assassination

[oak sky]

Does vel mean like

[brazen zodiac]

[oak sky]

Crafting the leggo with haste on it

[exotic rose]

Hey guys, is there a way to avoid the IQD trinket to do things like give healer mana or heal somebody?

[brazen zodiac]

yeah dont use it when the weakaura tells u ur gonna heal or give mana

def get that weakaura for it its p rad

ill link it when im done making nachos

[exotic rose]

I heard something about having a macro that uses on yourself.

Not sure if anyone tested it.

[brazen zodiac]

hm

ive asked about iqd a lot in here and havent heard anything about that but hey who knows

[rocky pecan]

i only know you can avoid the exec if you remove your target before using but for the heal thing idk

[whole pilot]

Plenty of people use the self target macro but it only eliminates execute

Nothing else

[exotic rose]

Ah, I thought it would eliminate giving mana to others.

[whole pilot]

Nope

[brazen zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gbVpH3CXXRc4YcDs5qfpLW

there's no way

in hell

[rocky pecan]

no mana is prolly something with range or any shit like that

+111 for me vita

mfd and obe

[brazen zodiac]

someone hold me

@slow marsh i need a hug asap

[rocky pecan]

you crafted crit vers ?

[brazen zodiac]

this is with theo https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/roVJGHm44i7eamFrFpAdWK

nah i just wanted to see

not sure why it sims soo high for nidja and not for theo

@balmy condor when it tells u to switch out crit gems for haste

[nimble tartan]

two empowered dps traits

[brazen zodiac]

right right

[slim jay]

you guys using zoldyks in keys over obed?

[zinc frost]

I prefer obedience but both are good

[soft shale]

you can try the new mfd tech with obedience

[slim jay]

just switched to venth, in keys do you just slam flag

also is it okay to flag a target and dot up others or if i flag someone should stay on them?

[soft shale]

its k to flag and spend cp anywhere

[terse talon]

hmm I simmed better with mfd but still with my dashing
perhaps its because my obi is 235 and with crit/vers
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r5eKQsG2wZTa3uRsKDfwd

[north basin]

u guys in m+ achieving better overall with obe or zoldyk? in 18+ keys?

given u play lets say with random pugs

so not tailored pulls

regular stuff

[zinc frost]

Tbh overall dps isn’t as important with obedience it’s more about getting flag off CD more often for prio mobs, Lieutenants and bosses. As long as your doing your rotation right, hitting everything on CD when you need to, overall will get higher, the better the pulls are.

[north basin]

this is obvious.

but didnt ask it)

[verbal mantle]

well what do you expect? caring about overall that much is already wrong so you do you

try both leg and see for yourself.

[north basin]

dont have enough ash for 262 zoldyk, but played with dashing obe in m+ sin/sub, and was surprised how good obe in sin now with mfd

so thinking if i can achieve better with zoldyk 262.

if i craft it next week

but if its not worth from general consensus perspective,. i would better invest in outlaw celerity ring )

this is my thoughts

[quaint carbon]

do you mfd evenom on CD or try to line up with a shiv or something ? (when out of MA window)

[charred wraith]

If i have to choose between resetting mfd via an add after the flag window or using it in the flag window without having a possibility of resetting it, what would i choose? (Hold flag to get 2 mfd's in the flag window, unless i loose a cast of flag?)

[slim jay]

i think you mfd to stack obedience quicker

or flag sorry

[quaint carbon]

ah yea

[slim jay]

is spamming low m+ the fastest renown grind?

at 43 now trying to get to 55 at least by raid tomorrow night

[slate sequoia]

Think Torghast is the fastest

[verbal mantle]

torghast layer 9

[charred wraith]

spam torghast, stealth run to the end boss, choose from layer 9 to 12, when you feel that the chance is getting lower, just switch to 1 lvl higher

[storm quest]

Question. Why is doomblade with unholy shards simming higher than dashing frost? I have lvl 4 gems of each and like 38% crit with both leggo at 262. This is patchwork 5 min and helter skelter

[north basin]

didnt hear people still sim wiith helter skelter))))))

[fallen arch]

Playing Night Fae?

[storm quest]

Was just doing a bunch to see what was going on also no venthyr

[brazen zodiac]

well maybe you not being venthyr has something to do with it

from what I've raid doomblade is still the way for da nercolords

surely u can find more info in this chat so long as u search key words

[slim jay]

i was necro before switching 2 days ago and doomblade and dashing were about even

[storm quest]

Sorry I meant I am playing venthyr :d but yea it's like 30 dps different I just found it odd

[slim jay]

they are very close

rank 5 will pull ahead more though

and if you get your crit up closer to 45ish%

[hearty goblet]

Question: Mutilate and Ambush both cost 50 energy and award 2 combo points. Mutilate deals a total of 1000 physical damage while Ambush deals 2,183. I've seen where Ambush will only be used if it's a free proc due to Blindside. Why not use it all the time? Is it because Mutilate applies both poisons?

Ah. That's right. Thank you.

[vocal edge]

Obedience+ unholy set is still outsimming dashing. Is 31% crit not enough for dashing/frost to be better?

[fast nacelle]

uh spicy 80 dps gain on assa with mfd.. thats noticeable

(but with dashing for me)

[arctic hare]

Wait, marked for death is a noticible increase? I read the pins but could barely understand it lol

[plain thistle]

yes, 31% is "low" for frost set, you want something like 37-40%++++

[arctic hare]

Yeah

[fast nacelle]

its mfd + dashing for me but i only got frost rank 5 so far cuz it was an alt

[arctic hare]

Ahh, okay

Yeah, I’m still at rank 3 frost

[heavy coral]

its +84 dps for me with dashing and full frost

[arctic hare]

Hmm, i hadn’t realized that it somehow gained in value

What changes were even made to it?

[fast nacelle]

guess mostly not using it pre pull? idk...

didnt check research channel

[hollow river]

These raid nerfs are

[fast nacelle]

they should silvi hp

to skip p1 completly

i hate dmg stops

[hollow river]

Painsmith dies this week and then CE is just a matter of time

Well they’re trying to fix KT so I’m happy about that

[arctic hare]

I presume painsmith is the biggest barrier on the way to sylv?

