You dont care if someone else gets assigned dispells on the nine you only care if YOU get if
#assassination
lavish lichen
slow marsh
you're right
50 energy spender but 2 globals are too long to dump before doing your mehcnaics
cursive silo
You dont care if someone else gets assigned dispells on the nine you only care i...
You never get it when you play rogue 🤔
slow marsh
also true
lavish lichen
fair I guess 2 seconds is short enough to delay for most mechanics
static rock
I definitely got fragments
slow marsh
then you're not precloaking
static rock
and then they dispelled and it went back on me
static rock
So I had to run out again
cursive silo
On someone else
slow marsh
you can precloak and only 3 will go out or you can cloak on the way over onto someone else getting dispelled
either way works
static rock
Haha that sounds messed up
viscid spear
I'm only 238.81
slow marsh
how is that messed up lol
static rock
I literally did 0% ball damage on remnant
cursive silo
Its not messed up you just do a dispell yourself instead of healers, shouldn’t change how the mechanic works at all if your healers have a ui
static rock
I guess there isn’t really anything else to cloak on that fight
balmy condor
I literally did 0% ball damage on remnant
how
static rock
I didn’t swap am I supposed to?
static rock
Oh yeah don’t you get energy if they die?
misty holly
run down the line spamming fok, CT to pad numbers
static rock
Are we supposed to dot stuff even if they won’t survive the duration?
balmy condor
Oh yeah don’t you get energy if they die?
they don't die
you dot them asap
and the dot should just tick on them while they're immune
might not last the FULL FULL duration
but it's close enough
static rock
Okay makes sense since assassination gets energy from venomous wounds
hoary copper
@balmy condor I heard CTO is good now I saw it on a parse. Care to respond?
runs back to OT
hoary copper
@balmy condor I heard @arctic walrus made it worth it 👀
viscid spear
Had a 49.8% wipe : /
We'll have to get it on Thursday
We took 22.34m of her 24.1m health, hmm
carmine dawn
is there some new CTO hidden tech?
cursive silo
Yes run 2 ctos
hollow river
<:Suspicious:740874357248622613>
is fatescribe dead
balmy condor
4%
hollow river
i dced like 6 pulls so i sat
balmy condor
hollow river
<:prayge:814673988420239371>
Goodluck friendo
spice spire
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qJ6bk3wDLh7xV9N4#fight=14&type=summary&sour...
yes man
carmine dawn
ebon notch
I just got a 99/99 on mythic Nine without any PI
Smurfer
lavish lichen
what is better for Soulrender with the MFD tech?
Dashing gains value from more dots but so does obde from MFD resets? idk whats supposed to be better
oak sky
probably obedience
quaint carbon
Is there a best way/moment to use the shadowgrasp totem in raid ? Or just on CD ?
gusty mirage
on CD
fathom flax
On CD
Can someone explain to me how mfd is suddenly good
I’m a big dummy and don’t understand what changed
hollow river
Sim optimization
fathom flax
Is it just in raid we generally have easy mobs to reset it and then to make sure you line it up with flag for max stacks
drowsy parcel
brazen zodiac
ezpz
fathom flax
I don’t think I’ve ever gotten 30 as ep vig
slow marsh
Always get 29 in opener with MfD
oak sky
i meant with mfd
glass tulip
when my raid gets to KT I think I'll be sick that week
hollow river
Idk if I’d be going down or not depends on that I guess
oak sky
mfd is good either way
on kt in general you can get a ton of resets
mfd is correct on like everything but guardian now
maybe remnant
rocky pecan
Agreon you tried on sylv? But you guys play mfd obe or mfd dashing?
hollow river
Yeah I just don’t know what our timings will be like trying to line up kt remnants and adds dying
slow marsh
BS DS is only +13 for me compared to ep mfd so
slow marsh
gonna be next week until i get 262 obed personally but
plain onyx
What professions do you guys go with ?
slow marsh
i'm thinking probably obed is better for damage on each platform
oak sky
engineering and anything you want to make money
slow marsh
But doubt it makes a huge diffy
hollow river
Yea my Obe is like 225 so idk if I’ll bother with it
I mean I use it for sub anyway so idk
shadow wedge
Boys, why when I sim myself, it says I should switch my shards domination, like Im using the dyz on helmet and it says I should use it on chest?
oak sky
obedience is definitely a lot better actually
than dashing
if you can get flag for every platform in p2
rocky pecan
I think it's the case will have to check log
slow marsh
i doubt anyone is running obed sin for sylv yet
oak sky
its probably not
rocky pecan
I am
oak sky
you probably only get 3
kind talon
oak sky
each platform is a little under a minut
balmy condor
kind talon
With mfd resets?
kind talon
Summoner balls
balmy condor
all the sin rogues that played during rwf
oak sky
i swear its better on sylv
rocky pecan
I am running obe mfd on sylv
oak sky
it sounds like it is
oak sky
not on every fight but you have to get so many bonus casts
static rock
I’m playing obedience sin😔 feels bad
oak sky
from sylv
oak sky
its almost for sure good
rocky pecan
I mean all depend of dmg from rest of group
slow marsh
If your group needs the extra dam then obviously it's super good because you have a 1 min cd
oak sky
p3 would probably depend on timings
like whispyr was saying
most likely it would be stronger if you get an extra cast of flag during your burn
slow marsh
you would have flag for literally each platform
balmy condor
I did the math with jpc during his prog
rocky pecan
Y p3 timing are tje same no? She switch platform on %hp or timer?
