assassination

[drowsy parcel]

idk

but the dps check is very loose

[hollow river]

That’s what seli was saying

Might be harder to prog

[proper pendant]

29 stacks on flagellation

[strange python]

Was someone in here talking about jumping off ledge to cloak sylv pools in p3 yesterday?

[hollow river]

Jump off edge, cloak and rocket jump back. As goblin.

Not sure if that was a troll or what

[kind talon]

jump off the edge

thats all

gg

[hollow river]

The best way you can help your raid is to jump off and afk? Sounds good

[kind talon]

That’s what I did in a boat one time

Haven’t applied to a boost since

Too embarrassing

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i do it all the time

it doesnt remove the puddles, but it does make it so they spawn half off half on,

if this makes any sense what so ever

there is literally 0 reason to do it if ur players arent absolute apes

i just do it because i enjoy hearing half the raid scream "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING"

[brazen zodiac]

im about to if i dont get this fucking dagger

[lavish lichen]

Does rhe rupture energy refund work on the nerzhul orbs?

[kind talon]

do it

[hollow river]

Doesn’t refund once the ball “dies”

Only while your dot is ticking

You can dot orbs before they are taking damage and still get energy

[lavish lichen]

Yea makes sense ty

[spice spire]

This is the funniest troll I’ve seen in a while, I actually chuckled irl thank you for that

In other news debating a race change

[hollow river]

What are you now?

[kind talon]

be comfortable in your own body please

[strange python]

Know if there's any clips of it?

[kind talon]

also i dont think that troll is a very good race for us @spice spire

[spice spire]

Blood elf master race

[kind talon]

YES SIR

[spice spire]

But brother

[hollow river]

Idk

[spice spire]

The haste

[soft shale]

i would be human again insta

[kind talon]

[hollow river]

Yeah no changes allowed then

[kind talon]

wait

@spice spire

read this

emote

[strange python]

If anyone has clips of the goblin jump cloak pool science it would mean I'm in on sylv every week. Send clips for daggy energy

[willow eagle]

Race change to vulpera to maximise that dps

[kind talon]

someone please fix this emote name

@balmy condor

????

[spice spire]

@balmy condor peophammer

Goated tho

[soft shale]

balanced

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

[hollow river]

Are you the only rogue?

[spice spire]

About to get the peophammer on jah

[kind talon]

no cap? no kizzy? youre not fiddling with my dongle right now?

[hollow river]

They’re trolling not bringing you either way

[spice spire]

Bro?

[hollow river]

“Most powerful weapon in game, let’s not bring the class it drops for” lol

[kind talon]

Bro u swear on tha glizzy gobbler?

[spice spire]

Sure papi

[strange python]

One of two

I've made this argument.

[slow marsh]

The classic double rogue comp is surely one to be feared

[arctic hare]

Hahahaha

[brazen zodiac]

no debate never said goblin was da way. it's just my way :D

goblins are based as fuck

[ebon notch]

Guys I got a shiny rare 100% parse

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gRTVKLb2rtXfPh9C/#type=deaths&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1&cutoff=3

[slow marsh]

Goblin is da wae for sod tho

[brazen zodiac]

for sure

[ebon notch]

Sylvanas dies sunday

[slow marsh]

I see no parse

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[ebon notch]

I got shiny 100% wdym

[slow marsh]

Where

All I see are wipes

[ebon notch]

Look at bottom

100% death parse

[slow marsh]

Omfg

[frigid kestrel]

😂🤣😂🤣

[ebon notch]

[frigid kestrel]

I looked at that log several times too

[balmy condor]

I see a 99.4 there sir

[ebon notch]

Doesn't count

That's why it's shiny

Also I'm pretty sure I was talking the boss or smth at that point I can't remember

[slow marsh]

Died to fury

What a noob

[soft shale]

imagine dying

[ebon notch]

The amount of times I end up tanking the boss

Is disturbing

Evasion is bis

[slow marsh]

Only a 97 heale parse too w

Smh

[ebon notch]

Yeah but we had like 3 more mins of the fight

Easy 100

Just gotta stop the tanks from dying

[slow marsh]

Yeah clearly we know who the better rogue is

With the actual perfect death parse

[soft shale]

yea our tanks are paper mache sadly but hey we are getting close

[ebon notch]

I mean hacha killed the raid by standing in his arrow

I think that excludes him

[soft shale]

that time you step the arrow before it dies

[ebon notch]

Oof

[slow marsh]

Hey Whispyr

How's your face

Also how was pain spike gap nerf? Did it actually feel any different

[peak bobcat]

If my OBE and DS sim the same with MFD which would I get more value on Sylv mythic with?

[balmy condor]

super easy

[indigo mulch]

Like a 100 guilds killed it today on eu

So yeah, a lot easier 😄

[gusty mirage]

unless you killed the old way

then its just frustratingly slow

[mystic fractal]

What is the old way vs. new way? I

[cobalt pelican]

there's like barely any difference as far as i could tell

if anything slightly more annoying spots on some but nothing major good or bad

[balmy condor]

My raid could definitely tell tbh

Lot less edge gaps

Less running

[cobalt pelican]

i like edge gaps, pretty much never bad ball lineups

but i guess it depends how much movement you have assigned/how consistently it's used

cause we had a few pulls in the past where someone forgot roar or something and then edge ones are hard to make it to

[balmy condor]

Yeah we have more than enough move speed buffs

But it was just less movement

Which helps the IQ mechanic

[hollow river]

Ball line ups are rough now

Easy once you get used to baiting it correctly

We just got really used to how it was before. But it still dies tonight like we planned anyway.

And I will get my first vein ripper

[drowsy parcel]

we had an extra spike wave in one of the pulls today

super random

we gate over, add pools starts raining

and then an extra spike wave shows up

[cobalt pelican]

people have been having that bug since launch i think

just uncommon and i have no idea what causes it

[slow marsh]

that implies you're gonna play outlaw though

[hollow river]

I do in half my dungeons

Interested to try it in raid

[slow marsh]

it's pretty fun ngl

[hollow river]

We don’t even bother with gate on pain

[strange python]

is this pog?

[ebon notch]

[kind talon]

[ebon notch]

@kind talon get fucked

ahhahahaha

[kind talon]

?