[hollow river]

Yes and my raid got it to 2% last week

[fast nacelle]

painsmith was the hardest boss in sod , yea

[arctic hare]

Oh wow, thats crazy

[hollow river]

They nerfed painsmith too

[arctic hare]

I’ve only ever done normal, and I’ll be doing heroic for the first time tonight

[hollow river]

2nd intermission spike openings closer together now

Gonna be ez as cake

[arctic hare]

Thats nice lol

[hollow river]

Still a hard fight but

[fast nacelle]

iirc we had one more try on painsmith than on sylvanas

or the same.. cant rmb

[hollow river]

Yeah we’re like 110 deep into pain

[arctic hare]

Jeez

[fast nacelle]

it was 69 on pain second id and 69 on sylvanas third id

[slim pebble]

Today is the day we all get EoN

[arctic hare]

Heh, 69, awesome

EoN

[fast nacelle]

[arctic hare]

?

[hollow river]

Yeesh

[arctic hare]

Whats EoN?

[fast nacelle]

the most triggering about shadowlands are the easy endbosses

[arctic hare]

Don’t diss daddy denathrius

[hollow river]

Yeah I was looking for guardian

[arctic hare]

He was kind of a pain

[hollow river]

I like denathrius

[fast nacelle]

we also had 69 on sire ... 69 is our number

[hollow river]

Even heroic

I never got passed council M

[arctic hare]

This is straight up just impressive

[hollow river]

With my last guild

Denathrius seemed well scripted

[fast nacelle]

a friend of mine played wr 700 with 311 on stone legion and sire

dont even know

how that was possible

722 on the last 2 bosses

[arctic hare]

Whew

[slim pebble]

Edge of night

[arctic hare]

Ohhhhh, rightttttt

[hollow river]

Yeah I’ve heard stone legion for a lot of guilds was 300+

[fast nacelle]

i mean... if you killed it first 3-5 ids yeah

could be that count... but they were few months in

dont even know how a guild survives 311 of slg and then 311 of sire

[full tide]

We had 150 something on SLG and then 380 on Sire

Probably wouldn't have been 380 if we had a more consistent roster

For a few weeks there we had a few changes each raid day

[hollow river]

I’ve heard of some that only got 9/10 at very end of tier with that many pulls

Things get rough when you’re like world 2000+

[fast nacelle]

the guild of my friend struggled with tanks

i think sire can be very depressing if your tanks aint play well

you can die easily in p3

[hollow river]

A lot of lower tier guilds struggle with all kinds of stuff

[full tide]

We swapped out a tank on SLG, that didn't hurt too much. The nerfs to SLG toward the end of the tier made the fight so much easier

We had maybe 2/3rds of our pulls before the last round of nerfs

[burnt star]

U mean middle of tier nerf

[full tide]

On Sire we swapped between 3 tanks a few times over the progression went through a few healers and quite a few dps

I guess

Whenever the change to commando exploding times were nerfed

My sense of time disappeared during the last two bosses

[burnt star]

Tier finished in july so

And started in december

This one is gonna be as long

[rocky pecan]

9.1.5 between like 9.0.5 in castle

[glass trench]

[fast nacelle]

oh there he is

[glass trench]

but yeah you are right, our progress on sire was really depressing. Imagine you have tanks which arent able to backpaddle and dying to sire in p3 cause of this.

[muted ridge]

I'd like to ask about opener, is it good or complete nah?

[slim jay]

it looks like you broke stealth with shiv

[fast nacelle]

https://i.imgur.com/V0U8O8l.png

[muted ridge]

I actually press em at the same time

or try to

so I can Shiv critted

more cp

[slim jay]

you want to break stealth with envenom

so you can fit 2 in MA window i think

[shadow tusk]

you can do shiv -> vanish -> mut -> env -> mut

[muted ridge]

how it works out for me I do Muti > shiv > vanish> envenom

[slim jay]

shiv > vanish > env > mut > env

[muted ridge]

so i break it with Envenom

dunno why logs are like that

[shadow tusk]

https://gyazo.com/3d1f4a3286f111e4cf5aaaff104c7865

[slim jay]

i mean it shows you had to wait for gcd to env

so you are probably not getting a second env in MA

[shadow tusk]

dont need one

2x mut gives more cp

[muted ridge]

I see, cheers for suggestions

[bleak sun]

yikes 1st kill Sylvanas i got a dagger

[slim jay]

gz

[muted ridge]

unethical

[slim jay]

the breaking stealth with shiv would be the only thing i see

idk if the difference between what me and dank said matters

[shadow tusk]

its very small difference in dps

[slim jay]

just being locked in gcd after shiving out of stealth bad

[rocky pecan]

Shiv cri is 2 CP when mut crit can be 4

Actually with mfd idk didn't tried

[arctic hare]

So whats better now, EP MFD?

[gusty mirage]

For pure ST? It’ll still be BS/DS. EP/MFD is a bit better than EP/Vigor though

[arctic hare]

Hmm, interesting

Same for m+ or?

[burnt star]

Mfd has always been best for m+

[arctic hare]

Oh, right, ep mfd, kinda forgot

[burnt star]

The pin explain how to use mfd in raid

[arctic hare]

Ahh, okay, I’ll have to look over that more into detail after school I suppose, that is, after simming whether or not its better rn

[burnt star]

Its kinda simple anyways

Just breaking the habit

[gusty mirage]

It should be in today’s nightly build so you can also check to see how the bot’s handling the opener and usage after the opener

[burnt star]

They are in

[rocky pecan]

It's on weekly build tho actually

[gusty mirage]

Neat

I’ll stick to EP/Vigor out of sheer laziness

[rocky pecan]

With obe it's +111 in st for me oxi

[arctic hare]

lol, nice

[gusty mirage]

I’ll probably mess around with it a bit

But tbh I hate changing because my brain short circuits

Maybe save it for the heroic sale and stick to business as usual during prog

[arctic hare]

lol

Indeed

OH

I get how to do it now

It makes me so I don’t have to use another global to get combo points up so I can evenom mut envenom, i like this change actually

[heavy vessel]

Ran my warrior thru torg last night "Wait, there are multiple powers that allow me to get 100% uptime on %100 parry and damage reduction... where's that on my rogue?! "

[rocky pecan]

Called frost set

[fallen arch]

Same

[spice spire]

Gaming

[normal mist]

How bad for PvE is a 235 rogue in pvp gear with 16% haste and 33% vers?
It was all fun doing pvp but I kinda wanna do some m+ now and have no idea where to start at (like doing between +5/+10 or higher or even lower).
Besides that, altought I'm playing venthyr I'm highly inclined to move Necro after the patch launches. Is assa Necro any better or just the same as venthyr? (Necro for pvp Is amazing, other that that I only know that s.b.s gives me a bonus 5% on my doomblade but I have no idea If doomblade is used in m+.
Thanks for your time if you answer!

