assassination

[spice spire]

True

[arctic tulip]

question, wanting to try sin again, I have 246/233eon, is it better to have a dagger with stats at 246 than the 233, do both eon blades not overlap, I guess is the question

[red plaza]

Generally double EON isn’t that great for Sin though as it is for Sub. But you have to sim. The proc rate doesn’t double with two of them equipped, but the damage does

[cerulean nest]

any new revelations since mfd? havent checked in here for a little while

[spice spire]

Everything’s changed, we go blood set

Master poisoner, whole nine

No changes so far 😛

[quaint carbon]

[cerulean nest]

lol sick

I've hit my crit ceiling btw lol, sims no longer want me taking any more

feelsbad

[ebon notch]

That's feels good wdym

What crit are you on

[hollow river]

I hit my ceiling around 51% ever since then my sims have taken it back down to 41-42 and 20% haste

[clever kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-weed-joint-marihuana-gif-18002627

[hollow river]

Mfd dashing gave me a solid +91 ST

[spice spire]

No stop this

Please

Enough raidbots

[clever kindle]

[hollow river]

So I’m running it for sylvie prog

[spice spire]

[clever kindle]

thinking about it though going full poison build would be the laziest shit to do almost the same damage

just offload all your damage into passive

[hollow river]

99% mastery build

[clever kindle]

Exsanguinate bleed/poison master poisoner build to juice frost procs

You only need 3 PI and an enhance sham to make it work

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

[clever kindle]

Look I got nothing else to do in this game except try weird builds right now until 9.1.5 hits

[cerulean nest]

like 48% right now

[ebon notch]

I get pushed to 50 with the tea

[cerulean nest]

oh yeah I could get more right now, but sims are forbidding me

[clever kindle]

Yeah anything over 45% crit has generally been not worth it for me

but im sure thats because im a necrolord and get free crit

[brazen zodiac]

I want a six day raiding guild wtf

Give me them fat psychopaths who raid 4 hours a day 6 days a week

[violet jackal]

nah I'm down for the 12 hour a day 6 days a week life

[brazen zodiac]

Those exist? Count me in

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

Fuck it

Raid until CE only piss breaks

If you die of starvation you weren't strong enough

[soft shale]

i did it for some years was actually way more comfy

raid 3 weeks then lay down

sadly nowadays its not that chill with alts and splits and everything

[static rock]

Do we run crimson tempest on painsmith?

[oak sky]

No

[kind talon]

CT on pain

ayaya

[static rock]

im a noob

i really didnt contemplate that in my mind before i asked it

[inland hull]

I'm too cheap for tomes, so the whole raid gets the same setup

If it works for Tarragrue it'll work for KT, right?

Guys?

[static rock]

for soulrender you run tempest

[kind talon]

[kind talon]

buy tomes / hearthstone / any teleportation / get a warlock / tell your GM to put down a codex

[hollow river]

Should I upgrade IQD for sylv prog

[subtle tundra]

last usage is always mana so its not that good

[kind talon]

@hollow river

yo

[hollow river]

Yo

[kind talon]

should i swap venthyr and make my return

?

[hollow river]

Yep

[kind talon]

[hollow river]

We’ve missed you

[kind talon]

cba parsing as outlaw

[hollow river]

Idk if I mind that too much

[kind talon]

chill on sin turn brain off?

[hollow river]

I’m having to help with chain dmg p1

Not hard assigned

[subtle tundra]

i mean

[hollow river]

Just like, try to hit the close groupings

[inland hull]

I'm feeling attacked, but you're not wrong

[spice spire]

Yes man

[hollow river]

I’ve seen some rogues doing decent chain dmg in comps similar to ours

[spice spire]

Also is that dekaichinpo top 20 outlaw rogue in the world?

[hollow river]

I feel like with all the down time etc my trinkets are Garbo for the fight

M Soulrender and M ocular

[subtle tundra]

there's 0 iqd logs on top 100 for assa

if you want chain/add dmg you play sub

[kind talon]

sin mains when u say its an easy spec

[hollow river]

Idc about the top 100

[kind talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585811174508068915.gif?size=96

[hollow river]

I’m progging

[subtle tundra]

so was i

[spice spire]

You’re not wrong tho

[subtle tundra]

tell your team to be better at doing chain dmg

youre assa

youre not gonna top it

[kind talon]

id be top10 if my guild didnt int every time i popped off

[spice spire]

It’s an easy spec

[kind talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585811174508068915.gif?size=96

[hollow river]

I’ve seen assa logs with 200k+ chain damage

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

It’s not about topping it

[kind talon]

yeah they prob getting PB on a full fucking stack bro

dont just look at the cahin dmg look at how they are doing it

also the comp, heavily depends

[hollow river]

