assassination

[oak sky]

pooling is a pretty decent gain

[obtuse robin]

bruh

[kind talon]

eveeonmoiemk buff pp

[fathom flax]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[fathom flax]

1%

[kind talon]

do u have a weakaura that has envenom buff

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

[kind talon]

and ep buff?

[brazen zodiac]

one sec leauge gma

[obtuse robin]

an upgrade to ur shitty fps will 1000 % make u a beter player

[kind talon]

ye all good, should just look at weakaura and try to keep shit up

[brazen zodiac]

eyeah

[obtuse robin]

why even debate this

[oak sky]

because you're wrong

[obtuse robin]

just like yerterday

[kind talon]

u said setup not fps

[oak sky]

you don't just become a better player

[kind talon]

if ur playing on 10 fps yeah u cant improve

if u cant play

but if ur sitting at constant ~playable (60+) fps

u can press button fine

:o

[obtuse robin]

my god

lmao

like the oiriginal coment is talking aboput low fps

ffs

[obtuse robin]

i can also quote what started this

my god

[kind talon]

thought this was the convo, if u were reffering to fps then there's no disagreement

ur comment was directly after agreon's

[brazen zodiac]

.<

[brazen zodiac]

the best buff in the game

[vestal wren]

i don't know why fps is such a high discussion.
You can absolutely do your rotation on lower fps without issues, keep in mind that rogue has a 1 sec gcd

[obtuse robin]

because its important

[kind talon]

slower reaction to things like, seal fate cp, sht, outlaw sinister strike etc

[vestal wren]

but we can dive down to reaction time metrics

[obtuse robin]

wel not high fps

[vestal wren]

if you use weakauras, don't

[kind talon]

i have pretty slow reaction time

[obtuse robin]

just fps over a certain point

[kind talon]

so i need some good fps

[vestal wren]

because weakauras triggers to buffs/etc are delayed by a bit 😛

ping is also more relevant

[brazen zodiac]

ah

[viscid spear]

Good morning Sinners!
Did we morph into Outlaw channel for a bit overnight over fps?

[hallow sage]

i will say, back in uldir i had seconds per frame on zul and that definitely impacted my performance 🤔

[viscid spear]

From when I started playing (Ulduar patch in WotLK) to right before Legion, I was using a laptop. It was brutal, and I was glad to have an actual PC.

[elder prism]

Yo! For somebody who has high-end gear+frost set, is dashing scoundrel superior to doomblade in the Sanctum raid?

or is venthyr obidience better than both?

[spice spire]

Dashing will almost always win out, but MFD +‘obedience is another improvement. So If you get absolutely best in slot or close, obedience + mfd should win out. Otherwise? Dashing

[elder prism]

Having mained Outlaw in M+ for the longest time, I really dislike MFD and how finicky it is in addition to the 50 other keybinds you get as outlaw....so on that note, dashing scoundrel it is 😄

thank you btw

[spice spire]

Any time

[royal lantern]

what

is that for a shittake lmao

[ebon thorn]

yeah

i have a 3070ti and a 9900k cpu, pretty decent specced and fps, and im still shit

shit take

[hollow river]

Lmao

I think he means that good good fps > bad

Like 60-100 > 10-30

For me the game just dc’s like twice a raid night so if I could figure that out it’d stop half my random deaths

[ebon thorn]

yeah i mean

if you have 5 fps during rive

you will perform badly most likely

[hollow river]

U dead

[ebon thorn]

but a bad player on a good setup will still be bad player

good player on bad setup it will make you play worse

[hollow river]

Agree

[ebon thorn]

statement works better for FPS players

Where you will actually have an advantage and shit if you have a good pc compared to a 20-30 fps gamer

[terse talon]

not true, i dont have absolute high end gear but obe+ mfd sims higher than dashing

[lavish lichen]

Yea same for me

[spice spire]

So you’ve either met the “or close” category which is noted - or your gear is in a good place

[lavish lichen]

I’s say I actually have shit gear

[spice spire]

Ilvl, Dan?

[lavish lichen]

244?

Something like that

[spice spire]

Daps simmed better with dashing at 249

Could have changed by now, but moot point considering the person didn’t want to go the MfD route. This is worth noting though

[lavish lichen]

Yea not really sure what makes one better than the other

Maybe haste? But I dont have a lot of that either maybe like 18%

Only started raiding on my rogue like 3 weeks ago tho so again basically no mythic gear

[spice spire]

I do think it’s the haste difference iirc daps was at 10 - but hard to tell I’m sure someone smarter than myself could tell you though 😛

[lavish lichen]

Just switched to Venthyr too Obde is kinda weird

Do you always get 30 stacks with MFD?

With Vanish I can get it but without it’s kinda cringe maybe I just need more practice with it

[spice spire]

With MFD you’re much more likely to get 30 stacks or at least close

[lavish lichen]

So not always

I do get close

[hollow escarp]

depends if you crit your builders 🙂

[sly mango]

crafting doomblade and zoldycks a safe bet for raid/m+?

necro

[royal lantern]

doomblade is bad for m+, its a raid legendary

zoldycks is good for m+, the best overall assassination m+ legendary

[sly mango]

yeah that's what i said

not clearly though i guess

ty!

[viscid spear]

I was waiting for my new PC to come in so I was using my brother's PC to progress on H Sylvie.
It was a slideshow.

[grand ridge]

i remember playing combat rogue back in wrath on a core 2 duo laptop

and my mindset was as long as I wasn't lagging enough to energy cap in raid I would be fine

it was pretty awful lol

[royal lantern]

i mean, it was wotlk

you did enough dps for most raidfights by melee attacking back then anyway

[wooden perch]

is nadjia the go to

for assa?

[lusty surge]

silly question: shiv doesnt amp nature damage from the nature damage engi bomb right?

