assassination

[alpine latch]

Fuck no

[hollow river]

How u gonna get that 252 then

[brazen zodiac]

I do them

Cayse I hate myself

[upbeat needle]

I got like 4 252 weapons for outlaw, 252 daggers and that gear n shit a mf chillin til 9.2

[alpine latch]

I don't care about it

[hollow river]

My literal only upgrades from keys from vault is 252 phial

[alpine latch]

The dagger can go f itself

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

Honestly it takes like 20 minutes to do mista

[spice spire]

I actually love keys

[brazen zodiac]

Mists

Can get that shit done in like 4 hours

[alpine latch]

I do more keys on my alt rogue than I do on my main

[upbeat needle]

I just log on to do the 20s with my push group

and raid

[brazen zodiac]

I wanna do 20a

20s

[hollow river]

Same with halls 15

[brazen zodiac]

But im so lazy

[upbeat needle]

If I was 244 I'd still do my 10 a week prob

[brazen zodiac]

Yeah halls?

I hate halls so much lold

[alpine latch]

I can also do 4 hours of things I want to do, not things I feel obligated to do.

[upbeat needle]

TRUE

[hollow river]

I hate mists lol

[upbeat needle]

mists a blaster dungeon man how do you hate mists

[alpine latch]

I'm fine farming keys for major upgrades. I'm not fine farming keys for a slot machine on Tuesday

[brazen zodiac]

My boyfriend says the same thing Palmer.

[hollow river]

Idk bro do u raid mythic yet?

[alpine latch]

My main rogue right now is on a server I have no friends on

[brazen zodiac]

I get it but meh. I still consider it an upgrade because there's a possibility to get that 252, but it sucks.

[alpine latch]

So I play my alt more

And roll with my friends

[hollow river]

Cause that’d get most of us sat prolly

[brazen zodiac]

Server transfer not an option?

[lavish lichen]

Game is basically unplayable without friends rn imo

[alpine latch]

I do. I'm literally the #1 DPS in my guild. We're just getting into Mythic, though

[upbeat needle]

me 6/10M

[alpine latch]

We went Horde together, they went back to Alliance.

[brazen zodiac]

Congrats trench

[upbeat needle]

finally man

[brazen zodiac]

Pogchamp

[upbeat needle]

but guess what Baddie

[hollow river]

Gratz bro

[brazen zodiac]

We downing pain tonight

For sure

[upbeat needle]

we didn't extend to do Guardian

we recleared last night

[brazen zodiac]

Got it to 1% so many times

Lmfao

[upbeat needle]

and redoing Painsmith again because new trials

😦

[hollow river]

We extended after pain

[upbeat needle]

I wanted to

extend

so fucking bad

[brazen zodiac]

That's awful we saved a lockout the week I got my bis from soulrender

[hollow river]

Because we downed fate same week I think

We’re on Sylvanas now

[lavish lichen]

This has to be the longest tier?

[upbeat needle]

we have lockout for guardian on an alt

[lavish lichen]

Unless 9.1.5 is gonna be 2 weeks

[upbeat needle]

just incase painsmith is headache tonight

[alpine latch]

Dude it's been 3 months... lol

[upbeat needle]

we go straight to guardian on tuesday and kill that in a night

[hollow river]

Last tier was longest ever

[lavish lichen]

Sorry not yet

But on track to be

I mean

Words are hard

[alpine latch]

Y'all dramatic af

[hollow river]

Nah

[alpine latch]

Worse than me

[brazen zodiac]

Guardian shouldn't take more than 20 pulls yeah?

40 max?

[upbeat needle]

if it takes 40 pulls we're bad

[hollow river]

Depends on your guild but yeah

[gusty mirage]

Pretty sure nylotha was longer, but it was long af

[upbeat needle]

I'm expecting 20

ish

[subtle tundra]

its gonna be the longest 2nd tier of an expansion

[hollow river]

Guardian took us 32ish

[lavish lichen]

I mean I’m just saying next week is 4 mo ths

[hollow river]

But fate took us less

Lmao

[upbeat needle]

how

[lavish lichen]

And we dont even have date for 9.1.5

[upbeat needle]

fatescribe looks dogshit man

[gusty mirage]

Fate’s just about people not dying to dumb shit

[alpine latch]

What would you rather have? Every tier be 6ish months or the final tier be 12 months?

[subtle tundra]

we had more guardian pulls on 2nd reclear than on kill

[upbeat needle]

that's every boss Oxi

😉

[gusty mirage]

Once you get to p3 with everyone it’s free

[upbeat needle]

pretty much painsmith

p3 free

just don't die to intermission

[gusty mirage]

Nah you can kill the first 5 with 3 people dead easily

[subtle tundra]

its gonna be more than 6 months buddy

[upbeat needle]

Man

I played horrible on painsmith

[alpine latch]

Sure, but I'm okay with it if it means the final tier isn't 10+ months

[upbeat needle]

180 pulls or some shit I wanted to break my monitor

[gusty mirage]

We essentially 18 manned painsmith because our lock and spriest were doing tank damage and dying every pull

[alpine latch]

I think 5-6 months for a raid tier is fine, personally

[subtle tundra]

ah so you'd rather have constant 8-9 months

[upbeat needle]

terrible

[hollow river]

CE seems free this tier almost

[alpine latch]

No, I think 5-6 months is the sweet spot, as I just said

[gusty mirage]

Not as free as nzoth

[subtle tundra]

but there's 0 chance of that in sl

[alpine latch]

Anything less than 4 months seems like it's too short

[slow marsh]

i think they lack the creative direction to be able to do content every 4 months

but that would be ideal

[hollow river]

Yeah I’ve heard

[slow marsh]

4 month cycles

[upbeat needle]

them 10 month draughts at the end of the expansion really be killin ya boy vibe tho

[alpine latch]

If it were 4-month cycles, we'd need smaller raids IMO

probably 6-8 bosses

Instead of 10

[upbeat needle]

they should do more mini raids imo

in between tiers

[gusty mirage]

Please no

[subtle tundra]

has there ever been a 4 month tier? maybe emerald nightmare but that was only bcs of shit balance

[slow marsh]

8 bosses would be fine tbh

[gusty mirage]

No more crucible

[hollow river]

I like 10 bosses

[alpine latch]

Emerald Nightmare was what, 2 months?

