assassination

[north basin]

According to recent kills, people kill him 2-4 days after rohkalo. So its even easier than rohkalo )

Well, should be

[hollow river]

Right when he first casts it the dot that hits your raid stacks every 2 seconds

3-4 stacks and raid is basically wiped

We killed Fate in like 30 pulls

Roughly ~4? Hours

[north basin]

We triple that. But we went 5 healers and couldnt zerg him last phase)))

[hollow river]

We’re already at 4 hrs on KT

[north basin]

Went 4 and was 2pulls shot

4 hours and ur progress now?

[hollow river]

We 5 healed it iirc I could be misremembering tho

Haven’t phased into p3 once yet

[north basin]

Hm)

[hollow river]

We’ve got 2 ppl out this week/2 ppl who quit and 1 quitting next week that’s trolling us now it seems

[north basin]

But once u get there its a zerg i guess

[hollow river]

Our comp and damage is fucked atm

Yeah you just have to push the dps for every main phase

[north basin]

5 people quit ? In a week?

Harsh

[hollow river]

If no ones trolling you’re fine

2 are only out for this week

But our roster is very tight this week because of all of that, so we had a couple people who shouldn’t be in atm

[north basin]

Well i guess what hit people get while going into early sylv prog, calendar month of pulls, not many have endurance for that)

And this is ahead of us)

[hollow river]

Idk man we killed pain

[north basin]

))) its ended 3 raiders in a roster

For us

[hollow river]

Huh?

[north basin]

They left)

Tired

[hollow river]

And I always felt like more people would want to prog the last both

And oh

[north basin]

Well in 1k world guilds u have people come and go constantly, coz progress lasts for 3-5months

[hollow river]

How many guilds are CE rn?

Last I checked it was under 400

I believe we were on track to hit 500-600 world if my numbers are correct

[fallen arch]

Which would be about when?

[hollow river]

Our CE? Next week or the next.

*if we weren’t having the roster issues of yesterday

We raid 3 day 3 hr and can pull roughly ~50? a night

[north basin]

Well right now its about 550 CE guilds

So if u didnt kill KT yet and progging right now on him, u will end up in 900-1200 after sylv kill, i guess

[hollow river]

Weird the site I looked at was lower number, probably should’ve checked WCL

I just hope getting CE this tier isn’t meaningless for future guild searches etc.

[whole pilot]

You’re never getting 50 sylv pulls in on a single night either

Fight is painfully long

[hollow river]

Yeah ik

Still don’t see her taking us more than 2 weeks

[fallen arch]

Weren’t u stuck on KT?

[hollow river]

Read this part

KT would’ve 100% died last night ~30-40 pulls into our prog. If that^ weren’t the case atm.

We would’ve had half a raid night on Sylv already lol.

[whole pilot]

Yeah but you didn’t

And roster issues can happen at any point

2 weeks is possible but that’d be like what 120 ish pulls

[hollow river]

I mean it literally says *if, so

[hollow river]

I don’t see the point of this comment

[strange python]

a lot of guilds are having roster issues right now

it's sad

[hollow river]

It’s very sad

And it’s very all-of-a-sudden with most

[strange python]

my friends guild basically died on painsmith because they had to keep replacing people

[hollow river]

We’ve had like 2/6+ people give us a week notice

[strange python]

200+ pulls because constantly having to bring in new players lol

[hollow river]

We’ve been able to continue pushing, by keeping 25+ people

It just sucks now that we probably have to recruit some trials again and we’re at KT

[strange python]

I dont like big rosters tbh

rogue is usually one of the first to sit

[hollow river]

Yeah that would make many people want to quit I think

I’ve never say unless internet issue

We have 2 rogues

[strange python]

my last guild had roster problems so I moved guild, which definitely didnt help but

I joined a wr250 guild with a small roster and they dont seem to have any problems

in my last guilds there were some players who wanted to play more casually, and those are usually the first people to stop raiding

[hollow river]

I mean sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to keep yourself content with the game

[hollow river]

Yeah

People raid logging etc

[strange python]

I think the higher wr you go, the less chance of major roster problems

thats been my observation at least

[hollow river]

I see

My mythic parses are hot garbage

Idek if I can manage getting into a higher ranked g

Half my logs are prog kills

[strange python]

I got lucky and got like 90 avg on my prog kills

we spent too long on bosses so I was able to work out exactly how to parse

[hollow river]

As outlaw I assume?

Our kill timers are just garbage

No ww buff, etc etc

[strange python]

yeah as outlaw, I think it's slightly easier to parse with tbh

kill timers dont matter either

for outlaw

[hollow river]

Yeah I agree, it’s just a less convoluted spec in raid so if you’re good you should parse well a little easier. It’s also a bit harder to play for most so being good at it shows.

Definitely a debatable topic since parses are % based, I just feel sin logs are watered down with a lot of players and plenty of external buffed parses.

[hollow river]

Orly

[harsh lantern]

consistency is key

[pure moth]

Lol!

[lost wharf]

Were you progressing for the first time and decided to just play intermission?

[harsh lantern]

yeah first night pretty much

very interesting to say the least

[lost wharf]

I hate it. Some1 always makes a mistake and it feels like we are just waiting for a pull where nobody makes a mistake.

[harsh lantern]

I think our best coming out of intermission was like 5-6 alive

[lost wharf]

It's normal at the start. The trickiest part is knowing when to not run anymore and wait for a proper gap.

[harsh lantern]

Yeah we definitely got better towards the end but it’s tricky for sure

I ran into a ball in front of me just wanted to close the game

feels like my screen is just full of Wa and stuff can’t see anything

[lost wharf]

I found the only wa I need is the gate timer. The rest feels irrelevant.

[harsh lantern]

yeah I agree probably will only use that one

[hollow river]

Don’t even need a gate anymore at all tbh

[lost wharf]

Probably not. It's consistent tho and easier.

[harsh lantern]

why is the gate used? just for adds?

I didn’t read up on the fight much tbh

[lost wharf]

Mainly, yea. You stack everybody up at the exact same point.

[hollow river]

Easier?

We found the fight easier with no hate brother

You can stack for adds just fine without it

[lost wharf]

Stacking up for adds becomes easier.

