assassination

[gusty mirage]

Any sub frost enjoyers in chat?

[hollow river]

The tanks always like “dps isn’t the reason bosses aren’t dying”

[glass tulip]

that's true

[ebon notch]

reminds me of the time i didnt have set bonus on during painsmith prog

[glass tulip]

but when dps is better you do fewer mechanics

[ebon notch]

and @soft shale was shitting on me even harder than he ususally does

[gusty mirage]

I’m going to blame my shards and not the fact that I triple danced the opener like a scrub

[glass tulip]

so I asked a friend but he hasnt gotten back yet

why would I play sub

when I usually am doing more damage, on average, as a assassin

[quaint carbon]

frost sub isthat bad compared to blood ?

[stray mural]

You enjoy bleeds and poisons

[gusty mirage]

It’s not ideal, but def not the reason I suck

[hollow river]

Yeah they don’t seem to care idk

[gusty mirage]

Except on remnant

Where more dps = cursed overlaps

[glass tulip]

we had some of that

[gusty mirage]

Sick boss design

[glass tulip]

but then we blasted past it even harder

60% shatter + malev

[gusty mirage]

Punish players for getting better gear and playing better

[glass tulip]

just pump harder 4head

[quasi grotto]

Just improve uptime god

[quaint carbon]

lol.. yeah i was just wondering. slowly puttin myself into mythics and i see Sub for some boss seems like the "go to"

[gusty mirage]

I’m just not super comfortable with sub so there was a lot of mistakes made

Plus 3 runes

[slow marsh]

you can play whatever

[gusty mirage]

It was a hole too deep to climb out of

[slow marsh]

sub is just nice this tier

mostly cuz funnel

there's no boss where prio add damage matters, so it's a field day for sub

[glass tulip]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/H4ktGjh6RqF1rX9f#fight=33&type=damage-done
I had this one this week in as heroic pug. Was too funny when I was the only aoe on adds so I got all the funnel

[hollow river]

We also downed fate but I had to sit due to internet issues

[glass tulip]

look at my damage vs 2nd place

[quaint carbon]

[hollow river]

Once we reclear I’m coming for all 90s

[glass tulip]

11.1k vs 8.7k

[slow marsh]

lucky you got to kill adds lol

[glass tulip]

like over half the raid was dead and we didnt use lust

til 15% on boss

bc the mage was literally broken in his brain

[hollow river]

Aren’t all mages always?

[glass tulip]

youll get it eventually 🤷

most important is you can start on KT

I'll try your strat on Soulrender tomorrow daps

[hollow river]

I’m in down group

[glass tulip]

ez, I love down group

[hollow river]

I don’t

[glass tulip]

rip

[hollow river]

Debating going sub so I don’t have to hold CDs on pull

[glass tulip]

oh do you hold and then blow once youre in the jar?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[glass tulip]

damn

[stray mural]

KT is weird. I do have to say downstairs gang is the place to be

[hollow river]

Yeah prog>parse

[glass tulip]

100%

[hollow river]

My parse will def be grey tho holding coolies

[glass tulip]

doesnt count for all star points

and if I was recruiting I'd pick you over a 100 parse andy for being a team player

[hollow river]

[glass tulip]

thing is, if we're recruiting you you and I are directly competing lol

then I'd have to stomp on your head

[hollow river]

Lmfao

[glass tulip]

our raid comp is actually so scuffed

[hollow river]

So is ours

[glass tulip]

melee gang

[hollow river]

Surv hunter???

[subtle tundra]

thats a yikes from me champ

[glass tulip]

he's a trial

[subtle tundra]

4 ranged

[glass tulip]

but yeah its real tuff. We have 5

and only 1 good boomy

[subtle tundra]

4 ranged on kt

[glass tulip]

our guild is super duper recruiting boomkins

[subtle tundra]

yea like every guild is super duper recruiting boomkins

[glass tulip]

also 3 of those melee are trials

[subtle tundra]

that specs is mega uber duber broken

[glass tulip]

we just cant get any at 5/10

everyone we talk to would rather drop a toaster in their bathtub than reprog painsmith

[subtle tundra]

oh yea also painsmith with 4 ranges

basically 75% chance as a range to get the circle

[glass tulip]

its not that bad, just the same people doing chains

and we have to run over to the balls

but overall not the worst

[hollow river]

Look at it this way

They should learn it faster that way

Can’t healers get it too tho

[subtle tundra]

well mage and warlock dont have to play balls ever tho

blink/circle every set

[glass tulip]

all the ranged can get over

door of shadows, mage blink, or soulshape

[hollow river]

Ye

[glass tulip]

we just have those 3-4 people who suck at intermission

[hollow river]

We have a similar comp rn actually

[glass tulip]

so once they stay alive is when we win the fight super fast

[hollow river]

Just no ww

[glass tulip]

look at this windwalker damage on P1 adds

can you tell where they spawned?

[hollow river]

In Africa?

[subtle tundra]

yea monk is fine man they do no st, totally balanced

[glass tulip]

he has been doing 500k on boss in P1, then 500k on adds in 8 seconds

like cmon blizz

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

nvm

i just looked at guardian

monk does good st too

wtf

[hollow river]

Define good

[glass tulip]

spin to win

[subtle tundra]

scrap that too, apparently i dont know how warcraftlogs works

[fallen arch]

Then again he will look at your st dam and say ‘cmon blizz wtf’

[plain onyx]

Crit/Haste for missives ?

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

Unless you’re crafting obedience and plan on multi speccing

Then do crit/vers

[plain onyx]

Naah, assa all the way

[gusty mirage]

Ye crit/haste is the way

[plain onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-bowing-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-gif-5632990

[hushed dirge]

I am going to need 9.1.5 to fix my leggo because I put the wrong missive on it.