[slow marsh]

look at this tier for example

fate and guardian are joke bosses

[alpine latch]

Trial of Valor was 2 months

[gusty mirage]

They pigeon holed themselves into 10 bosses with the vault

[spice spire]

People forget that 5.4 was over a year long

[slow marsh]

take them out and you have 8 boss raid that's solid

[hollow river]

I also don’t mind long tiers but I’m new to the game as of CN

[upbeat needle]

tru

[spice spire]

The problem with timing is this is the third long tier in a row

[subtle tundra]

but they can just change the numbers on the vault

[spice spire]

Idt how long 8.2 was

[upbeat needle]

these are facts

[subtle tundra]

literally inconsequential

[spice spire]

But 8.3 to now

[gusty mirage]

And break like 8 things in the process

[upbeat needle]

nya and CN were so fucking long

[gusty mirage]

🍝 code

[upbeat needle]

I mean COVID played a part in it I guess but like

man

holy fuck

[gusty mirage]

June until January

[spice spire]

I should say 8.3 to 9.2 is going to be over 24 months

[slow marsh]

that's half an xpac

[gusty mirage]

Then we had nylotha

[spice spire]

And that needs a lot of content to remain relevant

[subtle tundra]

as long as we dont have raid tiers during shit timings, i dont care
cn during christmas
sod during summer

[slow marsh]

yeah idk i started playing again in January so i dont even have the bfa feels

and it's already annoying to me

[spice spire]

8.2-beginning of 9.2 30 months ish ig

[gusty mirage]

I just need 9.2 to suck too so I can cancel my sub and be free of this game

[upbeat needle]

summer isn't bad

christmas tho

was fucking ridiculous

[spice spire]

Nah

Ur slaved

Sorry king

[hollow river]

Nono

[subtle tundra]

i fucked my guild bad cause of vacations xd

[upbeat needle]

I just wanna get my first CE this tier and quit the game

[hollow river]

Not allowed

[gusty mirage]

Nah fam. Get my first CE in serious prog since wrath and ride off into the sunset

[upbeat needle]

THAT'S THE MF SPIRIT

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

This is gonna be my first CE too but like

[spice spire]

Gotta down p1 first

[upbeat needle]

https://tenor.com/view/django-unchained-riding-into-the-sunset-lets-ride-gif-10023600

[hollow river]

I want to keep getting better

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Soon

[spice spire]

Yes brother

[hollow river]

Are you on the Queen too?

Yeah I are aren’t u

[gusty mirage]

Ye just pulled her for the first time last night

[hollow river]

We talked about this earlier

[gusty mirage]

30 pulls 85.3%

[hollow river]

Same

3 more hrs tn

[gusty mirage]

Idk if we’re extending or reclearing

We have an alt with a guardian lockout

So we’re thinking we reclear guardian, fate, and KT

[hollow river]

Bro reclearing painsmith after CE with trials is gonna be aids

[subtle tundra]

you should extend if you care in the slightest about world ranks

[gusty mirage]

239 shoulders still btw

[hollow river]

I got KT shoulders Monday night 🙂

[gusty mirage]

Idk if they do or don’t. They seem more inclined to just make the boss as easy as possible

[hollow river]

Damage isn’t the issue

[gusty mirage]

Which more gear would in theory help with

[subtle tundra]

get more boomies if you want it as easy as possible

[hollow river]

We phased her with like 3/4 of the raid dead

[gusty mirage]

Ye sylv is honestly just surviving and maximizing the safe moments from what I’ve experienced

I need to find some WA timers though because I got wrecked by some veils

[subtle tundra]

i kinda hate that there's no dps checks this raid -.-

[viscid spear]

I still have a 226 OH and belt

[upbeat needle]

this raid is literally just

[gusty mirage]

Not a fan of KT either huh?

[hollow river]

I can share you the ones we use when I get home if you like

[gusty mirage]

[upbeat needle]

"HOLD DPS"

[gusty mirage]

[upbeat needle]

"HOLD DPS"

"GUYS SERIOUSLY STOP" wipe

[subtle tundra]

it got better after 2 reclears

[gusty mirage]

“Dear Ion we hate STOP DPS bosses”

[subtle tundra]

0 stop on painsmith, 0 stops on fatescribe, 0 stops on guardian

[gusty mirage]

“Hold my beer, here’s 6 of them this tier you fucks”

[subtle tundra]

0 stops on kt

[gusty mirage]

Remnant’s boss design is actually grief

More damage makes the boss harder

[upbeat needle]

tarra too

[hollow river]

We stopped on painsmith p1

For the milk

[subtle tundra]

wat

[upbeat needle]

well except for when you get fucking strangulated and lose your anima powers 😦

[subtle tundra]

maybe if you have shit dps, but if you have good dps there should be 0 stops whatsoever

[sterile badge]

hi guys, I'm new to rogues, wanted to ask if there is any significant difference in race dps output (pve), i would play alliance

[subtle tundra]

boss healths just drops in p3

[hollow river]

We only have our prog kill man

[upbeat needle]

play night elf u get some crit man dats about it

[subtle tundra]

thats why i said after 2 reclears

[upbeat needle]

yea we ain't stop dps on painsmith

fucking REMNANT THO?

man

[gusty mirage]

Mechagnome is bis for damage technically

[subtle tundra]

i wonder when we will do the full burn boss on sylvanas p1

[gusty mirage]

But then you run around as a diaper baby with robot legs

[subtle tundra]

cause its getting boring to stop dps for a minute

[gusty mirage]

It’s a trade off

[upbeat needle]

man me and the new rogue got yelled at for doing DPS on remnant when we were called to stop

like dawg I can't just take my bleeds off

[hollow river]

P1 seems to be centered around maximizing uptime

We’re progging with 8 melee

[sterile badge]

interesting point of view, you are not wrong at all

[alpine latch]

Part of why I hate m+ on Sin is because of that. I stop early... Other people don't and they stop at like 2% and then I look like the asshole because my bleeds/poison are still on them

[hollow river]

Why are you stopping dps in m+?

[sinful cradle]

God i love extending bursting stacks

Especially with bleeds

[alpine latch]

Bursting, bolstering...

Lots of reasons

Why aren't you?