[spice spire]

It does not

[spice spire]

Nadjia and Theo are both good. It’s close enough to say “sim what’s best for you” instead of giving you an outright answer

[wooden perch]

ok fair enough

[brazen zodiac]

idk simming with theo feels weird sometimes cause of soothing having 100% uptime

always says it's like a 60 dps increase but can never tell if im bein baited or not. feels like shit in raid f

[lavish lichen]

Easy choice for me

Theo is sub soulbind

Positioning requirements for buffs are not my favorite, if it sims significantly higher sure I’ll take it but if its only a few dps I’ll likely only take it if we are struggling in a really tight check

[subtle tundra]

i mean... it depends
the only pure ST fight is guardian
if there are adds, nadja should gain a bit from thrill seeker

but then you can get painsmith intermission thrill seeker proc so it loses value

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but guardian isn't standing still all that often

[subtle tundra]

it is though

its very little movement

[brazen zodiac]

meh.

[gusty mirage]

Extra crit for the balls to keep up snd

[limber lion]

Yeh, Guardian is the closest thing to patchwork we have.

[subtle tundra]

the secret is to only use snd just before alacrity falls, so you keep alacrity the whole fight

[ebon notch]

no the secret is to fan of knives while running

to build up cp

or just mfd them cause itll reset during the intermission anyway

[tiny parrot]

are we still spamming FoK in m+?

my BFA brain cant digest the new assa playstyle Sadge

[subtle tundra]

there's nothing different

[gusty mirage]

We spammed fok in m+?

[subtle tundra]

just spam more ruptures

[plain thistle]

we did actually

[gusty mirage]

Maybe on really big pulls

[plain thistle]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

The more I remember bfa the more I hate it

[strange python]

rogue is better here than in bfa

hot take i know

[tiny parrot]

i'm confused

so we maintain crimson tempest and rupture over fok?

[strange python]

u build with fok to maintain CT

[pure moth]

Build with fok.. then spend with crimson, envenom after you've put your garrotes, ruptures up

[plain thistle]

rupture over fok? you build with fok and spend with rupture/ct/envenom

[tiny parrot]

i mean, if i get 5cp after 1 fok should i fok or rupture?

[plain thistle]

you spend

[strange python]

but spend

[plain thistle]

not necessarily with rupture tho

[tiny parrot]

also whats our opener with subterfuge look like?

without bonus cp from garrote it feels so sketchy

[nocturne geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/736313937297014906.gif?size=48

[strange python]

what's your keybind for target switching and garrote from stealth?

[tiny parrot]

i mean for single target opener m+

atm i'm just tab garrote and slice and dice

[strange python]

there u go

[tiny parrot]

then fok>flagel>crimson tempest

[strange python]

in more than 1 target u just press tab garrote tab garrote and u proceed as usual

[tiny parrot]

yeah but i'm not sure about ST opener

in bfa we got 2 bonus cp from garrote so everything seem smooth

[strange python]

i do it differently all the time. i garrote then ambush to 4 cp then SnD

sometimes i double ambush to get to 5

[tiny parrot]

so garrote>ambush>garrote>slice and dice?

[strange python]

not double garrotr

[hollow river]

We don’t use ambush

[tiny parrot]

why not double garrote? you get like 8 extra seconds from it right?

the empowered garrote not the normal one

[strange python]

no no it doesnt stack like that

wish it did

[hollow river]

Don’t double garrote in ST

Never use ambush in m+ if you’re playing the correct talents

We only use ambush from Blindside talent procs in pure ST raid encounters like Guardian of the First Ones

[tiny parrot]

so basically the first garrote from stealth is 18 seconds, the 3rd garrote with subterfuge will put it upto 24s

why are we not doing that? i remember back in bfa thats the thing we do in single target

[strange python]

double garrote in opener doesnt extend the duration

[oak sky]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[glass tulip]

its also more effective to get a big mutilate crit and get close to max combo points

[strange python]

u only extend it in pandemic

[oak sky]

Yeah normally the st opener in m+ would be garrote mut snd

If snd is up already you build to 4+ then rupture

[tiny parrot]

yes, but its the empowered one with subterfuge

we not taking the pandemic into account?

[oak sky]

Yes we take pandemic into account

Always

[strange python]

ur asking if u should vanish and apply another empowered garrote ?

[tiny parrot]

because in my tooltip it said 22s when i did the 2nd garrote with subterfuge

[spice spire]

It extends duration by 5.4s

At this time, it’s not worth the global

[tiny parrot]

erm no

[oak sky]

Garrote is pretty energy inneficient compared to mutilate

[glass tulip]

^

[spice spire]

It was in 8.3, but even then you could offset it with a finisher in between

[hollow river]

We aren’t playing in BFA

[spice spire]

That’s why you don’t double up rn

[hollow river]

Things change

[oak sky]

So we don't use it as a builder unless it gives something a dot

[tiny parrot]

what i'm doing with subterfuge is garrote>mut>garrote>sad

[glass tulip]

but what about with the tier set in legion?

[oak sky]

Sorry is this legion?

[glass tulip]

yeah I think so

[strange python]

it will be in 9.2 kekw

[spice spire]

Garrote > SnD > Mut > whatever after

Double garrote is bad

[hollow river]

Besides garrote

[spice spire]

Also because of cut to the chase, we can extend and infinitely

So you don’t have to have it at 5 cp to pop

[hollow river]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[hollow river]

Check out IceyVeins shadowlands guide plz

[spice spire]

What I mean by whatever after is: it’s a branching decision. Did you hit 4CP (and not running DS) you rupture here and if venthyr, pop flag before, if not mut

Smart NT

[hollow river]

Ik ik just poking fun with you 🙃

[spice spire]

Oh gotcha, sorry!

Right now garrote isn’t where it was with shrouding. So we maintain it through pandemic for energy regen + a little extra damage. But it’s not the heater it once was. Cleaving with subt will still feel nice though

[oak sky]

[wooden perch]

whats better for sylvanas pure boss dmg, obedience dashing or doomblade?

[limber lion]

Dashing for Venthyr

[wooden perch]

by how much?

[limber lion]

there is no number for such a thing

[bleak sun]

Dashing if you have set frost +big krit

[wooden perch]

ye i got frost set and 40% crit

is flagelattion awkward on sylv ?

