no windfury gang
#assassination
clever kindle
fair glade
clever kindle
and when comparing it makes it easier
spice spire
I really should just upgrade to swift sim 
sudden canyon
my sub is 9.9k so close to that milestone. not that i can pull simlike dps anyways xD
rocky pecan
if i get hc sylv dagger i will give you one
clever kindle
daggers are a crutch
sudden canyon
bet
clever kindle
real chads get parses using a 246 and the 233 from donny
sudden canyon
my ally rogue does have r5 forst with dashing
limber lion
real chads get parses using a 246 and the 233 from donny
imagine getting a 233 from Donny
clever kindle
It was in my box
sudden canyon
but no sylv dagger
clever kindle
burnt star
real chads get parses using a 246 and the 233 from donny
That didnt stop.me from doing a rank 5 parse on mythic remnant without any pi :)
clever kindle
Feeling that way about sylv dagger
burnt star
But i still want dagger!
clever kindle
Even as sin though I'll never get PI or have an Enh we build around ranged regardless of if its good or not
We have 4 boomkins
they can and they will
sudden canyon
i feel like my raid gets jebaited by that shit. like bruh were not wf pushing. were 3/10 just give me the PI its not gonna make the difference u think its making
xD
clever kindle
our comp generally includes 3-4 boomkins and 3-4 locks, sometimes 2
sudden canyon
but i have obd/sod/sb window for every PI
upbeat needle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/er3VKMNfj2DyMEd2qRUYwW
goddamn buddy can you uh
let the rest of us catch up
toxic quail
dont worry bro i green parse
sudden canyon
how do i use mfd gonna try this shit out in hc pug
clever kindle
what if we used master poisoner and lethal poisons
rocky pecan
look pin bigsexy
sudden canyon
!mfd
toxic quail
<:PU_PeepoSmokeH:747989890058289313> what if we used master poisoner and lethal ...
we would slam hard bro
clever kindle
we would slam hard bro
toxic quail
its secretly nasty ;p
clever kindle
it is actually
Maybe in a certain damage scenario it could be good, but it's viable at least
sudden canyon
ic ic so just make sure i get in and mfd->env durring mantle and hold it if flag is comming up in 15 otherwise send
clever kindle
Though im pretty sure with enough work you can make almost any build viable with the correct soulbind setup
rocky pecan
yep
clever kindle
heirmir elaborate planning/subterfuge build
spice spire
ic ic so just make sure i get in and mfd->env durring mantle and hold it if flag...
Work caught up
spice spire
heirmir elaborate planning/subterfuge build
Cursed tech
rocky pecan
no conv masterpoisoner subterfuge is the real tech
clever kindle
I need more combination possibilties
balmy condor
@toxic quail 
brazen zodiac
LOL
limber lion
@balmy condor
spice spire
Hol up
brazen zodiac
wait i ddint see the two part i was like wtf did u do
limber lion
this is the ugliest thing I've seen in a while
spice spire
IQD BS/Sub/DS
spice spire
Wtf is this nonsense
balmy condor
yeh
limber lion
like not even cleave add
spice spire
I see that
limber lion
fucking disgusting
spice spire
Cursed tech
sudden canyon
only 360 cinders cant craft dashing for a while. blizzard gotta drop that hotfix patch
spice spire
Necrolord more cursed by the day
balmy condor
I mean that's just what happens
when you have 4 rows of talents
that don't really do much
limber lion
yup
balmy condor
you get a covenant like necro which doesn't add much in terms of power to those talents
and gg
you get cursed nonsense like that
spice spire
obtuse robin
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xvgHTWAMgQtVAE2Xubo3u1
mother of god
somebody put a hex on you
wide ridge
subterfuge simming highest in ST? is shroud suffocation back? 
brazen zodiac
hi black
wide ridge
btw how much of a dps loss is it to mfd on 1cp?
is it like noticeable or
just slam mfd on 0-1cp?
obtuse robin
yo
wintry mica
you shouldnt be at 1 cp tho
fallen arch
U dont
limber lion
Pandemic lasts for 5.4s
wintry mica
yea no reason to garrote first
limber lion
You should have enough time to play around it
wide ridge
so delay pandemic?
