assassination

[oak sky]

venthyr is fun because you get another big cd

necro is fun because you press buttons more

[brazen zodiac]

!ui

[hollow river]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[steel ridge]

Kyr doesnt really do much for sin, is that it?

[kind talon]

I swear to god

[hollow river]

Necro easily the most fun cov for sin imo

[oak sky]

kyrian is like playable but definitely not good

[kind talon]

The guide says to use ER during MA windows in vendetta

But like

There’s no way it’s correct

[hollow river]

:?

[kind talon]

It’s only 3 cp

Instead of 4

[steel ridge]

Does sin geht double cp from ER crit?

[kind talon]

You get 3

[steel ridge]

Yeah 3 thats what i thought

[kind talon]

So like

[steel ridge]

But it should chunk alot more than mut

[kind talon]

Vanish envenom mut envenom

Is better than

Vanish envenom Er mut

No?

[steel ridge]

In opener you go mut snd er

[kind talon]

Ye

[steel ridge]

No?

[hollow river]

Depends on how much dmg ER does with the crit on avg

[kind talon]

That’s correct

@balmy condor thoughts?

[oak sky]

is it energy efficient

[kind talon]

There are definitely times where

Your ER goes to exact cp

So you get

[oak sky]

dude

er is super energy efficient

wtf

[kind talon]

Vanish envenom Er envenom (7cp) and u nut

[oak sky]

10 energy

for 2 cp

[kind talon]

10 cp

[steel ridge]

I am arguing to change to kyr for a while

[balmy condor]

Why not just er snd mut

[steel ridge]

Good call

[kind talon]

That’s fine Ye

But I’m talking about vendetta windows with ma vanish Er up

[oak sky]

er does more damage costs less than mut

no?

think about why we mut over ambush

its because it does similar damage, but can generate more efficiently

because it costs less

or something

[steel ridge]

Mut is 50

[kind talon]

If you vanish envenom Er mut

You are

[oak sky]

is ambush also 50

am i crazy

[balmy condor]

Yes ambush is also 50

[kind talon]

Guaranteeing overcap 2cp

[oak sky]

yeah

well

my argument fell apart

[kind talon]

That can’t be good

[balmy condor]

I mean ez solution

Just don’t overcap

[echo geyser]

[oak sky]

it seems like the big dam from er

makes it worth tossing in the crit window

[upbeat needle]

just read

so

actually I'm bout to message you ingame no need to clog up chat

[brazen zodiac]

im reloading my shit every 2 seocnds so u should probs just dm me

[upbeat needle]

bet

[cinder cape]

Do you have to kill Sylv this week to get sylv loot in vault?

[pseudo hamlet]

No

If you killed her once, you will be always able to get the loot(as long as you kill the numbers of the bosses required for the great vault)

[cinder cape]

Awesome thanks

Trying to pug her this week has been nothing but pain for me

[pseudo hamlet]

I feel you, though its getting easier each week. Some of my friends got the kill this and the last week

[hushed timber]

er?

[spice spire]

Echoing reprimand - the Kyrian ability

[wary pawn]

CT

[slow marsh]

Why are we talking about kyrian sin

[echo geyser]

@kind talon is trying to be the best one

[slow marsh]

I see

[gilded belfry]

Ok I suspect this will be painful, but I'm really struggling to get decent DPS and I'm hoping folks can give some pointers. I've reviewed these myself and off the bat Rupture and Garotte uptime are lower than I'd like and It looks like my flayed wing trinket buff must have fallen off. There are also more early finishers than I'd like to see, but my recollection is a number of those are wanting to spend something before moving out to take care of the ping pong dispells and whatnot. At the end of the day, my DPS is just VERY low apparently for my ilvl. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JZfTX1q26QNdMHyD/#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=16

[ornate dawn]

Hold up your using blood gem set?

[kind talon]

This is the best timeline

[gilded belfry]

yeah...I play all three specs intermittently and it seemed like the most flexible

[spice spire]

Few things here:
A. You’re using blood gems, which is our worst set, so this auto affects your parse a little.
B. This (seems) like prog and as such, you’re learning the fight, that being said. With BS/DS; overcapping is more punishing, you wasted 11 CP out of like 200ish which is circa 5% so that’s bad.
C. And probably the most egregious, your energy overcap was high, like VERY high. That is probably a large reason for it as well.
D. You missed a flag cast man - sync unless you’ll miss a cast

Wasted above

[strange python]

I think your biggest thing also - is downtime

[spice spire]

Remnant shouldn’t have a ton of downtime tbh.

[strange python]

I have 34% downtime on my 94 parse - and you have 55% downtime - that's a lot

BUT

look at all of your group's downtime

I mean not every single raid "setup" is capable of parsing if you're following with how the raid leader says to do it.

[slow marsh]

its not hard to have closeo to full uptime on remnant

[gilded belfry]

Yeah its basically progression. Maybe second kill? So tehre's a lot of "run like chicken without head" time

[ornate dawn]

If your not doing orbs just stay on the boss 100% of the time

[strange python]

There are a lot of variables in that fight - and honestly with the downtime where it is - i think the rest is speculation.

[gilded belfry]

RL has us all moving off the boss to come closer to the person being dispelled on platform side

[slow marsh]

ther'es no speculation about it

[strange python]

When the RL says that, i stay on the boss, and just shadowstep

Just depends on positioning - if i can get to that "side" of the boss, I do you know

[spice spire]

I legit posted 4 things to improve on from data - this is a lava take

[ornate dawn]

@gilded belfry Even on mythic I dont ever move off the boss

you either cloak a bomb if your doing ping pong (should just mas dispell) or you just shadowstep back to the boss

If im off the boss for more than 2 seconds im losing my shit

[gilded belfry]

Thanks. Not much I can do about the Gems yet, but with the way its looking we'll all have maxed 9 gems by the time we see anything new. Sounds like the single biggest issue is more a tactical one than a rotational one. ie. Just stay on the damned boss

[limber lion]

Everything @spice spire said and;

• Your uptimes on bleeds is atrocious. It should be close to 98-99%, not 79% and 87%

• Your gear is not the best, and Flayedwing for one is one of the worst trinkets in the game.

• Press everything you have on cooldown, this includes Shiv, Vendetta and Flag. You missed quite a few casts by holding or doing something else.

• Make sure to always hit the boss from behind. You'll end up missing/parrying a lot of attacks if you hit it from the front.