[violet jackal]

the difference between the best race to worst race is 100dps play what you want

[hollow river]

We just go in and nuke everything

[sinful cradle]

Just blame other dps classes

Cant stop dem bleeds

[alpine latch]

lol

I'm not a CE raider, not pushing 20+. I just get in and chill with my friends.

[subtle tundra]

then it literally doesnt matter?

[alpine latch]

If I wanted to push hard I'd have to stop playing with my friends.

[brazen zodiac]

Casual gaming

[hollow river]

I hear you I don’t push 20+ either

Just nuke my way through anything under that

A lot of my guildies push higher keys tho

[violet jackal]

I just want to game at the highest level and tattoo my name across many leaderboards

[brazen zodiac]

XD

[hollow river]

Are you still on arthas?

[violet jackal]

yes

[hollow river]

Which guild

[violet jackal]

still Safe Haven, but I raided with The Crusade from thrall, don't think I'm sticking around with them, they are really struggling on reclear

[hollow river]

I see

[violet jackal]

Occassional Excellence told me I was dogwater because I didn't explain how to use defensives on a fight that I don't take damage on 🤔

[hollow river]

Which fight?

[violet jackal]

the eye

[slow marsh]

oof

yeah

[hollow river]

You can use feint and cloak

[slow marsh]

i guess just hit cloak when you're about to get a stack?

[inland hull]

"Uh, I don't stand in shit"

[hollow river]

You can cloak eye beam

For uptime

Etc

[slow marsh]

just step eyebeam wym

[violet jackal]

I'm aware you can feint and cloak, but the damage going on barely breaks my shield from the frost set

[hollow river]

I’m sure you know that

[violet jackal]

also it's better to step the bea

[hollow river]

I never step the beam

[dawn ivy]

they might have been expecting answers from the perspective of first day kills

[slow marsh]

i think cloaking a stack is the most efficient way

idk

[hollow river]

Cloak is always up

[dawn ivy]

you had to feint and sit in defensive cds when you finished killing your sides ad waiting for the boss to come back

[violet jackal]

well that the issue my first eye kill was a tank and spank relcear

[subtle tundra]

well, boss has a cast that does big raid dmg

you should feint that

not that i do it, but it should be feinted

[violet jackal]

didn't break winds of winter shield, I was staring at my health this week the only hairy moment to feint was when one eye died way before the other

[lusty oar]

Shouldn’t die way before the other

[hollow river]

Using defensives when trialing is just good practice

[dawn ivy]

yeah, nowadays the boss cant kill you unless youre intentionally trying

[hollow river]

So they see that you know your class and fights

Even on ez reclear

[subtle tundra]

or just tunnel boss, cloak mechanics use cheat death as defensive

[hollow river]

Ehhh

[subtle tundra]

as you can see, i havent trialed in 2 years

[dawn ivy]

many guilds wont like seeing you "use" cheat

[hollow river]

I probably feint on Soulrender 10 times even now if I were to go reclear it

[dawn ivy]

easy for anyone to say they "used" cheat on purpose

[hollow river]

This tbh

I use cheat on prog sometimes

[slow marsh]

no point in having cheat if you never use it tbh

[hollow river]

I also just get smacked every once n a while

[inland hull]

I'm definitely calling out "using cheat" the next time I'm about to miss a mechanic

[hollow river]

Make sure it can’t overkill you anyway

[slow marsh]

my healers just trust im not gonna die

[hollow river]

Rogues just don’t die

Add frost into the mix

[slow marsh]

i mean

they do

[hollow river]

We’re tanky rn

[slow marsh]

but i dont 😛

unless you wnat me to st balls

then i may die

[hollow river]

[violet jackal]

empowered defensive conduits, the best defensive in the game, and a passive fatty shield every 20 seconds it pretty damn hard to die

[dawn ivy]

my new guild im trialing for mentioned my "use" of cheat on fatescribe and i had to prove it was a consistent "use" every pull lmao

[hollow river]

What’d you use it for

[dawn ivy]

if im out of charges of door, ill just eat beams to get dots setup on tank add

[hollow river]

Yeah true

[dawn ivy]

so i had to pull a decent number of logs up to prove i do it alot LMFAO

good enough guild they needed receipts i wasnt just ass for no reason

[drowsy parcel]

i soaked a painsmith spike yesterday and didnt even proc cheat

casual 45k shield saves the day

[slow marsh]

yeah iu've had that happne

hpal was like wtf didn't even cheat

[viscid spear]

"Wow he's so skilled, didn't even have to burn Cheat..."

[dawn ivy]

yeah spikes are surprisingly easy to survive with frost set

whoda thought a shield as big as your own health pool broke mechanics

[violet jackal]

Anyone else have a lot of avoidance on their raid gear?

[gusty mirage]

nah we make our healers work for it

[slow marsh]

^

[pure moth]

On the guild app just link them to the book of shadows. They'll know ahead of time what you can do.

[undone eagle]

May I ask why some people have sinful rev enchant on main hand and celestial on offhand? 😛

[dawn ivy]

nah they just wanted to see that im making a conscious decision to use cheat, not just accidentally/sometimes

[slow marsh]

cringe

[keen aurora]

I do it cuz I use sylv dagger in OH and it's the same if I swap to Outlaw while my MH will change. That way when I swap gearsets I don't have to change enchants

[violet jackal]

I've been told it is irrevenalt which enchant is on which hand

[undone eagle]

alright thnx

[spice spire]

It is

[subtle tundra]

when your guild has mega dps p1 but isnt doing no stop strat

fucking vendetta dark sentinel

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

well i dropped finger and got traded the belt so i cant complain

well gotta farm a socket though

[fresh heron]

Question: My man dmging abilities on my details is always or top 2 is "melee" which just seems wrong, what am I doin wrong? ( this is for m+ content)

[slow marsh]

it should be CT

so just bleed uptime

not using cds

[spice spire]

Depends on build. Sometimes it really do be melee toward the top

Top 2 kinda sus

But it does occasionally happen

Melee usually around 4 for me. It’s usually some combination of CT, garrote, melee up there

[indigo valley]

Any reason why SND wouldnt show on logs as a buff, but it still shows healing received from it?