balmy condor
it was worth
slow marsh
makes sense
balmy condor
it was giga worth
rocky pecan
Ok I will stick with that then
slow marsh
like for me right now obed is only -52 on a 5 min ST
the longer the fight goes on the bigger obed gets i think
oak sky
for some people it sims higher
shadow wedge
this trinket should I use everytime on cd, or should I align with vendetta?
oak sky
always on cd
slow marsh
Yeah idk I think my crit is too high cuz I can't get obed higher than my dashing even with changing gems/enchants
but gonna craft it anywyas to try for certain fights
rocky pecan
I'm at 44% crit 19% hast but y depend on profile
rocky pecan
why theo ?
slow marsh
cuz its better for me
slow marsh
reroll party favors puts it ahead of nadjia and i prefer the triple pot + umbrella + flat 3% stat to thrill seeker
brazen zodiac
im guessin u rr till crit
brazen zodiac
theo growin on me but idk 
why does raidbots always ask me to switch the dom shards when it doesnt matter
.<
slow marsh
it dumb
brazen zodiac
good good
the ultimate cope sim
to make up for not getting 252 weathered
loot leader gave it to main raider for offspec s
did u get anything good in ur vault ice
slow marsh
nope got research so i can socket the belt that will never drop from soulrender
brazen zodiac
im prayin i get another 252 dagger from remmy and the belt lfmao
i cant wait for this sim to tell me to stop simming weathered 239 and go to sleep
slow marsh
lol yeah i'm always simming stuff for no reason thinking it's gonna change anything but in all reality i'm just trying to keep my sanity while we continue to wipe on pain every week and i question my existence in my guild
brazen zodiac
lol yeah i'm always simming stuff for no reason thinking it's gonna change anyth...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
im screaming at how painfully accurate this is
throwback to when i kept simming 6 different rings in hopes the sylv ring would appear in my vault
slow marsh
lol same but with sylv dagger
brazen zodiac
i cant believe black got the dagger
and then some dude tried buying it from him for me lfmao
slow marsh
Game just wants to keep me playing sin is what it is
brazen zodiac
that was based as fuck
at this point im sure the dagger wouldnt even be better than a 252 in either hand
im just pissed i havent fkin gotten one
the rings still probs bis
i dont know if i should believe or not
is it worth looking at sidegrades
wait i just realized my ass been simmin with theo this whole time lmfao
slow marsh
Sim is most always right and yeah that chest is what i'm using over heroic sylv chest
Theo probs gonna sim higher than nadj anyways.
brazen zodiac
it has been for a while but it dosnt feel like it
when i actually run it
even when i roll crit
slow marsh
@rocky pecan https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hE5EbZjAK1Ys9YgxSCKHyA this is with nadjia + obed included for reference
I mean the triple pot with dashing is just good
Lethal poisons specifically
slow marsh
free 500 mastery every now and then isn't too shabby either
brazen zodiac
ig the 252 chest isnt that good unless i take mfd
im guessin u have ur wps and lashing in the enhanced spots?
oak sky
all 3 are enhanced on nadjia now
slow marsh
ye but lethal is pretty close in enhanced too i think
oak sky
idk about theotar
slow marsh
theo is next week
brazen zodiac
oh right right nadjia did get that this week
hm
theo for m+ gonna be litty titty
or maybe im coping
slow marsh
yeah idk i roll dice for m+
but yeah theo is the play for sin m+ for sure
lethal is too good
brazen zodiac
i cant wait to make zold ugh.
the command table shittin out soul cinders makes it p easy to get em now. shits like 2 weeks.
slow marsh
that's nice. i haven't been very into the grind lately so the less i have to log on the better. so no cindies for me
brazen zodiac
idk i just do everything in 2 days come tuesday then log back in monday for last raid day
seems easier to me
slow marsh
getting tier 6 archivist and 4 weeks of 10 keys for slots that had shit in them did me in
slow marsh
also wtf is the point of going so hard if i'm just getting hard walled by my dps guildies trolling the shit out of me anyways
brazen zodiac
cause its 3 am and im in pain so seeing sims tell me to switch gems makes it even worse
i stepped on glass while trying to chase my dog
brazen zodiac
fkin assholes and their broken beer bottles :(
slow marsh
Well seems like chest is def the play over neck
brazen zodiac
absolutely :(
but we will still sim it for cope
@slow marsh the double door of shadows feels nice kek
slow marsh
I can honestly say I have used door like once in a fight and it was only cuz step was on cd
brazen zodiac
lmfao. i only ever use it in m+ for cc
or at least whenever i accidently take nadj f
oak sky
door is pretty good every once in a while on sylv
slow marsh
yeah true actually i use it to skip bridges for sylv
brazen zodiac
whats the ilvl we can upgrade the world quest gear to lmfao
slow marsh
it has its niche uses. i dont hate it but i found fleshcraft and soulshape to be much more useful
brazen zodiac
soulshape
vestal wren
door has more niche usage
i usually use it to reduce downtime e.g. cast it so that i get into range of a enemy just as a void/aoe effect expires
works fairly well on sylvanas heroic first phase
oak sky
yeah
slow marsh
yeah i use it for like fatescribe bombs or the nine shards and stuff. and yeah sylv veil. most of the time though i end up just realizing i could've just stepped / grapple hooked and been quicker
vestal wren
i tent to use my steps to maximize uptime before that
fallen arch
I think they completely shit the bed with door of shadows as opposed to the other covenant abilities
brazen zodiac
if it had like no cast time itd be super
slow marsh
like when its good i'm like " heck yeah I actually get to use door" but most of the time i just find other ways to maximize uptime that dont require a 1.5 sec cast
vestal wren
kyrian is not as exciting too
oak sky
i think it did in beta
vestal wren
even tho its good
slow marsh
kyrian pot is super good just cuz sylv bleed exists
vestal wren
soulshape is just best design wise but we rarely abuse it
fallen arch
Kyrian can be super helpful for some M+ affixes, way better niche than dos
brazen zodiac
whats kyrians thing again i completley forgot
vestal wren
yes thats what i say, kyrian is good but its not very exciting to use^^
vestal wren
the hs that removes bleeds
brazen zodiac
ahh
brazen zodiac
how come mfd gets removed from my bar every time i switch talents >.<
slow marsh
cuz outlaw mfd is technically different
brazen zodiac
oh
vestal wren
i would probably just create a macro then
brazen zodiac
oh i can do that? cool
slow marsh
Ye you probs want a mouseover macro anyways so it works out
vestal wren
i mean, most ppl use a macro for mouseover
brazen zodiac
uh im new idk what yall mean by mouseover
im guessin like you dont gotta click it?