[limber lion]

No it is not

[bleak sun]

No

[wooden perch]

i just switched

from necro

[limber lion]

Flag is much better

[wooden perch]

like does it overlap with veils n shit

[limber lion]

It might do, but you just don't press it just before a veil then

[wooden perch]

ye makes sense lol

[deep wadi]

!opener

[limber lion]

veil lasts for 2s, you can surely hold it for that 2 seconds

[wooden perch]

can i tho?

[limber lion]

huh?

[wooden perch]

im outlaw brain

[arctic walrus]

Yea bro we’re just fucking with you, sepsis is actually best for sylv

[wooden perch]

im yoking

[brazen zodiac]

u can see when darkness is about to cast so can always time it

[wooden perch]

wtf are u on about vel

[brazen zodiac]

you havent heard? sepsis is bis now

big buffs to the legendary

[wooden perch]

"Whispyr — 09/22/2021
Fae lego still sucks real bad nothing to see here"

ratio

[brazen zodiac]

haha

[obtuse robin]

why do ppl over think stuff

[indigo mulch]

Can you cheat death the smash from guardian on mythic?

[charred wraith]

yes, tho if you are soaking, use cloak (unless you need 1 more)

[royal lantern]

you could just cloak both smashes?

[indigo mulch]

Yeah we're lacking one soak

So i figured i can use cheat death on those if possible.

[charred wraith]

just feint before to make sure you survive

[wooden perch]

wait assa with mfd is kinda huge now

so much more potential for nice plays

and higher deeps

on fights with adds

[kindred rapids]

mfd made all my parses orange

thanks whispyr

for showing me the way

[limber lion]

np

[indigo mulch]

What do we hold mfd for?

D:

[limber lion]

Flag

[indigo mulch]

Just flag right?

ye

Do i use spectral or phantom on guardian? D:

[drifting cloud]

do you think the potion makes a difference or

use whatever you have in bags

[wooden perch]

okay on sylv mythic where do you guys use CDs in phase 2?

do you pop vendetta + flag on first adds?

[cerulean nest]

how many pulls do guilds get painsmith down with these days?

just an average

[lavish lichen]

99-149

Progstats.io

“Progression time” 9.7-14.6 hours

For 1142 recorded kills

[limber lion]

Without faerie you pop on first adds and second burn

with faerie you pop on both burns

[soft shale]

or nf pala with leggo pog

i saw one the otheer day in a hc

[wooden perch]

faerie?

[limber lion]

Benevolent Faerie, Night Fae Priests's covenant ability

[drifting cloud]

you can do both burns without faeries

2nd one is just after veil

you get like 80% of the vendetta in

[wooden perch]

i mean right now i am doing vendetta on first adds and then on 2nd burn

but i guess i could hold vendetta on first adds for first burn?

seems overkill to vendetta the first adds

i mean i still get my whole vendetta off

since i vendetta goliath

since they kill summoner quick

[drifting cloud]

well yeah thats why its a question for your guild not the assa channel :d

[wooden perch]

yea ur right

ok i decided

ill pop 1st adds and 2nd burn

now question is

do i my hold my flag for 2nd burn?

i just popped on 2nd adds last pull

but maybe i hold for more boss dmg

[drifting cloud]

you hold it

[limber lion]

Yeh it really depends on what your guild needs. Like if the adds are getting blasted to smithereens, you probs don't wanna use cooldowns there

[jaunty kayak]

do you guys dmg arrows at all in p1 myth sylv?

[soft shale]

yes

you stop dmg anyway

[jaunty kayak]

even when i try to to do.. the fok and dots dont tick enough to do any significant dmg to them and they just disappear:/

[indigo mulch]

:X

big aoe bombom

[jaunty kayak]

and im being slightly flamed for low dmg on arrows :/ .. gimme unbound chaos and no problem lol

[wooden perch]

ty boys think ive got it all planned out

ngl mfd + venthyr assa

is the most fun ive ever had with this spec

[drifting cloud]

if you get flamed for low dmg on arrows

the people doing it have no clue how your spec works

[wooden perch]

i mean the fuck are you supposed to do on arrows as assa lol

CT is most u can do

and thats not a lot

• ur melee

[rocky rain]

How do you guys fit shiv into soulrender? If I use on opener it seems to come up just as adds are arriving. If I use on big add it only lasts like 4s until he is dead

holding feels bad

using on boss feells bad

[red plaza]

Prog or pad?

[limber lion]

You just use it on cooldown on whatever is available.

So you use it on the boss on the opener with all your cooldowns

And on the boss again after 25s

[oak sky]

Doesnt the add damage amp not show up in logs

So you can just always slam it on boss

[rocky rain]

so i just dont switch to the add?

[rocky rain]

prog - but the add is dying pretty fast so im not sure im needed

[drifting cloud]

1st one will always die fast

others, not nearly as fast

[rocky rain]

well no - but even after BL they go down pretty fast

It's awkward trying to switch until the first dance or so

[drifting cloud]

trust me if you were truly deleting them you wouldnt be progging this boss

you dont need perfect uptime on them, just dont ignore them they just make everything harder if theyre dieing slow

but dont see how its that akwards swapping to them, you can see where it will spawn like 3s earlier you can be on top of it before its even up

[oak sky]

@rocky rain you want to be getting poisons and ct on the adds

Ruptures if they live long enough and garrote when its up

[rocky rain]

It's only awkward with shiv timings

hence my original question

Since I shiv boss and then switch off after like 3s

and I'm talking the big add. We are pulling them all together

[drowsy parcel]

dont really have to anymore

we went full send this week, pushed her during third veil instead of fourth

and skip third set of arrows

[soft shale]

beastbois

[drifting cloud]

youre r200 guild, most cant do that

[drowsy parcel]

my guild is pretty shit tbh that shouldnt be the problem

[drifting cloud]

its definetly not easy

its more of a farm strat for pumpers

[quasi venture]

Time for wcl to fix so KT gives points

[limber lion]

Nah, with phylactery being a thing it's still not a fair playing ground

[tawdry portal]

Anyone know of a resource to show the best uses of cloak in m+ and SoD to outright avoid mechanics and maximize dps?

