nah cause early on in prog it was necessary because the average ilvl was just lower
#assassination
ebon notch
and you needed damage on arrows
and cleaving the adds in p2 wasnt bad because it was still tight
now none of those things are an issue
echo cargo
New NF stonks on PTR?
balmy condor
New NF stonks on PTR?
echo cargo
Mb babe. I wish pins were emphasized on mobile
dense hamlet
reef axle
no leech or speed or anything but i guess will do
brazen zodiac
pog
wide ridge
stiff mural
Question: Can you shadowstep eye of the jailor at all? Will you get gibbed by the beam or no?
wheat lance
Thanks for the heads up. That's what I've been using for 90% of our attempts so far. Any value in trying out EP/MfD/PB with Obedience for Sylv?
balmy condor
Question: Can you shadowstep eye of the jailor at all? Will you get gibbed by th...
it'll put you slightly off to the left
once you step once or twice it's pretty easy to feel it
ebon notch
Thanks for the heads up. That's what I've been using for 90% of our attempts so ...
i tried obed mfd but it was too much of a playstyle shift to adapt to mid prog
ep/mfd was good though
really enjoyed it
lots to reset off of
limpid willow
Hey guys,outlaw here having a bit of fun. I read the pins and checked the ravenholdt guide. Looks like Emeni isnt a bad choice if I already have Bonesmith set for my main outlaw spec. Is this correct?
limpid willow
Im also lazy, but thats a fair point
slow marsh
Hey guys do you think the changes to septic shock conduit and leggo will add 1k dps so we can live the NF dream????? @balmy condor
balmy condor
I hate this
slow marsh
Just think, we could get 5% uptime on shadow blades AND vendetta.
And if we magically lined everything up with shiv vanish and vendetta we can do a lot of damage for 10 seconds similar to how venthyr boomkins can ramp!!
hollow river
lmfao
bleak sky
Are any of you lusting on pull on nerzhul rekills?
strange python
We are
bleak sky
I've been trying to convince RL to just lust on pull and cut the kill timer by 30-40sec
but god it's hard 
drifting cloud
40sec? you might be overestimating how much it would cut it by 😛
we kill it 4:15~ ish with lust on 3min
it would be faster but doubt by more than 20s
oh thats also 5 heal even
bleak sky
gz gz
strange python
our kills are like 4:40 ish with lust on 3
We lusted at 30% last week and it was 3:34. We lusted on pull this week and it was 3:32
Granted our venth Boomie changed to feral
It saves maybe 10 sec? Just good for parses because you can line up with all CDs on pull
bleak sky
how is our dps so bad 
drifting cloud
I see a 2 there jhonwei
plain thistle
drifting cloud
plain thistle
sorry, I cheated a little
spice spire
representing the mdf gang <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
2 buffs
Application for mfd gang denied
plain thistle
we had like 4 priests, leave me alone 
plain thistle
we have a free for all policy when doing re clears, who ever asks first gets PI 🙂
spice spire
we have a free for all policy when doing re clears, who ever asks first gets PI ...
SO YOU’RE ASKING?!
dense hamlet
plain thistle
thats why I get pre pull PI
ebon notch
and if i got it i would outdps him
spice spire
Oh no Jhon
ebon notch
SO YOU’RE ASKING?!
he just opens trade and puts an amount of gold in
and he just happens to get PI when he presses the macro
plain thistle
the first one I actually didnt, he gave to me and I asked for the second
I usually leave the first one to boonkins and ask for the second
drowsy parcel
the biggest external doesnt even show on wcl
ebon notch
kyrian kindred spirits?
drowsy parcel
kindred spirits gamers are gonna sneakily rise up
ebon notch
im trying to convince my raid leader go to kyrian for reclear
but he wont simp for me
slim jay
with dashing do we hold flag for vendetta every time?
brazen zodiac
i cant find a good sylv pug :(
ebon notch
with dashing do we hold flag for vendetta every time?
no you send on cd
unless you are 100% sure you will only get one more cast off then you sync
strange python
Errrr
spare flame
how do yall cooldown on M fatescribe? Beginning of each P1 and thats it? Or can you dump on big adds ever
ebon notch
you can flag big adds in 1st intermission
spare flame
so its a safe offsync flag fight
drifting cloud
depends how you do p3 I guess
ebon notch
you should just send
spare flame
were gonna burn p3
drifting cloud
if you go for kill before rings or do 1 rings
wispy leaf
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
spare flame
tyty
arctic hare
I got 6/10
hollow river
gratz yo
arctic hare
AND, as a bonus, progged Guardian down to 15.4%
hollow river
sick
ebon notch
with your guild or
arctic hare
With my new guild, yes
arctic hare
heh, I congratulate you for your great pun
ebon notch
50 or smth
drifting cloud
ebon notch
i just went on there to check
hollow river
i hope in the next two weeks we'll be at sylv
ebon notch
but it doesns how unless you put a log in
hollow river
huh
ebon notch
im blind
hollow river
i see
ebon notch
so yeah 50 pulls isnt off
hollow river
I guess I got lucky on one pull tonight
I got 28 flag stacks no mfd no lust on pull
dawn ivy
i just cant stand the feeling of obedience on sin
that paired with the akward feeling of mfd
gusty mirage
ngl I played around with it w/ dashing
and it felt okay but awkward
trying to snipe resets on the nine made my brain turn into mush
and I went back to ep/vigor
ebon notch
obed is a bit much for me
going to need a bit more haste
but mfd dashing
feels fine
glass tulip
another week another no heroic dagger drop
glass tulip
what is mfd?