[hollow river]

IMO

Na

[harsh lantern]

I haven’t seen enough to even know

Half the group dies on first wave

[lost wharf]

I haven't actually tried not using the gate ever, lol. Idk if I would run into any tight spots for the last 2 gaps. It might be just a matter of how you practice.

[harsh lantern]

are you guys stacked up for all of intermission?

Seems like everyone just runs around and there’s fire circle everywhere

[lost wharf]

We usually try to stack and run relatively close to the mid. Healers tend to fall behind, because they actually have to heal.

[harsh lantern]

Makes sense

I definitely had the heroic brain on those fires hurt lmao

[hollow river]

We just tried our best to stack, sometimes the group would split in half based on how tight ball gaps were handled.

You just make sure to stack up for adds

[harsh lantern]

gotcha

[slim wagon]

We usually stack on a marked player. He also keeps track of fire so tells us to run or to chill in spot

[harsh lantern]

We got another 3 hrs tonight

hopefully see more

[hollow river]

Marked player is the play 100%

[harsh lantern]

Yeah we gotta fix the marker don’t think we had a free marker last night

[slim wagon]

If you fall behind you cab catch up on your own but you have to be sure you won't kill the rest with bad fires in their path

[harsh lantern]

we just follow bear

[lost wharf]

Yea, same. Marked player helps. You usually have the main group that stacks with the marked player so it's not so bad if somebody falls behind.

[lost wharf]

You can assign a marker with raid tools to a single person, so he never loses it. We do it with cross and skull.

[harsh lantern]

sounds like a plan

[lost wharf]

I think a tank who gets hit by the axe gets skull, but the marked person just gets it back right away.

[harsh lantern]

we go again maybe we get p2 tonight

[lost wharf]

Good luck 😄

[harsh lantern]

ty 💪

[hollow river]

Yeah if you check bigwigs/DBM or whatever else make sure you have a free marker and if not the switch things up

Anyone know of Obedience gets you flag for every main phase and down phase on m KT?

[rocky pecan]

Haven't tried obe yet on kt sill extending sylv..

[hollow river]

Yeah we extending on Fate and on KT now. Fishing for more main phase dam.

I’ll just have to look at our timings on logs and see if running MFD Obe will be good for it.

[wispy cloud]

which legendary should i crafting for raiding? i will testing assa

[hollow river]

What covenant are you?

[wispy cloud]

venthyr

[harsh lantern]

dashing,db,obed are my 3 262 options for venth

dashing ahead on the others for me so best to sim your character

[wispy cloud]

mhm ok

[peak bobcat]

MFD obedience gamers

[shrewd night]

#assassination-faq

[wispy cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p8pSf7XAVD83vq4qaxJdEh with my gear

obedience ez

[harsh lantern]

Bs/mfd?

[peak bobcat]

Cringe

[hollow river]

Should be using EP

Lol

[grand ridge]

I feel like my rogue is like an item level twink

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8HTQg4LYToubdVJwauqY2q

[wispy cloud]

i dont know i simc both bs and ep

[hollow river]

Weird

[spice spire]

Didn’t sim deeper

[hollow river]

I mean In pure ST you should play BS/DS

[grand ridge]

I sim what I use

[hollow river]

In cleave you should use EP+vig or EP+mfd

[spice spire]

But simmed master poisoner

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Cursed sim - rechecking now to make sure though

Seems mostly snuff except that one thing

[hollow river]

What a nice guy @spice spire

[spice spire]

Also double checking Doomblade since your gear a little weird

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a5cje1KWVuG2tipromUA6p

Oh wait I was @ing the wrong person holy

@wispy cloud

[grand ridge]

does vers affect winds damage

[hollow river]

Yes iirc

[grand ridge]

ah thats good to know

[echo geyser]

Do u guys default to mfd now in raid as venthyr or is that for obedience only

[spice spire]

It’s obedience and dashing, but obedience more pronounced. I’d sim it - as it doesn’t show as an upgrade for everyone. Even at 250 some have dashing pref

[echo geyser]

Oh

Cool ty

[hollow river]

I feel like if simming it in patchwerk doesn’t give you the value of resets then it might be beneficial to feelycraft it on a cleave fight

[grand ridge]

I just tried mfd and without obe it seems like its not worth

[hollow river]

For some people, it is worth

It depends on your gear

[grand ridge]

yeah absolutely

I keep looking at WCL

[hollow river]

Obv gains more value from Obe

[grand ridge]

and the edge that BS/DS gives over EP/MA just doesn't seem to even be worth the tome

[hollow river]

But also gains value from resets which idk if you can sim for

[hollow river]

?????

It’s like 2% for most people

Definitely worth the tome for Guardian imo

Times are cheap af

[grand ridge]

even on mythic, 80% of rogues are running ep/ma on guardian

probably because they dont find it to be worth the effort of switching

you are right, that's just my opinion, and about80% of other rogue opinion

[hollow river]

Most likely a large number of that 80% are simply following the trend on WCL same as you

[grand ridge]

I mean, I am aware that its better, I just don't switch to it

I imagine many other mythic raiding rogues have the minmax knowhow to have the same knowledge, considering I know it and I am progressing through heroic

[hollow river]

It’s your parse not mine

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grand ridge]

we can agree to disagree and thats a ok

[hollow river]

Ye I mean do what you feel like for sure

Makes no sense why most of them aren’t swapping though IMO

[grand ridge]

maybe many of the parses are farm kills

[hollow river]

We swapped bs/ds for multiple bosses last tier for less of a dps gain

Ye true that

[grand ridge]

if I were stuck on guardian I would try to squeeze more dps out for a kill

[hollow river]

Farming and cba

[grim tangle]

the fight is a joke, the dps check is way too easy to beat, doesn't matter what you talent you play

[hollow river]

Idk I’m a dam doer

I’m gonna do whatever I can to do more dam

That’s my job

I’m 8/10 M and I swap to bs/ds for H guardian

[grand ridge]

it looks like mfd is creeping up there on certain fights

and even though only 20% of the rogues are using bs/ds, much more of those 20% are on the front page of the log book

though the top two are running ep/vigor

[hollow river]

How geared or how many external buffs did they get tho?

Lmao

[grand ridge]

yeah

[hollow river]

?