The #1 thing to improve on is definitely the bleed uptime though

[spice spire]

He mentioned that immediately, so I figured that was identified but yeah. I definitely missed the parried+missing bit

[limber lion]

Because the lower bleed up time = the less energy you get = less generators you get = the less combo points you get = less finishers you get = less damage you do

[spice spire]

Ethical log viewer Cev

[strange python]

So your argument is that "overcapping energy" has absolutely nothing to do with uptime right?

[limber lion]

Gear goes a long way and having the best legendary (Dashing/Obedience) and r5 winds will take you far.

[gilded belfry]

yeah. the bleed uptime I recognize. Trinkets i'll have to sim teh stuff in the bags

[limber lion]

You can definitely get a better trinket from a m+ dungeon

[gilded belfry]

well, Obediance I have in the bags from playing sub

[limber lion]

Or just the 246 amplifier from Guardian

[strange python]

My point is: fix the uptime and then review the logs.

[gilded belfry]

Makes sense, thanks all

[lavish lichen]

239

[limber lion]

Don't get me wrong, the gear and legendary choice is fine

[ebon notch]

the uptime is not his biggest problem though

everything else should be fixed first because those carry over to every single boss in the raid

[limber lion]

But you really need to get r5 frost, fix your uptime, don't overcap resources and press everything on cooldown.

[strange python]

26% of the time - not being on the boss - is probably his biggest problem.

[ebon notch]

regardless of uptime

[limber lion]

And stop using BS/DS

[strange python]

so I disagree

[limber lion]

Just stick to EP/Vig or EP/MFD

[spice spire]

Uptime shouldn’t be an issue here. And even if you have 2 balls - you won’t overcap 20% of your energy. There are things you can immediately address and see even with an uptime issue (which won’t be a thing as he learns the fight)

[strange python]

so 57% downtime - is totally ok - and has nothing to do with the other things. OK got it.

[ebon notch]

thats not what i said, and if you are going to be intentionally obtuse then whats the point replying to you

[strange python]

dont reply to me

[ebon notch]

then stop spouting misinformation

[strange python]

I'm not even talking to you lol

[ebon notch]

and stop being so sensitive

[gilded belfry]

I dont think Downtime Issues and Rotation issues are mutally exclusive, sadly

[ornate dawn]

@gilded belfry Also, starting from the beginning, I think your opener could do with a little tweaking so you get max benefit from Flagellation

You probably want to move your garotte/rupture flagellation around since you are kinda having them backwards

So pull > Mut, SnD, Mut, Garotte, Flag, Rupture

[strange python]

It's not misinformation and I'm not being sensitive.

[ebon notch]

i clearly said that it is not his BIGGEST problem

[strange python]

The uptime needs fixed - without the uptime being fixed, it's not worth focusing on other parts.

[ebon notch]

the other things cev mentioned should and can be fixed first

[strange python]

so fix blood set - before fixing uptime

[lavish lichen]

Well they are the same

[strange python]

That's pointless.

[lavish lichen]

Mostly

Cerv said bleed uptime

[strange python]

He can't just magically fix his blood set to be frost overnight.

But he can immediately fix uptime.

[ebon notch]

bleed uptime, overcapping, energy expenditure

[lavish lichen]

Which is directly correlated to general uptime on boss

[strange python]

I'm not gonna argue. I'm right. Period.

[ebon notch]

these things are all far more important

[lavish lichen]

All of that is the same

[spice spire]

These are things to improve on outside of “learn the fight”

[lavish lichen]

What are you saying

Energy overcap is because they aren’t hitting the boss

[strange python]

I'm saying 57% downtime needs fixed before it's worth looking at the other things.

[ebon notch]

yes, like i said they carry over to every single boss fight because they are the intrinsic mechanics of the spec

[spice spire]

Bad line to take. “Those who know all, no nothing.”

[lavish lichen]

You dont hit the boss you overcap on energy

[ebon notch]

yea fair

[lavish lichen]

You dont hit the boss your bleeds fall

Its the same thing

[strange python]

No matter if you fix the other things or not, 57% downtime will lead to a bad parse, energy overcapping, and maybe some of the other issues. Period.

[spice spire]

I’m also not sure where you see 57% downtime?

[ornate dawn]

@gilded belfry you got any kind of bleed tracker?

[ebon notch]

not if you're playing around the fight

[strange python]

And I never said i "know everything"

lol

[ebon notch]

you clearly behave like it

[lavish lichen]

I mean

[strange python]

I don't.

[ebon notch]

your attitude is not conducive to teaching others how to improve their gameplay

[lavish lichen]

If yiu have 55% downtime

[strange python]

It absolutely is

[lavish lichen]

Your bleeds fall

[strange python]

He needs to fix his downtime and then re-review. Period.

[lavish lichen]

Sure when you only have 10%

They don’t

[spice spire]

Again, I’m going to reiterate. Where do you see 57% downtime?

[strange python]

In the logs that he linked...............

[spice spire]

This is a legit question, you may know something I don’t

I see 99, that’s why I’m confused

[ebon notch]

if the boss is prog, uptime will also naturally trend upwards as he becomes more comfortable with the fight

idk how many attempts he has though

[strange python]

For Remnant, < 40% downtime is generally considered average.

I think it should be even lower, personally....but it is what it is

[limber lion]

What number are you looking at?

Where do you get 40% downtime

Here's his uptime

[strange python]

that's active time

[limber lion]

Correct

[strange python]

you're saying he was hitting the boss, actively, in melee range 99.72% of the time?

[gilded belfry]

Incidentally I think that active and uptime are distinct.

[strange python]

That's NOT what that means lol

[limber lion]

Link me

the uptime thing

then

[cobalt pelican]

they are different but there's no measurement of uptime lol

not that's accurate at least

so you're just saying nonsense

[strange python]

There is - wowanalyzer will give you uptime

[cobalt pelican]

lol

[limber lion]

LMAO

LMAO

holy fuck

[gusty mirage]

Oh no

[rigid pine]

[limber lion]

Okay anything that Ahv just told you @gilded belfry

don't listen to it

It's all bullshit

[drowsy parcel]

[strange python]

Uptime can certainly be calculated by number of melee hits vs swing timer divided by length of boss fight.

It's simple math.