vestal wren
should work:#showtooltip /cast [@mouseover, exists, harm][@Target] Marked for Death
brazen zodiac
ur progging painsmith without a mouseover macro for demonic gateway?
nope
i can click it with no issue
fallen arch
Oh thats nice
vestal wren
9.1.5 will solve the macro situation for gate
fallen arch
Yeah thank god
slow marsh
I right click gates just fine personally
fallen arch
I never seem to be able to do that
slow marsh
I understand why people have a hard time with it for sure
I guess maybe just all the league of legends has led to having decent cursor control so i dont have much issue clicking it
oak sky
it doesnt matter sometimes
tbh
if theres too many people crowding a gate you cant click it
vestal wren
yes
slow marsh
true which is why i'm glad they are doing the toy thingy. I dont use the macro now cuz i use focus tricks
fallen arch
ye a macro is the safer way
slow marsh
whats ur league user ice
xiceblades
brazen zodiac
r u down for some games
fallen arch
true which is why i'm glad they are doing the toy thingy. I dont use the macro n...
I do too in m+ but that's almost never needed in raids?
vestal wren
if you don't want to have it cast on your target with no mouseover you can remove the @target from the 2nd []
slow marsh
Sure i'm always down but i'm about to go to bed rn lol
brazen zodiac
im guessin like you dont gotta click it?
was this right?
vestal wren
if theres too many people crowding a gate you cant click it
i remember it being a big problem in nyalotha
oak sky
yeah ive heard on carapace it was big
slow marsh
I do too in m+ but that's almost never needed in raids?
For me i've had more issues with aggro on pull vs clicking lock portal so
slow marsh
true
oak sky
thats what i do
vestal wren
i don't remember a encounter that had it as relevant as carapace
slow marsh
If I ever miss a gate then I'll swap to focus gate macro just for you
slow marsh
Would that make you happy
vestal wren
i would say, its worth to keep the macro in mind in case you run into issues
but with 9.1.5 providing a better option its probably 
oak sky
your group is probably just good at not standing directly on the gate
slow marsh
like if i was doing some nutty off the platform lock gate tech to skip painsmith balls in rwf then yeah sure
oak sky
macro is /focus [@mouseover, nodead, exists]
slow marsh
But yeah my group does remind people not to stand directly on gate so there's that too
oak sky
interact with mouseover?
brazen zodiac
i am here brothers and sisters
pog
sylv dagger not even gonna mean shit anymore
ima get it after gettin another 252 weapon
slow marsh
I have double 252. I want sylv dagger for outlaw 
vestal wren
sylvanas dagger is a bigger deal for subtlety
slow marsh
it's like +30 in OH for sin
slow marsh
it might go up a hair with mfd idk i haven't simmed it yet
but yeah it's like + 150-200 on my outlaw
brazen zodiac
so do i wanna full send mfd off cd except for when flags about to come up
cause idk if i should spend the combos in enven or if rupture bouta run out
oak sky
if a reset is coming up you can hold for that too
brazen zodiac
sometimes i find myself with rupture bouta expire but mdf up so
vestal wren
this was the Carapace macro thing iirc:
Step 2: Bind the mouse hover interact: game menu -> key bindings -> targeting -> interact with mouseover```it doesnt matter what you spend cp on with mfd
slow marsh
Whisp's rules were MfD on cd unless flag is in 15
oak sky
its just a generator
resets definitely break that rule if you can get like 3 of them off
slow marsh
someone was talking about being a slight gain to hold mfd for shiv but i dont know if it ended up being worth it
oak sky
not for a long wait though
oak sky
ive been playing it the past 2 days
it lines up really well
like every chain set and add set
and you normally get multiple resets each time
slow marsh
I played it the hour it became a thing in soulrender and was immediately vibing with it
oak sky
first fight i played it on was fatescribe which also lines up really well
slow marsh
my only issue i've had is not being able to prio finisher before stuff just dies to get multiple resets
brazen zodiac
went from 49% haste to 44 after switchin chest piece
probs had too much crit
crit*** not haste lfmao
49% haste oh my god
slow marsh
Yeah I have 46% crit and like 17/18% haste
oak sky
i have 41/21
rocky pecan
Again shit vault.... Demn
oak sky
rip
slow marsh
The 46.7something i have is real nice when i roll party favor crit
but never complaining about free 3% haste either so
oak sky
for sure
brazen zodiac
bouta try mfd on the nine im guessin we use it on the mini add lmfao
oak sky
if possible for sure
slow marsh
yeah you always want to use mfd on stuff that will be dying quickly
rugged sphinx
does it matter which weapon enchant i have on mh/oh
balmy condor
No
rugged sphinx
thanks!