[frigid kestrel]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[frigid kestrel]

^ This

[tawdry portal]

tyvm

[frigid kestrel]

Ye np, keep in mind that it’s a living document so it will/should be continuously updated

[hollow river]

I mean if you absolutely had to you could spec into a better spec for that?

I guess that doesn’t work for everyone though

[drifting cloud]

the arrows are 15% nerfed as of this week, if guild is struggling on them its just bad cd assignments

we still do it like prog where a hunter ws a set that dies in 5s, its easily overkill but who cares

p1 is just about living

[gusty mirage]

@drifting cloud any tips on retaining my sanity during fatescribe prog?

[hollow river]

Oo I gotta see this

[drifting cloud]

how many boomies you got

[gusty mirage]

2

[hollow river]

1

[drifting cloud]

you doing zerg p3? convince your guild to do that then just check out mentally until you do 2 intermissions correctly

[hollow river]

How do you guys deal with the adds exactly

Ik you line on the pillar

But they come out and cast quickly

What do u do before tank sets them up?

We basically only have an hour on the boss so far

[drowsy parcel]

cloak if you didnt get bombs

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's the plan rn, tomorrow we're really starting the prog. We've only done about like 15 troll pulls with 19 people last week

[drowsy parcel]

if you did get bombs, just stay and pretend you didnt make it out

[hollow river]

That doesn’t help everyone else I meant in general what should everyone be doing I guess

[drifting cloud]

how much does the add cast even do I think I feinted it last week and it didnt even break my absorb

[hollow river]

It trucks us

Idk

[quasi venture]

true.

[hollow river]

We were definitely not doing shit correctly from what I could tell

[drowsy parcel]

it doesnt do that much

maybe 50k or so

and its a dot, feint doesnt do anything

i could see it being a problem if the entire raid soaked it

[drifting cloud]

uhm youre talking about a different thing 😛

[drowsy parcel]

big adds on fatescribe intermission?

[drifting cloud]

but yeah obv you dont want everyone to soak it

[hollow river]

The 2 adds ye

[drifting cloud]

the range is what 20yard? even if they arent in position for los you still can outrun it

[hollow river]

Not the tank add

25 yard I think

And true

[drifting cloud]

but yeah im spinning runes so wrong person to ask

[hollow river]

I mean I usually spin runes too

But if I don’t get the debuff I can’t

[quasi venture]

despair?

[hollow river]

Ye despair

[quasi venture]

ah

wait whats the problem i did not read everything.

[hollow river]

Read everything

[drifting cloud]

oh you meant 50k for combined dmg

[quasi venture]

ah i see, well i usually run towards the adds thats furthest away to not get hit by the first adds despair. dot that up when he casts despair you run to the one the tank has at the pillar (at that time he should of already cast the 1st one) then when both are stacked you just line behind pillar @hollow river

[hollow river]

Kk thanks

I need to look into what everyone should be doing

[drifting cloud]

but yeah even if you get hit by 1 its a non issue atleast for rogue

[hollow river]

I mean it’s not about just me really

[quasi venture]

ye.

[hollow river]

I’m usually fine

[drifting cloud]

I tanked 3 of them apparently over few tries and its 70% absorbed lmao

[hollow river]

I’m sure RL will have come up with what to do by tmrw anyway

Just want to educate myself a bit etc

[drifting cloud]

but yeah theres no rush start of phase, just need to delay 1 rune till the end

and even if you dont its not that big of a deal dependingh if you do zerg strat or not

[quasi venture]

if you feel like you have god on your side and wanna pad you can cloak the double despair at pillar aswell but then if you get bomb after intermission you cant cloak that away

[hollow river]

Yeah we were trying to delay last rune

Have them hop off for a couple seconds or w/e

[drifting cloud]

on some pulls when adds arent being potato you might have both dead for 10s

and on some tries 1 might be on 30% when you phase

[hollow river]

Yeah we had 1 try with an add alive after phase

We also switched ret pally to holy to 5 heal

So they could hard assign them to center rune

And we still had to stop dps in p1

[oak sky]

Usually you can heal through qn almosy dead add i think

[drifting cloud]

well yeah you have to stop because youre doing 2 tank adds

[oak sky]

An almost

[drifting cloud]

with 4 heals you can beat that

[hollow river]

What do you mean

Skip the 2nd add?

[drifting cloud]

yeah you can phase before it

[hollow river]

Oo

[drifting cloud]

but not gonna work with 5 heals obv

and if youre doing 5 heals youre not doing zerg strat

[hollow river]

After a handful of attempts we weren’t doing that

We never skipped add

[oak sky]

Are you talking about intermission or tank adds

[hollow river]

Earlier we were talking about intermissions

Just now we started talking about tank adds

We switched to 5 heal since we weren’t beating 2nd tank add anyway

And holy pally in center rune is op but that’s not his main spec

[drifting cloud]

yeah you have to push boss to 72? I think while more or less ignoring the 1st add

then you finish it off and phase same time

[oak sky]

Yeah 72 stops the casts

[hollow river]

Ignoring?

[drifting cloud]

the tank kites it around

[hollow river]

And u soak it?

[oak sky]

You would want it for funnel

[drifting cloud]

no lmao you just push boss to 72 then you finish it off 😛

[hollow river]

Oh

[oak sky]

I think the add should be in

[hollow river]

Do you lust p1 for that strat or nah

Assuming no

[drifting cloud]

no lust

[hollow river]

I don’t think we have the dps for that

[oak sky]

In that case p2 would end up being an issue

And you wouldn't skip any adds there

[hollow river]

Right

Tbh I don’t think tank adds are our issue

[oak sky]

What have you been wiping to?

[hollow river]

Intermission

We only have like 15ish pulls

I’m just trying to wrap my head around everyone’s role / where the adds should be etc

[oak sky]

The intermission adds should be stacked by the pillar

[hollow river]

I like the idea of running to 2nd add, dotting, then to safe spot

But that only helps me

I know that

[oak sky]

I usually just st the close add then focus the next one when it comes in

[hollow river]

Context. Lol

[oak sky]

Idk

I think we had a hunter misdirect the far add

[hollow river]

Onto tank?