[spice spire]

Melee damage

[ebon notch]

so yeah @strange python i think you should take a break homie

[spice spire]

That doesn’t scream that little uptime to me

[limber lion]

Yeah, Wowanalyzer is omega out of date

[ebon notch]

no hes fine on uptime

[limber lion]

And it even says that when you try to open up a log

[strange python]

ok....so you're saying that 100% of the time (or 99.72%) he was standing in melee of the boss, white-hitting it?

[limber lion]

It literally warns you

You should

never

ever

ever

ever

[gilded belfry]

But yeah, a lot of these issues appear interlinked. RL has us out of the boss hit box. That leads to both bleeds falling and overcapping. But it doesnt create the wasted points, rotational issues, flubbed opener, wrong gem sets or missing flag cast.

[limber lion]

look at Wowanalyzer

[ebon notch]

and even if it was bad, on prog your uptime will trend upwards naturally. the other problems were far bigger of an impact on his dps

(and i dont mean the blood set)

[ember mural]

W wanalyzer

[cobalt pelican]

active time is covered by dots and pretty much everyone learning fights has downtime issues that can lose you a lot of dps but

using random percentages you find on noxxics support website isn't helpful

[strange python]

I disagree

I don't want to argue - you won't convince me.

[limber lion]

Melee swings are not an accurate representation of downtime

[gilded belfry]

Oh and the parry is impacted there too, because tank has it facing dispell with us in between Boss and Dispell, so im hitting it in the face

[limber lion]

Are you actually

[strange python]

So go back to doing what you were doing.

[limber lion]

fucking serious

You cannot say

that he had 40% downtime

[spice spire]

Wrong gems hella minor. Just puts you at a little disadvantage is all. Just something to look at

[limber lion]

You can literally open up the replay

And look at him

Glued to the boss

[strange python]

Literally their whole raid parsed green or grey

[limber lion]

You do realize melee swing time

is dependant on haste levels

[strange python]

They are literally standing away from the boss for long periods of time.

[limber lion]

It changes

If you have WFT

Or lust

Or haste buffs

or procs

it's not constant

you're actually out of your mind if you think that people have 40% downtime

on a patchwork boss like Remnant

[ornate dawn]

Id get gkicked if I had 40% downtime

[strange python]

It's not like his whole raid was parsing well and he was green. There's mechanical and uptime things going on in that fight that are causing it.

Period.

[ebon notch]

but you have no evidence of 40% downtime

[limber lion]

You're completely wrong

[strange python]

I'm not completely wrong

[limber lion]

Yo

[strange python]

I'm completely correct.

[ebon notch]

there is no way he was just not hitting the boss for 40% of the fight

[limber lion]

How about

[strange python]

Like I said - you will not convince me. So go on with your day and i'll go on with mine.

[limber lion]

You take the #1 Remnant log

And you slap that in Wowanalyzer

That should have close to 99% uptime

right?

right?

Because it's r1

surely

let's see it

[ebon notch]

how about you dont spread misinformation and a shitty attitude and just back off?

[random fossil]

Lmao what did I just join

[ebon notch]

clearing out the trash

[ornate dawn]

Helping someone turned into a fiesta

[strange python]

I'm not spreading misinformation - there are mechanical things happening in the fight that are not conducive to the raid parsing well. Period.

[limber lion]

[random fossil]

Period.

[strange python]

So funny

[ebon notch]

why do you keep saying period wtf.

[limber lion]

40% downtime

is misinformation

[drowsy parcel]

any perioders

[ebon notch]

imagine spending almost 40% of the fight DOING NOTHING

[strange python]

OK - you won't convince me so

[spice spire]

But you are. By saying “you can’t convince me I’m right” on a wrong point is just

[ebon notch]

is there a single fight where that happens??

[strange python]

just go on with your day and i'll go on with mine

[limber lion]

It's okay Ahv

Maybe you'll get a 99 one day

[strange python]

It's not wrong.

[ornate dawn]

@gilded belfry Look what you have done

[ebon notch]

@strange python link logs please

[limber lion]

Gotta work on that uptime

[strange python]

Look at you guys trying to bully me

lol

[ebon notch]

there is no bullying

[strange python]

k

[ebon notch]

you are being assertive while being completely in the wrong

[hardy dagger]

[spice spire]

Abba wholesome man just wanted help

[whole pilot]

They’re not bullying, they’re challenging an opinion

[spice spire]

[strange python]

i'm 100% right

[whole pilot]

That is wrong

[ebon notch]

LMAOOO

[random fossil]

Trying to help you buddy. Period.

[strange python]

Disagree

I dont want help

[ebon notch]

link me your logs

right now please

[subtle tundra]

obvious troll is obvious

[strange python]

I'm not asking for help or anything.

[gilded belfry]

Someone needs to send me some gold for providing the morning's entertainment it appears

[ebon notch]

i dont want to help you

i want to see your credentials

[strange python]

Just telling him that there are core mechanics going on in that raid that would be better fixed before worrying abotu specifics.

[ebon notch]

i need to see where this opinion is coming from

[spice spire]

Aged

[strange python]

Doesn't matter if I even play wow

[spice spire]

Well

[ebon notch]

YOU ARE CAPPING

SO HARD

[strange python]

I never did say i know everything.

[random fossil]

Most entertaining train ride ever, thank you

[strange python]

But on this, i am 100% right.

[subtle tundra]

ah

so you dont play and youre 100% right

aight

[strange python]

k - it's over then

[ember mural]

Ahv 100% troll is right

[ebon notch]

@limber lion can i link some ffxiv logs i need help with my rotation

wdym you dont play the game?

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

just use ur brain lmao

[spice spire]

Jokes on you

[ebon notch]

like what??

[rigid pine]

[gusty mirage]

I got you, what server?

[limber lion]

Remember guys

[ebon notch]

@strange python link your wlogs or stop typing

[strange python]

I didn't say i dont play the game lol - i said it doesn't matter if i play the game or not, let alone link my personal logs.

[limber lion]

Instead of improving yourself

[rigid pine]

Use FFanlyzer

[spice spire]

Cev is fucking FF savant

[limber lion]

Try to improve everyone else around you

[ornate dawn]

Aerie Peak I think XD

[limber lion]

Don't improve yourself

Don't focus on yourself

[strange python]

My logs matter zero to the conversation at hand.