[grand ridge]

well actually

[strange python]

they are yeah geared with yeah many externals

[grand ridge]

it's not worth arguing, you are right. it wasn't worth pointing that out

but they didn't get any >_>

[hollow river]

[strange python]

im sure the top parses are giga geared players but

good players tend to get the best gear so

[hollow river]

Toxic

[grand ridge]

with a 2% difference, the lower dps option beating out comes from fight length

[strange python]

best players are in best guilds and best guilds kill early

simple

[grand ridge]

maybe they had windfury too

[strange python]

that's very possible

[hollow river]

Can I join your guild

[strange python]

already got 2 rogues :(

and you arent even eu are you?

[grand ridge]

I bet it's hard to find a guild as a rogue right now

top dps, most guilds only have 1-2 rogues

everyone wants to play a rogue, guilds dont need more of them usually

[strange python]

I got invited to 2 identical wr guilds a few weeks ago tbh

I just followed guy's advice and applied to a fuck ton

it does seem to work

there are definitely guilds who don't have rogues and want them

[hollow river]

You’re eu???

[hollow river]

Nope not at all. Too many ppl quitting the game

[grand ridge]

ah yeah

[hollow river]

Just be better than their other rogue

[strange python]

yep, eu alliance

[hollow river]

I’m contemplating doing the same. If we can’t fix our current roster issues fast.

We’re normally on top of it tho

[hollow river]

[strange python]

there's really no harm in applying, you don't have to accept offers

[hollow river]

Exactly

I just always fear I’ll just fail a trial with a sick guild

And have left my current for no reason

[strange python]

I dont think many people fail trials tbh

I guess maybe it depends on the guild you join

I've never failed a trial tho, my current GM told me I passed after first raid and that trial rank was mostly just a formality/to ensure consistency

consistency and reliability is probably the biggest thing for most guilds right now lol

[subtle tundra]

failing trial? couldnt be me.

clearly wasnt immediately failed after zul in uldir

[manic pebble]

I can't improve my parse on Fatescribe 😦 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/nagrand/flushies#difficulty=4

I keep getting runes

[grand ridge]

you can cheese a good parse by being in a group that does not do the cheese strat and has poopy aoe

[hollow river]

Dude I have a fuckin short story for you

[alpine latch]

What's the cheese strat?

[hollow river]

The last guild I trialed with before my current guild failed me on my trials with them because “low dps” when I had no dom shards.
They are now currently 3/10M lmfao and the guild I’m in now kept me and funneled me gear to an extent when I joined and we’re 8/10

[hollow river]

Soaking the tank adds

[alpine latch]

I love that I did 16,103 DPS on Tarragrue and got an 83% parse. You did 16,108 DPS and got a 92% parse

5 DPS was 9% on a parse

lol

Obviously Tarragrue doesn't matter, it's just hilarious how 5 DPS is that big of a difference

[pseudo ridge]

Lol

[spice spire]

I legit haven’t seen fatescribe since the infamous 10 minute 5 rune fight I last had a month ago?

So my sole blue will remain

[deft obsidian]

It's all about the green club on Mythic KT tbh

[steel ridge]

Thats not how percentiles work oO

[hollow river]

You know parses change their amounts for percents a lot right?

[clever kindle]

Only as much as new data comes in

[quaint carbon]

would it be fair to say parses are bit fucked up(not really the term but idk) in SoD due to shards and rng of dom items compared to other raids? (got on WoW just late in CN, so im wondering)

[clever kindle]

Not really no, it's not RNG based like corruptions were

[spice spire]

Many tiers have similar systems. There’s a bit of rng, but not as bad as corruptions by any stretch

I still remember number one puppy parse was like

All tendrils

Disgusting

[clever kindle]

This weeks parses will still be the highest due to gearing, there hasn't been any major nerfs to shards, and the level of your dom item doesnt matter at all

That wasn't the case for say Azerite pieces right

[quaint carbon]

i see, ima look into corruptions to see what it was out of curiosity

[hollow river]

If you don’t have shards and the gear for them then yeah your parses would be a decent lil chunk lower than if u did have em

[deft obsidian]

Just finished gearing my warrior alt I dinged last week, forgot how bad it feels w/o a shard set

Only just r3 unholy acquired today and it pumped my sims by 850 dps 😛

[clever kindle]

Their effect is relatively minor outside the raid or torghast though

[harsh lantern]

ye cheese strat owns

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CmaT6zqYrpBFMDJn#fight=26&type=damage-done

[alpine latch]

How do you survive eating it? Isn't is a ton of damage?

[harsh lantern]

not really

[viscid spear]

I'm the only Rogue in my guild.
But no competition

We're not that great, only AotC

[grand ridge]

i think the date you achieve that parse makes a difference too

what makes a 90% parse changes as more people get gear/higher parses

[harsh lantern]

doesn’t the parses say like today’s %

etc

[strange python]

gotta love just looking at details and saying "LOW NUMBER BAD PLAYER" while paying no attention to why it might be

[gusty mirage]

that's an omega yikes

kinda like the guilds that look at just parses

and nothing else

[viscid spear]

I remember way back in Cata there was this Rogue in the best guild on the server (which wasn't very good to be honest since this server is balls) and I wanted to get better so I befriended him and tried to gleam some knowledge from him, but man was he an elitist pr1ck.

Sometimes I wish I could get the guild to transfer to a better server and faction change to H0rd3

[grand ridge]

man cata was a good time to raid

good time to be a rogue too

[hollow nexus]

can someone help me, idk what i can do more to improve my parse. I should maybe line up my cd with bl instead of on the eye. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PVnvf3dGbRHWXLzK#fight=12&type=damage-done

[hollow river]

Healer CDs

[viscid spear]

I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them.

[harsh lantern]

You do 18/2 or no

[hollow nexus]

ye

[grand ridge]

from your log it looked like yall were cheesing it

[harsh lantern]

won’t parse then

too much walking around

[grand ridge]

when the ad hits the tank it puts a hard hitting dot on the whole raid, but its not terribly hard to heal through tbh

[hollow river]

Yeah I just old them dude look at my gear I have no shard set atm. They said ok maybe you should come to our weekend m+ events. LIKE DUDE I NEED SHARDS NOT M+

[hollow nexus]

hhmm okay

[solid venture]

just get 99 parse it aint hard

[harsh lantern]

I couldn’t parse doing that strat

Just my experience

Did the other way got 93

[hollow nexus]

how do you do it then?

[north basin]

how can u cheese rohkalo myth?