gusty mirage
marked for death
drifting cloud
@balmy condor gzgz
balmy condor
ty
dawn ivy
my rl wont unlock our parses for tonight because people played shit
me and rogue got rank 1 on KT
bleak sky
I got 28 flag stacks no mfd no lust on pull
you can get it always I feel like
feelsgoodman
ebon notch
my rl wont unlock our parses for tonight because people played shit
thats why you also log
bleak sky
a bit starved on pull I think but it's fine afterwards
wet dagger
You guys empower lashing scars or toxic blade?
brazen zodiac
strange python
Hmmm so they redesigned Toxic Onslaught for NF, wonder if it helps them out
balmy condor
Hmmm so they redesigned Toxic Onslaught for NF, wonder if it helps them out
pins
strange python
oh i missed it xD, thanks
brazen zodiac
Hmmm so they redesigned Toxic Onslaught for NF, wonder if it helps them out
in ur wildest kinkiest dreams bro
strange python
lol
hollow river
you can get it always I feel like
I meant without mfd. just regular ep-vig.
I have to run some sims for my set up before I run mfd
fallen arch
May the vaults be kind to my EU brethren this morning 
cosmic sandal
Should i just finish upgrading my frost shards to rank 5 or do i start leveling my blood shards to rank 4/5 now so when i eventually get sylv daggers and switch into sub i can play that? i have my frost and unholy shards rank 4 atm
playing sin 95% of the time atm so im wondering if i just finish my frost shards
balmy condor
Finish something
balmy condor
I like theo
hollow river
Running tubbins n grubbins?
brazen zodiac
idk
hollow river
The umbrella one
You gotta stand in the shade to benefit from the proc
That one tilts me sometimes
hollow river
Idk I’ve only run Theo for sub
hollow river
Last time I checked it was basically dps neutral for me/a slight loss compared to Nadjia
I haven’t optimized my set up for mfd yet so idk what that’s gonna look like
cosmic sandal
theo as sin?
fast nacelle
It's 40 DPS for me
lean coral
Played Theo on sylv tonight
Loving mfd but I'm still using dashing
5 dps diff for me
cosmic sandal
whats the new MFD build?
cosmic sandal
aight ill try it
ebon thorn
sending sylvanas dagger prayers to u all
fathom flax
Did something change to make MFD better or is it just as we ahve become more geared its popped up
cosmic sandal
how do you use it differently?
gloomy knoll
you use it in your flag window instead of for snd prepull
cosmic sandal
ahhh roger
cosmic sandal
cheers
fallen arch
Or you stay necro and ignore that bs
And fall behind further a little more every change
deft obsidian
Free......
quaint carbon
do i wanna seem totem vs iqd as patchwerk or maybe something different since raid bosses have always few adds ?
dry shoal
did the 100% quest with dailys and dungs last week to rejoin venth
and now im not finding the next venth quest
Can anyone help?
balmy condor
jovial spear
Hey guys, currently running unholy shards with doomblade leggo, having some issues trying to sim swapping to frost and Dashing? Can anyone give me some pointers? Im adding the Dashing leggo using top gear, and then picking the frost shards + the 2 DPS shards from unholy and blood. But it is simming lower than Doomblade + unholy.
Thinking it might have to do with not being fully upgraded on frost yet?
Or is Frost just better when you start mythic prog? Currently not that geared.
cosmic sandal
Hey guys, currently running unholy shards with doomblade leggo, having some issu...
Most likely low level frost shards
oak sky
could be low level frost shards, low ilvl, or low crit
the easy fix is to get as much crit gear as you can until it sims higher
jovial spear
kk, so ill just keep using unholy shards + doomblade until it sims higher then. Do you have any indication on how much crit is needed? Think im at roughly 35% atm
oak sky
it kinda depends on your overall build
if your frost shards are low level that should probably be the main thing you focus on
frost should be better before you hit 40% crit but it really could be any amount
jovial spear
kk, ill just keep upgrading them and keep simming 🙂 Thanks for the feedback!
