - that's basically what ive been doing - just felt a bit wasteful
gusty adder
ye
Have been using shiv a few times on balls in p2 to get em down quicker as well - should I ever do that?
normal mist
the yellow circle is a group arcane soak
We all really thought this one still had a physical component to it... #fail.
oak sky
Have been using shiv a few times on balls in p2 to get em down quicker as well -...
probably not, since the balls rarely live for a full 9 seconds
normal mist
Maybe just FoK to spread dots aka increase your frost set dmg? Atleast that's what I did
green ledge
anyone able to explain how come the sylvanas chest is simming as a 43 dps gain in droptimizer but as a dps loss in quick sim?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kJ7F5VUXcyQU2wWWChuQwu
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a8Mvtac1Y2fPDPUHFVppz7
subtle tundra
enchant
strange python
6 weeks of hc clears and sylvanas kills finally paid off
normal mist
Gratz!
gray lynx
Trinket and dagger in one vault sadge
dapper flint
12 weeks no dagger
normal mist
Raid vault no good but M15 had a haste Critical ring 252 with socket (the one from top i believe). I can finally upgrade my 200ilvl one!
tough canyon
can anyone just tell me how i can do non critical strikes out of stealth with MA used+ 51% crit with stats? o.O
thats 101% out of stealth+ 3 sec after and i still get normal hits with my mutilate
soft shale
nani show log
umbral summit
12 weeks no dagger
Ditto
tough canyon
atm just wondered in torghast doing kinda funny stuff with with volatile flesh and it did a normal hit with 0.5 sec left on MA. I only got a short clip of it not a log. for logs i need to take look @ the last raid logs
thats the ms it just hit
and thats the normal hit
soft shale
i think it cant crit
tough canyon
sure i can
soft shale
same as kel trink and rack
tough canyon
*it
gusty mirage
Because MA affects our abilities
Not necro shield explosion, it was just unlucky rng
tough canyon
Because MA affects our abilities
MA say's your critical strike chance is increased by
so the tooltip should be wrong
gusty mirage
The legendary or the talent?
tough canyon
talent
the leggo is dead since 9.1
with the legendary your right that was the nerf in 9.0.5 i think
gusty mirage
It’s probably whitelisted to just our abilities if I had to guess
fallen arch
^
gusty mirage
afaik the talent has always only worked with our abilities
hollow river
Yep
If that worked I’m pretty sure we’d all be using our damaging trinkets during the window.
fallen arch
Yeah and timing it around winds
sonic schooner
Flesh craft is not considered as a rogue ability but as a shammy ability since they can cast it while moving without being kick?
Would be poopoo
tough canyon
Flesh craft is not considered as a rogue ability but as a shammy ability since t...
that might be because of emeni
sonic schooner
In arena nah
ebon notch
<@!124465215826821120> I have a new strat
I was Hella asleep
sonic schooner
Because they re playing mari I can garanty
ebon notch
Tell me the strat when you're up
sonic schooner
They just do their buff that allow them to cast while moving and not being able to get kicked. The tooltip talk about sham abilities only and apparently flesh craft is one of them
tough canyon
well
hollow river
Nobody said blizzard was consistent
gusty mirage
Yeah blizzard’s tooltips are notoriously inconsistent
tough canyon
i feel like the tooltips are 💩
gusty mirage
You’d feel correctly
hollow river
Ye. Dogshit.
pure moth
Can someone look at this log. its the 18,2 strat of the eye. Can't break past this general number
tough canyon
as i said with MA: your critical strike chance is increased by 50% there is nothing about only your abilities
tough canyon
Can someone look at this log. its the 18,2 strat of the eye. Can't break past th...
1st take 5 cp's to instant use rupture on the abductor's.
tough canyon
Can someone look at this log. its the 18,2 strat of the eye. Can't break past th...