[hollow nexus]

since we have only done it this way

[viscid spear]

"We need 5 years of experience for this entry-level job"

[harsh lantern]

split groups and move over at like 5 stacks or whatever it is

18/2 is the no dps strat I think

just can’t cross the debuffs

Or u go bang

[hollow nexus]

yea we leave one of the adds at like 14% and hop over

[hollow river]

You don’t

[north basin]

ah, so i missread maybe,.

it prolly hc then

[hollow river]

Heroic

[harsh lantern]

just need like solid dmg on both sides

[hollow river]

You CAN soak tank adds on mythic

If u 5 heal and are sick af

[spice spire]

Quick things:
Energy overcapped - about 400 sometimes unavoidable if you have to hold dps
Shiv amount seems low
You missed a flag cast
You also missed a pot use @hollow nexus

Unless you prepotted and it’s not showing

In log

[north basin]

hc is a piece of cake. alll pugs do this cheese strat. got orange log like month ago there))

[viscid spear]

Yeah, we just let the adds hit the tank and heal through it on HC, I can't imagine us being able to pull that off on Mythic

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't bother cheesing the adds on freescribe tbh

should die pretty quick passively w/ cleave

[hollow river]

You get white logs by NOT doing the cheese

[grand ridge]

all it takes is a small amount of guilds not doing the cheese to screw up the top tier parses for it

all the top rogue parses are running CT

or most of them at least

[hollow river]

Yep^

[north basin]

actually was with pb there in hc. 97% parse. but took me couple of pug raids to swap

not everyone had monk war dh

xD

actually only boss iam purple in hc is sylv. i just cant pass 95% mark..

[harsh lantern]

same

Hard stuck 90

[north basin]

real struggle

[harsh lantern]

my last 90 I shadow stepped to my doom and I got brez

I’m sadge

[north basin]

and i tried alot. people just bad there. and i always join jebaited titles like ZERG only 245+ 10/10 myth leader. and then 2-3 deaths before phase 2 )

[hollow nexus]

thanks for the tips, ill try and keep that in mind

[spice spire]

In general eye seems to rely on strat

[viscid spear]

You ever Killing Spree in Mists? Seemed like 50/50 chance you'd clip through the floor. Happened too many times to count on Immerseus & Dark Shamans in SoO

[spice spire]

But those are just the few things without going hard into casts

[spice spire]

Killing spreeing during pride was the play

[viscid spear]

Don't remember it happening to me on that

[harsh lantern]

KS ptsd

[grand ridge]

i remember dying to KS a looottt

[viscid spear]

The underside of Orgrimmar in SoO has a lot of checkered boxes, lol

[harsh lantern]

same

[grand ridge]

across multiple raid tiers and expansions lol

[harsh lantern]

KS painsmith balls 😉

watched some guy do that

[pure moth]

Rip ..my guild does 18, 2.. the parse

[harsh lantern]

It was funny

[grand ridge]

I noticed on painsmith if you fok the balls and funnel into the boss your winds does way more damage

but the balls die slower

[harsh lantern]

I like when pb hits when the ball wave comes out

[grand ridge]

I've been doing that lately >_>

[harsh lantern]

Meter spike

We hit balls on painsmith shit I better start helping

I like barely touched it yesterday

thought sin would do like zdps to the ball

So I just hit boss

[grand ridge]

esp when you run dashing

[hollow river]

[harsh lantern]

We only see one ball to hit anyway atm

dead insta

[arctic hare]

True

I grabbed a weakaura that automatically highlights the middle ball

Well, the nameplate of it anyways

[harsh lantern]

yeah I saw that one

[grand ridge]

our group has like 3 balls die when they come out lol

[viscid spear]

What's the 411 on Relic of the Frozen Wastes? In terms of AoE like Sylvie P2.

[grand ridge]

I am not the only one padding

[viscid spear]

Feel like I'm not utilizing it right

[harsh lantern]

no pad

[grand ridge]

it's not padding for us since it buffs winds and we can funnel

[harsh lantern]

pad inc tonight then

[tawdry portal]

Do you all run CT or PB for M Painsmith? Necro btw

[harsh lantern]

I’ve been using pb personally but I have ~50 pulls

[subtle tundra]

pb

if you want to do dmg to those adds you play sub

[placid dawn]

Pb is better for prog, more dam for p3

Also, ads die so fast anyway

[north basin]

btw rogues okey going down on KT myth?

or more benefit staying up

for raid

[ebon notch]

you can go down

might have to save cds on pull though

[viscid spear]

Our melee is stacked af compared to our ranged, so we sometimes have 1-2 melee stay up so the adds don't become an issue

[indigo mulch]

What talents should i go for on guardian?

[upper trout]

kinda confused about shadowgrasp totem. does a mob need to die while i'm targetting it to get the cdr?

[indigo mulch]

I can't figure out if i should go BS/DS with dashing or stick with obe and play either bs/ds or ep/vig

[upper trout]

totally personal anecdote but i felt a significant increase playing BS/DS over EP/Vig. though also that fight as as patchwerk as it gets so #sims

[gusty mirage]

afaik as long as it hits it

the cdr counts

so if it gets a tick off on something before it dies you're gucci

[viscid spear]

What about Relic of the Frozen Wastes?

[gusty mirage]

the KT trinket? just vendor it

ez

[viscid spear]

It's not good?

[static rock]

Check herodamage

Or sim yourself

[north basin]

its 259 and its crap.,,, sadd

[hollow river]

The better benefit to you raid is most likely going down.

[north basin]

i remember before this raid was out i was thinking it will be our bis trinket

@hollow river iam already down

but sometimes i cant hit this mob, probably expirience issue

[static rock]

Just hold the trinket in your bags to boost ilvl

[hollow river]

The mob downstairs?

I run CT for KT mythic. Way more beneficial than PB and you can use it downstairs for when it’s movement intensive.

[north basin]

ye downstairs

ye already picked CT, coz 95% in logs using it

of players)

but sometimes i dont see clear ground to step on

[hollow river]

I’m gonna try MfD Obedience tonight

Instead of vigor and dashing

[indigo mulch]

It was our bis trinket for awhile, they nerfed it.

[hollow river]

I’m also gonna try sub with obedience and stiletto

Lol they nerfed the 259 but not Guardian trinket

[indigo mulch]

It happened before SoD was released though.