[oak sky]

Yep

[hollow river]

Hmm

[oak sky]

Pretty sure thats standard

Not positive though

I was usually either focusing on my rune or slamming the add

Tank would probably taunt it when it starts getting closer to the group

[hollow river]

Can you evasion the despair?

Or just cloak

Someone said something about a bleed

[limber lion]

Just cloak

[oak sky]

Tbh you can live despair with frost set pretty easily

[hollow river]

Kk I’ll probably just run bombs out and save cloak to greed a bit more on add instead of boss since they need to die quick

[oak sky]

But you should mostly be LOSing it

[hollow river]

Ye

[oak sky]

Cloak for bomb is imo way more worth

But whatever feels better for you

Add damage barely matters they always die

[hollow river]

Also like the idea of having cloak for if I get runes and someone jumped on late/early and hits me with laser

They always die in your raid maybe

[oak sky]

I only really used it there or for bombs

[hollow river]

Lmao

[oak sky]

How can they not?

[hollow river]

I’m looking at everything I can do to help progress

[oak sky]

Gotcha

I mean

[hollow river]

If we do Zerg strat, then I’d cloak bomb for sure

100%

[hollow river]

Because pepega

[oak sky]

Imo boss damage is much more useful than add damage on fate

But if your raid actually cant do it

[hollow river]

We’ve been stopping dps

[oak sky]

Do what you have to do

[hollow river]

So kinda useless IMO

[oak sky]

I mean

[hollow river]

:/

[oak sky]

You only really stop dps in p1

P2 you need to hit 72 during the beam casts

If you can skip those its a lot easier

[hollow river]

Isn’t 72 p1 into 1st intermission

[oak sky]

Oh

I meant 42

Sorry

[hollow river]

Np

[oak sky]

How far have you gotten?

[hollow river]

Did you guys play CT in prog?

[oak sky]

I didn't

But some people do

[hollow river]

Barely into p2 twice

With many dead

[oak sky]

CT is definitely good for add pad

[hollow river]

We’re like ~15 pulls/1 hr in

[oak sky]

Good parse talent

It just depends on if you really need the add damage i guess

[hollow river]

Adds die pretty quickly so far, so I didn’t know if I should take it or not

Definitely gonna fiddle with mfd

[kind talon]

You should play ct

[oak sky]

Mfd is good on the fight 100%

Lines up perfectly

[kind talon]

Pb isn’t bad

Yeah mfd us a must for sure

Is**

[hollow river]

Just dunno if I like the idea of Obe with CT talented

Because then casting CT in ST is a slight gain I’d assume and I can’t stand CT in ST lol

[oak sky]

Yeah

Up to you

[hollow river]

Mfd dashing is still good for cleave fights like Fate ye?

[oak sky]

Yep

I ran mfd dashing

[hollow river]

Sick

[oak sky]

Obedience is better if you gain flag casts

So it kinda depends how long fights go

[kind talon]

I mean

Mfd obedience is it

[hollow river]

Been pondering going back necro since we’re probably extending until CE anyway

[oak sky]

Yeah

I would agree on going obedience

[kind talon]

With ct

[oak sky]

I didnt have it crafted

[kind talon]

Yeah

[hollow river]

Hmm

[oak sky]

Obedience definitely makes ct more compelling because you lose less st damage

[kind talon]

Yep

U get flag during adds too

Which is juicer

[hollow river]

Which adds

[oak sky]

With dashing i think pb is better its a pretty big st gain compared to only pressing ct when theres 2t

[kind talon]

Fatescribe mini adds

That u mfd snipe

[hollow river]

I’ve been getting flag as sub like every add set I think

[kind talon]

Ye

It’s super super good

[hollow river]

I need to upgrade my Obe

[oak sky]

If your dashing is 262 you might just go dashing pb

[hollow river]

Yeah dashing is 262 Obe is 225

I think I have enough cinder for 262

Wanted to make Cele but meh

[oak sky]

Its like 1500 ish

[hollow river]

1200ish isn’t it?

Idk

[oak sky]

1650

[hollow river]

Oo yep

U right

[oak sky]

Keep in mind i think ct is good, i just thought pb was more useful for prog

Also im just another shitter

So

Grain of salt

[subtle tundra]

damn just timed 25 top and i feel proud

[hollow river]

I mean yeah I think later on the fight boss dam prolly more important

[oak sky]

Go what you think is good

Being able to figure it out on your own is better than listening to everyone here, at least when ur between 2 good options

[hollow river]

Yeye

[drowsy parcel]

ive started to dip my toes in 25s too

assassin key boys unite

[subtle tundra]

hell yea

people dont notice im assa usually

it was actually my first 25

some people do their higest keys first pf/nw, i did my first 24 as dos and now first 25 top xd

[oak sky]

Good for you man

Ive only done 19 halls but i havent run keys in a couple weeks

[subtle tundra]

ty, running keys is the only way i enjoy the game

[oak sky]

I still like raiding

[alpine garden]

Is CT worth on mythic soulrender?