2nd you and rly dont wanna use envenom on the abductor
quasi ledge
Why Envenom the abductor? Just DoT it and pump boss
tough canyon
Can someone look at this log. its the 18,2 strat of the eye. Can't break past th...
only bleeds+refresh on abductor and use shadowstep to dodge the lazor
tough canyon
Why Envenom the abductor? Just DoT it and pump boss
sorry brainfail
tough canyon
pump boss->pump eyes> only dots on non primary targets
with shadowstep you land frot left of the boss
pure moth
i am using shadowstep, ive also cloaked a lazer too
tough canyon
do you pool energy before using shiv?
pure moth
theres just a bit of down time going left to right... waiting for timer to tick away for debuff we get. i feel like everyone just runs right in while i sit back and wait
yes i pool
quasi ledge
It depends when you go over, if it's right after a stack is applied it takes longer to drop them (but also if the eye takes a while to die you can't really control that). But you can go hit the other eye, just make sure you and the tank are max melee from each other
pure moth
so basically i should start going over earlier than its called to switch so that my debuff drops first so i can start attacking right away
imo
quasi ledge
My much shorter kill had more garrotr/rupture casts than yours, so the best thing to do is focus on multi dotting the adds and making sure you keep 100% uptime on the boss
Maybe not. We always go over right as white swirls spawn so we dodge them as we take the chain. If you go early you might spawn a swirl where people land
tough canyon
My much shorter kill had more garrotr/rupture casts than yours, so the best thin...
meh i hate that side switching tac in this fight 😦
quasi ledge
But even if the stacks refresh, as long as you don't collide with the tank/healer you're fine. You can be max melee behind the eye and be ok
Yeah it kinda sucks for logs, but I do alright and don't particularly care for them. Just the way we started doing it and cba for people trying to do the other way, have no trust :p
pure moth
Maybe i can just start on the otherside and wont have to worry about switching lol
spice spire
Yeah but then you’re taking hella damage
I kinda gabagool’d into mythic eye last night. I think a large part of it is the 18-2 strat, the group I’m with still did the swap strat, which kind of sucked.
pure moth
Yeah but the other rogue was ridiculously higher. Soo it still should work fine
spice spire
Identical-ish kill times, played like garbage, r4 frost, and couldn’t vendetta the lust phase since the boomy convoked the eye I had to match. Still about 800 up, with 200 more energy gain, I wasted about 300 less energy,
When you do swap are you using movement abilities to get their ASAP (obviously after buff falls off)
kind talon
Identical-ish kill times, played like garbage, r4 frost, and couldn’t vendetta t...
played like garbage 
spice spire
Bruh I just kinda wung it no strat no shot
Wasted almost 50 CP mostly through seal fate and sbs
Wasn’t meant to be a shot, more of a, somethings up. Play on kriz’s end seems better
And with higher winds damage
pure moth
Flex lol
Its gotta be a down time thing overall
I was above 10k on the nine and died at the end.. was mad cuz i was ahead
spice spire
Had half of the fragments on the nine. Way more fun on mythic though 
soft shale
you can pre cloak fragments if you are going to pop cds
what always cucks is the double shield
as you watch all cds become available
and then have to hold for like 20s
gusty mirage
Had half of the fragments on the nine. Way more fun on mythic though <:rooSuffer...
Wait until fatescribe and you get every inner rune
That’s the real fun
You sit there with coolies up like “guess I’ll just go fuck myself”
spice spire
Wait until fatescribe and you get every inner rune
That’s my heroic experience too lmfao
gusty mirage
This raid is actually miserable
drifting cloud
why are you popping cds in intermission? 😛
gusty mirage
Just like I blasted Scott in that email and got in trouble
spice spire
True
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
Ye
“My b I’m used to just blasting and telling people to git gud, I disclosed this in my application”
gusty mirage
The damage portion does
valid spoke
okay
gusty mirage
As sin you want just one, probably OH
valid spoke
so having a hc and a mythic at same time is fine it doesntoverride?
gusty mirage
It’ll stack the damage part on both
hollow river
I kinda gabagool’d into mythic eye last night. I think a large part of it is the...