[static rock]

Do you have to run crimson tempest on soulrender?

Or can you talent into pure st?

[hollow river]

You don’t have to no but you should if you’re parsing

In prog I went PB because RL wanted me to focus on boss dam

But tbh I’ve tried with CT since then and my boss dam was the same

[static rock]

Just started playing sin on Tuesday so haven’t even read the crimson tempest tooltip

[indigo mulch]

To be honest, your better off playing sub on soulrender if you want to do big numbers on Details!

But yes, you can run CT if your RL don't want you to focus anything.

[static rock]

I was playing outlaw originally and I was doing pretty well

[hollow river]

You can funnel boss with sub...

[indigo mulch]

Yeah.

[static rock]

Sub does seem better with tornado though

For that boss

[hollow river]

It’s debatable tbh

[viscid spear]

Looking at the graph my Relic & Decanter are the best in my bags.

[hollow river]

All 3 specs can do the same. If the sub rogue is playing ethically and funneling evis on boss.

[indigo mulch]

I mean, it depends on what your raid needs. During prog i don't really recommend you going CT unless your raid lacks big aoe classes.

[static rock]

Decanter is kind of a bait

[hollow river]

No

[static rock]

We have no ww

I heard it can miss

Decanter from sd I mean

[hollow river]

Decanter of howling? From raid

[static rock]

Anima charged winds

[indigo mulch]

You have no hunters, frost dks or elemental shamans? 😄

Oh or warriors

[viscid spear]

Yeah I mean the Soulrender Decanter

[static rock]

Ele shaman missed raid and no hunters and 1 frost dk

We’re struggling haha on chain 5 adds

[plain onyx]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[indigo mulch]

that 1 frost dk can pretty much solo carry adds if he saves CD's for them.

Its not as strong as WW, but its still good enough

[static rock]

We literally have a feral, shadow priest, enhancement shaman

[viscid spear]

I would love an Amplifier from Guardian but he's being stingy

[indigo mulch]

I still don't even have my first HC sylv dagger yet.

Feelsgoodman

Then again, i've only killed sylvanas 10 times.

I guess i cant whine then.

[static rock]

Unless you have phial or fusion then you should run whatever sims best

I heard titanic ocular gland is good for sin I think

[hollow river]

Heroic fusion doesn’t even sim higher than my non bis trinkets

So

[indigo mulch]

Titanic ocular is great for frost.

[static rock]

I had to trade 252 titanic unfortunately

[indigo mulch]

I'm running titanic since i don't have mythic fusion yet.

[hollow river]

I’m running M gland and M decanter

[static rock]

Decanter is good for sin?

[hollow river]

Depends on your profile but yeah it’s decent for mine

[indigo mulch]

I don't think it would give me anything :/

My trinkets are pretty good though

[hollow river]

It procs the agi pretty damn often too

I need to check the uptime on it now I’m curious

[indigo mulch]

I'm running 252 gland with 252 phial.

:/

[hollow river]

How is that :/

Toxic

[viscid spear]

239 Rack, 246 Relic, 236 Totem, 239 Decanter is what I have

[indigo mulch]

Cause i feel bad for you who don't have a 252 phial.

😄

[hollow river]

Mhmmmmm riiiiight

[indigo mulch]

Don't worry though, my luck through SoD so far has been pretty bad lol

[viscid spear]

Looking to eat that paper tonight

Hopefully I can season it first

[indigo mulch]

lol

That H sylvie dagger is a myth

[languid imp]

I got 2

[hollow river]

Nope I got one

[languid imp]

I am not even assa or sub

[harsh lantern]

I got one

[indigo mulch]

I mean, at this point H sylvie dagger isent much of an upgrade.

[static rock]

I got one too

[indigo mulch]

I'm very sad

and upset

[static rock]

Double h sylv dagger loses for me though in pure st

[indigo mulch]

[languid imp]

so sad

[harsh lantern]

it’s like 40dps over my 252

Let’s go

[languid imp]

I should roll assa or sub

Just to take advantage of it all

[harsh lantern]

if u got 2 go sub dagger pretty min for sin it seems

banshee blight does like 239 trinket dmg

[viscid spear]

I have a Heroic Nerz dagger and a 226 So'azmi dagger ;-;

[static rock]

It lost for me as sub too

I have 252 tanglewood thorn

[harsh lantern]

same

got another one can’t remember the name

[viscid spear]

I had dual 226s until I got that 239 Nerz dagger, and my damage shot up, so I'm hoping for a huge increase with a H EoN

[harsh lantern]

It’s 252 not the crit one tho

246 shiv

[indigo mulch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bcX6d7ZQTk5Qjiu5nY2GL5

104 dps from HC sylv in offhand

[harsh lantern]

almost 11k pog

I’m still like 200 off

[indigo mulch]

Yeah but thats with bs/ds and dashing

I don't really run bs/ds for anything but guardian D:

[harsh lantern]

yeah same

I’m like 10680 with ep/mfd

[indigo mulch]

I think i'm around the same.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mPBCe6wyXzziBbw2paexZy

Nvm

I forgot i got the bracelets last raid.

[harsh lantern]

why does it show defensive conduits as empowered

is that what ur supposed to do

Or am I not looking at it right

[north basin]

right now nadjia simming 5 dps more than theotar lol.

for me

[indigo mulch]

Nadjia has always been simming higher for me. How do people get theotar to sim higher? D:

[static rock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iyoVBHpdJbpuhKQ2hQbEFu

no dashing yet unfortunately

[harsh lantern]

R u max renown for the week?

[static rock]

wait theotar is good for sin?

[indigo mulch]

No.

[harsh lantern]

okay that’s why then

Was expecting ur other one to be empowers

[hollow river]

Yeah can be

[indigo mulch]

I'm lazy :/ I can't be arsed to grind the renown. Its not a huge upgrade anyway.

[harsh lantern]

Ah I always do it on reset

Takes 15m

[static rock]

your lashing would be empowered

this week

with nadija

[harsh lantern]

ye

[static rock]

262 dashing would put me over 11k

[harsh lantern]

late to the frost party

[violet hollow]

mfd is only 20 dps more for me^^

[viscid spear]

My Lashing is in the first pot slot, should it not be?