[gusty mirage]

If it’s cloak don’t even worry about it

42 or 46 of an “ideal” stat vs 42 or 46 of a non ideal stat is going to be like 3 or 4 dps if that

[hushed dirge]

Its the cloak but the stats make my crit go to shit with the shoulders I need.

It was suppose to be crit haste but I but mastery instead of crit.

[wooden perch]

is dashing scoundrel way ahead of obedience

on sylv boss dmg?

i see on warcraftlogs most people prefer it

my obedience sims higher patchwerk tho

[slow marsh]

Obed is prob actually better for sylv

But I wouldn't say it's way ahead. They're pretty neck and neck across the board

[wooden perch]

how come only 2% of top 100 logs use it then?

with dashing at 52%

doomblade 46%

kinda sus

[slow marsh]

https://c.tenor.com/7BIT9N89kkEAAAAM/meme-first-time.gif

[wooden perch]

?

[kind talon]

Because it’s a pretty recent discovery / optimization

:)

[inland hull]

I'm playing obedience, but I'm not near top 100. If dashing pulls ahead, the top 100 are going for any incremental improvement.

Seems like the buffs from obedience would make it worthwhile given p2 damage windows

But I'm also pretty dumb

So take that and all the salt you have

[kind talon]

Obedience is just better as it stands

For sylv

[oak sky]

If it sims better

:)

[wooden perch]

i mean idc

i got 262 obedience anyway

but noone gave any reasoning behind why its better

[visual prairie]

it really depends on timings. in pure patchwerk with 100% uptime, they're really close. If you can make sure obedience is on CD during all downtime in a fight and not lose any uses, then it will gain strength because it's up during a higher percentage of the actual fighting

[spice spire]

Recent discovery with MFD put obedience ahead, while dashing still good.

[inland hull]

I just like to press flag...

[spice spire]

Obedience is the best simming legendary currently at max gear. But as always I’m yourself

And pressing flag more is pretty good

[visual prairie]

they sim within 10 dps of each other for me, so it really depends on the fight. like on heroic painsmith if i use obedience, flag comes off CD just after the first intermission is starting and then spends the whole intermission off cd and i lose a lot of value of obedience

[wooden perch]

ye but sylvanas doesnt equal patchwerk lmao

far from it

no shit i can sim myself

[spice spire]

Yes

But MFD gains value from p2 sniping the small adds

So on top of obedience + MFD being good ST, it’s also good in a multi target (and small target) situation

[dense hamlet]

i mean all the p2 snipings gets lost in p3 dmg

dosent it

[spice spire]

But if p3 is ST, and MFD+ obedience is juicing ST

[dense hamlet]

ye ik that is a different thing that mfd gaining value in p2

[spice spire]

“Not at all a patchwerk fight” is a yeah sure moment. But on top of the ST gains, there’s gain in p2 as well was more of my point

So if you have gains in all three phases, wouldn’t it make sense it’s not a bad choice?

I should say, gains in potentia

You could misplay it and just perform worse.

I’m also giving an explanation above of why it could be construed as better for the fight. The argument of “2% are using obedience while 46% use dashing” is eroded with poy saying “new discovery” but instead of reading it was just said “but no one answered my question”

There’s a lot of “well duh” in the answer for someone asking the question.

[slow marsh]

Thats why I didn't bother tbh

[ebon notch]

it only seems to sim better for some people

cant figure out why

like for me it is an 80 dps loss

[kind talon]

No sylv dagger probably has something to do with it

But idk

[ebon notch]

true actually

[jaunty kayak]

when should i optimally use vendetta on myth sylv prog in p2? i tried 1st and 2nd boss burn, but vend had 40s cd left approaching the 2nd burn

[kind talon]

First platform and second burn

Can do

Yes? @ebon notch

[ebon notch]

yes

i usually flag on first vendetta and on 2nd platform

and just vendetta 2nd burn

[jaunty kayak]

welp, im necro so.. just vendetta xd

[kind talon]

Ye

Well

[ebon notch]

yeee

[jaunty kayak]

so first platform and 2nd burn.. got it

[kind talon]

If the timers are different for you and u don’t have vendetta 1st platform

You can do like

[jaunty kayak]

i do

[kind talon]

Ok

Sick

[jaunty kayak]

alright.. cheers lads <3

[spice spire]

Gonna keep it real with you. I didn’t even think about this. That might be it

600 brain poy

[kind talon]

600 brain?

What does that even mean

[spice spire]

600 IQ is what I meant to type

Holy@moly

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

Tbh if obedience sims lower theres not much of a reason to run it for p3

It would probably be good with resets in p1 and p2

But p3 is the relevant damage phase

[oak sky]

I was talking about obedience specifically

Mfd is just better than vigor

Qt least currently

[inland hull]

This is with Sylv dagger though, yeah? Without those stacks, wouldn't mfd lose value?

[spice spire]

Maybe, I’m actually going to use @ebon notch old sim in a few to test that theory. Afaik the sylv dagger thing is just conjecture

[ebon notch]

[spice spire]

He and I looked at that when the obedience sim first came out for like an hour and couldn’t figure out why, with his gear, it didn’t sim more

I mean I tried everything with that sim so I KNOW with gear you had obedience simmed worse

[inland hull]

I was thinking that in P2, the mfd use would be limited because you're gonna use it on priority adds and when available in flag windows

Idk, I've never used it there. It might pump

[ebon notch]

you can use it on one of the first low hp adds

[hollow river]

@ebon notch what’s the better sides for Sylvanas blasting

[ebon notch]

it gets gripped in and oneshotted

[hollow river]

P2

[ebon notch]

then you mfd the orbs

and you can chain like

4 resets in a row

[ebon notch]

uh

i think right side

[hollow river]

Oof

[ebon notch]

cause you can solo focus the goliath

[inland hull]

Oh damn... yeah I'm dumb

[hollow river]

Left is the aoe side?