[limber lion]

Just blame everyone else in your team

[strange python]

I'm not here to improve myself

[subtle tundra]

yo wanna beat duke fishron before plantera on master mode? its hard so i need a knowledgeable player

[strange python]

I'm here to help others.

[limber lion]

God, I parsed bad because my team is so bad

:(((((((((((((((((((

[ebon notch]

when you are spouting complete garbage, your logs matter so it gives you even a shred of validity

[ember mural]

you cant help others being combative though

[strange python]

It's not complete garbage

[limber lion]

Sounds like someone after losing 4 games in a row in League of Legends

[ebon notch]

then link your wlogs

[limber lion]

"reeee my team"

[strange python]

I'm not going to link my logs - they are 100% inconsequential to the discussion at hand.

[ebon notch]

this but painsmith

[strange python]

This has nothing to do with my logs lol

[rigid pine]

They do. You might as well not be suitable to help someone at all

[subtle tundra]

when i play assa i just dont get mechanics

[ebon notch]

are you insecure about your ability to play well ingame as opposed to in theory?

[ornate dawn]

kekw

[limber lion]

It's like someone with grey logs trying to help someone improve their purple logs

Like

No point

[gusty mirage]

sad but true

[strange python]

No, i'm top 5% of parses so

I know i'm good

[ebon notch]

link it

[strange python]

i dont need to prove it to you guys

[limber lion]

POG

Top 5%

big man

[ember mural]

fucking liar

[ebon notch]

if you were top 5% then you would link it

[strange python]

why would i link it?

[limber lion]

Well Ahv

[ebon notch]

because that isnt something to be insecure about

[ember mural]

because youre just trolling

[limber lion]

I'm top 0.000000001%

So I think I'm more suited to give advice here

[strange python]

I'm not trollig

[subtle tundra]

well im literally top 0%

[ornate dawn]

ima go get top rank LFR brb

[ebon notch]

i was right behind him but a korean took my spot ;-;

[subtle tundra]

im above all and myself

[strange python]

THe whole raid doesn't parse green and grey because the rogue is running blood set instead of frost lol

[hardy dagger]

5% log

[strange python]

There are issues that need fixed.

I know - it's so funny isn't it @hardy dagger

[limber lion]

He's not asking

to fix his raid parses

he's asking

how to improve himself

and how to parse better himself

[strange python]

agree

[limber lion]

like what

[ebon notch]

yes, the issue is that you wont prove you have any credibility

link your wlogs

[strange python]

and if he wants to parse better - the entire raid needs to fix what's going on

I don't need your credibility.

In fact i dont even want it.

[limber lion]

LOL

[gilded belfry]

Too be fair, I want to make my parse as good as it can be within the constraints of the larger raid strat

[limber lion]

That's just not true

If you want to improve yourself

You work on yourself

You stop blaming your team

[strange python]

Right - so then shadowstep the boss more - and keep your uptime.

[ebon notch]

nobody cares about parses on prog, play better and the parses will come

[limber lion]

And work on yourself

[ember mural]

bro...

[misty holly]

Ahv isn't wrong. Ive seen strategies for normal Remnant that involve the whole raid moving to markers and waiting for bomb. If this guy is progressing on heroic they might be using the same mindset where dps doesnt matter, only doing the mechanic.

[ebon notch]

man some people just want to watch themselves burn

[glass tulip]

sheesh I came in to see what was up

[strange python]

If the RL is "making" people run to the malevolence - and stack and leaving them there for 13 seconds hitting nothing, that absolutely does affect personal parses.

[misty holly]

If the strategy sucks you arent going to parse

[limber lion]

But they're not.

[strange python]

You have a decision to make then right

[glass tulip]

I gotta grab my popcorn

[limber lion]

Sure, but they're not.

[strange python]

@limber lion then why is the whole raid green and grey parses?

[limber lion]

because they play bad

and are not the best geared

what do you mean

[gilded belfry]

Because we're all casual 🙂

[spice spire]

You can literally watch the raid

[whole pilot]

Did you actually look at the log

[limber lion]

You're comparing people at 230 ilvl

to people at 252 ilvl

what

[whole pilot]

Or just look at parses

[spice spire]

[ember mural]

hes just looking at parses

and pulling shit out of his ass and throwing it at a wall to see what sticks

[spice spire]

You can replay it and see what they’re doing

[strange python]

Oh well - you guys are convinced one way - i'm convinced another. Let's move on.

[spice spire]

Like this isn’t a troll

[ebon notch]

no?

why would we move on when you are completely wrong

[subtle tundra]

you are convinced wrong

[strange python]

Because i'm 100% right.

[ebon notch]

why would we ALLOW you to spread misinformation

[cobalt pelican]

just let him leave lol

[strange python]

I will not change my opinion so just leave it be.

[ember mural]

[ebon notch]

he doesnt even want to leave though

[glass tulip]

Can I get a tldr on why Ahv is making dumb statements?

[ebon notch]

he wants us to stop questioning his incorrect statement

[strange python]

@glass tulip which dumb statement?

[glass tulip]

which was

[subtle tundra]

if that were to happen to me, i'd still parse purple+

[spice spire]

Opinion? You’re trying to argue an opinion to watching the fight

[ebon notch]

that he had 40% downtime on remnant

[cobalt pelican]

he's obviously not here to learn so

just going around in circles

[strange python]

I'm not here to learn.

[rigid pine]

I mean they're so many

[strange python]

I just want you guys to move on lol

[glass tulip]

if you have 60% uptime on remnant you are doing something way wrong hoooooly

[strange python]

I agree

[ornate dawn]

Wheres the playback button again I can never find it

[spice spire]

You should be though - at least for log review

[slow marsh]

wow even confirmed himself. nice

[subtle tundra]

you have 60% uptime on remnant if you get all malevolances and dont want to play anymore

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/tyNNM5W.png

[strange python]

I don't need to learn

[ebon notch]

hes always been like this

jesus

[slow marsh]

you clearly have a lot to learn

first of which

[strange python]

I parse 95% or higher. I don't need to improve myself. I'm here to help others.

[glass tulip]

I dont waste time on people like that

[thin imp]

can we evasion sanguine depths first boss soak?

[slow marsh]

is the fact that you need to learn

[glass tulip]

not worth

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/Eojpv3k.png

unless hes playing sub

then he does want to learn

[autumn frost]

Show logs if you parse 95% or higher

[strange python]

Agree - i wanted to know the opener for sub...