[strange python]

ah didnt think there would be such a fast pin for ti

[kind talon]

All good

[strange python]

is it true for all specs then or just assas

[kind talon]

All

Nf is cheeks lol

[strange python]

figured

[south horizon]

As someone who is stubbornly sticking to nfae anyway, is the updated legendary likely to out perform doomblade?

[hollow river]

You’d have to sim that

[spice spire]

Since your pfp is huntmaster of the fells, this tracks.

That being said, I’d be surprised if it did

[slow marsh]

it's eons behind dashing so highly doubt it

[balmy condor]

[humble ginkgo]

but y

like the aesthetic?

[plain thistle]

what that does even mean

cursed pepe

[humble ginkgo]

means most likely no and its prolly gonna be shit

[versed mica]

Where's foreverguy's pepe when you need it

[placid pagoda]

@limber lion @balmy condor is it worth flagging on the big ad on mythic soulrender? I find flag aligns with the spawn of it at some points but I hold, dps big ad then pop on soulrender. Do you think it’s worth using on the big ad?

[balmy condor]

No

Add dies way too quick

Just send it on boss

[placid pagoda]

I thought this may be the case

Yeah

I’m doing like 3.5M on soul and like 500K on the tormentor

My excuse to raid is ramp time lol by the time bleeds and mut / envenom is out it’s dead

[balmy condor]

It’s me numb to the “is fae lego good now” questions

When it’s one of the worst fucking legendaries we have

[ebon notch]

you're there for boss damage

you are not a hard swap class

adds exist to funnel your damage on your primary target

if theyre harassing you then tell them to learn how your spec works beforehand

[balmy condor]

I mean sin is pretty good overlord damage

It’s not really that world ending to hard swap to adds

these days a big part of our damage is just envenom + frost set + melee

So swapping ain’t bad

[ebon notch]

its not bad but there are so many classes that do it better

[placid pagoda]

Aye it’s not bad, tonight I just built max CBP before swapping and dumped env MFD env garrotte into it and went back to soul

[ebon notch]

unless their comp is completely wack then focusing on him specifically wont yield the best results

if he was sub rogue or smth then id get it

[placid pagoda]

The feral in my raid does like 1m+ do the tormentor + about 2M boss damage

[drifting cloud]

1mil sounds like hes probably blowing too much into it which might be better spent just into boss

unless you have 8min prog kill where theres alot more of them I guess

[strange python]

Real talk how to parse on sylv when you're on outside of platform for screams and we hold for 2 mins p1

[oak sky]

PepeLa

[ebon notch]

Minmax like crazy

[ebon notch]

Might be inflated if it's being judged off details

Cause of brand damage amp

[strange python]

I do as much as I can, only getting 1 vend in p1 feels so bad though. And 1 in p2

[ebon notch]

You should be getting 2

Comfortably

You might be holding it too long

On my second she goes for veil like 12s in to vendetta

But at least it's a vendetta

[drifting cloud]

you blowing your load just means other hold more 😄

[ebon notch]

We stop DPS at penultimate veil anyway

Then I just bang the adds

[harsh lantern]

CT on soulrender M?

[oak sky]

yeah

[harsh lantern]

cool ty

[hollow river]

freaking

0% wipe on pain

200k health

[oak sky]

lol we wiped on fatescribe reclear with 200 hp

[hollow river]

hour and a half left for tonight

[oak sky]

u got this

gl

[hollow river]

if people stop trolling

it dies

[hearty bolt]

just do your job

[hollow river]

its fucking dead

!!!

[oak sky]

its dead

time to kill guardian

gz on 7/10 notrickz

[hollow river]

thank you (:

[ebon notch]

What a gamer

I was here

[harsh lantern]

gz bro!

[balmy condor]

[cosmic sandal]

how long has this new mfd "build" been a thing?

[ebon notch]

few days

[dense hamlet]

whats a new mfd build

[strange python]

XD 19 manned sylv tonight

[ebon notch]

its surprising how doable it is

we were shocked at how fast we were blitzing p1 and p2

even on prog

[balmy condor]

4 days

Well

Maybe 5

Cmon esra you know better :/

[gloomy knoll]

what

the community figures post those

[balmy condor]

Whomst

[gloomy knoll]

i thought they were allowed o.O?

[balmy condor]

They shouldn’t either

[gloomy knoll]

i literally copied it from guy

[balmy condor]

[cosmic sandal]

I played it last night just full clearing heroic and i couldn't really tell if it did more than the normal old build. I didn't think i missed many mfd casts and was sniping adds ect. maybe it did i don't really know

xd

[gloomy knoll]

it's only like 50-80 dps diff

not gonna suddenly make you do 3x more dam

[cosmic sandal]

true haha

[balmy condor]

Old meme anti-china type vibe is the concern

[gloomy knoll]

it's def more noticeable on fights you get lots of resets

[gloomy knoll]

que, what that mean

is it something bad translated?

[balmy condor]

I’ve been told it’s offensive but dunno

Better to delete and not have issues than leave it and do

If it ain’t then dunno guess it’s fine

[gloomy knoll]

makes sense

i won't post it anymo

[hollow river]

so happy man

guardian dies tmrw

ez

[bleak sky]

on painsmith it feels CRISP

[fervent mauve]

does dotting remnant orbs give energy? or is that considered not worth

[ebon notch]

yes and it is worth

you can do it while they have the damage reduction on them

[hollow river]

If orbs could reset mfd

Imagine

[ebon notch]

IMAGINE

[hollow river]

IMAGINE GETTING A PIECE OF LOOT FROM A RAID BOSS

I’m crying inside

[cerulean nest]

how do I parse on soulrender lol

[hollow river]

Dot stuff

[gloomy knoll]

yea it makes it a lot easier to keep up alacrity on painsmith

[ebon notch]

by not having dks

seriously i thought them getting gripped in and blasted was the play

[hollow river]

[ebon notch]

actually having them spread out

and not getting blasted

is the play

[cerulean nest]

lol ok i'll gkick our DKs

[ebon notch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4gwXpqzxGcdB6Yaf#fight=11&type=damage-done

this is heroic

[hollow river]

If you have it on farm just rotate the aoe around each week

[ebon notch]

but my point stands

[hollow river]

Make the ww go ST

[cobalt pelican]

is that the real Preppe1140B4

[strange python]

Anyone got a handy mfd mouse over macro?