I have

[kind talon]

like

i was doing good chain dmg every pull

then our enhance swapped ele

[subtle tundra]

there's no magic trick to do chain dmg as assa

[kind talon]

literally most useless spec i have ever seen

[oak sky]

Specs arent hard its about optimizing damage

:)

[kind talon]

all he does is pad fucking chains and adds

[spice spire]

If you’re sin and doing good chain damage

Kinda cring of your team

[subtle tundra]

its actually not padding tho

its important dmg

[oak sky]

I literally cant get chain damage

[kind talon]

[spice spire]

🧢

[oak sky]

Its impossible

[kind talon]

ur capping hard

[hollow river]

Our comp is kinda dog

[subtle tundra]

no?

[kind talon]

we wiped 45.6%

[subtle tundra]

chain and adds dying is important

[kind talon]

because he was ele

lol

[spice spire]

I literally SBS

[kind talon]

cba

[subtle tundra]

???????

nah

[spice spire]

Chains

[subtle tundra]

its not a dps check

sylvanas

there's so much minmaxing you can do

that you cant blame 1 person

that you wiped at 45.6%

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

youre just trying to blame 1 thing

instead of looking at more than that

[kind talon]

nah i looked at the logs i know the issues we had

trust

[subtle tundra]

i dont

[kind talon]

boomie got stunned by his venthyr cd during lust

[inland hull]

For real, we don't have an ele. Aren't they supposed to pump on chains and adds?

[kind talon]

mainly boomies job

[subtle tundra]

we literally have 2 hunters using wild spirits on the first set of chains

[inland hull]

No boomie either... damn we're bad

[subtle tundra]

its that important

[kind talon]

we have 3 boomies

yeah

ur right

but we have 3 boomies

so we dont need ele as well

[inland hull]

True

[subtle tundra]

thats just the first set

and intermission

other sets need to die fast aswell

ele is premium for that

[kind talon]

its decent ye

but definitely not worth just bringing ele for p1 when we can do it flawlessly without it

only reason he swapped off enhance was cause we had 7 melee

and RL wanted 6 max

[subtle tundra]

thats actually a very valid reason

[slow marsh]

kekw

most melee friendly raid in how long

[subtle tundra]

you lose a lot of dps from spreading in last phase

[slow marsh]

only brin 6 melee

[kind talon]

no

he wanted 6 melee because of veil baits in phase 1

had nothing to do with p3

lol

when he could have just assigned a melee to bait with ranged

i would have done it

[subtle tundra]

idk

it all seems like youre mad you lost wft

[spice spire]

That’s pretty 🧢

6.7k p3 damage pretty dog water on a kill

[kind talon]

lmao

ok man

we have 2 arms warriors

but ur right

its all about me

[subtle tundra]

youre the one crying about "pad" dmg on a class

its like saying ww monks do pad dmg on soulrender

[kind talon]

[spice spire]

I think the argument is p3 > p1 damage here

P3 damage lacking makes it a much harder kill

[kind talon]

we cleared it with him on enhance last week

completely fine

no issues

thats all

obviously boomie stunning himself during lust

[oak sky]

I can confirm hes mad about windfury but its also probably a dps gain for his group

[kind talon]

would have been a kill too lol

[oak sky]

A pretty big one

[spice spire]

The hance died on one and at 75% uptime did 5.4. Divide by four that’s close to same dps Plus it’s gain from wft

If it’s not needed p1 why go ele in a very melee friendly encounter

I get the argument

[kind talon]

and its wft on sylv burn too

it's fine im happy we were able to kill it tho

[spice spire]

But chalk it up to an L RL thanos snapped the parse

Unluckers

[kind talon]

lmao idc about my parse

im going colossus side

no shot i can parse

[spice spire]

Did more damage without WFT tho

Kinda

[kind talon]

ye cause im getting better

twice the amount of pulls

big gains

[spice spire]

5 buff check

[kind talon]

[subtle tundra]

like literally the dps "check" is so low in p3

[kind talon]

yeah ur right

my guild is failing it tho

[subtle tundra]

as long as you are used to the dance

cause p3 is a dance

[kind talon]

idk what to tell u

yeah thats true

[hollow river]

Farming this raid kinda gonna suck isn’t it

[kind talon]

depends

[subtle tundra]

just do 6/10 bosses after a couple of reclears

no painsmith/fatescribe/nerzhul

[kind talon]

😢 i need my vein ripper

[violet jackal]

I need my guardian trinket

[kind talon]

true champ

[inland hull]

Holy hell, I'm still trying to get AOTC. Teach me your ways!