balmy condor
woeful wigeon
rank frost 5 + the 40% crit or rank 5 unholy fulll haste +rest
balmy condor
I’m gonna say frost because frost is way better for sin
But I have no clue what the question is I’m gonna be honest
woeful wigeon
well before we swapped to the frost build most of us where unholy gemmed
on rank 5 with full haste + other stats wud it be better or is the 40% crit +frost stull dealing more
balmy condor
It’s dealing…..
A TON more
Like a silly amount more
People went unholy before frost got buffed by literally FIFTY percent m
chrome spoke
Do i get a 252 dagger ? or go for unholy 3 set?
I have no shards for unholy nor frost yet.
so that ill have to get during the raid ronight.
any tips?
currently rocking 242 daggers
woeful wigeon
i wud says 252 dagger loot of raid can be traded
balmy condor
Yeh I would take the dagger and just wait till you get a frost set
chrome spoke
tnx
ruby oyster
top gear is broken for domination pieces or something? i have non-dom head and top gear is showing dps loss or 0 gain vs 252 dom head with blood shard while gear compare gives me 50dps every time
limber lion
It works fine
You just need to select the gems you want to sim and press the "replace existing gems/enchants" button.
ruby oyster
i did and i lost 1782 dps lol
limber lion
Then you did it wrong
ruby oyster
yeah i must have, i picked that head from vault, sharded in and it works fine now
whole pilot
Losing 1782dps is almost certainly set bonus being lost by options selected
plush isle
Does anyone know if its not possible to get Edge of Night out of the Vault as an Assa Rogue ?
pseudo hamlet
Got third Sylvanas dagger in a row from Great Vault. While the KT shoulders aren't dropping since the 9.1 started 
gray lynx
That's crying on the highest level 🤣 
plush isle
We are at 8/10M and i deliberatly go to the bench on most rekills so i can have 3 HC Vault Slots, 5 Week in a Row, still nothing.
vestal wren
Got third Sylvanas dagger in a row from Great Vault. While the KT shoulders aren...
you could open it as outlaw
pseudo hamlet
you could open it as outlaw
That's actually a good idea. But I would risk getting a one-hand instead. 🤔
vestal wren
nothing wrong with that
limber lion
That's actually a good idea. But I would risk getting a one-hand instead. 🤔
Outlaw actually has a bigger loot pool, so if you're aiming to solely get the shoulders, then you should loot as Assa/Sub instead.
sonic schooner
yea since u have 3 onehanded weap
vestal wren
thats correct :/
pseudo hamlet
Marginal, but still a DPS gain
arctic walrus
@limber lion what were u up to now
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> what were u up to now
No clue honestly, haven't played/simmed myself in a while
sick cairn
guys i still have my 262 doomblade from the start of the patch since it was my first 262
still super good for raids?
do i still go frost?
im NL not venthyr btw
hollow river
Doomblade and frost are still the main picks for Necrolord
You can sim Dashing Scoundrel to see if it’s an upgrade though
pseudo hamlet
The best answer would be to sim yourself. But as NoTrickz already said - DB + Necro + Frost is really good and should be enough. 😄
rocky pecan
Better luck to get sylv dagger as sin loot spec or sub loot spec? It's same amount of loot but who know someone already tried 🙏?
hollow river
Better luck to get sylv dagger as sin loot spec or sub loot spec? It's same amou...
No difference
Same loot table
scenic rivet
Hey guys if i use dashing scoundrel is it worth using ambush from stealth or should i still open with mutilate?
dense hamlet
u dont open with ambush like ever
if nothing has changed
but @balmy condor can tell u if im wrong
u pretty much ignore that keybind unless its a blindside proc
green ledge
Only use ambush from blindside procs if you play that
scenic rivet
but i mean it doesn't put a bleed on the target anymore since im not using doomblade so i get double the dmg with same energy and cp
scenic rivet
mutialte and ambush give both 2 cp
dense hamlet
the reason u open from stealth with a mut isnt a doomblade proc
mut crits give upto 4cps
u know
and with Ma
u should only mut not ambush
harsh lantern
ambush on blindside proc only I think
sonic schooner
I confirm ambush is used only on pvp scenario or blindside procs
dense hamlet
ye
normal mist
Pvp as assa?
dense hamlet
well no confirming needed
scenic rivet
but isn't it the seal fate passive that gives you cp and not the mutilate crit? so if i crit with ambush im not getting 4 cp
dense hamlet
if u use some logic
harsh lantern
mut uses both weapons
dense hamlet
but isn't it the seal fate passive that gives you cp and not the mutilate crit? ...
no ambush dosent work
normal mist
Even in pvp ambush isn't used as assa afaik
scenic rivet
ok so ambush cause one weapon with crit max 3 cp
scenic rivet
ok got it thanks for helping
dense hamlet
yeah so u just use it from blindside procs
arctic hare
Hahahahahahaha
dense hamlet
arctic hare
Awesome
zinc frost
GMs always listening
gusty mirage
Oooh so that’s the secret
glad siren
I did it guys
I parsed #1
... for assassination...