[brazen rampart]

Ye

[strange python]

lol how is going back through that helping your goal?

[ebon notch]

figuring out if you're having a bad day or just like this

[strange python]

I had no idea how to open as sub...

ok...

Feel free to move on lol

[limber lion]

@strange python

can I get a log review please

[slow marsh]

well looks like we figured that one out

[limber lion]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/ceverion

[gusty mirage]

Yeah you can. Also, we have a spreadsheet with all the dungeon defensives in it (and a good chunk of the raid ones done already)

[spice spire]

Parsing well doesn’t = log reviewing well. Parsing well doesn’t = understanding always. It just means you press buttons well and have basic understanding

[glass tulip]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/M98hrBnjywDLxNcp#fight=34&type=damage-done
@strange python here is my mythic remnant, go study

[strange python]

I will not even follow that link

[glass tulip]

oof

[strange python]

I could care less about your mythic kill lol

[ebon notch]

only 2 active rank 1s?

[hallow sage]

here's a hint buddy, press shadowstrike and then the mob is dead if you're geared enough for "95th %tiles"

[limber lion]

I haven't played in a month

[ebon notch]

work on it bud. period.

[limber lion]

I would expect 0

[spice spire]

Washed

Sorry king

[strange python]

@hallow sage I don't understand?

Are you trying to like give me an answer to something I asked 2 months ago?

[ebon notch]

its a virus dont click it

it might help you play better

[gusty mirage]

@thin imp https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQUy8zeFKz-vhwoExtDchUlXoxiiHvw0UcqLGJGexgbZvmfy4D5ln_hzIE9_OfLXkJKD6XA4YYPAoP/pubhtml# if you want a link to it

[strange python]

About Sub's opener in the world?

[glass tulip]

wlogs virus

true

[ebon notch]

why would it be different than a normal single target opener

[strange python]

I don't suspect it to be a virus lol - i just have no desire to look at his log.

Because it is.

[ebon notch]

why though

statistically he is better than you so you could learn something no?

[strange python]

@ebon notch Are you asking why your opener would be different on a 40k hp mob than a 5 mil hp boss?

[ebon notch]

i wouldnt even think about the opener on a 40k hp mob

[strange python]

I have zero desire to improve from where i am - only to help others.

[ebon notch]

because its not worth the effort

[hallow sage]

like i said

[strange python]

@ebon notch well if you were playing a spec that you havcen't played in years, you might be inclined to ask, no?

[ebon notch]

the time it took asking that question, you could have just killed it

[hallow sage]

press shadowstrike

and the mob dies

[ebon notch]

or read the pins?

the FAQ?

!opener

anything

[subtle tundra]

if youre parsing 95% there's still room for improvement

[strange python]

I agree - but shadow dancing on every mob you get to when you gotta kill 12 - seemed worthless...the mob is dead like 3 sec into it.

I have zero desire to improve from wher ei am.

[ebon notch]

damn you literally overthink everything

[strange python]

I am not asking for help.

[glass tulip]

if you arent cev theres still room for improvement

[spice spire]

But you’re not helping by using outdated information as your basis for “improvement” is not helping

[hallow sage]

i pity your entire raid

[strange python]

@ebon notch ok - i overthink it - i asked what other sub rogues do in that situation....what's wrong with that?

[gusty mirage]

Sad but true for all of us

[hallow sage]

and anyone else that ever plays with you

[ebon notch]

the situation is whats wrong with it

its like asking how you should quest

[strange python]

@ebon notch ok - then go on about your life and i'll go on with mine.

[ebon notch]

only once you stop spouting misinformation

ive been very clear.

[strange python]

@ebon notch you think my question was stupid - i dont think it was. Dont answer it.

I'm not spouting misinformation.

[ebon notch]

i did not answer your question

[hallow sage]

hey i was wondering if i should use click to move for raid mobility, also im not here to learn anything u fkn F00L!

[misty holly]

Do you have any good tips on questing? I'm always so slow.

[strange python]

@ebon notch why are you talking about my question?

Why are you guys doing this lol?

[ebon notch]

yes that is how i got several 1% parses

[strange python]

Like what is this for?

[hallow sage]

omg!! ur in the 1%!!!

[glass tulip]

How do you run Korthia? I only get 68 rep per day

[ebon notch]

have you tried using verbal communication with the NPC

[gusty mirage]

I mean if you come in trying to teach based on something wowanalyzer says. That is misinformation as it hasn’t been updated in like 5 years

[limber lion]

Incorrect, there's room for improvement for all of us. :)

[hallow sage]

so i used wowanalyzer on my korthia rare rotation and it says i have too much downtime

[ebon notch]

either accept you're wrong, link your logs so we know you're wrong, or leave

you have 3 choices

[strange python]

i disagree that wowanalyzer hasn't been updated in 5 years as well. Are we going to start an argument over that too?

[ebon notch]

what

[strange python]

@ebon notch no i have more choices - and so do you - just move on man.

[whole pilot]

It literally warns you it’s not updated

[strange python]

in 5 years ?

[whole pilot]

Like what is this nonsense doubling down on a shit take

[gusty mirage]

You disagree that wowanalyzer for rogues hasn’t been updated in 5 years? It literally warns you when you plug in a log that it isn’t up to date

[whole pilot]

Just accept being wrong, it’s fine life goes on

[strange python]

Yes i disagree that wowanalyzer for rogues has been updated within the last 5 years.

[ebon notch]

you are wrong and you should not be allowed to wilfully teach people incorrect shit

[strange python]

I'm not wrong lol

[slow marsh]

clearly you are

[gusty mirage]

Aight bb you do you

[strange python]

@ebon notch ok - well move on then and i will too.

[limber lion]

This shit literally pops up when you try to analyze an assassination log

Like you literally have to go through this disclaimer

[strange python]

That's a lot sooner than 5 years lol

[ebon notch]

every single person here has disagreed with you

[strange python]

DO you think 9.1 has been out for five years?

[ebon notch]

BUT HOW IS THIS YOUR RESPONSE

are you not familiar with hyperbole

[whole pilot]

It’s still wrong though??

[strange python]

How is it not my response?

[gusty mirage]

I can attest that it has said that in 9.0, 8.3, 8.2, and 8.1

[strange python]

The statement was that it hasn't been updated in 5 years - which i disagreed with lol

[limber lion]

It's been fairly out of date since Legion

It needs an entire revamp

[gusty mirage]

Didn’t play 8.0 so can’t confirm that

[strange python]

"fairly out of date" - but has it been updated?