[harsh lantern]

they both empowered now

Doesn’t matter

[static rock]

im not sure but it doesnt matter because theyre both empowered

[hollow river]

Will be more ahead in cleave

[indigo mulch]

My WPS is 252 though, my lashing is only 239, thats the only reason why i put it there.

[harsh lantern]

yeah my 252 wanted empower over 226 lashing as well

But now we got both

go kill the wb and do dailies for 10m

Ez catchup

[indigo mulch]

Hehe, my dps in raid is non-existant anyway.

[harsh lantern]

u lie

go big

[violet hollow]

u still haven't unlocked 252 conduits? 😄

[harsh lantern]

no shot

[static rock]

i been so lazy with korthia

[harsh lantern]

Korthia never 👎🏻

[indigo mulch]

I raidlead, if i was better i could prob do both but i can't do both unfortunally :/

[static rock]

just so demotivating

[harsh lantern]

Gotcha

[indigo mulch]

My dps suffers pretty big from raidleading.

[harsh lantern]

I’d imagine

[static rock]

i dont know how you raidlead from melee

[harsh lantern]

I couldn’t do both

[static rock]

that seems really hard

[harsh lantern]

Dps melee rl sounds hard af

[indigo mulch]

You should just play whatever your most comfortable with playing when you raidlead in my opinion.

Best would prob be healer tbh. You got the best over-view of the raid that way.

[hollow river]

Doesn’t Seli raid lead as sin? And he has high ranked parses

[fallen arch]

Ye he does

[indigo mulch]

Yep

[fallen arch]

Some ppl are monsters

[indigo mulch]

Like i said, if i was GOOD

I'm not. Haha

[static rock]

i need like a bm hunter

[fallen arch]

But you can make it easier on urself

By assigning callouts

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, my guild is filled with monkys.

They had a 15min discussion during break about what is left and right on Guardian Mythic.

My faith died that day.

[fallen arch]

You juat tell em whats left and whats right

[north basin]

if now theo only 5 dps behind nadjia. next week theo pullss ahead then

[fallen arch]

What was the conclusion tho, because my guild does the same

[indigo mulch]

We even used the WA that gives you an arrow where to go when you look at the mark.

[fallen arch]

Left for us or leftt for boss

[hollow river]

Dude I hate when tanks call go left or go right

They’re always facing the raid

It’s stupid

[indigo mulch]

You put a mark behind the pillar to act as the middle so everytime you face the mark you know what left and right is.

Thats how we did it atleast.

[fallen arch]

Ye but the question remains

Whats left and whats right

[indigo mulch]

I don't know anymore 😢

[hollow river]

It should be done from the entrance. Facing into boss room.

That’s the most simplistic way.

[fallen arch]

Ye so

Eye

[hollow river]

Facing the boss

[fallen arch]

Left is first add, right is 2nd add

For some reason 75% of my raid thought otherwise the first time we were there

[harsh lantern]

same

[fallen arch]

I was so confused that they actually thought that

Like, how

Not even for tanks facing the other way that is true

[hollow river]

We just assign groups to particular tank

And u follow the marker on them

[indigo mulch]

https://wago.io/FaTjrcbUX/3

[hollow river]

Ez

[fallen arch]

Ye that’s what I asked for 2nd time

[indigo mulch]

Thats what we used for it.

[hollow river]

Directionally challenged mythic raiders smh

[indigo mulch]

Yep!

I cri everi time

[hollow river]

What really upsets me

Is when we get to a new boss

And someone didn’t get the WA that was shared

Actually infuriating

[viscid spear]

"Why do we have to have Weak Auras for every fight?"

[royal lantern]

because you monkeys cant play the game otherwhise 🙂

the only real answer for that

[stray mural]

What’s up bleedy poison gang

[royal lantern]

waiting for my PC fix, so i can play wow again

😦

[stray mural]

Yikes! What happened?

[runic maple]

evasion works on pain spikes right?

[ebon notch]

uhh yeah dude for sure go try it

[viscid spear]

[ebon notch]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-ok-jennifer-lawrence-the-mocking-jay-the-hunger-games-gif-5471477

[viscid spear]

warrior heroic leaps through balls

hunter disengages though balls

This happened in back-to-back pulls when we had first gotten to H Pain

[brazen zodiac]

don't forget about us goblins rocket jumping into em

based game play

[viscid spear]

A moment of silence for all those that first tested to see if a mechanic could be bypassed by abilities or racials.

[harsh lantern]

door of shadows instead of warlock gate

[viscid spear]

Most of my guild was so dependent on Lock gate for Soulrender intermissions that we had so much trouble the week we didn't have the Lock

[stray mural]

Just shadowstep over them

[alpine latch]

I feel your pain. I had to completely delete all Radeon software because it crashes my 5600XT constantly

Deleting the software altogether and only using the driver fixed all of my computer issues. Super annoying

[pure moth]

I also have a radeon.. and ive been updating drivers once a week.. can't be healthy. Now the display is just gone. Resolution is just not good.

[alpine latch]

That's tough

My issue was that the Radeon software would crash, crashing my driver

I removed the software and it's solid

lol

[thin gate]

guys any tricks for KT Realm Phase between 60-20%?

were playing with 2 melees 3 ranges 1 pala heal and it feels so messy with all the stuff on the ground

[spice spire]

GZ

[lone wren]

Try 1 melee 4 range. Coordinate cooldowns. Reducing melee for 60-20% is a huge help.

[oak sky]

For us having a good stack helped a lot, filling up too much of the room or moving before the puddles appear makes you lose a lot of space

[thin gate]

ty both

[red plaza]

Does you have 2 h palas by chance? What helped our raid was having our Paladins alternate going down so we had an Ashen for every phylactery. Also yeah, stacking in two groups helps too. Melee + hpal and ranged.

[thorn fjord]

i tried shadow stepping the balls on M Painsmith and was very disappointed

[dense hamlet]

[static rock]

is ep/ds a thing?

cause on a 2 target cleave sim it wins for me over vigor

[ebon notch]

you can leap over the balls as warrior

[balmy condor]

no

[static rock]

alright thanks

[slow marsh]

ep ds could've been a thing before mfd came around i think

[brazen zodiac]

@balmy condor hi

[balmy condor]

hi

[brazen zodiac]

i hope ur day is going well!