[spice spire]

Lot to unpack here.
So vers isn’t an ideal stat but is fine. Right now you really want crit, even at the m+ level. Vers is a fine stat for m+ and stat wise you’re fine. Necro is slightly worse than venthyr, but about equal in m+. As a bonespike user myself; I enjoy it. As for the legendary question. If you went necro/sin gaming in m+ the only dungeon Doomblade is viable in is top. Outside of that you’d like zoldycks

I hope that answers it all if not please make sure I address a question

Tl;dr, stats are whatever, try to up your crit though. Necro and venthyr both good, choose preference. Legendaries recommended for NL M+ is Zoldyck’s, Doomblade has niche uses for top

[normal mist]

Yeah you pretty much answered everything!

• CRIT - VERS + HASTE,
  Zoldyck still in legs or?

[arctic hare]

Legs, yes

[spice spire]

Uh haste isn’t the end all be all, especially in an m+ environment where you’re constantly overcapping. Outside of crit you want a nice mixture of stats not super balanced, but as usual just worth the simming of it
And yes Zoldyck is legs!

But you definitely want + crit

[arctic hare]

Yeah, once you start putting up bleeds, you really start to feel the true speed of sin

Its actually why I enjoy it in aoe, unless i mess up, thats never fun

Ofc, ST will always be sin for me, I don’t like outlaw enough to do it in an ST setting

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[normal mist]

At what m+ level do I get 239 drops? I managed to get all my gear to rival (I miss like 4 items duo to conquest cap) so I don't think it would be worth dropping a lot of ilvl to get good stats

[lavish lichen]

End of dungeon is only 236

[arctic hare]

Yeah, max end of dungeon is 236

[spice spire]

Yep, 236 drops at 15s. You can upgrade them past to 246 once you obtain a certain amount of m+ score

[arctic hare]

Yup, 2000 to be precise

[spice spire]

239 and 242 is 1700 iirc
And 246 is 2k

[arctic hare]

For the 246 upgrade that is

You can do 239 at 1400

I am LITERALLY 3 io away from being able to get up to 242

[spice spire]

Oh nice!

[lavish lichen]

Ez then

This is a good week

[arctic hare]

Yeah

I keep forgetting, what even are the affixes?

[spice spire]

Back to the first set right?

[lavish lichen]

Yes first week

Storming bursting iirc

Fort

[spice spire]

Yep

Banger week

[arctic hare]

Bursting? Ehh, kinda ew

But storming? Pffffft

I thought it might be volcanic?

[spice spire]

That’s the following

Tyrannical raging volcanic

[lavish lichen]

Burst is easy asf

[subtle tundra]

storming does nothing

[spice spire]

Yeah they made bursting kinda free

[lavish lichen]

Get a priest and ezpz

Plus as a rogue

You have cloak

Which is basically no bursting every 2 packs

[subtle tundra]

• cloaked in the shadows conduit

mega shield after each pack insta

[lavish lichen]

Its not instant

[arctic hare]

Hmm, dmart

[lavish lichen]

But yes

[arctic hare]

Smart*

[spice spire]

I don’t think he was being literal 😛

[arctic hare]

I can’t wait, imma push like CRAZY

[lavish lichen]

Well its relevant because vanish != stealth

[spice spire]

Yeah cloak + if you have a priest or even a Paladin to just heal through

[arctic hare]

Plus I’m doing heroic sod for the first time

[subtle tundra]

well even if you dont get all ticks of damage, its still insane value

[arctic hare]

So even better gear tonight hopefully

[subtle tundra]

for sure i drop sylvanas dagger tonight

i swap to necro, and push

[spice spire]

Good luck papi you got this

[subtle tundra]

fking nobody invites me to pf/top cause im not necro

[lavish lichen]

We all get dagger tn

[subtle tundra]

no no

[lavish lichen]

I get invited to those all the time

Weird

[subtle tundra]

i drop 1 from sylvanas tonight

[lavish lichen]

I’m kyr

[subtle tundra]

and get another from weekly tomorrow

well not that many 23/24s of those to sign for

[north basin]

can spear crit btw? in m+

i have 48% crit and like 4 spears didnt crit xD in 2 dungs

[normal mist]

Hmmm that means I really need to lose ilevel to gain some good stats, besides having to farm Io, dang it xD

[winged kindle]

They removed the ability for the NW weapons to crit afaik

[north basin]

i heard they removed 100% crit from MA but crit at all too?XD

[arctic hare]

Nah, just do your 15’s, maybe some heroic sod if you’re interested in that sort of stuff

Start lowish though, better to get used to affixes first tho

[winged kindle]

They no longer scale with personal damage amplifiers as well. They just do a flat damage.

[spice spire]

It cannot

[normal mist]

I couldn't bother doing all 15 in s1, got like 1.1k Io, I'm kinda used to the affixes, the problem is being a dps that only pugs

What's this season new affix?

[spice spire]

Tormented

[arctic hare]

Its not super difficult, kinda fun too

[spice spire]

4 lieutenants scattered throughout dungeon, each drops a Torghast-Esque buff

Preset every time

[arctic hare]

Indeed

[spice spire]

It’s a nice mechanic

[arctic hare]

Adds a viable buff to dmg, or dmg reduction, shields, etc.

[normal mist]

Oof I can see amazing buffs rolling

[arctic hare]

Dagger of necrotic wounding is especially op in single target

Volcanic plumage is good for interuptting constantly

Champions brand will increase your highest stat iirc

The stone ward is possibly one of the strongest shields

That one is a great one to have btw

[normal mist]

Indeed, if you don't take damage, the healer can dps more

[north basin]

about champion brand. is it boosting aoe /solo deeps significantly? or better just axe or bolstering

for overall

[arctic hare]

Champions brand is a straight stat increase, so I’d think that its increasing both st and aoe

[spice spire]

Extra crit is good

[arctic hare]

I go from 39% to 44% with it

[spice spire]

It’s recommended if you have a good healer

[north basin]

iam at 47-48% crit in dung. so dunno if its worrth it

[arctic hare]

Get a second one and i go up to like, 50%

[normal mist]

I have 13% :)))))))) fk me

[strange python]

Kinda fucking hate being on a roster big enough that each melee is only in on sylv every 2/3 weeks

[hollow river]

That’s pretty big lol

[strange python]

9 melee

[gusty mirage]

Bolster is solid on explosives weeks because they give you stacks. Axe is good on high tyran

[hollow river]

Oh that’s not bad at all

[gusty mirage]

While brand is just good all around

[hollow river]

You can run 5-8 melee pretty easily this raid

[strange python]

Doesnt mean they wanna for sales

[hollow river]

True

[north basin]

iam picking bolstering this week coz heard here its good, but it cant be simmed right? to know real winner

[spice spire]

Bolstering works better when explosive or spiteful is an affix, as they proc it as well. It can definitely be good if you pull@multiple packs constantly though

[strange python]

Guild hopping for smaller melee roster starting to sound appealing

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cuSUxn1TNLxUxFBdLsE7xh

flag simming worse than dashing

maybe my stats are fucked

[languid frigate]

I think that's correct, dashing is the go to legendary currently.