[subtle tundra]

nothing weird about my frost procs

[spice spire]

No crit

[subtle tundra]

man only 98 log cause 0 fcking crits

[spice spire]

It should show under damage buffs

[lavish lichen]

Well no

If you have it applied

Before the fight

And it never falls it won’t show

[spice spire]

Also true

[polar sinew]

oi i want to cumback in wow but i want to know how rogue's specs are okay

[cinder steppe]

is mfd the play now? if so do you use it before pull like with outlaw or in the opener with flag?

[charred wraith]

cumback

sorry

[polar sinew]

xd

mfd = ?

[cinder steppe]

marked for death

[polar sinew]

ah ok

[sinful cradle]

save for MA window then use on cd

hold for flag if 15 (?) sec left until flasg and mfd off cd

snipe resets if u can

[kind talon]

@spice spire yo

quick question

whats the swing timer? trying to calculate uptime

[spice spire]

Just use hits divided by time spent to calculate up time

I’m not wrong, period.

[gusty mirage]

????

just use wowanalyzer idiots

it does it for you

[kind talon]

what if i use up divided by time? will i be able to calculate up time?

Period.

[gusty mirage]

no that's clearly up x time

smh my head

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

ah yes the meme that our friendship is built on @spice spire

[spice spire]

Ur toxicity is what our friendship is built on 🙂

[cinder steppe]

tysm 🙂

[spice spire]

Nothing to do with you being a wonderful human 🙂

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

whos the 100% right guy

[kind talon]

ryler

[drifting cloud]

was that in here? must have missed it

[kind talon]

it was you

[ebon notch]

i knew it

[drowsy parcel]

looks real to me

[kind talon]

thanks kayl

[ebon notch]

i could smell the cheeto dust from here

[kind talon]

@drowsy parcel is there an sbs optimization for marileth? kevin uptime?

in ST

[drowsy parcel]

not sure actually im just feelcrafting a bit

throw for shiv windows and make sure to have it fully during vendetta

[gusty mirage]

yeah you missed the fiasco where he started arguing with Cev

[kind talon]

im preparing for 9.1.5

all 3 charges for vendetta?

sounds like a plan stan

[gusty mirage]

I mean you already do that for Emeni to extend LBE during vendoota

[kind talon]

yeah but with heirmir you save it for gemstone exclusively

so

[gusty mirage]

si

[kind talon]

do u even play emeni????? TF???

i thought emeni is not a choice

[gusty mirage]

do I? No I'm a chad venthyr gamer

[drowsy parcel]

i dont really follow what i said up there i mostly just send it when i feel like it

[gusty mirage]

[drowsy parcel]

i miss not having gemstones tell me when to spend them sometimes

[kind talon]

👏

feelcraft homie

thats the way

[plain onyx]

what is the main source of my energy **speed **generation ?

[hollow river]

Haste and bleeds

Poison crits if using Dashing

[plain onyx]

alright thanks

[paper bridge]

Hi, its raid off for my guild and I'm quite desperate ... is anyone who can help me review my logs ? I'm ~10 in my ilevel % (246-248) .. 😦

[hollow river]

Raid off?

[gusty mirage]

link em

[paper bridge]

Time to sleep for them ;D

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7YT9trfLMp2g3vnh
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JP2QzKh48jwHvTmy

And if needed : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sUijygvcXHpssE8JNpV79F

[gusty mirage]

your opener is a bit off

granted that was the nine

and people do weird things when there's 2 bosses

looking at tarragrue you didn't vanish at all

you're supposed to vanish after your shiv so that you can mut -> env -> mut

[paper bridge]

[taking notes on his logbooks]

[gusty mirage]

yyou always want to combine vanish into your vendetta & shiv overlaps

[paper bridge]

And with flag ? Should I cast flag, wait for the buff to be up and then shiv + vendetta ?

[gusty mirage]

just cast flag on cooldown (when you have 4-5 CP built)

you don't try to sync them because it usually causes you to lose a cast which is a dps loss

for the opener it's essentially this:
Mut -> Snd -> Mut -> Garrote -> Flag -> Rupture -> Vendetta -> shiv -> Vanish -> Mut -> Envenom -> Mut -> envenom

[fervent rune]

LeyZ I would go to a target dummy and do that opener oxi posted until it’s burned into your brain

[spice spire]

@paper bridge you

're also missing shiv casts, along with IQD casts here

also you're rupture + garrote %s are fairly low

not uber low

but worth noting

[paper bridge]

True ! Thanks

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's nothing huge, you have a good base to build on

just some fix up a bit of the rotation and you'll be zooming to good parses

[spice spire]

what oxi said

you've a few things wasted here and there, but it's not like you're butchering the entire thing and fucking up. It's also better to run bs/ds but that's a different bit

also I was looking at the guardian fight, should have noted...

that's a decent fight to show understanding of a spec and play

[paper bridge]

Yeah, i'm Raidleading at the same time, but working on the opener seems like a greet start

And some dumb weakaura to told me to spam shiv 😄

[gusty mirage]

shiv on CD is always a good idea

don't hold it

[spice spire]

oh yeah raidleading while playing is hard, you can tell the parses where I was rl for the night compared to when I'm doing dam

but you'll get there king

[inland hull]

So Vendetta with no combo points up?

[spice spire]

is fine

[paper bridge]

Thanks a lot, you awesome people ! I'll comeback with better logs and make you proud ❤️

[spice spire]

you already are king, by trying to be better. Best of luck, get some rest

[drowsy parcel]

fyfan asså

[worthy cliff]

Hey guys quick question my crit is at 44% but my haste seems low its around 11% should I sacrifice a bit of crit for haste?

[gusty mirage]

run a top gear w/ replace gems enabled and check

that's your best bet

[brazen zodiac]

p sure thats normal too w/ the frost set

[lean coral]

i hit 48% crit before it had me swap out crit gems for haste

[drifting cloud]

if you have 44 and 11 even without looking at your gear you probably have too much vers and mastery not crit

[ornate dawn]

Are you overloaded on mastery or something

[drifting cloud]

since 44 is pretty normal

so random vault items id assume since not sure where else youd get those stats

[slow marsh]

Same I have 48. Something % crit and I have 2 haste gems now

[lean coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7b2pG4doXLQ2pWzX33CEz4

have sylv ring and mythic crit neck from raid too

had me swap off

[slow marsh]

Weird to me that Theo is so far under nadj

For you

I haven't simmed mine in a while I guess I should check nadj

Yeah ok nadj is -5 not including reroll strat so I'm guuci

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eiU49Tdp9EinvT6QPDpwx9

[fading wigeon]

Reroll Strat?