[ebon notch]

right has a lot of aoe

[hollow river]

Ah

[ebon notch]

havent been on left but it looks more sparse

imo

cause you dont get orbs

its souljudge right?

[hollow river]

Damn

[ebon notch]

or summoner

[hollow river]

I’m assigned left

Sec

[ebon notch]

im pretty sure summoner is only on right

[hollow river]

Soul judge

And trashcan

[ebon notch]

ye right side is better

you can chain reset

off of the orbs with mfd

its literally a race to see if your apm is fast enough to take advantage of it

[inland hull]

Yeah I bet, that's some crazy funneling

[ebon notch]

because the summoner dies so fast i got to basically

[hollow river]

Well I’m fucked

[ebon notch]

solo kill the goliath

and get a full vendetta off

[ebon notch]

nah ur fine

just vendetta the off target

and pump

[hollow river]

We’re not there yet

Still have to kill KT

Probably not worth taking mfd for me then

If it doesn’t sim high for me patchwerk

[trim rain]

there’s a summoner on the 2nd ice set

[hollow river]

Would sub funnel not be of more value?

[ebon notch]

things die so quick

that sub cant really funnel

[hollow river]

Ic

I’ve been playing with the thought of sub on KT because that seems like it’s definitely better value

Instead of holding vendetta for ~1:30

[soft shale]

you can play whatever on kt now assa is neat because of how frost set works

[hollow river]

What do you mean

[oak sky]

You ct adds and have a chance to funnel on the boss

[soft shale]

you can ct little adds rupture others etc

and frost hits boss

[oak sky]

Sometimes you get a big frost crit on an add though

[soft shale]

if only adds lasted more than 10 secs

i remember not even being able to storm thrice

[hollow river]

Tanks adds or little adds

[soft shale]

both

[oak sky]

Either

[hollow river]

We leave them alive

Until end phase or just let upstairs gang kill them

[oak sky]

What?

[soft shale]

maybe they mass root them

[hollow river]

Ye

[soft shale]

i've seen some guilds do that

[oak sky]

Sounds weird

[hollow river]

?

[soft shale]

if you dont kill them they dont revive

[oak sky]

Yeah thats definitely interesting

[hollow river]

We do kill them

[oak sky]

But they also can still blow up

[soft shale]

no idea in my guild people just deleted them

[hollow river]

After last tank adds when we’re killing boss

[oak sky]

Yeah we just killed them too

[hollow river]

We either pulled boss to adds or boss dies than upstairs gang kills them

[oak sky]

They line up really well with the icicles

[hollow river]

But we mass root then so people don’t head butt them during phase

[oak sky]

You can blast them together

[inland hull]

We just stack em near the stairs and the hunters delete em

[oak sky]

But if your strat is working then I dont see a problem

Its just different from what i thought people were doing

[hollow river]

I guess we don’t wanna leave letting people die to the fixate to chance

Does damage break root cc?

I know almost nothing of other classes cc

[oak sky]

It does afaik

[hollow river]

Damn

Was gonna ct then earlier if not

Since they’re just sitting there

[sour wraith]

it won't break immediately, there's a damage threshold that a target can take before a root breaks

it's not super high though so if everyone does even a small amount of cleave the root won't last long

[hollow river]

Kk

[oak sky]

If your strat is to leave them there and not kill then just follow the strat

Its just unlucky for your pad

:(

[hollow river]

We do kill them

We just wait til we’re phasing basically

I feel like every strat on prog is bad for sin pad lmao

Oh well. Boss die

[sand totem]

Hey guys how do we sim for M+ is dungeonslice a bad idea?

[hollow river]

You sim d slice for gear upgrades ye

When it comes to what’s better to use in m+

[sand totem]

Okay cool thanks

[spice spire]

@ebon notch it's not the dagger for you

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w6G4s3BJur7tVxFGeup6gC

even tried fusion at 252

[ebon notch]

my character is broken

[spice spire]

I forgot to sim nadjia

FFS

[ebon notch]

UNBELIEVEABLE

[strange python]

is dashing only better with frost set?

nvm nvm

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3TQWqnMVEhVcwCRfexjQbz

we did it round 1

let's see if we can do it for 246s or do a marginal decrease

[ebon notch]

is that the phatty 8 dps increase?

[spice spire]

It’s higher on mine for some reason

But hell yeah brother

[hollow river]

What are you two up to

[ebon notch]

dark tech

[hollow river]

Looks like lit tech to me

[spice spire]

Just confirming a theory

Possibly idk man it’s 31 dps lol

[ebon notch]

idek what the theory was lmao

[oak sky]

Nadjia makes obedience better

Right?

Its time buddy

Theotarisoverparty

[spice spire]

the dagger is what pushes obedience over the edge

more finishers = better

is the theory - but yeah nadjia simmed better for daps and was the only way it went over

[strange python]

wait

we use theotar for raid

o-o?

[balmy condor]

sims higher for most people yeah

[strange python]

WAIt

ive been using nadja

the entire tier

[hollow river]

So have I

Cba

[strange python]

i just thought nadja was better

hol up..

[hollow river]

I use Theo for sub and cba changing conduits during raid

[balmy condor]

I mean it's like what

30 dps better?