[ebon notch]

with mfd change obed is supposed to gain a lot of value

im resimming with some other haste options and we see how it does

[spice spire]

Was it implemented in the weekly? I thought it was just nightly

[ebon notch]

that sim was nightly

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jQtL7W1s2qUkb5GGxYwbVy

Mfd higher for me chief

It said weekly when I copied it over

[ebon notch]

thats my sim but with windfury on no?

https://i.imgur.com/LGG9RTF.png

says nightly

[spice spire]

Hmmm:
And unsure only changed weekly - nightly

[ebon notch]

compare the two sims, the only diff is the windfury

mfd is higher on my sim also, its just obed thats worse

[spice spire]

Oh duh

[ebon notch]

dashing mfd is higher than vigor dashing

[spice spire]

It’s early

[ebon notch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Q2MZdKgAtvg4BhwZoRWjR

same sim but with windfury on

[spice spire]

Interesting

[visual prairie]

on this log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9nXpVJZ2dRNfjGv6#fight=2&type=casts&source=11&view=timeline how do they cast MFD again at 38 seconds?

does the eye phasing reset MFD?

[ebon notch]

mfd is a 30 second cd

they cast it at 8 seconds

and then again at 38 seconds

[visual prairie]

oh, i thought it was 1 min for some reason

[balmy condor]

Only for outlaw

Cause they got bullshit

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor what were your predicted gains for mfd obed?

[balmy condor]

Let’s see

[spice spire]

I wonder if the mechagnome racial was enough to push obedience? Ig they’re pushing for full stacks and that’s the gain, and if it’s not attainable it’s a loss over dashing

That’s legit all I can think of here

[balmy condor]

1.5

[ebon notch]

hmm

idk why its a 70 dps loss then

even when i try stacking more haste its still a loss

[gusty mirage]

this doesn't concern you boner boy

[balmy condor]

Happens

[spice spire]

Now I’m legit curious

Is all

[ebon notch]

must be that 50 haste im missing on the leggo

[spice spire]

Haste diff

[gusty mirage]

[odd heath]

Why are u simming theotar?

And not nadjia

[ebon notch]

sims higher for me currently with the teas

reset is tomorrow so dont have empowered conduit

[rocky pecan]

Someone tried this morning with Theo mfd and he loose vs nadja mfd

[spice spire]

Nadjia sims less for him

[rocky pecan]

Really?

[spice spire]

Yes

[ebon notch]

i assume you give up dauntless duelist for the empowered potency conduit from reset right?

[spice spire]

I double checked it all, not that it means anything

[rocky pecan]

I didn't dapsman

[spice spire]

But he’s 100%! Correct

[visual prairie]

theo is 4 dps higher for me

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[gusty mirage]

this is my favorite autocorrect ever

[spice spire]

100%!

Fuck

[gusty mirage]

lmfaooooooooooo

[ebon notch]

and nadjia still simmed higher?

[ebon notch]

the sim doesnt include the gains from tea right?

[balmy condor]

it does

would be stupid if you simmed theotar and it didn't sim tea

[ebon notch]

true

i thought the profile set advanced sim you had to do was because it didnt sim it inherently

[balmy condor]

what profile set advanced sim

[ebon notch]

profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"

or was this just to demonstrate the gains?

[pale plank]

Are the server up yet?

[balmy condor]

that forces a single tea

to show the difference between them

[ebon notch]

i see, cheers

[balmy condor]

yes

[pale plank]

Uff let me turn on my PC then

Dagger please

[spice spire]

[pale plank]

F

[keen aurora]

rip

[rocky pecan]

😢

[spice spire]

Soon brethren

[odd heath]

I can only open my vault in 6 hrs, at work right now s.s

3 mythic slots

[strange python]

No dag in vault, no sylv this week. Fml

[rocky pecan]

Extending so only hc slots on vault :(

[quasi scroll]

if I already have 2x 252 daggers is there any reason not to set lootspec to Outlaw?

[rocky pecan]

Sylv dagger? If upgrade for you if not idk not sure

[keen aurora]

Sim for yourself but pretty sure 246 edge of night usually does better than 252 dagger for OH

[rocky pecan]

It does normally y

[quasi scroll]

ah we are noobs and only 9/10

h

[keen aurora]

Ah, then nope, go outlaw and fish for the painsmith fist weap

[strange python]

Fuck. Join worse raid with smaller team for more sylvs, or stay put and rotate out for raid size

[fallen arch]

Never join worse

You’ll probably regret

[ebon notch]

you can pug sylvanas tho no?

[fallen arch]

Hve you done that?

[ebon notch]

even non curve runs on sylvanas can kill her if you're patient enough

[fallen arch]

It’s super rough to pug that hc

[strange python]

There are no pug mythic sylvs lmao

[fallen arch]

Eh

[ebon notch]

oh i thought you meant 9/10 hc

[fallen arch]

Then what are you talking about?

[strange python]

Me?

[fallen arch]

Rotate out for raid size?

[strange python]

Our roster is 29 people, 10 melee now (forgot a dh)

[fallen arch]

I took that as flex, hence hc

[strange python]

We shift around who's in on sylv because we have so many

[fallen arch]

Must be nice

Our roster is like, 17 now

[strange python]

I'm thinking I'd rather join a worse guild that would bring me every week

[fallen arch]

Kekw

[strange python]

Because sitting out and losing shots at dagger feels atrocious

[fallen arch]

If they consistently kill her I’d say yes

[pale plank]

It isn’t hard to pug H sylv u need patience and luck

[ebon notch]

how tf you kill mythic sylvanas without a consistent comp?