oak sky
np
reef ginkgo
can sub gear transition to sin fine in terms of weights? tempted to try it out for a couple of bosses
zinc frost
Yeah it can, I usually just swap in some crit/haste rings and it’s good to go
oak sky
You you basically want more haste and probably a similar amount of crit
Keep in mind that frost set is better tho
reef ginkgo
aye i guess that would be my issue, as im blood set. i got like 40% crit but only about 5% haste 😂 (i probs have some items in my bag though i could swap out etc)
oak sky
Could be good to top gear your stuff but that might be a lot of combinations lol
reef ginkgo
yeah true I am one of them hoarders of loot ive recieved 😂
wheat whale
do you guys ever delay shiv for not overcapping combo points or do you just give a shit and always use it on CD?
pallid panther
if running the frost set bonus... is it shard of dyz > shard of zed for a UH slot ?
woeful wigeon
is better to have 2x edge of night 246 or only 1 if you dont have 252 weapens
jaunty kayak
if u dont have a 252 for main hand.. ofc use double 246 edges.. double dmg.. or just sim and you can see for yourself
mossy crown
what kind of numbers are people simming with dungeon slice?
mossy crown
oh well I'll not be that bothered then
dim estuary
oof this chest ❤️
dim estuary
wen fial
wheat whale
oof this chest ❤️
Is this a viable thing?
thorny pond
Decanter is fine, good for m+
knotty heron
Thoughts on the new sepsis lego for 9.15
?? Will it be enough for a swap?
Theres a pin already?!
Well shit
cosmic sandal
i should be lining up my fleg with vend and vanish yeah
or am i using vend off cd with the mfd build
spice spire
i should be lining up my fleg with vend and vanish yeah
Line up as long as you don’t miss a cast
Rules don’t change
spice spire
No worries 
finite yarrow
Is necro bugged again or can bonespike just miss? I cast a few times and get no cp
charred wraith
deflect (parry)
finite yarrow
Gotcha
brazen zodiac
Is necro bugged again or can bonespike just miss? I cast a few times and get no ...
idk but there will be times where i mutilate out of stealth and i get 0 combo points so
uneven summit
so is Obedience MFD the new go to, or just a variation able to play
rocky pecan
sim it ,
uneven summit
wasen´t exactly my question though wether or not it´s best for my character :p
harsh lantern
I played it with dashing last night in heroic it was pretty good
odd heath
so is Obedience MFD the new go to, or just a variation able to play
It's a variation
I played dashing mfd yesterday and it felt good
But with obe it feels really slow, even simming higher
uneven summit
i guess it´s the same as BS/DP still feels really slow for me at least
odd heath
Yes.. you can really feel it in the opener, specially without lust on pull
But getting 28+ flag stacks is easier then
hollow river
Is necro bugged again or can bonespike just miss? I cast a few times and get no ...
Try to be behind the boss. SBS can parry just like anything else
brazen zodiac
Try to be behind the boss. SBS can parry just like anything else
PFFFT ok thanks
burnt star
Iirc. U can only use those 4 profile set in advanced sim
burnt star
Are u in advanced sim?
brazen zodiac
ye
vestal wren
he wasn't in advanced sim
advanced sim has this header
the other ones have this one:
signal cosmos
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5E7MdV4rAP5C8mJkG6nhHm is this weird? or normal now
vestal wren
the venthyr mfd optimizations are pushed, so not weird
signal cosmos
ok cool
exotic rose
so mfd doesnt need obedience? interesting
brazen zodiac
@vestal wren shhhhhhhhhhhh i was so close
8 am simming and coping over loss of sylv dagger
its hard out here
vestal wren
haha, all fine
brazen zodiac
cant lose what u never had tho
vestal wren
what stat did came out ahead for you?
brazen zodiac
:(((
dude
oh ur a therocrafter
may u read my question cause im actually havin an issue with that
theo
trying to figure out if soothing is 100% uptime in sims
shy dust
It is
brazen zodiac
lmfao ur pfp
made me smile so ahrd
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6YyzVUaWPeeXqpxaxyjcj it just goes lower and lower with every sim
nadja queen u hurtin me rn
wanton creek
We use mfd now? What?
brazen zodiac
pins
vestal wren
yes, its actually good, explenation is in the pins
wanton creek
Where’s the pins
plain thistle
it wasnt super bad before optimization either 
vestal wren
crit is probably expected to be ahead, just like on subtlety versa
brazen zodiac
lmk if ur on mobile i mean* cause i dont think its the same vs pc
wanton creek
I don’t like using it as well🥲🥲🥲
brazen zodiac
im startin to get a feel for it
vestal wren
about soothing, the sim assumes you stand 100% of its uptime in it whats not super unrealistic
brazen zodiac
idk i feel like i rarely ever get to stand in it on most fights
like on the eye when it procs on add, or on the nine when it procs when ur about to move
or on guardian
sylv when she jumps
maybe im coping idk
lavish lichen
Can you change the uptime if it?
brazen zodiac
thats what i asked
lavish lichen
Ahh
pure moth
so mfd doesnt need obedience? interesting
Ive simmed both nadja and theo, doom, obed and dashing and mfd isnt simming better for me atm.
vestal wren
you can always check:
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ExpansionOptions
it should have all the specific options listed, if its not on the list its a bit more complex
lavish lichen
Cool tyvm
slim pebble
Ive simmed both nadja and theo, doom, obed and dashing and mfd isnt simming bett...