[ebon notch]

#showtooltip Marked for Death
/use [@mouseover, exists] Marked for Death
/cast Marked for Death

[kind talon]

#showtooltip Marked for Death
/cast [@Mouseover,harm][] Marked for Death

[plain thistle]

new kt, much better fight

[ebon notch]

who did you send down

[plain thistle]

@spice spire 0 PI this time

[spice spire]

@plain thistle

[plain thistle]

me + 2 balance and 2 fire mage

@ebon notch

1 mage*

[ebon notch]

wait you went down and still pumped?

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor

[oak sky]

nice log

[balmy condor]

Watch out I might sneeze on accident

[gusty mirage]

I'll just wait for you to sleep ban me

[plain thistle]

yeah, I always went in

[ebon notch]

did you save vendetta for it

[plain thistle]

yes, for the second time

boss - 2nd - boss

[ebon notch]

gonna see if i can avoid it

[ebon notch]

did you only get 3 casts off the whole fight?

[plain thistle]

yup, but its probably not necessary

I think we can do second one without my vendetta

[ebon notch]

if i can avoid going down at all

would be pog

but i have a brain so im automatically a candidate

[plain thistle]

I saved my vendetta for one minute, thats why I only got 3 casts on a 6:40 fight

[ebon notch]

you delayed it on opener you mean?

[tiny basin]

either im blind or its not in the rotation sections anywhere, is it ever worth using crimson tempest single target? meaning, i have it talented for a dungeon, do i ever use it on boss?

[plain thistle]

first one on pull, saved my second for 1 minute and third to use with lust

[ebon notch]

kk cheers

[ebon notch]

use it outside of shiv windows when you dont have to refresh bleeds

its like a filler spell on ST

[plain thistle]

if using dashing legendary you dont CT on single target

otherwise, CT outside shiv window

[tiny basin]

@plain thistle using dashing

ty

[ebon notch]

o rly you just never use it?

damn

[plain thistle]

yeah

[spice spire]

yeah, jhon is right

also jhon ur pumping that hard going down what the actual fuck?

ethical gamer?!

[bleak sky]

jhonwei's a gamer for sure

[spice spire]

knew that

just didn't know he went full optiic_jhonwei

[plain thistle]

ethical gamer that gets PI sometimes

[spice spire]

Ethical 100 is gaming

Short term memory here

[plain thistle]

it will probably go down in a couple days, when we get more guilds killing it pos nerf

its a lot faster, much better for parsing

[spice spire]

Still good job king

[slow marsh]

I don't raid until friday

All these painsmith kills are making me squirm and wish I raised sooner in the week

[oak sky]

kt down boys

fuck yeah

[slow marsh]

Grat

[spice spire]

What a w king

Glad you got it

[oak sky]

its eas

y

now

i also beat frozensoviet's parse from last patch

🙂

or before the reset anyway

[brazen zodiac]

just beat the remmmy

soulrender tomorrow

2 people got the neck and i couldnt get it feelsbadman

@balmy condor i had a dream that i was fighting painsmith irl. can u tell how excited i am

[spice spire]

Huge vita. Best of luck

[obtuse robin]

gz gl

[toxic quail]

CE has been achieved boys

i take my green parse with honor

but top boss dmg

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

don't be excited

painsmith bad

[brazen zodiac]

rem super fun too

@obtuse robin log review for rem parse when? ill bring u some advil for the headache u gonna get

[gloomy knoll]

grats

[obtuse robin]

[gusty mirage]

Boss dead. Don’t matter

[toxic quail]

exactly!

[bleak sky]

first kill -> sadge parse

then you PUMP

[brazen zodiac]

u RIGHT

[hollow river]

What made it faster?

[oak sky]

You dont hold now basically

So you just push the boss and time phylactery correctly and the boss dies

A lot quicker

[hollow river]

Thought he was talking about painer

Mr Gainsmith

Guess he meant Kt

Apparently a ton of guilds have been trying to move to A52 lately and dying in the process

Sad stuff

[rocky pecan]

what you mean?

[oak sky]

Is that true?

[hollow river]

?

Like guilds that have been bleeding people who transfer to try and recruit

I’ve heard of almost 10, 3 of which were from my tiny server

[oak sky]

Huh

Most small servers probably go illidan a52 tich or zuljin

[hollow river]

Yeah. Idk why they’re doing after transferring though

Im assuming not all their current members made the switch or something

[rocky pecan]

if the server is full may cauz this problem ? praying for them

[hollow river]

Nah you can transfer characters no matter what, might just have to wait in queue to log in sometimes as far as I know

[oak sky]

some people just dont want to pay

and the login qs are only on patch days and stuff like that in my experience

[rocky pecan]

some ppl tried or have done sylv mm with the new build mfd / obe ?

[hollow river]

Yeah I’ve personally never had an issue logging on A52 on one of my alts

[rocky pecan]

have see noone in log but well it's prolly to early

[oak sky]

i wouldve if my guild did pulls today

[hollow river]

I think there’s been a few people who have

[oak sky]

we killed kt then did a loot funnel on someones feral

[hollow river]

They just might not be on the top logs or could be private logged

[rocky pecan]

i saw youu log on kt agreon but you udid mfd dashing

[oak sky]

oh right

i dont have obe

[rocky pecan]

i looked by date

oh ok

[hollow river]

Ah

[oak sky]

well

i have it 235 anyway

i could try it monday

[rocky pecan]

it's prolly more cool with dashing with obe it's kinda slow

[oak sky]

idk if i have enough cinders this week

obe will do more damage though

probably

[rocky pecan]

simming +12 with obe vs dashing

isnt big

[oak sky]

hmmm

it kind of depends on how many casts of flag you gain

theres a decent chance you gain a bunch on sylv, which makes obe pretty appealing

[rocky pecan]

y probably true

[oak sky]

but honestly either leggo is probably good

definitely play mfd though

[rocky pecan]

i will make some puull tonight on sylv

with mfd obe

[oak sky]

mfd is for sure better

[rocky pecan]

y for sure

just obe idk feel so slow

[limber lion]

I haven't done any torghast after I got Dashing

Gotta get back to it again to get Obe

[oak sky]

lol cev

my guild did fatescribe heroic to help get someone gear

and i was gonna try to parse

but we ended up blowing up the adds

i was really gunning for it

[limber lion]

Yeh, most boosts just soak the add. Can't really parse.