fallen arch
Should be avoidable
brazen zodiac
lmfao
wide ridge
i mean like, instead of garroting as soon as it becomes pandemic i just mfd, finisher then garrote
wintry mica
yea you dont lost anything as long as you garrote during the pandemic window
limber lion
as long as it's inside of pandemic
unborn eagle
247 as well
limber lion
if you apply it at 5s, you get 18s of garrote on top
if you apply it at 1s, you get 18s of garrote on top
wintry mica
wide ridge
if you apply it at 1s, you get 18s of garrote on top
thanks boss
rocky pecan
if you apply it at 5s, you get 18s of garrote on top
woot ?
if you uapply garrote at 5 sec left on pandemic you dont have 18 but 24
or im drunk
spice spire
You’d get 23 seconds
limber lion
if you uapply garrote at 5 sec left on pandemic you dont have 18 but 24
you get 18s of garrote
rocky pecan
23 y
spice spire
Total
spice spire
18 + 5
rocky pecan
oh ok
limber lion
let's do some math
rocky pecan
i miss uunderstood
limber lion
0+18 = ?
spice spire
Because it’s within pandemic there
rocky pecan
i miss uunderstood the on top
wide ridge
rocky pecan
is that the real whispyr ?
spice spire
https://tenor.com/view/mayo-mayonnaise-eat-yum-hungry-gif-16247476
Stop this
balmy condor
I'm just watching
balmy condor
what they doin over der
drowsy parcel
https://tenor.com/view/mayo-mayonnaise-eat-yum-hungry-gif-16247476
is that fucking MAYONNAISE LMFAO
spare flame
Whats the deal rogues and guardian soaks? Cloak and evasion? Also can wr just cheat one?
balmy condor
you cloak both
rocky pecan
cloak
wide ridge
is that fucking MAYONNAISE LMFAO
I thought it was glue 🥴
limber lion
how about cloak
wintry mica
and ive heard you can feint but i dont know if it actually helps others
spare flame
No evasion necessary?
balmy condor
it's not phys damage
limber lion
what does evasion do
wintry mica
unless you are tanking the boss you dont need to evasion it
and if you do theres bigger problems
spare flame
I was told theres a physical portion and cloak was necessary, clearly incorrect
*evasion
wintry mica
only the tank gets hit with phys
balmy condor
the physical portion is the tank hit
balmy condor
soak the piss circle
magic fossil
Guys, last time i played in my sin was in legion, where can a find a tutorial or some kind of walk through ? sorry guys, came very late for the party
balmy condor
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
any of these
wintry mica
and then read the FAQ
magic fossil
thank you @balmy condor, thank you @wintry mica you guys are amazing! ❤️
wintry mica
garbage, I took the dom gloves from the eye 
wide ridge
brazen zodiac
i got 252 spider lady ring
wintry mica
yea but anything other than dagger is disappointing from the vault at this stage lol
wide ridge
flag is +28 dps 
wintry mica
oo nice
wide ridge
i mean obe
limber lion
thank you <@!167090536602140682>, thank you <@!227612205867073538> you guys are ...
np
rocky pecan
with mfd ?
wide ridge
yes mfd
wintry mica
obe was beating dashing ST before the MFD changes for me lol
rocky pecan
big boy
obtuse robin
anytime u link a new parse ur ilvl changes
limber lion
I heard some dude released an assa guide on Method's website
rocky pecan
is that ceverion ?
limber lion
apparently it still needs proofreading and fixing some things up
idk, who's ceverion
rocky pecan
it's prolly ceveriontwo then
brazen zodiac
isnt ceverion that monk player
rocky pecan
kek
brazen zodiac
ohh no mb hes the mage player
limber lion
Good thing I released the guide 2 days before the MfD thing was introduced
so the guide is already out of date
obtuse robin
curious was that a thing method wanted you to do
wintry mica
make sure the guide mentiones the new BS/DS/subt tech 
limber lion
curious was that a thing method wanted you to do
Yes, they require their raiders to write guides.
brazen zodiac
wtf lmfao
rocky pecan
Why you tho there isn't another rogue?
wintry mica
I've checked the guides out before, some of them are decent, but they didnt seem to get updated past the beginning of the tier
rocky pecan
I hope you get some good points
arctic walrus
Good thing I released the guide 2 days before the MfD thing was introduced
Should’ve just asked me
slim pebble
After reading that guide I think I’ve been doing my opener wrong for an entire year
Though I’m sure the difference is minimal
lavish lichen
Wrong opener is like 50% less damage
Not srs btw just funny it’s discussed so much but has such little impact overall
slim pebble
I’ve been doing mut-> slice -> mut -> garrote -> flag -> rupture -> vendetta -> mut to 3 or 4 -> shiv -> vanish into envenom and mut
lavish lichen
Ahh
Master Assassin is what got you
More value to mutilate than envenom in MA window
At least thats my basic understanding
slim pebble
So shiv -> vanish -> mutilate?
limber lion
I’ve been doing mut-> slice -> mut -> garrote -> flag -> rupture -> vendetta -> ...