[fallen arch]

That makes it hard in my book

[pale plank]

Lmao!

[ebon notch]

you cant keep rotating people out and expect to kill it

[fallen arch]

Its a coin flip whether you kill her or not

[strange python]

She's been on farm for 5 weeks

Not a hard boss

[ebon notch]

nvm bro i cba i have no idea what you're talking about

i thought you hadnt even killed it yet

[sudden canyon]

absolutely fucking scuffed

PoS game

[strange python]

Losing HoF for dagger chances though...

[pale plank]

Try to look for smaller groups with AOTC only u get a better chance

[strange python]

I'm not talking about heroic lol what

[spice spire]

GG go next

[fallen arch]

Think he was replying to me

[strange python]

Oh

[pale plank]

This was mine, no daggers at least the neck is an upgrade plus socket

[spice spire]

We take upgrades

[fallen arch]

We’re trying to have 2 conversations here

[sudden canyon]

im still looking for a phial too

[strange python]

Tru

[sudden canyon]

not even that

[slim pebble]

Ladies and gentleman… we got em

[fallen arch]

Gz

[pale plank]

[dawn ivy]

didnt even look at the other choices. i think the second option was eye trinket

[fallen arch]

It happens bro, stay strong. Better luck next week

[pale plank]

@sudden canyon try M+0 u have a better chance, and only need to waste some more valor to get it upgraded

[sudden canyon]

of my 10 +15s id say 7 of them were PF

[strange python]

Don't hold out hope for a 252 phial. You have a better chance to go all tier not getting it than you do to get it. If you're after 246 just farm it

I did 36 plaguefalls for my phial week three. Hate that place

[spice spire]

31 is the magic number

[strange python]

Had to pay someone a token for it too

[fallen arch]

You can always pay for runs

[normal slate]

I finally got my first 252 weapon after 3 chest weekly since beginning of Tier . I ran one 15 this week [gone cause wedding], go figure.

Game favors casuals

[quiet flower]

what addon shows the %?

[strange python]

I've gotten four 252 daggers from vault this tier

Wtf

[normal slate]

yea it was the first weapon i saw, if i didnt get 2100 2nd week of season i would of been screwed

[dawn ivy]

@quiet flower informed tooltips im pretty sure

VERY helpful for understanding secondaries

[quiet flower]

thanks

and gz on ring

[sudden canyon]

just finished simming highest upgrade was 0.3%

[burnt star]

another week

another "no 252 weapon or sylv dagger"

thinking ill finish the tier with a 246 equipped

[dull cloak]

my alt druid got it in under 5 runs keke

[sudden canyon]

Storming AND tormented this week

this game fucking hates melee

that sounds aids lol

[lean coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/foiasoX95RemYkb7oGA2Rr

so dashing is only 5 dps loss with mfd

[bleak sun]

That sound like izy 25

[slow marsh]

weird dashing mfd is actually better for me by a bit

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a5TVjQSh381zcrR8BnEgK1

[lean coral]

you play theo?

[slow marsh]

yep

[lean coral]

did i miss something

[slow marsh]

not really, they are kinda close

but if you reroll party favors to crit or haste theo is > nadjia

[frosty cedar]

dashing is better for me with theo, obedience is better for me with nadja

with the MFD 😛

[slow marsh]

ahhh that makes sense

i didn't think to check including soulbinds

[lean coral]

5 DPS diff for me

between legos as nadjia

[frosty cedar]

and nadja + mfd + obedience is the best out of those for me

any knowers on how to sim different theotar teas? think it used to be a pin but cant find it

[lean coral]

nadjia mfd dashing for me

weird

[slow marsh]

im rerunning with nadjia and agi pots cuz i missed that too

[frosty cedar]

here is my nadja obedience https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pjvoiNbeHVdydCY3EaxsdP
and second place, theotar dashing https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fwYpPZ4hP6fKvrwRmETAXE

[exotic pulsar]

I've been getting to max -1 combo points then vanish envenom mut envenom but it seems like its worded like I should vanish and mut envenom mut. Am I doing this wrong?

[spice spire]

Different results

[balmy condor]

I hope your vaults are fat brothers the venthyr mfd change (optimization in usage) is now in sims.
Here are the changes:

1. Do not prepull mfd into slice (Opener after the normal stealth stuff would be shiv->vanish->mut->envenom like normal, then mfd->envenom for the last second of ma)
2. Hold mfd for up to 15 seconds for flag

This is a gain for venthyr versus ep/vig. Bs/ds is still better single target. Obedience gains more from this, but you’ll probably see dashing ahead unless you play nadjia. Obedience prefers a bit more haste that what we were running before.

Don’t ask what haste or what crit or what ilvl it wants/needs. Just sim yourself. It wants more. Just more. Im tired of this question, and any such questions will link back to this.

[balmy condor]

Basically the same thing, but if you play with mfd it’s definitely worse

[spice spire]

Good pin whispyr

Based shadowblade

[ebon notch]

whispyr doing the lords work

[frosty cedar]

mfd based gameplay

[spice spire]

I guess that’s the difference from before, daps.

Now you need moar haste

But also more crit

[ebon notch]

i mean i tried simming it with more

and it just still wasnt a fan

[spice spire]

With nadjia still not enough?

F.

[ebon notch]

nadjia wasnt an increase either

maybe on reset smth will change i have no idea why it would but

[spice spire]

Cursed gear

[balmy condor]

Happens

Obed swapped with dashing for me on my profile with rank 5 frost

Probably a vers thing as well tbh

[spice spire]

[arctic walrus]

[spice spire]

What about mastery

Can I @ oshosi yet?