[hollow river]

Exactly

Hence why I cba

[balmy condor]

dashing scoundrel diff btw

if you don't run dashing, probably not worth

[hollow river]

246 phial is +60 dps for me

And I cba

[strange python]

im still using doomblade unholy

yea theotar was uhh

30 dps

xd

i wish i could sim how much I do with dashing

but i don't have it yet

[hollow river]

You can sim it

Without having it

Top Gear. Legendary options towards the top, right under your /simc input.

[strange python]

:O

[hollow river]

[strange python]

is a damage loss without frost it seems

[hollow river]

yeah you kinda want venthyr+frost=dashing stonks

📈

[strange python]

I don't have full frost yet ; (

i just want to see how much more ill do with frost + dashing

[balmy condor]

then select the frost gems, with replace

and select the dashing you just added

[strange python]

yup on it

aight with 1 portentious and 2 foreboding i sim 80 dps higher with dashing

i c

think with 3 portentious it should be like a 200 dps increase

[grand ridge]

i think the damage from winds only increases when they are all rank 5

[amber fossil]

does anyone else sometimes have a issue with the tank add on fate? Sometimes I shadowstep and when I start hitting I hear a bunch of "swoosh" sounds, but none of my abilities are functioning

[oak sky]

Yeah its buggy sometimes

You have to get inside it or do weird shit

[amber fossil]

inside it?

I am all up in there

[oak sky]

Theres no way to make it work always

Its a shit bug

[ebon notch]

@hollow river don't be cringe upgrade your phial

[hollow river]

what phial?

if i had it i'd upgrade

cba farming it for 60 dps

[oak sky]

What ru running rn

[hollow river]

252 soulrender and 252 eye trinkets lmao

[oak sky]

Yikes

[hollow river]

no 246's seem worth

246 SGT dps loss for me

246 IQD is 30 dps

[oak sky]

Iqd 🤮

[hollow river]

exactly

i have SGT and IQD in bags

[oak sky]

What about heroic fusion amp?

[hollow river]

nope

[oak sky]

It seems like a lot of stuff would be better than the soulrender trinket

[hollow river]

still haven't gotten one

it sims well for me

[oak sky]

252 phial

[hollow river]

and the agi buff is pretty consistent

but ye if i got a 252 i'd use obv

thats like 100+ dps

[oak sky]

Its gonna be so long before i have another chance at mythic fusion amp

[hollow river]

same

[oak sky]

Have to kill sylv then reclear

[hollow river]

we've been on our extension for two weeks, three this week i think

we kill KT tmrw

[oak sky]

Tomorrow is our 2nd week of sylv prog

[hollow river]

i've gotten nothing lately

[oak sky]

And we have a set tonight

[hollow river]

even like 4 weeks before our extension

i got like 2 items and were meh

[oak sky]

Im gonna have no vault this week probably

Cba to do heroic

[hollow river]

so i've been pretty cba

to do anything

i got M remnant neck on our last reclear finally, with a socket

only notable item in almost 2 months

everything else i need comes from M raid

[bleak sun]

hey is there a spreadsheet of what we can cloak in m+ ?

[balmy condor]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[bleak sun]

ty

[glass tulip]

finally saw P3 of painsmith

got 2 hours left to raid tonight and smash him

[balmy condor]

keep the focus

you got it

[oak sky]

whispyr

i think we were already on sylv before you killed painsmith

and i think your prog probably caught up to us by now

since its 2 days with 0 prog

rn

[slow marsh]

Hey guys what's better for m+ sin or sub? Cuz I watched these two rogues do a +21 and one was sin and the other was sub and it seemed like the sin rogue was pumping harder than the sub rogue

[balmy condor]

KT dies next week

[brazen zodiac]

whispyr

painsmith dies tonight

[balmy condor]

yeh?

[brazen zodiac]

aprox 18 minutes from now

yes

we got him to

3% twice

:(

if like 4 people stop dying we get it

[violet jackal]

I don’t die get me in there

[gusty mirage]

windwalker monk best rogue spec for keys

next question

[ebon notch]

The higher you go the better sub scales

Sin is completely viable until like 23/24+

[distant ridge]

So sub>outlaw?

[drowsy parcel]

all 3 specs are good and perfectly viable for all content

pick whichever one you enjoy the most/excel the most at

[strange python]

surely this is a question better suited for the channels of either of the specs you mentioned

[gusty mirage]

it was more a meme because whispyr and I ran a key together and he was watching

[ebon notch]

It's not a cut and dry situation

Outlaw is better than both specs in some keys

And worse in others

[slow marsh]

I'm glad

Whisp just ignores me already

[slow marsh]

Too true 😅

[brazen zodiac]

ok

give yourself up

[spice spire]

Vital

[brazen zodiac]

LOOOOOOOOOL

OF ALL PEOPLE

ITS U U LIL SHIT

cme help me sum

[kind talon]

it wasnt quake

[brazen zodiac]

oh my god

[kind talon]

[brazen zodiac]

i have been bamboozleod.

it is i

the finest bitch in the west

[spice spire]

Oh yeah I was just responding to your painsmith earlier

[brazen zodiac]

we called it cause people kept on dcing

[spice spire]

Timing impeccable tho

[brazen zodiac]

huge storm in the east coast rn

[spice spire]

Yeah ik scary shit

Unlucky

It dies this week

[brazen zodiac]

oh for sure

[spice spire]

Just had to do a heroic reclear with no hance monk or warrior

[slow marsh]

You guys make me wish I was horde

[spice spire]

Join us ice

The horde welcomes you

[slow marsh]

No you

[spice spire]

Cross faction kinda cring tho

Or lack of I should say

[slow marsh]

Agreed

[brazen zodiac]

FOR DA HORDE

[slow marsh]

The only cool things I get to do are get into a heroic run with asmongold and let me just say that was God awful xD

[brazen zodiac]

im only horde cause my bf bought me wow and was horde im fake

[slow marsh]

I've always been Ally cuz horde are the bad guys

[brazen zodiac]

can someone link the ember tracker weakaura

and the iqd weakaura plz

dude ice my wow file got wiped and i lost everything

took me like 6 hours to fix it

[slow marsh]

Get rekt

[brazen zodiac]

customized to the blind

:D

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

ur bars are off-center

[ancient kraken]

Mildly infuriating

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire why do you hate me?