It's okay, do the correct opener and you'll do 5 more dps over 10 000 instances of fights
rocky pecan
add mfd into that now kek
brazen zodiac
lmfao
limber lion
Current raiding build, any takers?
lavish lichen
Since the last one you mfd env no?
oak sky
subterfuge for what?
limber lion
Damage
lavish lichen
Its more damage ofc
slim pebble
MFD does not sim higher for me
oak sky
on every fight
lavish lichen
Subterfuge guide when?
spice spire
Necrolord based gamer
toxic quail
rip Cev
oak sky
rocky pecan
FUSION AMP FOR YOU
fallen arch
Rip
slow marsh
That's a neck
limber lion
slow marsh
weird champ
rocky pecan
kek
oak sky
and my guild is extending now!
rocky pecan
idk what your gear but seems pretty strange
oak sky
time to double check on that
slow marsh
i would certainly do that
oak sky
either way its probably good for offspec
its gonna be really sad to not have a mythic vault now though
delicate berry
EP+MFD with Dashing/Frost is simming higher for me +184 (running BS/Vig currently)
guess ill be playing around with in raid tonight
fleet atlas
@oak sky wat set bonus u running? Cause with frost that neck should definitely be better
rocky pecan
yup
wintry mica
just do the math yourself in your head 10000 times its basically the same
delicate berry
only at 36% crit 😦
rocky pecan
prolly change enchant and gems in hast if you take this neck then
oak sky
what i really need is a ring upgrade
wintry mica
EP+MFD with Dashing/Frost is simming higher for me +184 (running BS/Vig current...
bs/vig is kinda weird
oak sky
prolly change enchant and gems in hast if you take this neck then
yeah im simming that too
fleet atlas
Ah ya that make sense if ur crit is so high. Obviously ik to Sim I more just meant I was surprised if it wasn't better if u were frost
oak sky
i simmed it a few weeks ago and it didn't show an upgrade
delicate berry
bs/vig is kinda weird
had shite gear
oak sky
but who knows
rocky pecan
on what boss are you agreon?
oak sky
kt
rocky pecan
huum ok
rocky pecan
i mean if you uwas on fastes you couuld prolly win some hast with helm
oak sky
already have the fate helm :p
rocky pecan
ok ok
oak sky
so my sim shows this neck is about equal
rocky pecan
socket ?
rocky pecan
kt soon down or start try ?
oak sky
kt neck is definitely an upgrade
rocky pecan
to kill him this wek
obtuse robin
hopefully the painsmith nerfs means something to my guild
cerulean nest
subterfuge sims 200 dps lower lmao
what is cev on
(on the top of the charts, that's what)
cerulean nest
ah
wintry mica
top gear told it to run bs/ds/subt lol
rocky pecan
just wait agreon if you think you can kill kt this week or look for is neck then if it's more interesting for ya
cerulean nest
nice guide tho @limber lion helps to reinforce the basics sometimes and the specific boss tips are welcome
rocky pecan
welcome soon then!
oak sky
Yep
wintry mica
just get lucky with the vault 
oak sky
Already didnt do that
rocky pecan
extending means no vault
oak sky
wintry mica
oh yea duh
rocky pecan
or hc vault
oak sky
Yep
wintry mica
crazy getting the dagger before the ring or chest lol
rocky pecan
crazy a getting a dagger on sylv
oak sky
Oh that was vault loot
rocky pecan
like i wish i got one 😢
oak sky
I havent gotten a drop off sylv
unborn eagle
ya 9.2 u will
oak sky
Frost set gone 📉
oak sky
Bs/ds 12k for sure
arctic walrus
for ring + chest to be 150
arctic walrus
<@!204390599472840706> retire then
?
balmy condor
woyer
oak sky
bruh arms does so much damage
spice spire
Warrior already 6/10M 
balmy condor
shout simp
arctic walrus
Warrior already 6/10M <:oxiPAIN:869574514625900544>
7
charred wraith
pepega class smh 
arctic walrus
wya? @balmy condor
cursive silo
Ve-L nerd
spice spire
balmy condor
Warrior already 6/10M <:oxiPAIN:869574514625900544>
if you're 6/10M you're not 6/10M you're 7/10M
spice spire
True free boss
charred wraith
ball padder
balmy condor
wya? <@!167090536602140682>
i'll dm you my address come through or what
spice spire
How could i forget
oak sky
any outlaw players?
arctic walrus
i'll dm you my address come through or what
bowling balls may have 3 holes, but all I need is your 1 to score a strike
spice spire
bowling balls may have 3 holes, but all I need is your 1 to score a strike
Hello?
