#assassination

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oak sky
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like everyone on illidan seems to start at like 6 pacific

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so now im on tich

hollow river
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My buddy told me he got offered to join a sponsored Alliance guild

gusty mirage
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I would say try Zuljin

hollow river
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They’re like world 150 and get payed to play

gusty mirage
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but literally the only good thing about this garbo server is you can run into @real solar and @warped temple

hollow river
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Is that even a thing?

bleak sky
hollow river
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Never heard of such shit before

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World 150 getting paid to play I mean

gusty mirage
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I mean you might get paid to play during the RWF

bleak sky
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yeah a bit weird for sure

gusty mirage
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but that's about it

bleak sky
gusty mirage
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world 150's purty good

hollow river
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Idk man

gusty mirage
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they probably get free stuff

bleak sky
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good enough to be paid during rwf?

gusty mirage
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or like the org subs to their twitch every month

hollow river
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I’m pretty sure limit and echo all get paid year round

ebon notch
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@violet jackal link logs

hollow river
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But that’s not world 150

gusty mirage
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"Here's $2.50 kekg"

bleak sky
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true, they never said how much the players are paid

violet jackal
hollow river
ebon notch
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wow ur mythic does look amazing

hollow river
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This dudes a gamer

bleak sky
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pretty heroic logs tho

hollow river
ebon notch
warped temple
violet jackal
ebon notch
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is that the real ryfie 😮

gusty mirage
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no other reason

bleak sky
oak sky
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i liked illidan a lot tbh

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other than trade chat

bleak sky
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Have you tried the recruitment disc maybe?

hollow river
oak sky
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tich is ok

ebon notch
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nah dont go tich you cant compete with @kind talon

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he pushed all the other rogues off the server

gusty mirage
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wdym

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he's a zoomer

oak sky
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lol

gusty mirage
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his ADD will kick in and he'll go play valorant in like 3 weeks

ebon notch
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yeah zooming to rank 1

oak sky
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hes outlaw otp

ebon notch
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nah dude if he wanted to

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hed respec mid raid

oak sky
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i know

ebon notch
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get 4 rank 1s

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then come back

oak sky
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he wants to get like all 99s with outlaw then juice on sin and sub later

ebon notch
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im gonna challenge him

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on a reclear

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i go outlaw he goes assa

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we see who gets higher avg

oak sky
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he will

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you're gonna be pepega

ebon notch
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i will

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shit on him

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im multi spec talented

oak sky
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yo

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but like

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is it even a thing to care about server parses

ebon notch
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uh

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how do you even do that

oak sky
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idk

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thats why i was asking

bleak sky
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server parses: go on top 100 and look for your realm

oak sky
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brb checking all my server parses to flex

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on literally nobody

ebon notch
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thats the spirit

oak sky
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omg im kicking all the sin rogues off the server

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YES

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so sick

slow marsh
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good

bleak sky
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pogU

slow marsh
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my guild doesn't let me cheese parses =[

oak sky
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oh im totally trolling

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my parses are whatever

rare dagger
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Do you think guys that new sepsis will be competetive with other cove?

oak sky
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pins

slow marsh
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i think that next patch night fae will be pretty competitive with kyrian as the worst cov for sin

ebon notch
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to do it

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while killing the boss

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sure theyll complain

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but you would kill the boss

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so fuck em

oak sky
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me on sylvanas kekw

slow marsh
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I mean i'm still kinda gaming

ebon notch
slow marsh
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multi spec gamer xD

ebon notch
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ok those are

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gamer parses

oak sky
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true

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very gamer

slow marsh
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ye hopefully we kill pain tomorrow so i can be a better gamer

ebon notch
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get ready for your average to hit the floor

slow marsh
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i'll probs drop to like 90

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fate will be the biggest drop for sure

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i don't super care about prog parses tho, as long as we kill it

ebon notch
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yeah thats why my parses look doggo

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but im kinda hitting my ilvl ceiling i feel

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waiting for reclear to blast tho

deft obsidian
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Random one, has anyone ever come across flag not gaining stacks despite finishers going through? Checked logs and the initial hit landed and just never gained more stacks despite 3x envenoms being successfully casted

oak sky
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pretty sure thats when it gets parried

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at least in my experience

pale plank
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Do any of u run CT for mythic soulrender?

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Just prog to him

oak sky
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yeah

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ct should be good

ebon notch
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you gain the stacks

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but wont gain any more

ebon notch
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its not pad

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you gain boss damage through funneling frost set into boss

pale plank
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Ohhh I see

oak sky
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its still not pad, they need to die on a timer

pale plank
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U use CT as cleave

ebon notch
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thats the excuse you give your raid leader

pale plank
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Lmao

deft obsidian
oak sky
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probably parried

ebon notch
deft obsidian
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Didn’t get past 1 stack and when it ended I go zip haste

ebon notch
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its also how you could cast 3 envenoms back to back

deft obsidian
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Ahh okay, figured it would show in logs if it did

ebon notch
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cause you dont lose anything

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check miss%

oak sky
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it feels so bad when it gets parried

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i spend the whole pull praying for a wipe when it happens

ebon notch
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its literally

deft obsidian
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First time I’ve had it throughout 2 tiers and we missed the push for bomb add and was like whoops

ebon notch
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never happened to me

deft obsidian
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Super tilt though for sure.

hollow river
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I’m pretty sure I’ve never had flag parry either

lavish lichen
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ohh

bleak sky
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has painsmith ever sent another set of spikes after the adds spawn on you?

ebon notch
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yes

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buggy fight

bleak sky
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never seen this, i'm big sad

ebon notch
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only happened once though

mystic fractal
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how do i sim second enhanced potency vs dauntless duelist?