[oak sky]

maybe ill try boosting soonish

🤷‍♂️

[final star]

yeah fatescribe won't parse unless you are light on healers in boost

or doing with guild and they don't wanna soak adds

I literally cannot parse sylvanas for the life of me

I feel like a fucking potato on that fight

[oak sky]

bro my guild tonight finished her off before lust

[final star]

my guild stopped lusting on pull now

[rocky pecan]

on hc ?

[oak sky]

yeah

[rocky pecan]

i have never saw a lust on puulll on sylv hc 😢

[oak sky]

we had like a full leather stack

really?

everyone used to lust on pull on sylv

[oak sky]

Anyone know if theres timings to watch out for with mfd on sylvanas?

I wanna be ready to blast when my guild starts prog

[rocky pecan]

Idk will try tonight

[potent dagger]

Obe kinda pull ahead as soon as there is cleave during the fight

[terse talon]

just crafted my 262 obe with haste/crit 😄 fuck the sub offspec.. but its kinda lulz having 3 different ST leggos for 1 spec

[pseudo hamlet]

What's the point? Wasn't Dashing the best?

[terse talon]

Trying it but it doesn't sim much higher from my dashing.. about +38 DPS but Im pretty low on haste (20%) and 44%crit) right now so I guess DPS will increase with more haste

[rocky pecan]

not sure personnaly that wont change crit enchant / gems for hast even with 16% hast

[terse talon]

sims still want me to have 16 crit in all slots but it does want me to change to more haste gear. FEX i just ditched the sylvanas ring for bloodoath signet

[pseudo hamlet]

What 3 legendaries you've got for ST? Dashing, Obedience and Doomblade?
I am just using Dashing and it's fine. 😄 I mean, I am also doing M+(Zoldyck) and PvP(Doomblade on the hands).

[balmy condor]

Doomblade on hands for pvp?

What a weird meta

[terse talon]

yeah started with DB, then Dashing and now Obi! Good thing DB can be scrapped for cinders next patch ^^

[rocky pecan]

dont scrap it

no more frost set 9.2

[terse talon]

yepp true

hopefully Obe is the one to go with though

[pseudo hamlet]

It's the only item without haste on it from the entire PvP leather gear I guess, that's the reason 😄

[rocky pecan]

take eyes hands ?

crit / vers ?

oh you want hast ok ok

[balmy condor]

Haste as well?

Man I’m so out of the loop

I thought sin pvp was still mastery big envenoms

[pseudo hamlet]

Haste/Vers it is 😛 though I liked the good ol' mastery in the previous expansions

[balmy condor]

Do dots do that much damage in pvp

[zinc frost]

All about that pressure and ms these days

[balmy condor]

Yeah I guess so

[glad siren]

so ... i just checked raidbots ... i'm simming Theo as 186dps higher than nadjia now...

[glossy jewel]

im considering crafting dashing scoundrel to use in raid. ill switch to necro soon and gear compare sims are showing lower dashing sims in all scenarios. any input on this? is dashing the prefered legendary for necro as well?

[balmy condor]

Happens yeah

[balmy condor]

Doomblade and dashing tend to be roughly equal for necro

[glossy jewel]

ah alright, guess ill keep my cinders then and stick to doomblade. thanks

[balmy condor]

Np

[glad siren]

does anyone do the life of the party thing? does it do anything worth it for raid?

[pseudo hamlet]

It does what it says it does... It increases happines in the ember court and that's all. 😄 Just use it if you're doing it, then just swap to the free-herb generator 😉

[rocky pecan]

free herb generator im missing something big here

[pseudo hamlet]

Seems like someone is not using the right Theo conduit.

[rocky pecan]

ah you umean this ok ok

and no i uuse nadj 😄

[pseudo hamlet]

I am using Nadjia for the raiding/ST and Theotar for M+/World content/Ember Court(!). Don't really want to waste time switching the conduits whenever I am doing different content 😄 it's much easier changing the soulbind in the rested area than coming back to the Sinfall

[rocky pecan]

take less time to farm gold and buuy herb than proc the "free generator" and have enouugh for craft xd

[pseudo hamlet]

Not really, because it's free passive thing.

[rocky pecan]

y i know

but it's random herb tho

it's good but not "that good" for even switch to theo for me

[pseudo hamlet]

It's just a bonus, not something you should actually try to make gold only from it.

[rocky pecan]

oh no i dont say about making gold with that

[pseudo hamlet]

I mean, considering the content that I am doing(Korthia dailies, PvP, M+ 4 times a week and raiding twice a week) it's giving me about 3-4 flasks(which is ~2,4k gold a week).

Of course it isn't high, but it's free... and it cost me ~3 seconds to change the conduits in the rested area. 😛

[rocky pecan]

yup i uunderstand your point sir 🙂

[lavish stag]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[celest ruin]

are we holding flag for every vendetta now with mfd or is my quick sim just wonky

[rocky pecan]

Mfd obe?

[celest ruin]

mfd dashing

[rocky pecan]

If you do à 5 min sim almost all time he delay flag

[celest ruin]

tried with both nadjia and theo, same result

[odd heath]

Apl holds flag if u won't lose a cast on the duration of the fight

If u quick sim multiple times, u will see different lengths of fight

4:30 5 5:30

And different placements of vendettas and flags

[celest ruin]

i just simmed 8mins and its till syncs flag and vendetta for some reason

digged up my old 5min quick sims and it does cast 4 flags within 5 mins, instead of the 3 now

apparently it only casts flag w/o vendetta at the very last minute if vendetta wont be up by then

[lavish grove]

Guys for Remnant do you 5 cp rupture the balls? Or just garrote and 1-2cp rupture?

[soft shale]

throw a low cp one and garrote if they will survive for 10+ secs or so

like if the boss is about to do the frontal not worth

[grand ridge]

tfw your winds procs on a ball with the damage reduction up

[burnt star]

U definitvly dont hold flag. Otherwise u miss a cast on a 5 min fight.
Flag at 0:00. 1:30. 3:00 and 4:30.
Vendetta at 0:00. 2:00 4:30

If u hold flag it will look like this. 0:00 2:00 4:00. So u miss a cast.