I didn't say it was perfect.

[limber lion]

It's very, very bad.

[slow marsh]

God you are dense man.

[limber lion]

Like very bad.

[strange python]

Just disagree with the statement that it wasn't updated in 5 years.

How am i dense?

[gusty mirage]

Because you’re wrong

[strange python]

I'm not wrong

it HAS been updated in 5 years.

lol

[gusty mirage]

Yes. You really are

[strange python]

ok

[whole pilot]

Jesus this is very cringe

[glass tulip]

its okay to be wrong

[slow marsh]

well first of all it looks like you log on and do this about once every couple weeks

[strange python]

i'm not wrong on that

it has been updated

[slow marsh]

you know exactly what you're doing

[whole pilot]

Super trolling

[gusty mirage]

Wowanalyzer for rogue hasn’t been touched since legion. How long ago was legion?

[glass tulip]

baiters gonna bait

[strange python]

It has been lol

[gusty mirage]

Link me the change log

[ember mural]

he doesnt link anything

[strange python]

Assassination Rogue (8 changes). 12/15/2020. Added warning for spec not being supported. 11/2/2020. Update modules to TS. 10/25/2020.

So there's that lol

which is much sooner than 5 years ago.

I rest my case.

[glass tulip]

Added warning for spec not being supported

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

UPDATED THOUGH

[ember mural]

stone level IQ here

[strange python]

I mean it was updated...lol

[random fossil]

This went from funny to sad real quick

[rigid pine]

Updated indeed

[strange python]

How's it even sad?

[ebon notch]

@strange python are you from the US btw

[ember mural]

i think you clicked the rogue discord and not the demon hunter discord @strange python

[strange python]

DOesn't matter where im' from lol

[slow marsh]

Na not DH disc

needs to go back to huntard disc

[limber lion]

As much as I like some beef, I'll have to cut it here. Ahv is obviously trolling, let's move on.

[slow marsh]

where he belongs

[inland hull]

So, now is probably a bad time for log reviews, huh?

[strange python]

thanks @versed briar

[glass tulip]

so real question

[limber lion]

Nah, completely fine. Hit it.

[gusty mirage]

Nah full send it

[glass tulip]

should I mouseover mfd for painsmith

[limber lion]

Cevatron

[ebon notch]

AHHAHAHAH

CEVATRON

[slow marsh]

yes

[limber lion]

That's preference, I personally don't use mouseovers at all

[ebon notch]

no @limber lion thats your name.

[quasi ledge]

Poor guy getting tagged out of nowhere

[strange python]

@ebon notch fucking grow up dude

[ebon notch]

no you??

[strange python]

ever hit @ name and hit tab?

[hardy dagger]

Megatron's Rogue brotha

[ebon notch]

you ever sit there and claim to be completely infallable with a "just trust me dude" attitude?

[strange python]

Like you think it's so hillarious that i mistagged a dude, enough to like seriously talk about it?

[glass tulip]

"trust me, I did my research... back in legion"

[random fossil]

Gulp

[strange python]

I don't want anyone to ever just trust me. They should put in their own research and verify everything anyone says.

[limber lion]

Let's chill

[hallow sage]

i refuse to look anything up, but i looked up the update history of wowanalyzer just now tho fr fr

[inland hull]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gDJCpxGYRmbnhkdK/#fight=2

[hallow sage]

no cap

[strange python]

The issue is that people take anything anyone says - that is "better than them" and regurgitate it without question.

[inland hull]

Our first guardian kill

[ebon notch]

but its verifiable

by a literal robot

[strange python]

@hallow sage yeah - people were saying it hadn't been updated in five years - i had like 7 of you arguing with me about it.

so yeah i looed it up.

a "literal robot" huh

[ember mural]

it was updated to say it was not up to date lol

[faint harness]

Hey Akks, how is the name change going

[strange python]

You guys dropped that argument quickly didn't you though

[hallow sage]

7? idk dude, that seems like too many, can't be verified at all

[strange python]

@faint harness pretty good, thanks

[ebon notch]

yes because you didnt understand the concept of hyperbole

and took it to be an argumentative weakness that you could exploit

[strange python]

@ebon notch ok - someone made a statement - they were proved wrong. It's over. Move on from it.

[hallow sage]

you're that someone though

[keen aurora]

[limber lion]

Last shot, take it to dms

[ebon notch]

you know him?

[strange python]

disagree - the statement was that it "wasn't updated in five years" lol

[ebon notch]

i tap out

[ornate dawn]

@limber lion y u no have 252 vial

[gusty mirage]

Sick updates

[faint harness]

He was chased out from sub channel last week, left the discord and came back with a new name

[ebon notch]

sigh

[faint harness]

So ye i guess i know him

[strange python]

I wasn't chased from anywhere.

[gusty mirage]

“Updated for shadowlands” lasted a solid 3 months before they gave up on fixing it

[strange python]

I obviously don't fit in here

but whatever

I still try to help when i can

[slow marsh]

true this is usually a place for people with brains

[strange python]

@slow marsh good one

[ebon notch]

yeah he had this exact same conversation in the sub channel before he left. just leave him alone at this point

[slow marsh]

thanks

[ebon notch]

like word for word.

[strange python]

thanks - yeah that's what i've been asking for lol

[keen aurora]

"I come to a large community discord because I want people to leave me alone"

[strange python]

I mean...

[cobalt pelican]

https://github.com/WoWAnalyzer/WoWAnalyzer/blob/shadowlands/analysis/rogueassassination/src/modules/features/AlwaysBeCasting.tsx imports https://github.com/WoWAnalyzer/WoWAnalyzer/blob/shadowlands/src/parser/shared/modules/AlwaysBeCasting.tsx, always be casting in wowanalyzer is a base module metric that measures how often you have 'dead' gcds, measures autoattacks in no way

[strange python]

I want to help but not argue "hyperboles" with 8 people when they are wrong.

[cobalt pelican]

it's literally how many gcds you do/fight length

which for a fight with pooling being a dps gain

isn't a measure of 'downtime'

[stuck knoll]

!warn @strange python every time you arrive in a channel there's a huge argument so consider this a final warning every conversation doesn't need to be a fight

[limber lion]

!mute @strange python 60m Alright time to take a break. Take a walk, get some fresh air.