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seems like dauntless is too good but wanted to check

deep fractal
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why do sims/the API have me flag before vendetta? shouldn't I vendetta first to buff flag damage?

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bleak sky
oak sky
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its just an optimization

ebon notch
oak sky
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exactly

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do what you want

ebon notch
oak sky
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this is just what was determined to do more damage

bleak sky
lavish lichen
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I cant seem ti find an answer in the guides maybe Im blind but at what target count do you stop using Shiv? ALso with Dashing when do you use CT? I know not in ST but 2t worth?

ebon notch
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nah its like

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4+ targets CT gains value

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just throw shiv out

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your poisons are still ticking right

lavish lichen
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4?

ebon notch
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just use it

lavish lichen
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jfc

ebon notch
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poison bomb is pretty pog

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like on heroic soulrender you go PB

lavish lichen
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well just doing some meme keys

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16

ebon notch
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wtf

bleak sky
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slam shiv on big guy

ebon notch
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in keys

bleak sky
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ezpz

ebon notch
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always run CT

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LMAO

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thought you were meaning in raid

bleak sky
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and don't run dashing on keys or else whispyr will be mad at you

lavish lichen
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well you suggested PB** not me lol

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I mean

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dashing > no leggo

ebon notch
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i thought you meant in raid

oak sky
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True dashing is better than no leggo

lavish lichen
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Im almost certain we can time it without my leggoi

oak sky
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I can agree with that

lavish lichen
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but surely thats not better lol

kind talon
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@lavish lichen never stop using shiv

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Use ct 2+ targets

lavish lichen
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❤️

kind talon
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With dashing :)

lavish lichen
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shiv after my bleerds are out?

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in packs

oak sky
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you dont ct in single target with dashing tho

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yeah that sounds good

kind talon
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Nah

oak sky
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shiv after ct maybe

kind talon
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Shiv as a builder

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On cd

oak sky
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in like opener you would probably 3 garrote fok ct shiv then spready ruptures

kind talon
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Ye

oak sky
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cds kinda get thrown out on prio mobs

kind talon
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Mhm

oak sky
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shiv is definitely bettter on a prio mob as well

dry void
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are there sims for ST exsanguinate bis?

hollow escarp
oak sky
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theres like nothing that makes exsang good according to whispyr

balmy condor
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you can drop the like

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there's just nothing that makes exsang good

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worst talent we have on the entire tree

oak sky
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another xpac

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rework

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borrowed power

hollow escarp
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removal of alacrity

static rock
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Do we spend our first cp on slice and dice or rupture

balmy condor
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slice

static rock
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Okay thanks!

halcyon zealot
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wonder how much they would have to buff venom rush to make it compete with alacrity, or if it would just need an entire rework

umbral sandal
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Sounds like rework to me

balmy condor
halcyon zealot
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interesting, unlikely but i hope something changes with that row, alacrity is boring and feels like it should be a passive for the spec imo

viscid spear
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Trying out Frost set and it's doing 10-11% of my damage on each boss, but I don't have Dashing yet

halcyon zealot
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yeah frost is real real good, dashin just makes it better for venthyr

umbral sandal
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with dashing tho

arctic hare
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Thats, friggin INSANE

fallen ginkgo
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just swapped from Necro to Venthyr - Assa. Im kinda struggling getting to a decent amount of Flagellation stacks (without Lust) in just the normal opener. Am im doing anything wrong ?

sharp zodiac
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Define “decent amount”

fallen ginkgo
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above 25 id say

sharp zodiac
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25 is fine as Sin

fallen ginkgo
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hmm oke

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gotta test MFD memes, should help with that as well

sharp zodiac
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Yeah basic EP/Vig gotta be pretty lucky to get 30

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24-26 range is good

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Haven’t tried this new MFD stuff tho? Dunno if it drastically changes flag stacks

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I would assume the max CP Envenom brings it close to 30 every time

burnt zodiac
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should i run Blindside on Guardian Heroic

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or stick with alacrity

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EP*

viscid spear
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We can't help with the puddles on Sylvie P3 with CloS, right?

lavish lichen
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yes you can

fallen ginkgo
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Hows Venthyr opener?
Mutilate - Slice - Muti - Garrote (4-5CP) - Flagellation -Rupture - Muti (4-5CP) - Shiv- Vendetta - Vanish - Pot - Envenom - MFD - Envenom? (can also just remve mfd, havent tested yet)

burnt zodiac
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should i run Blindside on Guardian Heroic or stick with EP?

rapid forum
burnt zodiac
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Coo Coo ty

lavish lichen
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They vendetta at 4 seconds and at 1:54

drowsy parcel
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faeries?

bleak sky
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190 pulls on ps and people still can't do intermission let's go boisssss

lavish lichen
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ahh yea im dumb

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ty

drowsy parcel
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its not you its wcl thats dumb

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they gotta start listing all the externals and not just pi

bleak sky
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but they do list it

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buffs: 5

drowsy parcel
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true

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thats news to me

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there are still other stuff thats missing tho

viscid spear
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@lavish lichenSo we can gather a bunch of puddles and Cloak in a corner?

drowsy parcel
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most notably kindred spirits

hollow river
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guardian down

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time for fate after break prayge

zinc frost
hollow river
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no the other rogue did