[balmy condor]

could've been a thing before frost existed

but then we dropped all our haste

[balmy condor]

its okay

[brazen zodiac]

im at 42% crit and 27% haste again

[slow marsh]

yeah that's what i meant too

[brazen zodiac]

idk wtf happened

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6udCQZHCJFt9gtV7ZtSMxT

[spice spire]

0% vers mastery gaming

Ethical

[brazen zodiac]

bouta use statweights for the ultimate cope

[spice spire]

Cursed

[oak sky]

i have like 50 mastery with my current top gear

its actually fried

[spice spire]

Based

[brazen zodiac]

i wonder if its the titanic trolling me 27% haste seems like so much and 42 crit seems like nothing f

[oak sky]

why do you care what distribution it is though

whatever sims highest does the most damage

[brazen zodiac]

cause frost was doin more damage with more crit def seen it go down

or maybe im psycho

owell painsmith tonight

[spice spire]

It’s free tonight you got it

[brazen zodiac]

frfr

[oak sky]

how many nights?

do u raid?

[harsh lantern]

same gl 🙏

[viscid spear]

Our warriors tried a few times but could never get the height, weird

[ebon notch]

jump first

then leap

[viscid spear]

Might as well be speaking Latin when explaining that to them, lol

[ebon notch]

they cant jump and press leap??

[viscid spear]

Bro they run off the bridges on Sylvie P2

[soft shale]

-100 iq moments

[wide ridge]

late to the party but i got 2.4k/all +20 timed as assa rogue too!

[spice spire]

Gaming

[hollow river]

ZUG ZUG

[oak sky]

@wide ridge congrats man

[wide ridge]

[pure moth]

Grats

[slow marsh]

I like how you put your name on your screenshot for additional proof lol

@wide ridge

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor I have slain the queen

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

rekill god

[drifting cloud]

damn obedience in p3 didnt work out like I thought it would

but she also died way before raze aswell I guess

[gusty mirage]

ryler out here pumping and testing things

[strange python]

damn frost set is just so unbalanced

[hollow river]

?

[strange python]

its just so much better than unholy

[kind talon]

ye

its sick

[limber lion]

it's aight

[kind talon]

eating mechanics cause you have a huge winds proc

feels so right

[strange python]

the dps gain is far too huge

[kind talon]

i love eating fatescribe add dots

with my big absorb

[soft shale]

im more of the leech+avo

and blood is so comfy

[placid pagoda]

Is it worth crafting obe for the MFD new setup

[limber lion]

Sure, give it a shot

[placid pagoda]

Trying to understand if it’s worth the cinders 😂

[placid pagoda]

My sims pyr dashing ahead but I feel like a few gear changes and it could be different story

[ebon notch]

but just keep simming the different changes no??

you dont need to craft it to test

[bleak sky]

daps speaks true words

[shell ivy]

is swapping from venthyr to necro considerable for sylv progress?

[oak sky]

you can if you want to but it's probably worse

[echo geyser]

whats the consensus on best cov for sin m+

[viscid spear]

I'd say it's not worth switching this far into the patch
9.1.5 will make it a breeze, so just stick it out

[echo geyser]

venthyr or necro

[oak sky]

necro but like 🤷‍♂️

[shell ivy]

its more that i feel like it could be great because of resets, and we seem to struggle on arrows

[oak sky]

venthyr is really good for killing stuff

[shell ivy]

i had to swap to crimson tempest

[oak sky]

necro is better overall @echo geyser

[old halo]

necro shield bis for noobs like me

and for shatter on M nerzul

that bish dies tonight

[oak sky]

gl!

[old halo]

thanks, 26% best pull

[viscid spear]

H Sylvie kill incoming tonight hopefully

[old halo]

I have 9-10 kills on her and no dagger in site for me or our other rogue, so i wish you luck on loot

[viscid spear]

Only second kill if we get it

I need to do Normal too this weekend

[old halo]

i do lfr too, just want to tmog at this point

[viscid spear]

I like warm colors (red/orange/yellow) so the majority of these cosmetic things are uggos

[ebon notch]

no

it is not worth

[viscid spear]

I would sacrifice an in-game cow to get the Rose-Tinted Glasses all the time

I just like something from almost every holiday, sucks when the holiday ends and I can't have the sweet helm mog

[rocky sluice]

Yo

My guilds doing mythic slyvannas prog first time tonight, any genuine advice would be awesome, studying up some videos now c:

[soft shale]

you can evasion the dark sentinels

pre cloak arrows so they dont do damage

feint most of the aoe heavy pops

[rocky sluice]

Ooh third phase? They probably happen on different phases too on mythic

[soft shale]

no dark sentinels are only p1

and arrows i mean the ones on the ground

they fixed cloaking p3 arrows dont do that

the raid will die

[rocky sluice]

Gotcha

[solemn mason]

anyone know where or how i can get the edge of night dagger 246 simcraft string?

[drifting cloud]

/simc and link the dagger after and open it

then you just set ilevel=246 since its gonna input normal one

[soft shale]

off_hand=,id=186398,enchant_id=6228,bonus_id=7188/6652/1485/6646

just change off hand if its on main hand for you

[solemn mason]

Thanks @soft shale

and

@drifting cloud

[upbeat needle]

Y'all run CT on M Painsmith and Doomblade or Poison Bomb/Dashing

?

Venthyr Sin btw

Rank 4 Unholy and Frost

[soft shale]

you can run ct to funnel into boss if you use frost set

but i dont know if it would even do more damage than poison bomb in the long run

[upbeat needle]

yeah that's what I'm debating rn

usually top in boss damage running Dashing/Frost w Stander ST build so may stick with that

[subtle gyro]

I'd stick with rank 4 or 5 frost and just use PB honestly.

Dashing wins with atleast rank 4 frost

[viscid spear]

I'm using CT on Sylvie and it feels clunky on the two parts of P2 where you can pump damage into her

[subtle gyro]

The main part of the fight is ST..running CT is a loss on that fight. Those adds melt so fast anyway

[viscid spear]

Swore I saw someone say CT was good for that, oh well

[drifting cosmos]

can you get loot from later bosses in weekly even if you didnt kill them?