I’ve never tried the 18-2 strat. I kinda like the split and plant strat
drifting cloud
18-2 is worse, just not by any metric that matters
for rogue both are probably same shit
hollow river
If you can get on the side that takes the extra add every time, parse ez
drifting cloud
since you can just cloak application and run over whenever the fuck you want
drifting cloud
you can cloak the application, so it just falls off
hollow river
I always just cloak the beam so I can stick on boss/add
spice spire
I’ve never tried the 18-2 strat. I kinda like the split and plant strat
We did the swap method, moving at 4 stacks
hollow river
I hate the swap method
spice spire
Yeah not the biggest fan
hollow river
The side that gates always milks way longer and has 0 down time
And i was always put on the side that takes chain
So the side that takes chain has to sit and wait while they milk, and then stop dps to wait for them to get the other eye low enough
Kinda shit tbh
spice spire
Yeah, I was chain group too
Like I said had to vendetta to catch up to the convoke on both eyes
tough canyon
As sin you want just one, probably OH
as sin you want two on 259 if you only can get 246 you want one in offhand and 252 in mh
spice spire
We’d leave the eye at 40ish, their eye at 55ish. So we had 15% more + movement + boomy convoked
spice spire
as sin you want two on 259 if you only can get 246 you want one in offhand and 2...
Not always. My 252 offhand sims higher. It’s not blanket advice for sin 
tough canyon
Not always. My 252 offhand sims higher. It’s not blanket advice for sin <a:bearJ...
anyway just sim before using anything but bis is 2x259
wary pawn
any1 sent to 2nd platform on p3 sylvanas to clean pools? got this task but i barely lived after jumping back
ebon notch
any1 sent to 2nd platform on p3 sylvanas to clean pools? got this task but i bar...
no
rogue is super bad at this
you need an external or smth
best class outside of a tank is probably a dh with netherwalk
wary pawn
ya im still the one to do it so ...
lavish lichen
If you end up using an external just make sure its not sac
ebon notch
ya im still the one to do it so ...
the only platform you have a dps do usually is 4th platform while you're on 1st
the others the tank do
drifting cloud
sending a rogue
lavish lichen
I think the though process is “they have cloak” but its very backwards 
wary pawn
ye its basically, send the rogue he have cloak LMAO
hollow escarp
tough canyon
ya im still the one to do it so ...
if your raidlead rly dont wanna take a other player to do this try Elusiveness instead of Cheat Death
lavish lichen
Yea actually good idea
Cringe but basically the only way to not get fucking smoked
tough canyon
i rly like Elusiveness if you're sure you dont fail its the best choice in that row
viscid spear
I hardly ever get assigned a duty because most of my guild doesn't even know what a Rogue could do.
Imagine if I tried making that "activate Cheat Death" meme a reality in their eyes.
I don't mean I avoid all responsibility, I do make a note of what I can do, I just make sure I don't get hit with something like Saisel. 
lavish lichen
I only offer to do stuff if I know I’m the best person for the job
viscid spear
Pumpkin spice coffee with pb sandwiches, good morning so far. 
arctic hare
I only offer to do stuff if I know I’m the best person for the job
Understandable
viscid spear
I hardly ever get target for Crushing Gaze on The Nine or Frost Blast on KT, so I can't look cool taking it solo
normal mist
Funny when some classes wanna solo those type of abilities with cloak, ice block, etc and someone be like "oh nooo I have to help my friend soaaaak that".
You know what happens next 
subtle tundra
unless its called for solo i stay in group
doesnt really matter on the nine since on that fight nothing does enough damage to be threatening, but on KT there are certain soaks that are harder than others
arctic hare
You know what happens next <:silenceheathen:802244766490034226>
Yee, yee I do
arctic hare
doesnt really matter on the nine since on that fight nothing does enough damage ...
Friggin freezing in place soak anyone?
subtle tundra
that + people recovering from spike dmg + having 6 people stuck when there's adds to interrrupt can cause wipes
viscid spear
You know what happens next <:silenceheathen:802244766490034226>
"Why didn't you solo soak it?" 
lime gust
anyone know if cloaking big purple circles on the nine removes the explosions entirely like cloak does on fatescribe? the cloak excel doesn't have details on this part
inland hull
I run it out and then cloak and shadowstep back in. The sound effect for the explosion still goes off, so I assume it still pops when you cloak it off.
Like a Sylvanas arrow situation
gusty adder
can I run through balls with cloak on Painsmith?
oak sky
No
lavish lichen
You can try! I believe!
pure moth
If you try it. Please take a video of the moment
viscid spear
Door of Shadows
fallen arch
anyone know if cloaking big purple circles on the nine removes the explosions en...
Yes it does
gusty adder
You can try! I believe!
I couldnt :<
clever kindle
anyone know if cloaking big purple circles on the nine removes the explosions en...