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who is gearing our new ww

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but he only has 246 trinks :/

ebon notch
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you cant clean other platforms and shit without an external

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you gotta pick those up and insta drop them

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or tell a healer to dispel you insta

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cause otherwise you die

cerulean nest
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dude shadowstepping during nerzhul is so fun lol

versed mica
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Still never got a clear answer: when Sylv dagger debuff stacks, is it increasing the proc chance of the shadow damage, or is it increasing the damage?

ebon notch
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if it was proc chance it would be good for assa also

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*better i should say

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lmao

versed mica
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People always say "should" or "probably" lmao

ebon notch
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i dont have one so i have to speculate

versed mica
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The damage doesn't seem to increase very much if that's the case

ebon notch
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go into whipyrs stream and ask him

versed mica
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I can't I'm at work lol

dense hamlet
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there should be a pin abt that theres alot of ppl wondering every now and then

balmy condor
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idk how it's still a question

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is the thing

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the damage doubles

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the proc rate does not

real solar
balmy condor
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it's been like that

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for a long long long long time

dense hamlet
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yeah but idk ppl dont know it or smth

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or the tooltip isnt very good

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idk what it even says on the tooltip cus i dont even have 1 and didnt pay attention

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u do dmg and it does dmg basically peeposhrug

solid mica
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kyrian on the board boiz

buoyant fossil
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Bruh why do we have to wait for Raze to finish

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sour wraith
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has anyone gotten the bug where you just keep generating thrill seeker stacks out of combat?

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had it happen just now but idk what caused it

balmy condor
brazen zodiac
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downed soulrender

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i did shit >.<

slim pebble
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I am going to start a support group for rogues who have not gotten edge of night

brazen zodiac
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im interested

slim pebble
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I haven't even seen the actual dagger drop on all my runs

sour wraith
unreal glen
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Oof, awhile back (prolly 2 weeks now) I simmed Dashing and it wasn't an improvement for me over 262 Doom, now it's a +19/0.2% increase 😦 Still doesn't feel worth the effort of swapping but hoping that % doesn't increase.

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Ill do it if I really gotta, just a bummer to go through.

brazen zodiac
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@balmy condor

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ok

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my excitement

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has died.

vast forum
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idk at all what causes it

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i was literally sitting in front of a dungeon summoning friends and gaining thrill seeker stacks

hollow river
sour wraith
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nope

hollow river
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"log of the pull"

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elaborate

sour wraith
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it would be the log of the pull before i noticed it happening and then the log after showing that i started the fight with an early euphoria

hollow river
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Ooh. Weird

unborn eagle
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am i missing a trick with shadowstepping during malovance in remanant it isnt working right

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when i go outside person shadowstep doesnt work

sour wraith
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be a bit further from the edge and be fast on your step

unborn eagle
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as soon as movement happens i am spamming button

balmy condor
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mass dispel weakaura helps

sour wraith
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that too

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but once youre completely over the edge shadowstep won't go off

unborn eagle
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gotcha ty

sour wraith
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also the quick decisions conduit helps a lot if you arent using it

unborn eagle
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ya i got it empowered

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great for mythic +s also

obtuse robin
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painsmith

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is

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so

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fun

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omg

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wat

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a

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fun

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boss

dense hamlet
spice spire
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Is this sarcasm? rooThink

brazen zodiac
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@obtuse robin

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im

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just

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having so

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much fun

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on painsmith

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right now i am just

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absolutely having a fantastic time

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i told u all i would just be so super excited i am just so absolutely hyped over painsmith

dense hamlet
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ofc

brazen zodiac
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ive been crying for 10 minutes

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there are genuine tears

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pouring down during intermission

obtuse robin
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everytime someone runs ahead and kills raid with fire is really so funny

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i giggle everytime

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such a good time

brazen zodiac
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i love rocket jumpinginto a ball

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because im rcrying

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do i uninstall

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on the bright side its only 2 people dying during p1 inter now vs 10

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only took 20 wipes

spice spire
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Prog bearJAM

brazen zodiac
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p2 pog

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time to unbind rocket jump

balmy condor
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that's actually crazy fast

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took us like 60 to get to p2

brazen zodiac
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well i have 16 wipes

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they have 150

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LOL

balmy condor
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oh

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yeah that'll do it

brazen zodiac
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i feel like i should probs put backpeddling thingy back on

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ive had my stealth as s since i started palying

fallen arch
brazen zodiac
fallen arch
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?

brazen zodiac
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my excitement is dead

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after i rocket jumped into a ball

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games too hard idk

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just gonna make some spicy ramen and chicken and cope

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at least i got soulrender :D

fallen arch
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Right

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Can we get like a max on Vitalitas messages a day?

brazen zodiac
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but when black does the exact same thing

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you're vibing

fallen arch
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I’ve never seem Black send that many messages

brazen zodiac
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then read more of the chat instead of my msgs

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or block me

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problem solved

fallen arch
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You must have ignited that

brazen zodiac
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he did it first and i replied to him

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so like

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read first

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before @ing me again

balmy condor
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cut it out

brazen zodiac
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this exists too btw

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balmy condor
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spam each others in dm's

glass tulip
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just got 252 weathered talisman over 246 interplanar

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goodbye 5% haste

brazen zodiac
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pog

rapid forum
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I actually liked painsmith prog peepohappy

versed mica
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painsmith is fun af

brazen zodiac
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yeah whispyrcry

obtuse robin
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superfun

gloomy violet
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how do i sim the frost shard vs unholy shards ? , my frost shards are rank 3 , and my unholy is rank 4