[slow marsh]

Ye reroll party favors until haste or crit

[fading wigeon]

Gotcha

[outer lava]

new rogue here, what do i do at 4cp? mutilate, garrote or envenom?

[oak sky]

don't mutilate

you can garrote if its in pandemic window, but generally you would envenom

[spice spire]

envenom if not running deeper, I'd recommend reading a guide and the faqs, they'll answer a lot of the newbie questions! 🙂

[brazen zodiac]

!faq

whats the commnd

[latent sand]

Should i go sepsis in anticipation of the new buff? Or kyrian? Dont want to be venth and necros killing my hand with all the spam.

Playing assa and sub

Thanks in advance 🤷‍♂️

[lean coral]

@brazen zodiac #assassination-faq

[hollow river]

We don’t know 100% how good nf is and it’s most likely bad for sin.

[brazen zodiac]

dont let your dreams be dreams

[hollow river]

Venthyr is unfortunately the way to go for sub and sin my friend if you care about highest output

[subtle tundra]

kyrian and nf are noticeably weaker for assa

[latent sand]

I dont particularly,regarding the output

not CE or doing 25s so no big deal

[hollow river]

Well by all means do what you want to do of course

Idk what type of answers you were looking for with what you asked then

[latent sand]

Ohhh that's a legendary power as well, my bad I thought it was the base sepsis being changed

[hollow river]

Yeah it’s the NF leggo

[latent sand]

Ok, I can see how that'd be bad.

kyrian it is

[balmy condor]

Apparently it’s like within 1% for sub

But it’s dogshit for sin

We still don’t know though

Cause all of the gcd reduction stuff from adrenaline rush

Is still whitelisted

And if they make adrenaline rush work for all of our abilities

Then celerity is back on the table too

And celerity is most likely much better than the fae lego

[bleak valve]

anyway to sim the windfury buff?

[frosty bridge]

There’s windfury in raidbots buffs yes

It’s at the bottom where all the buffs are

If thats what you’re asking

[bleak valve]

cool

[slow marsh]

Yes night fae is gonna be bis after they make a crappy leggo less crappy and a bad conduit less bad ;)

[strange python]

CT or PB for DoS?

[latent sand]

@slow marsh fair question, the buffs are substantial.

[balmy condor]

If you’re doing m+, you take CT

Regardless of dungeon

Of affix

Of legendary

Of covenant

Taking poison bomb into a dungeon is simply trolling

[brazen zodiac]

i can dream :(

[outer lava]

Should I hit pandemic windows for Envenom*?

(Guides just say Garrote/Rupture)

[balmy condor]

nop

[outer lava]

ty

[keen mantle]

Hello , does anyone has a weakaura for Elaborate Planning only ?

[halcyon zealot]

https://wago.io/SkavCyb47

that has envenom and EP but you could just go in and delete the envenom one if u want

[subtle maple]

atm i have my unholy gems at max, my bloods at 4 and my frost at 3, is still better frost bonus?, sim shows me blood, but in game it doesn't feel like it

[violet jackal]

depends on stats, convenant, legendary

[subtle maple]

venthyr, got dash and venthyr one at 262, 33ish crits 15 ish haste

[drifting cloud]

at 4 it should be better its probably not at 3

assuming you have 5 dom sockets

and yeah 33 crit is pretty low for frost

[lavish lichen]

What is this

I was actually waiting for you to be around

[balmy condor]

wdym what is this

[lavish lichen]

Quake and I went on an adventure today

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/z6AKFvgH6yufiTX4FEtTF

Dslice but check what talents it says

Weird or what?

[balmy condor]

very weird

however

obedience

does weird shit like that

[lavish lichen]

Yea prob a stats thing

We got it play CT with 262 zold so I guess that makes sense

I guess it just values the CP generation a lot more which makes sense ofc

[balmy condor]

yeh

still wouldn't play pb tho

[brazen zodiac]

hi whisp

pain dies tonight

did u get kt?

[balmy condor]

same

[brazen zodiac]

POG

its either pain or me at this point

[lavish lichen]

Yea prob also skewed a bit by Dslice fight style

It’s not super realistic in terms of mob count, at least not for all dungeons

[oak sky]

Oof whispyr in sylv prison for the next few weeks

Join the club

[kind talon]

Bye

[oak sky]

Pain is always

[brazen zodiac]

ah

nah

we get it tonight

[oak sky]

[brazen zodiac]

on god

its my birthday

in 2 hours

in 2 hours

we down painsmith

i get drunk

its a beautiful ending to a story

[hollow river]

welcome to hell bro

where rogues must do chain damage

mfd pretty pog tho

[balmy condor]

mfd on sub

[arctic hare]

Whoot whoot, got the last things I need to upgrade my frost set to 4

Now to craft dashing scoundrel

[balmy condor]

and then 3 more weeks till rank 5

[brazen zodiac]

mlfao

[dawn ivy]

isnt it awesome knowing the difference between clearing heroic and mythic is somehow only 10 embers

how does mythic not just give 10 a boss

[dense hamlet]

[strange python]

33 sylv kills/vaults this tier. No dag. Can I die now?

[arctic hare]

Three? I need 150 right? When I’m only clearing heroic? Well thats not as bad

[balmy condor]

if you do everything on mythic its 61

so heroic is 51

[arctic hare]

Oh, hmm

That’s convenient

Well, least I don’t gotta die

[ebon notch]

bro my boost run was so scuffed today

we were doing kt and i was sitting at 14k dps 5 mins into the fight

[indigo valley]

How many pulls is too many for Sylv?

[balmy condor]

probably like 250-300

[indigo valley]

😦

[balmy condor]

ouch

[indigo valley]

haven't even made it past 50% yet

[oak sky]

my guild is over 100 in but we're at about the 2nd platform as our best rn

[indigo valley]

We've made it to 4th a couple times i think

[balmy condor]

sounds like a guild brute forcing ce with a 20 hr/week raid schedule

[indigo valley]

I think we're around 12 hours a week

I dont know what to do

[balmy condor]

12 isn't that bad

but that's uh

a lot of wipes

[ebon notch]

thats really bad

like kirby is on that level rn

[brazen zodiac]

i wish i found a guild like this wtf

[ebon notch]

no you dont

[solar dune]

for mythic nerzhul

[brazen zodiac]

yes i do

lol

[solar dune]

shadowstep during mass dispell should i face my back outwards

or more to the side?