Bonque
oak sky
no its bc whispyr played outlaw on painsmith
delicate berry
that rebel
balmy condor
no its bc whispyr played outlaw on painsmith
my raid leader assured me we're no longer doing dps stop
so we're off the law juice
oak sky
good
cursive silo
souunds like a normal pug
oak sky
this one has a bit more variety
soft shale
see dps upgrade slam
arctic hare
So, what do we think?
stray mural
Signet
arctic hare
My other ring is a 230
stray mural
You should sim but it should be the ring unless you’re wearing like i200 bracers
arctic hare
Indeed
151 haste and 107 crit
Lost about 50 crit, but that can be fixed by a crit enchant and a crit socket
oak sky
healers don't exist
arctic hare
Lol
stray mural
Green dps
fallen arch
So, what do we think?
We think you did not do 4 15s?
arctic hare
Lol, I don't do 4 15's yet
oak sky
i do 0 🙂
oak sky
pretty geared
fallen arch
Progging fate n stuff
arctic hare
Ilvl 236 itm
ebon notch
@oak sky has a dagger
ebon notch
He's more geared than all of us
fallen arch
Right
oak sky
wdym
fallen arch
my last sylv pug was 5 hunters and 4 rogues
I have never ever done anything smooth with a hunter
soft shale
when the hunter is 252
fallen arch
Maybe I’m salty but hunters be played by the most simplest of men
oak sky
huntards exist
fallen arch
Not the hunters I come across
oak sky
you got it 
harsh lantern
gimme heroic sylv ring with socket 🙏
oak sky
juicy
harsh lantern
then we go bang our head into painsmith
oak sky
harsh lantern
first week of prog on it so maybe I just got ptsd from other people
spice spire
i was gonna try to parse this pug but i realized i dont have enough consumables
Consumables are for the weak
Real chads parse with none
No externals either
frosty bridge
GOOD LUCK TO ALL MY ROGUE BROTHERS
harsh lantern
chad for sure
oak sky
this is a pug so you never know
frosty bridge
May your vault include a ton of vers mastery gear
harsh lantern
spice spire
May your vault include a ton of vers mastery gear
Cursed
harsh lantern
mastery hidden bis
frosty bridge
And a Grim codex 252 so you can upgrade your 246 phials
stray mural
Yuck
spice spire
mastery hidden bis
Oshosi burner account? 
harsh lantern
9.1 rogue imposter actually
oak sky
osh
harsh lantern
ur name for ur character is pog dude
Didn’t know that was u
I peeped ur logs before @spice spire
harsh lantern
XD
spice spire
It’s a lesson on what not to do at least
clever kindle
May your vault include a ton of vers mastery gear
test.. exsanguinate builds
got it
spice spire
It’s quite the juicer name - daps is juicing rn
harsh lantern
you’re necro right?
tacit plover
Sorry did i read master assasin in the pins?
spice spire
Yeah
harsh lantern
I need to rank mine up
spice spire
I’m addicted to that sweet sweet sbs drug
harsh lantern
Haven’t even used it yet gg
spice spire
Sorry did i read master assasin in the pins?
Yes - we take the MA talent
harsh lantern
Flagcity
spice spire
Flag is a sick ability - sbs just FEELS better
Both are largely preferred to the other two
harsh lantern
feelcraft BiS
brazen zodiac
rip sepsis :(
spice spire
No it’s not LMAO
harsh lantern
Ofc
spice spire
I’m an idiot for throwing away 300 DPS
tacit plover
Yes - we take the MA talent
Oh thouhg it twas the leggo that let us deal more dmg after leaving stealth and i was worried about cinders
spice spire
I beat my sims at least 🙂
spice spire
Yeah, I’m more worried about downing. Guild is having a mental boom issue with Sylvanas rn
harsh lantern
haha I can’t share that pain yet u got it tho 🙏
safe rover
hey guys, how do i choose which conduit gets empowered on the sims?