[viscid spear]

Only from those you kill and the ones beefore

[drifting cosmos]

i see, thanks

[viscid spear]

i.e. you kill Painsmith you would have a chance at the stuff from the bosses before him, but not from thee ones after like Guardian/Fate/KT/Syly

My keyboard loves doubletyping e

[drifting cosmos]

lol ty man

[soft shale]

same my keyboard is also getting old

[viscid spear]

Mine's only like a year old, just a lot of cat hair I think

[soft shale]

yea i also had a cat

[brazen zodiac]

any tips on using mdf properly in painsmith

feels like im trollin with it.

[soft shale]

1 on boss 1 on ball that dies 1 on balls before they suicide

rinse and repeat

havent tried but i guess you can also mfd balls in intermission

[viscid spear]

[outer arrow]

Winds of Winter does benefit from Master Assasin and/or Vendetta, right?

[balmy condor]

does not

[outer arrow]

neither?

[balmy condor]

nop

neither buffs it

they're both whitelisted

[violet jackal]

is there any other class with a longer whitelist than us?

[outer arrow]

bruh

[balmy condor]

a what?

[outer arrow]

fun police at work

[balmy condor]

why would the length of the whitelist matter

external effect = not buffed

[violet jackal]

it doesn't am i not aloud to just be curious 🤔

[balmy condor]

that's true for basically 99% of specs in the game

the things that do buff it

are exceptions

[violet jackal]

but subtlety buffs blood bonus right? is there logic behind that

[upbeat needle]

6/10M man

fucking finally

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[upbeat needle]

last pull of night

i wanted to kill myself whole time man

[brazen zodiac]

im about to kill myself

we keep going with 5 dead like whats the point

200 pulls in "still need to practice intermission" like what

[upbeat needle]

to see the fight

[brazen zodiac]

but 200 pulls in? XD

[upbeat needle]

tbh if ppl still dying in intermission u def still need practice

hell yeah

[brazen zodiac]

idk it seems like a waste to keep going for an extra 45 seconds with half the raid dead just to get some practice in p2 intermission

[clever kindle]

Painsmith down

[brazen zodiac]

pog!

[outer arrow]

bro what do i do, rl asked us to optimize dmg for dormazain, aka get more dmg on adds, i cant do shit for AoE/Cleave with sin

[earnest remnant]

press ct and smile

[oak sky]

ct then fok envenom

its what we do

big add gets full dots

[hollow river]

@balmy condor Gratz on fate kill how’s kt

[balmy condor]

I like the fight honestly

[hollow river]

We got to final phase tn

We hate it 🙃

[balmy condor]

oh I think they hate it too

[kind talon]

time for the return of dekai sin

😎

kyrian assa

[hollow river]

Gratz bro

[kind talon]

are u prepared

[hollow river]

Ew

[kind talon]

gonna rinse rank 100

[balmy condor]

planning interupts has been a nightmare for us

[balmy condor]

gz

[kind talon]

<3

[hollow river]

It’s starting to seem like a better designed fight than it was at least

We’ll kill it Tuesday

Just use the interrupt order WA and ERT

Takes a while for some to get their order down but idk

Tank adds are ez and even if a cast gets off it’s not that bad

Interrupts in intermission way more important

How far have you guys gotten?

P2 and p3 downstairs is a clusterfuck

[balmy condor]

we haven't seen p2 intermission

[hollow river]

Ah ic

Won’t be long 🙂

[oak sky]

i didnt even realize but im part of the club

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qzZF31tsJbLptGPx859GbL

[kind talon]

jesus

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5hURvW1B4BHQbZUmdvDi7C

me too

only 300ish behind sub

but comfy sylvanas gaming

[oak sky]

idk what i sim on sub

cba

to top gear

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/91aZ3AW5rdBNDUYyoE8frY

[glass tulip]

obedience is simming 300 dps higher than dashing...

sigh

oh nvm its with bs/ds over ep/vig

150 dps over by itself 🙃

[final star]

all 3 talents in tier 3 viable

what a time to be alive

[oak sky]

vigor viable in m+ i guess

or as necro

[wary hatch]

guys how is sin doing in M+ compared to other 2 specs? 20+ keys

[glass tulip]

sub is definitely preferable

but it performs well enough to time 20s pretty easily

[oak sky]

damage is pretty solid, but outlaw has nice utility and sub has a better damage profile

[glass tulip]

so if you run mfd

is it EP/mfd?

[oak sky]

im pretty sure in m+ you would play vigor but I'm not entirely positive on that

[glass tulip]

Im talking about raid

[oak sky]

oh

yeah

[glass tulip]

yeah my bad, didnt specify

[oak sky]

ep/mfd is good

its better on like every fight but guardian

compared to ep/vigor

[kind talon]

oye cba

[glass tulip]

@oak sky im mad that you have 11k with a shitty 230 crafted ring 🤣

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

im mad that random players in here actually do m+ still and have valor crit rings

[glass tulip]

oof

[oak sky]

or have a sylv ring

[glass tulip]

my 246 archnid cypher ring hurts

and my 246 sylv ring

[kind talon]

isnt 246 arachnid cipher and 230 AH ring

bis?

[kind talon]

outside of sylv

ring

[oak sky]

i think 246 crit mastery from m+ might be better

[final star]

name a more iconic ring duo for rogue tbh

[kind talon]

maybe

sim it

!

[balmy condor]

Theres a couple good valor rings

[quasi venture]

hmm

[kind talon]

u got that with valor ?

nice

[quasi venture]

yes

100%

[kind talon]

[final star]

I have this one

[quasi venture]

but how about this. if you buy 10 crafted rings

you can get a crafted ring in vault

blizzard should hire me

[oak sky]

i still have so much time to do 20s im too lazy to do any m+ every week

[final star]

I'm already done with them

[oak sky]

i did a 19 like a month ago and ive basically been raidlogging and doing weeklies since then

and skipping weekly keys

[final star]

I do 4 keys

15's if I can

[oak sky]

i used to

getting phial gave me a lack of motivation

[kind talon]

its actually so glorius

🥜

[oak sky]

and since i have time to do the 20s later

might as well procrastinate

[gloomy violet]

why is it when i sim , it shows unholy is better than frost ? i have both of them at rank 4

[kind talon]

its probably more damage for you rn

how much crit%

do you have

[gloomy violet]

30%

[kind talon]

ye rank5 frost is goated

need more crit aswell

[gloomy violet]

how much do i need ? most of my gear is crit , if i put everything crit , i have like 37%