On Guardian... heroic... for heals... lmfao
final star
👑 you dropped this king
glad siren
Lol 😆 love you guys
gusty mirage
I spy an @slow marsh on that list too
limber lion
I don't have any r1 healing parses :'(
halcyon zealot
have you tried healing more?
limber lion
Have not actually
spice spire
Cev too busy unethically pumping to heal
final star
Crimson vial on CD
spice spire
Only way to play
halcyon zealot
i got all my good healing parses before the masses played frost lol, too saturated now
harsh lantern
new disc feature
gusty mirage
snow cobalt
Anyone have any advice for a sin rouge on mythic KT? Should I use vendetta when I go down in the fight or save for boss
odd heath
Depends on your comp really
lavish lichen
Do you need extra damage when you down?
If so then use if not then hold
Your answer might change as you get closer to killing it as well
subtle tundra
assa really isnt that great at anything on kt other than killing remnant
so youll probably just be a remnant killing bot
also depends on strat but i guess going slow is trolling nowadays
so youll have to hold cds every time
hollow river
I wonder if sub could actually be sick with funnel damage up top to switch prio if needed
subtle tundra
nah, 1 pull mobs are spread and another just on top of each other, way too inconsistant
snow cobalt
Like I asked my guild where they wanted it they told me “the better target” but the timing seems to be fine using top or bottom so if this is the case should I save for boss vendettas for lust?
subtle tundra
mega depends...
do you go on last remnant?
how many people go there
do they use cds
how fast do the mobs outside die
also the dps on kt last phase is mostly irrelevant
it just flops
kt is one of those bosses you cant just blindly copy some else, you have to think and adapt
snow cobalt
Currently we have 2 hunters 2 warriors a rogue and boomy go down with 1 healer
subtle tundra
well you asked for last one, thats overkill for it
snow cobalt
Our boomy blows frenzy and it dies
subtle tundra
on last one you want to overkill it and be able to stop so you go out for good timing
and its only 20%
subtle tundra
yea just use it
snow cobalt
Because I get a full vendetta in either way so for prog what’s better
subtle tundra
its vendetta
you have to fiddle around the dps
do the warriors use? do the hunters?
snow cobalt
I think everyone going down atm is using some burst cd
subtle tundra
well, make yourself the constant and always use vendetta
you and boomy should always use
desert quartz
hihi for vent do i hold flag for vend or just let it go
snow cobalt
I’ll figure it out when we are deeper in pulls closer to kill timings just want to know for a prog perspective
final star
sub is further ahead on boss damage than assa
on KT
assassination suffers from having a 20s cd duration on that fight and if you get bad tank add spawns it's kinda whiffed
so likely end up saving for phylacterys
unless you are allowed to hit boss
desert quartz
<#856136418170896404>
thanks i thought i didnt see it
fading wigeon
np, its in the covenant abilities area
desert quartz
ok im blind.. thanks alot!
silver fog
how good is 252 decanter of anima-charged winds in m+ environment?
stiff tapir
silver fog
only mythic boots from The Nine (running hc version atm). Although its 3rd boss so im eventually going to get them from reclears
autumn prism
Can some1 give me a general rule of thumb about how spend my energy correctly ?
spice spire
That’s an FAQ/guide question
autumn prism
Sorry
fallen arch
Never cap is the general rule
frigid kestrel
balmy condor
but <@!167090536602140682> can tell u if im wrong
You aren’t wrong but also I won’t tell you you’re wrong at 4:30 in the morning xD
quaint carbon
would it be worth to evenom at 3CP last second of the flag windows to get 3 more stack ?
balmy condor
Yeah that’s fine
quaint carbon
aight ty 🙂
spice spire
You aren’t wrong but also I won’t tell you you’re wrong at 4:30 in the morning x...
You tell me I’m wrong all the time
gusty mirage
You tell me I’m wrong all the time <:pepehands:757566347558387803>
that's because you are
gusty mirage
you know, same
but after a month of vaults where I took tmog options twice and research once
spice spire
that's because you are
Rude
gusty mirage
I just accept my fate
dense hamlet
You aren’t wrong but also I won’t tell you you’re wrong at 4:30 in the morning x...
oh yeah didnt notice mb 
reef herald
Can anyone take a look at some logs?
spice spire
Many can, link the juice papi
reef herald
gusty mirage
quick scan of everything looks fine
no wasted CP
rotation seems fine
was it a scuffed kill?
spice spire
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KphcN7ynZzR6vXGF#fight=45&type=damage-done&...
Two things I see are very max-min-y. On your last flag, I’d have held vendetta for it as it’s a slightly higher damage output and you’d have not missed a flag cast. This isn’t a normal rule; for every encounter; however, guardian kills are very easy to anticipate kill timers.
Secondly, you missed a second pot
gusty mirage
why are DPS dying to sunders? 
gusty mirage
seems like it was an unlucky amount of crits on frost
tbh
everything else is fine
spice spire
Yeah there’s nothing that’s like
“Yeah you really fucked up here dude” that I can see
reef herald
Two things I see are very max-min-y. On your last flag, I’d have held vendetta f...