balmy condor
it'll pick automatically
select an extra conduit and it'll shuffle them around for you and spit out which it thinks is best
empowered conduits don't really do much for us dps wise though
so be aware that it's going to be pretty depressingly minor
safe rover
it keeps picking my 226 lashing scars over 252 well placed steel but yeah was expecting that
thanks!
brazen zodiac
so be aware that it's going to be pretty depressingly minor
emphasis on the depressingly 
balmy condor
when the dps gain from the empowerment itself is barely more than margin of error
it's uh
not fun
brazen zodiac
f
im hyped i got the 252 spider lady ring
but also mad that i just spent 750 valor upgrading the one i got last week :(
spice spire
Heroic still. Casual btw 
spice spire
Yeah ez boss
spice spire
LMFAO nah. We raid five hours a week, let’s me spend time with significant other and still do mythics n shit
kind talon
:3
harsh lantern
based
kind talon
Chadpilled
hollow river
We have so many melee I don’t even get in the WFT group ):
No ww buff, no pi, no wft
I’m gonna throw a fit
spice spire
That’s down cataclysmic
hollow river
Our other rogue just got done gearing a ww
hollow river
So we will have it
kind talon
hollow river
2 arms, a dk sometimes 2
hollow river
Ret pally or prot warrior....
kind talon
Gl with ur guild
hollow river
Dk is good in wft
kind talon
Prot warrior is good
hollow river
With 2h
kind talon
Dk is not
hollow river
Better than sim rogue
hollow river
Ummm
hollow river
It is better
kind talon
Bro what
hollow river
Frost wielding 2h is marginally better than sin rogue
kind talon
Do u use frost set?
hollow river
Check the sheet
odd heath
Sheet is outdated
kind talon
Sheet doesn’t have frost set
hollow river
Idk I’m not that worried about it
odd heath
It wasn't simmed with frost set
hollow river
They left me out of wft in heroic clear last night and let’s the DH in there
Hilarious
balmy condor
just play sub
hollow river
balmy condor
hollow river
I do on painsmith
balmy condor
fucking worrying about 0.3% wft difference
hollow river
That’s why I’m ranking my blood before raid tonight
hollow river
fucking worrying about 0.3% wft difference
?
balmy condor
our dh's still huff the copium that wft is good for them
hollow river
What do you mean exactly
balmy condor
I mean that it doesn't really matter who goes into wft group
hollow river
The difference between specs on wft?
balmy condor
yeh
hollow river
Ah
obtuse robin
30 bucks for 20 dps gain from orc to be im such a fucking loser
balmy condor
it's so minor anyway
hollow river
Still sucks when it’s not you though
balmy condor
yeah that's true
hollow river
I feel left out of the cool kids club
brazen zodiac
thats based as fuck lmfao
i kinda wanna switch to blood elf
but rocket jump too fun
hollow river
30 bucks for 20 dps gain from orc to be im such a fucking loser
Race change is 30??
spice spire
7 dps 
obtuse robin
or 25 i already forgot
hollow river
Thought it was like 15-20 maybe it was on sale last time I did it
obtuse robin
imgaine having a wft in ur guild
hollow river
I think it was on sale actually
fallen arch
30 bucks for 20 dps gain from orc to be im such a fucking loser
Ew male be
obtuse robin
iv been doing keys for our guild enhance this week
hopefully he stays that
he can parse green its still a dps gain for raid over his dk
hollow river
I want to know if I’ll get a second mfd reset from painsmith balls when they disappear (not die) I’m assuming no
fallen arch
I want to know if I’ll get a second mfd reset from painsmith balls when they dis...
Prob not
obtuse robin
oh i missread
harsh lantern
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3hjeEDJPJYh6RTG5BxocE7 whiff on gv again
maybe neck
sudden canyon
does any1 know if there is good luck protection for raid loot?