[mystic osprey]

When looking at logs how do I know if I’m maxing energy is? Is it under resources and hit points?

Or energy. 🤣

[wary copper]

Mfd better than vigor for ST venth or what is he tech?

[soft shale]

for most profiles yes you use mfd with flag and on the opener do the change that is pinned

[hollow river]

Pure ST is still bs/ds

[soft shale]

pure st is a dream

[hollow river]

Nah

[soft shale]

or wait guardian is that i guess

[hollow river]

Yep

I do a decent bit more dps by using bs/ds on guardian

But most other fights is mfd now depending on your set up

Should still sim it

[celest ruin]

thats what ive been doing but take a look at this

vigor 5min cast flag on cd (4 casts)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bKHu2r4bWrPfUi7vAZGiiT

mfd 5 min save flag every vendetta (3 casts)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pgZj1KsVBwvML6xgZgYRTt

[spice spire]

[rocky pecan]

I'm on phone what legendary used?

Prolly not obe I suppose it's dashing

[odd heath]

Bro

I said before

[odd heath]

Here

Fight ends at 4:30

[torpid girder]

Hey all , I’ve recent moved from fury over to assassination, and I’ve noticed that my parses are constantly grey , I don’t really know how to read the logs to see where I’m going wrong
This was last nights HC raid logs
Any help or advice is welcome

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gcFVf8HD9yTz4nwd/

[odd heath]

So it syncs all flags and vends

Cause u can only fit 3 of both

In 4:30

It's not because u put patchwerk 5 min that the sim length will be exactly 5 min

[real solar]

..

[rocky pecan]

And the thing in yellow at top is good to see tho

[odd heath]

@celest ruin

The first sim ends at 5:10

So, 4 flags and 3 vendettas

[lavish lichen]

yea fight lengths on raidbots are +/- 20% of whatever time you selected

that one fight you are looking at is 1 iteration

not all of them are 4:30

[celest ruin]

huh, TIL

yep, i kept simming until i got roughly 5mins and a few seconds and it does indeed cast flag on cd

[stray mural]

@torpid girder I’m not really sure how parsing works but did you eat a lot of avoidable damage

[torpid girder]

Nit that I can remember no , only boss where I fucked up was on the first as I got feared during the opener straight in to another fear so did no damage up to the first aoe phase

[plain thistle]

careful to not break stealth with trinket, you did in a couple fights

gear is not the best too, you have rank5 frost but with "low" crit

and low ilvl too

[buoyant fossil]

Wouldn't venth be running dashing frost too?

[torpid girder]

Yeah I know my gear is poor as I re rolled mid tier

[plain thistle]

not necessarily

doomblade is pretty close

[torpid girder]

Am working on getting dashing , I went soo blade as I know I don’t have the crit yet

Doom blade *

[plain thistle]

a couple mutilates at 4 combo point too, not many though

[torpid girder]

So just env at 4?

[fallen arch]

Poor daggers too

[plain thistle]

yes, every finisher for assa is max -1

[torpid girder]

Right

[plain thistle]

and for nadja dauntless duelist is better (for most fights) but you used triple potency

[lavish lichen]

Its ok to garrote at max -1 yea?

Thats the only one no?

[plain thistle]

you also did a vendetta without vanish, and later you vanished with just shiv <<<< guardian fight

[plain thistle]

yes if you need to refresh garrote (ie 5.4s or less remaining)

[torpid girder]

Gotta go back to work , thanks for the advice so far

[alpine garden]

If I craft a 262 obe and switch to MFD then its 120 dps increase

Doesn't feel worth it

[brazen zodiac]

Ngl after fuckin around with it for a raid it feels kinda nice

The instant eveonom feels gigaweird

tho

@plain thistle me next u smart beautiful soul

[hollow river]

And cleave is nice with mfd with resets

[brazen zodiac]

u so nice when reviewing logs. black just rips on my ass and throws me to the sharks

I'm guessing you def mfd the add in the nine right

[hollow river]

I’d assume yes

And the “mini bosses” ofc

[rocky pecan]

The mini boss?

[hollow river]

The two first bosses

[rocky pecan]

Oh OK

[hollow river]

What all doesn’t refund in this raid?
Orbs on Remnant
KT and KT’s remnant
maybe orbs on Sylvanas P2?

Am I forgetting anything?

[rocky pecan]

Orbs p2 sylv prolly reset since they died

No?

I see only nerzul and phylactery

[hollow river]

I’m not sure

[brazen zodiac]

tonights the night ladies and gents

we takin down painsmith

[spice spire]

Down it before whispyr

Show you’re the alpha

[vestal wren]

good luck

[plain thistle]

where?

[stray mural]

Is Painsmith the gatekeeper this tier

[plain thistle]

yes

once you kill painsmith you get to 8/10 or 9/10 pretty fast

[fallen arch]

Guildkiller

[plain thistle]

but re killing him is actually pretty easy

[stray mural]

I mean that’s with any boss you put a week or two into

I’m imagining this guy takes a month or something

[halcyon zealot]

we had a 2% PS wipe last night then didn’t make it back to p3 for 45 minutes 🙂

[stray mural]

Is that RNG or burnout

[halcyon zealot]

unga bunga brain

[plain thistle]

last week we had more problem re killing roh kalo and kt than painsmith

[stray mural]

I’ve never liked Fatescribe as an encounter

[plain thistle]

than we EVER did re killing painsmith actually

[brazen zodiac]

hm?

[plain thistle]

thought you meant a log or something

[brazen zodiac]

yes i did

was just confused what u were asking haha

[torpid girder]

All daggers seem to hate me lol , nothing dropping

[wraith mantle]

what is mfd?

[fleet atlas]

@wraith mantle marked for death

[wraith mantle]

oh

[slow marsh]

Whisp already did

[gusty mirage]

Imagine not knowing Whispyr killed pain already

[slow marsh]

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

I can't even compete with that.