[spice spire]

BRO

No

I was not taking you to that fiesta

[gusty mirage]

I love fiestas

[spice spire]

214 tanking and I had to do all RL with a scuffed UI

deadass couldn’t call dispels

[gusty mirage]

I would’ve done it for you

It’s cool bro, I got 300k gold this week on sales

I don’t NEED your charity

[spice spire]

That wasn’t charity king

You’d have been like top 5 damage probably

[brazen zodiac]

.......

i FIXED IT.

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor wait does winds dam get increased by dh

[balmy condor]

yes

[ebon notch]

WHAT

i thought it was

whitelisted

is it just that vendetta doesnt increase anything

[balmy condor]

okay

so

here's how whitelists usually work

you have an ability, say winds, or a trinket

that ability, does not have a whitelist

what does have a whitelist, is the buffs that a class has

like vendetta

vendetta has a whitelist, of abilities that it affects

without a whitelist

it would affect everything

but since it is a whitelist, only the things on that list are affected

winds is not one of them

dh/monk debuff

are debuffs on the enemy

that are not whitelisted

they buff all damage of that type

[ebon notch]

nice

[balmy condor]

winds is frost damage, frost damage is magic damage, so dh debuff = more frost

[ebon notch]

ok thank you

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

really shit that we rely on like every raid buff

lmao

[fallen arch]

Never go into raid again without a DH

[gloomy violet]

in m+ after i use crimson tempest , do i use rupture ? or envenom

do i just spam rupture on all the targets ?

[ebon notch]

keep envenom buff up

rupture on 4 targets max

becomes hard to maintain after that

[gloomy violet]

so i only put rupture on 4 targets , after that i use envenom ?

alright thanks so muich

[ebon notch]

you open with

4 garrotes

then CT

then ruptures

(assuming you're running subterfuge)

[gloomy violet]

yep

[glass tulip]

best painsmith pull was 30%

this fool is dying on thursday after tuesday reclear

112 pulls so far

our druids are literally trolling with spike deaths so im sending a package of glitter to the druid discord

[gusty mirage]

Put ruptures on everything you can. Maintain CT and envenom to refresh slice and dice

It’s a bit of a pain in the ass to juggle at first but gets easier with time. Only time you’d stop rupturing is if you need to kill a priority target asap

[frail fossil]

what are u saying

this aint sub

[ebon notch]

what

no i mean

you put rupture on 4 targets

not rupture up to being in combat with 4 targets

[gusty mirage]

You put rupture on as many targets as you can if they’re not going to die before the majority of the dot ticks

[ebon notch]

putting up more than 4 is like

possible but

kinda pain in the ass to maintain

[frail fossil]

u do

[gusty mirage]

Hard? Yeah

It is

[frail fossil]

it's how assa works lol

[ebon notch]

and ur giga energy capped also

[frail fossil]

rupture is ur best finisher

[ebon notch]

i mean keeping up envenom buff and CT on as many targets as possible probably has more gain

than a 5th rupture

[gusty mirage]

Energy capped in m+ is whatever tbh. It’s not that big of a deal

[ebon notch]

for sure was like

outside of dps

on that target

what are you gaining

[gusty mirage]

Huge % of our damage comes from bleeds, especially with zoldyk

[ebon notch]

cause you will be energy capped at that point

[gusty mirage]

Well you’re gaining damage

[ebon notch]

like i said a 5th rupture compared to a CT isnt much right

5th being a hypothetical and not a static amount

[gusty mirage]

That’s why you put up ruptures in between maintaining CT and envenoming for the snd refresh

[ebon notch]

i mean if you have literally nothing else to press then sure put another rupture up

but outside of CT, the existing 4 ruptures and envenom buff

[gusty mirage]

Where’s the 4 coming from out of curiosity?

[zinc frost]

There’s no magic number of ruptures tho

[gusty mirage]

Why is that the magical number lol

[ebon notch]

idk just experience

[frail fossil]

feelcrafters

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

if im wrong tell me i shut up no cap

im being anecdotal af rn

[balmy condor]

You’re wrong and I can’t believe I spent dozens of hours of my life optimizing dungeonslice for sin to keep correcting this rupture stuff

[ebon notch]

sorry

[balmy condor]

See faq

[ebon notch]

understood

thank you

[oak sky]

@balmy condor in the process of conversion

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

babys first key

too many cds to press

but that rotation is so easy

[kind talon]

@balmy condor

i imported agreons plater profile for a key

https://i.imgur.com/iQ61GLj.png

hes actually a psychopath

[plain onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-shit-holyshit-holyfuckingshit-adam-devine-gif-5108242

[ebon notch]

burn it down

[kind talon]

[soft shale]

you havent seen mine

[oak sky]

its literally his ui overlayed with my ui

its not what mine looks like

[soft shale]

you have enough information for two thesis

in like 10 secs

[kind talon]

LMAO

[stable rose]

pardon my stupidity but what is winds?