Yeah for sure, will just save flag for every vendetta i think next time
spice spire
Yeah for sure, will just save flag for every vendetta i think next time
DO NOT. Lol
Just the one
gusty mirage
yeah don't do that just send it
rocky pecan
and pray for crit on set frost
spice spire
Because mixing them is good, but if you do it every time - you miss flag casts
gusty mirage
the dif between my 92 and your parse is legit 800dps
rocky pecan
so pray
spice spire
Which is worse than not lining them
gusty mirage
and I had 53% crits with frost
to your like 25%
that's essentially the difference tbh
just unlucky rng by the looks of it, nothing you did wrong
gusty mirage
plus pepega performance by some of your raid members
2 classes with immunities dying to sunders
reef herald
Alrighty thanks appreciate it
spice spire
gusty mirage
dif between you and the other rogue for example @reef herald is he had 50% crit on frost
you most likely would've smoked him if you had 50% crit on your frost procs
spice spire
100% I was looking to
reef herald
So what you're saying is, rngesus effs me outside of weekly vault too
spice spire
That and legendary diff. But you’d have run it had he not. Iirc your wins was like 947 and his was 1700
gusty mirage
pretty much yea
spice spire
So what you're saying is, rngesus effs me outside of weekly vault too
Correct
gusty mirage
spice spire
He’s very fond of you rn
rocky pecan
this and try not miss second pot
reef herald
Ah crap true, so lineup final flag, second pot and pray for rng got it
balmy condor
oh yeah didnt notice mb <:Comfy:586465739511300096>
All good :)
spice spire
Ah crap true, so lineup final flag, second pot and pray for rng got it
Yessir
gusty mirage
sacrifice a mage to rngesus
spice spire
sacrifice a mage to rngesus
They prefer boomies 
gusty mirage
that's what I did last tier and I've been pumping since
made a fire mage quit raiding and I was rewarded
spice spire
made a fire mage quit raiding and I was rewarded
gusty mirage
0 ball damage on painsmith and tank damage on the boss
again, I refuse to apologize
subtle tundra
well i made a main tank rage quit mid prog so im better than you
subtle tundra
🇬🇳
subtle tundra
lies, deception
gusty mirage
"Aren't you the MT and raid leader?"
spice spire
gusty mirage
we're just doing the dirty jobs y'all don't want to do
subtle tundra
why would you want to raid on monk
gusty mirage
why would you want to raid on monk
because I hate myself
gusty mirage
I forgot to switch out dashing in a top 21
viscid spear
I've had a toxic person in every guild I've been in.
Last expansion I transferred to an Alliance guild that I had alts in to raid Dazar'alor (and I'm still in) and there was this snotty better-than-you guy that was honestly below average at the game but he acted like he was a big community figure or something. In Ny'alotha he ragequit and spent the entire rest of the expansion looking for anyone in our guild in Boralus and /spit them. Even continued to do it in Oribos in Shadowlands. Ever since they removed the emote we haven't had a sighting so idk if he xferred or just gave up trying.
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
I've had a toxic person in every guild I've been in.
Last expansion I transferre...
yeesh
viscid spear
/e spits on you.
Funny enough there was a guy in Stormwind a few months back that was in a guild called <___ Spitter> (I don't want to call people out, iodk if it's against the rules) and he had a "/e spits on you" macro set to Shadowstep.
gusty mirage
before I get painted as a toxic individual like @spice spire wants, I'll make it clear I never openly flame people
subtle tundra
i'd wanna be like that guy
gusty mirage
just like that cursed wake he brought me to, I didn't flame them openly
just in whispers to @spice spire
viscid spear
He was Sub so he had double SS so you'd see the emote in chat so much, lol
viscid spear
We thought it was this other guy but turns out it was just some guy that really liked spitting
spice spire
just in whispers to <@!226508540746006528>
Even more toxic tbh
gusty mirage
Even more toxic tbh
I hate you
viscid spear
Looking to down H Sylvanas tomorrow and get a dagger so I can eat a piece of paper
hollow river
I hate you
Can I wear your bandana mister? Plz
gusty mirage
yes 
hollow river
viscid spear
I'm not a fan of most headgear in-game. The only helms I use are Engineer goggles because they're kickass
hollow river
^ yes
viscid spear
And at this point I have a pair of goggles for any set I could want, regardless of color
Only non-goggles I would want is the LFR crown from Opulence, I should get some people to help me.
I'm not original 
Ah, I killed the conversation.
spice spire
viscid spear
Lol, I was using the green orb grapple thing to get to the Vault of Secrets and a Boomie was on the other side waiting. I Cloaked and threw my Gravimetric Scrambler Cannon at him and he bonked close to a Stygian Bombarder and died
hollow river
I'm not original <:beare:587982296062361622>
Have you made yourself some shadowlands goggles yet? That’s what I’ve been rocking.
I want the Zandalari and Legion ones
jade abyss
What is this for a set?
hollow river
What is this for a set?
?
jade abyss
Sorry was forget to answer tje picture from ashkitten
hollow river
Ooh
jade abyss
Shoulders are looking badass
jade abyss
Damn thanks for that im NL 😭
hollow river
I think you can still get them as a drop but someone that’s Venthyr has to spawn the mob for you
subtle gyro
Question...does Exacting Preparation make only stones and oils 20% or is it Celest and Sinful aswell?
hollow river
Looks like the tool tip says enchants as well
subtle gyro
makes me wonder..
hollow river
Is that a DK ability? Wrong chat yo xD
subtle gyro
Venth soulbind trait 🙂
subtle gyro
Maybe worth trying out? 20% is big on the agi proc if it works like it reads
hollow river
Sim it
subtle gyro
in the works now
balmy condor
exacting prep is pretty dogshit
viscid spear
Have you made yourself some shadowlands goggles yet? That’s what I’ve been rocki...