Maybe you just need to git Gud
lavish stag
Edge literally stopped being an upgrade
still feel like trash for not having it tho
brazen zodiac
i think its super weird ur dps is 10.4 with that gear
pure moth
Maybe you just need to git Gud
😂
austere steppe
MfD and Theo is simming better for me but the difference between theo/nad is like 15-20 dps with dashing being my top Lego
What would guys recommend for sylvanas mythic when i am being put on pure ST role (not touching arrows/adds in p1 etc) between MfD/Vigor and Nad/Theo?
I believe the theo sims are with the food being 3% agi right?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uoNPUehRspK3WQYsoE31Yy
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jY5i9oF6fRaJHSqYRdpCXS
thats my current sims for both nad/theo
lavish stag
i think its super weird ur dps is 10.4 with that gear
probably because i'm undead , necrolord and i don't sim with windfury for no reason
brazen zodiac
that would do it
idk i used to sim without it but now im in the cool kids group so i get to hit that checkmark pog
ebon thorn
yo question
on the eye is there an addon or WA that shows when its safe to shadowstep
cuz i feel
its very rng
sometimes i shadowstep in place, sometimes to the side
twin bay
hm i always land on the same spot
brazen zodiac
i mean
plain thistle
sometimes i shadowstep in place, sometimes to the side
its always on the left side
brazen zodiac
i honestly shadowstep like 2 seconds before the lasers about to hit me
u can literally never go wrong with that
if u move down towards where the hook would be at least
lavish lichen
Its not rng at all its the same spot everytime
At rhe start of the fight
Shadowstep
And you’ll see where it puts you
The laser is much bigger than it looks
brazen zodiac
i go there every time yeah
lavish lichen
Yes
brazen zodiac
also how the fuck did you get that picture LFMAO
brazen zodiac
LMFAO
lavish lichen
I cloak the first of each phase
As outlaw
It allows me to never get off the add OR boss
Not too much of a concern for assa since you dot snd have sometime
brazen zodiac
idk cloak seems p important for mythic
lavish lichen
For what?
brazen zodiac
mythic eye?
plain thistle
It allows me to never get off the add OR boss
you can keep hitting the boss and shadowstep when its safe
plain thistle
but yeah, cloak doesnt have a lot of uses on that fight anyway
lavish lichen
10 stacks of the devuff
plain thistle
but its "oh shit" button for whatever
lavish lichen
Means your people sre afk idk
brazen zodiac
uh idk about that but
lavish lichen
I didnt hit 10 stacks not even the first week
brazen zodiac
sure
lavish lichen
But sure if you are doing that you can
brazen zodiac
8-10 idk i never look cause i just cloak them
lavish lichen
Our strat is just safer than that I guess
brazen zodiac
i never need to cloak for the laser cause i just shadowstep
lavish lichen
Then go kill the ither
brazen zodiac
ah yeah
mine does the whole just eat it an dpray
maybe my new guild does it like that tho
lavish lichen
Felt more consistent for us
But yea it was mostly something I do ss outlaw, just brought it up bc it seemed like they were messing it up
But maybe misunderstood
buoyant fossil
Can you save cloak for a possible solo soak of the chain? I haven't tried it but I do know it doesn't apply the pull if you cloak it while soaking.
rocky pecan
We split on eyes and don't change but for progrès we split and change at 5 stack
subtle gyro
I finally got a 99 parse last night...on heroic Painsmith : ) Thanks for all those who answered questions.
rocky pecan
Gj dude
cosmic sandal
on bosses like kt/ soulrender, FS; should i be sniping adds with MFD or is it not that big of a deal.
stray mural
Kinda just wanna say thank you to this discord for teaching me the finer points. I’m now a part of a mythic guild and I can say my Assa gameplay has dramatically improved. Y’all are based and Shiv-pilled.
odd heath
on bosses like kt/ soulrender, FS; should i be sniping adds with MFD or is it no...
Always snipe. 5 cp for free is giga
hollow river
MfD and Theo is simming better for me but the difference between theo/nad is lik...
The Theo food is simmed as an average of every buff possible
austere steppe
ah ok
hollow river
There’s also a string you can use to sim each individual buff I’m pretty sure
Check #subtlety-faq if interested
hollow river
Damn. No mythic bosses?