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it shows that unholy give 1.4% more dps?

balmy condor
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that seems to make sense somewhat

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but you just select the gems

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make sure you have replace gems ticked

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and then sim

gloomy violet
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yeah i did , but they still shows unholy is better than frost

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is it because for me to use the frost set bonus i have to swap my 252 ilvl pants to a 213 ilvl pants ?

balmy condor
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that certainly doesn't help

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the rank 3 doesn't help either

gloomy violet
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huh i dont get what u are saying xD

buoyant bay
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just get rank 5

hollow river
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I sent my 2nd set on r4 blood today

balmy condor
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I'm saying that frost will sim lower

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because your frost set is shit

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and your legs are shit

hollow river
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100 cinders from r5

balmy condor
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and that's expected

gloomy violet
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ic , so im assuming i follow the sim , and stick with unholy ?

buoyant bay
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for now

fallen arch
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While getting better shoulders/legs and upgrading frost

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It’s shoulders that proc it right?

buoyant bay
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yes

gloomy violet
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shoulder and pants

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just that pants dont have the domination socket on them

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but can proc the set bonus

fallen arch
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Yy

balmy condor
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frost will be better long term

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but yeah, given your situation

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it makes sense

buoyant bay
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use unholy until you get better gear and a better frost set

gloomy violet
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ic , thanks so much

lean coral
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mythic sylv finally dead

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maybe ill finally see a dagger in vault and itll be mythic

hollow river
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So many rogues killing so many mythic bosses

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You love to see it

lean coral
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the nerf to the size of veil in p2

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is wild

hollow river
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Yeah I heard it’s a joke now

lean coral
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just gotta take like 2 steps out

hollow river
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So it’s like heroic now basically?

lean coral
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yeah pmuch

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i used to have to dodge by running onto the bridge or taking gateway

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this week i just had to side step

hollow river
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Wow lol

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I can’t wait to get to KT/Sylvanas

brazen zodiac
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ah u were talking about mythic. oh boy exciting

glass tulip
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Yeah I'm real excited for painsmith actually

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our team is still building and progressing faster than a lot of other guilds still stuck on these early bosses so I feel good about it

hollow river
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What are you on now?

glass tulip
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painsmith

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just started tonight

hollow river
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o:

ebon notch
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oof

glass tulip
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got bis neck off of remnant feelsyarrman

hollow river
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It’s a rigorous journey my friend

ebon notch
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early bis set is eye chest and remnant neck

glass tulip
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im ready for it, leaving it up to my ranged losers to figure out chains

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imagine not playing a rogue smh

hollow river
ebon notch
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cause you get the haste from the eye chest

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and giga crit from remnant neck

hollow river
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Ahhh

glass tulip
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haste vers

ebon notch
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until you start clearing KT and shit id sit on that

glass tulip
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on eye chest

hollow river
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I got remnant neck during farm this week

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With a socket already on it 2ez

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Replaced the KT neck I literally just got Monday

hollow river
# glass tulip haste vers

Yeah he said “early bis” basically just good pieces to grab while you’re progressing the rest of the raid

glass tulip
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im well aware

hollow river
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Ahh

glass tulip
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I keep tabs on everything related to my gear sets

hollow river
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Apologies

glass tulip
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all good, no worries

hollow river
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We’re probably extending too now that pains down :/

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So no loot for a few weeks at least

ebon notch
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we did one reclear after first pain kill

hollow river
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But CE in sight!

ebon notch
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and our second was so shocking

glass tulip
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get that tasty trinket

ebon notch
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they decided to extend

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and its been a month now and im getting the loot shakes

hollow river
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Shocking how?

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Bad?

ebon notch
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yes

hollow river
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Ouch

ebon notch
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cleared first 5 in under an hour

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then 2 0% wipes in first 30 mins

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then didnt kill until 2nd raid day

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LMAO

hollow river
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Ye first 5 ez we did in a hr Monday

ebon notch
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and we're a 2 day raiding guild so

hollow river
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Ahh

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We’re 9 hrs

glass tulip
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I got 2 off spec conduits today so that made me want to throw a toaster in my bathtub

hollow river
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So if we extend I think we get CE within 3-4 weeks

glass tulip
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nice!

hollow river
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I’ve gotten like no loot for a month now

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And now I’m not gonna get loot for another month prob

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I’ve gotten 2 necklaces

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It the thing with extending is

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We e been gearing a raiders new ww because we have no monk lmao

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If we extend that was pointless because it’s not ready for prog yet

lean coral
violet jackal
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3 mythic bosses down finally

glass tulip
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nice!

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here are some logs for you guys

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see if you can tell what my raid leader told me to do on this fight

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boss damage:

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add damage:

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violet jackal
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tunnel boss?

hollow river
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Still on Arthas?