[balmy condor]

He retired

[spice spire]

He popped in when 9.1.5 was announced lmao

[kindred rapids]

yeah, dashing is still better for me w/ mfd

by like 30 dps

[arctic walrus]

yes you will need to recraft obe with haste/crit for it to be a gain

[kindred rapids]

sadge

[brazen zodiac]

i hope u all get good stuff

[arctic walrus]

workable numbers

[arctic walrus]

xd

[spice spire]

Huge

Only -200 for MP

Let’s go

[delicate berry]

Did something recently change that I missed...just popped in and seeing a lot of MFD talk

[hollow river]

[frosty cedar]

yeah mfdeez nuts

[delicate berry]

i mean sure if you want to loose them

[frosty cedar]

check pin 😛

[slow marsh]

yeah my current setup is actually better even with nadjia

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uNAneUWuK1BcWeh7DBmJCZ

[spice spire]

Can’t believe I witnessed a murder live

[spice spire]

That’s tilting lmfao

1 dps short of 11k

[brazen zodiac]

yeah yeah im coping

[delicate berry]

i actually did first...but not sure what "the change" is

[frosty cedar]

no change, just optimisations on the sim

MFD was always better

[delicate berry]

gotcha

[slow marsh]

i mean i can probs sim again and it'll be 11k lol variance

[hollow river]

Better for Venthyr

[frosty cedar]

oh yeah forgot some people dont play venthyr

[brazen zodiac]

hm

it worked

tell myself i wont get shit

get something relatively ok

[spice spire]

Bis ring

[potent dagger]

what is happening with MFD ? oO

[balmy condor]

It got optimized in sims

[potent dagger]

Ok so sims are just more relevant then

[ebon notch]

was still a dps downgrade compared to crit/vers

[potent dagger]

thanks for the info bro @balmy condor

[pale plank]

need some clarification, does it heal you only when u activate SnD or will pop randomly as long as u have SnD active?

[dawn ivy]

its just when you have SnD up

[balmy condor]

Recup

Oh no

[sudden canyon]

is this week nadjia 3rd potency upgrade?

[balmy condor]

It should heal as long as you have snd

But it just always heals

[kindred rapids]

If you know you'll need to hold mfd for flag I suppose there might be situations where you hold it for shiv

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s a fucking buggy nightmare

If shiv is ready, you would mfd during it

But you don’t hold it

[kindred rapids]

I mean, if mfd is up, shiv is up in 10s and flag is up in 40s, wouldn't be better to hold mfd for shiv so you don't have to hold for flag on the next cd?

[slow marsh]

you are holding even longer if you do that

just mfd and then you mfd during flag

[balmy condor]

Shiv isn’t ready so you wouldn’t hold

[slow marsh]

the only thing you hold mfd for is flag in 15

[ebon notch]

but arent you holding 10s to line it up with flag anyway

surely delaying it 10s for shiv

and then insta using again during flag

is better

[kindred rapids]

yeah that's the point

you end up holding 10s either way

so why not line it up with shiv

[balmy condor]

Sure

[slow marsh]

am i trippin or mfd on 45s cd

[kindred rapids]

probably not worth worrying about, but should be better

[balmy condor]

It will be like 5-10 dps better

Go for it

[ebon notch]

30s

[kindred rapids]

heh

[ebon notch]

hard tripping

[ebon notch]

minmaxing

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t suggest it still

[ebon notch]

what if you get like a phatty 20k envenom in that shiv window

[slow marsh]

why does mfd cd have to be different between specs. so dumb

[balmy condor]

It’s 30 seconds for sub/sin and 1 min for outlaw

Because outlaw has restless blades

That’s it

[quaint carbon]

We assassin, not pirates

[slow marsh]

well that's what i get for playing the dirty spec i guess

[ebon notch]

outlaw is long armed pirate wdym

[slow marsh]

ok well then i guess i can understand why you guys would want to hold for shiv

[cerulean raft]

do i read that right that for single target its still dashing with bs/ds?

[ebon notch]

pure ST yes

[balmy condor]

That’s what it says

[cerulean raft]

what makes the difference for fights with adds? just the energy regen with multi dotting or do i need to mfd on dying stuff to make it better?

[balmy condor]

We play ep mfd on every fight except guardian atm because there’s adds

And the moment there’s adds and you can multi dot, bs/ds is worse

Before, we played ep/vig

But mfd was being underused

So with the sim fix, now ep/mfd is strictly better

[cerulean raft]

gotcha

[arctic hare]

Interesting

[sharp stump]

Hey all, I'm having some problem simming my great vault rewards. I've got the heroic Remnant hat and the Heroic Painsmith hat popped up in my vault, which droptimiser says is a 55 DPS increase. But when I topgear compare the 2 it's basically a 300 DPS decrease. Does anyone know why that would be the case? I'm guessing something funky is up but I just can't tell.

Droptimiser:https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9zZM1y5jUMAAWYX23ncKH8
Top gear: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9VYF1WX23gRreKjUnQV7Pz

[slow marsh]

shard

[balmy condor]

^

[sharp stump]

I have them selected, any reason why they're not simming the shard properly?

Or do I need replace gem on or something

[balmy condor]

Select your dom shards and hit “replace gems/enchants” or it won’t compare them

[sharp stump]

Ah legend, cheers

[balmy condor]

Should always just have replace gem on imo

[wide ridge]

would opener be any different on the nine with mfd?

[balmy condor]

No

Think of mfd as a mutilate

[cerulean nest]

that moment when you're purposefully sitting out mythic bosses because getting three heroic vault slots for dagger is better

[wide ridge]

also on the nine, do you wait 6s to garrote the other valkyr before popping vend?

[slow marsh]

if anything mfd would reinforce the optimal opener on the nine

dont dot 2nd boss until after shiv

[cerulean nest]

so literally the full opener before even touching second boss?

[ebon notch]

i usually

[slow marsh]

yeah when shiv drops then garrote rup 2nd

[balmy condor]

You can garrote the second one on cooldown

That’s fine

Just gotta swap back right after

[slow marsh]

oh yeah gar in shiv is fine

but dont rup during shiv

[ebon notch]

mut>snd>mut>garrote>rupture 2nd target>mut>flag>rupture(main) then do normal

[cerulean nest]

i dotted both up before vendetta/shiv and got a 95 parse or something. guess i'll try it

[ebon notch]

so you do normal opener on main target but rupture the off target before you flag rupture main

essentially

[lavish lichen]

Your opener means a lot less than you think for your parse

[slow marsh]

yea optimal is not doing any of that

[cerulean nest]

I guess so

[balmy condor]

Opener means a lot less than people think in general tbh

[ebon notch]

thats the best opener i got from looking at logs

[balmy condor]

People act like an early rupture is gonna hurt them 10%

[cerulean nest]

but when you hit it perfectly your testosterone increases greatly

which probably helps in the longrun

[safe rover]

this tbh

[lavish lichen]

Yea I agree with that it does set the tone

[exotic pulsar]

Should we hold flag for vanish now with MFD or do we still just line up every other one

[potent dagger]

i would do : mut snd mut garrote flag rupture vendeta mfd shiv vanish env mut env mut

[cerulean nest]

mfd before shiv?