Cloaking it removes the circle but Im unsure if it would cause the damage to go off to anyone in it
proven saddle
The only way to be sure is to make sure you’re standing on top of the entire raid when you cloak
alpine garden
For science
viscid spear
"research purposes"
fallen ginkgo
Good evening Sinner's gamers, looking for advice and tips how to min max CD's for P2 Sylvanas. Currently testing this and it feels ... not optimal. Moving Vendetta to 1st Sylv burn doesnt make it align properly for 2nd (should i just hold for p3?)
viscid spear
Good evening Sinner's gamers, looking for advice and tips how to min max CD's fo...
Sinners
fallen ginkgo
edited Sir.
oak sky
I usually double cd on goliath, flag colossus, then vendetta burn 2
It kinda lines up better for p3 from what I know because using stuff on cd gets you more casts through the fight
red plaza
CD on first Goliath, nothing on first Sylv burn, nothing on Colossus, CDs with pot + cloak haunting wave 2nd burn.
It lines up p3 CDs better so you pretty much fire them on CD, and it’ll be ready for the lust @ 13:30 ish
placid pagoda
Arachnid Cypher ring 246 is apparently better than 246 Ring from slyv
149 crit 99 haste vs 205 crit 43 vers
oak sky
Both of them together sim well for me
placid pagoda
Ye got 252 Bloodoath signet
107 crit 151 haste
didnt think assa would favor my haste at 20%
oak sky
I mean
It favors whatever is good for the gear you have
Next patch its probably right back to haste
placid pagoda
yeah crit heavy im at 45% but could be at 50 if i dropped some ilvl
grand ridge
Haste means more opportunity to crit
placid pagoda
Haste means more opportunity to crit
I see
grand ridge
You want both but mostly crit
frigid kestrel
Im finally at the point where I need haste > Crit at 48.5 crit.
Shit took forever
winter vapor
what tea#s are worth rerolling from theotar?
limber lion
Crit/Haste are both good, roll Vers/Mast
Buuuut doesn't really matter too too much, as long as you have something
winter vapor
so Agi is worth rereolling?
viscid spear
If you know way ahead of time when you're going to do content, you can reroll every hour until you get what you want and then log off until it's time
But I roll Nadja the QT3.14 so I just do whatevs
placid pagoda
Buuuut doesn't really matter too too much, as long as you have something
Cev are you still playing or have you entirely quit the game?
viscid spear
Seems like a lot of people I know retired until 9.2
Now I have to pug for the dagger
polar cape
I got a 0% crit on my wind last night on remnant does that count for anything <.<
harsh lantern
based dapman
ebon notch
based dapman
its with new guild also so i gotta put my name out there
limber lion
Cev are you still playing or have you entirely quit the game?
I've quit the game entirely.
Still hang around here though :p
visual prairie
i wish i could quit you
placid pagoda
I've quit the game entirely.
Sadge 😦
scarlet warren
I've quit the game entirely.
just taking a break or permanent?
timid cloud
It’s not like he’s evading the topic.
strange python
i lost the little interest i had in raiding after progressing 2 nights on Painsmith and wiping on the same thing 75 times
arctic hare
Wow
subtle tundra
welcome to prog raiding
visual prairie
we did our first prog night last week. 40 pulls haven't gotten anywhere close to a full group past first intermission yet
i can't tell if i'm having fun or not.
oak sky
If youre over it after 2 nights just wait until you get your month of sylvanas wipes lmao
limber lion
just taking a break or permanent?
At least for like a year. Kinda doubtful I'll start again after that :p
But who knows 
charred wraith
almost immediately after joining method 
limber lion
Completely unrelated though :p
Would have quit even if I was with the Stormwolves of Stormscale
strange python
I got a 0% crit on my wind last night on remnant does that count for anything <....
lol
ebon notch
<@!124465215826821120> consider the following
ooooooooo
but
hmm
your frost set wont be as big
with no dashing
and its a huge amount of healing
arctic walrus
<@!124465215826821120> consider the following
bill bill bill bill
ebon notch
blood set is better?
balmy condor
oh 100%
winter vapor
I joined the 10k club by a whisker... https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xajKfS3VQTnw5adY5e7oJn
now just need to actually do it in raid o.o
balmy condor
I joined the 10k club by a whisker... https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xaj...