[kind talon]

if u want help ppl can do log review

[spice spire]

Decaf ethical zoomer rogue

[brazen zodiac]

dude

[kind talon]

rank 17 outlaw overall damage rank 4 world boss damage

[brazen zodiac]

one of our 1%

pulls

[kind talon]

ethical as fuck

[brazen zodiac]

i would've been top 50

:(

[kind talon]

you CANNOT be more ethical

[brazen zodiac]

u and i both know

they gonna down em on the pull we die

:(

[kind talon]

gz

[spice spire]

Top boss damage world

!!!!

[kind talon]

fuck

hes right

[brazen zodiac]

I LIKE IT

[spice spire]

[kind talon]

who

???

[brazen zodiac]

makeitquak

who else

LUL

[spice spire]

I’m at work

[kind talon]

oh NO

he left it open

[spice spire]

I left it online at home

[brazen zodiac]

oh no

[spice spire]

I was running Keys until 11 and passed out

Got up at 4 for work

[brazen zodiac]

is 10k overall good damage

for a 21 NW

[spice spire]

A little low

[violet jackal]

check the leaderboards

[spice spire]

Because anima exhaust kinda broken

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i played like shit

who

oh

i never take those

cause im bad

[subtle tundra]

anima exhaust is the kyrian golem

not weapons

[brazen zodiac]

the blue orbs right?

oh

[spice spire]

Never use Goliath?

[kind talon]

[brazen zodiac]

im not kyrian

wait

do blue orbs come from it

[spice spire]

Yeah from the Goliath

[brazen zodiac]

listen i just throw on some pentakill album on full blast and zone out

[kind talon]

yes

[spice spire]

The huge brain strat is to grab Goliath and pull a fuck ton of trash onto it

[brazen zodiac]

lul

[spice spire]

Because anima exhaust does bookoo damage and heals aoe

[violet jackal]

10k not low on a 21

[spice spire]

So you’ll end the boss pull on like 24k

Or some shit

[violet jackal]

the number 1 and number 2 are 9563 and 8947.5

[spice spire]

Wcl ignores the weapons and stuff

So it’s not reflective of the damage shown by details or whatever you use

[violet jackal]

there a button to unfilter

neither broke 10

[subtle tundra]

dude...

[balmy condor]

Active time vs total time

[subtle tundra]

the warcraft log dps is all dmg during key

[balmy condor]

Part 862891

[subtle tundra]

not combat

[spice spire]

Also yeah

[brazen zodiac]

wahts the average tho

[kind talon]

average what

[brazen zodiac]

like average overall that u would see

[kind talon]

uptime?

that can simply be calculated by the number of melee hits divided by the swing timer

[brazen zodiac]

like 10.5k-11k

oh

i think we're on different pages

or maybe im still half asleep

probably both

[kind talon]

a good NW overall is probably like

11k<

[spice spire]

Yeah you’re not like at FUCK THATS GARBAGE DAMAGE. You’re at

Yeah you’ll time it damage

[kind talon]

but could do more

for sure

[brazen zodiac]

for sure

[subtle tundra]

depends on what weapons you use

[brazen zodiac]

i just

[spice spire]

But probably improvement on route or whatever

[brazen zodiac]

idk

im def not using

shiv enough

[balmy condor]

Simply

[subtle tundra]

i've had keys where i use first spear on first boss with 20 adds

[brazen zodiac]

dont u ct regardless of pack count

[subtle tundra]

so i did mega dps

[brazen zodiac]

like 3 targets

[kind talon]

ye

ct 2+

[subtle tundra]

ct 1+

[kind talon]

and depending on leggo u ct 1

outside of shiv window

[brazen zodiac]

so 4 gar then shiv then ct ?

i use obedience

lul

[kind talon]

garrote 1234 fok ct

shiv

fok rup fok rup fok rup

[subtle tundra]

instead of fok, use flag

[kind talon]

etc

[brazen zodiac]

why fok if ur already at 4 combo points

[kind talon]

poisons

:)

[brazen zodiac]

cant u just ct then fok

meh guess it doesnt matter

[subtle tundra]

ct gets poisons too

its 4 garrotes flag ct

[kind talon]

makes sense

[spice spire]

Muscle brah showed me the way

[gusty mirage]

what’s this degeneracy I’m seeing in here

[kind talon]

my follower alert is garrote 123

[gusty mirage]

GARRET 1. GARRET 2

[brazen zodiac]

we still shiv off cd right

[kind talon]

garret 3 garret 4

[gusty mirage]

Correct

[kind talon]

now what you gonna wanna do is CT crimson tempest

[brazen zodiac]

even if we're not envenoming the primary target that has the shiv on it

?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[kind talon]

yes

[brazen zodiac]

whts the purpose of tht

[gusty mirage]

It increases poison damage

[brazen zodiac]

oh

kk

[spice spire]

#off-topic message

[gusty mirage]

Stonks

[gusty mirage]

Why do you have everything saved?