[oak sky]

winds of winter, the frost set bonus

[stable rose]

ah okay raid stuffs, no wonder i had 0 ideas, thanks O/

[oak sky]

np

[ebon notch]

post screenshot

from vod

please

sylvanas specifically

[upbeat needle]

Trying to go from cracked rogue to super cracked rogue so someone answer this question for me

[ebon notch]

the trick is more crack

weird i know

[upbeat needle]

Or rather, I need someone to properly explain pooling to me. When it's necessary and how to correctly do it

LMAO

[ebon notch]

best way to approach pooling is

[upbeat needle]

But Ik you should pool before shiv window, yeah?

[ebon notch]

become conscious of your envenom buff uptime

check logs

and see what the uptime looks like

most of the time it should be 90%+

from there you realise that you dont necessarily need to be spamming envenom

then you realise that you end up pooling naturally

[oak sky]

You just don't envenom until you have a lot of energy

Like 30 less than cap

Then during shiv vendetta flag you spam finishers

[upbeat needle]

Someone check my logs

[ebon notch]

go to yourself, then buffs

and check envenom

you can do it homie i believe

[upbeat needle]

No I mean like

pick a recent fight tell me how I can improve kinda deal

[soft shale]

you can have a trigger for energy at 120 or 70 that says BAM

[upbeat needle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/60816463

[ebon notch]

hacha this is why your UI is cursed

[upbeat needle]

you a smart motherfucker

[ebon notch]

if i had random BAMs shouting at me mid fight

id be wondering what mechanic i just got hit by

[upbeat needle]

Hachadino a smart motherfucker

[soft shale]

i dont have any of those anymore

[upbeat needle]

big fan of Hach

[soft shale]

now im a leet streamer

[ebon notch]

hacha go read his logs

i have a job interview in a minute

[upbeat needle]

my ui be making meow noises and shit idk what the fuck it's for

[soft shale]

i even have my tutututututut from bl hidden in sound card

[upbeat needle]

I use Devlin shit

Be randomly playing and just hear a fuckin cat I wonder if it's somethin for energy

Painsmith kill prob would be a good one to check maybe

kill was kinda cursed tho ngl

[soft shale]

one neat thing for next painsmith you can do

is you can mfd ball

then it dies

then mfd another ball

and it suicides

then boss

rinse and repeat

[drowsy parcel]

dont drop alacrity in intermission

i see this too often

mfd/punch balls to keep it up

[ebon notch]

yh before you had to fan of knives

to keep shit up

or mut the balls

now you can just mfd

kids these days got it good

[brazen zodiac]

dude i tried backpeddling on painsmith and kept dying

just couldn't do it lmfao

[ebon notch]

just strafe then

[oak sky]

Backpedaling is too fast tbh

[soft shale]

depends

if you have a monk it was fking my brain

you never expect the extra ms

and run out of melee rrange

[kind talon]

thats not correct

you definitely want to mfd balls

3 finishers

[oak sky]

mfd with flag but otherwise mfd when balls spawn

[celest ruin]

how much do i have to pay for this

[soft shale]

not really sellable in the west

[oak sky]

if you pay more you get kindred spirits and blessing of winter

[soft shale]

but on other areas you can invest

in a simp zerg

for the modest price of xxx

[celest ruin]

does wclogs still not show kindred spirits buff?

[hallow sage]

actually fucking unethical

[soft shale]

as far as i know they dont track banner/hunter kyrian leggo/kindred/pala nf leggo/cov yet

[oak sky]

its on aura/buff uptime

but not buffs

[soft shale]

he means on the list of shame

[oak sky]

yeah

[soft shale]

so a person could have like 210 external casts on him

but it would only show like 20 rn

[kind talon]

ah so thats how ceverion gets rank 1

[alpine latch]

Meanwhile in my alt's guild we're doing Soulrender with 1 or no DKs

Can't imagine what it's like having enough priests to PI-stack

[spice spire]

[clever kindle]

whats a PI

I'm in a guild with 4 warlocks and 3 boomkins

never heard of it

[limber lion]

PI is bad

You can have your PI simps, I'll take a Kyrian Druid simp personally

[spice spire]

Porque no los Dos?

[shrewd helm]

So I just got the guardian trinket last night. Do y’all just macro it into vendetta?

[balmy condor]

I hope not

It’s 1:30 and vendetta is 2 min

That doesn’t sound very good

[shrewd helm]

Ty @balmy condor I’ll be honest I hadn’t even looked at the cd. I got it on the last boss of the night and went to bed after

[lavish lichen]

You can macro it into vendetta to save a bind. If you put the trinket first you can press it even when Vendetta is on CD.

[hoary night]

Guys i just realized dashing affects poison bomb as well

[spice spire]

Correct

Poisons aren’t the same thing on everything

So like Zoldyck’s doesn’t effect Poison bomb at all -

[hoary night]

And because envenom deals dmg after the buff is applied so it’s a straight 15% bonus crit to envenom in any case

Yeah zold is just strange

[hollow river]

Zold is bleeds

Dashing is poisons

[hoary night]

Seems like “poisons” and “Poisons” are not the same thing

[spice spire]

It’s not just Zoldyck’s it’s mastery too

[spice spire]

Poisons and bleeds

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

But like shutter said Poisons and poisons are different ig

[hoary night]

The texting is really weird out there

[spice spire]

Legit the only thing I can think of

Outside of spaghetti code

[hoary night]

And in my language we don’t have the capital letter to differentiate

[spice spire]

Even better

[hoary night]

They are essentially all “poisons” Jesus Christ

[spice spire]

Also for English as not primary language, you display very good English - completely off topic

[spice spire]

[hoary night]

Nah thanks - even further

[spice spire]

But yeah dashing works with PB. Weird stuff

[bleak sky]

gl on vaults kings

[spice spire]

You as well mister minalba

[hoary night]

Two days to go for me haha

[hollow river]

No vault for me

[bleak sky]

that's a big sad

not even M+ vault?