sim it again 
winter vapor
No way! it might be different >:
charred wraith
receive more dmg, fixed
oak sky
Tell healers to heal you less
balmy condor
yeh
balmy condor
yeah
I think ascended vigor > eternal grace
but eternal grace has less overhealing
idk how eternal grace procs though
oak sky
Is healing oil worth?
oak sky
Also
ebon notch
and rinse and repeat
balmy condor
yeh I guess
oak sky
Why havent there been ptr notes yet
I want to see #outlaw mald for the 6th week in a row or whatever
ebon notch
no i havent
oak sky
I heard a rumor you have a friend that plays kyrian bear 
oak sky
Maybe
balmy condor
in the bag
200
balmy condor
@wild lantern yo fuck the damage parse I need kindred for the hps
wild lantern
Am I nothing to you besides a simp bear
placid pagoda
Can someone explain why the MFD - vent is was meant to be BiS but virtually everyone in top logs runs vigor?
oak sky
They don't know or old logs
soft shale
recent addition
also if you get kindred
you may play subterfuge
hidden bladees
and still top
oak sky
Virtually everyone in here is playing ep mfd
balmy condor
fun fact, top logs does not make top build, top player, top anything
soft shale
yes bois that go to the gym play mfd
oak sky
At least people that care nough to optimize
placid pagoda
fun fact, top logs does not make top build, top player, top anything
True just interesting to see
soft shale
it would be funny if we had like a shadow with no name in private logs
oak sky
This is how shitters like me get rank 1s 👀
placid pagoda
ambush from stealth was a thing in top logs
Lol why
balmy condor
because things take time
soft shale
so we could know how much cream are packing the top dogs
balmy condor
to pass through the community
mfd won't have a good showing until like 2 months into 9.1.5
cause it takes forever
placid pagoda
MFD best run with obe right? Then dashing
placid pagoda
mfd won't have a good showing until like 2 months into 9.1.5
Oh I see
oak sky
Another factor is this discord is probably mostly NA and EU and a lot of the simp parses are cn or kr
hollow river
MFD best run with obe right? Then dashing
Nah. That depends on your gear, most def a sim question.
Mfd sims higher with Dashing for me.
slow marsh
Mfd sims higher with Dashing for me.
same
hollow river
they have their own discords I think but they're super small
How far have you made it on Sylv 
balmy condor
we're reclearing this week
hollow river
Why
Just cause? Or was p1 giving you guys trouble
We’re barely phasing correctly so we’re making some changes to roster tn
But we might end up reclearing next week as well
strange python
Is it normal to be parsing lower if I don’t have dashing + frost
strange python
Gonna have to tough it out and clear everything this week somehow
Next week too @.@
normal mist
Question: if I kill either sylvanas or KT HC, my vaults will also have their loot table options or do I need to kill both so the vault adds their loot table? (Got sylvanas down only)
hollow river
Both
subtle tundra
bleh, i've done a key as sub and never again 😠 😠 😠 😠 assa masterrace
normal mist
So until I kill KT HC I don't have a chance on sylvanas loot on the vault?
hollow river
No u can get her loot yes @
normal mist
Oh okay. Sweet!
hollow river
U can’t get kt loot until u kill him at least once
hollow river
<@!629463378250956810> banging our heads against the sylvanas wall again tonight
bro
we're switching 1 arms warr for his hunter so 2 hunters and 1 arms now
and i think we're switching resto druid for hpal
how far have you guys made it oxi?
gusty mirage
we make it clean to intermission then it all goes to shit
hollow river
same
we got to p2 with half alive
now we're switching comp so we're gonna have to reoptimize chain damage
strange python
How do you actually parse when you can only get 1 flag in p1 on sylv
balmy condor
Play obed I guess
strange python
Still only 1 vend
oak sky
Wdym
ebon notch
i mean you can do chain dam also
strange python
I aint got wild spirits
balmy condor
Neither do the other sin rogues?
strange python
A lot push slower or do fast push
balmy condor
strange python
We tried fast push once, would have passed orange. Then decided not to for sales
So sad
stray mural
are the boe leather pants from sod bis for frost build
only crit heavy legs ive seen
strange python
Last in the raid to get fusion amp...DHs, hunters, shams all got first rippppppppppp
balmy condor
are the boe leather pants from sod bis for frost build
No, and also BiS is an outdated concept that doesn’t really hold much weight these days
viscid spear
No, and also BiS is an outdated concept that doesn’t really hold much weight the...