harsh lantern
got it yesterday
sudden canyon
like if i get 3 peices am i fucked
shoulda i just always do the skip first
to get sylv loot
or is it all rng
limber lion
Ever seen a cute breakdown like this
sudden canyon
im getting desperate
brazen zodiac
what the fuck
obtuse robin
sudden canyon
bro that looks like a rank 1 legion parse
brazen zodiac
252 spider lady ring :D
sudden canyon
never forget op poison bomb
obtuse robin
man going back to bfa
sudden canyon
never forget SS + EB
they just yoink our aoe and give nothing to compensate
classic blissard
brazen zodiac
feels weird that sims are telling me dashing is still better than obi even with marked
with theo
spice spire
It was noted earlier that it won’t be that way for everyone. Some still showing better with Dashing while others are showing obe
cursive silo
Well the pin says theo is worse for obed so
sand sigil
can anyone confirm these? only definitively, plz no "i think x", only if u know. gonna rock that mfd tonight
painsmith balls (i think it does)
kt skeles + intermission adds + icicles (i think it does)
kt tank adds (i think it doesn't, doesn't refund sbs)
sylv p1 chains (i think it does)
sylv p1 fixate adds (i think it doesn't, doesn't refund sbs)
sylv p2 orbs on right side (no idea i always played left side)
sand sigil
Ever seen a cute breakdown like this
also u should go buy a lottery ticket
stuck knoll
can anyone confirm these? only definitively, plz no "i think x", only if u know....
painsmith balls do kt skeles do as do icicles
everything on kt does
strange python
Painsmith ball can be buggy ofc if he's phasing
sand sigil
tank adds refund?
stuck knoll
yeah
strange python
I had issues with tank adds refunding
drowsy parcel
can anyone confirm these? only definitively, plz no "i think x", only if u know....
sylv p1 fixate adds 100% refunds sbs
stuck knoll
I think mfd in general has been good
balmy condor
Ever seen a cute breakdown like this
you want your ban now or later
sand sigil
hm ima need to look back at a vod cuz i've def saved 2 charges for the first 2 adds and spiked both and got none back
stuck knoll
Some early stuff was weird at the very start
sand sigil
hm ima need to look back at a vod cuz i've def saved 2 charges for the first 2 a...
p1 sylv i mean
stuck knoll
only thing that doesn't but should is remnant balls
sand sigil
yeah i knew that one okok sg
stuck knoll
Idk about sbs
drowsy parcel
they fixed most if not all of the buggy sbs interactions
sand sigil
icicles def do
stuck knoll
but icicles do for mfd
sand sigil
i think tank adds only refund when the tank gathers their bodies
but icicles refund sbs immediately
i guess the only fights ud hold the mfd on opener are probably dormazain painsmith, kt, and sylv then
spice spire
icicles dont afaik? but might be wrong
Icicles definitely do
kind talon
Ye @sand sigil everything u named works
Except for fixate adds on sylv I haven’t done it on m yet
So idk firsthand
But it should too :)
Remnant balls not working is a scam tho
drowsy parcel
fixate adds 100% work, trust me im a sbs conneiseur
limber lion
can anyone confirm these? only definitively, plz no "i think x", only if u know....
Everything you listed does.
kind talon
Pogga
limber lion
I played it yesterday and am currently playing it.
kind talon
Everything works baby
drowsy parcel
throwback to first week of raid release when nothing worked to reset sbs
limber lion
Yeh it was awful.
Remnant balls don't reset MfD, but everything else should do. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head
cursive silo
Do balls only refund on the one you kill or also when they reach the end
Pain balls
sand sigil
if there's one thing i wish for the 9.2 race it's that bonesmith/emeni gets some sick soulbind stuff between 80-90 renown so necro beats out venth for early prog. or late fights with a ton of resets. so much more fun than all the rest
drowsy parcel
when they reach the end too
sand sigil
imagine nf is bis next tier and we all gotta last second level 1-90 renown or some bs on nf lmao
kind talon
Do balls only refund on the one you kill or also when they reach the end
They are litty cause u get guaranteed 2 resets
One on the ball and a second when it reaches end
U get free mfd during intermission too
!!!!
On the balls
ember mural
imagine nf is bis next tier and we all gotta last second level 1-90 renown or so...
sepsis 
cursive silo
On the balls
What if you play outlaw and you just get all your cds back
cursive silo
I get like half a shadow dance
hollow river
They are litty cause u get guaranteed 2 resets
Oh for real? Asked this earlier and someone said probably doesn’t work
kind talon
Oh for real? Asked this earlier and someone said probably doesn’t work
Ye mfd resets when ball explodes itself
Intermission as well
hollow river
Hell yeah
limber lion
@sand sigil Gotta say though
KT himself and the Remnant inside the phylactery do not reset Sbs/MfD
balmy condor
imagine nf is bis next tier and we all gotta last second level 1-90 renown or so...
rest assured I'm sweeping that shit under the rug
hollow river
I mean he doesn’t technically die
hollow river
rest assured I'm sweeping that shit under the rug
LOL
balmy condor
hide those sims real quick
kind talon
@limber lion @balmy condor on fights like painsmith and the nine is it more worth to use mfd in vendetta shiv vanish window or save for resets
balmy condor
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> <@167090536602140682> on fights like painsmith and the nin...