[brazen zodiac]

yeah im sure if i try i could easily get like 11k

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

whats the highest people get tho

im guessin like 12kish or 13k max

specifically for sin

[kind talon]

probably like

14k

idk tho

[brazen zodiac]

damn i suck

[spice spire]

Seli posted a 13.8 with deathspike

[kind talon]

if u have buffs

ye

14k make sense

[spice spire]

So I assume he’s wildin in keys

[brazen zodiac]

im ventyhr so idk

[kind talon]

while ding

[ebon notch]

what we talking about

[brazen zodiac]

i can sleep on 11k

dps in keys

21

[spice spire]

I actually just have the video on my phone for safekeeping

[ebon notch]

oh

[kind talon]

nw overall dps

[ebon notch]

thats really hard to judge

depends on the dps of the group

[kind talon]

maximum

[brazen zodiac]

yeah for sure

[ebon notch]

in NW minimum should be 12k

really

[kind talon]

vitalitas asked max possible dps

[spice spire]

11.8

[ebon notch]

because anima exhaust is so fucking busted

[kind talon]

would say 11k +

sometimes you get 0 weapons

[ebon notch]

you dont need weapons tbh

[spice spire]

It depends on pathing and what not

[brazen zodiac]

i never get weapons

and i still do 10k so

idk

[ebon notch]

to do 12k

[kind talon]

yeah

[brazen zodiac]

if that makes a big difference

[kind talon]

ofc

[spice spire]

I got orbs once

Changed my life

[ebon notch]

although i would play sub in that dungeon not outlaw or assa

so that could make a difference

[brazen zodiac]

sin all da way baby

[ebon notch]

the pulls you do in that key

sub is just to good

[brazen zodiac]

im gonna learn sub eventually

[ebon notch]

but in 21s anything works so

[brazen zodiac]

i think i got the bis ring from the NW for sub

[kind talon]

outlaw goated for final boss

[brazen zodiac]

its the one with crit heavy vers right?

[kind talon]

its unreal

just hook

kekw

[ebon notch]

bis ring is the sanguine depths ring

[brazen zodiac]

which one

[ebon notch]

crit heavy crit/vers

[brazen zodiac]

the butterfly lookin one?

[ebon notch]

its like 150 crit 100 vers or smth

[spice spire]

Hooking across the entire platform

[ebon notch]

i tried to bladestorm the grip on last boss

he took me anyway

[halcyon zealot]

yes lol

[kind talon]

👏

[brazen zodiac]

i figured these two rings

would be the best

[kind talon]

👍

wheres ur sylv ring

[spice spire]

Dagger connoisseur

[kind talon]

kekL

259

[gusty mirage]

Yo what is your bag

Wtf

[brazen zodiac]

wheres my

sylv

ring

?

[violet jackal]

looks gross

[gusty mirage]

Reeeeee

[kind talon]

wheres your 259 sylvring

@brazen zodiac

lol

[spice spire]

Don’t bully vita

[brazen zodiac]

smd

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

LISTEN DECAF

NEXT WEEK

[spice spire]

She’s gotta kill pain first

😛

[gusty mirage]

Prog check?

[halcyon zealot]

ma’am y do u have 3 pairs of bracers

[brazen zodiac]

we down him on monday

[kind talon]

u have 2 mil?

[brazen zodiac]

they're different peices of fear

gear

i just save all my gear i get from dungeons

[spice spire]

I’m being pulled xrealm next week

[brazen zodiac]

in case its good for outlaw or sub

when i start playing

[spice spire]

Hoping to help them prog

[gusty mirage]

Join my suffering

[violet jackal]

by who?>

[kind talon]

oh sheesh

[spice spire]

Guild I ran mythic with in CN

[gusty mirage]

And stream it so @kind talon can come into your stream and make fun of you like he does to me

[kind talon]

imagine if u guys supported me

[spice spire]

Yeah sure I won’t have to be doing calls

[kind talon]

nah

no where to be found

[gusty mirage]

Imagine if you didn’t stream at 2am on a weekday

[spice spire]

Outlaw supremacy can’t support

[kind talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585811174508068915.gif?size=96

[gusty mirage]

[violet jackal]

why are you both not tags in the streaming channel? @gusty mirage @kind talon

[spice spire]

Also that

[kind talon]

8pm pst

????