ebon notch
sylvanas extend
ebon notch
we have a decent chance of killing her this week
but 100% next
we only raid 2 days though
ebon notch
hell yeah
hollow river
Should at the very least get some good prog in on Fate tomorrow I hope
shadow tusk
Guardian fate and kt is a Nice break from painsmith
hollow river
Guardian fate and kt is a Nice break from painsmith
Yeah I can’t wait. I just hope that if we don’t extend we can get Pain on farm quickly
rocky pecan
So kt then sylv
shadow tusk
We did 2-3 reclears then extend on kt
ebon notch
We did 2-3 reclears then extend on kt
we extended after 2nd painsmith lmao
hollow river
I see
rocky pecan
We extended after second paint tho
shadow tusk
Yeah 2 day guilds usually extend earlier tho
hollow river
I’d like to gear more but I’d like CE the most
ebon notch
we saw just how much people were struggling
rocky pecan
Just cauz we where on fates and don't wanted extend him
hollow river
We raid 3 nights 9 hrs
ebon notch
nah dude
hollow river
Ye
ebon notch
they day raid
rocky pecan
I was like wat 9h x3 xd
rocky pecan
I admit that would be strange but can happen
shadow tusk
spark scaffold
are the set bonuses on raidbots bugged?
because it shows that unholy has higher dps than frost for me
at around 30% crit
ebon notch
if you dont have enough crit, unholy will gain value
rocky pecan
What rank is your frosy
gleaming compass
can sylvannas and kt loot drop from the weekly timewalking chest?
shadow tusk
Whats ur set lvl
ebon notch
40%+
rocky pecan
40%+
ebon notch
rank 5 wants more crit than what you have rn
shadow tusk
Probably go for 37-38% at r5
spark scaffold
i see, so until i get more crit unholy has better value
shadow tusk
Also do u sim dashing or doomblade
spark scaffold
i simmed both
shadow tusk
Are u necro?
spark scaffold
yep
rocky pecan
Well necro is doom all the way no?
halcyon zealot
can sylvannas and kt loot drop from the weekly timewalking chest?
if you’ve killed them before, yes
grand ridge
I think you need to kill them that week yes?
halcyon zealot
I think you need to kill them that week yes?
no
spark scaffold
i am necro for outlaw m+
grand ridge
oh well thats good to know ty
spice spire
Well necro is doom all the way no?
No eventually dashing is better
rocky pecan
Even as necro you will need 40% crit
spice spire
It’s not just crit that defines; frost set r4 bounced above r5 unholy at about 38
spark scaffold
So it's better to finish my r5 unholy set until i get more crit
From future vaults or item drops
rocky pecan
Hum
In long terme you will play frost so
Better upgrade frost or to just keep ember
spark scaffold
Yeah but it will take a long time to get crit gear since I am valor capped and I'm not mythic raiding
spice spire
No
rocky pecan
That can be fast
spice spire
I’d recommend going frost immediately
final star
It’s not just crit that defines; frost set r4 bounced above r5 unholy at about 3...
It's agi and crit, more so agi
ebon notch
you dont realise how long it will take to upgrade unholy and then frost to rank 5
final star
agi affecting your upper limit of crits meaning you hit the cap of damage that it can keep back for winds of winter
spice spire
I regret not going frost first
rocky pecan
Also you have shoulder from raid or legs orome?
final star
makes sense 
rocky pecan
You clean hc all week?
spark scaffold
Yes
rocky pecan
OK so let's hope you grab some crit loot but like said makeitquake go for frosy
In 1 week you can easily grab that 10% with some luck or in 2 weeks
rocky pecan
Ahaha
rocky pecan
Demn
spark scaffold
I can also upgrade this, only have enough valor to upgrade 1 item
rocky pecan
Replacing wat?
If you don't have farm some plague fall and try get ring there for upgrade
spark scaffold
replacing this, also my main interest is m+ so my valor is spent for outlaw gear
rocky pecan
Oh y OK
spark scaffold
Yeah and some on the new legendary aswell
rocky pecan
On leg switch enchant on ri g tho
Make crit enchant for ring
You can have just today 35% crit in 5 min
spice spire
Yeah - do what sims best, but chances are crit will be simming best with frost
spark scaffold
Alright, I'll do that
spice spire
Frost is our best build even as Necro - but requires a specific build around
Best of luck homie 
spark scaffold
And should I keep my leggo on shoulders or swap it to back
spice spire
Swap to back
rocky pecan
Back
spice spire
10000000%
rocky pecan
For shoulder frost
spice spire
And you want the KT shoulders
rocky pecan
Yup
spark scaffold
this is my back
spice spire
For shoulder frost
You can also get set bonus on legs
halcyon zealot
ya that’s not even a question, it’s a dom slot, you recraft
rocky pecan
If you don't have shoulder or pants yet for frost bonus
spark scaffold
i do have them, it's just i have 252 items that sim better than the off-sockets
spice spire
this is my back
Solid back - but yeah for ideal setup you want the KT 246s over the 252 back
rocky pecan
Just do same you will get that on day and won't regret
spark scaffold
OK, now I know what to do, thank you very much for the help
You guys are really helpful 🙂
spice spire
Best of luck papi. If you have any questions, the homies will oblige
spark scaffold
❤️
lavish lichen
As Kyr in opener do I want to use ER inside shiv or before my vanish?
Wowhead says before but seeing some if the very few kyr assa using it inside shiv
shadow tusk
Anyone tried mfd on sylv m?
lavish lichen
Umm I thibk @real solar has think he said he liked it?
shadow tusk
Did u do obe?
torpid crag
I hope this isn't too dumb of a question, but is the Necro legendary good in M+?