[hollow river]

No

[bleak sky]

f

[spice spire]

OOOOOOOF

[hollow river]

We extended and I’ve been too busy

Been working a lot of overtime but not this week

[hoary night]

Tbh I’m out of passion to play for now. Looking forward to my dashing sin in m+ in 9.1.5

[hollow river]

After like 4-6 weeks of practically no new gear I kinda got unmotivated

Ima grind this week

[spice spire]

Got a phial with a tertiary this week. I got a valor sink

In a mythic

Not in my vault

[hollow river]

246 phial is like 60 dps for me

And my trinkets aren’t great lmao

[spice spire]

I already have a 246

But this one has S P E E D

[hollow river]

Lmao

I need a guardian trinket so baaaad

[hoary night]

I have 246 phial since the second week

But I don’t even have a 239 amp until now

[bleak sky]

never have I ever seen a phial in vaults

not in s1 nor s2

[pure moth]

Keep running dos for sgt

[hoary night]

Well I have seen it

In my DK’s vault

[hollow river]

I have sgt 246 it’s a dps loss

[bleak sky]

is it good for the dps dks?

[hollow river]

I have iqd but it’s 30 dps so cba running it

[bleak sky]

I know it's pretty good on blood, but idk about the hitty bois

[hollow river]

I have 252 Soulrender and eye trinkets

Only thing I see worth having is 252 amp and 252 phial

[hoary night]

Completely not

[spice spire]

246 phial wouldn’t be bad to replace the 252 soul render

[hoary night]

You want soldier and iqd#/crystal

[spice spire]

Eye isn’t bad with frost set

[hollow river]

Nop

[hoary night]

Any dks don’t need the flat dmg from trinket.

[hollow river]

Oh U meant dk

[hollow river]

Yeah ik just cba running 50 PF for 60 dps

I’ll prolly try to get it anyway

[spice spire]

Oh yeah I wouldn’t focus PF for it

But passively just yoink it

[bleak sky]

what about that ring tho

[hoary night]

Pf ring?

[bleak sky]

yep yep

[hoary night]

Kinda good for raid

Definitely you want to have a sylv ring because of the huge huge crit

[bleak sky]

raidbots wants me to use the 246 pf over 246 sylv ring

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

ever since obedience + mfd raidbots wants me to have a bit more haste it seems

or less crit idk

[hoary night]

Then use both

[bleak sky]

no lol

[hoary night]

How much crit you have now?

[bleak sky]

right now it's at 42% i think, not sure on the absolute values

[hoary night]

You are already in the 10% dr range so I guess that’s why raidbots sims haste over crit for you

Trust it then

[hollow river]

I have it. If I upgrade it to 226 it’s 30 dps.

[bleak sky]

226?

[hollow river]

I’d rather get SD ring for sub and upgrade it

Because that’s 100 dps for my sub

Already have 246 sylv ring

252 MH, 246 EoN

[bleak sky]

246 edge

[hollow river]

Basically no upgrades for me besides 252 vault loot

KT dies tonight

[bleak sky]

[hoary night]

and 259 edge i guess

[hollow river]

Ok 252+ vault loot

[bleak sky]

259 edge just a modest 270 dps upgrade

[hollow river]

O.o

Idk about all that

[toxic quail]

I’m feeling a 259 Edge in Vault.

Stay tuned boys.

[brazen zodiac]

I'm feeling the disappointment.

Stay tuned ladies and gentlemen.

I don't even get to open my vault till I'm off this bus and that ain't for another 14 hours. :(

[fallen arch]

In a bus for 14hrs

[brazen zodiac]

Yeah I wanna die.

Fk NYC

[spice spire]

[zinc frost]

That’s super gross.. I don’t even like 30 minute bus rides

[slim pebble]

I was only able to do 3 keys this week and no raid bosses so without a doubt disappointment is imminent

[subtle tundra]

how tf do people do really high nw last boss

[lavish lichen]

hammers

[subtle tundra]

nah

thats not it chief

i've tried it 26,25,24 and we didnt even get close to killing it on any of them

[lavish lichen]

We’ll certainly higher than I’ve done 😛

What was the problem?

[subtle tundra]

when boss gets shield, he starts doing aoe

while he has shield

its like 250k health

[lavish lichen]

How many hammers did you have each time?

[subtle tundra]

all 3

its not enough

its a 5 min boss fight

[lavish lichen]

When did you use?

[subtle tundra]

when we didnt have cds to break shield

[lavish lichen]

Maybe you can buy more time with defensives?

How did you use those?

[subtle tundra]

nah

thats obvious usage

[brazen zodiac]

It is an awful feeling

[lavish lichen]

Idk i havent done a key that high since BFA so just trying to get you to brain storm

[brazen zodiac]

Doesn't help that there's sooo much damn traffic!

[lavish lichen]

I mean not really

Like OFC you use defensives

[brazen zodiac]

And above that I have like 2 suit cases and a backpack filled with textbooks

[lavish lichen]

But you could have BETTER defensives usage idk

[subtle tundra]

the problem is you basically always have 1 person going down, and it also happens that two people are down at the same time

[lavish lichen]

Play outlaw 😛

[subtle tundra]

nah thats not it

people do it with sub

i literally dont know how they did it on 29

when we wipe at 40% on 25

[lavish lichen]

More than one way to skin a cat but just saying it does help in that regard

What was your comp?