[gusty mirage]

Yeah bro that’s 11pm est

[kind talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585811174508068915.gif?size=96

[gusty mirage]

Ya boys got work at 7am

[kind talon]

GG

[spice spire]

10 PM CST for someone who gets up at 4

[balmy condor]

Cause they aren’t live

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I finish raid at 11:30 and knock out

[kind talon]

[violet jackal]

oh it only shows active streams? and then deletes when they are offline?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[kind talon]

ye

[violet jackal]

oooo

[brazen zodiac]

hi whisypr

[violet jackal]

smart bot

[brazen zodiac]

i hope ur day goes swell

[balmy condor]

Well…..

[kind talon]

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

same tho

[gusty mirage]

Excuse me?

[slow marsh]

EXCEPT NOT YOU

You waved

much support

much loved

in fact im just trying to be more like you @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

Oh that’s easy, just be bad at the game dude

[slow marsh]

!! not even

[spice spire]

How to support your homies:

[gusty mirage]

I’m a literal trash can, def not top 26 in the world at anything

[spice spire]

Step one: promise them you’ll run some stuff with them

Step 2: only run one disaster run with them

[gusty mirage]

Except being toxic to quake, I’m #1 at that

[spice spire]

Step 3: ?????? Profit

@gusty mirage confirm?

[gusty mirage]

Can confirm

You helped out with that top 🙂

It was much appreciated

[slow marsh]

LMAO who cares about top 26

[gusty mirage]

@kind talon

[spice spire]

Glad I could help the homie out at 3 in the am

[gusty mirage]

I got the painsmith gloves but worse from the weekly

Mine had avoidance

[spice spire]

He’s top 18 actually

[slow marsh]

Yo look at these mythic parses though

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/proudmoore/icebladesx#difficulty=5&metric=hps

Kinda nutty

[brazen zodiac]

i thought that was dps for a second

almost spit out my chocolate milk

[slow marsh]

na my deeps needs work for sure

[polar sinew]

hello someone can tell me the stats for multi and for mono pls ? with talents.
bcs what i found is kinda old i think and im not sure it's the good build ....

[kind talon]

Yo

[dim mural]

what uptime should i sim ocular gland on?

[gusty mirage]

80% is probably more accurate

[spice spire]

This is covered in the guides

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[polar sinew]

don't remember who told me that but someone said that's old and not accurate with our patch now :/

bcs apparently it's crit>haste>mastery>versa now

not haste crit

[subtle tundra]

crit bcs frost set

[spice spire]

It’s crit > haste > other two are about even in single target due to the frost set.
Unholy set would still be fine on that,
For m+ it’s crit > mastery > haste > vers

[ebon notch]

what are you wr 26 on

[oak sky]

Try 95

[slow marsh]

I mean stats don't really matter you can just top gear everything and it'll tell you

[spice spire]

As usual, you should sim

But that’s a loose guideline

Haste drops in priority with more targets as your venomous wounds will give you more energy with more ruptures + garrotes

[polar sinew]

tf am i on a DK serv ? xd
i stopped to play before the release of the new raid btw ^^"

[oak sky]

Tbh for m+ i feel like its crit >mastery>=haste>=vers

All the stats feel impactful

[spice spire]

You’re not wrong, ag. It’s crit is king, have a nice mix of other stats

[oak sky]

Haste for low target mastery for high target vers for some damage and general survivability

[spice spire]

For ST frost you want crit >>>>>>>> haste > the other two mix evenish

[kind talon]

yuh

my little cuties

[slow marsh]

yuh

[kind talon]

so knowledgeable

[oak sky]

Tbh i think avoidance is first stat priority

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

Learned it from ramfam

[spice spire]

My little pumper

[slow marsh]

so knowledgeable

[gusty mirage]

Being bad

[ebon notch]

pog

[kind talon]

pog

[slow marsh]

pog

Yo I heard @kind talon was climbing the sin rankings as kyrian

[kind talon]

i might aswap ventyr

[kind talon]

mythic would have been too easy

i would have gotten rank 1 just by existing

[slow marsh]

True

[kind talon]

literally

theres like 10 people

lmao

i killed one boss and im rank 63

[slow marsh]

I would be down to do it but I've talked so much ish about a frost mage that is Necro in my guild that I feel it wouldn't go too well

Even as a meme

[kind talon]

wdym

kyrian sin?