I checked logs on M+ and it seems that it's a free for all on what legendary to play with...
I currently have Obedience and Zoldyck and am wondering if I should make a Deathspike
fallen arch
Zoldyck better
Deathspike is fun to fool around with
But it doesn’t do much for you on boss fights
torpid crag
Does it increase in power the higher a key is? Or is it a "haha spike go brrr" meme legendary?
torpid crag
Ah, that's disappointing... It sounds like it could've been fun
fallen arch
It was super good in beta
And then They nerfed
Instead of Bonedust Brew they nerfed this
torpid crag
That's why I am asking, to be honest. If you look at Wowlogs, it's seemingly random
fallen arch
Then dont look at those
torpid crag
That's why I asked :D
fallen arch
Ppl playing doomblade or dashing in keys are trolling or lazy
Probably both
Or forgot to swap after raid
Hence why they logged a key
torpid crag
Well, those are the top 10 logs so it must have worked somehow
fallen arch
I honestly only log keys to not get strikes during boost runs 😂
strange python
Lmaoo I use doomblade cause I am very lazy
fallen arch
Ye sure, but it does absolutely zero in aoe
strange python
Yea you just find your self using fan of knives a lot
fallen arch
Since u dont mutilate over 4 targets
torpid crag
What about running Obedience? Is that competitive or not really worth unless packs take a while to kill so you have it almost always?
fallen arch
Obe is fine too
Especially when there’s a big mob in a pack u can funnel into
But u mentioned deathspike?
And now obe?
torpid crag
I finished both campaigns and am preparing to flex necro/venthyr next patch :D
fallen arch
Ah right
torpid crag
I like necro more in M+
bleak sun
Vampire team here
spice spire
But I am glad I’m able to swap freely to venthyr soon for raid
Same
frigid kestrel
That’s what I was planning on doing for the patch as well. Zold/Necro for M+ and Dash/Venth for raid
torpid crag
Why did you pick Dash and not Doomblade?
They seem to be... equal if you look at logs
Maybe not equal, but they appear equally in the top XX
frigid kestrel
Dashing Sims higher with Frost, and I already spent my cinders on a R6 Dashing so doom isn’t a option even if it simmed higher
torpid crag
Ahh
fallen arch
Same <:Prayge:817252593344577556>
That 300 dps gap gives me nightmares
frigid kestrel
Yea I have a R6 Dashing and Obe. So the next R6 I get will be Zold
torpid crag
Dashing is even better than Obedience, nice
spice spire
That 300 dps gap gives me nightmares
Soon brother
rocky pecan
that dont count mfd change for sure
torpid crag
What mfd change?
tardy parrot
Still lost x'D
MahaFakinDeeps!
marked for death obviously
torpid crag
Ahhhhh, thank you!
Is that the new bis talent in that row? I don't like playing with it 😬
nocturne geode
there a pin in this channel from whisper
torpid crag
Ah, I see
pure moth
Sim your character as well. For me it didn't sim better
torpid crag
I am preparing to sim and be horrified. I am returning from Sub with 8% haste :D
pure moth
Single digits ouch
fallen arch
Soon brother
fallen arch
Ahhhhh, thank you!
Is that the new bis talent in that row? I don't like playing ...
No one likes it I think, but what can we do
It’s just an extra button in your rotation
wispy leaf
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
ebon notch
even after reset with max renown i cant get obed to sim higher
nocturne geode
idk there like super super close for me
slow marsh
yeah i think it wants haste a little too much to the point to where people who have optimized for dashing frost aren't going to see gains for obed
ebon notch
i mean i have some haste gear but idk how much it even needs
slow marsh
but people who were still working on it and/or have more haste items will see the gains for obed > dashing
ebon notch
even tried to replace all of my enchants and gems
slow marsh
yeah but like swap out neck for KT neck and maybe add painsmith ring and see hwat it does
thorny spruce
hey, i have Quantic device at 246 and Amplifactor at 239, raidbot tell me, cube is better, but we are agree to say quantum "over-sim" ?
harsh lantern
Think it’s just assumes iqd gets stats every cast
bleak sky
that depends on how many good cube procs you get out of a fight
harsh lantern
Not sure if that’s always the case tho
drowsy parcel
iqd is shit if you have shit healers
thorny spruce
ah ah ok ok
charred wraith
Make a macro "/RW Use mana potions" and spam it when healers are usually low on mana :pepeclown-1:
lavish lichen
Using mana doesn’t make you a shit healer 
Did they change the range for it?
You used to be able to out range it
charred wraith
Also can run out of range of iqd, press it, go back 
It has a pretty long range i think, 40 or something
undone eagle
Guys a random question regarding legion artifact appearence, can i still unlock the skin when completing ''30 legion dungeons'' ?