Good because I had some drop and I put them in the AH
ebon notch
now we just need people to stop dying to shit
enjoy the next 75-100 pulls
hollow river
No kizzy bro
We wasted like 70-80 pulls with a raunch comp
Switched 1 arms for hunter and we sail through damage wise now
I think the biggest thing messing with people is that positioning can change from pull to pull
Like the chains/where she jumps to/where black arrows need to go etc
balmy condor
It took us 25 cause we got there end of night and people were losing their shit
brazen zodiac
lmfao
stray mural
10k club we made it https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bd5csgXgxhXzpi6yyv3pQ1
spice spire
oak sky
ebon notch
<:prayge:803711491021733888>
stop reading discord and kill boss
shrewd helm
for mplus do we run different stats or is it still crit?
plain onyx
crit/haste .. check #assassination-faq
oak sky
m+ should be crit most important, then probably mastery or haste
vers is good too though
everything is good
subtle tundra
i play 40-42% crit, then depends on dungeon/affixes
big aoe dungeon = more mastery
a lot of st = more haste
also depends on tea
oak sky
a solid mix of stats is good for keys though
dungeon slice is a good sim for us but its ok to adjust stats a little for your needs
balmy condor
Yeh mastery is good
But like sub, we don’t really play for aoe
We’re the single target cleave boys
And haste is really good for that
Having some mastery isn’t bad though
Vers obviously same thing, not the best but having some is good especially in high keys for a little more survival
spark scaffold
dense hamlet
JUST use what topgear tells u
balmy condor
lean coral
He's tryna steal whispyr
balmy condor
I don’t want to put kojiyama’s traveling sim circus out of business
He rewrote the entire feral apl from scratch I hear
lean coral
Rewrite the boomy one to bait them all to go kyrian
balmy condor
Lmao
I actually wonder how many people would play simp specs if their externals counted on their damage
Like if the bond from kyrian boomy went to the boomy’s details instead of the person they’re buffing
You think people would play it?
lean coral
If that shit counted for logs probs all of them
lean coral
Chickens already be dying due to not wanting to move during ramp
They'll do anything for the numbers
balmy condor
One of our boomkins dead ass suicided to spike spawns on KT prog
Because he fucked his pull
lean coral
Lul
subtle tundra
on the fight where dps matters least yikes
balmy condor
@ebon notch I have actually been wanting to play warrior though I hear good thing, I always went warrior/hunter first in my end of expansion leveling
lean coral
The new kt strat makes boss dmg matter
balmy condor
I just can’t be asked maintaining 2 classes
lean coral
I'd be willing to if not for Dom gems
ebon notch
<@124465215826821120> I have actually been wanting to play warrior though I hear...
I'm doing it now
Gonna get my last few pieces from a heroic boost this week
And then try blasting
lean coral
Need them to add a ember catch-up
ebon notch
I'm really surprised they haven't yet
lean coral
So far all they announced was higher drop rate for gems
ebon notch
@balmy condor go look at their APL and see if there's anything fucky wucky UwU
balmy condor
Honestly it’s probably working fine but a lot of rogue complications are aoe/dslice related
balmy condor
Shiv is actually one of the simpler apl lines
ebon notch
Press shiv on cd
oak sky
rupture, but only in pandemic, and only if if if if
balmy condor
The time remaining where you cast rupture
Changes based on the bleeds you have out, dashing, doomblade, the time till the mob dies
balmy condor
The time you remaining where you cast CT changes on legendary, how many mobs you have, the time till the mob dies, the bleeds you have going out
And then people still be like “idk dslice isn’t optimized”
:/
oak sky
dslice does always recommend haste though
is that because you lose a lot of boss damage without it?
balmy condor
Change the APL to 4 ruptures so I can stop getting memed
Just say that you meant 4 ruptures and garrote on main target for 5 bleeds total for max prio damage
balmy condor
is that because you lose a lot of boss damage without it?