[stuck knoll]

That's enough

[limber lion]

fak

[spice spire]

It’s good to just leave it be - no need to bully him at this point. Point is, this goes beyond “regurgitating info” I’ve challenged many rogues far better than I on points but am open to being wrong. You’re inability to do so is just counter productive

[quasi ledge]

If someone says it's 10 minutes until lunch, do you argue with them saying it's actually 12 minutes?

[limber lion]

And this goes for everyone else as well, I've given out 3 warnings now. Let's chill.

[glass tulip]

good talk all, lets go touch grass

[spice spire]

I was typing that before 😦 sorry

[gusty mirage]

I motion we mute @spice spire because I think he smells

[spice spire]

[ember mural]

[gusty mirage]

Never forget the greatest copypasta ever generated by a rage quit

[glass tulip]

first time ive ever seen it

high quality

[ornate dawn]

When was this glorious post?

[gusty mirage]

Last weekish in outlaw

[spice spire]

Shit storm aside, looking at it now.

[arctic walrus]

Wdym copypasta, this is my opinion

[glass tulip]

probably had 1600 io, 5/10 heroic

[gusty mirage]

He said that as ramfam was typing in the chat too

[ornate dawn]

What a chad

[gusty mirage]

Greatest RH moment ever

[ember mural]

nah man he was top 95%

[glass tulip]

he was #1 in our hearts

[ebon notch]

he'll be back

[inland hull]

@spice spire ty! I'm not usually setting the world on fire, and it was first kill, but definitely room for a lot of improvement

[strange python]

If everyone around you is constantly wrong (in your opinion) you should consider the possibility that maybe you are the one who is wrong

[glass tulip]

impossible

[stuck knoll]

It's over

Please drop ut

[ebon notch]

just back up your statement with something we can look at

[gusty mirage]

That mentality is why you’ll be an awesome player

[glass tulip]

if any of you guys are 10/10M and are retiring after this tier lmk so I can apply to your guild :)

[limber lion]

I am :)

Feel free to hit the boys up

[glass tulip]

ezclap

[hallow sage]

do you wanna kill painsmith for my guild then tap out?

[gusty mirage]

Don’t leave me @limber lion

[ebon notch]

are you EU?

[spice spire]

Prog kills are always hard, and I can’t look at the replay rn. But a few bombs would explain. The only pretty egregious thing is the garrote uptime is about 83% and should be higher. Don’t think there’s a time where you have to PK unless you’re getting multiple bombs in a row. Other than that, low frost set? Or just really unlucky crits.

You’re also popping defensives which drop dps, but like you said prog kill

[glass tulip]

NA horde but will move to germany for EU guilds

[spice spire]

Would like to see the next one 🙂

[gusty mirage]

Hey that’s my line

[ebon notch]

the guild i just left needs a me replacement

2 day raiding tho

[inland hull]

@spice spire thanks a lot man. I'll be sure to work in it!

[glass tulip]

I was kidding, I like my guild. We got a late start in the tier as the team is being built and so we are sitting at 5/10M but next tier we are expecting to be clearing at a very good pace

we currently do 3 days

[spice spire]

Just really the one major thing. Waste was minimal on energy and CP. oh other thing is that if you can be behind the boss, I’d recommend 19% miss seems high. But some strats require set spots as well 😛

[inland hull]

I'm DEFINITELY not staying behind boss. I've noticed I do a lot of unnecessary movement which is killing me.

[spice spire]

I know my guilds set position for DPS so I don’t get that luxury, but if you do; use it

[gusty mirage]

Some of that can be on the tanks so if you know the timers well (or as you get to know them better) outside of soaks just glue to the boss’s ass and you’ll be fine

[cobalt pelican]

19% miss is exactly on average for dual wielding if you're looking at autos

or even slightly below i think

[spice spire]

I’ve never looked until today. Good to know -

[ebon notch]

whicih boss

[glass tulip]

still, being in front is hurting you with parries too

that clinking noise haunts my nightmares

[clever kindle]

if I get parried one more fucking time on painsmith

[spice spire]

Guardian

[clever kindle]

im mailing elephant shit to the developers

[ebon notch]

you dont do the immune strat?

[glass tulip]

I told my tanks to always face painsmith towards the middle

oh yeah I noticed you can get parried on the balls

like wtf

[gusty mirage]

You should do this anyway

[gusty mirage]

Okay so I’m not the only one?

Dude I started tripping tf out lol

[spice spire]

Casual andys

[glass tulip]

yeah no I saw it the first time and was so confused

[clever kindle]

All the old devs got fired so at this point I would just be mailing elephant shit to innocents

[gusty mirage]

I was like how does a ball parry? Like… how

[ember mural]

touching tips with the spikes 👀

[slow marsh]

dang

sometimes i surprise even myself with my investigation skills

[gusty mirage]

[quaint carbon]

touching spikes with your tip

[undone eagle]

One question regarding ambush, will we ever use it ? If yes please tell me for what

[glass tulip]

You will only ever use ambush if you run blindside/deeper strategem

otherwise dont touch it

and even then you just use the blindside procs

[limber lion]

Yeh, and you probably shouldn't be playing BS/DS

Soo it's completely fine if you don't have it bound at all

[gusty mirage]

You’ll only ever run it on guardian

[limber lion]

If that

[undone eagle]

Alright thnx then i remove it from my bind haha

[gusty mirage]

And even then it’s kinda whatever

It gives you time to do your taxes while waiting for energy regen though

Kinda nice if you’re multi tasking while raiding

[glass tulip]

how does hall of fame work? Do only the 20 raiders who get the first guild kill get the title?

or if you are in the guild can you go in on the next reset and also get it 🤔

[gusty mirage]

Tied to the guild

So if you join the guild you get access to the fancy titles

[glass tulip]

so then anyone in the guild can kill in the tier and get it?

thats nice

[limber lion]

Yeah, as long as you have the Mythic achievement (not CE), then you'll get the title

So say you join a guild that got HoF from Crucible

you can go kill Mythic Uu'nat now and get the title

[glass tulip]

that's funny actually

I just started playing WoW in shadowlands, this is my first mythic tier

so I'm hoping to be able to have a guild strong enough for HoF in an xpac or 2 :)

[limber lion]

And already thinking of HoF

Good stuff

Good luck!