[oak sky]

Yeah

[soft shale]

if you have frost set it funnels into boss

so win win

[oak sky]

Well it can

[hollow river]

Yeah it depends

[oak sky]

If everything dies or ur lucky

[hollow river]

I’m 100 cinders from my 2nd r5 set

Big poggies in the chat

[oak sky]

[subtle tundra]

man almost did 13k overall for the first time

almost felt like a big boy class

[ebon notch]

IVE DONE IT

LETS GO

IVE BROKEN MY RECORD

https://i.imgur.com/JFdZ6pE.png

9% CRIT CHANCE OVER AN ENTIRE BOSS FIGHT

YESSSS

;-;

[strange python]

lol

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/mjFSv32.png

next boss

i have 50% base crit btw

real gamer hours

[vocal edge]

What's best leggo for short burst windows in a fight? Starting painsmith tomorrow I would assume dashing? Dashing/doomblade/obedience all sim within 50dps for me

[hollow river]

there's isnt really anything for short burst windows.

sim Obedience with MfD and see how that looks

should be pretty pog for painsmith

[strange python]

bro i do not think you should play lotto for a while or sport games. this is mad

[arctic hare]

Oh crap

just got a 236 dagger

Whoot whoot for offhand

[vocal edge]

I wouldn't flag the balls though would I? Or is it moreso the downtime in the intermission for the CD of it to reset

[ebon notch]

[hollow river]

you should get 2 uses per phase iirc?

instead of like 1.5

usually with Dashing, i'd start my 2nd flag but wouldn't have enough time to finish utilizing the buff fully.

with Obedience you should get both off. but no you don't use flag on balls.

you MFD main ball for free 5 cp and when ball die your MFD CD resets so you MFD boss again

but also read up on MFD/Obedience in pins/faq. MFD helps you get more flag stacks.

[drowsy parcel]

mfd another ball

[vocal edge]

Do the balls "die" when they hit the edge?

[drowsy parcel]

yes

[hollow river]

oh i thought they didn't

[ebon notch]

nah they do

so you can mfd during intermission

on balls

[slow marsh]

Yeah they do

Been trying to MfD rup balls and fok to keep cp up for slice + alacrity

[hollow river]

do u ever rupture balls in intermission

[slow marsh]

Only because it's a mini game to keep my sanity

[hollow river]

lmao

[arctic hare]

I do it sometimes

well

I do it normally

[hollow river]

we're officially extending :/

no loot for me for the foreseeable future

[arctic hare]

Lol

I just realized that I'm not part of this guild lol

I'm dumb, sorry

[hollow river]

lmao wot

[arctic hare]

but good luck with that lol

I'm only slightly tired, I promise

[indigo valley]

Whats the logic behind taking CT over PB in sylv?

[hollow river]

LOL

[hollow river]

to CT adds/arrows and p2 adds i'd assume

[indigo valley]

Do you think it'll make much of a difference?

[hollow river]

i'm not the one to ask on that

(:

@ebon notch

[ebon notch]

they used to take

CT

because damage in the raid was overall lower

so you needed damage on chains/adds

and also it was much closer to PB on ST

because they werent running dashing

but now with dashing PB is like 300 dps ahead

and you can just get lucky procs on big clumps of adds and pad like that

[indigo valley]

PB it is then

Thanks

[ebon notch]

try both

with mfd resets

CT doesnt feel too bad

it just feels bad in p3

cause you're desperately trying to keep up envenom buff

but you also want to dump CT

its just super inefficient

and p3 dam is everything

[hollow river]

why do you want to dump CT? if using dashing

[ebon notch]

cause you are meant to use it

outside of shiv window

and pandemics

[hollow river]

o.O?

[ebon notch]

(if you're running CT at all)

[hollow river]

with dashing its dps neutral to drop CT in ST

[ebon notch]

wdym

[hollow river]

you don't know this

?

[ebon notch]

for me taking CT is a 300 dps decrease in ST

[hollow river]

ye

but u can just envenom p3

[ebon notch]

yes but

[hollow river]

with dashing

[ebon notch]

you have a talent

that you arent using

basically

[hollow river]

ye but it gives u no gain ?

[ebon notch]

to run CT you mean?

[hollow river]

to use it in p3

[ebon notch]

im confused

[hollow river]

to cast it in ST

when u can cast envenom

[ebon notch]

you dont need to cast envenom if you have envenom buff active

like thats why you pool

because just dumping envenoms over and over is inefficient

you care more about maintaining your bleeds and the buff

and slamming shiv on cd

what im saying is, its rough to fit a CT in there, when you're running dashing

because the envenom buff is a lot of your energy regen

[hollow river]

so like

[ebon notch]

and you are more likely to drop it if you try and fit a CT in there

[hollow river]

just pool as usual?

[ebon notch]

im saying just run PB

its better on that fight

[hollow river]

obviously

what im saying is in ST with dashing you don't need to cast CT at all

[ebon notch]

you dont need to obvs

but you want to

[hollow river]

not trying to argue that CT is better for the fight

[ebon notch]

because why would you lose even more dps if you are losing PB

yeah igy

[hollow river]

afaik you don't lose more dps

if "drop CT in ST is neutral when running Dashing, when talented into CT." then it seems rather pointless to cast CT unless heavy movement

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ebon notch]

Yeah true

We're basically saying the same thing

It's inefficient to use it

[hollow river]

yeah i get where you're coming from

[ebon notch]

Because of the way dashing works

[hollow river]

we're not even doing heroic reclear this week fml

have to pray my 1 mythic choice will be juicy since we killed painsmith and guardian

[ebon notch]

I'm between guilds so

Have to rely on my friends mythic pug

To get me something

[hollow river]

damn, what happened with your guild?

we're done with heroics and extending until CE so i'm gonna be dry for weeks.

[ebon notch]

Guild disbanded/reformed

But I'm looking to jump top 100 anyway

Have to give a week to see if someone gets back to me outside of the one offer I got

[hollow river]

i'm hoping we can hit top 500, but by the time we get there probably not.

[hollow river]

that sucks tho, good luck with everything

[ebon notch]

I feel bad for the raid leader, he was doing 21st man for a lot of the bosses

And he didn't get CE

[hollow river]

oh wow that's kinda fucked up

everyone should at least do a reclear for that man

[ebon notch]

We wanted to but GM is main tank and he wanted to disband so

[soft shale]

well we will eventually kill it again

but not with the same people

right now on the boss of choosing guild name

[ebon notch]

nah i already came up

with guild name

[hollow river]

oh you two were in the same guild

[ebon notch]

ye

[brazen zodiac]

yeah? you're sayin it's practically useless to cast envenom if the buff is up outside shiv window?