[slow marsh]

Ye

[kind talon]

nah dont

feels like dogshit to play

no cap

[slow marsh]

I'm sure it is

Just like kyrian outlaw

[spice spire]

Kyrian sin actual dog water

[kind talon]

dog water

[spice spire]

Stick to sub and outlaw

[slow marsh]

Na I'm a venthyr loyalist

[kind talon]

@spice spire dogwater but we out here tho

if i get venthyr on painsmith im telling u

we will rise as sin

[slow marsh]

Should go NF. Talk about free

[spice spire]

Venthyr painsmith r1 gaming

[kind talon]

fuck off

[spice spire]

Dekai about to be r1 sin and top 25 outlul

[kind talon]

wasnt there a dude in here for a bit that was nightfae

[gusty mirage]

Did someone say painsmith?

[kind talon]

no shot i hit rank 1 sin

lmao

[gusty mirage]

Got my 92 and never doing that boss again

[kind talon]

actually no shot

[gusty mirage]

No thanks

[slow marsh]

We decided to extend so we do pain tonight instead of reclear

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

🙂

[spice spire]

I saw your kill count

You’re good homie

[slow marsh]

True you gotta beat me first

[kind talon]

do u have the eye gloves yet

ice

[gusty mirage]

Any 239 shoulder enjoyers in chat?

[kind talon]

dont test me

[slow marsh]

I would get higher outlaw than decaf gets sin bet

[kind talon]

?????

dont test me

[spice spire]

246 sorry peasant

[gusty mirage]

Actual gabagool spec

[slow marsh]

True

Free-est parses tbh

[spice spire]

“Literally plays itself”

[gusty mirage]

Shouldn’t be too hard. Just reroll bad 1 buffs

Win the game

[fleet anchor]

I'm just chilling on my ranking attempts at this point, I feel like with no M Sylv dagger, no M trinket and a few other items.. it's like impossible. I sim a full 1-1.2k below 🤣
This tier is wild

[kind talon]

u guys are actually fried

[kind talon]

this is extremely true

[slow marsh]

Bro look at my outlaw

[kind talon]

:D

[gusty mirage]

Wdym shards are a great system

[fleet anchor]

I'll wait until the last couple weeks of 9.1.5 then blast when I finally get a drop in 5 months or so

[kind talon]

i looked

and?

[slow marsh]

I learned it for funsies and I'm higher outlaw in heroic than I am sin

[gusty mirage]

I love having to full reclear for 2 months to upgrade a set to r5

It’s fun

I’m having fun

[kind talon]

no one cares about heroic

[slow marsh]

True

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

I care about heroic

[slow marsh]

But my guild is stuck on painsmith so

[gusty mirage]

It’s a good baseline to see if someone’s understanding the raid

[spice spire]

Time to unstick

Once painsmith is good

[kind talon]

true

[spice spire]

You’re 9/10 essentially

Ez

[gusty mirage]

Have you tried just killing him? @slow marsh that worked for us

[kind talon]

quake

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[kind talon]

should i go

[gusty mirage]

Oh sweet child

[kind talon]

necro

or venthyr

[slow marsh]

I try my hardest

[kind talon]

[slow marsh]

But my guild doesn't want to

[spice spire]

My heart says Necro

But it’s venthyr

[gusty mirage]

Just 18 man it like we did

[kind talon]

are you sure about that

[slow marsh]

You're not helping!

[spice spire]

Yes man

[kind talon]

what if i still want to play out law

[fleet anchor]

Necro is fun but I do wish I was Venthyr on a number of bosses for parsing purposes. 9.1.5 can't come soon enough tbh

[gusty mirage]

I’ve bullied him enough about it

He’s sure

[kind talon]

fuck

[slow marsh]

Venth outlaw is poggers

[kind talon]

which bosses

[spice spire]

You can still play venthyr outlaw yeah

[kind talon]

guardaina

?

[fleet anchor]

Probably Painsmith too

[kind talon]

painsmiff raznok?

[spice spire]

Guardian, pain, remnant, fatescribe, eye

[kind talon]

tbh

i think venthyr is better for most now

because of mfd

utilization

[slow marsh]

Ye

[fleet anchor]

Remnant was good for SBS but not so much now actually because of Frost set being dumdum

[kind talon]

[kind talon]

orbs dont give resets tho

[spice spire]

Pretty much ye koji

[slow marsh]

Venth also prios crit already so synergy with frost set

[fleet anchor]

Yeah but you get a lot of free CP and damage

[kind talon]

i c

[spice spire]

Still let’s you get some free damage yeah

[fleet anchor]

But you have to roll the dice on if you get frost procs

On DR orbs

which is fail

So mostly now I don't touch them

So my value from Necro is reduced 😦

[kind talon]

u dont touch them?

wtf

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

isnt it free energy

[fleet anchor]

It's really not worth the potential frost proc loss

[slow marsh]

^

[fleet anchor]

Losing 18-28k damage randomly is big sad

[spice spire]

You live and die by the frost procs

[kind talon]

yeah

true

[inland hull]

Parses aside, how does mfd feel on ST? Haven't tried it yet. Slotting it into flag window for stacks, yeah?