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I have a guess if so

violet jackal
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It was with some thrall guild, I just pugged with them, not joining them. My DM have been blowing up lately though

hollow river
#

Ohh

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Check Syndicated on Arthas

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My friend just left them

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They are only 3/10 though iirc

ebon notch
violet jackal
#

next week I start trial with The Crusade on Thrall they are 5/10

glass tulip
hollow river
glass tulip
#

boss damage vs adds

violet jackal
glass tulip
#

love the skeleton crew kills

balmy condor
ebon notch
#

i dont even know what we're tlaking about

glass tulip
#

soulrender

ebon notch
#

you took CT right?

glass tulip
#

@violet jackal I see you trying to parse on sylvanas

glass tulip
brazen zodiac
#

sup daps

glass tulip
#

I was told specifically to not damage the adds

ebon notch
#

CT funnels frost set damage into boss

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run it anyway

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it is also like -3% on single target

ebon notch
brazen zodiac
#

dude daps

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i have a concussion

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ima blame my soulrender parse on that

violet jackal
glass tulip
#

I looked and saw 9 PIs in the sylv one lol

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I cant get our priest to shoot me 1 over our mage lol

glass tulip
ebon notch
#

it still does good ST damage

glass tulip
#

:/

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too much work for a tiny optimization

ebon notch
#

its not tiny

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you should be rupturing the adds to pump ST damage anyway

#

its a significant increase

glass tulip
#

eh

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not trying to parse in mythic anyway so it doesnt matter

ebon notch
#

its not

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parsing

glass tulip
#

my group is not hurting for damage whatsoever

ebon notch
#

its straight up a single target damage increase

brazen zodiac
#

daps whats ur name again

ebon notch
#

Fotmrogue

glass tulip
#

Sargeras?

ebon notch
#

draenor

lunar elm
#

so im proggin painsmith and im not too sure if i should hard swap to spike balls or just FoK and tunnel boss

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what do you guys recommend?

ebon notch
#

if ur assa

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low cp rupture the ball

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tunnel boss

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you can use fok to stack up frost set damage and get energy regen from the balls

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as long as it doesnt hit the ball

lunar elm
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cuz RL told me to work on ball dam but like i dont see the point in env or garr a ball when i can FoK and dump into boss

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but idk how to approach him with that

ebon notch
#

fok is not like shuriken storm

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dont get it twisted

lunar elm
#

oh i know

ebon notch
#

the only reason its worth using fok is because the ticks on the balls funnels frost set

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and improves your boss damage

lunar elm
#

im just spreading poison

ebon notch
#

dont forget

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mfd

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resets on that fight are giga

lunar elm
#

i dont run mfd

ebon notch
#

oh?

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should try if you can

lunar elm
#

vig comfort pic mid trial

ebon notch
#

yeah fair

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respect

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just tell him that your specs strength is in boss damage

charred wraith
#

3 nasty resets tho

ebon notch
#

nah i get what he means tho

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the only reason im comfortable with mfd is cause i played so much fucking mfd as outlaw

lunar elm
#

i legit joined the guild yesterday to trial painsmith that i never pulled until today

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just wanted to learn mechanics until i get comfortable and start optimizing

glass tulip
#

thats the move

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I know a guy who only autoattacked for 2 days to learn the mechanics and he basically never messed up for the rest of the prog on painsmith

lunar elm
#

so no focusing spike ball is what im getting

ebon notch
#

you

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rupture it

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but low cp rupture

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basically get a mut

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w.e you get throw onto the ball

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then you're fok'ing

rocky pecan
#

It's even worth to hit the balls

ebon notch
#

stacking up frost set

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and pumping the boss

rocky pecan
#

So do it sir

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If you afraid there is WA who say you of you are at good range of balls for don't get destroyed

lunar elm
#

he just said to work on ball dam but i feel like i lose more dam trying to envenom ball instead of FoK tunnel

small island
#

any tips/tricks to use on mythic sylvanas for us assa players? just started progressing her yesterday. I try to time my door of shadows with her veils to maximize boss damage

rocky pecan
#

You will loose what 1 envenom

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And you will help to kill the boss

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I'm almost first on balls o' first kill

ebon notch
#

just explain to him that its not how ur spec is designed

lunar elm
#

ive been checking logs and assass kills and they all mainly FoK and dump boss

ebon notch
#

this was my ball damage

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on our prog kill

lunar elm
#

envenom?

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brave i may say

ebon notch
#

nah

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i have crackhead energy

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i know exactly how close i gotta be to the balls

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only died to them a single time

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and that was lag related

glass tulip
#

yeah its not hard to let them chase you

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and not get rolled over

ebon notch
#

when i was playing sub i was doing crazy shit

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i was swinging left for SS

lunar elm
#

but how often proc cheat

ebon notch
#

then coming back

glass tulip
ebon notch
lunar elm
glass tulip
#

lol, if you are walking up to a ball to hit it and dying then I have one word of advice

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go play ranged dps lmfao

shell ivy
#

Honestly just play sub if u guys r struggling on balls prog at least that’s what I did

lunar elm
#

in my first pulls i was mainly getting lost in all of what was going // couldnt see my chara

ebon notch
#

on my weakaura set

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afenars

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it tells me when im not in range

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if i think im getting a bit too close

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id rather dip out

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and miss a global

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or w.e

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then risk it and die

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always play it safe

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cause you may do less damage, but you'll do even less if ur dead

glass tulip
#

lost in the sauce

ebon notch
#

shits bis

lunar elm
#

legit

ancient kraken
ebon notch
#

also top down camera during intermission is also stupid bis

lunar elm
#

i got one after a bit

glass tulip
#

do you guys not top down always

ebon notch
#

not always cause you dont always need it

glass tulip
#

not completely but mostly

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I keep it pretty much all the time for map visibility

ebon notch
#

idk like

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sylv

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you cant do top down

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too many markers and shit to pay attention to

glass tulip
#

I checked my vod and my POV is more like 60 degrees up but fully zoomed out

ebon notch
#

on intermission at least

#

perma top down

shy dust
#

I mean

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If your raid needs more ball damage