[ebon notch]

Face away always

Try and get the guild to give you space

So you don't fly off the platform

And are unable to shadowstep

[hallow sage]

i had a guild like this back in mop, 1k wipes on heroic(mythic) garrosh

trust me, you really don't want that

[solar dune]

thanks dude

cause i always find it being a hit or miss sometimes it works sometimes i just cant shadowstep since im off the platform

[hallow sage]

get a weakaura to track the mass dispel if you don't already, removes a lot of the reaction timing

[solar dune]

have one

been doing it around 0.2 sec or so

since im at 200+ ping

[hallow sage]

oof

[solar dune]

main problem is the space

[hallow sage]

ye, typically most other classes have a much safer way of being outer than us

[solar dune]

yea ive noticed other classes have it alot easier

my druid has an easier time on that boss compared to my rogue

[brazen zodiac]

and trust me, i do!

[rare palm]

Hey all, is there any way I could macro S&D w/ Envenom to where if S&D is currently up, it will use Envenom instead? How would that look? Just trying to clean up my board & whenever there are larger gaps between pulls sometimes I forget to apply S&D so any help is great xD

[gusty mirage]

just make a weak aura that yells at you when snd isn't up

[rare palm]

Fair enough lol

[gusty mirage]

idk if it's possible to make a macro that does that, even with that addon that people tried using to make the ambush/mutilate macro work to save a keybind

[wary pawn]

vigor or mfd on sylvanas mythic prog?

[kind talon]

mfd

[slow marsh]

Could try something like the deathly thing that just has big red text if in combat and snd not up saying it isn't up

[idle shard]

where are the current sims?

assa faq?

@balmy condor where can I find the latest simulations? The link from the ones in assa faq is no longer available

[balmy condor]

wdym

those are the most recent

[balmy condor]

yeh

[idle shard]

this pops up for me

[balmy condor]

they time out after a month

that's why I put the dps amount on the sheet

[idle shard]

oh

alright thanks :p

[normal mist]

That sad moment when I want to raid HC but my guild raids only on the 2 last days before reset :)))
What am I supposed to do until then 😩

[pseudo ridge]

Have an alt find a different guild to play with in the mean time? Lol

[normal mist]

Besides my rogue, I can't maintain 1 alt because I like to try out EVERYTHING and never go thru with nothing :)))))
Got a 220 guardian that I just use to tank lfr so I can get transmog, 215 dh for the same purposes xD

I have way too many alts and I'm afraid to log them at this point

[pseudo ridge]

I know the feeling. I’m maintaining 3 characters atm. Hunter, rogue, monk. All in different guilds. All different raid nights lol

[normal mist]

I respect your commitment

[grim hornet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[normal mist]

Everytime I'm hyped about playing some spec or a class in general I lose interest rather quickly.

[pseudo ridge]

I swapped main from rogue to dk for heroic progression in one guild cos abomination limb helps a fair amount on soul render plus utility but damn I got so bored of the dk I wanted to stop raiding for a while

[normal mist]

Honestly I never got asked to switch classes, but I play in a Hc guild that sometimes kilts some M bosses, besides that I'm the only rogue there.

[balmy condor]

For heroic?

I wouldn’t sacrifice personal fun for heroic tbh

[pseudo ridge]

I learned the hard way by sacrificing fun for heroic progression.

[balmy condor]

I see

An important lesson

[pseudo ridge]

Im not a mythic raider nor plan to be either

[normal mist]

^ big mood

So we here to have fun

[oak sky]

mythic raiders outside hall of fame are for fun too

some more than others

[normal mist]

This might sound stupid but during s1 pvp I leveled an orc warrior just to reach rival with it and get the tmog... Did it, never played with it again. Wanted to use it as tank but my stupid brain doesn't like orc tanks. Only taurens xD

[soft shale]

after having guild disband and losing like 6 halls of fame we dont care that much kek

[pseudo ridge]

What’s wrong with orc tanks? Lol

[normal mist]

Try telling that to my brain. Is pure looks

[pseudo ridge]

Lmao fair enough

[normal mist]

Also can't play a tauren melee DPS, like warrior, BCS of looks xD

[oak sky]

tauren pally is bis man

[normal mist]

Okay enough about nonsense talk by my part.

[normal mist]

(actually played one during Cata)

[neon cloak]

where are the pure comparison sims between specs, i remember it was pinned here.

[leaden garden]

Hello! I am looking to get back into my asa rogue and was just wondering 1) Is asa in a decent spot for pve? raids and medium to high keys? and 2) is venthyr alright for "general pve content"?

[oak sky]

Yes and yes

[leaden garden]

thanks ❤️

[tight halo]

Is obedience best loggo for venth sin or should i pick another one for raiding?

[gusty mirage]

Dashing is usually best for sin with enough crit + frost bonus. But best for you now could be doom or obe, all depends on gear

[alpine latch]

Obe is the best overall. If you're only crafting 1, go Obe. Otherwise, sim it. Dashing doesn't take over until you hit certain thresholds (again, sim it). For me DS is like 26 DPS higher but with better gear it usually goes up from there.

[gusty mirage]

I recommend peeps make a 262 obedience as their first 262 though because it’s good for sin m+ and bis for sub and good enough in raid

[tight halo]

Yeah i know gear and current stats plays a big role here, i have frost set, but it like impossible to get a grp for CN bloodcouncil to get my DS😫

[alpine latch]

You know you can buy it, right?

[tight halo]

Whaaaat?????

[tight halo]

Where 😫😫😫

[gusty mirage]

Just run it in lfr or buy the thingy for grateful offerings and I think research? from the vendors (grateful offerings is from your renown vendor when you have 4 streams in the conductor reinforced and one comes from a vendor in korthia)

[alpine latch]

It's called Chronicle of Lost Memories. You buy it from your covenant

[gusty mirage]

^ ye thats the thingy

[alpine latch]

And you can buy it in Korthia for 2k Cataloged Research

Which takes like... A day to farm

[subtle tundra]

but its a random leggo

[gusty mirage]

Raid legendaries have a 100% drop rate so if you can snag an lfr kill its the fastest way to get it

[subtle tundra]

and i doubt he has all other leggos

[alpine latch]

Everything in this game is random because this game doesn't believe in non-RNG acquisition.