[soft shale]

yea you're not at the levels of zoom of late bfa expedient

[hollow river]

I don’t think that’s necessarily correct

[soft shale]

so energy is still a resource

[hollow river]

But idk

[soft shale]

although sometimes you get lucky and get 4 cp from a mut

so if you're capping energy just send it

[brazen zodiac]

never played, no idea what ur on about, but sounds fun af

[soft shale]

basically you had like 70% haste at all times

[brazen zodiac]

ncie

[soft shale]

it was dirty

but it also made many things possible for other things like thishttps://www.twitch.tv/hachadino/clip/RelatedQuaintAubergineOneHand?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[ebon notch]

i mean if you arent energy capped that is

you're basically perma pooling

lmao

[hollow river]

Well

It’s been said that not pooling isn’t that big of a deal. “Minor minmax”

[ebon notch]

its a 500 dps loss to not pool properly

you can actually sim it

[hollow river]

I definitely think now that we’re doing more dps than we were in CN

It’s a bigger minmax than back then for sure

[hollow river]

We’ve had this debate before

I agree that you should pool

Idk if I agree with 500 dps in an actual fight

[ebon notch]

i mean its what the sim said so

theres a line in the APL that factors in pooling

[hollow river]

Yeye ik

[ebon notch]

you can literally remove it and do a custom sim and see the loss

[hollow river]

Like in practice, I usually pool when I’m planted

When I know movement is coming, I send it

So I don’t overcap while I’m off boss

I hate throwing knives

But I’ve also never noticed more than 200-300 dps loss when I didn’t pool an entire fight

Maybe in pure ST when spec’d bs/ds it could be 500

[drifting cloud]

what does the line for pooling say?

[hollow river]

I’ve never tried not pooling on Guardian

[sand sigil]

the more secondary stats i feel like the less pooling would matter, comparatively. like if u suck at pooling with low haste, thats gonna be noticeable. if u had like 50% haste it probably owuldnt be so bad. maybe thats just placebo tho

[hollow river]

Nah I agree

[brazen zodiac]

yo daps

[hollow river]

Like during lust you basically don’t need to pool period

Or you’ll just overcap

[balmy condor]

mathematically true and real

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

but pooling even with bad stats is like 1% on single target

so

[brazen zodiac]

would i be shooting myself in the foot if i applied like a 3 point rupture vs a 5 during pandemic

[balmy condor]

does it REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLY matter

[brazen zodiac]

also hi whisypr

i hope ur day is going swell!

[hollow river]

So not 500 dps

[balmy condor]

I'm day raiding heroic sylv

[brazen zodiac]

bouta go wipe on painsmith for 3 hours

[balmy condor]

its an awful day

[brazen zodiac]

why do you do these things to yourself

friend why :c

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

I have a mighty need in my loins

[hollow river]

On a Monday too

Can I come

[brazen zodiac]

oh right its monday

are you ready for disappointment tomorrow

[balmy condor]

monday the only day I get to do vault run

[brazen zodiac]

no dagger, no ring, the same 252 dom gear u already have

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

I’m a trader

[brazen zodiac]

i gotta key all my vault shit done before like friday otherwise i wont do my work lfmao

[balmy condor]

tbh it's probably easier to join a boost community and boost a full heroic run every week

than it is to just pug it

[hollow river]

Yep

I wish I could join one. All my heroic reclears have been guild alt runs so parses never got higher

[brazen zodiac]

parsing on boosts zzzz

[ebon notch]

parsing on boosts is super easy what

its the best place to parse

[drifting cloud]

you parse by playing normally

[brazen zodiac]

painsmith tonight are u feeling it whisyper

[ebon notch]

you have raid buffs and the kill times are nice

[brazen zodiac]

yes ik its the best place

thats why its zzzz

[balmy condor]

no

[drifting cloud]

its not even the best place for half the bosses

[brazen zodiac]

[drifting cloud]

but depends on class aswell

[ebon notch]

for parsing on fate

its better to do in a pug

[hollow river]

O.o

[ebon notch]

cause everyone is so geraed

they just soak all the adds

[hollow river]

And just ignore runes

[drifting cloud]

cev still has that soulrender r1 from the 10 rogue run

[brazen zodiac]

lmfaoo

pog

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

bro best way to parse on soulrender

dont have a dk

you keep all the adds dotted up

and just farm that shit

[glass tulip]

same, night 2 of prog tonight

[brazen zodiac]

30% :c

prog!

[oak sky]

bro sylv is kinda fun

at least

while we're wiping quick

[brazen zodiac]

XD

we gettin to p3 on pain p smoothly now

should down it wednesday or thursday pog

[hollow river]

Yeah once you have the intermissions down it’s basically just up to ranged to move chain down during balls and for everyone else to place the last set of traps in the middle of the room

[dapper flint]

We just cant get to p3 without dead ppl, so tired, 3% wipe

[oak sky]

on what boss?

[balmy condor]

probably painsmith

[oak sky]

mmm

[dapper flint]

Ye, almost same people dying on intermissions, im in a f limbo

[kind talon]

[fallow otter]

It was way more fun 2 nerfs ago

[oak sky]

pretty fun still i guess

[whole pilot]

First nerf meant you didn’t need to stop dps

Don’t see how that takes away fun

👀

[dire spoke]

painsmith intermission "nerf" made it harder, change my mind

[slim wagon]

it made it easier for guilds that dont have the required classes to always have a mobility raid cd

made it clunkier for guilds that learned the previous way after a lot of tries

[balmy condor]

We died, it got nerfed, we stopped dying

[brazen zodiac]

pog

daggers tomorrow whisp u ready@

[dire spoke]

Yeah fair

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

I GOT A GOOD FEELING

or maybe that's the feeling of my foot finally healing

[dire spoke]

It just sucks how the gap can overlap with the balls position now so you have to wait on exact one tile and hope nobody drops fire there

[oak sky]

i have 1 heroic vault from tomorrow

extendo is pain

[vestal wren]

hc dagger is also nice

[oak sky]

i already have it tho

i need 2 pieces from heroic

very unlikely that one of them shows uo

up

[vestal wren]

you have 3 chances if you cleared heroic

but the item pool is def. very low

[magic tendon]

Is sylvanas knife good?