Sorry for the late reply, needed pb sammiches 
Yeah, I've crafted every single googles possible, been Engineering since I started way back in Wrath
agile geode
is that worth to us MfD instead of Vigor guys?
vestal wren
you can sim it
agile geode
ye i simmed it is 120 higher
halcyon zealot
sounds worth it to me
vestal wren
if you don't mind adopting mfd gameplay, its worth
whispyr compiled a short list on how to use it in the pins
slow marsh
I spy an <@!409626135408803841> on that list too
Heck yeah I stay healer parsing
viscid spear
Was getting purple parses for healing with my r4 Frost set
harsh lantern
just gotta equip a r5 for 🍊
viscid spear
Vitamin C?
static rock
is it normal to waste cp with seal fate? trying to work on learning how to review my logs
viscid spear
Was also hovering under 30% crit
clever kindle
My healing parses 
hollow river
is it normal to waste cp with seal fate? trying to work on learning how to revie...
Yea that’s normal
We don’t really play around Seal Fate procs when generating
If you get lucky and go to 3 cp in 1 mut, you mut again. If you get lucky and get 4, you use a finisher.
static rock
okay thank you
hollow river
When necro you use SBS during gemstone windows in ST if using heirmir.
hollow river
In cleave you do play around the extra cp you’d get.
clever kindle
I have never once in my life played sin to cleave
viscid spear
clever kindle
The only thing this spec is good for is boss damage
hollow river
violet jackal
yikes
clever kindle
and falling asleep pressing two buttons on aoe
violet jackal
4 buttons
harsh lantern
sub?
clever kindle
I just don't like sub, I play outlaw, I have no problems swapping
hollow river
Sin in 2-3 target cleave is insane
harsh lantern
think sin aoe is way less sleep gaming than sub
vestal wren
sin is great, you don't need to play sub if you don't like it
spec diffrences in raid are irrelevant usually
clever kindle
I have no problem keeping up bleeds on multiple targets I'm just going to play outlaw in true cleave scenarios
the nine is one of my better personal fights
vestal wren
in m+ subs niche might be handy if you push rly high keys, but if you don't
clever kindle
Yeah I'm doing plenty well on it, but I mean it's just abusing a mechanic that will be gone next patch which I hate
violet jackal
ho ho ho is that all your swashbuckling can accomplish
clever kindle
With a 246 mainhand and a 233 offhand yes
clever kindle
You can play subterfuge on that fight if you want to try something spicy
after the x week of killing that boss
violet jackal
real question, I hit every optimal M+ vault item that I could, do i keep doing 10 keys a week to try to hit tretiary stats on those same items 🤔
clever kindle
ignore difference I 100% fucked up the pull I played subterfuge
harsh lantern
Never tried that tbh
clever kindle
completely fucked my opener
strange python
is it worth to play 1xEoN 246 at Mythic Sylva fight?
static rock
real question, I hit every optimal M+ vault item that I could, do i keep doing 1...
yeah you should
violet jackal
yeah you should
20% speed here i come
harsh lantern
u mad man ninja
static rock
20% speed here i come <:prayge:803711491021733888>
oh my bad i misread that, i wouldnt personally do 10 keys a week if i had full bis m+ "stat" gear at 252
harsh lantern
balanced as all things should be
static rock
do you not ambush with subterfuge?
shell ivy
does mfd work on remnant orbs?
lavish lichen
does mfd work on remnant orbs?
You wish
clever kindle
My instinct says no since I dont think it refunds bone spikes
also they dont die
they go friendly
clever kindle
KT adds
shell ivy
ok good
static rock
or maybe thats sbs
clever kindle
painsmith balls are fine because they die
I think KT adds get desummoned or some shit idk
maybe they fixed it but it didnt work a few weeks ago
static rock
i think it works on kt adds
static rock
the soul
clever kindle
shell ivy
fatescribe adds work too right?
static rock
and the small adds
clever kindle
I know bone spike doesnt refund from tank adds
static rock
do you use rupture on remnant orb or is garrote enough?
shell ivy
they die too fast in my raid
clever kindle
if you drop 2-3 point ruptures you make a ton of energy off venemous vim
sonic schooner
11dps diff between epvig and bsds :o
clever kindle
11dps diff between epvig and bsds :o
you can pretty much just use any combo of talents at this point I have sims with master poisoner, subterfuge, mfd, deeper strategem, EP, vigor, all within 50-100 dps of each other on straight patchwek and Im sure they would have minor variances based on fight play style, just sim it out as best as you can
static rock
i heard last night that you are supposed to dot them while they're immune
lavish lichen
Yea you do
clever kindle
Thats fine
lavish lichen
For energy
sonic schooner
at Nathria it was 250 dps diff for me, now it s just so close it just confused me xD
violet jackal
I think they fixed it so it refunds from tank adds
static rock
yeah my bad just seems crazy to dump a 4 cp rupture into a ball thats taking like 1 damage
violet jackal
I know kel thuzad and sylvannas I have so much fun chucking about 30 bone spikes throughout the whole fight
each
clever kindle
shit dies too fast on heroic for me to do that and we havent reached mythic yet
painsmith should be dead soon though
violet jackal
for mythic remnant are rogues always outside manevolence?
clever kindle
que
static rock
sometimes you arent
lavish lichen
yeah my bad just seems crazy to dump a 4 cp rupture into a ball thats taking lik...