[subtle tundra]

just queue lfr while doing something else

[gusty mirage]

People still run lfr for tmog and legendaries so you should be able to find a group still

May take a while for the queue to pop though

[tight halo]

Did that, 1 hr and 30 min no queue..

[normal mist]

How much CRIT % is a good starting threshold?

[gusty mirage]

Typically around 38-40%+ it starts running away from the pack a bit. The new optimizations for MFD makes obedience a lot closer than before though

[alpine latch]

There's no real "sweet spot". I think mine became slightly better than Obe around 40% crit?

It's still extremely close, though

[normal mist]

I'm at 32% rn with 22% haste, already have dashing 262 and obi 235, so I'll just stick with dashing xd

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers I would, it’ll get better with the more gear you get

Even now with the mfd optimizations that are supposed to make obedience closer to the dashing, for me dashing still beats obe by about 50 dps

[alpine latch]

Obe is great for m+ too though

[gusty mirage]

Hot take, I dislike obedience as sin in m+

[alpine latch]

It's also great for Sub last I checked

Really?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s great for sub

Yeah idk I’m just not the biggest fan of it tbh

[alpine latch]

My Horde rogue only has Obe, my Alliance rogue is rocking r4 Zoldycks for m+

[zinc frost]

That is a hot take

[gusty mirage]

It’s nice having more flag casts

But I just prefer zold

[zinc frost]

At least both are viable

[lavish lichen]

My sim was saying some weird stuff yesterday

[gusty mirage]

Yeah obe is def very good still for sin m+

[lavish lichen]

With obde

It wanted MA/MFD/PB

[alpine latch]

25% of the keys this week were done with a Doomblade. Interesting....

[lavish lichen]

In dslice

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage is an m+ DB enjoyer

[spice spire]

Top

[gusty mirage]

Actually I forgot to switch out my dashing in that 21 top

[spice spire]

That’s not trolling

Unless you went subterfuge

[gusty mirage]

I definitely went subterfuge

[alpine latch]

0.53% of Sin keys are done as Kyrian... lol

[gusty mirage]

I was actually throwing

[spice spire]

Oxi confirmed inter

[lavish lichen]

That being how many?

[alpine latch]

17 keys

[lavish lichen]

I’ve done 1 as kyr assa lol

[spice spire]

I hit 2300 last night

[gusty mirage]

Welcome to the +8-12 score for improving a key territory

I’ll be your guide

[spice spire]

Nah

I still have some 15s and 16s to replace lmao

[lavish lichen]

Score is dumb now

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Got the first portal too

[gusty mirage]

The monk got the same gloves it already had from the weekly

[spice spire]

Should have gotten top but that got borked

[spice spire]

I got the same belt

[gusty mirage]

Should’ve brought my rogue

[spice spire]

But it had a socket

[lavish lichen]

I had nice 22 top

And tank got smoked on first boss

1 minute in

[spice spire]

Should have. Did you see the damage numbers?

Should have put me in my fucking place

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr and I timed a 21 top last week running double rogue

[spice spire]

Well yeah

Big boss dam

[gusty mirage]

One-two sin-sub combo

[spice spire]

Ele shaman + ww monk in xav wing

[soft shale]

double rogue works really well interestingly enough

[lavish lichen]

We need 3x rogue run

More of them

Tbt to season 2 bfa

[soft shale]

i have a 26 wee can try keekw

[spice spire]

[soft shale]

monk heal warrior tank triplee rogue the dream

depleto team unite

[gusty mirage]

Actual troll group comp too @spice spire - Jez on her bear, holy priest, double rogue, and survival hunter

[spice spire]

Based

[young nacelle]

i checked my raider.io and

👌

[spice spire]

@ both of the above

[soft shale]

leet

[spice spire]

Nice

[gusty mirage]

That took longer than I wanted it to. But it’s done

[young nacelle]

your efforts are appreciated

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

[slow marsh]

that's what she said

[alpine latch]

Title of your sex tape?

[autumn frost]

Based on Io I'm #5 assassination rogue on stormrage flex

[verbal mantle]

[autumn frost]

I've been using doomblade. I wonder if I should be using zoldyack

For them high keys.

[soft shale]

you would get bullied for not playing zold yes

[young nacelle]

be me, doing 18s and higher with obedience

[gusty mirage]

I wish, I'm a two pump chump

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Doomblade gamer

[violet jackal]

Honestly I really like dashing in in keys, whispyr would say I’m a psychopath but it’s fine

[upbeat needle]

why

[violet jackal]

Numbers go brrrr on the screen and seeing it gives dopamine hits

[upbeat needle]

dat shit useless

unless boss actually

[spice spire]

I’m going to frame it similarly to Doomblade - if you run dashing in keys, you’re not running to do aoe, you’re trying to smash ST

[upbeat needle]

these are facts quake

[violet jackal]

Nope I was doing it for AOE

[upbeat needle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-queeee-confused-nick-young-gif-13259642

[violet jackal]

It a different rotate but it doable

[upbeat needle]

whenever I play Sin I usually use Obedience tbh

I just would feel

so bad taking poison bomb in a key

[violet jackal]

I’m nexrolord can’t relate

[upbeat needle]

rip

Deathspike

spike dem bitches up

I wish I was still Necro to try deathspike out

maybe in 9.1.5 I fuck around with it on some fort keys

who knows

[spice spire]

Why tho

You already have ooga booga energy regen

And the crit is fine, but the execute from Zoldyck’s just out classes it

[violet jackal]

Like I said mainly it for dopamine hits, I’ll log two different dungeon runs with each legendaries if I get accepted today to show there wasn’t much of a damage difference

[subtle tundra]

i mean

[violet jackal]

Content drought is here, 6 day raiding guilds won’t take me. Raid carries are all funnels, I need whatever little amount of serotone I can find now

[subtle tundra]

you cant compare dungeons

like that

[violet jackal]

If you take the same group into the same dungeon twice?