[gusty mirage]

No need to compete. Just two homies sharing a hug

[slow marsh]

Well yeah but I wanna hug back but this is all I gots 🤗

[spice spire]

Simps smh

[brazen zodiac]

[gusty mirage]

[undone eagle]

hm regarding hidden artifact legion skins, its character based to begin with right? the other recolors are accountwide i suppose

because somehow i got it on my warr (dont remember how) but not on my rogue 😛

[ebon notch]

on our rekill

we got it to 0% 3 times in the first half hour

didnt kill it that day 🙂

[halcyon zealot]

yeah it’s great fun, love me some personal responsibility fights

[hollow river]

When was this

We actually had a couple issues with people soaking on the batteries of Guardian last night

We only got like ~40 minutes on the boss

Kinda weird tho

[north basin]

good thing about painsmith is what guardian go down in 10 pulls and u have trinket XD

so worth to suffer ps wipes xD

[hollow river]

I pray I get trinket tonight

I don’t even have heroic trinket

[north basin]

i traded hc trinket to some pug

and thought after that it was bad idea. coz 239 still lstronk

i have 2 252 other ttrinkets thou

[hollow river]

I’ve been using 252 ocular and 252 soulrender trinket

Feels bad

Debating on upgrading IQD to 246

[north basin]

i have 252 ocular and 252 shadowgrasp. and i realized shadowgrasp not so good with my kill timers. coz 2 minutes .

under 4min kills 239 guard trinket ownz!

and after that trade i didnt loot it even once since )

[hollow river]

Damn

[quasi scroll]

Is there a decent lego for all spec/content?

I have zoldyck & doomblade rn

Zold seems ok for most content but assassin only

[icy iron]

the Guardian trinket, u just click on CD right, No need to hold it or anything?

[shadow tusk]

send on cd

can save for hero if u wont miss a cast

[fleet atlas]

@quasi scroll closest is probably obedience but it's not very good for outlaw. It's good for everything on sub and sin tho

[quasi scroll]

obedience good for M+/aoe?

[inland hull]

For multiple specs, the only ones I could think of is covenant specific. Obedience for Venthyr, for example.

[quasi scroll]

ok

[fleet atlas]

Ya it's good for m+. Not necessarily bis but good

And in a lot of cases it is bis

I'm not a expert on obedience tho cause I'm a bone boy

[quasi scroll]

I rarely do torg on my rogue because it's so hard to solo so still walking around with a 235, but finally got cinders for a 262

[inland hull]

Yeah, and the FAQ section should address a lot of that. There's sims there for all specs and many lego/soulbind combos

[quasi scroll]

So just looking for something to get me through to 9.1.5 when I can recycle

[inland hull]

Obedience is a solid all-rounder for assassination and sub, for sure

[quasi scroll]

cool thanks

[hollow river]

Obedience isn’t bad for outlaw ST

Not the best for outlaw m+ tho for sure

[quasi scroll]

I can't get the hang of outlaw at all but also having assassin-specific legendaries probably didn't help

[hollow river]

Definitely didn’t help lol

[fleet atlas]

Are u pushing m+ or just trying to get ur weekly 15s? Cause I'm running doomblade which is definitely not the go to for m+ and still doing double the next pugs dps and timing. If u just want 15s ur set up honestly doesn't matter.

[quasi scroll]

mostly 15-17s

but partly because I'm not happy with the output

and yeah I'm running doomblade in M+ now

[hollow river]

Why wouldn’t you run Zoldycks

[cerulean nest]

does mfd work on nerzhul orbs?

[quasi scroll]

mostly bc it's 210

[hollow river]

Doesn’t reset CD no

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

[hollow river]

Don’t think that’s gonna make a big enough difference tbh but idk

[quasi scroll]

yeah probably

[fleet atlas]

@hollow river cause I'm lazy af and haven't set foot in torg. Since I made my first 262 lol. I do need to make a dashing scoundrel tho... and switch venth maybe..... so much work tho

[quasi scroll]

I guess the question is make a 262 obedience from scratch or upgrade 210 zoldyck to 262

though that might have to be remade too since it's feet

[hollow river]

Idk if I’d bother with Dashing unless you’re for sure going Venthyr

[slow marsh]

Dashing is good for Necro too...just takes a bit more to get there.

[inland hull]

If you're looking for something that you can switch specs and still use, then Obedience is your best option (for Venthyr)

[hollow river]

He already has Doomblade tho

[slow marsh]

Oh welp

[fleet atlas]

Ya it does Sim better for me not a ton but a bit

[slow marsh]

You're not gonna get one leggo for all specs btw

You can get one for two but not one for all three

[hollow river]

Idk man

I run obedience outlaw

[slow marsh]

Eek

Cursed

[hollow river]

NO

):

[slow marsh]

You can go obed for sin/sub or resounding for sub/outlaw but that's about it

[fleet atlas]

Ya remnant balls are a scam. Try being necro. No bone resets

[hollow river]

Imagine boning balls

He’s a ball boner

[fleet atlas]

Bro imagine not boning balls

Weirdchamp

[hollow river]

Not that bad tbh

AOE suffers a bit but ST skyrockets

[fleet atlas]

Just only run TOP and on tyrannical weeks. Easy

[slow marsh]

Weird, I haven't simmed it in a while but last I did it was pretty far behind

I guess if you are just running for keys it might be fine though

[hollow river]

Yeah it’s by no means good

I just use it for 15s-18s

Play sub in 4 and outlaw in 4

[slow marsh]

Yeah I just bit the bullet and crafted cele early on after my world first dashing

[hollow river]

I was gonna do cele next

But now this Obedience mfd tech

Idk

[slow marsh]

Yeah

Thankfully obed still doesn't sim higher for me

[hollow river]

I need to sim it tonight

I raid as sub sometimes too so I need to upgrade Obe anyway

Need 140 more cinders for r5 blood :/

[slow marsh]

I still want to craft a 262 to mess around with but I'm not in a hurry

[hollow river]

We should be on Fatescribe next week

Feel like sub might be the play there

[slow marsh]

It kind of is but kind of isn't I don't know

Sub is definitely for better for padding

[hollow river]

Kinda doubt ads will even live long enough to matter

[slow marsh]

But with sin you lose less running runes which personally I think is better for prog

Yeah that too. But as long as you can fit the tornado black powders then sub add pad is nice

[hollow river]

Ah the old downtime argument

How I’ve missed you so

[slow marsh]

I'm always about the downtime arguement

[hollow river]

I guess you lose a little CDR as sub but by the time runes are done small CDs are back anyway

[slow marsh]

If it wasn't for that I would be playing outlaw full time

[hollow river]

Idk I think that argument is pretty null and void

Everything suffers from downtime

[slow marsh]

Well yeah of course everything suffers but some suffer less than others

[hollow river]

I got 1 bomb on Guardian last night and was way behind our sub rogue

We’re usually both top dam at 10k

(On guardian)

Nah

[slow marsh]

What do you mean nah it is a fact

It might not be like 1K DPS worth but it's still something

[hollow river]

It’s really not though

[slow marsh]

Sin doesn't lose anything except pure damage during downtime due to not being able to envenom. Outlaw and sub both lose cooldown reduction on their biggest cooldowns on top of damage

So while yeah sure it might not be that much to make a significant difference they're definitely is still a difference

[runic maple]

did the CT target cap change affect our playstyle in any way?