Or did it just count during legion exp
drifting cloud
you can get all of them except base mage tower skin
undone eagle
Cheers! time to farm then
@drifting cloud So this means even shadowlands +15 key works?
upbeat needle
fallen arch
No u need 2
ebon notch
<@!124465215826821120> wont be a gain with theo tho so
i simmed both in that sim
i was comparing nadjia to theo
primal zodiac
this may be a dumb question, but do we pay higher attention to envenom uptime with dashing or still pooling just as high as we normaly do
hollow river
I think you pool as you usually would
primal zodiac
yeah i was thinking exactly this, just wanted to make sure
gusty mirage
you'll naturally envenom more because of the increased energy from the poison crits
clever kindle
I think towards low energy though its fine to milk the envenom buff it's not like you're losing out on anything by not spamming like you would be with outlaw
strange python
!opener
prisma monolithBOT
halcyon zealot
openers are there
torpid crag
Are there any other moments to pool energy or just before Envenom?
slow marsh
before flag
halcyon zealot
you should really always be pooling, but specifically for flag and shiv windows
it’s also a very minor optimization that you really shouldn’t focus on until you have the core aspects of the rotation/spec down prettyyyy solid
gusty mirage
before flag
torpid crag
I am looking to optimise stuff now so it's perfect ; D
slow marsh
like i'm gonna say the wrong thing and get trolled for it
torpid crag
Thank you!
gusty mirage
you make me all self conscious and stuff
slow marsh
yeah ikr
slow marsh
like why not just rework sepsis the same way they did flag
slow marsh
instead of doing dumb shit with the leggo nobody is gonna use
gusty mirage
slow marsh
truuuuu
idk tho fae isn't like terribad
it's the worst soulbinds for us, yes, but it's not off by much i think
spice spire
Soulbinds for fae are fine. Ability is make tho 
gusty mirage
yes
slow marsh
yeah exactly
gusty mirage
it's make
slow marsh
it is make
gusty mirage
slow marsh
full tide
I read in here earlier that windfury totem only effects mainhand
I was wondering if this might make the enchant that you have on your mainhand more important to have there instead of it not really mattering
slow marsh
i mean you could always sim it if you relaly want to know
but i can tell you right now it doesn't matter
gusty mirage
iirc they patched it WAY back in TBC to work with both MH and OH for the shaman
idk how it works now since they brought it back
full tide
ye, I can't sim my char right now but was curious if it would matter
i trust you anyway xd
slow marsh
yeah i'm pretty sure its all auto attacks and the main hand only thing is just a wowboomer thing
kind talon
yeah i'm pretty sure its all auto attacks and the main hand only thing is just a...
pretty sure its MH only
slow marsh
Im pretty sure thats main gauche or whatever that shit mastery is
Whatever I don't even care I AM BEING BULLIED HELP SOMEONE
TEACHER
lavish lichen
Is there an efficient way to help with orb damage on nerzhul?
lavish lichen
I garrote some of them while immune but surely ysing envenom on them isnt work?
clever kindle
which sucks to begin with
Great for outlaw but that's because it's based off the use of adrenaline rush which procs from celerity
plain thistle
I garrote some of them while immune but surely ysing envenom on them isnt work?
garrote and rupture, dont envenom if they are immune
plain thistle
if your group needs damage yes, otherwise no
yes, garrote-rupture and poison while they are immune
for energy
lavish lichen
Makes sense ty
plain thistle
for mythic they nerfed orbs health a while back, since then I just dot 1 or 2 and focus boss after, they die really fast anyway
harsh lantern
https://i.imgur.com/ZHyutUX.png
This was like my gv exactly lmao wtf
ebon notch
This was like my gv exactly lmao wtf
fun games
harsh lantern
I got my daggy last night tho
ebon notch
I got my daggy last night tho
sylvanas?
harsh lantern
yessir
ebon notch
fk off
harsh lantern
😉
my sub rogue in guild was sad
prolly way better for him XD
I took it as a sign that I only got 1 piece before sylv. It was my time for dag
livid jay
Question for you guys around energy pooling. If I'm pooling energy but the Envenom buff is about to fall off and I haven't hit the 140 energy threshold for pooling. Is it better to pool to 140 or keep the envenom buff up
shadow tusk
mfd feels really weird to play, are you guys getting >30 flag stacks?
halcyon zealot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zCTxkPV7rbaX8JL9#fight=last&type=damage-don...
sheesh
harsh lantern
mfd feels really weird to play, are you guys getting >30 flag stacks?
I didn’t when I tried last night think I got 28 or 29
But I def wasn’t playing optimally for that
shadow tusk
yeah i get about the same, feels kinda clunky to play even if im 22% haste
gusty mirage
Great for outlaw but that's because it's based off the use of adrenaline rush wh...