Boss and cleave
balmy condor
Haste only sucks if you can hit your saturation all the time
So like 4+, you’re saturating after opener
So you got haste going down
And then as you get more targets
ebon notch
DIVIDE SERVER TICKRATE BY ATTACK SPEED THEN DIVIDE IT AGAIN BY YOUR ILEVEL TO GET ACCURATE DPS FOR ANY ENCOUNTER
balmy condor
CT damage stonks
oak sky
so like a key where you have tons of mass pulls
balmy condor
Mastery stonks
oak sky
but you would still want a decent amount of haste
you never really want to get fucked by boss
balmy condor
DIVIDE SERVER TICKRATE BY ATTACK SPEED THEN DIVIDE IT AGAIN BY YOUR ILEVEL TO GE...
Bruh there was one regular in here a couple months ago that was so dentbrain
Doing math for tick rates on rupture/garrote
To get an extra tick in
And I’m like “yeah but that doesn’t matter, cause partial ticks exist”
And he fucking stared me in my eyes through the screen
balmy condor
And unironically said “yeah but if you aren’t ever refreshing dots, it matters”
ebon notch
https://tenor.com/view/pog-o-twitch-emote-p-pogo-gif-19344359
I'm too tired for this it's destroying my brain
Wtf is a partial tick
balmy condor
So rupture ticks happen every 2 seconds with 0 haste yeh
Which is fine cause all the rupture durations are even numbers
Super easy
ebon notch
Ok
ebon notch
Easy sure
balmy condor
So now your dots tick 10% faster
ebon notch
0.9 tick
balmy condor
So you get 1 tick, every 2 * (1-haste) seconds
ebon notch
So is it 90% the damage of a normal tick
balmy condor
No
Still same damage
But now it’s 1.8 seconds
and it doesn’t fit nicely into a 16 second rupture for example right
ebon notch
Yes
balmy condor
So you get 8 ticks
And then you have 1.6 seconds left
So it does a smaller hit of damage
To make up for it
A partial tick
ebon notch
Wait isn't that what I said
balmy condor
That’s also why when you recast rupture
You get a venomous wound
Instantly on cast
Because when you cast a garrote or a rupture
It instantly snaps the timer to tick on cast
The partial tick either gets added on the new cast
Or if it expires, just does a mini hit
cloud reef
ebon notch
Wait so what was wrong with what I said
balmy condor
Partial ticks are very scary stuff
cloud reef
very scary
ebon notch
Or was it right but coming from the wrong place
cloud reef
im going as a partial tick for halloween
balmy condor
Yeah it was right enough
balmy condor
It’s just the last tick though
balmy condor
Nah
ebon notch
Is the scaling too bad
oak sky
crit can apply on every tick too
balmy condor
Cause the problem is that you need crit for the cp
jaunty kayak
will we ever see those big dick PBs like in legion with a shit ton of mastery?
ebon notch
Just have like baseline 25%
oak sky
our mastery is so boring
balmy condor
PB doesn’t have enough of a base damage anymore
On top of that
Legion mastery was poison only
So you could have 200% mastery, 200% poison bomb damage
But now the same amount of mastery only gets you like 40%
Cause it buffs bleeds too
So not only is PB weak
ebon notch
The coefficient is shitty
balmy condor
Mastery affects it less
ebon notch
Bro I closed my eyes and started hearing beeping noises
balmy condor
The coefficient is indeed shitty
jaunty kayak
so reduced effectiveness of mastery to accomomdate to buff bleeds too?
balmy condor
Yeah
jaunty kayak
balmy condor
PB in legion also was also just like twice the damage baseline
balmy condor
My contacts
Yeah
Of course
Let me call my uncle who works at blizzard definitely for sure
oak sky
no tell your blizzard friends to design something cooler for our mastery
or give us more cool stuff
jaunty kayak
oh.. ofc i didnt mean like 3,5mil crits of PB ... but the big dick dmg scaled down to our dmg rn .. but ig it does not change the fact that its still weak now :/
balmy condor
Idk poison bomb is just boring and stupid
balmy condor
oh.. ofc i didnt mean like 3,5mil crits of PB ... but the big dick dmg scaled do...
Doesn’t matter if it’s 3.5 mil or 3.5k
ebon notch
Make it so that 1% of mastery is 1% more damage
jaunty kayak
i miss it anyways
balmy condor
% wise it’s just worse
ebon notch
Problem solved
jaunty kayak
yy i get it now