Depends right
kind talon
Ye
oak sky
Hmmm
oak sky
You pretty much always want it for flag tho right?
obtuse robin
that slight wait for garrote in the opener without vigor feels like shit
oak sky
Same thing can happen with bs/ds
brazen zodiac
that slight wait for garrote in the opener without vigor feels like shit
yeah for real
kind talon
Ah true
U want it for flag
True true true true
That’s pretty true
So is obedience good now
real solar
can anyone confirm these? only definitively, plz no "i think x", only if u know....
Sylvanas chains, yes
Sylvanas fixate adds, yes
P2, i only ever tried on the adds, not the orbs, sorry
willow eagle
So is obedience good now
always has been
kind talon
always has been
Is it better than lp now
willow eagle
Sim it
peak bobcat
using obedience and MFD i got consistent 26+ stacks on sylv
both 30 stacks with lust easy
odd heath
no sylv loot, but good enough
grave palm
That phial 🤤
One day 
Question. Do sims account for the Venthyr covenant ability? I know some sims fail on some of the others like venthyr druid, but currently trying to figure out if swapping necro to venth would be a good swap? o.O
Also noticing alot of Venthyr logs over necrolord. ._.
lavish stag
it does , you can test that by selecting obedience lego
also don't forget to add flag conduit when you sim
grave palm
oo. I did forget that o.o
lavish stag
that's a big difference
raw fog
pure moth
It appears so
sour wraith
Sylvanas chains, yes
Sylvanas fixate adds, yes
P2, i only ever tried on the adds...
@sand sigil sylv orbs reset it in heroic, havent tried mythic but I'd doubt it would change
visual prairie
do remnant orbs reset mfd?
sour wraith
No, they don't technically die
Same reason for why you don't get rupture energy refund like when a normal mob dies
visual prairie
the little summoned adds on the nine count though?
oak sky
wait i dont have nitro but i can still send all of you a 
final star
Cos you are subbed to him, I assume
buoyant fossil
252 IQD in vault. Doesn't help at all 
balmy condor
wait i dont have nitro but i can still send all of you a <:whispy3Heart:84030193...
yeh that's sub emote
kind talon
What the
brazen zodiac
fr
lavish lichen
Lol
It’s pretty common as kyr
Feels really nice
I wish MFD was good for kyr, is 5 possible? 👀
Ofc not worth bc the CPs don’t have the same value as kyr but idk if 5 is possible
oak sky
basically where we were using vigor we run mfd instead, but only as venthyr
pure st bs/ds is still better
ebon notch
mfd is good actually
just without lust it makes you wanna shoot yourself
did an opener on sylvanas just now and they didnt lust for 10 seconds, half of vendetta 
placid pagoda
Is the MFD pin purely with Obe only?
raven hawk
shoulda just made a jack of all trade leggo instead of slapping it on NF crap
azure bronze
Is the MFD pin purely with Obe only?
It's also an upgrade with Dashing for me as Venthyr
lavish lichen
Is the MFD pin purely with Obe only?
Whispyr had said something like 0.8% with dashing and 1.5% with obe iirc
It was in pin but idk what happened maybe moved
halcyon zealot
it was a 100 dps upgrade for me with dashing and a few jewelry swaps, definitely not Obe only
placid pagoda
it was a 100 dps upgrade for me with dashing and a few jewelry swaps, definitely...
Good to know
azure bronze
I gained about 110 dps as well with Nadija and MfD over Theotar(Cause of 2nd empowered potency) and vigor
So best just sim yourself
cunning star
So for the new NF legendary: what crit value do I need?
oak sky
bro what the fuck is this nf legendary
azure bronze
So for the new NF legendary: what crit value do I need?
We don't even know if it's good?
brazen zodiac
i wish
oak sky
no
just imagine if it stayed bad instead
the world is peaceful
i never have to level nf
grave gazelle
So that sepsis change 👀
brazen zodiac
stop
grave gazelle
halcyon silo
So is that lego good?
night leaf
BS/DS build with night fae may become interesting
halcyon silo
So you only get 2 of the 3 or all 3?SB, AR and Vend?
lost mist
So you only get 2 of the 3 or all 3?SB, AR and Vend?