[slow marsh]

what does flag have to do with vanish though

[exotic pulsar]

lining up more finisher damage during the crit window

[slow marsh]

and you can mfd before shiv or after it doesn't really matter

[potent dagger]

more cp generated and consumed means more stack of flag

[slow marsh]

but why would you hold flag for 30s

[ebon notch]

no you want to use mfd in opener during MA window to guarantee a second envenom during it

so do normal opener but after first envenom in MA window you insta mfd envenom

[slow marsh]

then just mfd on cd unless flag is in 15

[ebon notch]

after that you use mfd on cooldown (assuming there arent any adds to reset on)

if there are adds to reset on multiple times then go crazy

as long as you have it back up for flag

[cerulean nest]

now I have to find a whole new keybind for mfd

great

[potent dagger]

remplace ambush XD

[cerulean nest]

actual facts

[ebon notch]

you need ambush for BS/DS

[potent dagger]

since it's rarely used XD

and you BS on one single fight ^^

[ebon notch]

#showtooltip Marked for Death
/use [@mouseover, exists] Marked for Death
/cast Marked for Death

here

[cerulean nest]

yeah ill just put it back for guardian lol

[ebon notch]

this is your friend

[cerulean nest]

i dont use mouseovers for anything

theyre suss

[gusty mirage]

did you ever play necro?

[dawn ivy]

they can be difficult to get used to

[cerulean nest]

yeah just speed tab targeted lol

[gusty mirage]

god bless you lmao

[spice spire]

Only reason mouseovers would be sus is if you’re mousing is sus

[dawn ivy]

tbf i did the same thing with necro

[cerulean nest]

my mousing might be sus

[spice spire]

I don’t use mouseovers for damage

Only healing

Problem?

[gusty mirage]

I've accidently spiked another pack in a dungeon doing the tab target thing

[spice spire]

Just don’t?

[dawn ivy]

ive never done that before haha

[cerulean nest]

same but who cares

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire IO check?

[cerulean nest]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

🙂

[spice spire]

2191

[potent dagger]

@cerulean nest use that
#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast [talent:3/3] Marked for Death; [talent:3/2] Ambush; [talent:3/1] Ambush

[spice spire]

Sin IO check tho

Unethical sub gamer in sim chat

[potent dagger]

same bind and voila

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

season 1 IO check?

[cerulean nest]

😘

[spice spire]

Actually have to pull it up smh

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

i'm with oxi can i use s1 as my sin io check

[gusty mirage]

yes you can

[spice spire]

256

[gusty mirage]

this guy just learned what m+ was this season

[spice spire]

2056*

[gusty mirage]

flexing that he has 100 more IO than me as sin even though I've ran like 4 dungeons as sin in the last 2 months

[spice spire]

I’m carrying monkies wdym

That’s like a +600 io alone

[gusty mirage]

I'm an actual ape wdym

[spice spire]

You can do heroic Sylvanas mechanics can’t you?

They can’t

[gusty mirage]

define do the mechanics

[spice spire]

Not die

[gusty mirage]

you mean hit people with veil in p3 because I wanna parse?

then yes, I can do them

[spice spire]

Actual p1 deaths

[gusty mirage]

don't judge people

[ebon notch]

which

[gusty mirage]

smh

[ebon notch]

that reminds me i cant wait to watch kirbyau today

[spice spire]

Yes

That’s to say

[ebon notch]

fug

[spice spire]

Name one

I saw a rive death 56 pulls in last night

[ebon notch]

what

[gusty mirage]

just bring my monk

how many times do I have to tell you

stop discriminating against oxibrew

[fallen arch]

Toxibrew

[slow marsh]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

[potent dagger]

@cerulean nest edited the macro , have fun 😉

[slow marsh]

i need to level my monk i think

[spice spire]

I’m also lowkey leveling a monk

[fallen arch]

I see so few monks in the game I feel

[gusty mirage]

he just doesn't wanna get out DPS'd by my 233 monk

that's all it is

[fallen arch]

Even tho it’s the most broken class rn

[spice spire]

It rhymes with oxibrew too

[spice spire]

No shot LMAO

[fallen arch]

Quakibrew

[gusty mirage]

Iwishiwasoxibrew

[spice spire]

Nah quaketwo

[cerulean nest]

ty ty

[fallen arch]

Makeitcranekick

[gusty mirage]

one of these days @spice spire is going to find me and beat me

[spice spire]

MakeitUncapped

[gusty mirage]

and all I can hope is that he records it and posts it in #off-topic

[spice spire]

100%

[cerulean nest]

how does no vigor + MFD feel? pretty sluggish?

inb4 "it's a slow class deal with it"

[uneven hamlet]

feels like bs/deep

[dawn ivy]

id say its even slower

no free cp from bs

[rocky pecan]

Don't play monk guys:(

[gusty mirage]

Does it give you enough time to grab a snack from the kitchen while you wait for energy regen for that first rupture?

[rocky pecan]

It feel hottible to deal aoe dmg

[fallen arch]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

perfect, found my new build

[uneven hamlet]

I also have a feeling that mfd build also has small room for errors cause no high energy

[rocky pecan]

If you continue to try you will be used for sure

[brazen zodiac]

@ebon notch hia

i hope u got somethingood!

[ebon notch]

im EU

so tomorrow we see

[brazen zodiac]

o right

[visual prairie]

surely there's a build that's even slower that with some apl tweaks can move to the top

my apm is still over 30

need it to be like one of those idle dopamine drip games you just check on once an hour to see how big the numbers are.

[ebon notch]

a frost set focused build where you just ramp up every 20s

but smack the boss for 200k

venthyr boomie lite

[dawn ivy]

sharpened blades uldir

those were the days

think we would crit for like??? 40kish

[grand ridge]

Did you feel bad for the other dps or something?

[hollow river]

LOL

Note to self: never raid with oxi

[sudden canyon]

my sin still 900 dps behind sub

[cerulean nest]

mine went a bit ahead with r5 frost

took awhile

[wind totem]

Obedience gains more from this, but you’ll probably see dashing ahead unless you play nadjia.
Did I miss something? Is EP/Vigor dashing better with triple potency theotar?

[hollow river]

What?

[ebon notch]

idk where you came up with that

but mfd is better for both

obed gains more if you play nadjia

[wind totem]

Thats how I read the pin.