[hollow river]

Hasn’t changed yet

[slow marsh]

Well it hasn't happened yet so who knows

[runic maple]

oh lol

[hollow river]

And alacrity, more damage into winds, etc etc etc

The CFs have said in the past the downtime argument makes no sense

But we can just agree to disagree 🙃

[slow marsh]

i mean sims don't lie imo but yeah we can agree to disagree for sure

I would agree that when choosing what spec to play in general based off of downtime argument doesn't make sense. But choosing what spec to play for a prog fight it would make sense.

Just reran sims to back it up, sin patchwerk is 11k even, heavy move is 9.5 / outlaw patchwerk is 11.1, heavy move is 9.2k

Obviously not an exact copy paste of downtime in specific fights but a solid example of how downtime affects specs different nonetheless

[fleet atlas]

Ya but if you were a bone boy u can just pretend ur ranged and shoot spikes at ads as you move the rune

[slow marsh]

True Necro is better for downtime

[fleet atlas]

I'm just over here trying to convince myself I shouldn't switch venth

[slow marsh]

You do you

Necro is fine

[fleet atlas]

Ya but I'm top st in my raid and the venth rogue is catching up to me.... can't give up my epeen....

[slow marsh]

Pad on adds harder

[burnt star]

Bit out of play. But when u reach painsmith mythic. Mfd reset on all of his balls. Even the one that breaks on their own and in the intermission

[fleet atlas]

@burnt star ya he was asking about nerzul tho... which is a scam

[burnt star]

I know. Its Why i wrote the way i did

Its kinda dumb they dont reset on remnant. My guess is the ball dont really "die"

[slow marsh]

they don't, they live forever in purgatory

[fleet atlas]

Ya it would be really nice of they reset bone spikes

[rocky pecan]

Y they become passive so

[plain thistle]

they are deep inside whoever took it to throw off the edge

[burnt star]

Plot twist. We are gonna destroy them with the jailer in 9.2

[gusty mirage]

Don’t switch. Play what you like. Even if the other dude catches up to you. Be who you truly are on the inside. And that’s a boner

[drowsy parcel]

bone gang

only switch if you have a pocket kyrian druid

[fleet atlas]

I have been posting kindred affinity propaganda in my guild disc and if one of the druids takes the bait then obv I would have to switch then. I don't think they will tho

We don't have a fire mage so it would probably go to me... given I switch

[halcyon zealot]

i’ve been doing the same thing maz, they’re blinded by the venthyr

[strange python]

guys is it more worth get x2 sylv daggers 1 246ilvl and 1 233 or the 246 and 1 dagger from mythic?

[stray mural]

The sylv dagger isn’t that amazing iirc it’s appreciated but I don’t think you want two? Somebody correct me if I’m blatantly wrong

[shadow tusk]

anyone that can give me a MfD WA or do i need to scrape a package :3

[fleet atlas]

No hard fast rule. Just gotta Sim it given ur gear at the time. I've seen ppl Sim a bit better with a 252 main and a 246 sylv main. Personally I Sim better with 252

But that doesn't matter cause I've never seen a sylv dagger in my life

[strange python]

idk i feel my dps drop a bit with double sylv daggers

[fleet atlas]

It's a lie

[shy dust]

You ofc want two depending on live

Ilvl*

Two M is bis

[fleet atlas]

Ya It's probably unlikely ur better off with the 233 over a 252

[shy dust]

I mean I’m off hand

It will most likely beat out M weapons even at H

[fleet atlas]

Ya

But he has a 246 for offhand and can use a 252 main

Meanwhile I've never seen the dagger and my raid has 3 rogues

[grand ridge]

Two sylv daggers looks much cooler

[fleet atlas]

I'm trying to convince my raid leader to not put me in mythic reclear just our prog so I can fill my vault with all heroic for the dagger

[grand ridge]

Is the dagger like super rare?

[gusty mirage]

The sylv dagger?

[grand ridge]

Like single digit percent rare?

[soft shale]

we dont talk about those

[bleak sky]

Only rogues can drop it and you don't see many rogues in a raid

[gentle jewel]

I haven’t seen it 😢😢😢

[bleak sky]

so it's kinda rare yeah

[gusty mirage]

I used up all my luck on normal got it on my only normal kill

[grand ridge]

I got one so I guess I was lucky?

[slow marsh]

.2%

[grand ridge]

Whaaaat

[gusty mirage]

Killed her 7 times on heroic and nothing

[soft shale]

i do normal and hc every week and soon M

still only have 1

[bleak sky]

same, using 252/233 feelsbadman

[gentle jewel]

They might as well make it legendary at this point

[gusty mirage]

Maybe if I get CE it’ll drop

[soft shale]

times like these you really miss coins

aaaaaa

[bleak sky]

I'm just amazed that a 233 oh sylv is better than a 246 oh regular dagger

[fleet atlas]

There is a hidden mechanic that it only drops for ppl on rogue alts not rogue mains

[soft shale]

that too

[gusty mirage]

Soon it’ll drop

[soft shale]

you see so many scuffed rogues getting it

[bleak sky]

soon for sure

rogue guildmate dropped H sylv dagger and I died inside

nothing can hurt me anymore

[fleet atlas]

Idk if one of the other rogues got it and not me if I'd feel worse or better... I wanna say I'd be happy for them but.....

Don't know tho cause it doesn't drop for any of us

[slow marsh]

someone comes in here every now and then and flexes their sim with 2 mythic daggies and then i look at their parses........