2 of 3, u don't get the one that's from your spec
halcyon silo
Ah ok
chilly marsh
you can line up with vendeta to have the 3 ?
halcyon silo
Yeah
simple stratus
Jack of some trades
halcyon silo
So would frost shards still be BiS?
ebon notch
So would frost shards still be BiS?
why would it change
frost is just the perfect assa set
oak sky
frost good until 9.2
balmy condor
Fae lego still sucks real bad nothing to see here
balmy condor
Fae lego still sucks real bad nothing to see here
echo geyser
hollow river
He sweeping it under the rug
ebon notch
sepsis is the most underwhelming spell
balmy condor
it would have to be a full 1k dps ahead of dashing
in order to pull even with venth
would be like an 18% legendary
ebon notch
watch them buff it to oblivion just to prove you wrong
balmy condor
obedience got nerfed at 10-11%
ebon notch
"FULL DURATION SHADOWBLADES AND AR"
oak sky
glad to hear it
balmy condor
also that "has been slightly redesigned"
in the blue post
feels pretty coy
it's almost like they know it just needs to be thrown in the bin and completely changed to something else
hollow river
Make it crit instead of mastery 
ebon notch
Make it crit instead of mastery <:peepochrist:585733962274570253>
nah make it haste and just make nf blue venthyr
vast forum
wheat lance
So early prog on M Sylv, been running dashing with PB coz CT felt like padding. Noticed more logs with bloodstained and PB. Is it just better on the whole fight due to P2 multi targets? Please note we haven't made it cleanly or of P1.
wheat lance
Just trying not to grief my raid
oak sky
unless theres a ton of multitarget you pretty much just go for single target
real solar
Esp for prog, you can also run dashing vigor PB, it’s fine but yea - just stick to PB
viscid spear
My crit is 32% unbuffed, but I don't have Dashing; not worth using Frost set until I do, right?
I can't sim because I'm using my brother's PC for now and I don't have all my shit
balmy condor
real solar
Only thing we can say is sim
balmy condor
I tried doing the math in my head but it exploded
real solar
If you’re playing wow on your brother’s pc just download simc lol
viscid spear
I feel like I'm playing on one of those old off-white behemoths that were all the rage when the Atari 2600 was new
real solar
What does that have to do with downloading an addon that uses up prob 10mb of memory? D:
Just grab the string then disable the addon
or delete it
crisp sluice
Dumb question but]
for Raid, ST, I know we want dashing with frost shards
is it still worth it for me to maek an R4 doomblade? Or should I just keep ddashing and get zoldyck for M+
oak sky
its better for necro iirc, which we might run next patch sometimes
also way off in 9.2 it could be bis again but that isnt a huge worry
i would say its worth making but only if you have nothing else to make
crisp sluice
should I go for zoldyck first then?
(ive been away since FEebruary so I know im behind)
crisp sluice
Both, I'm prioritizing my dashing for raid as number 1
but for number 2 M+
so zoldyck over doomblade
real solar
ooo doomblade might be better for necro ST, have to sim yourself
But zoldyck for sure for m+
oak sky
bro i need blusherbucket
real solar
hi @gusty mirage
crisp sluice
Kk got it thanks guys
oak sky
mfd nightstalker is already a thing
bleak sky
nightstalker ma 
wide ridge
do you guys use any mouseover MFD macro? i wonder if mine can be improved, it goes like this
#showtooltip
/cast [target=mouseover, exists] marked for death; marked for death
oak sky
i dont think it matters as long as it does what you want it to
gusty mirage
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [] Marked for Death
i use this ^
hollow river
My crit is 32% unbuffed, but I don't have Dashing; not worth using Frost set unt...
frost is practically bis no matter your leggo.
amirite?
real solar
Ya, Frost will be bis regardless of leggo at the end
oak sky
sometimes unholy can do more damage though
real solar
but imagine someone had 5% crit, frost wouldnt be bis for them in that moment
oak sky
^
strange python
5% crit
dark token
ok @balmy condor mfd feels clean
especially on sylvanas where you get tons of add resets
cool sniping gameplay
ebon notch
So early prog on M Sylv, been running dashing with PB coz CT felt like padding. ...
the new parses havent been pushed through yet
you should be running dashing with PB
because damage in p1 doesnt matter
and in p2 you're mainly doing ST damage
p3 damage DOES matter
dark token
the new parses havent been pushed through yet
100% CT bloodstained is just giga pad from china