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And you’re trialing

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Yah should probably put more effort

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Despite your spec not being great at it

ebon notch
#

I mean showing he understands what his spec is good and not good at

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Is also important

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He's demonstrating critical thinking skills

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His raid leader should talk to numerous other specs before approaching him especially as a trial on a wall fight

lunar elm
#

its not a question of putting in effort but more whats better on the long run

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focusing ball increase the chance of my winds of winter going to a ball which could just absolutely overkill it right

#

should i shiv the ball? or would that be a dps loss overall? Should a spikeball be up long enough for a full shiv?

oak sky
#

It probably wont live 9 seconds so shiv is probably not good

lunar elm
#

so i feel like if would just be wasted damage

shell ivy
#

Again is there no way for you to play sub? I see you have the sub tag

glass tulip
#

fuck apm all my homies hate apm

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oak sky
#

Wdym apm

glass tulip
#

actions per minute

oak sky
#

Yeah but like

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Haste doesnt impact that a ton on rogue

shell ivy
#

I also was trial in my trial period as we progressed on painsmith and I think it’s pretty bad to play sin on this fight as trial

lunar elm
#

like i feel id contribute more FoK and rupture than focusing ball

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cause we are very close to skipping last hammer before interm when im focusing ball

alpine garden
#

Is there a wa for remnant bop? Like something that can trigger an audio alert when you get md'd?

glass tulip
#

I just use an MD cast bar

shell ivy
#

The cast bar

glass tulip
#

and then shadowstep to the other player

shell ivy
#

Kinda needed

oak sky
#

As long as the ball isn't living very long and killing people theres no real reason for you to hit it more

glass tulip
#

at 0.01 seconds left

lunar elm
#

but the difference in dam when focusing compared to the dam when tunelling kt is super small

oak sky
#

Definitely rupture it and even garrote if you feel like it

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And if you need to show your raid leader something you can do a few envenoms

lunar elm
#

i just felt like shiving and env is useless

oak sky
#

Dont shiv it

glass tulip
#

my advice is just do what your raid team needs you to do and optimize what you can while that is happening. For a regular CE / mythic prog guild you dont dont need to be min maxing every cast or second of uptime

glass tulip
charred wraith
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shiv is a waste, envenom, well, its the main source of the dmg in the lifespan of the ball to it

lunar elm
#

yea idk i feel like the only way i get "good" dam in would be a full shiv but the ball should be up for 9s

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and if the ball is up for that long we have a problem

oak sky
#

In p3 you should probably be envenoming it though

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You really want it dead asap

lunar elm
#

yea that i agree

oak sky
#

But p1 and p2 just slap some dots and call it a day

lunar elm
#

but p1 and depending on p2 i feel like tunelling is just better in general

oak sky
#

If the RL still cares when balls are dying on time you can just envenom them or tell him you think your ST is more valuable and that you are always at least putting some passive cleave on jt

slow marsh
#

I don't know if any decent raid leader should be expecting anything more than a garrote rupt and some foks on balls

lunar elm
#

we have an outlaw in aswell and he does insane ball dam compared to mine

slow marsh
#

And if they ask then you can point them to boss damage and move on

lunar elm
#

but outlaw is just padding and easier with range

oak sky
#

Outlaw presses blade flurry

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Lol

lunar elm
#

legit

oak sky
#

They dont have to do anything

slow marsh
#

Yeah outlaw is good for it but they also are not focusing balls in any capacity

#

Ranged DPS is responsible for balls. Don't @ me

ancient kraken
#

Sub is pretty good on balls dmg

slow marsh
#

Yeah idk just seems like a waste all around to me

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When you have hunters, mages, boomies

ancient kraken
#

Yeah why kill balls, just jump over

slow marsh
#

Other stuff that can insta swap and melt it in 3 globals

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But no let's expect the rogues to walk over and kill it since they are good st and stuff

ancient kraken
#

I mean I wouldn’t let assa go on it if you don’t need the Ball dmg

oak sky
#

In p3 you usually just want them dead really quick but other than that its pretty whatever

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Tbf in p1 and p2 its decent funnel

small island
#

how much should i focus the domination arrows on mythic sylvanas?

charred wraith
#

not a lot, neither you can do much to them, but i guess you would dmg stop anyway, unless you can skip last chains with 3 arrows (dk if its worth doing depending on the cd alignment after or what, just saw in logs), and bc she kinda does arrows into veil, you ll still go to the chains

small island
#

right now ive been hitting the opposite arrows if i get linked to any arrows, otherwise i stay boss.

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We just got to sylv last night so i have only progressed her for like 1.5h

charred wraith
#

If you lack p1 boss dmg for phasing her, stay boss, if you overkill her pr have enough, go for sentinels/arrows

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You probably have hunters, boomkins, maybe mages, ww for arrows

small island
#

We got 3 boomies, 1 mage, 1 warrior and a ele that deals tons of damage on the arrows

charred wraith
#

Also they like dont have health now after the nerf, so you wouldnt get much at all from them, maybe try to get some mfd resets of them

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Well then there you go, dmg arrows only if you gonna stop on sylv, or during second veil, when she almost immediatly casts veil after the arrows bc you cant hit boss anyway

small island
#

Yeah ill give mfd a go next time we raid

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Not sure if we are stopping on sylv, the purpose of stopping is to get CDs for intermission i guess?