Maybe im reading it wrwong

[cerulean nest]

still 20dps behind dashing with mfd for me

[ebon notch]

its like 80 behind for me i have no idea why

need to do a haste heavy setup i guess

[hollow river]

It’s talking about 2 different legendaries and mfd

[cerulean nest]

gonna sim again with more haste stuff checked

lets see

[ebon notch]

i tried already and with all haste enchants

didnt like it

[brazen zodiac]

its tellin me i need all haste gems now

feelsbad

[slow marsh]

mine still wants full crit

[slow marsh]

dashing is better with trip pot theo for people like me

[cerulean nest]

yeah nah

full crit

whatever, easier for me

[burnt star]

The way its worded it can be confusing i agree.. im just simming both nadja and theo tripple potency with mfd vigor and obe/dashing and pick whatever is ahead

Playing mfd in raid is kinda good tbh. Lots of refresh. Its definitvly more ahead then what sims tells u

[dawn ivy]

im still confused how crit/vers obedience is like 30-40 dps lower than crit/haste obedience

[wintry mica]

at least for me triple pot theo is only ahead if you have crit tea, so its something to watch out for if your nadjia/theo are simming really close

[hollow river]

That’s kinda always how it’s been?

[burnt star]

Why? We want more haste

[frosty cedar]

cause haste is a big blast

[dawn ivy]

no i fully understand that

[burnt star]

?

[dawn ivy]

but 30-40 dps is massive

[burnt star]

Not really massive

[hollow river]

Nah

[north basin]

for me theo was better than nadja for 50-60 dps afaik

[hollow river]

Not for the stats on leggo. Usually 20-40

Afaik

[dawn ivy]

for swapping equivalent amounts of secondaries around, thats just surprising

[burnt star]

30 40 of 10k is 0.3%

Aka. Nothing

Well ur maybe lacking haste

[dawn ivy]

yeah im not talking in those terms

idc about 30-40 dps

[hollow river]

My sims tell me to use basically nothing but crit/haste gear

[burnt star]

Point given is its not surprising because its a low number and a lack of x stat could lead to it giving a higher number in exange to another stat

[wintry mica]

haste is also better for obe than it was for dashing, so it makes sense

[burnt star]

Yep. Obe like haste

[dawn ivy]

versatility also just nose dives

its barely better than mastery

jesus

[burnt star]

Yep. Jesus

9.1.5 is not soon enough

[wintry mica]

9.2 not soon enough

[dawn ivy]

im afraid that wont let us escape mfd and obedience

unless we get some fuckin WICKED talent changes

[hollow river]

[wintry mica]

we wont run MFD when we all swap night fae

[topaz sparrow]

all i ask for blizz

[wintry mica]

how long has mfd been 30sec cd?

[dawn ivy]

for sin, quite awhile

[wintry mica]

yea never really ran it so assumed it was 1m still

[sudden canyon]

i simmed r5 frost, and its only ~150dps ahead of my r5 blood

[slow marsh]

only

[sudden canyon]

only

[hollow river]

[sudden canyon]

another 6 week grind

for 150 dps

yikes

[hollow river]

That’s gap gets bigger with optimized gear too afaik

I’ve been farming embers for blood

[sudden canyon]

i started late just got r5 last week

[balmy condor]

frost is 1000 ahead of blood on venthyr with optimized gear

[hollow river]

Ouch

[balmy condor]

btw

[hollow river]

^

[wintry mica]

yea I just ran one and even with my shit gear its 500 dps difference lol

[sudden canyon]

i was expecting more tbh

[balmy condor]

[wintry mica]

more than 10% dps?

[sudden canyon]

more than 150 dps

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

I have to rerun sims

[hollow river]

Scriptures leaked

Hide them

[balmy condor]

"leaked"

[slow marsh]

scriptures leaked

[balmy condor]

public spreadsheet btw

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

even though they've been public forever

[hollow river]

I know that

[wintry mica]

arent they even pinned lol

[slow marsh]

and in pins

[hollow river]

Issa joke ❤️

[balmy condor]

in faq yeh

gives me stream content for tomorrow though

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

painsmith dies today for sure

[sudden canyon]

okay i misremembered

[hollow river]

Bro

[sudden canyon]

it was 175

[hollow river]

Tomorrow for us

[stray mural]

Where can I find these public spreadsheets

[vestal wren]

good luck

[hollow river]

[lavish lichen]

Only if yoy play outlaw whispyr

[balmy condor]

24% on thursday

today is the day

[hollow river]

We got 2% Friday

[balmy condor]

maybe thursday since we're going to troll all night long

and then tilt after 25 pulls

[hollow river]

We’re reclearing tonight

[balmy condor]

and then play bad

[clever kindle]

same for my guild

[balmy condor]

we're just full extending atm

[hollow river]

Tomorrow and Thursday nothing but proggers

[balmy condor]

oh you're 3 day?

[hollow river]

Yes

[stray mural]

I’m assuming those numbers are using rank 5

[hollow river]

That’s why we “caught up and “passed” your raid”

[balmy condor]

yes

[clever kindle]

2 day guild gang

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

You started progging before us I believe

[balmy condor]

yeah we do 2 night 4 hour

[clever kindle]

same

[hollow river]

We’re degens 3 day 9 hours

[clever kindle]

then optional third night for heroic clear of KT/sylv which takes 30 mins

one day ill see a dagger from this raid

[stray mural]

Can’t wait to swap from unholy tonight

Going from rank 4 unholy to rank 4 frost big pog

[hollow river]

change your name to red and maybe

I’m getting rank 4 blood before raid rn

Back to work for a few more hrs

[hollow river]

Gl tonight

[sudden canyon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6iMvcXwCF5Xqgv8veW2pci

[spice spire]

It’s in the FAQ

[sudden canyon]

wait just reran

[spice spire]

Hol up

Why you running night stalker king?

[sudden canyon]

oop

i didnt even notice 😭

[spice spire]

Also given low ilvl gonna check the normal EP/Vigor first

[wide ridge]

kt trinket is garbo isnt it

[spice spire]

It’s pretty not great

[rocky pecan]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3QFEsVVzzUN5UiRajvdjYB demn

[sudden canyon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9RVbimpxUszZzctdnT5cfn

ok frost is still only 150 maybe its coz my crit is dookie

also no dashing

[clever kindle]

Dashing is a big part of the frost set since your poison is contributing to it so frequently

[spice spire]

Replaced the 246 Sylvanas ring and got higher

Forgot to make one quick change

And I’ll post juice

[sudden canyon]

i dont sim with windfury coz no blueman in my raid