Yea it’s really good with celerity
Cuz it procs full vendetta and full blades
quasi venture
better*
spice spire
https://tenor.com/view/im-a-loser-i-suck-im-a-failure-sad-upset-gif-15126237
Damn
Didn’t ask though
obtuse valley
Just got frost set on my 224 alt necro rogue, sitting at around 36% crit atm, is it generally advisable to switch to dashing now that I have frost set and pretty decent crit?
spice spire
Joking aside, blessed be the next run
spice spire
Just got frost set on my 224 alt necro rogue, sitting at around 36% crit atm, i...
Probably won’t be for a bit. Doomblade is really good specifically for Necro until you get up there in ilvl. It still sims higher for me at 246. But around 249ish for upgrades dashing takes over. It’s not any set number just depends on where you are with everything.
That said, if you plan on turbo boosting your rogue alt’s gear
Sure hit up dashing it’ll be better eventually
gusty mirage
Didn’t ask though <:kekw:610125925413289985>
brazen zodiac
have you guys heard about that new juicy night fae tech coming in 9.1.5
i wish
sturdy stirrup
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JkThpZmAvK47aRrx/#fight=2 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JkThpZmAvK47aRrx/#fight=3 can anyone look at this two log please im furogue first time sin
bleak sky
Which Lego is best for pvp doomblade or dashing?
#pvp probably has your answer
rain estuary
ok
arctic hare
I'm doing so many sims rn
mostly tryin to figure out the best course of action for legendaries now that I'm 236 ilvl
I'm finally on the way to getting rank 4 frost set
alpine latch
slow marsh
yeah the obe tech for mme is 30 dps loss so i'm just sticking with dashing and maybe will mess around with obe in heroic to see what feels good
arctic hare
I don't even sim obe lol
sturdy stirrup
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JkThpZmAvK47aRrx/#fight=2 https://www.warcr...
dont forget me please 
harsh lantern
dont forget me please <:PlatypusCosplayingAsBeaver:836584422412517397>
Might be easier to compare logs on WcL for major stuff if you feel you’re doing that wrong
harsh lantern
so close 🙂
cerulean nest
also getting used to mfd has been pretty enjoyable, except for waiting on that first garrote in opener lol
I can actually go cook dinner
obtuse robin
i cant wait to sim all the new trinkets from al the 9 new timewalking dun's
arctic hare
just let me be in the 11k club already
Upgrade EVERRRRRRYTHING
obtuse robin
arctic hare
i cant wait to sim all the new trinkets from al the 9 new timewalking dun's
That'll be sick man
sturdy stirrup
Might be easier to compare logs on WcL for major stuff if you feel you’re doing ...
i dont know how to compare it sorry
but thanks
rustic cosmos
Hey boyz, do we use Vendetta exactly when frost set bonus refreshes??
or just yolo it 🙂
harsh lantern
don’t think you ever play around frost set with vendetta but I don’t min max that hard
could be very wrong
kindred rapids
isn't frost not affected by most buffs
lavish lichen
Its indirectly affected by buffs assuming you’re not already hitting the cap it stores
But certainly you don’t play around it
lavish lichen
Yea it doesn’t
kindred rapids
using mfd has been a massive gain for me so far
kindred rapids
haha, yep. Loving it.
probably should have been using it on eye even before the optimization
oak sky
Mfd feels good
oak sky
What do you not like?
kind talon
shadow tusk
hmm, i guess the slow down in an already slow pace, the obediance leggo is meh to play with and minmaxing mfd is also annoying 
kindred rapids
It's not slow at all
shadow tusk
kindred rapids
I've been using it w/ dashing
shadow tusk
yeah obe mfd was +120 dps
harsh lantern
u got some haste or what
shadow tusk
22%
kindred rapids
ha, that's like 10% more than me
harsh lantern
dang mfd like -60 on my sim still used it felt fun
shadow tusk
maybe just sylv feels bad
kindred rapids
P2 is just annoying
shadow tusk
probably gonna have to try it on different bosses
slim pebble
MFD sims as a 140 DPS up for me
chilly marsh
Question for the m+ rogues. last boss DOS 20 you save vendeta for boss add on fort week?
last week tyran i need to save it
kind talon
maybe just sylv feels bad
i mean mfd is ye
not that great on sylv
vs other bosses
for the pure st parts
drowsy parcel
just reclear things 
winter vapor
outside of the DPS shards, what other shards are folks using in m+?
drowsy parcel
frost absorb and unholy aura
winter vapor
tyvm
hollow river
just reclear things <:weirdge:816571177651929118>
How is speed so good but execution so bad lol
drowsy parcel
gear good but stand in stuff
uneven hamlet
How the new kt felt to you guys? I'll prob be sent down on our prog today so I'm a bit worried w timers now
drowsy parcel
small baby hold if the tank adds were just coming up
kind talon
litty
peak bobcat
mfd is pretty fun
drowsy parcel
gz on rank1
thanks
visual prairie
are you using mfd in dungeons too?
drowsy parcel
its fake rank 1 though, cev is the real deal but hes hidden logs 
kind talon
visual prairie
if you play sin in dungeons?
kind talon
could be good
drowsy parcel
might be harder to progress
hollow river
Yeah