You dump CPs depending on how long it will live
static rock
whenever the boomkin gets it im "close"
lavish lichen
I basically never do it
static rock
or warrior im "close"
violet jackal
yeah my bad just seems crazy to dump a 4 cp rupture into a ball thats taking lik...
you do it for the energy gains, not necessarily the damage
clever kindle
Its a free energy battery
violet jackal
oh wait we talking painsmith balls?
lavish lichen
Nerzhul
static rock
remnant
violet jackal
wait you still do it for painsmith ball because its an energy reset
static rock
is it possible to even maintain 4 garrotes
balmy condor
no
clever kindle
2 I think? 3 maybe
clever kindle
It just seems really tight
Not much play so to speak so you wouldn't be pandemic'ing them
lavish lichen
You can have 4 no? Assuming they’ve hit them all in pandemic (ofc you need more time than most situations in the current raid allow)
clever kindle
It would take you 24 seconds to apply 4 with 18 second durations
balmy condor
you apply the first, then at 6 seconds you apply the seconds, then at 12 you apply the third, then at 18 you apply the fourth at the same time the first drops
you only get 3
pandemic has nothing to do with it
clever kindle
no
I was saying it wasn't possible because of the time constraints, just worded it weirdly lol
NOW
lavish lichen
Yea makes sense im dumb
clever kindle
If night fae ability had stayed how it was back in beta
Maybe something with a subterfuge build
clever kindle
But I dont think currently that you get subt benefits from the pseudo stealth
Yeah true
Possibly just me though with my current stat balance but I have plenty of sim builds without MA at all
doing more or equal damage
Most likely from Necrolord crit gem talent and sitting close to 45% crit already
static rock
Do we pool before flag or just vendetta/shiv and are we supposed to try line shiv up with flag?
slim pebble
lavish lichen
If you don’t lose usages lining up is ideal
So on a patchwerk fight you’d line up your final usage
tribal mauve
Sylv prog tonight o/ any tips boyz ?
static rock
Alright! Do you pool before flag?
frigid kestrel
Alright! Do you pool before flag?
Pool and Max -1 CP before you flag
Also You can hold Shiv if it’s within 10 seconds of Vendetta/Vanish only
Other then that you Shiv on CD no questions asked
sour wraith
Sylv prog tonight o/ any tips boyz ?
Don't die to swirlies/rive and watch veil timings before using cds
P2 if you're running the mfd build you can throw a flag at the 1st platform and have it come up late on plat 2 but it desyncs vendetta and flag on the boss so its iffy on whether to use it or not (assuming your cds are assigned to be used on sylv in p2)
static rock
Also You can hold Shiv if it’s within 10 seconds of Vendetta/Vanish only
Okay but vendetta is 20 active seconds so wouldn’t shiv make it into the vendetta window? Or is it because master assassin benefits off shiv?
uneven hamlet
P2 if you're running the mfd build you can throw a flag at the 1st platform and ...
Yeah, we are at a early sylv prog too, I'll ask to let me only cd sylv and st in Lts in p2
I'm considering going CT instead of PB to help P1 and p2 prog
We will see
sour wraith
Not worth imo
Let other classes that have better aoe go aoe spec and you focus on st
frigid kestrel
Okay but vendetta is 20 active seconds so wouldn’t shiv make it into the vendett...
The latter, because Vanish and Vendetta will always line up
uneven hamlet
Let other classes that have better aoe go aoe spec and you focus on st
That is true
static rock
The latter, because Vanish and Vendetta will always line up
Okay thanks!
uneven hamlet
Sylv prog tonight o/ any tips boyz ?
You can cloack the raining swirlies on P1 and avoid the dot, you can cloack waves in p2 and avoid the dot, p3 idk
sour wraith
You can cloack the raining swirlies on P1 and avoid the dot, you can cloack wave...
If you're close to intermission I would recommend saving cloak and running to a far away chain and using it there, you won't take damage from the aoe burst and your chain damage doesn't stack @tribal mauve
thick jungle
Hi I had a question regarding raiding legos. I read thr faq and wowhead guide. I see that it mentions doomblade and dashing scoundrel are pretty close, but sims seem to favor doomblade, but the raid breakdown shows most rogues using dashing scoundrel. I'm just curious about the variance. I'm guessing that the reason doomblade is higher is because in sims it can get perfect uptime while in most raiding scenarios the poison ticks just are more reliable. So I'm just wanting to make sure to craft thr correct lego as I'm starting a rogue alt
spice spire
Hi I had a question regarding raiding legos. I read thr faq and wowhead guide. ...
You see most using dashing at the top end as it interacts well with our best dom gems, frost
At the moment, dashing is a bit over Doomblade; however, if you check #assassination-faq it’ll answer a bit more in depth about all of your legendary questions
Along with some sims 🙂
thick jungle
Oooooh I see. I didn't even take dom sockets and bonus into account
alpine latch
Woah woah woah
Quake is being helpful?
I've only been gone like a week man .. what happened to you?
spice spire
Wdym
I only troll the homies
Im helpful to everyone new, as we’ve all been there
And try to be helpful to those who are asking the real questions 🥺
bitter apex
can someone help me I'm a bit of a dumbass when it comes to sims
but I want to sim to see if I should use oil on mainhand and such
spice spire
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
quasi grotto
would MFD still benefit me on partiocular bosses even if it simms lower currently