[subtle tundra]

yes

there's still so many variables

[lavish lichen]

Sims only run like 20,000 iterations

Surely only 2 dungeons are representative

[inland hull]

I top out at +17 to +18 keys, and obedience is working fine for now, but I'm thinking that I'll need to swap to zold to push much higher

If mobs stay in execute longer, then sold probably pulls way ahead, yeah?

Zold*

[subtle tundra]

no

thats not how it works

[soft shale]

if you have great executes like warriors zold is a bit worse but still solid

it does not change many things

[inland hull]

So then is there a point where zold is just clearly better? Or am I good to keep with obedience?

[subtle tundra]

its not clearly better

[inland hull]

Oh, well that's awesome news

[subtle tundra]

obedience is more ST, more burst, more control on your damage

more fun, as it impacts gameplay

zold you put it on and its just there

ah, i sometimes do more dot dmg

obedience is harder to play aswell

[inland hull]

I'd prefer to stick with obedience because more flag = more fun

[subtle tundra]

if you dont like pressing your cds on cd, it loses a lot of value

[inland hull]

HoA with obedience is a blast. Flag is up for every shard

Hell, it's up for every serious pack

[subtle tundra]

in high m+ you have flag basically every pull

[inland hull]

I was dreading all the Torghast I was gonna have to do to get a 262 zold

Today is a good day

[subtle tundra]

im not saying zoldyck isnt good though

you can easily default to obe for tyra, zold for fort

you will probably see slightly better results with zold

[inland hull]

But as long as I'm utilizing the cdr for flag I should be good for high fort?

[subtle tundra]

yes

im doing 25s with it

[inland hull]

You just made my Friday

[subtle tundra]

but i think in like dos/hoa, zold would be the play if you want to optimise

[echo geyser]

with obedience u send pretty much flag on cd right?

while multi dotting

[subtle tundra]

yea

[echo geyser]

send a shiv on same target or doesnt matter i guess

[subtle tundra]

you dont really want to use the low cp generators during it

[echo geyser]

hm i see makes sense

so pretty much no garrotes during it

just fok > CT/Rupture

[subtle tundra]

yea

[echo geyser]

nice

[subtle tundra]

tbh im not sure how important it is the whole rupture/envenom in aoe stuff

sometimes i spam envenoms

sometimes ruptures

[echo geyser]

i guess if u have enough energy u wanna envenom for snd/more poison dmg

[subtle tundra]

also prio target dmg etc

[echo geyser]

u still send shiv on cd in aoe outside of flag tho right

[subtle tundra]

yea

[spice spire]

100%

[echo geyser]

its only rly increasing poison dmg on that 1 target right?

[subtle tundra]

man, 9.1.5 cant come soon enough
can't wait to be able to just CT in big pulls and hit everything with it

[subtle tundra]

yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[inland hull]

fok is getting uncapped too, yeah?

[subtle tundra]

ye

man, i totally see why they added DR to stats

[spice spire]

Poison damage stonks

[inland hull]

I'm thinking that's gonna be amazing for funnel

[slow marsh]

meh

we'll see

[subtle tundra]

i can get like 50% crit without anima powers

[subtle tundra]

nah

envenom doesnt do enough dmg to be amazing funnel

[slow marsh]

it will put us closer to sub funnel for sure

envenom does our top dmg

outside of winds

[spice spire]

Gonna be amazing for aoe damsge

[subtle tundra]

we're talking about m+

there's no winds

[slow marsh]

envenom still does our top prio dmg

[inland hull]

I was thinking flag windows for stacks

[slow marsh]

which is funnel

[spice spire]

But there’s no winds :p

[subtle tundra]

you still easily get 30 stacks in aoe regardless

[spice spire]

Yeah aoe is definitely far easier for big packs

[slow marsh]

i wouldn't say easily

fok rng can be bad sometimes

[spice spire]

To hit 30 stacks

[subtle tundra]

yea, i didnt say it isnt funnel, its just not amazing

[slow marsh]

it's easier but not a for sure thing

[spice spire]

At lik 39% crit + brand

[slow marsh]

gross brand

[spice spire]

It’s almost fok - finisher - fok - finisher level

[subtle tundra]

i play 40-42% crit + brand

[spice spire]

U wot

[echo geyser]

time for master poisoner

[spice spire]

Dagger + brand

[echo geyser]

[inland hull]

I'm usually getting between 20-25 stacks, but my crit % isn't that high

[spice spire]

[lavish lichen]

Blade is a plumage enjoyer

[slow marsh]

i usually take plumage for forti weeks

[spice spire]

Oshosi stonks rising

Can’t take it this week

Fucking inspiring

I’m a disgusting necroti only papi

[subtle tundra]

i've only taken plumage once, saw how little it did and never again

[slow marsh]

i mean i think of it more as if i take plumage i do a bit less dmg but i have to kick / kidney less

[spice spire]

Plumage low key strong power

I’m just a disgusting human being

[slow marsh]

it's not about the damage its about the knockups

[spice spire]

Utility + damage Deece

[slow marsh]

but for casual 15s yeah i wouldn't bother

[subtle tundra]

i dont bother for casual 25s

[slow marsh]

seems troll

to not take it

2/3 dps with plumage makes big pulls so easy

[subtle tundra]

they already are easy with a decent group

the big pulls arent what mage high keys hard

[spice spire]

Timing higher keys is a bit of a damage check

So I do think 1/3 is a good call

Especially for like sanguine + mists

But 2/3 seems a bit much

[slow marsh]

the more that have it the more consistent it procs though

i would say if only 1 is gonna tkae it then dont take it at all

not enough dmg to justify it

[lavish lichen]

Plumage doesn’t really make anything easier

Because its RNG

[subtle tundra]

i think youre overestimating how much it does

[lavish lichen]

In a 26 you kick

You dont rely on plumage

[spice spire]

If it also double procs you’re missing some damage

[bleak sky]

I dislike plumage because you can easily waste an interrupt/stun and then you're ffucked after

[spice spire]

Very true

[lavish lichen]

Its not consistent enough to make dangerous pulls around

[subtle tundra]

your pulls are gonna be what you can handle with kicks already, no reason to pull unreasonable shit and rely on rng

[inland hull]

My guild is called Healer Problems. Gotta live up to it somehow.