[oak sky]

since i barely need heroic loot i usually just dont clear it

[soft shale]

i need loot luck for next week sylv dagger praydgee

[oak sky]

big mistake this week

i killed 2 mythic bosses and like 3 on heroic

[oak sky]

the heroic dagger is better than a 252 offhand usually so its pretty good

[vestal wren]

yes

[ruby oyster]

Yo guys if I'm behind a boss and he turns around 180 to do a mechanic, like painsmitha when he throws a weapon, does game counts it as me attacking him from the front or I'm still behind?

[hallow sage]

you are now in front of him, enjoy the parries during your MA loser 👍

fr tho, everytime 😢

[ruby oyster]

Rip, I guess make sense, was just making sure, thanks

[fallen arch]

Ye bosses are wizards, they can parry even without having a weapon in their hands

[plain onyx]

lol

[safe spear]

Hey, I need some help with remnant on mythic. So when you get the bomb and you face off the edge you have a chance if getting thrown off the edge and I'm meant to use shadow step aren't I if I get thrown off? However every time I've tried it it just doesn't work. I don't want to hit it too early in fear of stepping to the boss then throwing the rest off the raid off the edge..

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks

[rigid tartan]

There’s a weak aura that shows you the mass dispel castbar. When this is at 0.1/hits zero you can press shadow step safely and will see your char getting started to knockback and then stepping. Make sure to not be too far out as to not be too far away from boss

Don’t wait for the knock back to occur and then have your reaction time plus ping fuck you up and getting thrown off

[safe spear]

Thank you, I have the weak aura I'll try to do that next time. 👍

[rigid tartan]

Depending on your age and stuff 0,3 secs might also be appropriate. Notice before at which moment the knockback occurs in relation to you keeping watch on the timer and press step accordingly when it’s your timer

[shrewd night]

"Depending on your age" this guy out here boomershaming

[rigid tartan]

I am a boomer bro

I can relate

[vestal wren]

reaction time is not a big discussion topic unless you are like an actual boomer (so at least ~60yo)

[full tendon]

I hope so. Still 246 via valor ;_;

[rigid tartan]

Maybe I’m just slow

[vestal wren]

just takes some practice

you will manage

[fallen arch]

That’s the thing tho

It’s not something u can really practice

[vestal wren]

i usually just step somone close to me, but you have enough time

so its not a super precise thing

stepping boss can be more tricky depending on how its tanked as you can easy get out of range

you can also use the quick decisions finess conduit, it might help

[fallen arch]

I do, still feels like a lottery if I get it right or not tbh

[cedar lynx]

I don't know if this has been changed, but i think you also have to be on/above the platform for shadowstep to work so it's not only about you being out of range of the boss. So if you stand too close to the edge it makes it really difficult to react fast enough to press shadowstep

[fervent rune]

Also idk if it was just your wording but you don’t have to face away as the outside bomb. You can face group and wait for the dispell

[glossy jewel]

Im curious about Necros Marileth Soulbind in raid. I see some top logs using it over Heirmir, can anyone explain why that might be the case? Sim difference, laziness to switch for specs or anything else?

[north basin]

is it profitable to take aoe enchant on offhand in m+

?

[hollow river]

You should face inside towards the boss. And stand a few yards from the edge. You can’t cast shadowstep once your character is passed the edge in the air.

[hollow river]

Most people just stick with sinful/celestial because afaik lightless force can miss its procs or something

It’s not bad to use, but not really worth changing enchants between raid and keys

[safe spear]

Ah I see I was told to face off the edge with my back towards the boss

[arctic hare]

I think thats what you’re supposed to do for malevolence, but okay lol

He means that you should to that in the case you don’t have malevolence

Is that correct @hollow river

[mystic fractal]

You turn facing the edge specifically to knock yourself the right direction. In MD strat when you’re on the outside, that isn’t guaranteed anyway, so you turn and face to shadow step and save yourself

[real bay]

why would you need to turn

[hollow river]

No

[arctic hare]

Oh

Then I be dumb lol

[hollow river]

I face towards the boss and stand as far from the edge as I can get without me and the other malevolence being in the rest of the raid

It doesn’t really matter where you face but I’ve heard different stuff from different people

[arctic hare]

It should shoot you backwards tho

[hollow river]

Some say face side ways, some say face boss

No

If it shot you backwards every time why would you need to shadowstep?

[arctic hare]

Hmm, odd

[hollow river]

It only shoots you backwards on heroic

Iirc

[arctic hare]

No no, I mean like when you get the malevolence on yourself

[hollow river]

Mythic you get shot in random directions

[arctic hare]

Seriously?

[hollow river]

Yea

[arctic hare]

Oh screw that

That would explain why i got so confused

[hollow river]

You haven’t done it on mythic I take it?

[arctic hare]

I haven’t done mythic at all

This’ll be my second week in heroic

[abstract sapphire]

anyone know how changing covenant is going to be like is 9.1.5 , is it going to be the same on live where you have to do a quest to change your covenant and then wait till tue and do another quest?

[hollow river]

No I don’t think so

I think you can just change instantly and skip campaign and jump to 40 renown. If you’ve done that cov campaign before on any other character.

[arctic hare]

Hmm, goooooood ta know

Can’t wait to try out necrolord in M+

[abstract sapphire]

thanks

[hollow river]

I can’t wait to play necro sin again period lol

Raid cleave with SBS is so fun

I almost want to switch rn but I like the ability to raid as sub too

[rigid pine]

malevolence doesnt shot you randomly in mythic, its always to your back, the random part is a mass dispel thing

and even then if you face the edge when you're the far guy, there is a chance to get knocked back and be safe instead of needing to shadowstep

I personally just shadowtep someone anyway to be safe

[grand ridge]

It's stupid how much easier MD makes that mechanic

Our group doesn't have a priest

[lavish lichen]

I think it’d be a better fight uf md didnt work

[fallen arch]

0 priests?

Don’t think that’s doable

[lavish lichen]

What

Ofc it is lol

[whole pilot]

Ofc it’s doable

[grand ridge]

I was our groups priest and I switched to rogue