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or perhaps cds for p2

charred wraith
#

You want to phase right while she casts 4th veil or slightly before (for healing cd's mostly, not sure if its gonna be the case anymore bc of the nerf)

small island
#

ah i see

muted ridge
#

Quick stupid question. What do Faeries buff reduce on Assa rogue?

warm plover
#

Vendetta

muted ridge
#

really? i got Faeries yday and nothing happened

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to it

warm plover
#

From 2 min to 1,30

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I usually say that I dont want it

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Feels strange

balmy condor
#

Yeah it’s not great

warm plover
#

We had one to spare in the begining of the tier and I got it but after one pull I told them to stop, i have totem, bf and Vendetta in the same Marco so it wasnt great

lavish grove
#

Do you guys also macro agi pot into Vendetta? Or any other cooldown or have a keybind for agi pot?

#

I feel like I am wasting a lot of time in the opener doing Vendetta + Flag + Agi pot and was wondering if it's worth macro'ing anything together

grand ridge
#

I have mine bound separate. long fights with hero you might pot at the wrong time if its macrod

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or short fights where you dont want to pot on pull

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you will pot on pull erry time

lavish grove
#

Exactly what I was afraid of, I will try to get better at hitting all 3 buttons at the same time then. Thanks

grand ridge
#

I have it keybound

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I used to click it for the longest time

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but when I figured out how to do shift modifiers on an mmo mouse I got a bunch of free keybinds to use

viscid spear
#

Got AotC last night

grand ridge
#

niceee

viscid spear
#

No dagger peeposad

shell ivy
#

Gz

#

How long did it take u to kill sylv

shell ivy
#

Still chilling with normal sylvanas daggers

strange python
#

Same 😭

shell ivy
#

Haha smanste, how r u doing

#

Still playing sin?

viscid spear
grand ridge
#

my normal syl dagger is my highest item level dagger

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😦

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my other one is 220

alpine garden
#

Just wait till 9.2 and get a nice blue 262

exotic rose
#

Hey guys, does Vendetta increase the initial damage of Flagellation? I'm curious of the why the rotation guide says "Use Flagellation (Venthyr) right before Vendetta when you are about to follow up with a finisher. If delays from synching with Vendetta will cost you a use, it is better to use it on cooldown though.". Thanks!

kind talon
#

it increases the initial damage, but its better to use vendetta after flag because it does more damage

exotic rose
#

Got it, cheers.

hollow river
#

Probably gonna take us more than average to kill it. I’d say 80-100

hollow river
#

It sucks, but in a prog setting, it depends on the rest of your raid. The faster the ball dies the better for everyone

arctic hare
#

Whoot whoot, made 7/10 last night!

kind talon
#

GZ!!!!!

#

good shit bro

hollow river
viscid spear
#

Heard the first 3 in Mythic are fairly easy, is this true?

hollow river
#

The entire raid is kinda easy this tier besides Painsmith and Sylvanas

#

Maybe Fatescribe and KT are kinda difficult

viscid spear
#

Yeah, I've heard M Painsmith is brutal

hollow river
#

First 3 are a joke

viscid spear
#

Actually had a guildie's son join up with us last night because his guild self-destructed on Mythic Pain

hollow river
#

Ouch

#

It happens, unfortunately

viscid spear
#

But had a fun story from last night too

#

Killed H Sylvie for our first time and the off-tank's sub ran out during the cutscene

hollow river
#

o: Gratz

#

Did he make it back to get his loot?

kind talon
#

LMAO

#

thats actually hilarious

viscid spear
#

Yeah, only one of us had loot to get though, a few of the others had gotten a kill earliet this week but this was our guild kill

#

No dagger for moi, no bow or quiver for either hunter

#

Not sure if we're going to try Mythic, but I'm sure we're going to keep skipping to Sylvie until we get daggers for me and the stuff for our Hunters.

strange python
#

should we be pressing flagellation before or after vendetta?

#

wait someone alread y asked this

gusty mirage
strange python
#

How does using flag after vendetta make sense o.o?

#

im not sure hw that equals more dam

kind talon
#

what

#

i said

#

vendetta after flag is more dam

strange python
#

right

kind talon
#

ye

strange python
#

so you dont want to get the initial flag hit in the vendetta window then

kind talon
#

you vendetta after flag ye

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its just not worth

#

but its like

#

not a huge dmg difference so doesnt make or break anything

strange python
#

alright

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ty

#

also i read somewhere you dont want to vendetta below 80 energy

#

does that matter

kind talon
#

ye vendetta on low energy is good

#

dont overcap energy with it

gusty mirage
#

vendetta gives you energy so you don't want to be near energy cap when you use it

#

also it depends on what legendary and talents you play

#

like if you're playing dashing and blindside/deeper you'll inevitably energy cap if you lust pull

strange python
#

right i just heard somewhere you dont want to use vendetta below 80, but ig it doesnt matter

gusty mirage
#

because any blindside procs means you use a global on the free ambush

#

and you're at energy cap just sad

strange python
#

im still on do0mblade because i don't have frost shards maxed out yet

#

i use EP vigor

#

I'm just trying to figure out if im doing something wrong in my rotation

agile geode
#

As venthyr do i flag After vendetta in the opener?

strange python
#

l0l

gusty mirage
#

flag before the first rupture

agile geode
#

Vendetta After?