[grand ridge]

There is no way it's .2%

It's probably like under 10%

Which is still rare

[slow marsh]

it's .2

look it

up

[soft shale]

the thing is there are 2 layers of rng

you have to get loot

[lavish lichen]

Procs are strong in off hand

[soft shale]

then it has to be the dagger

not the cursed belt i seem to get

every fkn

[grand ridge]

Reminds me of benthic gear

Those stupid little procs add up

[lavish lichen]

Been tryibg to run at least normal

No groups

[fleet atlas]

This is anecdotal and therefore useless evidence but my guild has over 50 chances between our 3 rogues and no daggers

[grand ridge]

Except it's not terrible

[lavish lichen]

Everyone on D2

[gentle jewel]

I thought about playing d2 and making a javelin barb 😢. But for now I’m on wow

[ebon notch]

That's how I felt when @soft shale got it

I only need one and he needs 2

[fleet atlas]

Every week I buy a enchant for my new dagger that Is sure to drop and then when it doesn't I destroy the enchant in a fit of rage

[gentle jewel]

Me when I use a dollar on a lotto ticket 🤣🤣

[buoyant fossil]

Should I just go for r5 frost shards even if my gear doesn't have enough crit to out DPS r5 unholy yet? Sitting on a ton of embers :/

[zinc frost]

Yes, crit is a lot of easy to come by than 150 embers

[buoyant fossil]

Maybe if I actually ran m+ :c primarily raiding means both my loot and embers are weekly capped.

[zinc frost]

Even if your crit is on the low side and somehow both sim close together, the frost defensives/healing are too good to pass up for prog

[slow marsh]

If only there was a lot of nice crit haste gear in raid

oh wait

[spark scaffold]

what are the best sites to simm items and builds?

on raidbots the domination socket set bonuses don't seem to work properly

[pure moth]

Raidbots.com

[spark scaffold]

yeah, using that it doesn't show any difference in dps between lets say a rank 3 and a rank 5 set bonus

[charred wraith]

tick the "replace existing gems/shards and enchants" box

[balmy condor]

^

Raidbots is also the only acceptable site

[vital tapir]

@gusty mirage

[spark scaffold]

is it possible there's only 50 dps increase from rank 4 to rank 5? because that's what it shows me

[balmy condor]

Seems pretty low

[zinc frost]

Are all 3 gems selected as r5?

[balmy condor]

Usually closer to 200-300ish

[spark scaffold]

yep

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hTowsM6dHkjNzxx4v76dTM this is the report

i have rank 4 unholy normally, selected all the r5 unholy runes and the r5 frost runes

[ebon notch]

bro you have

27% crit

[limber lion]

no chaos brand

[ebon notch]

its broken bro he wants to be ethical

no externals

[limber lion]

no dashing scoundrel either

yuk

[ebon notch]

also broken

[spark scaffold]

doomblade is fine for necro

ik i have low crit, my gear is mostly from m+ outlaw

[balmy condor]

You didn’t sim a bek

Just looking on mobile

[limber lion]

I'll resim

[limber lion]

dashing is better for frost...

a lot of things why frost is so low for you

[ebon notch]

oh he only has 4 dom sockets

[zinc frost]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7ezocLnR54JJns4xx35Wdp

[hollow river]

Doomblade is usually equal to dashing for Necro is it not?

[limber lion]

Depends on the profile.

[hollow river]

Ye

[bleak sky]

this gear has a lot of potential

[balmy condor]

Compared to gear that doesn’t have a lot of potential

[bleak sky]

sorry whispyr my brain is off today :sadge:

[hollow river]

You guys kill pain/guardian?

[balmy condor]

We killed pain but we’re apeing on guardian

[oak sky]

oh

did you shave

[hollow river]

Same

Well we pulled it like 10 times last night after killing pain

A few people didn’t charge the battery correctly

[oak sky]

my guild is worse on reclear than prog

[hollow river]

Dies tonight ez

[oak sky]

we extended because fate took us so much extra raid time to redo

[hollow river]

Mine hasn’t decided if we extend or not

[oak sky]

and our first guardian reclear took longer than our prog

[hollow river]

Lmao

People get too cocky

Oh we killed this in 15 pulls our first time? Let’s just be apes and think of nothing but the PaRsE

[balmy condor]

I did

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

nah it wasnt even a parse thing

[vital tapir]

[oak sky]

it was just people playing bad and new people getting put in

[hollow river]

We took our new baby ww to our full reclear this week (5/10) and recleared faster than ever

Ww is like 230 max and gets one shot a lot lol

[hollow river]

Ahhh

[oak sky]

i was gone that day

[hollow river]

Lucky

[oak sky]

i mean idk

[hollow river]

I feel like getting pain on farm is gonna be ass

[oak sky]

if i was in for any player that hadn't done the boss it might have been quicker

[hollow river]

True

[oak sky]

pain farm was rough too

[hollow river]

I got taken off the eye this week

[oak sky]

i actually only got to do 1 week of pain farm

[hollow river]

And I don’t have the gloves :/

[oak sky]

yeah

i don't either and ive killed it a good 4 or so times

[hollow river]

Ive killed it like 7-8

[oak sky]

yeah

i missed prog

[violet jackal]

Someone help a homie out and invite me to a reclear

[oak sky]

my old guild was far behind

[hollow river]

Heroic?

[violet jackal]

Mythic

[hollow river]

Oh i would if I could

We have a decent roster

[oak sky]

are you NA?

not that it matters

[hollow river]

Yea he is

[oak sky]

my guild is extending

[violet jackal]

I’m like 25 applications in and no responses besides people telling me your parses look amazing

[violet jackal]

Yes

[hollow river]

He’s on the same server as me

[oak sky]

oh gotcha

[hollow river]

🙃

[hollow river]

That’s weird

Have you noticed how many guilds from Arthas have died

[violet jackal]

Anime thighs moved to illdian I saw

[hollow river]

Adelante transferred and died

[oak sky]

are you not applying off server?

[hollow river]

Anime thighs transferred

[violet jackal]

I apply for Arthur’s and Illidan mainly, more so on illidan. And one guild on kil jaedan

[oak sky]

gotcha

it was hard for me to find guilds with decent times for me