[fleet anchor]

Really wish frost used your current target

[gusty mirage]

Ptr obedience would’ve made you feel better about returning to sinfall

[slow marsh]

MfD feels just like Bs ds

[kind talon]

very very good with obedience

[slow marsh]

Minus the ambush

[kind talon]

from what ive heard and seen

[slow marsh]

It's Pog with dashing

[kind talon]

seeing the 30 stack flag

is nutty

[fleet anchor]

Nutty like both Outlaw and Sub have always done 😄

[spice spire]

30 stack flag on sin

[slow marsh]

I'm still sad about this

[fleet anchor]

All hail low APM spec

[kind talon]

minus outlaw

then yes

lol

[slow marsh]

I get 30 stacks often on outlaw

[kind talon]

outlaw does not get guaranteed 30 stack

sub essentially does

[spice spire]

Without mfd it’s a no shot 30 stack

[kind talon]

when you hold dances

[slow marsh]

Outlaw always has mfd

[kind talon]

flag is a 12 second window

[fleet anchor]

I mean maybe for the haters that don't play MfD on Outlaw.

[kind talon]

mfd on outlaw is like an average

idk

20 something second

so u dont always have it for flag

on god

no kyap

no kizzy

[fleet anchor]

Shockingly many Outlaw players don't use it though because it's too hard or something, idk 🤣

[slow marsh]

Just roll

[kind talon]

yeah and guess what koji

that makes outlaw look bad

[slow marsh]

That's what I mean

[kind talon]

cause ppl play the spec wrong, literally sandbag outlaw logs to the bottom of the raid

[slow marsh]

Outlaw parses are free

[kind talon]

and then

[kind talon]

blue and purple are somewhat free

have to play well to parse orange pink yello

[fleet anchor]

And then

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TGJz39grHaVwMcyX#fight=41&type=damage-done

[kind talon]

fuck that log

[gusty mirage]

Mad

[fleet anchor]

🤣

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

actually triggers me

this motherfucker

[slow marsh]

Just roll better

[kind talon]

makes parsing guardian impossible

[fleet anchor]

hahaha

[kind talon]

55.5% broadsides

????????????????

the FUCK?

[fleet anchor]

Just roll better

[gusty mirage]

Just get a kyrian Druid simp? Hello?

[kind talon]

bro

the boss PARRIED my rtb

[gusty mirage]

Did he?

[kind talon]

yes

noc ap

[gusty mirage]

Just slapped the dice away huh

[kind talon]

yes

bro

[fleet anchor]

wut

[slow marsh]

Cursed spec

[kind talon]

vihoo got 55% broadside 52% true bearing

and sub 20% grand melee

[slow marsh]

And I have to play it all night

[kind talon]

he deserves a round of applause tbh

[fleet anchor]

Honestly, if I got Painsmith weapon I'd maybe tinker with playing some Outlaw since Assassination and Outlaw gear sets are nearly identical other than the MH weapon

But weapons never drop

[kind talon]

meh

if u have skyja

[gusty mirage]

Just loot the item

[kind talon]

or pox

its fine

[gusty mirage]

????

[spice spire]

True

[kind talon]

oh man i have a good one for u guys

ready?

[slow marsh]

I have 246 pox and just got heroic fister

[gusty mirage]

I feel like you’re going to share it whether we say yes or no

[fleet anchor]

Our last two Mythic kills of Painsmith

5 rings

smh

[kind talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/887562990910586881/895771669728210984/image0.png

[gusty mirage]

Doesn’t the new loot system FEEL so good?

[kind talon]

@gusty mirage

[kind talon]

true

[soft shale]

we may begin a relief fund for eye trinkets

every time we get like 3

who needs dom socket geat anyways

[kind talon]

eye trinket koinda goated for sin

[gusty mirage]

I'll take my phial and guardian trinket instead

ty tho

[alpine latch]

Killed heroic Eye every single week and I've only seen a single leather glove drop off of it. It went to someone who quit the next week... Meanwhile, my alt got it their first run (along with EoN)

[kind talon]

sorry but i think the eye trinket is better than phial for some ppl

lole

[gusty mirage]

not the case for me even w/ 100% uptime

[fleet anchor]

I mean Eye trinket is fine but at this point I think most raid groups have gotten enough drops to give 2 to everyone 🤣

[kind talon]

i dont have one yet

[gusty mirage]

[fleet anchor]

lol we get like 2-3 every week

[gusty mirage]

we gave one to our tank for offspec

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

that's how many we get

[placid pagoda]

Done over 70+ PF runs yet to see a Phial

[fleet anchor]

I've personally already gotten 3 of them

Never gloves

RIP

[gusty mirage]

@placid pagoda I get nothing but the phial now that I already have it

[fleet anchor]

Chests and Eyes

[gusty mirage]

vendored one last night actually

[placid pagoda]

Just crush my soul

[gusty mirage]

just run with me

I gotchu

[soft shale]

funny thing is they still havent dropped with avo or leech

weirdly enough

i would jump at their bones

[glass root]

guys quick question oils or stone ap for raid?