gusty mirage
#

mut > snd > mut > garrote > flag > rupture

#

yeah you'd vendetta during the opener w/ shiv and then vanish to mut > envenom > mut

agile geode
#

Ook thanks mate

kind talon
#

mut > envenom > envenom

gusty mirage
strange python
#

I usually get to 5 after shiv and then envenom mutilate envenom

#

Is that troll

gusty mirage
#

uh not really, ideally you want as many mutilates in the MA window

#

because more CP

#

but even that is a minor optimization

strange python
gusty mirage
#

you can continue doing the 2 envenoms in the MA window and do just fine

kind talon
gusty mirage
rocky pecan
#

i tried yesterday mfd / obe on sylv MM was fun

gusty mirage
#

stick to zoomin and rolling the bones exsangery

kind talon
gusty mirage
#

really DN

kind talon
#

what is DN !?!? O:

gusty mirage
#

Destructive Nuances

#

duh

gusty mirage
#

it feels okay

strange python
kind talon
#

ur delaying

#

vanish

gusty mirage
#

ye you don't want to desync vanish from vendetta by too many globals

kind talon
#

so its a tradeoff

strange python
#

Ah I see

#

okay

kind talon
#

of "will i get lucky and double crit"

#

for minor dps increase

#

and also desync

strange python
#

Tbf it’s like a second or two but yeah, I get it

kind talon
#

yeah but

#

depending on later shiv timings right

buoyant fossil
kind talon
#

cause sometimes your shiv comes up in vanish

gusty mirage
#

yeah shiv on CD, but ideally you'd pool before it comes off CD

kind talon
#

it might desync your 2nd or 3rd or 4th vanish etc (thinking of sylv and longer fights)

gusty mirage
#

but if you can't for whatever reason just send it

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assa is very forgiving even if you miss the minor optimizations

spice spire
#

Any slammers in chat?

gusty mirage
kind talon
rocky pecan
spice spire
#

Me pressing t to shiv

arctic hare
gusty mirage
#

my T is shiv too

arctic hare
#

T? You guys use T?

spice spire
#

LETS FUCKING GO

rocky pecan
#

i use T for kick

#

G is my shiv

arctic hare
#

Er ma gerg

spice spire
#

T is the one button that changes in stealth and it’s Sap

arctic hare
#

I never thought about using T for keybinds

gusty mirage
#

I use F for kick and idk why

#

but its been that way since I was a wee lad

spice spire
#

F is fok

#

Q is kick

arctic hare
#

I use shift e for kicking

rocky pecan
#

my F is shadowstep

lavish lichen
#

K is for kick

spice spire
#

G is CT

strange python
#

Yea my shiv is shift g lmao

spice spire
#

Middle mouse is shwdowstep

gusty mirage
#

Daniel has Shaq hands confirmed

arctic hare
#

My shiv is shift 1

gusty mirage
#

middle mouse is envenom for me sip

spice spire
#

K isn’t too bad tbf

spice spire
rocky pecan
#

my middle mouse is KEK door of shadow

gusty mirage
spice spire
#

2 is my envenom bearJAM

strange python
#

Slice and dice

#

Middle mouse

lavish lichen
#

Only movement in middle mouse for me

arctic hare
#

Middle mouse is feint, moving my middle mouse button right and left are also keys, so moving it to the right makes me use evasion and to the left is shadowstep

gusty mirage
#

I have a gamer mouse, I could hypothetically play this spec with just my mouse lol

arctic hare
#

I can too

lavish lichen
#

I basically do

arctic hare
#

What with having 12 friggin buttons on my mouse

rocky pecan
#

"gamer mouse" ? thr big mouse with tons of buttons ?

gusty mirage
#

I built my binds to work with all 3 specs

#

ye

rocky pecan
#

cant play with that

gusty mirage
#

the mmo mouse

lavish lichen
#

I have all CDs and rotational stuff on mouse

arctic hare
#

Sorry, 12 buttons in the side of the mouse lol

spice spire
#

1 Mut - 2 envenom - 3 SnD - 4 Rupture - 5 Vend - 6 pot.
V is vanish, e is garrote

gusty mirage
#

M3 = Envenom/Eviscerate/Dispatch

lavish lichen
#

Only stuns and cc are on keyboard

gusty mirage
#

why do you have snd bound to 3????

#

you literally press it once

#

lmao

spice spire
#

I think I covered other main stuff

#

Habit tbh

#

OTP bruh

arctic hare
#

I have snd on 2

rocky pecan
#

i have snd on V

gusty mirage
arctic hare
#

Rupture on 1,

spice spire
gusty mirage
#

where I abandoned sin

arctic hare
#

Crap, what was my three

spice spire
#

I’ve never abandoned the homie Prayge

arctic hare
#

Oh god, I don’t remember what I had on three at all

spice spire
#

I remember when it was just myself, oshosi, whispyr. And a few here and there

arctic hare
#

I know for a fact that I use it, but gahh

#

Really?

spice spire
#

Garrote?

kind talon
strange python
#

when do we refresh dots just to make sure? rupture at 8 garrote at 6

gusty mirage
hollow river
arctic hare
#

Not garrote, garrote is on r

spice spire
#

Yeah 9.0 beginning sim was a super dead spec

#

Like

gusty mirage
#

never forgot the homies

kind talon
#

@gusty mirage please dont play high apm spec like outlaw, you might slip and unplug your life support by accident

hollow river
arctic hare
#

True lol

spice spire
#

Didn’t matter how good you were - bottom of the meters guaranteed

gusty mirage
arctic hare
#

Hahahaha

gusty mirage
kind talon
#

meanwhile im on rocketfuel

arctic hare
#

Hmm, 4 is my weird fist stunning thingy

gusty mirage