[subtle tundra]

you wont see me play outlaw as long as assa is ok

frost, aff, me, resto sham, bear

[lavish lichen]

Maybe fire can help better with shields? Not sure how much value you get from frost in the rest of the dungeon tho

[subtle tundra]

i'd say fire is even worse

takes longer to kill mob

does lower constant dps

[zinc frost]

I feel like frost is the play for tyrannical

[alpine latch]

That's how I feel about m+ and general nowadays.

[zinc frost]

Was watching that 29, monk purposely dies to get breezed up top

[lavish lichen]

Hmmm not sure tbh maybe you can find a vod for the 29

Yea time saved by that too

Die and get brez

[alpine latch]

I think it's on wowhead

[subtle tundra]

its on yt

they had 7 min boss fight

[lavish lichen]

Is necro still bugged?

It used to not let you get rez’d if you were played bonesmith and died

[subtle tundra]

like, the only thing i can think of is for everyone to hold resources/small cds for shield aswell, but then you have very low boss dmg and takes even longer

[lavish lichen]

Yea :/ you’d just have to go wasaay faster in the rest of the dungeon to play it safe like that

[pure moth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[toxic quail]

no dagger but 2 sylvanas items boys D:

[zinc frost]

Oof that’s a nice vault

Minus no sylv dagger

[toxic quail]

yeah cant be too mad

[bleak sky]

i mean they've got a prot pala

which is giga single dps

[ebon garden]

if i have 2 sylv daggers is the proc individual or is it added together in proc chance? for example with 1 dagger and 6 combo points its 18% chance for proc, is it 36% proc if you have 2 or is it 2 individual 18% chances?

[magic tendon]

Is doomblade lego bis or not?

[spice spire]

No, for this I’d recommend reading both pins and FAQ, as the bis conversation has a few factors

[gusty mirage]

I think they save a spear for the last boss

and just multi-phase 3rd boss

[alpine latch]

Grats man. No upgrades for me on either of my rogues, but I'm glad someone's getting something.

[feral lantern]

how can o tell if i should go doomblasde or dashing?

[alpine latch]

You sim it. Go to Top Gear and add the legendaries

Select an item level, select your stats, and then add hit the "Add items to top gear"

Then go through and select them

[arctic hare]

Whats the affixes?

[zinc frost]

Grevious and inspiring

[feral lantern]

i mean if they sim withing a couple % of eachother, which one shines more when stopping dps for mechinics/aoeing adds?

[limber lion]

Dashing is the better overall choice

As it actually does something in AoE unlike Doomblade

[feral lantern]

thanks, any fights where zoldyks wins? maybe soulrender, keep the dots strong during the dance/pulling chains / and the add phase

[limber lion]

No

Never ever play Zoldyck in raids.

It is our weakest legendary in single target and only excels in m+

[peak bobcat]

Is the gain from MFD /obedience worth taking it over vigor/dash?

[limber lion]

Sure is

[halcyon zealot]

MFD / Dashing is also probably a gain for you

[limber lion]

For some encounters

[peak bobcat]

I used it on reclear and it felt especially good on kt, and soulrender

Was just curious if a fight like painsmith for example if it was worth with there being downtime for flag in between anyways

[feral lantern]

thanks for the help

[spice spire]

But the thiccy funnel damage papi

[delicate raft]

recently picking up sin coming from sub and dashing sims a good bit lower for me than obedience, is it mainly the fact that i have blood shards leveled and not frost that does that?

[spice spire]

Venthyr I assume? If so yes

[sacred island]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CjLkKyn1mwxhQf64#fight=39&type=summary&source=4 Can i get a log review? curious to see if im screwing my rotation up

[arctic walrus]

Fix your opener and stop delaying shiv so much

[delicate raft]

weird, checked MFD and didnt realize how good it was with venthyr, 240 dps increase to swap into it

[subtle gyro]

I have a question about ICD, finally got one, rank 12. Would it be better to use it at the start with all other CD's, or should i be waiting for Fatal Flaw. My gut is saying to use at the start. Anyone have an opinion on this perhaps 🙂 Thank you

IQD*

[gusty mirage]

It’s a relatively new optimization

[gusty mirage]

You want to use your on-use trinkets as often as possible tbh

Holding it could mean you get 1 less cast for the 3 min cd

[spice spire]

You’re also regularly missing CD casts. I checked KT, the grue and the eye. Mostly flag but on the heroic grue, you missed vendetta + vanish @sacred island

[delicate raft]

assume just use mfd on cd and make sure i use every second mfd with flag if im using obedience?

[subtle gyro]

Totally understand that, just wasnt sure if stacking the crit from it along with Fatal Flaw would yield a better result

[gusty mirage]

But for bosses where the kill time is less than 6 minutes you could hold because you’ll only get 1 cast anyway

Err 2 casts

[sacred island]

Should I hold vanish for vendetta then?

[spice spire]

Also on KT, but fight could be weird

[gusty mirage]

Opener stays the same, you sneak the mfd in to the MA window and then on cd after

[delicate raft]

ok and then looking at pins trying to figure out, from stealth is it mut the first time and then garrote after ?

[gusty mirage]

You’d still mut > snd > mut > garrote > rupture

[delicate raft]

kk

[spice spire]

They’re both two minute CDs so you usually just pop them on CD

[plain onyx]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[bleak sky]

some = not guardian, is that it?

nvm, not many mfd anywhere on top 100 F