[kind talon]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[fallen arch]

Got leech in vault pog

[soft shale]

i still lack many pieces with leech

if i could get any of the top rings with leech that have crit mastery

[fallen arch]

Then..

You’ll be happy?

[slow marsh]

how

[soft shale]

happier

[kind talon]

leech what

[soft shale]

eye trink

[kind talon]

poga

[gusty mirage]

well you see

the phial and 252 guardian trinket

just do more damage

that's typically how that occurs

[slow marsh]

o

252 guardian

[gusty mirage]

you silly goose

[fallen arch]

Phial

[slow marsh]

you say how trash you are so much that i forget you are on sylvanas

[gusty mirage]

trash people can be on sylvanas

[kind talon]

thats pog

[slow marsh]

then why am i not on it

[kind talon]

oh sheesh 252 guardian trinket

wow

fuck you

[kind talon]

idk man

wonder why

[gusty mirage]

mad

[kind talon]

bad

[gusty mirage]

with a 252 guardian trinket

[kind talon]

ill get higher wr sin than u next week

just u wait

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/666320711731773441.png?v=1

[gusty mirage]

congrats man

tha tmust mean you're a great player

[kind talon]

sorry

[gusty mirage]

I hope you do

truly

[kind talon]

i didnt realize that you

went straight to sylv prog

i take it back

jesus christ im setting a low bar for myself

[gusty mirage]

did I go straight to sylv prog?

[kind talon]

ye

no reclears

[subtle tundra]

💀

[kind talon]

i have like

[fallen arch]

Doesn’t every guild after pain?

[kind talon]

so much more boss xp than u

[gusty mirage]

pretty sure I was there for remnant, soulrender, painsmith, guardian, fate, and KT prog

but you right

"straight to sylv prog"

[kind talon]

nah im not flaming

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/839224416943865856.png?v=1

i have like 10x reclears???

[gusty mirage]

nice dude

you're sick

[kind talon]

bro

nvm

man

im not even trying to flame

u just make me sounds like a cock

[dense hamlet]

that is so awkward

[gusty mirage]

nah you're doing that on your own fam

[fallen arch]

[kind talon]

no shot

sigh

it always goes wrong

[dense hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

you have 17 more kills than me in mythic

"10x reclears"

[kind talon]

i was referring to later bosses

and exaggerating

but i have like 6x kills on painsmith

etc

[hollow river]

Spread the

[gusty mirage]

yeah I don't plan on playing outlaw, and can't trade the weapon

why would they bring me?

[kind talon]

im not trying to flame man

u cant improve rank and parse if u dont kill the boss

obviously i can improve every week if i kill it every week

[gusty mirage]

I think a 92 prog kill on painsmith is purty good

[kind talon]

yeah its good

better than mine

i had like a 86

im sorry

[ebon notch]

oxi

you know what he meant

lmao

he's a cock by nature, just gotta give him some leeway

he already put like 3 crying pepe emojis

[slow marsh]

why not 4

[ebon notch]

cause then it loses value

[vital tapir]

don't leave it at 3

[fallen arch]

Oxi giving him the silent treatment

[faint harness]

KEEP IT PACKED IN BOI, COME BACK WHEN YOU ARE SINCERE

[kind talon]

oxi just wants to watch me squirm

[ebon notch]

oxi furiously doing log review

gonna come back and shit on dekai

[fallen arch]

No

He prob just doesn’t care

[hollow river]

Anyone here tried Obe on sylv?

[ebon notch]

ye

felt like i was playing outlaw

[ebon notch]

bruh dont be like that

[fallen arch]

Like what?

[hollow river]

Huh

[ebon notch]

lots of buttons to press

lots of resets

very stressful

[hollow river]

How lmao

[ebon notch]

he didnt mean to piss you off

[hollow river]

I’ve been running mfd dashing

It’s nice

[ebon notch]

cause its a stressful fight on prog when trying to snipe as many resets as possible

[hollow river]

But I feel like Obe would be a better dmg profile for the fight

[ebon notch]

try it

[hollow river]

Maybe get a third use in p1?