[glass tulip]

Thanks Cev, means a lot

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

you got this homie

[spice spire]

Mav on that octillionaire grindset

[hollow river]

Are the titles like Famed Slayer etc for HoF only?

I’m assuming

[brazen zodiac]

same!! i feel you i def wanna try to get CE ASAP. comp adventures best adventures!

[glass tulip]

Yessir

[hollow river]

Yeah I started in CN and got 4/10

[glass tulip]

first 100 world for horde and alliance, when the HoF fills up thats when cross-realm opens

[hollow river]

But after CEthis tier and maybe next I’d like to join a HoF

[glass tulip]

Gotta get recruited or build a strong team

[hollow river]

Yeah I just didn’t know the title was HoF only

[glass tulip]

yeah otherwise the regular ones you get for CE kills

[hollow river]

I’m on M KT now

[brazen zodiac]

i dont even care about the title i just wanna get that competitive lady boner going

[hollow river]

[glass tulip]

What guilds are you guys in?

[brazen zodiac]

the idea of being some of the first amongst thousands is fucking amazing

[hollow river]

I’m on quite a dead server

Only 3-5 guilds will get CE

[glass tulip]

we guild transferred off low pop so we could recruit better

[hollow river]

Ouch

[glass tulip]

I mean its all good now

was definitely worth

[hollow river]

That’s sometimes a rough transition

That’s good to hear 🙂

Like 5 guilds transferred off my server this season and died trying to reform

[ebon notch]

got into my first top 100 guild

jumped like 500 places

[glass tulip]

sheeeesh

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

pog! Period.

[hollow river]

I don’t think I’m good enough yet to do it

[ebon notch]

im trying to see if i can get top 50 but too many melee rn

[shrewd night]

What guild

[hollow river]

But I’ll get there

[ebon notch]

bloom have offered me a trial

[shrewd night]

I see how it is

[ebon notch]

why

what happened

[shrewd night]

They didnt want my shaman last tier

Good on you though, better pump!

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

[glass tulip]

My goal is to stay with this guild til we 200ish and then get recommendations for Blur or Vision

[shrewd night]

Dapsman, the next dagger wielder

[glass tulip]

our officers came from there

[ebon notch]

gonna do my best

[spice spire]

Get bent I guess king

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

😮

[spice spire]

Enhance shaman stonks are dead. Rogue stonks are where it’s at

[shrewd night]

Im sorry, who are you

[spice spire]

I love Shien, please don’t murder me 🥺

[shrewd night]

wtf

[spice spire]

No one

[glass tulip]

muted F

[spice spire]

[shrewd night]

HOW ARE YOU STILL TALKING

[spice spire]

LMFAO

[glass tulip]

HE STILL LIVES

[spice spire]

It’s OVAH

[shrewd night]

brb, troubleshooting roles

[glass tulip]

pretty sure he has to lose his other roles

[hollow river]

[shrewd night]

Not if muted is above the other roles

[hollow river]

[glass tulip]

I have had troubles with that as well

[arctic walrus]

!mute @arctic walrus

Or does it

[glass tulip]

managed another large discord and they didnt always override perms

[ebon notch]

wait koffing is a big player hold on

did you flex your discord rank when you applied??

[spice spire]

[shrewd night]

Only wussies do that

[glass tulip]

do I have to cheese 99 parses with PI or can I apply to big boy guilds with natty parses

[ebon notch]

i mean... i got in

[ebon notch]

a lot of my parses are natty

[spice spire]

“Yeah babe, I’m a mod in a wow class discord guess I’m kind of a big deal”

[arctic walrus]

I’m a cum figure in rogue discord

[shrewd night]

"Im a blue name on rh "

[spice spire]

Swolenar big ethical pumper tho

[shrewd night]

ok

[ebon notch]

nah but you could be like "yeah i help people cause im so knowledgable and big brain and ppl worship me ykno"

[hollow river]

Focus on defensives, good survivability and decent parses without externals imo

[ebon notch]

for sure

[ebon notch]

once you get all 99s without, then you start asking for PI

[arctic walrus]

Name the last person you have seen koffing help

[glass tulip]

yeah we do very similar damage daps

[ebon notch]

thats how i did it

[ebon notch]

[shrewd night]

"they worship me because I give them no choice "

[ebon notch]

https://tenor.com/view/office-space-paul-lee-wilson-gary-cole-what-do-you-do-job-interview-gif-4457028

@shrewd night

[spice spire]

He just tried by shutting me up wdym

[ebon notch]

PUBLIC SERVICE

[spice spire]

Moroes just ate a big one and tomd him nah

[glass tulip]

currently pumping through mythic prog, rate me @ebon notch

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/30362182#difficulty=5

[spice spire]

Yeah he’s definitely public service here

[ebon notch]

actually pog not cringe

[hollow river]

Too many good parses not enough bosses dead

Jkjk

[glass tulip]

true sadge

[ebon notch]

did you die on soulrender or

[glass tulip]

we have like 4 raiders who are a bit slower on the mechanics

they get it eventually

[glass tulip]

no I dont touch adds

im in charge of boss damage

[ebon notch]

xd

funnel winds

into boss

[glass tulip]

I use Ct once

[ebon notch]

hit adds

wat

[glass tulip]

and then fok

[ebon notch]

hit

everything

it funnels ur boss damage

if you have like 3 ruptures up

[glass tulip]

right, but

[ebon notch]

its like you have lust

[glass tulip]

either way, not going to get me a good parse unless I am getting full uptime on bleeds on adds

we have a monk and 2 fury wars that go bRRRRRrrrr

[hollow river]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/arthas/notrickz

[glass tulip]

oh I just transferred off arthas

[ebon notch]

[hollow river]

I bring shame to the RH server

[ebon notch]

the cursed texts

[hollow river]

Bro look at the raid

No monk

Never in wft

Cursed kill timers

[ebon notch]

wait

who is

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

Already beat you to it

[ebon notch]

in wft

if you arent

[glass tulip]

all grey for kills

ezclap

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Warriors, dk, ret pally or even DH sometimes on reclear

It’s kinda sadge

[ebon notch]

wtf fuck the dk and DH

[gusty mirage]

@hollow river I didn’t die either

[ebon notch]

[hollow river]

They just throw people in there man

[glass tulip]

you know what they say

grey parses kill bosses

[gusty mirage]

I also may have forgotten to switch my gems